Sword and Scale - Episode 254

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

In February of 2017, 28-year-old aspiring cosmetologist Shannon Graves went missing. Five months later, a young married couple in Campbell, Ohio had plans to cook dinner at home. When they opened their freezer, they unexpectedly found something that horrified them. They found frozen pieces of Shannon.This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5895676/advertisement

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They tell you how she died? No, but it was pretty obvious. Would you see? Her head was caked in. Hello and welcome to season 10 episode 254 of Sword and Scale, a show that realize that the Android app is completely broken, but we're working on a new one. We've been working on a new one for a while now. It will be out next year as soon as we can.

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that will be going away very very soon So go get it before the holidays we'll get it right now And don't forget to log in and use your discount if you're a plus member Alright, let's try to imagine this. It's midday, you're at home sitting or lying on your couch watching some TV. Maybe you're catching up on a new Netflix show or finding out what the hell to be is. You're kicking back with the TV on, flipping through your phone, searching through social media, looking for something or someone to judge. When suddenly, you feel something.

It's not some sort of spiritual awakening or realization about who you are and your place in the universe. You're just hungry. There's a rumbling in your stomach, and it's creeping up on you. Maybe you're not quite ready to eat just then and there, but you know that pretty soon, you will be. So, you start to think, what should I make for dinner? Then all of a sudden, it hits you. You're in the mood for pasta. That sounds pretty good. It's begetty sounds pretty good right about now. Yeah. So, you'll walk over to your kitchen and you find the things you need. You got your pot,

your strainer, your sauce, your pasta, and you've even found some salad and bread to go along with your meal. Lucky you. But then you think, you know what would make this even better? Meat. Meat makes everything better. Nothing beats a good meat sauce when you're spaghetti, right? So you go check the fridge and damn, nothing there. Not even an old gray packet of ground beef at the back of the freezer that you forgot about it. You're just out. There's nothing in there. But a lot of second. There may be some frozen ground beef down in the freezer that you can thaw. Yeah, that's it. The freezer. So you go downstairs and open the freezer,

but something is weird. There's a strange bag in there. You don't recognize it. It looks like a black trash bag. So you touch it, but it's frozen solid. So, you touch it, but it's frozen solid. You peel it open as best you can, and an overwhelming and awful smell smacks you in the face. You see what's inside the bag, and you can't make sense of it. But you know what you're looking at. And then suddenly, just like that, your appetite is gone. I'll now remind you emergency.

Hi, my name is Kenneth and I need to take a look please. Right away. We need my wife for your son and dad. You're no free. Yes, I'm free. You're a male, is your female? I think it's the female. Just across the western border of Pennsylvania and sitting directly in the middle of Pittsburgh and Cleveland is the moderately sized city of Youngstown, Ohio.

Traditionally Youngstown is known for being a major player in U.S. steel manufacturing, but when the steel industry saw a steep decline in the 1970s, Youngstown and its people were left without a major industry. Since then, the city has struggled to redefine itself and has earned a bad reputation. At one point, it was considered the murder capital of the United States. Today, that title belongs to New Orleans, of course. In any case, if you Peru's message boards about Youngstown, like we did, you'll find that the people living there

mostly agree that Youngstown isn't all that different from any other mid-sized city in America. In Youngstown, there are safe crime-free areas, and there are dangerous areas where crime is known to happen, just like everywhere else. Back in 2017, a 28-year-old woman named Shannon Graves was living in Youngstown. But in June of that year, Shannon's older sister went to her local police department and reported Shannon missing.

The lead investigator that was eventually assigned to this case was detective Sergeant Michael Lambert. She had a grace was a young girl in her 20s who had been living at Youngstown's west side. She had a grace was a struggling hairdresser. She was going through school close to graduation. She had supplemented her income to pay for her education by working as a dancer. She had a sister and a brother and a father who wasn't actually youngstown police detective. Detective Lambert kindly refers to Shannon's chosen profession as dancer, but if we're going

to be real about it, she worked as a stripper, which, hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Shannon was an attractive young woman and she took advantage of her good looks to make living. The problem is that Shannon fell into that line of work just a bit too early. According to her sister, Shannon started stripping at a very young age. How long did you strip? Maybe like 12 years ago that I know maybe before that, I didn't really. She's 1516. How old are you? Shannon Graves was born in November of 1988 after her father cheated on his wife with another woman.

Shannon's dad and her half-sister didn't even know about Shannon's existence until Shannon was six years old, when Shannon's mom revealed to her dad that he was the father. Soon after, Shannon's mom tragically died of cancer while Shannon was still very young. Subsequently, Shannon dropped out of high school and started supporting herself by dancing at a local strip club. Such a sad story we keep hearing in America, repeated over and over again. Despite the struggles that Shannon had to face and the career that she eventually found herself in,

Shannon was a pretty smart and responsible young woman. She didn't abuse drugs, she earned her GED and by age 28 she started looking for ways to support herself that didn't involve taking her clothes off for money. Shannon a while. Well, but I tried. You're working? One's your work. And then it was Easter right after. She wasn't in my aunt's house, which, you know, she didn't show up. It really wasn't a big deal, because sometimes she wouldn't, but most of the time she was there. So I made that excuse in my mind. And then I think it was Father's Day after that. And I'm like, okay, now then something's wrong. In 2017, Shannon missed three family holiday get-togethers in a row. That's when the red flags went up.

Strangely when attempts were made to reach Shannon by phone, she did respond. At least, that's what her dad originally thought. So I can't try to do it the one time in the ring, nobody answered. So I said, this is your death, call me. The chicken call me back, she goes, who is this? As this is your death, Jackass. Yeah. And then that, that was it. So that told my son, texture sister, it's all in the colony.

Did he text that number? Did she text it back? I have no brothers. So that's where I said something's up. So that's where I told him, that the school has been making a misadversist report. After this bizarre phone call and text exchange, Shannon's family realized that one of two things

had to be true. By their Shannon was cutting all ties with her family and she was going about it in a very strange way, or a different woman was using Shannon's cell phone. For police, the latter seemed like the likely scenario. When Shannon was reported missing, detectives at the Youngstown Police Department began focusing their attention on the people that Shannon was close to. And that meant her boyfriend and ex-boyfriend. They learned that before her disappearance, Shannon was engaged to a guy named John Skarada. John was 41 years old.

