Sword and Scale - Episode 91

Episode Date: June 4, 2017

We kick off this week's episode with some much needed updates about what's been going on behind the scenes, fist of which is Sword and Scale Rewind, hosted by Lynette Carolla and Stefanie Wilder-Taylor, which launches on June 14th. It's the after-show for this podcast, so every episode of Rewind will cover an episode of S&S, starting with Episode 1. Make sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts so you don't miss a thing. Secondly, we get into the other big thing that's happening right now and the reason why we've been so busy... We're making a TV Show!!! That's right, we're working with Propogate Content to develop a brand new made-for-TV version of Sword and Scale. We have some big names onboard which we'll be announcing soon, but we're very excited about how it's all coming together. ...And while we were out there in Los Angeles, we got to pop in to The Museum of Death which was so fascinating that we decided to talk to its assistant curator for an audio-based tour. Lastly, we get into this week's main story. A look behind the scenes into an investigation regarding a car theft and the kidnapping of Kingston Frazier, a 6-year-old boy who was in the car that was taken. The following 12 hours become a mad manhunt for the boy and the details surrounding this investigation will leave you speechless.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sort and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences Listener discretion is advised We've been everyone. He was there. Welcome to season 4, Episode 91 classic Sword and Scale stories you won't soon forget. A tale of how danger can be lurking where you least expect it. But before we get into that, a much needed update on what's going on. As many of you who follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram already know, we've had a very busy couple of weeks.

I was in LA for 10 days doing all sorts of things. I peered on the Adam Corolla show, and for crying out loud with Lynette Corolla and Stephanie Wilder Taylor, if you haven't heard those episodes yet, go check them out right now. Lynette Stephanie and I also recorded the first four episodes of Sword and Scale Rewind. What is Sword and Scale Rewind, you may ask? Rewind is a Sword and Scale after show. Each episode covers an existing episode of Sword and Scale. It's meant to be heard immediately after you hear the main episode.

Think of it as a companion, where we'll delve into the unanswered questions and details from a listeners perspective. The feed has already launched, and the first episode will drop on June 14th. So go over to Apple Podcasts and subscribe right now so you don't miss a thing. Seriously, do it now. Don't worry, I'll be right here when you get back. And now, for the real reason I was out in LA, we are doing a sword and scale TV show. Yup, seriously.

We're working with a company called Propagate, and we were out there pitching the show to several networks, and have gotten an incredible response. We're lucky enough to be working with some amazingly talented people, which I can't reveal their names at, but we'll be filling you in on the details soon. Jesus, I'm so much to talk about regarding my trip. While I was out there, I got a chance to chat with Jim Clemente, who produced the case of John Van A. Ramsey. I live streamed a meet-up with Matthew Hahn, the redeemed criminal from episode 89, and

I even got a ghost tour of the comedy store from comedian Bobby Lee and Kalilah. Check out their podcast too called Tiger Belly. But one part of the trip that really stands out is the fact that I finally got to see this little place I've been meaning to check out for a long time now. It's called The Museum of Death. My name is Ryan Lichten. I'm the assistant curator at the Museum of Death.

So as you know Ryan, I visited your museum last week and you know I thought it was really cool. But for our listeners that have never heard about it, could you tell us a little bit about what the Museum of Death is? Well you know it's one of those things where it's fairly self-explanatory, but death is a huge subject, there's a lot to it. We are a museum, we feature everything from original artwork and letters from serial killers, exhibits on execution. We have a whole collection of antique funeral ephemera, exhibits relating to suicide cults, and at our Hollywood location,

because we have two one in New Orleans, one in Hollywood, California. We have a whole California death room with Charles Manson, Black D black dolly i think things like that but basically all in composing you know we have war atrocities liberty death even a collection of taxidermy and you know schools though really everything you could think of that fall down in brillo death we have on display

why death why why is this the subject that uh... this museum was founded on well the owners you know they started this museum back in nineteen ninety five and before that they had an art gallery and uh... one of their most popular shows but did with the death row archo is really one of the first of its kind they contacted people you know like richer mere as john wenday c uh... warrants bit occurred those most notorious evil guys and uh... did archo for them and and that kind of

sparked the interest you know on a on a public scale you know there's lots of press on it from there they're like okay but what happens you know after the serial killer's that caught they're executed what comes after an execution of funeral you know that kind of just naturally grew from one small exhibition into an entire museum but also i mean besides just that natural progression, they felt there's JD Healey and Catherine Schultz. They just thought that they're the huge boy and

death education in America. We kind of shy away from it. We're in other countries. You know, the dead are celebrated and paraded through the streets. We're here. It's very, you know, sterile and something we don't talk about until it comes. And that's not necessarily a good way to live your life. So they want to kind of make it friendly or more acceptable. Yeah, that is a good point. I mean, we do kind of pretend like death doesn't happen here in this country. It's a weird sort of culture. I was surprised by just how much stuff there is in packed in this, you know, it's not a very large footprint, but there's so much stuff to look at you

could spend days in that place yes you know and that's why we encourage people you know spend as much time as possible in there because yeah there's so many little things you know from big pieces like you know a a journaling you see polka the clown painting which you know is one of our most popular things people always see that online they see it in person but then you know you look in the case right next to it there might be just of the clown painting which you know is one of our most popular things people always see that online. They see it in person. But then you know you look in the case right next to it.

There might be just a tiny little pin you know say from the protest that they had during Wayne Williams, his run in Atlanta as a child murder, which is you know equally as historically important, but you wouldn't notice it because it's so small. I mean it's 30 years of collecting just jammed into into one space. That's why we had to open a second museum, just because we ran out of room. You know, that is endless. It never stops. People won't, unfortunately, won't kill each other.

