Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Ep 2: Will Young And Chris Sweeney

Episode Date: November 15, 2017

So for Ep 2 I thought it was only right and proper that I invite over my dear, dear family friend and awesome promo video director Chris Sweeney, along with his partner in podcast crime and Cabaret star Will Young, a.k.a. the Homo Sapiens boys!  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Jessie Ware. I'm Lenny, Jessie's mum. And this is Table Manners. Why is it table manners? I don't know, because it's very formal. And this is Table Manners. So, I had the, actually my friend had the idea that I should do a podcast. This was years ago. He said, you're so nosy that you should do a podcast this was years ago he said you're so nosy that you should do a podcast and I thought I racked my brains about what we should do and what should be original and what kept on coming back to me was dinner at my mum's and the fact that whenever I have a new friend or somebody I care about they get invited to my mum's my mum has to do the cooking I show off her cooking she shows off her brilliant hostess with the mostest skills and we talk for hours and then they're friends with my mum and

then they end up going to the theatre with my mum or going out for dinner on their own with my mother that's just how it works so food has always been a big deal in my family we've always eaten around the dinner table we've had fights there we've made up there it's always important so I thought I'd rope my mother into this podcast get her to basically cook the dinner every week and invite and invite a guest over to either my house or my mum's house and talk about food and family and loads of other things and the conversation can go wherever it fancies. But it basically reminds me of growing up in my mum's house and having the best conversations around a dinner table.

This week we have the pop star that is Will Young and Chris Sweeney, the filmmaker, who has directed two of my music videos, Nightlight and Champagne Kisses. He's also done amazing music videos for lots of other people like Foles and Paloma Faith and Will Young, and I think that's how they met each other, in fact.

And he's also a really, really good friend of the family. We met on an island in Greece called Skopelos, which we both got married in. Chris married his wonderful husband, Will, and I married Sam, and we've been going there and meeting each other ever since, well, how many years has it been? I think it's at least 24 years you've known Chris.

He's a dear, dear friend to the family. And he did nearly take your eye out. He did in the swimming pool. It was very interesting. They were really playing rough in the swimming pool and underwater Chris managed to elbow you in the eye.

You came out. We had to go to the health centre because you couldn't open your eye. The health centre put a sticking plaster on your eye the health centre put a sticking plaster on your eye and said you had a trauma you thought they told you you got a tumour and cried from one eye as we made our three-hour journey to Volos for it to be seen by a doctor with a fag in his mouth who took the plaster off and said you're fine go home but we're still friends yeah and we love chris and we are so excited to chat to will and chris about their amazing podcast

called homo sapiens that keeps on taking the world by storm mum what are you cooking tonight um i've done brisket cooked in co-Cola, a red coleslaw. Well, I did the red coleslaw. Yeah, I decided we were having it. Yeah, you did. And I've done tater kugel. It's like a big rosti in a cake. Basically, the format is supposed to be that the guest says what they quite like to eat and my mum, being such a good chef, can do that.

But basically, mum has thrown that format in the bin and little did I know that you were secretly texting him and you said he wants Friday night dinner, that's it. Come in from the... Hello Ridley. Yeah. This bell has been broken for ten years then. Sorry, I'm fucking starving as well. We're starving. He is coming. What's the, like, etiquette of starting without one? Oh, speak of the devil and... Sister, you're on loudspeaker. I'm here.

Davina. We're starving. Big Brother House, this is Davina. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being part of the podcast and... L'chaim. Welcome and l'chaim. L'chaim of the podcast and welcome and L'chaim. L'chaim. I feel like I need to basically explain, it's a pleasure that now I get to have, we get

to have Will in our house but we have loved you forever. We cried when you won the Procider. Many people did. I fist pumped and I cried. Roeddwn ni'n pwysig pan oedden ni'n cael yr idol pop-idol. Mae llawer o bobl wedi gwneud hyn. Roeddwn ni'n pwysig, roedden ni'n ei hoffi'n fawr. Ac i gyd, a'r holl cerddiau rydym yn eu cerdd, roeddwn i'n recordio, a gwnaethwn y cd-dlwc a'i roeddwn i'n ei roi i fy ffrind gorau, Alex. Roedden ni'n bwysig â chi. I'r pwynt bod fy mab yn gwneud i mi gyfansoddi am yr idol pop-idol nesaf,