He owned and operated a small home improvement business that Shannon helped him run. She acted as his bookkeeper and helped John with marketing and keeping with her goal to get out of the stripper business Shannon was hopeful that John's business would take off. In an effort to make that happen, Shannon produced a commercial for John's company that aired locally in Youngstown. And being the performer that she was, Shannon appeared in her own commercial. You're going to be in a new room for years. Unfortunately, John's business never really got off its feet. Because not long after he and Shannon got engaged,

John got arrested. He was also on the side a small time drug trafficker. And as a result of that, had been sent to prison. So when John went to prison, Shannon began dating Arturo while John was away. How did she get involved with Arturo? From what I've learned, this little group she was with, they're a weird little group, but... It's an understatement. Yeah. But it's an understatement. In researching Shannon's life, the police quickly realized that Shannon hung out with a pretty strange cast of characters, almost all of whom used bizarre nicknames or aliases that

had nothing to do with their actual names. Even Shannon was known to sometimes go by her stripper name, which was Star. In any case, after her fiance went to prison, Shannon began dating someone else, 31-year-old Arturo Navoa, who often used the alias Anthony Gonzales. Going forward, you'll notice that some people refer to Arturo as Anthony, and some people call him Arturo. So just remember it's the same guy. Arturo Nava was a young man from the east side of Youngstown. He was a self-proclaimed rapper trying to break into the music world.

He hadn't really had a lot of success. It had a history of small part-time jobs that he had at trouble holding. And at that time, he was unemployed. Unemployed Arturo lived with Shannon in her apartment and largely depended on her for income as he perused his music industry aspirations. As far as his musical talent, well, Artura wasn't necessarily a bad rap artist.

I mean, I'm not a rap expert, but it's not like it's a particularly difficult thing to do to find words that rhyme together. In any case, to the casual untrained ear, it sounds like a lot of his tunes are pretty generic. Let's put it that way. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Shannon's and Arturo's relationship was pretty rocky. They were known to argue a lot, and there were many instances of breaking up and then reuniting. Naturally, when Shannon's family realized that they hadn't heard from Shannon in a while, the first person they reached out to was Arturo. He was after all still living in her car.

That those sound great to me." According to Arturo, Shannon just up and left him, which given their history made sense. What didn't make sense is that Shannon seemingly left all of her belongings behind, including her pit bull Molly. Her relation with her dog. What was that like? People said it looked like her kids. You can't look everywhere. I did everything with that.

I did everything for her. How she would take care of her. Shannon treated Molly like a daughter. For her, nothing was too good for that dog. If Shannon did ditch Arturo and her apartment, there was simply no chance that she wouldn't take her baby with her. Making matters even more suspicious, the police eventually spoke to one of Arturo's closest friends who had helped Arturo burn some of Shannon's belongings. Not looking good. During the investigation, we learned that Arturo Naveau had a friend named Andrew Herman,

who assisted him in burning Shannon's belongings. Several witnesses actually saw this, and when we were able to catch up with Andrew Herman, he did agree to come in and give us a statement. Basically, what he wanted me to do was he wanted me to help him get rid of the last percrap that she left there. Okay, well, documents, clothes, stupid shit like that. I figured he was being spiteful. I kind of helped him burn it.

But now, over the months and everything's going on, she seems to be missing. He told me that she left him. she wasn't staying with him anymore. The elaborate on that. That's really all you really told me should have left him for some other dude. And that was it. According to Andrew, he was just trying to be helpful and trying to console a friend that seemed heartbroken over the fact that his girlfriend left him for another man. But now that Shannon was missing, Andrew had some concerns.

Even so, he seemed on the fence about the idea that Arturo was capable of hurting Shannon, let alone capable of killing her. Killing her I started thinking about that fire. I said, you know what? I've seen too many prime shows This does not look good That and from why you're he still has a dog Yeah, that's what I heard and from when I lived with her That dog was treated better than a freaking toddler like that was her baby. I don't see why he has her dog. I don't see why she would lead it. Yeah, they think everybody thinks he killed, which is a logical jump I guess.

But yeah, if that was the case, I really, I only doubt that. He doesn't seem like the type to do that. Eventually, the police also learned that Arturo wasn't living in Shannon's apartment by himself. He had some roommates. Also, sharing the apartment was a living in Shannon's apartment by himself. He had some roommates. Also sharing the apartment was a young woman that Arturo had dated before he met Shannon. Her name was Katrina Layton.

And when Katrina moved into the apartment with Arturo, she brought along her two young children. Katrina and Arturo had dated each other for several years on and off prior to Shanna's disappearance. All accounts of the relationship between Arturo and Katrina were that the two fought off and there was a tumultuous relationship. In a few instances, Katrina and Shanna actually had physical confrontations because of the love triangle situation.

Naturally, after learning about this love triangle, the police wanted to speak with both Arturo and Katrina. Unfortunately, none of them seemed to be very cooperative, surprise, surprise. And every time the cops went to Shannon's apartment, nobody would answer the door. And it wasn't until we told a vehicle belonging to Katrina that was unlicensed and abandoned on the street in front that Katrina contacted us. So we used that opportunity to interview Katrina. One of the reasons we've been knocking on the door fell there.

Oh, hi. Just because we're looking for Shannon. Oh, yeah, I've heard something about that. I haven't really been following it all too closely all the way that just because I mean, for the simple fact that me and Anthony were together for all seven years. And then, you know, we just needed a break. We split out for a little bit. They were together for a very short period of time. We started talking, we got back together. According to Katrina, she didn't know much about Shannon's disappearance and she freely admitted

that Shannon wasn't her favorite person. Oh, she like, huh. She was trouble in my opinion. Okay. I feel like she just didn't care about other people. She was the type that wanted to be with somebody who had a lot of money, who could take care of her, where she could just kind of live that life, and she could just kind of do what she wanted. And just the type of person she portrays herself as, I don't hang around people like that. I tried to be nice for her because she did live in Clown Tows.

And then she turned around and talked to me. Katrina explained that her understanding was that Shannon left her Turo for another man. And before she did, Arturo and Shannon came to an agreement about the car that Shannon left behind as well as her dog Molly. He basically told them, you know, can you hold the dog for me? You said, yeah, he said, you know,

the sense you're kind of up and leaving, you know, can't use the car just till I get around, so I could get around and try to get some work this and that. So they had some sort of mutual agreement over the car on the dog. For months, both Katrina and Orteiro used Shannon's car to get around. Now if that wasn't suspicious enough, Katrina had also used Shannon's cell phone as her own. I don't think it's any longer on service. That was like one of those minute phones.

It does a bottom of phones. But I mean, I got my phone out, so it's like, I don't, but I was using it like temporarily, something. This girl disappears. Yeah. She leaves behind her dog, which everybody says is her baby. And she leaves his phone.

And Anthony's. Go ahead, I'm sorry. Not a new girl friend. But one girl friend who's not back, because he's not so I'm just kidding. I was using it. Yeah. Yeah, it all looked very weird. And things were only getting weirder. Not only did Katrina use Shannon's car and her cell phone, but someone was also using Shannon's directional card, which is sometimes referred to as a welfare card or a food stamp card. If Shannon left, you think she would leave behind her directional card.