Wars will keep happening. People will still be interested in the unknown. And that's really one of the last unknowns that we still have in this day and age of, you know, fast information and access to all that. So it is endless. And that's, we kind of try and represent that with the collection. One of the more interesting exhibits you have is the Heavens Gate section, where you have actual uniforms worn by the people who died at Heavens Gate.

Oh, yes, and I mean, the bunk bed that the clothes are displayed on, that's from the house as well. And actually, people kind can miss this part like everything in that exhibit that you see is from the house there's even an interesters of comment from under the thing that they have there you know if you know the history of the gators kind of little bit of irony in that but i'd like to just with the seven gate

anniversary just passed inside edition came with a uh... cult infiltrator from the seventies who after jones town happened when the government was like hey we need to crack down on some of these blacky cults that are going around because after the sixties there's a lot of new age religions and things like that jones town kind of show that hey this can be dangerous so this guy infiltrated heaven gate back before they were harmful and they were just kind of this weird off-shoot uf-cult but when the suicide happened

he was called back in because they were like, hey, you were around these guys, what can you tell us about this? And they brought him to the museum to show him the heaven's gate stuff, and he got chilled. It was the first time he had seen any of that since he was in the house itself. So basically, the way that we even got that stuff is it's not really traditional compared to how we acquired other items because when that happened the museum was located in San Diego so we were relatively close by and so we had access to a lot of stuff right off the bat and in order to recoup the cost of bringing in corners and you know sheriffs and all that from other parts of the city because they

weren't ready to handle something you know that large they auctioned off everything in the house that wasn't tarnished by the two sides of the book that they still thought were usable you know cleaning supply even the light bulbs from the house were all auctioned off but it was anonymous of course but the museum was lucky enough to get a head up at the which palette of stuff that the police auction was the heaven gate stuff so that's how we got that which it's rare that you get an entire collection in one go, especially from somebody as monumental as having a date.

Yeah, it's incredible. And you guys actually showed me the bill of sale for some of those items. The other thing that I found really fascinating was the Victorian death photo, which is authentic. And those are almost impossible to acquire. Could you explain what Victorian death photos were to our audience?

Well, yeah. You know, back during that time photography was coming into its own. And but also, you know, during that time the lifespan of the average human was immensely shorter than it is now. So it was very popular, you know, to have that orchard done, especially for children, because, you know, unfortunately, children died very often back in those days. So really, the only memory people would have would be this one photo. And it also became fashionable to have these photos colored in by hand.

They'd be painted over and it kind of gives them the eerie, almost surreal look, but it is an actual photo. And yeah, everyone had that. It was also very popular to have invitations sent out. Beautiful, golden-lay invitations, even, beautiful, gold inlay, invitations or, you know, even if the person that died was just a couple months old or what, I view, it was a thing that everyone had and it wasn't weird, it was viewed as just something you did, it was as normal as bearing your dead is nowadays. You would have this picture,

they would even do, you know, hair memorials. They would make jewelry with some of the deceased hair or even string each strand through wax so they can make sculptures out of it. We have a beautiful bouquet of flowers made out of it with deceased person's hair from that time. And that was just stuff you hung on to. And the photographs really became the most accessible photographers would travel to the people's homes with their own catafolks that they could pop up out of a trunk. They take this picture, give the picture to the people's homes with their own catapult that they could pop up out of a trunk they take this picture give the picture to the family and that was it but they would travel around with

their little deceased person photography set and and do that so it was it was really quite popular and very common and i was surprised by how small it was but then i was like uh... they they had to fit the actual film print in the camera back then so yeah of course. And that's another reason why some of these photographs

would be either painted on a larger scale or when they were blown up. It was not the quality that you would see in a small tiny photo. Just like nowadays, if you were to blow up picture up on the computer, it would be more grainy. It wouldn't be as good so they would kind of film the details themselves. But also back then photographs were just smaller and oftentimes that was so you could carry it with you. The animal taxidermy section is one that caught me off guard.

You have a chicken with two assholes. Yes. That was actually the owner's pet. It was a number of years. Many taxidermy animals that we have were actually the owner's pets and that chicken its second second-asshole is it's demise and egg got caught between you know the two exits and got egg logged and that's what that's what they're in unfortunately but you know she's there forever. These are some eccentric owners if they have these bizarre animals and you know are fascinated with death. Yeah I mean you know they're eccentric to say the least but you know the smartest people I've ever met in my life, I mean, they've completely changed the way I think about death

and I've always been into this stuff. You know, my father was a police officer, my mom, always in the macabre. I was around this stuff my whole life. That's how I heard of the museum of death. But once you start talking to these people, you know, who are in contact with serial killers, they go to these funeral homes to get this old stuff,

they're constantly seeking it out. There's just a more intense appreciation for life, I guess you could say. So to them, it's not weird to get their dog that they had for 15 years taxidermy to the average customer that comes in, they think that's very dark or sad thing, but taxidermy's often done at 11, that's how the owners see it.

What is your favorite exhibit? It changes, you know what I mean? We get so obsessed with each little thing walking through the museum so many times a day. For instance, I just got out of a huge heaven gate phase, but it's because the 20 year anniversary just passed in March. But before that, when all these new OJ shows were coming out, I was hooked on OJ, I couldn't get enough OJ.

