Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - Ep 3: Joe Dempsie And Daniel Kaluuya

Episode Date: November 22, 2017

Game Of Thrones, dieting for sex scenes, Christmas in Uganda... It all went off when GOT's "porno blacksmith" Joe Dempsie and Daniel "Get Out" Kaluuya joined me and mum for dinner. Love those boys! xxx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, this is Jessie Ware and this is my mum Lenny. Hi. And this is Table Manners, our podcast about food, family, friends and wherever the conversation will lead us. How are you mum? I'm fine Jess. What's wrong with your voice? I sound worse than I am, but just a bit of a croaky voice. And the show must go on?

I have to, as a professional. For your fans. For my fans. Excuse me. What? Those red onions are nearly killing me. Do you think we could open the door just ever so slightly? Sorry, just to introduce my diva mother.

And her boyfriend's a teetotaler. Yeah. So he had a non-alcoholic gin and tonic and guess what they put in it? Alcohol. Frozen peas. What? And they all bubbled up when the tonic started bubbling, so all the peas were going round. Why did they have to put frozen peas in a non-alcoholic drink? I don't know, it's kind of vegetarian-y. I don't know if I's kind of vegetarian-y. I don't know if I should bring up the fact that, you know, you asked me to do the pudding.

Yeah. You didn't. I didn't do one. Why? Because I didn't have time. I could have bought one. Well, I got back LaVar off Kingston Road and some ice cream. I'm sure the boys will be happy with it. I've got cream to put on the ice cream. Everything's hunky-dory. I thought she was going to kill me. I was supposed to do a yoghurt cake, a morrow yoghurt cake. I'm sure the boys will be happy with it. I've got cream to put on the ice cream. Perfect. Everything's hunky-dory.

I thought she was going to kill me. I was supposed to do a yoghurt cake, a morrow yoghurt cake. I'm really sorry. She's really easy. Yeah, I know, but you're a much better person than me. And a better cook, so apologies. I bought pudding tonight. Mum, should I tell you who's on the show tonight?

Who's on? Okay, so we have two friends of mine. They're quite new friends. Yeah. One's called Daniel Kaluuya. Yes. You saw him in Blue Orange. I loved Blue Orange.

There we go. It was the best. Yeah, well, he's coming. With David Hague. Yeah. We should've got David Hague in as well. We don't need David Hague. Okay.

Because we've got Joe Dempsey. I love him. And actually, Joe Dempsey is the one that I put my sister, Hannah, your daughter, on a date with in LA. Are you recording this? Yeah. It's a bit short. So tonight we have Daniel Kaluuya and Joe Dempsey,

and I met them at a Chanel dinner. And I don't really go to fashion parties, but I went. I think I went for the dinner because I knew it was at Chiltern Firehouse. And we ended up being on an awkward table together. And thank God, because I absolutely love them. They're brilliant. And they've become friends. I'm a huge fan of Daniel.

He was so wonderful. Because most people want to talk to him about Get Out. I've never seen that. Well, it's really good. I've just seen Blue Orange. Well, yeah yeah he's you know he's a thesp they both are so daniel what's what's joe been joe's in game of thrones i've never seen that well most people have i think everybody in the world yeah me uh he was

in skins with daniel where they were in skins that channel 4 program okay really young yeah he was also in this is england i've seen that. Is that with Vicky McKeown? Yeah, and he was in the recent series of that. And they're just absolutely brilliant actors and really nice guys. And Joe lives in South London. Daniel lives in West London now with his vegan girlfriend,

which you'd love to talk about, I'm sure. I've got a lot to talk about with vegans. But'll really enjoy them they're polite and gorgeous and I'm still kind of hoping that Jo and Hannah are my sister gets together so mum what are you a bit intimidated by cooking for stars of this magnitude no you didn't know who they were i didn't know who they were for a start no i didn't worry the the priority was to get something that i could bring over in a pot so we've ended up with a greek beef stafado it does taste and i could have just cooked you could have done but you've not done not even managed the dessert no sorry mama it's hard work yeah it's okay i do work too um but so I've made beef stafado which is just a classic beef greek beef stew with also pasta and a greek salad and I think it will do the job on a rainy

evening. It's pretty miserable to that so yeah thank you mum. Someone has just snuck around the corner and Daniel Cleer, you are early, but that is perfect. I love an early guest. Hello, welcome, thank you for being here. My reputation for being late will be ripped to shreds. Are you a late person? I'm such a late person. Well, I'm really happy

you're so eager to be here. I just really have. I was excited. I'm really excited about it. I mean, Joe has given me a text to say he is going to be late and I know Joe is very worried about being late. He'll be very nervous about being late. Joe's told me off about being late. No one tells me off.