oherwydd roedd hi'n meddwl fy mod i'n rhywbeth o ran... oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd oherwydd because she thought I was in for a chance because white middle-class could make it happen and we loved you so much that I had to go on when I was sitting like A-levels. I remember this. I don't get past the producers. I don't know what it was like. No. I sung, I sung, Until You Come Back To Me but like the Hill Street. That's what I sang. Oh for God's sake. That was my first. That's what I sang. Hill Street Soul version I did. The one that was in like the live version? I did like the arena version. Until you come back. Oh my god that's so weird! They were like, been there, done that. I sang that to the producers and I almost didn't get through. Well how did you? The person who is my friend now, it was, because you had, people don't know that do they? No. But you get like three rounds. You don't see Simon Cowell. Or even five rounds, the person making the tea, they'll get through. And then you get to the producer. So on the first round I sang, until you come back to me,

and she was literally lifting up Claire Howe, our name and Shane. She lives around the corner. And she was about to say no until I went to... And you sung out, oh, okay. Fuck. Well, they certainly said no to me. Can we bring it back to food for a second? Yeah.

So this is brisket cooked in Coca-Cola. And this is a potato kugel. Mum, what's a potato kugel? It's like a big rosti. Oh, it looks really good. It's basically real, like, comfort food. Yeah. It's a a bit rusty. Oh it looks really good. It's basically real like comfort food. It's a Jewish meal. Yeah, kind of.

Feed a cold, starve a fever. Yeah. Have you got a cold or a fever? I'll just say. I don't think I've got a fever because if I had a fever I wouldn't be hungry, would I? Can I ask you, well I kind of know this already with Chris, but like your family are a foodie family. your mother probably is one of the best cooks in the world. That's not true. Maybe she'll get her in for the pastry. Miss the incredible Ann Sweeney like your can you tell me what it was like in your

house with food and. We so... So my mum loves cooking. But she worked, didn't she, when you were young? She worked. Yeah, yeah, she always worked. But she... Growing up, we had a lot of mints with carrots and peas chopped in. She'll hate me for saying this.

We did, Lenny, it wasn't... But that was okay, wasn't it? No, no, but... That was like a stage... Deconstructed chef's pie. Yeah, and that was like quick and easy and quite cheap to feed children. But we love teasing her that she fed us

Findi's crispy pancakes all the time. So when I remember, we used to have them occasionally, but we'll be like, God, yeah, another frozen dinner. I remember those days. Just to wind her up. And then she'll do this thing where

we'll do this thing. When we were growing up, do you remember when the BSE mad cow disease crisis happened? And everyone started cooking minced turkey. Yeah, and we used to sit in the car being like, God, it's just such a shame that we're going to die now because you fed us so many Finder's crispy pancakes growing up. She was like, I did not, it was on an odd occasion

when I'd been working late. We were like, just all the time, you know, mum. It was just so, because she's such a, like, mother provider, it is really easy to wind her up. She is the best, cool. And this other thing I remember about being little with kids is if my sister had a friend round for dinner, when mum would, like, really kindly cook us a meal,

and it would be an amazing meal, and then she'd put it on the table and I'd just turn to my sister's friend and go, I'm so sorry, it's all we can afford. As a joke? You're such a mess. To annoy her. It was so much fun. She was like Christopher stop it that is not the case. Your mum's such a good cook. What do you think is her best dish? I can talk. Well I like Marbella chicken but I think you taught her that. I feel like we may have that on the podcast. No, she taught you, Mum. She taught me.

She taught you. Oh, I thought so. No. Yeah. Marbella chicken I love, which is olives. This is the best. What is it? Olives, sherry, chicken, bay leaves.