We started buying up a lot more OJ stuff. But for me, I've had to pick one thing I got I like talking to people about the most. It would be, are you a little bit on Rebecca Schaeffer? The young actress who in 1989 was gunned down by a deranged fan. And I guess the reason why I like that is it's a very American crime. It's tabloid culture, it's obsession obsession with the liberty it wanting to touch the star but also i used to write to robber barrow who was the murder and he drew me a bunch of pictures of her back up from

prison which happened in nineteen eighty nine the murder but in two thousand fifteen to the sixteen you still drawing pictures of her from memory that are nearly beautiful uh... so to me i really like like that. It kind of stands out. Tell our listeners where they can find out more. Well, you can check us out at a museumofdeath.net. We have a location in New Orleans in the French Quarter. We also have one in Hollywood, California. But we're very popular. You know, we've been around for over 20 years now.

So you can just search museumofdeath on the internet. You'll find plenty about us. You know, I mean, you can find us anywhere like I said you know television internet all that stuff and there's some pretty cool videos and things like that out there that we've done thank you so much Ryan thank you for joining us and best of luck to you of course man thanks for having me up here I'm going to get you. In his 1971 book called Blaming the Victim, Psychologist William Ryan described victim blaming as an ideology used to justify racism and social injustice against black people in the United States. The book was written as a direct response to democratic politician Daniel Patrick Moyahan's

1965 book entitled The Negro Family, a case for national action, or what's sometimes been referred to as the Moyahan Report. In it, Moyahan reached the conclusion that three centuries of black oppression, including the period of American slavery, created a long series of chaotic disruptions in the family structure, which had manifested itself in absent fathers and high rates of unwed births, leading to single mother households dependent on welfare. Ryan argued that Moyahan's theories were an attempt to divert responsibility for poverty, from a lack of social structures to the behaviors of the poor.

But we live in a world that isn't black and white. Most of us have a shared understanding of the differences between good and evil, and the more extreme of an example of evil, the more most of us can agree on its egregious nature. But there are those gradations of truth, no all-encompassing binary system, a slightly different point of view for every human being on earth. What may appear normal to one person, based on their environment, education, and upbringing, may come across as just wrong to others, who see things from

a slightly different perspective. The more detached we are from a situation, the more we feel free to judge it. The more our personal bias is creep in. Social media has made that easy. The ability to judge someone's actions from afar, from a cloak of faceless, nameless, and anonymity. These actions could be something as simple as leaving your kid in the car while you go and pick up something from the supermarket. And it's a vehicle additional from the Corpus Christ

and a lot of the time, it was seven years old. Maybe in it. It's May 18, 2017. from the Provost Law of the Life and Tain Hill, 7-year-old. Maybe in it. It's May 18, 2017. The time is approximately 1.38 am. No tag information at this time. We'll tell you all the camera and call them. Just find out, or, you know, we've been coming right here on these.

And he's trying to... Abani Archie steps into the Kruger at 4910i55 North in Jackson, Mississippi. To pick up some items she needs for the following day. She decides to leave her car running with her 6-year-old son Kingston Frazier inside, while she runs in to do some quick shopping. 6th volume of the VIVA 2000 model, CO2 camera, CO2, 10th all the way around. The back, one of those 10th is still an off. And they're able to send me your child in the car VIVA. I should be able to achieve in the vehicle. I'm going to look out for a silico, your temporary.

It just sold them from the Crowware 504. And a semi-hero child is fact available. You can't info it this time or direction to travel. It's going to as a seven-year-old, but he's six, a simple and probably inconsequential mistake by law enforcement. And had this been the only mistake made, it would have not even been worth mentioning. But as you'll see, the number of mistakes, inaccuracies, and outright bumbling by authorities in this case has opened the door to making the public skeptical about their competence and to some, their motivations. For your mother's tutorial,

they're doing everything alright. The child was left in the car defense, they were what they were told. This is Kingston's great uncle, Amos Archie. She felt a lot of guilt. She felt guilt from the fact that she made the decision to go into the store and leave Kingston inside of the car with the car running. When she came out, it's my understanding that she noticed her car was pulling off and

she screamed to the deputy that was there, standing outside of his car near the door and actually took off behind the car. It isn't until 40 minutes later at 2.18am that the 2000 Silver Toyota Camry's tag information is relayed over the radio. I know that because I listened to over 18 hours of this audio. Hotel Yankee X-ray 7-8-3. Why did it take so long to get a vehicle's tag information? A further look into the details revealed an answer.

The car is not registered to the boy's mother, Ebony Archie, but instead a woman named Lillian Stevens from Houston, Texas. It is not clear what the relationship is between the boy's mother and the registered owner of the vehicle. But because there isn't a clear trail of information leading to the vehicle's registration, it takes precious time for authorities to determine exactly which silver Toyota canry this is. 7-8-3, hotel Yankee 8-8-7-8-3, take another second board, the pl program, the 49th, I 55 in the work at a seven year old male inside, laughing wearing a white shirt.

Can't you see it? Unless the lunch hour's going to be four, I think it five thousand. That's all the further we have. Roger, thank you. Two for the moon. You show Robert Homestead and Rath to to the after-to-after-have program." Ebony Archie had been out that night celebrating her birthday with her cousins.

She'd picked up Kingston late that night from another cousin who was babysitting while she was out. According to the family, she was picking up things she needed for the following day, which was Kingston's kindergarten graduation, and had only been down one aisle before returning outside to see the car with her boy speeding away. When this story broke on social media, dozens of strangers attacked the mother and the choices she had made that night.