I can't stand late people. Why? Because I just think make more of an effort. If you know you're a late person, then go early. Yeah. But there's no problem here. You were early. I was early.

I sensed that from you. So I was like, I don't really want a vibe to be... I'm good, though. I'm good, though. Sorry, the kettle is on for the orzo pasta. But I just need to rewind a little bit. OK. So you're born in... Brought up in Camden. Yeah. And then did you go to university?

No. So when did you start acting? 13. Was that Skins? No, no, no. I started acting, my mum just wanted me to get off the roads. Stopped doing silliness. Which school were you at? Havasu? Aloysius.

Aloysius. Aloysius, it's North London. So just getting me off the roads to keep doing stuff. So I went to Scouts as a kid, so she made sure I did stuff. So I wasn't hanging around. So then I think all the teachers were like, he's a busy kid and annoying, so he should do acting. Then I went to Anna Share, which is in A&G.

Oh, yeah. And you just learn how to act through improv. Because a lot of the kids, a lot of us couldn't really read out loud, so we had problems because we just weren't exposed to literature. And honestly, my mum, English is her third language. So, first is Luganda, and then second is Swahili,

then it's English, because she's from Uganda. So then you have the Ugandan language, or the Buganda tribe language, then you have the East African language, then she learnt English. So when she came to English, she learnt English. So you communicate in different ways. So it was really important that I learnt how to act through improv.

But improv, I found it... When I used to go to, like, after-school acting clubs and stuff... Where did you go? Nowhere, like, you would have gone. I think I was in, like, Bright Sparks in Streatham, and it was just not that bright. And it was just the most scary thing, doing improv. It's the hardest thing.

It's the hardest thing in the world, because all Anna Sher is filled of is people from the estates, yeah? Oh, really? And so you're sitting there and then they're literally going, so you're there two in a scene and they go, first line, why did you do that? Go. And literally, if you're rubbish,

people just go on their phone. Snakes those times, play snakes. Or they'll just laugh at you because you're crap. And so it was the biggest learning. Like the industry is not as hard as acting in front of people at that age as well when you don't even like, you're like, ah, ah, I don't know. And then like, you're just trying to make things up.

So I did that for like three years. But you must have loved it because you kept on going back. Yeah, it was like a challenge to make them listen. So did you finish school? I finished sixth form, yeah. I finished sixth form. So you got A levels. I got A levels, yeah. I don't know, I was doing skins. You were going to go to university? I got into drama school. Which one did you get into? Guildhall. Fantastic. But you didn't fancy it? I got asked to write for skins. I got asked to write for skins and then I was like, oh, I'm going to gonna take that and then they were like, they can defer your audition so you can get to the last round.

And I was like, I'm just gonna keep doing this. So you didn't go to drama school to go and work on the Channel 4 programme, Skins? Yeah. Were you already working on it? I was already working on it but they asked me to write an episode. So you were already acting in it? Yeah. So when did you start acting in it?

Seventeen. So you've basically been doing Anna Shuffer for four years and then you got your first... Was that your first acting job? No, first was this show called Shoot the Messenger. It was a BBC Two show and the original title of the show was called Fuck Black People. What?! And it was about this black guy who was a teacher. And it was about this black guy who is a teacher and he got this kid, I played the friend of the kid, this kid basically got his, lied in court and got him taken off, said he hit

him, lost his job and then he's basically gone on a rant, David Oyelowo played the lead, he's gone on a rant saying everything bad in my life has happened because of black people and it's about basically how black people see themselves and it was this it was a time when they used to do TV movies so it was just a one-off from BBC Two. Wow. So I did that and played a kid in that and then I was still at school and then there was an open audition for Skins but then I was writing plays and directing them at Hampstead Theatre so. At the age of what like? 16, 17. Wow. So I was doing that. Were you part of the National Youth Theatre? I was at Hampstead Theatre.