Honestly, I don't know. That's one thing I can't... Would you leave your somewhere at your life line? That's just thing I can't- Would you leave your somewhere at your life line? That's just something really like. You could never use your car, right? No, I've never used it. It could never be. No, it could never be. It could never be.

You've never seen Anthony use your car. I've never seen him use it. Because he ever used it. Not that high. Did he ever mention he's ever used it? Not that I know of, no. Suspiciously after Shannon went missing, every time her directional card was used, Arturo

and Katrina's directional cards were also used at the same location within seconds of Shannon's card being used. Huh. Now I'm not a detective, but see where I'm going with this? Basically, everything about this situation looked bad, but even so, Katrina maintained that Arturo didn't have anything to do with Shannon's disappearance. and see the violence side to him. Because- So you don't believe she's dead, and you don't believe? If she is, then you would have it. If she is, I don't think you'd have anything to do with it. Well, I'm connected with that.

So what do you think I'm afraid of? From what you're saying and from what you're telling me, you're afraid that I can't see anything to it. What Katrina didn't realize, or maybe she did and was simply playing dumb, was that the detectives weren't only considering the possibility that Arturo killed Shannon. Maybe. Just maybe.

If Shannon had been murdered, the killer was sitting in the interview room. Katrina did her best to put the detectives suspicions to bed, but there were too many strange things to ignore. Even so, the cops didn't have a body or any direct evidence of foul play. If they were going to pursue this investigation further, they were going to have to interview Arturo. I mean, that was not a good thing. We would like to talk to Anthony about Prodency. Well, it's really in the, I want to talk about it. And I'll be honest with you. What I'll be. The weirdest things here is that, that,

that, you got to understand, he's not purposely avoiding you guys. It's just with his work schedule. What time does he work? Um, it varies like the weekends. What is guys doing? What time does he work? Um, it varies like the weekends. What is he doing? Dishwashing. You heard that right. With a straight face Katrina explained that our Turo was too busy to meet with police,

to discuss his missing ex girlfriendgirlfriend because Arturo's dishwashing job at Outback Steakhouse was too demanding. To sum up, Katrina was clearly stonewalling the detectives, and I'll tell you something. Detectives don't like to be stonewalled, but it didn't matter because five days after this interview, something unexpected happened In late July of 2017, a married couple in Youngstown's neighboring town of Campbell found dismembered body parts in their basement freezer. A pair of legs, a pair of arms, and part of a human head. Tragically, but perhaps unsurprisingly,

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Youngstown Police Department in Ohio. About a month later in Youngstown's neighboring town of Campbell, a young wife was at home when she started thinking about what to make for dinner. She decided that she wanted to make some spaghetti, but she didn't have any ground beef to put in the spaghetti sauce. The camel police department in Ohio got a phone call from a couple who explained that a friend of theirs had asked if they would keep the freezer for him because his power went out and he was afraid he was going to lose his meat. The young wife remembered that one of her husband's friends had recently stored a small chest freezer along with some meat in their basement. Her thinking was that she could borrow some

of the ground beef from the freezer and replace it later. But when she went to her basement, she noticed something strange. The freezer had a padlock on it. and our freezer. So I made me there, maybe some in there, so I went down. And I knew that the padlock was on that freezer, and as I took a little screwdriver down with me, and I just unscrewed it. And when I opened it up, I saw that a black trash bag, it smelled horrible. I saw it was boiled meat at first, so I was hoping that it was just boiled meat. After finding a black trash bag in the freezer, this young wife told her husband what she found and he immediately went to go take a look for himself. I went down, I did it, and I opened it and it was so good.

My stomach was flugged. Then I just went like, what? That's how you story me, got your scissors and it smells really bad. I'm like, how, why would it, that's what I knew. I'm so worried if you wouldn't put rotten meat in a freezer or a freezer and didn't rot in a freezer because it would be frozen.

And I recognized the flip and thing. And I just, my wife grabbed her head and I grabbed mine. It was a bloody, I said, I think I should call the police. We responded. During the initial response, we knew that we had the remains of a white female. And at that point, because her remains were frozen, we were not sure how much of her body we've actually had. And later during the autop-tomping process, we realized we were missing a torso and part of her head.

The body parts found in the freezer were eventually identified as belonging to missing 28-year-old Shannon Graves. But before detectives confirmed that, they sought to identify the person that put the freezer in the basement. And in our subsequent interviews, the Eschenbaus identified Arturo Nava as the man who brought the freezer to their house. Why don't you start with how you met Anthony?

I'm Anthony. I want to go to my neighbor's house. What, how long was this? It just had to be. I'm sorry, I'll say between four and four and a half years. And then he left right up the street from me, actually, not to the first street. And he just started hanging around,

and we started playing Xbox together. Just typical friendships, you know. On the day after Katrina Layton was questioned by Youngstown detectives, Arturo called a friend and explained that his power was out, and that he wanted to store a freezer and his friend's basement to preserve his meat. A few hours later, he dropped off the freezer, put it in the friend's basement, plugged it in, and left. Four days later, his friend's wife decided that she wanted some spaghetti, which led to the discovery of Shannon's arms' legs and part of her head. After this discovery,

both Arturo and Katrina were picked up by police and brought in for questioning. Without prompting you anyway, can you tell me everything you know about Shannon Prina were picked up by police and brought in for questioning. I'm worried about where is she right now. That I don't know. I mean, I just, I don't know. So Katrina, since she has disappeared. Okay. You've been driving her car. No, no, no. Since she disappeared, you're using the phone that she used when she was with him. And then, since she's been gone, her dog's been at your apartment.

Okay. Since she's been gone, her dog's been at your apartment. Okay. Since she's been gone, her card has been used to feed you. You understand what I'm running down here, there's less of things? We've already went over these. Okay. Now imagine we're telling this to a room full of 12 real-able people. What do they think you did? I didn't do anything.

When Katrina was interviewed for a second time, she gave the same oblivious responses that she'd given the first time. But now, the police had body parts in a whole lot more information. During a search warrant at Shannon's apartment, we recovered a rent receipt for another apartment on Youngstown Southside. It appeared to us that the couple were now renting a new apartment. However, they were not living in it. Arturo and Katrina were living in Shannon's apartment.