Why was she out partying on a weeknight when her six-year-old had to be at school the next day? Why would she leave him in a running car past one o'clock in the morning in a grocery store supermarket? Some'clock in the morning in a grocery store supermarket? Some even went as far as to suggest that she had something to do with Kingston's disappearance. After all, the internet loves conspiracy theories, and the series of terrible mistakes by the police gave them weight and substance. Such as the question as to why the officer

made the decision he made. He was right there outside the Kruger, but decided to not immediately pursue the fleeing car and instead call it in a dispatch. Only to then waste 40 minutes looking for a tag number. Ebene stated that she told him my son, my son is in that car. And if she proceeded to run after the car. Perhaps those few minutes matter. And what we're saying is that you can't see a crime taking place and you have a car, a badge, and a gun,

and not try to apprehend. On a previous episode, we explained the genesis of the Amber Alert system and that it was created specifically to protect children by sending out immediate notifications to law enforcement, media, and the public, without a lot of bureaucratic hoops to jump through. However, the systems we as a society create are only as good as the people who implement them. The Amber Alert for Kingston Frazier wasn't issued until 428 AM, more than two and a half

hours later. The reason? According to Warren Strain, spokesman for the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation, his agency was not notified about the missing child until approximately 2.45 AM. He said he does not know why it took more than an hour for the Sheriff's Office to contact them. Strain and MBI received the final piece of information for the Amber Alert at 406 AM. The alert was issued 22 minutes later, because there was an app they had to download to complete it.

This is what an Amber Alert sounds like over police radio. The first one came through an hour later at 536 in the morning. Yes, that's a lot for below information, that's a lot for below information. They all look out for a stroller, a 10,000 silver Toyota Camry, four door, side to company hotel Yankee X-ray, 7A3, hotel Yankee X-7A3. Taking out the sector for the crobers with a six-year-old black male key separation in the back seat, glad thing wearing a white tank top and gacking pants.

Also wanting a connection with this film in the vehicle, it's going to be a silver two-door Honda Civic. Surveillance tape from the Kroger shows a silver two-door Honda Civic with at least two black men inside. One jumps out of the Honda and into the Camry before speeding off. A white van is also associated with the kidnapping, but is later excluded from possible involvement. A silver two-door Honda Civic note tag at this time has a dent on the rear passenger side of the tire. This vehicle is one in connection with the

child that was adopted in sector 4, up to 1000 Toyota Camry, Silver Epoly, time is now 5.30. For several agonizing hours, there is nothing but silence on the radio. occasionally momentarily interrupted by indecisurable police codes then silence again. I've identified more infective for me. I've identified as a 60-year-old black man named Kingston Frazier. I say wearing a white paint-prop and cacupance was infected with vehicles. At the time, this vehicle was taken again. Little Kingston is a black male. Six years old and age.

A box with three-eighteen8 in height with a very profound of my eyes and blood here. Then suddenly, a possible ray of hope. 10-4-23 possible meet complaining that the target 6-35-95 north, 6-36-5 north across the county live row, 55 North Cross Accounting I wrote, Reson PD, can I someone call to me and advise that the vehicle was stolen 2000, so you're the camera is back in at this location, Reson PD advised that they are in route, I'm going to show another view to make them. They receive a call saying that the vehicle was spotted at that location very loud.

What's the location? The temperature was 66.65, I said the temperature was 18. For a few minutes, it seems like they've found the camera. But then, I'm not going to be the vehicle. Therefore, everyone's going to slow it down. Our unit's going to slow it down. It's not going to be the vehicle. I know, that was the vehicle right now.

Therefore, it's going to be a gold Toyota camera. It's the wrong car. A gold Toyota camera, not silver. Time continues to tick away. I can't wait to see the results. I can't wait to see the results. I can't wait to see the results. I can't wait to see the results. I can't wait to see the results.

I can't wait to see the results. I can't wait to see the results. He was born in 1878. He was born in 1878. He was born in 1878. He was born in 1878. He was taken from president 49, I 55, nor there is a future of lightning, lightning, and lightning, and it's like a vehicle. He was born in a white tank top tank knee. He also on the lookout for a silver two door 100 city.

If a taxi can't take no tank in force this time, people have a vehicle on the rear side of the tire is connected to this out of the caliber of another curtain at the crores. Time now 6.45. The time is now 6.45 am, and there's still no sign of Kingston or either of the two vehicles. Hey, what's that other vehicle associated with that Toyota? That one. People with a film in color, two dollar Honda TV. It has a man's academy, can you a massive county tag on it, and it can't go like this time.

It has a hint on the rear passenger side, all of its tire, to have no further information at this time. Hour after agonizing hour goes by, until 9.23 a.m., when Jackson County Police Chief Lee Vance calls a press conference. This morning, I called you here because we are in the midst of a very urgent situation. I'm not only coming to the public and depressed this morning as the police chief, but as a father and a grandfather. We're going to need everybody under the sound of my voice to come together to help bring this situation to a resolution.

This morning we had six-year-old Kingston Frazier. He's a black meal child. He was last seen wearing a white tank top with khaki shorts. Black gold Jordans. Now he was abducted in a 2000 grey Toyota Camry. Tag number is h y x 7 8 3 hotel Yankee x ray 7 8 3. At this particular point we do not know where the camera is nor do we know where this six-year-old child is. So we need everybody's participation and helping us. We're looking for any information in the public that the public can provide as to the whereabouts of this child and this car. If you see something that remotely resembles the descriptions that I've given you, please contact police. Do not disregard it. let us know as soon as possible this particular incident took place early this morning somewhere around 2.30 o'clock this morning is getting

close to 9.30 in the morning right now that's a long time to have the lapsed without us finding either this car or this child so everybody under the sound of my voice, everybody in the metro area and beyond. And we're asking the media to flood the airways as much as you can with this information. So that everybody will be aware that we've got a six-year-old out there that's got to be desperate and terrified.

And we've got to find him and we've got to return him safely to his family. So we need your help. We need everybody's help. This is one particular effort that we've got to have. Everybody's conscious level high. It's an urgent situation. As time elapses, it becomes more urgent. So help us. I provided the media with the description of the, a picture of a young man and the description of what he had on. So we're just asking for your help.