They had a thing called Heat and Light. So they had a youth theatre company that was free that I used to go. Oh shit. Sorry. Open the... I hate this bloody kitchen. This fucking kitchen. Jessie, stop.

Sorry. I've already set it off today with cheesy leeks for my kids, so... Come on, let's put this on. Whilst Mum deals with the orzo and the fire alarm, was your family a foodie family? Yeah, I grew up on home-cooked food. What was, like, a typical home-cooked meal for your family? Er, my mum... I love my mum's oxtail.

Oxtail stew. I love my mum's mushy peas, she makes this mushy peas, it's amazing. It's like a mushy pea sauce and rice and she cooks chicken and it's amazing. And then there's kawunga, which is like ground rice, which is like mashed up rice and it's like, it's a Ugandan staple. And then you basically have it with like peanut sauce and you can have like tilapia in a peanut sauce and the peanut sauce is like purple and it's like you have it like that. Why is the peanut sauce purple? Because the peanuts in Uganda are purple.

Oh. I think yeah and it's just purple. It's always purple. And then, and then, matoke. But I'm not crazy about matoke. Matoke is mashed up plantain. So just mashed up plantain. Just mashed up plantain? Yeah, you mash up Ugandan plantain and you have,

and then you put it, and you're supposed to cook it in leaves and then push it in and then it makes it really fresh. This sounds delicious. You have that with meat stew or lamb. So would it be like, in a family dinner, would it be lots of different dishes? But the Matoke, what's it called? Matoke. Matoke, that's the ground... No, the kaw how much you're showing off. What's it called? Motoki.

Motoki, that's the ground... No, the kawunga is the ground rice. I like the kawunga. Would that be like the base? That'd be like the base, and then you have sauces, and then you put the sauce in there, and then you have... And you dip it into everything.

Well, we have to discuss that you go out with a beautiful woman that's now a vegan, so how does that work for your mother cooking for her? She like, my mum like, she came round to my mum's, you know. My mum's, if she does something nice, she's not going to be nice. OK. So she's like, oh, vegan. Oh, I put some butter in it.

Oh, OK, OK, be careful, be careful. It maybe tells the truth. So she's just like clowning her. And like, my mum, my girl's really stupid. So she's just like clowning her. And like, my girl's really cool. So she gets it. But then a lot of like African food is very... So hold on, your mum will cook with butter? No, no, no. She's just laughing. No, she's just laughing, right.

I put some butter in it. Because I think my mum actually would cook with the butter and be like, fuck them. Maybe. And then, yeah, she's really cool. She's really cool. But then a lot of like, so there's like a bean sauce that my mum cooks. It's vegan. Like there's a lot of food that's vegan. If you like have peanut sauce without the fish. If you've got to look at it, like when my mum grew up, meat was a luxury.

Yes. So you'd have to make the most of the resources that you have around you. So meat was like, oh my God. And you'd share like one piece between like 11 siblings or whatever. Have you been to Uganda? Yeah, I've been like, I've been 7, 15, 22. But I used to go six weeks at a time, which I used to hate because then I miss out on a six weeks holiday. And I'd be like, oh this stuff's happening mum, and I'm gonna be this African boy.

And when you do, you're gonna stay in the streets. And then they'll leave the roads. It's just crap Do you know what I mean? But like you've got two sisters there? Two sisters, yeah Are they older? One's older than me, one's younger than me

Do they ever come and see you? No, I don't really... it's a bit It's a situation It's a situation Got it, got it Is your dad... I'm from the hood baby Okay, got it My dad, no he's not around He's not around anymore It's a situation. It's a situation. Got it. Got it. Is your dad? I'm from the hood, baby.

Okay. Got it. Got it. My dad, no, he's not around. He's not around anymore. Okay. Yeah. And what does, does your mum work?

Yeah, yeah. What does she do? She works in a special needs school. Oh, right. In Camden, yeah. So nobody's an actor in your, basically nobody's an actor in your family? No, no, I just did it random. Your mum must be so proud.