Is it dates or fruits? I nearly did. What? I nearly did. Capers. Fast chicken for you tonight. Oh, which one's that? The one I love?

Delia. What's it got in it? With the rice and the chorizo. Oh, yum did fast chicken for you tonight. Which one's that? The one I love? Delia. What's it got in it? With the rice and the chorizo and yeah, you love that. And the oranges. Yeah, that's the one I love. Yeah, you like that. You didn't get that. Sorry.

No, I didn't. I'll do it again. Yeah. But, um, yeah, your family were a foodie family. Well, it's like, it was like wholesome food, right? But I've always cooked every night for you. Roedd yn ymddangos fel... Roedd yn ymddangos fel bwysig. Ond rwyf bob nos yn coeillio i chi. Ac hyd yn oed pan mae Alex yma, rwyf yn meddwl bod gennym bwyd iawn. Ie, oherwydd...

Rwyf ddim yn cael pethau'n ddewis. Ond roedd eich tŷ bob tro yn bodoli'n fwyd haws ac roedd yn teimlo'n debyg iawn i mi oherwydd roedd yna bwyd gwych. Ie, mae'n un peth. Ond roedd eich tŷ bob tro yn fwy ymddygiadwy. because there was always nice food. Yeah, it's exactly the same. But more, your house was always way more adventurous. This house always had mates. I don't think so. Yeah, it was like, you were Ottolenghi before Ottolenghi. You were.

It was spices and things. Yeah, and pomegranate, et cetera. He got all excited. From you. No, Mum was more like traditional. But there's nothing wrong with that. Will, what's, I, because obviously I feel like I know you and I've known you forever but with your family. That's because I found you

in my cupboards. I found you in my larder. Can I ask you how growing up with food and your family, foodie family, like what's your earliest childhood food memory? So Annabelle Young is a very good cook. Who's Annabelle Young? She's my mum. Oh Annabelle Young! She sounds like a church with that name. I thought I'd never heard of her.

Annabelle Mary Jane Young. You know Annabelle Young, you come across her on the archers forums. Is she a fantastic cook? I think she's a fantastic cook. She had quite traditional parents and that would be like, we send you off to finishing school. So she can do all the French pastry? She was like a complete rebel.

I won't go into details because I don't know if you could include it. Like, she is... Still a bit of red tape. She still went off, which is so interesting. So they sent her off at, like, 16, 17. And so she went to Paris, and then she went down to... Like, did cordon bleu, like, stuff like that. Yeah, that's what you do in those days. So she's got all her old... Wow.

So you could get a good husband. She's got all the old... Oh, she failed there. No, I love my dad. She's got all her old recipe books in there, no I love my dad, she's got all her old recipe books in there, so like creme brulee. So my memories are chocolate mousse, that's her thing. So if we had big Sunday lunches, we'd have like Sunday lunch and then if people were coming then it would always be pom, what's it called? Tarte, tartepomme. Okay. Tartepomme and chocolate mousse and then that would be a special, it

would be like, oh she's making, mummy's making tartepomme and chocolate mousse. You know, and she's really good at doing like big, big spreads and big salads and then as she went through her phases, because she's a bit like a teenage girl who's just constantly in one cycle of being a teenager, and so she became a vegetarian, so then it was like, we eat vegetarian. When did she become a vegetarian? How old were you? That was one of her phases. Okay. I think we were...

My kind of girl. I think we were 12, yeah. We were 12. And so then she started cooking brilliant vegetarian. She really makes an effort. Does she still make an effort? Yeah. Yeah. I think I really appreciated it. I know my dad really appreciates it.

Now she's vegetarian again. Okay. Because of that thing. Simon. Simon Ansel has got a lot to answer for. And sort of other... There's been quite a few programmes, I think. Yeah, programmes I think. But she does make a real effort to, and I think it's definitely as a family, I think it was really important for us to have like good food and

good meals. Do you go home a lot? A fair amount, yeah. And I love it. Particularly Sunday, we'll always have Sunday lunch. Yeah, I love Sunday lunch. And that's like, even if it's just the two of them and I'm popping by for going past, you know, to go somewhere else, they'll still have a roast. But we would have Finder's crispy pancakes. Yeah. And we were allowed McDonald's very, like, once a year, but we weren't allowed to have McDonald's in the McDonald's. We had to take it back. Packed home! Knife and fork.