Let's pull together as citizens, not only in Jackson, but the metro area and beyond. Let's find this child and let's get him back home safely. Is there any reason to believe that he may not be in Jackson or the metro area? I think he'd be out of state right now. I believe he's got to other agency that are on our border. That is absolutely possible.

We've issued the amber alert that goes beyond the borders of the state of Mississippi. At this particular point, he could be anywhere, but we're going to start here and work our way out. A joining jurisdiction has been notified and are assisting us. So we're doing everything that we know to do right now. But again, I want to make sure that everybody understands the gravity of this situation and that we pull together and find this child. Given that the car was probably the target, they probably were just trying to steal a car and that you guys have repeated fingers in that kind of category of

crime, what do you have to say to these guys that are the person that has the child right now knowing that they probably didn't want the child to begin with? Just return the child safely and really to be honest with you,'s what has me alarm the most is that we've had incidents like this to occur before and they will as soon as they realize a child or something is in the back they'll take that car park it somewhere and run away from it this has not happened yet that's what has us a very alarmed at this point because that has not occurred. Chief F. Who's at that point handling this investigation is that the high

kind of shows the problem because we do not see them here present. It's the FBI involved. Who is the lead for this investigation right now? Well, the Hans County Sheriff's Department is the lead agency, but quite honestly, this is beyond jurisdiction. The priority now is to find the six-year-old. And whatever resources that we have, or we can call upon, we will do so. We are assisting not only the Hans County Sheriff's Department,

but we are assisting the six-year-old who needs our help. So we'll hash out all the rest of that stuff later, but right now we gotta find this child. So when you talk more about, can you talk more about this, how does the picture that you put out to the media, as well as on the JPD Twitter page, considering the fact that before the kid napping,

you all stated that this stuff was possibly in this vehicle. What do you know about this car? That particular vehicle we believe may have been the vehicle that the suspects were traveling in when they went to steal the camera. But we have not confirmed it yet, but it's a possibility at this point. But right now, we don't believe that the child is in the Honda although we cannot discount that as a possibility. Can you give us an exact rundown of exactly what happened this morning as far as what's this car running with the mother present? Can you tell a clarification on that? Just a preliminary information that I've received so far I believe the mother went to

the store got out. The car was running and the door was unlocked, somebody jumped in and drove off with the child inside of the car. Under the circumstances you said in previous instances suspects will let go of the car, let go of the child, but this happened, happened just yet. Do we have any voters to believe that one of the suspects may know the child or is there any family that's involved or anything like that? Nothing that I've been made aware of concerning that. If we have some information like that that we need to pass on, we certainly will that we think may alter the course of this investigation.

But right now, as far as I know, we've got a child that's missing and the vehicle description that I've already provided. And for us, it's a very urgent situation. The media focuses in on the family, trying to get answers as to how this could have happened. Joining me right now is Kingston's uncle, Martin Archie. Good morning. Good morning. So just for starters, just kind of tell us how you're morning went, you know, when you

found out that your nephew was inside of that car. Well, I woke up to a phone call saying that get to Kroga, ace out, and I didn't know what was going on because my aunt, she was just hollering and crying. So when I got here, I come to realize that my nephew had been kidnapped, and the car had been stolen with him inside. So at that time, I didn't know what to think, but I won the way he is.

Or I won this, he trying to get away because Kingston is a very unique and smart kid. He was so looking forward to graduating on this morning at 10 and it's far as my family. Everybody is just sticking together trying to get through this. We just hope that whoever has him just please bring him back safe and don't harm. You can drop him off at a store, fire station, just whatever. We don't get, we don't care about the car at all.

We just always care about this Kingston. Again, Kingston was six years old. He was graduating today, going to the second grade. Correct. It's man. He was graduating from North Jackson Elementary.

Okay, and just again, what did you like to say that that person that has that has your nephew? Just please bring them back in no harm. Just please, he has a lot of people they love. During his press conference, police chief Vance does not explicitly exclude the mother from the police investigation, leading some of the public to begin speculating as to her possible involvement.

No, it's preliminary blood. Will the mother be facing anything for leaving that? I don't really know right now. And that's a fair question. But right now, we're not even thinking about that. We're just thinking about getting this kid back. How do you split into the family at all? I spoke with one person.

That's a member of the family, yes. What do they think? Basically the same thing. And we're saying here that they know their desperate at all. I spoke with one person as a member of the family. Yes. Basically the same thing that we're saying here that they know they're desperate and they want this child back and so we must all come together and make this happen. She's almost not going to do something like this. Well, I don't know for the most part it appears to me like it was like a crime opportunity. Usually these folks will just wait and see when somebody leaves their car running and unlocked and they'll just take advantage of the situation. Again, most times in the past, they were just as surprised to see a child left and there

is anybody else. So it may not have been an intended kidnapping, but an intended auto theft that turned into a kidnapping. Can I understand the high-kind sheriff's department they were supposed to be and they are in charge of controlling that Koga parking lot. I mean, what is this day about the high-kind sheriff's office? I don't know. That's something that you need to talk to the sheriff about.

What young kids do with these sweeps in those eyes? It doesn't really matter. I don't really know yet. My one and only concern this morning and coming to you in this particular manner, again, not only as the police chief, but as a father and a grandfather who actually has a five-year-old grandson,

I feel desperate that we haven't found this child yet. I'm very upset. And so we need to work together to find the child. Everything else we'll work it out. Everything else we'll explain it. Everything else we will review it. But right now, we to find a child. Everything else we'll work it out. Everything else we'll explain it. Everything else we will review it. But right now we gotta find this kid. While this press conference is underway,

police think they have found the vehicle. Near an abandoned golf course, named Brookwood Country Club. Right now, one of the people. Right now, one of the people. For this time, it's not saying we're gonna go to the vehicle and they tank you Hey, let's talk to the Honda that it was coming earlier. You say we're straining that you look for earlier

Hello back to me 96 Sincere units over to work with golf course. It's both beyond the episode unit out with that Kid that is vehicle since the US over there, J-13. I said before I happened to have a kid start rolling, but we'll go for it. I said, I'm on your camera. But once again, it's a false alarm. I'm in the area, man.