She, I think she said it the other day, we went, she was in Chicago. What were you doing in Chicago? I was doing this film called Widows. Is it, it's not out yet? No, it's Steve McQueen's, Steve McQueen's next film, so I'm doing that. So I did that, and then like, so he's out there, and then like, when I was 16, my mum took me to Chicago, so she was just like, you've taken me now. Oh sweet. She was just like you've taken me now she mean and she was just like she she she can never say it directly she was just like ah I was at a shop one time and I was telling that person why I was here and then they said oh you should be very proud and I said yes I am and then she hugged me it's

kind of like this indirect but it's like she can't really... Chicago, yeah, I mean... Yeah, and it's really good food. It's amazing. My sister, who's an actress who we will get on to because I set her up with Joe. My mum knows everything. OK, that's amazing. She's looking forward to meeting him.

But I've never seen Game of Thrones. That's OK. You'll probably be very thankful for that. Because everyone probably asks about Game of Thrones. Aren't they all funny people in Game of Thrones? Well, okay. We'll probably be very thankful for that. Because everyone probably asks about Game of Thrones. Aren't they all funny people in Game of Thrones? Well, they're actors, Mum. No, aren't they all funny? They're not like real people, they're like aliens. Because what's the main girl called?

Daenerys Targaryen. That's it. Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons. Because it's now one of the popular names in England. Shut up. Khaleesi's a popular name. Or Daenerys, Khaleesi. All of the Game of Thrones names are now being used. Well, no, that is so funny. No, actually, my publisher said that he lives in Brixton and he said that

he dropped, there was obviously a kid that got dropped off at school and they said, bye, Theon. Now, if you've watched Game of Thrones, Theon gets his dick chopped off and he was a bit of a dick after season two. Imagine, they thought he was like a killer, absolutely macho man in the first series and they were like, we'll call our child Theon. Now that kid's like dickless, basically.

I think it's a real shame for him. Yeah, anyway. No, you don't have to worry about Game of Thrones. We can talk about Hannah. Has he been in anything else? Yeah, he'll tell you. Yeah, anyway. No, you don't have to worry about getting friends. We can talk about Hannah. Has he been in anything else? Yeah, he'll tell you. Yeah, I just want to make sure. He's really nice.

I know he'll be really nice. He's a legend. He's a legend. He's really nice. He's just been in something. Which football team do you support? Mum, you don't want to know this. Arsenal.

Arsenal. Fuck. What are you, Tottenham? No. Man U? Why? Manchester. Why? Manchester. Yeah, she lost the accent though, didn't she?

Oh, here he is, Tardy. Hi. Oh, someone late, someone late. I'm tired of him. I'm tired of him. He was 15 minutes early. This is ridiculous. I thought he was going to be wearing like, in fur.

Yeah, I try not to sort of walk around looking like a sort of porno blacksmith. He's basically a porno blacksmith. Yeah, but... Is that what you are? I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno.

I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in a porno. I've never seen you in sort of porno blacksmith. He's basically a porno blacksmith. Is that what you are? I've never seen it, I'm so sorry. This is my mum, Lenny. Hi, I'm so pleased to meet you. Do you want a drink?

A glass of water isn't it? Do you want a beer? So, Joe Dempsey's here. We've caught up with Daniel a little bit, but Joe was late, but it's okay, he gave me a text. So, are you Skins alumni? Yes. That's where we met and fell in love. Yeah. And how long have you been friends for? Ten years.

Still going strong? Yeah, man. Somehow. They adore each other, they're looking gay longingly into each other's eyes. Nando's friends kept us together. Everyone on Skins has done really well, haven't they? I remember you saying, when we were coming towards the end of the second series, and we'd all been told that they were going to completely change, refresh the cast,

and we were doing a few behind, sort of behind the scenes interviews. Jack Clough actually was doing the interviews. He's the guy that now directs and produces People Just Do Nothing. Oh, cool. So he's that voice you can hear off camera. Oh, really? That's Jack.

And he was doing sort of behind the scenes interviews with us all, sort of getting our thoughts on, you know, the experience as a whole. And I remember Dan saying, I think the question was, what do you want Skins' legacy to be? And you said, I just want to be able to look back in 10 years' time and go, what a cast,

like, what a group of people. And not just cast, like, everyone involved, like, you know, Jack's doing really well now. Jack Thorne, who wrote a lot of it, has just written the Harry Potter play with JK. Oh, wow. His first TV was on the skins.