What's that about? That's silly. It's nice and cold. to take it back. Packed it home! Knife and fork! What's that about? It was nice and cold. I think that's like a thing. But she told me a story, remember, my grandmother, who was a good cook, she would really embarrass my mum because they'd go for holidays in the Isle of Wight and they'd go to have fish and chips

and then she'd ask for oil and vinegar in the cafe and then she'd try and mix and try and make salad dressing for the one piece of lettuce that you get. My mum was like this is the most embarrassing thing ever. But you know, yeah I think food's actually probably been more, I'm not a massive foodie. Are you not? No. So what do you eat? But weirdly I did, the stuff that I do cook are all things that my mum would cook and

they just sort of get into me by osmosis I think. What's your best dish that you can cook? I'm very good with a roast. Oh yeah, well what's your trick? Because I just shove it all in one dish. Like always continue to like baste the chicken constantly, constantly, constantly. Do you use butter or oil? Butter. Yeah butter and thyme. I don't know why I would do constantly. Do you use butter or oil? Butter.

Yeah, butter and thyme. I've just learnt, I don't know why I would do... Jamie Oliver. Rub it in with salt. Under the skin. Mmm. Yeah. Under the skin.

Yeah. And then potatoes, I'm still quite... I can't do the bloody... I can't get there. Goose-facked potatoes. You bash them though, don't you? Yes, bash them. And I love courgette puree, that's my favourite.

But also they grow... Oh, courgette puree. Yeah, because favourite. But also they grow, my dad's... Oh, courgette puree! Yeah, because my dad's, this is the other thing, he, I guess, he loves his vegetable garden. Always has. He lives in the country, right? So it's like fresh vegetables. That's so good.

I mean he's constantly, you know, you showed him some courgettes darling, I've got loads. I'm like, no I'm fine, you gave me about 12 pounds yesterday. So I think we do get feast or famine from the garden because once things grow, you have to bloody... But they're very country like that. I love that. Yeah, I love it as well. Seasonal. Yeah, I really like that.

Whereabouts do they live in? We're outside Hungerford in Berkshire. OK, Berkshire. And where did you go to university? Exeter. So did you come home at weekends? No. No. Yn Berkshire. Iawn, yn Berkshire. Iawn. A ble wnaethoch chi fynd i'r brifysgol? Yn Exeter. Felly, wnaethoch chi ddod yn ôl ar wythnosau? Nid.

Nid. Ond wedyn, rwy'n meddwl, rwyf wedi bod yn ysgol bwrddio am 10 mlynedd. Ie. Felly, nid oedd yna llawer o... Wnaethoch chi fynd gyda'ch frwydr? Ie. Beth oedd y bwyd yn ysgol bwrddio? Gwych.

Yn wir? Yn wir. Ac roedd fy ysgol preps yn lle ddiffygol iawn. Roedd yn rhoi PTSD i mi. Roedd yn ddifrifol. Roedd yn ddiffygol iawn. Ac roedd y bwyd yn ddiffygol. Yn fwyaf. Yn fwyaf. Yn fwyaf. Yn fwyaf. Yn fwyaf. And my prep school was, like, a really damaging place. You know, it gave me PTSD.

It was horrific, really abusive. And the food was awful. We used to get three boiled sweets on a Wednesday and a Saturday. Did you tell your mum and dad? Yeah, I don't think we... I just think it wasn't... It wasn't the underlining thing. I mean, they know now and they're furious.

I mean, my mum, like, if she sees one of the teachers, she has to, like, stop herself from killing him, you know. And I kind of think it'd be quite fun. I might just go for it, Annabelle. In the car park at Waitrose. If Sonia can represent her, she'll get off. Yeah, exactly. Did you go to Williamsport?