I don't see it, but there is a sales tower down there. You can have 13 to $4. That's why I'm now down there to Perl Downs in the area. 10-4, 2-0 242, 81022. You said the vehicle associated with December 11th. So your family is Ocelianti X-ray 783. Ocelianti X-ray 783 and the Whitehounders' Civic might be able to picture 361,

might be able to picture 361. then at 9.45 a.m. some chatter comes over the radio that reveals what has happened. So I'm in 293 and I'm in the real apartment. But I can't. And I'm in a hot. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. I'm not mistaken. This passes by as early as it was not with their undisputed. These folks were trying to make contact with the owner. I don't know how the owner is doing. I thought they were supposed to be looking up the street. They were going to show up. They came across radio problems and they were telling them to were out with the owner of the video, but they had a tape, and they went to the owner's house to get some more information about this situation.

Jimbo, appreciate it. Jimbo, I have some weird end damage on it. It's gonna have some weird end damage. So we are doing over a rear right bad weather prompt on the right side. Is the solar vehicle the Honda Civic? No, the steering lifts the Honda of the solar vehicle. Or if they got listed as the cameras from our understanding. It's the rest of the Madison County at a growth state, and that's where the child was found in a owner of the vehicle

that has the year's one-hour road to so their kind of needs for the information to get a real patient on them and go into a vehicle I guess. Madison County is just north of Hines County where the Kruger was located. Both cars were found on an unlit heavily forested service road near the state of Mississippi Lickard Distribution Center and Gluckstatt, just 14 miles north on I-55. Little Kingston never left the Camry. He was found there by police, but he was dead. Shot multiple times.

We purposely didn't tell you this until now, because we wanted you to feel the shock that Kingston's parents must have felt when they learned that their boy had been killed. Not from the sympathetic words of a detective, but instead by driving up to an impromptu press conference that morning, as police were reporting to the media that the child was dead before notifying the vehicle. We put out information earlier we had everyone on the lookout for this particular vehicle. The vehicle has been discovered here in Madison County on the look stand road, abandoned on the side of the road. We do have a seat subject in the back seat of the vehicle that we that we are identified as the missing

system for this particular time. It's under investigation. The cause of death appears to be at least one gunshot wound to the body. We can't advise any further. Right now, we don't have many answers for any questions at this time. We just update everyone on what's going on, where we are with this investigation. We will all work together we will follow up this investigation and bring someone to justice.

At this point is there any any idea of what the suspect might be? We don't have any suspect information at this time we're following up on leaves right now that's only thing that I can say we just wanted to update you all on what we have here based on the false information that has been put out thus far where we are right now. Can you tell us how you guys were able to find this vehicle? The Sheriff's Department of Master County received a call from a resident, a local resident here in Glutstad that saw the vehicle was aware of the amber alert that MBI had issued. the vehicle was aware of the amber alert that MBI had issued. Notify to us we had a deputy respond at that time. He discovered the vehicle and the deceased child at that time.

It's a very tragic incident, but I can assure you, Madison County, Frank County, High and County, Jack, and we all are going to work together. We're going to bring this individual to justice. You know, it's never a good day when something like this happens. Our hearts go out to the family. It's a three-row that's been blocked off for the purpose of the railroad track, but for all intent purposes it is dead in. How many suspects are you looking for? But for all intent purposes it is then in how many suspects are you looking for? We don't know a number at this time. We do know that at the time that the child was abducted there were at least two individuals At the federal location on 55

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Oh! Oh! It's a fire. Oh! Oh! Oh! So guys, it's very sad. So you're out here on the looks that rode in looks that Mississippi, the family just got word that this six-year-old

beautiful child, Kingston, is dead. So we'll be reporting on this story throughout the day for new information. So just stay tuned to WAPT, 16th, here in Jackson. Two mistakes are bad enough, not pursuing the stolen vehicle and to WAPT, 16th here in Jackson. Two mistakes are bad enough, not pursuing the stolen vehicle and not notifying the family. But it seems that law enforcement officials aren't done bungling this case.

Next, they simply outright lie about it. I start off by saying that many agencies have come together today in a tragic situation. Hines County Sheriff's Department, Jackson Police Department, the U.S. Marigal Service, Madison PD, Sheriff's Department here, FBI, numerous other agencies working in conjunction to solve a very tragic crime. We're going to let the members of those respective agencies where the incident started to solve a very tragic crime. We're gonna let the members of those respective agencies where the incident started and spilled over in other jurisdictions

and go event by event the best we can for you to continue what we do know at this time. We won't take any further questions at that time because we're still in the investigative process and we'll start that with Sheriff Mason. Notice the first thing that Heinz County Sheriff Victor Mason gets wrong is the time. He says they were notified around 2.30 a.m. despite the fact that we have police chatter audio from about an hour prior.