Is Game of Thrones finished now? No, we've got another series. We're going to start filming the last series in about a month's time. And where do you film it? The majority is Belfast, actually. I love Belfast. I think it's... I mean, actually the... Because I sort of had three series out of Game of Thrones and in the intervening years,

going back to shoot series seven, one of the big things I noticed was how Belfast had changed. There's so much going on there now. There's a lot of, loads of cool bars and restaurants. There's food. Yeah, loads of nice places to eat. When you started, wasn't it like that? There was culture and gigs. I've never been to Belfast. It's a funny place.

It had it there, but it seemed a little, past a certain time of night it felt really quiet like seven years ago. Do you think Game Crimes has really helped it out? I think it has, I think it's brought a lot of tourism. It's such a funny place because it's so kind of traditional. My dad's from Belfast but my dad was Jewish so he wasn't Christian, he wasn't Catholic or Proud. But Jesse's dad used to make lots of programmes in Ireland and so I took them, we took them once. But always when you went out to a really fancy restaurant they'd always have their milk and sugar on the table

for the cup of tea afterwards because you always have to have a cup of tea to finish off the day. That's quite a good Northern Irish accent there. You know, I didn't know my dad had a Northern Irish accent. I just thought that's how dads taught. They said modern and patron. Are your family a foodie family? OK, so I only realised when I moved out of my mum and dad's house that I was essentially raised on bird's eye. No, I thought that was normal.

I don't think it is to a certain extent. What was your best bird's eye meal? Oh God, the crunchy garlic chicken. Oh, I don't even know about that. I don't think they make it anymore. Was it like a Kiev? It was like a Kiev but without all the juicy bits. The garlic-y thing.

It was just like a crunchy breaded chicken. Was it chicken nugget? I liked chicken dipper. I still do like a chicken dipper. I tried to make chicken dipper, excuse me, chicken dippers for my kid the other day and she literally, she's doing this thing where she looks at me and she just goes and drops it on the floor. Mic drop. I was so annoyed. I thought fuck you, you're going to get a bird's eye next.

Is she getting to that age where she's developing a personality now? A palate. Well, she's stubborn and she's a madam, but she's brilliant. She eats my mum's food, but I slave away. But she just wants egg, that's all she eats, egg. It's really upsetting me. I'm giving up on cooking for her, but anyway. So can you cook?

Not really, no. This is the thing i enjoy i enjoy really good food i like going out to two nice restaurants i've got a friend you know lunny you know it's like a massive foodie and he'll often sort of book it's good to have one of them he's a good organizer as well he likes to he's a control freak and he so he will book holidays for like groups of us and you know it's going to be really good because he likes to impress you with the places he's found. So yeah, I like eating good food

but I don't necessarily think of it as fun to come home. Like he comes home and spends three hours cooking a meal and sees that as fun and I just don't. And if we have a sort of training for anything, you're just eating for just, it's just functional. Well I remember when you were doing Blue Orange and we went to see you, you, had you just finished doing, was it Get Out that you were trying to get a good bod for? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no sugar, no salt.

Yeah, and you, no sugar, no salt. So that was your dance. Because I went Sundance and I got smashed. Yeah. Then there was this topless scene in Get Out. I was like, oh my God. But it was at the end of the shoot and I just, my friend, our friend George, Ashwell at 22 Training, was just like, Daniel, just cut everything.

No sugar, no salt, no carbs. How did you do it for him? That too much. And did you get ripped? Yeah, I got lean. I just get lean. So basically I got so lean. And I couldn't train as much because I was unsettled,

and it was going over. So you had to diet? Yeah, I had to just diet and just kind of, so I couldn't get bigger. And so I had to just make sure the fat weren't about. But you did look good. The topless scene was very good. I actually, I think I applauded the screen

because I thought, yeah, no sugar, no carbs, diet work. When you do training, because you were training for Game of Thrones, but you didn't have to be naked, did you? You had one sex scene. It was dimly lit. You're opening a can of worms here, Jessica. When I first got the part in Thrones,

I was surprised to get it in the first place because I didn't fit the brief in any way, shape or form. It's a tall muscular with thick black hair. Like not a single one. You have thick hair? Thick hair. Yeah that was it. That was it. That was literally it. And so yeah so they said I got the part and then they said yeah well you're going to need to hit the gym and we'll dye your hair.