We thought it was a great thing. Your dad had gone and that was the way... We went because they'd both gone, but they didn't have much money. A ddodwch chi i bwysig? Roedden ni'n meddwl bod yn beth gwych. Oherwydd eich dad wedi mynd ac roedd hynny'n ffordd... Roedden ni'n mynd, oherwydd maen nhw wedi mynd i gyd, ond nid oedd ganddyn nhw llawer o arian. Felly roedd yn ymdrech iawn. Ie, ac roeddent yn meddwl eu bod yn gwneud eu gorau i chi. Ie, oherwydd roedden nhw wedi'i wneud. Ac mewn gwirionedd, rwy'n credu bod fy mam wedi hoffi ysgol. Oherwydd dydw i ddim yn gwybod os oedd fy mab yn... Roedd hi yn blant oed, roedd hi'n blant yn oedol. Roedd ei brofiad yn eu 40au.

Felly, fe wnaeth fy mab i'r ysgol ysgol oedol. O, mae'n dda. O, mydda. Ac nid oedd hi'n gweld... Felly, nid oedd hi'n tyfu i fyny mewn teulu. Nid oedd hi'n gwybod sut i fod â'i plant ei hun. Felly, roedd fy mam yn ysgol ysgol. Roedd hi'n hoffi.

Ond mae'n rhywbeth anodd nawr, dwi'n meddwl. Ond mae'r cyfarwyr ar y drws wedi anfon eu chweiledig oedol i' yn ysgol bwrdd. Roeddwn i'n ei hoffi. Ond mae'n rhywbeth anodd nawr i mi feddwl, ond mae'r cyfeirwyr ar y tu ôl wedi cymryd eu 8-ol yn ysgol bwrdd. Oh, nid oeddwn i'n gallu. Yn onest, dwi'n meddwl... Ac fe wnaethon nhw, fe wnaethon nhw, mae'n mynd i'r ysgol bwrdd. A fe wnaethon nhw, nid oedden nhw wedi dweud wrthi, fe wnaethon nhw, roedden ni'n rhy ddifrifol. Wel, rydych chi'n gwybod. Rwy'n dod yn sgoc.

Yn fath, mae'r 8-ol yn gweithio heb ei fanylion yno. Oh, mae'n ddyn iawn. Mae'n ddyn iawn. Rwy'n gobeithio bod pobl yn gweld pethau'n wahanol nawr. Fe fyddwn i'n teimlo'n anodd iawn bod yn ffrindiau. Mae'n ddyn iawn. Mae'n ddyn iawn. Mae'n ddyn iawn. Mae'n ddyn iawn. Mae'n ddyn iawn. I hope that people see things differently now. I would find it very difficult to be friends with someone if they sent their kids away.

Dad wanted to send you away darling. I stayed. Look at me now. He definitely wanted Anna away. Well we all did mum. Chris is good at hosting dinner parties. Yeah. You are and I like it. It's a chicken pie.

Very good. Your chicken pie really works darling. But the thing is, talking... Will gets everyone pissed. Yeah he does. He actually... Your husband, we have to differentiate, Chris has a husband called Will. And we went to the same school.

Oh did you? Yeah they did. Yeah. What secondary? Prep school. Yeah. I remember. Was he there from?

When they met, when Chris and, I'll call him William, met, I remember, didn't I say to you, I remember his family so clearly. They were one of the sort of families that really stood out to me because they were kind of normal. Yeah. There were lots of families that weren't normal. Kind of. You must have been the only person at prep school he didn't try and get it on with. He was having a whale of a time. Or maybe more boarding school. William was ysgol. Roedd William yn chwarae busgysau.

Pan ddod William i ffwrdd? Mae hynny wedi digwydd i fi. Rwy'n meddwl pan oedd hi'n 24 neu 25. Pryd oeddech chi'n gwybod? Rwy'n meddwl... Pan wnaeth e ddod i'r ffwrdd, pan oedd e wedi mynd i'r ysgol? Roedd hynny'n ymwneud â... Roedd fy mab yn dod i ffwrdd i fy mam.