Well approximately probably around 2.30 this morning we had one of our deputies working at the Cobra. He witnessed a female coming out of the store and they made eye contact and she mentioned my cause missing. At that time, this deputy, as we say, drew a case number for the report because at that time we felt there was an auto theft. We say drew a case number for the report because at that time we felt it was an auto theft Not knowing at that Point it was a child in the back Once again here's the first mention of a missing child time stamped at approximately one 38 a.m In its vehicle additional from the purpose of life and 10 of seven year old Maybe in a stark contrast from what Sheriff Victor Mason is telling the press, who are eagerly scooping

this up with their portable recorders and broadcasting it. When we found out that later it was a child in the fact, we immediately notified the highway patrol to put out an envelope. And I think after that, that's when we turned it over to JPD. They took it from there. As I previously mentioned, the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation didn't hear about this case until 245 AM, an hour after it occurred.

Is this a cover-up or simply incompetence? The press conference skims over the details that even after the MBI was notified of the missing child, it still took until 428 AM, almost three hours later, until an amber alert was finally issued. At 2.45 AM, the head of special ops with the Department of Public Safety is notified, and the process to begin issuing the amber alert begins. It's a process that includes having the deputy download the Amber Alert application. After it's filled out, it

has to be signed by a supervisor then faxed or emailed to the Department of Public Safety. The process was completed by 406 AM and by 428 AM. The Amber Alert was activated. We've got manager Jones here to take BD data. Okay, we responded to that location to assist the highest county share department.

But what we were called in to believe that an auto death had occurred and a sissio child had been taken during the course of the auto death. We responded. We assisted we were able to obtain information, vehicle information during the course of our investigation. We ascertain that a silver Honda Civic had been used during the course of this incident as well. We were able to obtain information regarding this Honda Civic

through the course of our investigation. We obtained tag information, we were able to contact hate witness that had information regarding the last driver of this vehicle. We were able to identify the driver of this vehicle last night that information was broadcasted. And as you will learn later that individual was arrested and charged during the course of dissensed incident as well. So that's where we are right now and that's how we were able to assist with this investigation. That right there was Jackson Police Department commander Tyree Jones. Back in 2015, Commander Jones was suspended without pay, following an incident online, in which he used racial and religious slurs,

as well as comments regarding the female anatomy on his social media page. However, that wasn't the first or last time that Jones had been in hot water. In 2006, Jones and two other officers were accused of striking an 18-year-old suspect who was in custody after a standoff and foot pursuit. The incident was caught live on video. Earlier in 2006, Jones was charged with simple assault by threat in a dispute at a Rigelin restaurant and bar. In that incident, Jones and two other police officers, all off duty, allegedly scuffled with an on-duty Rigelin police officer, after an argument with a waitress over a bar tab. Jones was convicted of simple assault, but appealed the case and the conviction was later

overturned. Then last year, in June, Commander Jones was accused of sexual harassment by a former Jackson Police Department officer named Tina Biencini. In her complaint, she alleges that she had a consensual relationship with Jones, who was her superior. But once she ended the relationship in December of 2014, Jones retaliated against her by refusing to assist B&C in landing a promotion to the crime scene investigation department. A position he had allegedly promised her when they were still together.

B&C also alleges that her employment was conditioned on her willingness to have sex with Jones. Here's one of the alleged texts between Commander Jones and Officer Tina Biancini. Commander Jones, want you naked with your hair down? Hashtag sexy as hell. Really? LOL. Tina Biancini.

Maybe you need to stop and get a grapefruit. Commander Jones. LMAO, no way. So do I have some good dick? Big dick, painful dick, can fuck good or what? LOL. The complaint alleges that police officer Lee Vance was shown a picture of Commander Jones' penis, which he shrugged off. If you're starting to wonder what the hell is going on in Jackson, wait until you hear the rest of it. This accusation by former police officer Tina Biancini is part of a larger complaint that she filed once she was fired following a domestic violence dispute between her and Jackson

Mayor Tony Yarber's bodyguard, Aaron Allen. The two got into a shouting match at Allen's home in March of 2015. Tina Biancini's initial affidavit indicates that Allen choked her, broke two of her teeth, and tried to throw her out a window. Aaron Allen said she kicked him in the head and struck him in his arms, chest, and neck. In any case, according to Tina's complaint, the officers arriving at the scene only listen to Alan's complaints and not hers. According to those close to the case, the two were seeing each other at the time. So it's possible that Tina Biancini is just a crazy person that only dates co-workers

has bad breakups and then sues her former boyfriends for race discrimination and sexual harassment. Or there could be more to it. But the love fest in Mississippi continues. In August of last year, city attorney Monica Joyner had to recuse herself from the BNChini discrimination case. The reason?

Well, because she's engaged to Aaron Allen, of course. The man Tina got new fight with that led to her being fired. In this light, it's no wonder it took almost three hours to issue an amber alert. It seems like everyone in Jackson, Mississippi is preoccupied. You took a task, a six-year-old little boy, and healed him. When you could have just dropped him off, you could have left him there crowed. You could have dropped him off on the side of the street anywhere. He knew his mother's phone number.

He's there. We've been looking for him for that hour. We've been in every neighborhood in Jackson. We've been on that road, we've been behind bushes. We've been everywhere. He wasn't there. back rolls behind me. He was sad. Madam, you knew you had you make kings and he left a very lasting impression in your life. We'll get through it with the help of God and the help of the district support.

It broke me because I didn't know what to say. He understands but he doesn't understand and that's the hard part. My son, he woke up that morning, he was like, that's my friend Kingston and I said, are you sure? He was like, yeah. So it hit home to me because they were the same age. That could have been my baby. Because stuff happens all the time.