Did they say that to you? Did they say it to men too? Yeah they do but... Are they arseholes? No not really. But you're gonna do it for the party? But it is, that was the thing, that was the brief in a way. You're both skinny boys. You don't say that, you say slender. Sorry, slender. Slim. Lean. You mean hench don't you? Hench.

Fully hench. Buff. You mean hench don't you? Fully hench. Buff. That's it. Buff is really good. You're not fat people or people that look more remote. I think for women it's more there is a pressure on them to slim down. I think for guys sometimes it's this thing where everyone has to be ripped and buff. I did this role. It's kind of boring.

I did this role when I had to lose three stone in three months. Well, I lost three stone in three months. Shit. How did you do it? I just skipped every night. Skipped every night and then just had no red meat. No red meat. Oh, wow.

But I was boxing. I was boxing like three times a week. What was this role? It was a play called Sucker Punch. It was a role call. Oh, yeah. So I had to get, I got ripped. So there is that kind of? It was a play called Sucker Punch, it was a real cool. Oh yeah! So I did that, so I had to get, I got ripped. So there is that kind of...

It was frightening. It was like, like, it was like... Because I had to be a lightweight. Oh, okay. So I'm a big boy naturally. So getting to like 11 stone is actually hard for me. Were you miserable? Or were you quite impressed with how you could change your body?

I was, but I don't like being paranoid about food. Do you know what I mean? It's like there's sores. It was just like, I just want to eat it. I want to have a balance. And I realised I don't care about six packs. I had to do that. Do you know what I mean?

And I realised that... Now I know when I go to festivals, everyone's got their top off. Because it's fucking hard work. I was like, yo, fucking let out. Fucking worked on you. That was right. Last year on Game of Thrones they'd said, they'd said, oh, I'm just giving you a heads up, you know, you might want to hit the gym again, you know,

you're going to have a shirtless scene. Yeah. And so I did. And then the scripts came through and there was no, there was no shirtless scene. Did you think it was another sex scene? Well, I didn't know what the context was going to be, but in the past I've said, you know,

I'm really against needlessly gratuitous nudity, and then this time around I was like, you'd better fucking put up a time frame. Do you like spicy stuff? A little bit, but not too spicy, because it just burns. Yeah. What's your go-to in Nando's?

Because obviously you love each other. You obviously went to Nando's quite a lot. A black card! No. Why not? You have to do a bloody gig, I just won't do it. I'll tell you why. Why?

It must be about seven or eight years ago now. Because it was when Skin Series 2 was coming out. And so we obviously have to obviously you remember this now so we obviously when the show is coming out you have to do various bits and pieces of promo and and at the time uh i don't know if you remember lily allen had a very like a fairly short-lived talk show no i don't remember that actually it was called lily allen and friends and the the premise was it was was the audience was filled with her MySpace friends because you know she was like big on, huge on MySpace. So we're on the talk show and part of the thing is a researcher calls you beforehand and asks you some questions and one of the questions is, okay, if you

could have one thing on your rider that we could feasibly get hold of, what would it be? And I'd said Nando's hot sauce, like peri-peri sauce. And it forms part of the interview later on when you're on the show. And she says, we get to that part of the interview, she goes, okay, and you've chosen Nando's hot sauce. It's a good shout. I like a Nando's myself and I started telling this story and caught myself like just as I started telling it and then she

went what you're gonna take me and I thought I can't and I thought I can't have her thinking I'm cracking onto it on her own TV show I've got it she said I went she went I don't mind the Nando's myself. And I went, oh, well, actually, and then I stopped myself because I realised I shouldn't have been telling this story on television. And then, but then I had to just press on. Yeah. And it was at the time, do you remember when Nando's used to have, the loyalty cards had stamps? No.

Oh, my God, yeah, go on. Well, I bought a stamp off eBay. I freaking love you. You did? I had. And I had, at any given point, I had, like, three... I had, like, every level of chicken, like, in my pocket, basically, whether I wanted half or a whole or whatever.