But they were also paying rent for another apartment that was only a few miles away. When detectives visited the second apartment, they found noticeable drag marks on the floor that perfectly matched the bottom of the freezer that contained Shannon's body parts. Clearly, someone had dragged the freezer into and then out of this apartment. And clearly this apartment really only had one purpose,

the Hyde Shannon's dismembered body parts. The detectives eventually concluded that their first interview with Katrina must have spooked her and Arturo, prompting them to move the freezer into a friend's house. Anthony just says something about buying a freezer until we got a fridge just old to hold the food. So a month ago you bought a freezer to put it in the house and you don't live in. We were at least at the subhermit's time.

Oh, yeah. Well, it's not like you're living in life of a luxury, but you bought a freezer. Well, the shit that you don't have, you bought a freezer. Yeah, because you don't have a furniture. How did he pay for you? I gave him. I'm pretty sorry you didn't cash. Would you buy that?

I think he got it at Walmart. Ah, yes. A murder plot is never complete without a visit to Walmart. At this point in her interview, Katrina did admit that she and Arturo had purchased a small chest freezer, but the cops had not revealed that they found that freezer or Shannon's body parts inside. When they did, Katrina's response was interesting. And when I found the bugs, I wasn't sure if they came from the new place

or the place where now. What about if it came because of your freezer? Why did the bugs came from a brand of freezer? Because when you put a body into freezer, it brings bugs. The bugs came, the bugs came the bugs came you know I just said what do you mean when you put a body in the freezer yeah I was wondering if you I mean I understand you're trying to get your story out but do you hear what I just had yes okay I don't even understand where you're

kidding that okay the occurred to you is the bugs will I be from the body in a freezer I know because the landlord across the street from where right now had a bug guy in his driveway yesterday, okay, and that's why I was like all right well What do you mean body in the freezer? What are you talking about the body in the freezer? That's not what brought the bugs Why do you give you saying about it in freezer because there was a body in freezer? What do you mean there's a body in a freezer? And what freezer the What do you mean there's a body in freezer? And what freezer? The freezer that you guys bought. Let me show you something.

There's some freezer. This is the body. Body in freezer. Katrina denied having any knowledge of a dead body being left in the freezer that she paid for. And she continued to deny that she had any knowledge of Shannon Graves being dead. Unfortunately for her, during these emotional denials, she let a few things slip. I gave you about 10 times that the missing girl is dead in your freezer. I'm looking

for some kind of reaction but I'm I'm because I'm shocked at all. Yeah forget all this. Do you kill her? Hell no. Will you dare when she was killed? No. What? Well, she looks like you did. No. What do you mean? It looks like I did. She's in your freezer the one you paid for it. So it kind of looks like you killed her. She was banging your band. You hated her. And you are in possession of all her earthly goods. So it kinda looks like you killed her. Oh, that. It looks like I killed her. Sure does.

Okay, I have to interject here for a moment because I'm a true crime fan and I know that you are. This moment, you're about to hear, this doesn't happen very often. I call it a matte lock moment. If you ever watched the old 70s TV show, I think it was 70s. Anyway, if you ever watched matte lock moment. If you ever watch the old 70s TV show, I think it was 70s. Anyway, if you ever watch matte lock, there's that got you a moment where he just pulls out a know where this

aha moment that comes from the criminal just talking and talking themselves into a trap. It really doesn't happen very often. It's kind of like a movie or TV show thing. So it's pretty fascinating to hear it in real life. Check it out. You guys are sitting here telling me that there's a body in this freezer that I did not bring to Kenny's house. You're just telling me about Kenny's house. You just told me it was in Ken's basement. Oh, okay. It came to his house, whatever. I mean, I'm so mean. You never said anything about a basement.

Well, we never said anything about that. Okay. We never told you that. Okay. Well, here's the thing. How did you know that? How did I know that? Yes.

It's common knowledge. I know what Ken's house looks like. Obviously, the cops weren't buying what Katrina was selling. Yes. It's common knowledge. I know what him and his house looks like. Obviously. The cops weren't buying what Katrina was selling. But even after several hours of interrogation, she simply wouldn't admit to anything. Eventually, detectives decided to just arrest her. I'm afraid to say anything right now. I don't know what you're going to try to use against me now.

Tell me that you know nothing about that. I don't know anything about that. try to use against me now. Tell me that you know nothing about that. I don't know anything about that. I'm good. Take your chances. I'm telling you. I got you. Tell me understand. You know what I'm telling you, right?

I can't. You have a seat there. We'll be right back. Hold on. No, hold on. No, fuck that! What? Wow, what the fuck, man?

Mom, they're trying to get me for something I didn't fucking do is what's wrong! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that while Katrina was being interrogated, her mom was sitting outside the interview room, babysitting Katrina's two children. What the fuck, dude? Are you serious right now? Mom! Hell no, man! Mom! Mom!

Me, love! Fuck that, man! What the fuck? Mom! No, fuck that! Katrina sat in her interview room with her ankle cuffed to a table as she mindlessly screamed at her mom. Meanwhile, detectives went to another interview room and questioned her boyfriend, Orteiro. The last time you saw Chan was...

When? I don't even know. I'd like to end the February. Okay. We have no idea what became of her. Where she ended up? I do not have said this to everybody. Okay.

People that know you said this, that you burned your things up. Now I have people that know you saying, you brought a freezer to our house when they opened it up, guess what they found? What did they find? Why, you think you're here? The charge is abuse of a corpse.

Excuse me. Abuse of a corpse? Are you being serious right now? I'm not following you, man. Not unlike Katrina, Arturo denied having any knowledge of Shannon's whereabouts. But he also took things a step further and denied ever bringing a freezer to his friend's house. This is gonna take so long. It's my turn. We're gonna lose your job. Do you hear what I said? The same about your outback dishwasher job anymore.

There's a body and a freezer, and they got such a gratitude of the house said he brought it to the house. Yeah. Your dishwasher job and the backpack is fucked. Okay? That's a weird thing for you to say. Like, what do you want to talk to him? If you're trying to tell me all the things you're supposed to do, I'm telling you.

Supposedly we went to this house and supposedly put this thing in this guy's house. This is fucking insanity to me. It really is. So I'm trying to figure out where something might have, like somewhere in the world. I'm telling you that four people who know you said you burned your shit up and now two people who know you said you wrote a freezer

with a body and into the house. And you're talking to me about your dishwasher job. It's impossible because that didn't do no system. Okay. I don't do nothing but work and sleep. Did you, at any point, take a freezer to a house and camp? Not tonight. We did not. Arturo's interview only lasted for about 20 minutes before he asked for a lawyer.