Just to, you know, to know that that's close to you is really heart-wrenching. They're born innocent and this world is horrible. Where, you know, it just destroys your chance in scenes. It's not hard to see why the public may be skeptical of Jackson authorities being able to achieve actual justice. By the afternoon of the following day, three suspects were arrested. 19-year-old Byron McBride, 17-year-old D'Alene Washington, and 17-year-old Duan Wakefield, a senior at Rigeland High School and the school's former

starting quarterback. McBride was the last suspect to be taken into custody, and he is being identified as the gunman by several media sources. However, it's irrelevant, because the murder was committed during the commission of a crime. All three young men will be charged with capital murder. That's how it works when you hang out with the wrong crowd. You end up charged with murder, even if you didn't pull the trigger. Stealing cars in the middle of the night with your buddies to be cool or look tough, it's pointless, and no matter what your background, upbringing

or skin color, the fact that a little boy lost his life, an innocent six-year-old, because of something so stupid, is what I suggest is the nature of evil. Putting yourself first. Putting your needs ahead of others. Living in your bubble, and not seeing the bigger, more important picture around you. Because two of the suspects are under 18, they are not eligible for the death penalty. However, that isn't the case with 19-year-old

Byron McBride, who police say is the shooter. McBride's father claims his son is innocent and walks up to a camera crew just outside the courthouse after the arrangement, to blame them. Hi, I'm an environment bride. I'm an environment bride, junior son. It's my son. I would like to thank Clash and Lesher for the picture that they posted of my son,

Bruce and better. I would like to thank them very unconcernately for putting that my son is the shooter before the case even started. I would like to thank the media for casting my son out. I went talk to a lawyer today. You know what just lawyer told me that I'll be wasting my money.

And his number he'll seek his duty even get started here and guarantee me he'll go in. Y'all have put my son not under the bus. Y'all put my son up on the board, those. He don't have a chance. No weapon, nothing is found on my son. How can you name my son out like this? It's wrong.

If you, I was out of town when I heard the message of my son, how can all of the world know that my son is a shooter at the second day my son is in jail. How? I want some answers. Claire and Lentus, since you can put that out on my child, will you please give me some answers? Thank you very much. Can you tell us what he told you what happened?

He didn't tell us anything. My son did not kill him, David. Thank you. Did not not killed, are you? But I don't go kill my son. I don't go kill my son. That's what you're going to do. Come on. I'll go kill my son.

I'll go kill my son. Go away. You got the boy. I'll go kill my son. Big brides seniors reaction is in stark contrast to little Kingston's great uncle Amos Archie's. How are you feeling just after seeing those three young men on that video this morning. Well, obviously, it's a sad story. You know, both families are, you know, it's not good for either family. It's a bad situation. You know, I pray for them. I'm praying for our family. We pray for the community, the state, the city.

It's just something that normally, you just don't see happen. When you see those young men on TV today on that screen, what crossed your mind? It's sad. It's a sad situation. You got three young men. I think two of them in school.

I just can't express my feelings simply because, you know, it's a sad situation from, like I said, ourselves and their families as well. That doesn't seem like she can barely stand up. Can you at least give me an idea of what she's going through? She's struggling. She lost her son. It's painful. It's painful for her mother, her father, and his parents as well. Her boyfriend, parents as well. That's the father of Kingston. So it's a painful situation.

It's painful for all our families. It's a sad situation. It's painful for all our families. It's a sad situation. We love Ebony Dealy. We love Kingston Dealy. It's just totally sad for the community. Like I said, the state, the city. And everything else that's involved in it. You're confident, Justice?

We will be done. Absolutely. That's, you know, we believe in God and we believe that justice is going to be done. And that's all we need to, you know, that's why we came here to support Evony and to see that the process take place. You're really happy with what came out of the courtroom this morning. Yes, we're pleased with it. We're pleased with everything that Judge did.

So we can't, we have no bad situation about that. I wonder, only one of them is eligible for death penalty. Do you care whether death or life happens here? If they're convicted. Well, no comments on that. Dwan's aunt is also interviewed on camera. And just before the interview, she tells the reporter not to, quote, switch up her words

and quote Don't say that to me look how I do things I ask you what you say on camera is what's on that's why I've been an over I always love how people say switch up your words you know how I'd have to switch up audio audio to make something different The advantage I have with the camera is your on. This is Lamabraiz better have a tandem. What's your name please? Roby. Roby R.B.Y. What's your relation? It's a Duane. I got you. You say to this. We're going to one. I don't think I could say I just pray for victims of Kingston and the no legit. We're gonna let God and the Jewish side on the man.

I mean, he's saying about the charges that he faces in his role or a ledger role. Yeah. Can you explain how you got implicated in this? Do you know how it happened? No. No idea. Can you tell me what got implicated in this? Do you know how to happen? No, no idea Can Tim look kind of guy he is? The sweetest he's the sweetest One harmfully Is an athlete I understand very great athlete who's playing football for the region

Can you tell me how you conducted himself his type of? Eli he is I Grace student great father great friend, it's a great person. He has a one-year-old either. Yes. Is this what's your relationship? It's a good relationship. I'm not far.

It's a good few. Yeah, how's that? What do we have such a... You worry whether justice will get served? In the grace of my sister, yes I do. For three African-American meals, yes I do. It looks kind of scary now, doesn't it? Because they say this is a heinous crime. Yes, it is.

You don't believe Duan did it? Not a shadow for doubt. Duan's father also offered condolences to Kingston's family, some of whom he says he knows personally. The Kingston family said they just want justice. They will pay for this dearly. When a reporter asked, what do you want to say to them? They said, you are going to die.

This case is still pending, so that's going to do it for this episode of Sword and Scale. We'll keep an eye on it in the future for updates. We hope you've enjoyed this episode, and thank you for your patience. We know we've been kind of preoccupied for a little while with all these other projects, but we're going to get right back to producing a plus episode for Patreon subscribers coming up real soon. Once again, don't forget to subscribe to Sword and Scale Rewind. Right now, before you forget, go to Apple Podcasts and search for Sword and Scale Rewind.

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