And I said it, and I said this on the programme. I've given you so much food, by the way. I'm so sorry. Jessie, I didn't say you had so much food. I know. I'm so sorry. You just can take it home. But go on, finish the story, sorry.

So essentially, yeah, I told that story on television. And then a friend of mine who was working in Nando's in Nottingham at the time said, you do realise that that sort of filtered back to head office and they knew that these stamps existed, but now that you've publicised them, they're pissed off, man. Apparently they were told not to accept any loyalty cards from me specifically in Rando's Nottingham. No! Hilarious, innit? You ruined it for everybody.

That's why they're electronic now, I reckon I did that for you. Oh my god, that's so good! That's brilliant. And that's why I don't have a black card, Justin. Did it feel like too good to be true that you started with skins in it? Was there like, was there a depression after that finished or did you just keep on working solidly? Because I can imagine that was an amazing high, being a teenager and being like on one

of the biggest TV shows. I think it was, for me it was sort of the opposite in that I, yeah we finished it and I think we could all have been forgiven for thinking that we'd made it. It was going to be easy from here on in. And the reality was that it wasn't. But somehow, I don't know how it came to be this way, but we've all as a group seemed to develop the same mentality. We didn't just want to take the next job that came along that was offered. I spent nearly two years essentially being, the only work that was coming my way was essentially asking me to just play the same character again. But

we've all been quite headstrong about that and sort of turned it down and said no. So I didn't really work for, I didn't really do anything significant for about two years after Skins. It's very rare when you meet a group of people that all have the same kind of philosophy of kind of like it's about the work you believe you know and it's like so when Dempsey, so obviously Dempsey we call him Daddy Demps because he was like 19 when he started Skins. I was like 19 and they were 17. So how did you just left home? Moving to Bristol to do Skins was the first time I'd moved out.

And you too Dan? I didn't really move to Bristol. I came in and out. So I stayed in and then I was writing on it as well. Because I wasn't in it as much. I was only supposed to be in it for one episode. And then they wrote me in more. And where did you stay in Bristol? I remember first year they said, well you can stay in a hotel or they said they could maybe get you guys a flat to share.

Because there was only really me, you, Nick, Holt and Dev Patel that weren't from Bristol anyway. All the rest of them were Bristol natives and they were just going to stay at home. And I remember thinking, oh, maybe a flat would be good. And then my agent said, look, sounds like a good idea now, but you don't know these people yet. And if you're having all day working with them, going back to sharing a flat with them might be tricky. Get a hotel for now. Did the hotel, had a great time. Got on really well. We all did. And then the next year they offered us a flat again. And I think we just, well, we don't have to make our own bed.

We're just staying in the Marriott in Bristol. I forgot that Nicholas Holt was in it. Yeah. He was like the, you know, that was a big selling point, I think, of the show. I think it was a big success. Of course, because he was in About Boys. He's grown up in a couple of years.

What's he doing now? He does quite serious films, right? X of years. What's he doing now? He does quite serious films, right? X-Men. He's a film like X-Men at the moment. Rebel in the Rye. Is he the one that went out with Jennifer Lawrence? Yeah, alright, okay, man, go there.

Sorry, he's catching up. But he's, yeah, he just played J.D. Salinger. Oh, wow. He didn't. Yeah, right, he's about to come out. Did you see Lion with Deb Baddell? Yeah, it was amazing. That was blood, I sobbed in the air watching that.

I watched it on my own in the play. It's one of those perfect playing films where you're sobbing so much that you can't look, you have to look out the window. It was quite an intense experience for my mum watching Lion because she was married when she was younger to someone else and they couldn't conceive for whatever reason and she, they adopted two orphans from India, from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Mumbai. So I have two older sisters that look Indian but they've grown up, you know, they were

toddlers and my mum brought them over here. So for my mum watching Lion, it was incredibly close to home. So your mum adopted two daughters? Two orphans. Were they sisters? They're not sisters, not biological. And that was from her previous marriage? Yes. You've got your sister and you?

And have you got another one or not? No, it's just me and Lauren, my little sister. Do you see them a lot? Where do they live? One lives in Milton Keynes, Glamour, and one lives in Hertfordshire, so not far. They've got their own kids now. So where will you spend Christmas? Nottingham this year.