But the takeaway was that Arturo denied everything. Unfortunately for him, he was going to have a hard time maintaining his denials because the cops found something very interesting when they emptied his pockets. Arturo completely denied any knowledge of any of this. Even though at the time of his arrest, we found that it would be in possession of the key that unlocked the padlock that was on the freezer. Arturo was arrested, and at that point,

his only charge was abuse of a corpse. With eyewitness statements and some pretty solid physical evidence, detectives could prove that Arturo had burned Shannon's belongings and transported some of her body parts from one location to another. But there were still a lot of questions like how did Shannon die? Who killed her? And why?

Also Arturo and Katrina didn't buy the chest freezer until July, which was five months after Shannon went missing. Where had Katrina and Arturo been storing her body this entire time? The cops were not going to be able to get any answers from Arturo because he Just stop all this bullshit and tell the truth. Because I'm trying to tell you what's- I tell us what Anthony did. Tell us what he did. Okay. Tell me Anthony didn't, you didn't because right now. No, I didn't do anything.

The screen, you know what this looks like? Yeah, I know what it looks like, obviously. Well, let me put this one, okay. Here's the other one. He's got, he went over here, and what do you have? That. And she's got, over there, what she got. Pinsa asked, he's getting everything he wants. Why would he kill anybody?

He didn't buy a freezer, you did. He didn't rent an apartment over there, you did. I didn't do shit to that girl. There's a dead girl. I ain't here for you. You're fucking dead, dad. Okay. Detectives knew, or at least strongly suspected, that Arturo and Katrina had murdered Shannon.

And whoever didn't commit the crime helped the other clean up the mess. Detective Lambert had a hunch that Katrina was the killer because Arturo didn't really seem to have a motive, but again, there were still a lot of questions. Where were you guys keeping this money? I didn't keep it from anywhere. Really? Well, it's been there a while, and you didn't buy the freezer until July, so had it be somewhere. Where the hell were we keeping this money?

You're obviously going to have to ask him because this, I didn't know about. During her interviews, Katrina never admitted to anything. She maintained that she didn't murder Shannon, and she also never pointed the finger at Arturo. Unfortunately, these interviews with Katrina and Arturo gave the cops almost nothing to work with. You understand this looks like you did it in the out. I know, that's what it looks like. On top of any other thing she did to you,

she was fucking your boyfriend. It's not complicated, it's real simple. She took what was yours. She screwed your boyfriend, then she disappeared and then you got all her shit and she's in your freezer and he says you don't know nothing about. Just tell me what happened. It's got to be better than what it looks. It can't be as bad as it looks. I mean I did. It cannot be as bad as it looks. I mean, I did. It can't be as bad as it looks, can I? I don't know anymore.

On top of the obvious questions of who killed Shannon Graves, there was also something else that was bothering detectives. The freezer that Arturo had moved into his friend's basement only contained Shannon's arms, legs, and a small piece of her head. So where was the rest of her? What had Arturo and Katrina done with Shannon's torso and the remainder of her head? Shannon's torso and the remainder of her head. When Detective Michael Lambert learned the answers to these questions, he realized that he was right about something.

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moved into a friend's basement. Also arrested was 34-year-old Katrina Layton, who are Turo had dated on and off for about nine years. At the time of their arrest, they were back together. The body parts that were discovered belonged to 28-year-old Shannon Graves. It went missing in Youngstown, Ohio, five months before pieces of her were found inside this freezer. Shannon dated Arturo for less than a year, and at the time of her disappearance, they

were both living in Shannon's apartment. After Shannon went missing, Katrina latent moved in to that same apartment. Homicide detectives in Youngstown believe that Arturo and or Katrina murdered Shannon. But during their respective interrogations neither of them confessed or pointed the finger at the other. At this point the evidence that the cops had only proved Katrina purchased the freezer and Arturo moved it. At best, this couple could only be charged with tampering with evidence and abuse of out where she was killed, how she was killed. Where was the body dismembered? Right. It has to be somewhere. Where was it stored for four months? Yeah.

You and I know, hey, they probably killed her. Right. But we don't have a lot to even make that allegation yet. Right. And we're closed. As far as emotive was concerned, Katrina Layton had a good one, and it was pretty simple. According to our friends, Katrina and Arturo argued constantly when they were dating. Usually it was because Katrina suspected that Arturo was being unfaithful, and to be fair, he often was. Then, after they broke up, and Arturo began dating Shannon Graves, Katrina became enraged. And there's nothing worse than someone named Katrina being enraged. Take my word for it. Other than that, she only came over and they were fighting. It was bad. It was real bad. I mean, I have never, oh man.

What did you fight over? She always had a shading on her, was somebody. And there were times I just couldn't listen to Trina anymore about Arturo. Could not do it. Like, she would. What do you fight over? No, she was obsessed with him, dude.

I mean, I, and like, I mean, I heard disdain for Shannon's. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. In short, if Katrina murdered Shannon, her motive was likely jealousy. As for Arturo, Detective Michael Lambert wasn't sure if he had a motive. One of the things that was in my mind during the entire case was the fact that Arturo had both of these women.

He had Shannon providing money, a place to live, a car, pretty much everything he wanted wanted and he also had Katrina providing whatever Shannon was in giving him. On top of that both women knew about each other so this wasn't a secret. So at no point did I really believe that Arturo had the better motive between him and Katrina. the better mode of between him and Katrina. Even though Katrina had a motive and she and Arturo were clearly responsible for or involved with Shannon's murder and dismemberment, prosecutors in Ohio did what prosecutors normally do. They offered a plea deal to the woman so that they could have a stronger case against the man because, you know, equality. After the arrest of Arturo Nouveau and Katrina Layton, the prosecutor's office entered

into a deal with Katrina Layton, thinking that she had the least amount of culpability in the case and could provide damaging testimony against Arturo. As a result of Katrina's deal, she was received no jail time for cooperation in which it includes testimony against Arturo in the case. Shannon's family did not react well to this deal and they immediately began raising alarms that it was very believed that Katrina had as much to do with Shannon's death as Arturo did. I cannot explain why the deal was made because I was in part of it. My assumption would be that after the prosecutor assessed what we gave them, the

actual murder case was still very circumstantial, and without the push of a cooperating witness, all we really had was a tampering with evidence cases. Katrina's defense attorney worked out a pretty incredible deal on her behalf. She was given complete immunity from prosecution. Yeah, complete immunity. The only requirements were that she testified against Arturo and that she be completely honest. So in the latter half of 2018, Katrina and her defense attorney met with prosecutors several times to discuss the murder of Shannon Graves. According to Katrina

on an evening in late February 2017, she was at home with her two children when she unexpectedly received a phone call from Arturo. Again, it's important to remember that Arturo is sometimes referred to as Anthony. So Anthony called you hysterical on the phone telling me she's dead. Right? Yeah. And but an hour later, who's at your house? Well, I'll sleep on the hour.