Yn ystod cyn i'w fynd i'r brifysgol. Yn ystod oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl roedd e'n ystod yol oedd yn dod i'r brifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol.

Yn ystod y nos oed, roeddwn i'n meddwl mai dyna'r prifysgol oedd yn dod i'r prifysgol. Yn yst No, because you can point something to it. Yeah, and then he did come out. And then I said, are you sure? He said, I'm as sure as I can be, Mum. Because I didn't know what else to say. He got bullied and it was this thing, you're gay. And so he had to defend this thing that he didn't... And then you feel ashamed of it. It was just awful. From a young age. Yeah, his score was awful to him.

Kids, they were like, you're gay, why don't you come out? And it was like this, like, every day. It was just awful. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dda iawn. Roedd yn dweud, dylai pethau fel hyn ddim ddod i mewn i'r ysgol, y ffwrdd chwarae. Helo. Helo. Gwnaethwch, dyma'r lle y gallwch chi ddod â'r pethau hyn allan. Dwi'n gwybod. Wel, nid yw'n gallu bod yma i siarad amdano, ond a ydych chi'n meddwl bod hynny wedi'i effeithio arno? Gallwn ni ddiala i mewn.

Helo. Gallaf i ddod i'r ffwrdd cymryd. Dwi ddim yn gwybod beth... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod...

Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n gwybod... Dwi'n dweud, pan ddywedodd hi i mi, bod yn cymryd amser hir i fynd i'r grip. Ac mae hynny'n wir iawn i mi oherwydd... Mae hynny'n bwysig i fod yn onest. Rwy'n credu bod yn ddewis ei fod yn ei wneud ac roeddech chi'n gwybod y byddai'n byw yn fwy anodd. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n fwy anodd i'w wneud.

Ond roeddwn i'n mynd i fynd i fyny o'i gwmpas. Roedd yn cymryd amser hir i mi. Ac mewn gwirionedd, fe siaradais i'ch mam a dywedodd hi'r un peth. Y byddai'n iawn. Roedden ni i gyd yn teimlo bod yn iawn, ond mae'n rha'ch mam a dywedodd hi'r un peth. Yn iawn, yn iawn. Roedd yn iawn, rydyn ni i gyd yn teimlo bod yn iawn, ond mae'n rhaid i chi ddod â'ch ddechrau o'r amgylch. Beth yw hyn? Mae'n ddiddorol iawn, oherwydd roedd fy mab yn... Dwi'n credu, maen nhw'n hybrydol iawn. Ie.

Maen nhw'n mentol. Maen nhw'n mynd i'r cart e-arotig. Ond, a oedd ganddyn nhw i fynd i'r cart? Ie, roeddwn i'n anghyfforddus. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn iawn, ond roeddent yn hyderus iawn. Roeddwn i'n iawn, ie. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn iawn, ond roeddent yn hyderus iawn. Roeddwn i'n ddysgu. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddent yn hyderus iawn. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn. Roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl y byddai'n iawn, ond roeddwn fy ngwytio. Felly, mae'n debyg i blant ac... Ie, ac hefyd... A fyddai'r pethau fel ymdrech o HIV yn bwysig? Nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, nid, was him having, that's his private thoughts coming to, I think I was quite worried about

what Dad might say and say it was my fault. And actually he was absolutely brilliant, he was fine. Will, are you back in cabaret? Yes. When's it getting loud? With Louise. Yeah. Is she a fab dancer?

She's like, well yeah she is. She's kind of fab all round. Do you love her? She's gorgeous. Yeah, she's got... She's so pretty, she doesn't look her age. No, she's really good. She's worked so hard as well. I mean, she has worked... Oh, of course she can sing, can't she? She can sing the sh... I mean, she can't sing like you, but she sings the sh... She sings Light Of My Life, one of the best songs ever. Light of my life.

Is that... It was her solo material. Did she have a solo career? Was that Eternal? Yeah, babe. She left Eternal before everyone. Eternal. Who did Naked?