For years we never spent Christmas at our house because my mum's side are in Liverpool, my dad's side are Edinburgh. So it was always one or the other. So it's really nice now to just stay in Nottingham. And what will you do for Christmas? What will I... Will you do a... I don't really, not anymore. My mum goes to Uganda, I go, oh, just chill out, don't cook.

I just go, yeah, just chill out and get cooked for. But I've been to Uganda for Christmas and that was amazing. What was that like? It was the most, it was my favourite Christmas. Because you wake up and all day we went to church, I can be honest. And then you just wake up and there's like a buffet of all this Ugandan food. Pick your food and all the men go in one room and all the women go in another room. And the women just watch rom-coms and the men play PlayStation.

And it was literally like... And that was your perfect. But it was like your great-granddad was playing PlayStation with your little cousin. And it was like, say if I wanted to ask my mum something, they were like, get out, go away, like... And it was just literally just a day of your sex. Like, it was just like... And you just be a man.

But I realised that it was like, I didn't have to be in flipping John Lewis on Christmas Eve. Do you know what I mean? Like, worrying. There was no presents. It was just about spending time as a family. And it was just a really kind of, it was really, it was just existing.

It was amazing. Can I ask you, have you got any pet peeves about table manners? Do you think you have good table manners? Do you think, what's your worst any pet peeves about table manners? Do you think you have good table manners? Do you think, what's your worst thing about other people's table manners? I went to primary school and I thought you ate with your hands, so I don't have table manners. I'd go there and people were like, what are you doing?

There's cutlery there. I was like, so I don't really mind. It's at school, like breathalysing, like people speak over my food, It's at school, like, breathalysing. Like, people speak over my food, it's a bit... Oh, breathalysing. Yeah, so it's like, other than that, I'm pretty chill. OK. Joe? No, I mean, I kind of, like, Dan, I'm not... I probably do a lot of stuff that pisses people off.

Like, I remember an ex-girlfriend of mine saying... Ex? I, like, I was... Yeah, it didn't work out that. Because I will like, I don't mind like licking a knife. Oh, no, I don't either, but amongst friends. That's apparently a big, that's a bit of a folk art. Like, would you do it in a restaurant? Yeah.

Fair enough. I blatantly lick a plate. I lick a plate. Would you lick it in a restaurant? No, no, no. Would you do your finger? Do the finger swipe? Yeah, I'd do that. I lick a plate. Would you lick it in a restaurant? No, no, no. Would you do your finger? Do the finger swipe? Yeah, I'd do that.

I'd do that too. My husband thinks I'm disgusting. Your worst habit is you eat quicker than anybody else. Mum, I learnt from the best, so watch what you say. Here you go. Mum's brought cream, just in case you want cream on your ice cream. It's one of the things that we quite like to do. It's quite extra.

Cream on ice cream? Yeah. It's really good. It's almost like, I remember my dad's side of the family are Edinburgh based, you know, like Scotland's famous for having a bad diet. I remember going up there once and staying at my auntie's house and I was babysitting for my, I was going to babysit my sister while my mum, dad, aunt and uncle went out for dinner. My auntie was making me some food before they all went. She said, I've made you some carbonara.

Is that all right? I was like, yeah, lovely. I love carbonara. And then she went, do you want to order yourself a Domino's to go with that? I was like, yeah. Yeah, of course I do. Scottish diet for you.

So yeah, cream on ice cream. Joe and Daniel, thanks so much for being on Table Manners thank you for coming around, thank you for eating our food thanks for the food such a pleasure weren't they lovely? I was just mad about them both of them were so bright

engaging, intelligent they just blew me away. They were so lovely. I feel like a bit of an idiot that I didn't speak to Daniel about Black Mirror or Get Out. I didn't even know about them until I looked it up. And then I saw how fantastic he is. And just such nice, humble, really sweet boys.

Yeah. I knew you'd like them. I knew it. I still think that Joe would be a good suitor for Hannah. I think you should stop matchmaking and mixing it all up,

Jessie. Alright, fine. Meddling the enter. Yeah. By the way, if you've been enjoying the music that you've been listening to

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