Okay. So what's he said? when he gets in the house? I don't remember exactly how the conversation went, but I found out that she was in the trunk of the car. Katrina explained that when Arturo arrived at her house, he had Shannon's dead body in the trunk of Shannon's car, and the two of them decided to move Shannon into Katrina's garage. Remember Andrew Herman? I was already freaking out, you know, last time I called Andrew.

Remember Andrew Herman, the guy that helped Arturo burn Shannon's belongings? Well, according to Katrina, Andrew did a lot more than just burn some property. Katrina explained that after Shannon's corpse was laid out in her garage, she called Andrew and told him to come over. When he got there, her tarot led Andrew into the garage while Katrina went into her house. Katrina claimed that she didn't know what went on inside the garage, but she did eventually see Andrew leave. Nothing really.

I don't even think Andrew was there that long after they came back in the house. I think he left. Okay. But I know he didn't stay all night. I know that. He left. And what happened to me? He laid down and he was huge outside. So you laid him bed together? Yeah, he looked so. After Katrina named Andrew Herman, investigators began looking into the kind of person that Andrew

was. What they found seemed to substantiate what Katrina had told them. Like Arturo, Andrew was an amateur wannabe rap artist and had made a bunch of disturbing recordings that were obsessed with death and the occult and all things weird really. Like I make his music it's all dark weird shit you know. Like I used to make his music I used to make Andrew's music for him. Like I would record it, do all that. And it was just always like real dark stuff, you know what I mean?

Like even the rap name he goes by his strange. It's dead and echo-feely and I cassess it. I made him go by DNA because that was weird. Like he'd always been a weird dude, but I'd always just thought it was just a gimmick for the music thing, you know what I mean? It turned out that Andrew's interest in dead bodies wasn't a gimmick.

Apparently Andrew had a thing for cold and dismembered corpses. His girlfriend, LZ, has videos of people having sex with dead bodies on his phone. cold and dismembered corpses. Andrew was eventually confronted with the accusation that he assisted in the disposal of Shannon's corpse, and he denied it. On the plane, the group thinks you don't know more about this. I don't know anything else. I told you what happened. Despite Andrews' denial, Katrina maintained her story and insisted that Andrew assisted Arturo in some way,

though she wasn't sure how, and she didn't know what happened to Shannon's body after Andrews' intervention. A few days later, Katrina moved into Shannon's apartment with Arturo and eventually discovered that Shannon's dismembered body was in the apartment. When I saw it it was on the floor next to it with it. One bag? Now there was two, but you never looked in the bag. So a bag, okay? Yeah, that was after the last. If you didn't catch that, Katrina just said, after we poured the acid.

At some point Katrina and Arturo decided to go full breaking bad with Shannon's body. If you're not familiar, which by the way, by now you should be, it's probably one of the best shows ever made. In any case, the main characters on that show often use acid-filled barrels to dissolve and hide dead bodies. So whose idea is the word they asked how I come about? That was your idea. I'm in it, so. And what did you do to say, anything that's ordered from my asset?

How did I come up with that? What was that discussion about? It wasn't really discussion. I just... I don't remember what I realized that she was in the back room and that there was still a problem. It should be noted that Katrina did not come forward and admit that she and Arturo made plans to dissolve Shannon's body in acid.

Before Katrina agreed to cooperate, the cops figured this out on their own. During the resulting media coverage from the arrest of Arturo and Katrina, we received figured this out on their own. Anyway, the guy we were asking, he made some kind of internet order. Yes. All of the items that he ordered. We're in. What were those items? They were bottles of sulfuric acid. No.

You said they came in on the tenth. Both of them? They haven't heard. Both. They gave me a word. I type it in. And it comes up. And I instantly like knew, like, I can't give this to you.

So I explained to him, I said, I apologize, but I know your name is not chicken man. For obvious reasons, when Katrina and Arturo placed their Walmart order for sulfuric acid, they didn't want to use their real name. So in their infinite wisdom, they decided to use an alias. It was just addressed to chicken. So guy walked in the Walmart says, Hey, I'm chicken. Man, you got package for me. I can't make this. That's the correct response. By the way, When Katrina and Arturo went to Walmart to pick up the acid, the sales clerk gave them

a hard time about the name that they used. But eventually they got it all worked out and Katrina and Arturo walked out of the store with their 12 gallons of sulfuric acid. What is it with Walmart and murder? Don't you know they got cameras there? Okay, so the day you do the acid, there's a plastic toad. Yes. And we're putting parts into the toad. Yeah. What kind of a part? It was her head and like the torso weight. This is a whole little part. No. Legs?

No. Head? Whole head. Yes. Now you've got this toe, this plastic container full of sand. What happens next? I don't remember it hacking like right away like it. It wasn't moving like in the curtains.

Right. I think it took a little bit of a wee drop to maybe end up with a slugied bunch of shit. Katrina explained that they let Shannon's torso and a good chunk of her head dissolve in acid for about a week. Then Arturo incrementally disposed of the resulting human sludge. So, he told you he took it and dumped it off somewhere off the other side of the house. Yeah. And how far did you live from going with that? Not far.

Right. And the arms and legs are somewhere. Right. And as we now know, because you saw the picture, there's still one piece. There's no way they make it. So there's somewhere and there's some more throws. Yeah, and that's what I can't help you guys with. Because I know that they were back there and then they were in the other prison.

According to Katrina, she and Arturo didn't have enough acid to dissolve Shannon's entire body, and they were still stuck with her arms, her legs, and a piece of her head. Katrina claimed that Arturo stored these body parts somewhere, but she didn't know where, until they ended up in the chest freezer, at the couple purchased months later. There were a lot of gaps in Katrina's story, and prosecutors were hoping that our Turo's friend Andrew Herman could fill them in. So based on Katrina's statements, Andrew was eventually indicted for his role in the case when Katrina revealed to us that Andrew had a lot to do with the dismemberment. Once he was arrested and charged, he immediately became a cooperator and gave us as much

information as he had. After Andrew agreed to cooperate, he gave the prosecutors and investigators his version of the events. According to Andrew, on a cold night in late February of 2017, Arturo contacted him and told him to come to Katrina's house. Once there, Arturo led Andrew into Katrina's garage. What happened to the garage? He explained to me that he had a problem that he really needed help with. He told me to pick up a pair of garbage bags and open them up. What I did, I happened to be a body inside.

Who was inside? Sharon. He told me he needs my help to make her smaller. He tell you how she died. No, but it was pretty obvious. What'd you see? Her head was cute, didn't it? So what happened after that? We dismembered.

Okay, how'd you dismember? We had a, uh, machete. So you used machete to chop the lent, though. Arms, because it was easy. Try it on the legs. Didn't work out so good. So, switch to the blade side. I switched to the saw side.