Was that Louise? Yeah. Naked. Louise. She's sworn to give me the catsuit and I literally am like, I want that catsuit. She goes, oh, I've got a ticket out of the garage. I'm like, I'll come round. It's fine. I'll help you, babe. I think suit. She goes, oh, I've got to get out of the garage.

I'm like, I'll come round. It's fine. I'll help you then. I think lots of gay men had a crush on Louise. I did. I think she was very... Why wouldn't her see me as a gay icon? But she was very friendly and accessible, you know what I mean? She's not kind.

Girl next door, but like buff girl next door. Yeah, she was very... And also she's Lewisham. I mean, I wouldn't fuck with her. Lewisham? She's not Essex? No, she very... And also she's Lewisham. I mean, I wouldn't fuck with her. Lewisham? She's not Essex? No, she's like, she's proper Lewisham, South London... You're kidding.

Yeah. If that comes out, she's like, people shouldn't get in my way. Can we finally just talk about the success of Homosapiens? Because I don't feel like we've touched on that enough. Are you, are you, I know this is a bit of a boring question, but are you surprised by how well received it's been? So our podcast is, we say it's Woman's Hour for an LGBT audience. So it's current affairs from an LGBTQ plus perspective. Yeah, it's very LGBT because there isn't any.

There isn't anything. And I, like, we both love Woman's Hour and we listen to it a lot and they did their 70 year anniversary and they said that they have to account for the fact that 40% of their listeners are men, so when they think of topics to talk about on Women's Hour, they actually have to cater for the men. I didn't realise that. And I think lots of people really like listening to Women's Hour that aren't women, because it shows current affairs, which everyone likes to to absorb but because they focus on women it ends up being a single person one person's perspective it gives

a personal perspective on Trump's America or what does Trump's America mean for women is then they end up talking to a specific person and you hear their story so we kind of decided we do the same thing so wanted to talk to for example Owen Jones who's a big political commentator but let's talk to him about his life what's his view of what it means to be an LGBT political commentator today and you know we talk about ideas a lot Will and I and we just sat down and recorded it about a week after we first had the idea and we never likeiadau, maen nhw'n eithaf low-fi. Ni ddim yn meddwl y byddai unrhyw un yn gwrando. Roedden ni'n meddwl y byddem yn ei wneud ac yn gweld beth sydd wedi digwydd.

Ie, dwi'n credu mai dyna'r ffordd gorau. Ond mae'r hyn sydd wedi digwydd yn dda iawn. Mae'n debyg iawn ac mae'n teimlo'n ddwyol natural. Rydych chi ddwy yn gwych gyda'i gilydd. Ond mae'n eithaf... Mae'n eithaf... Mae'n eithaf anodd, gan fod yn ymwneud â'r hyn sydd ar gynlluniau cyhoeddus, But like, is it quite demanding with it being about current affairs that you feel like you need to, like, now that it's gone quite well, are you now having to be like, shit, we need to like set up the next series? Like how many are you doing per series or is it just like a pair as you go kind of thing?

I was saying to you the other day, I think from rehearsals, I had to stop myself getting a bit over excited. Being like, right now I need to do this, now we need to do this, not I need to do this. We have this a lot. Seeing as this podcast is called Table Manners, can I ask if you have any terrible table manners? That you think... I don't like people snogging at the table. I agree with that one. It's disgusting. It's really annoying.

Who snogs at the table? People do. No, you admire them. Should I tell you a story about... I'm not going to name names because I really would love to write a hit with him one day.yfrifwr dda iawn yn America. Ac rwy'n credu ei bod wedi mynd allan i ddinas gyda fi ar ôl gyda'i gilydd. Ac mae fy ffrind o'n gilydd hefyd yn chyrifwr. Ac rydyn ni wedi mynd i'r lle hyfryd hwnnw yn Los Angeles.