We got the saw side. And again, how much of this blade is sawed? The whole back. It's the whole saw. So basically, you've got a big hand saw. Yes. And so does it go right through? No problem.

Pretty much, yeah. How about the neck? No, not as rather easy. Saw or Mochette? Mochette. Just a chop. Now that the authorities had Andrew's cooperation, they didn't need Katrina's anymore. And frankly, she didn't really give them anything useful anyway. She claimed she didn't witness Shannon's murder and that Arturo never told Katrina how Shannon died, which was pretty unlikely and also completely unbelievable. So here's what you want these police and prosecutors to believe. You had this nine-year relationship where you always seem to get back together and he's telling everybody else on the planet how he killed Sharon but you. Yeah, that I do wonder.

Really? No, I mean he shows up from the dead body and you don't see what the part happens? I've never had a client take a deal where I had to work this hard to get them. I mean this is ridiculous. I've never been in trouble like this either. I've never had another client be so stupid that for five meetings, they would deny, deny, deny, and then they'd go, oh yeah, and smart and say,

well, I didn't want to get in trouble. After repeatedly being told, there's nothing you could say that you're going to get in trouble about. OK. The only thing that jeopardizes your deal is you not being honest. You're giving your network to hang yourself, and my concern is you're gonna hang yourself. In the end, Katrina did hang herself, and prosecutors were able to convince a judge that Katrina

Layton was still lying. In this case, Katrina absolutely had a get out of the GL free cart. She could have said anything up to and including that she actually killed Shannon and nothing could have happened to her as a result. The only way she could have blown this is the way she did by telling provable lies to us. As a result of that she faced the full br run of the case just like Arturo did. Eventually, Arturo made the decision to complete guilty in this case, and during his plea, he had the opportunity as did Katrina early on to just tell the truth because his future was sealed.

Arturo knew that one way or another he was going down for Shannon's murder, so he decided to also accept a plea. When Arturo sat down with prosecutors, he explained his side of the story. According to him on February 25th, 2017, he was at Shannon's apartment, which was also his apartment because Shannon let him live there. That night, he got into an argument with Shannon shortly before she left for work. In order to calm himself down, Arturo decided to walk to a local bar and have some drinks. While there, he also decided to call Katrina and thinking that Shannon would be working

all night and being the degenerate scumbag that he is, he invited Katrina to Shannon's apartment. It was basically just trying to have a few dreams. Just chill out. I called Shun for a little nightcap, and I told her, you know, a raster, she would like to come by. She agreed. She came over. I left the back door open for her. So when she gets there, she could just go and get there. I was still at the bar.

I told her, you know, just go in and make yourself out of home and you get there. Arturo agreed to meet Katrina at Shannon's apartment, but when he got there, he saw that Shannon's car was parked outside. Presumably Shannon had come home early. Something to note here is that Arturo refers to Shannon by her nickname, Star. I walked in the house, I started swinging my grab and hair, Shrinna goes over, she's in the living room. There's a part of the room where I keep all my tools. She grabbed the hammer and she hit start with the hammer.

I think it's an easy moment. You know what I mean? She grabbed the hammer. She grabbed the hammer, she grabbed the hammer, and it was sitting next to her. So according According to Arturo, he witnessed Katrina murder Shannon by hitting her in the head several times with a claw hammer, after which she and Katrina started the very, very long process of trying to cover up this murder. You dragged it all the way to the path.

And how did you clean the blood out? up this murder. You dragged all the way to the bathroom. And how did you clean the blowout? Reach. How much the blowout was it? She really put it in the bathroom. She dragged her to the bathroom and put her in the bathtub? Closed on and closed off. You shaved her head.

Why do you shave her head? I don't know what to do at the time, so I just just shrank the guy out of the way to cover it up. Eventually, Arturo and Katrina moved Shannon into the trunk of Shannon's car and drove to Katrina's house. When I do get over there, the leg under the rod. It was really cold out. I'm going to suggest that I should call Andrew to help. Who's doing research for untriness phone for 55 gallon toots and bins?

It's all right. And why is she searching for that? She had this crazy idea that if we got where the body completely was the same way we could avoid some acid on that. According to Arturo, Katrina was committed to dissolving Shannon's body and acid. While she was googling the best kind of barrels and bins to do this with, because that's what you do when you're a dumb murderer, Arturo called his friend Andrew Herman, who eventually arrived at the garage with his machete.

Then Andrew disemembered Shannon while Turo assisted. The time we got caught in a beautiful, deep part, she got put in a tote. Who put in a tote? You need to live. Katrina and Arturo transported Shannon back to Shannon's apartment. A few days later, they poured acid on her torso and the portion of her head that revealed the cause of death. We separated the body. We grabbed her arms and legs out of there, put them back. head that revealed the cause of death.

As for the remaining body parts, Arturo explained that they folded up Shannon's arms and legs and kept them in Shannon's apartment freezer. She's in the freezer, the fridge of your house, March, April, May, and June. For four months. That's kind of a big freezer. She's folded up, it looks like her. Jeez. She's just folded up. It looks like her arms are legs. We just folded up.

We guys think you live in there, right? You got arms and legs and a freezer. In your freezer. And you got the rest of her in a tote. So, you guys talking about it? What do you do? A lot. So, he has talked about it. Arturo Katrina and Katrina's two children lived in Shannon's apartment for five months. Presumably, Arturo and Katrina were sleeping together on Shannon's bed during this time. They were using her car, using her cell phone, and using her

welfare card. All the while, some of Shannon was crammed into the refrigerator freezer while the rest of her was dissolving in acid. Truly a horror house. Because this is all, once in a while, the group that used to be here by, it's a team that we live with, right? We live with that foot and buckets, and who drove, we drove through our way to pick up the kids or whatever a kid can get off the school. I can't remember the sign and we were done. The remaining on the shoe color marshal.

Imagine that conversation. Hey honey, don't forget on our way back from picking up the kids we need to drop off some of the human sludge that we've been hiding in the back room. Let's not forget that it's kind of piling up back there and we should probably get rid of some of that. Clean that out, do a little spring cleaning. Maybe we can repurpose that space, you know, put some boxes back there, go down to the container store.

I still got the arms and legs, how she's at the front. We ran into a money problem after a while, especially when we had two apartments. So once we got fully moved into the second apartment, we had a plan on getting the last one. Okay, so we were happy with how I asked where the party did. Arturo and Katrina planned to dissolve the rest of Shannon in acid, but they never got the chance. After police came knocking on their door and asking questions, Shannon was moved into a chest freezer and eventually found herself in the basement of our Turo's friend's house.

After that friend named Arturo, some of the truth came out. But even to this day, nobody but Katrina and Arturo, no for sure, who killed Shannon Graves? At this point there is no proof positive 100% answered to who killed Shannon Graves. In this case though interestingly enough it was Arturo who identified Katrina as the killer but Katrina never identified either of them as the killer just claimed that not no. If Katrina killed Shannon, her motive was a simple love triangle motive where she wanted Arturo all to himself. For the majority of the investigation, Detective Lambert only saw a motive for Katrina. But as time went on, he began to see that Arturo may have had a motive as well. that's actually getting a little more twofold. It's not just about human shannions, but other things too. What did Anthony do for money?

Apparently Arturo had this MO where he would use women to support himself. Judging by a current peripheral look at society, he doesn't appear to be the only one. He did it with Shannon and countless women before her, including Katrina. Katrina liked him even though she was, I think she was just cool. She's so hungry for a lot, you know, that she wanted some real over. Where has he come from? She and her husband at the fucking bus station, that was down. Okay. I was like, what is he doing? She was in a fucking bus station, that was down. Okay.

But, you know, he was homeless or someone just got a jail or something out of the knell, but he ain't even at her house on tremble. Okay. So, they were dating and not dating, dating and not dating. To me, when you wanted something that they were dating, then when he didn't want something, they wanted dating. Whenever there was income tax on him, he was of her ass.

She's a single mom, she's already struggling, she's working to a job. And you come in and you have no problems. Take your money. Take your money. Take it from her. Arturo was a taker and a user. Oh, and also a liar.

During the time he was dating Shannon, he was still sleeping with Katrina. When cops looked over his phone records and emails, they also discovered that he was carrying on sexual relationships with at least three other women. Where do these people even find the time to do this shit? I guess it must be a lot easier when you don't have a job. In any case, it didn't take Shannon long to recognize the kind of guy that Arturo was. So during the investigation, it became apparent that Shannon was on kind of a last chance agreement with Arturo and given the history of their relationship in Katrina's, eventually this was going to end.

So the best motive I could come up with was that Arturo's use of Shannon to help himself was eventually going to run out, and this was his last chance to get what he could from her. As mentioned before, Shannon Graves worked as a stripper, but this was a line of work that she wanted to get out of. While dating Arturo, Shannon attended and eventually graduated from Cosmetology school and she planned to transition from stripper to cosmetologist. Arturo wasn't overly thrilled with this idea because it would temporarily put a stop to the money that Shannon was making as a stripper, which directly benefited him. Did she ever cause me holiday lessons? She didn't. Would she cut hair at?

She didn't. She got her lessons and that's when she was with him. And I think he was just really one of her better herself. And she was pushing her to keep dancing. According to Shannon's co-workers, who knew her by her nickname, Star, Shannon was committed to her goals. And she felt that if she was going to achieve them, she was going to have to kick her worthless unemployed boyfriend out of her apartment.

Smart girl. So she remembers work of what her said they were fighting. And who was fighting Anthony? Anthony's story. Yeah. She said she was talking about how she needed to get away from him. He was no good. And the girl said she just started working there and didn't think nothing of it.

That it was just another girl talking about their losing boyfriend. If Katrina killed Shannon Graves, her motive was jealousy. If Arturo killed Shannon, his motive was a desperation to hold on to the things that Shannon was providing for him. Maybe an anger that they might be taken away. Again, Arturo was a user and a taker, and apparently old habits die hard. While sitting in jail awaiting trial, Arturo was still playing his game with yet another woman. I've been with a lot of other girls, but you know, you've always been like one of the main girls that's always fun with like hard, you know what I mean, like, do anything for you, type shit, same way around, you know? Hell.

If they're not there for your kids, not by something you can, not maybe take a kid, not gonna be sure you can get a good one, not gonna happen. You can get a good one. Well, when you get out, you can get someone to say. Here's a guy sitting in jail awaiting trial for dismembering his girlfriend and dissolving her body parts in acid. And this other woman is offering to let him come live with her and her children. I mean, I don't even, I don't even have words for this. How desperate can you be? Not a good look. In any event, Arturo was never able to go live with this other woman. After accepting a plea agreement, he was sentenced to 48 years to life and currently resides

in an Ohio State prison. Thank God. His friend Andrew Herman was sentenced to 12 years in prison for his role in dismembering Shannon's body. Then there was Katrina Layton. After continuing to lie to prosecutors repeatedly, her plea agreement was revoked, and she pled guilty to eight felonies, including abuse of a corpse and tampering with evidence. Katrina, and by the way, this was only because she was too stupid to actually go through with the

pleadial, was sentenced to 18 years in prison. Also, if anyone's curious, Shannon's dog Molly was adopted by Shannon's sister, so she's currently living a very happy life. Good for Molly. I know a lot of you worry about the animals in Sudo-I, but Molly's fun, to say you know, she probably misses her mom though very much. I don't know that there is a moral to this story, but what stands out to me is that what these three people were going to prior to Shannon's death didn't amount to any reason why Shannon ever had to die. This wasn't a marital situation or anybody was going to lose anything of any real value.

situation or anybody was going to lose anything of any real value. It wasn't a situation where somebody was going to discover that somebody had been doing anything that everybody didn't already know about. So she and her death was just pointless. It didn't serve to further anything other than keeping things status quo and looking at what that status quo was, it wasn't anything worth fighting for, but certainly not killing for. Shannon Graves was a young, hardworking woman that had a difficult upbringing. The death of her mother at a young age led Shannon to drop out of high school and become a stripper when she was only a teenager.

But as Shannon got older, she realized she was capable of more. She earned her GED, graduated from Cosmetology School, and was working toward the modest goal of becoming a cosmetologist. Tragically, she never got to see that goal to the end. Instead, Katrina Layton and, or, Arturo Navoa, caved her head in with a claw hammer. Then in a drawn-out and gruesome plot to hide the evidence, the two of them did unspeakable things to Shannon's body. In the end, all they got for their troubles was years behind bars, and a lot to think

about if they have the brain cells to do so. In a world that is saturated with horrific true-crime stories, believe me, it has become cliche to use this phrase, but Shannon's murder can really only be described one way, Completely senseless. Alright, that's gonna do it. Excuse me while I go kick some software engineers around for a bit. It's my life now. Till next time, stay safe. Hey Mike, I just joined Patreon or whatever your source goal is. So my entire life has been you and that's's not her practice, like listening to a choreoic murder. But some just think that hearing any negative feedback you get and for you to be like,

fuck you, it's my podcast. Whatever. It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside because fuck you. You are completely right. It is your podcast. You're amazing. we love you. And thank you for making my two-hour soccer project, like, a clock-re game, twice a week,

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