Ac y... Beth oedden nhw'n ei enw? Y menywod o win. Ym, beth oedden nhw'n ei enw? Sommelier. Sommelier, ie. Sommelier yn dod dros ac yn dweud, wyt ti'n hoffi ceisio ceisio rhai win? Ac fe dweud, ie, gwych. Mae'n ei ddod ar gyfer y gynnyrch a'r... Mae'n ei ddod ar gyfer pawb arall ond

yn gofyn i'r cynhyrch ddewis. Mae'n... Dwi'n gwneud i chi ddim. Mae'n ei ddewis, yn ei ddewis i'w gynnyrch, fel bydder mab yn ffomio i'w blant, spits it into his girlfriend's mouth like a mother bird vomiting into their child, chick and she swallowed it and they're like, it's great, we'll take it. I was just like, is this romance? That's really odd. I didn't know what to do.

I kicked my friend under the table who was next to me and I was just, it felt they were having a lovely time. I think it was an early flirtation. Early flirtation? It was pretty awful. It was disgusting. Good aiming. Really good aiming.

They sound like they got it down to pass. It was disgusting. Whoa. But yeah, anyway. So yeah, I'm totally with you on the kissing. Mum, should we get dessert out? I had some pears, so I thought I'd make pear tart tatin but I've never made it before and I added some apples because it didn't look like it was enough there. Well I think that pears

are always a bit like they need a little kick sharpness with the apples amazing. I can't do puds darling. If you've got a lot of cream to douse it with. If I could do puds you'd have been fatter. Yeah true. I love how she said fatter. There fwy. Ie, yn wir. Rwy'n hoffi ei fod wedi dweud fwy fwy. Ie! Mae hi'n dechrau. Roedd hi'n dechrau, pan oeddwn i'n sâd, dweud, Gwlad, gael ychydig o crem ar ice cream. Mae'n gwneud i chi feddwl llawer gwell. Mae hynny'n bob amser o ran nid bod yn sâd.

Yn wir? Ie. Crem ar ice cream. Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad.

Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad. Gwlad ar ice cream. Gwlad ar ice cream. Gwlad ar ice cream. Gwlad ar ice cream. Gwlad ar ice cream. Gwlad ar ice cream. Isn't it the best? Cream on ice cream is a very underrated thing. It's sensational. Yeah.

It's the gift that keeps on giving. I didn't think I would combine the two. Try it. Cream on ice cream. It's not going to go wrong, is it? No. This is good, Mum. How is it good?

I don't know how. Those pears are delicious. It's a star anise. Look at him. Riddle. It's a lot of sugar. And a bit of pastry. Butter.

Is it butter? Mm-hmm. Mum, it's good. It is really good. It may not be the prettiest picture, but it's good. Story of my life. Guys, Chris, Will, thank you so much for coming round and basically being given food that you didn't ask for.

I hope you enjoyed it. But we enjoyed it. It was really nice. Thank you, darling. It's been an absolute pleasure. And we really enjoyed it. And I wish we could do a podcast with you enjoyed it. But we enjoyed it. It's been really nice. Thank you, darling. It's been an absolute pleasure and I wish we could do a podcast with you every week. Thank you so much, then. Thank you. The food was delicious.

Thank you so much, Jessie, for being the host for the night. Oh, please. I'm trying. I'm trying, Chrissie. Can you not just come back? Yeah, you can. Of course. It's nice to see you've got a cat.

Yeah, it's called Prince. After. Don't let. The legend. After Prince. But honestly, thanks and good luck with the homo sapiens. But, and also please just do another video for me please Chris. Mum, Will and Chris have just left.

That was really nice. How are you feeling? I'm fine. I loved that. I loved seeing them. I love Will and I love Chris and it was fun seeing them. I haven't seen Will since Chris's wedding. That

tart to tan was really good mum. Thank you darling. First time. We'll do it again. That was really good. Good. I feel like maybe you could go in to bake off. Will Young actually washed up with Vycal. And I thought I had a lot of limescale. Bless him, he was helping.

No. But why is Vycal? He was squirting the Vycal. It looked good. That was fine. It looked clean. Yeah. Also.

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