Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S10 Ep 13: Gemma Arterton

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

The greatest compliment I have ever received is that my doppelgänger is this week's guest Gemma Arterton, so obviously I discussed that with her, as well as our shared love of marmite and peanut butter and how we both have a sister called Hannah. Gemma tells us about growing up in Gravesend, eating Yak, her love of baking, filming in the Nepalese mountains & cheese being her one true love.Gemma stars in Black Narcissus which airs on BBC1 on Christmas Day so make sure you tune in! Enjoy! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Tabor Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with mum on a Zoom. Hi darling, I just got the most lovely present in the post. What? A guide to Yiddish, the Yiddish kitchen. Ah! So I'm really excited. The title is So Eat My Darling, A Guide to the Yiddish Kitchen. It's so old and it's got all little Yiddish proverbs in it. Oh amazing!

It's really sweet, yeah. The front cover looks so unappetising. I know. The inside is very unappetising too. But it's quite funny. It's well written. Well, do you want to know

what I've been up to this evening? Just before we, this guest that is, you know, a bit of a siren and some people have always said that, you know, me and her can look quite similar. Yeah. But I've been doing a knit treatment on my hair because my daughter has had knits three times

this hair i want to shave it off anyway we've got jemma artiton on the show tonight who actually did have to shave her head she didn't well i don't know if she shaved her head well she's a nun in this new bbc mini drama called black narcissus oh a lot goes on under a wimple darling she's like a sexy nun i don't think she's supposed to be sexy well i'm not going to give anything away i watched the first episode it looks like it's been shot on film i want to ask her if it's been shot on film anyway we've been wanting to have jemma artiton on for a very long time and i'm pretty gutted that I'm not going to be able to see... She's not coming to the house.

Yeah. I wanted a photo with her. I did too. But to be fair, I quite like everyone thinking that we look the same when we don't really. So if we were right next to each other in a photo, maybe it would really show up the fact that I look nothing like Gemma Arterton. But yeah, Gemma Arterton, you know, you've seen her in Tamara Drew, which I really loved.

St Trinian's Prince of Persia, when I love that she brought her mate over to be the personal trainer because they said she needed to get a personal trainer. She was like, okay, I'll fly somebody out. And she brought over her best mate to come, which I just think is the best story ever of Hollywood. So she's brilliant.

Mum, is this our first Bond girl? Yes. I want to hear what it's like to snog Pierce. No, she wasn't with Pierce. She was with Daniel Craig. Oh, I'd have preferred Pierce. Be a bit more fun. Anyway. I bet Pierce would have done tongue. Jesus, Mum. The delightful Gemma Arterton coming up on TableMap. Gemma Arterton, we finally meet. Not in person. It's been a while. It has been a while.

Well, it's been a while us trying to get you. We've been discussing this for, I think, a good few years. And finally, we we have you it's annoying that I'm not getting to see the person that everyone says I look like so much which is the greatest compliment in the world I can tell you right now you are a siren Jessie it's the same thing I've had the same thing where people have told me that I look like you and I'm like I love her so much must be having a bad day you're very sweet oh come on you're gorgeous don't you also have a sister called Hannah yes yes I do snap it's really weird isn't it have you got a brother no unfortunately not shame you have a brother obviously yeah just do it mum Get it over and done with. No, no, no, it's fine.

I'm going to hold back. Oh, he's a doctor. He's a doctor. Oh, Gemma, you knew. Thank you. Big up. Doctors saving lives and being the best. How are you, Gemma?

I mean, it's quite nifty that you've got a few things coming out at the end of the year. It's nifty. When did you finish filming Black... And I'm going to say, is it Narcissus? Because you kind of say it like that of the year. It's nifty. When did you finish filming Black? And I'm going to say, is it Narcissus? Because you kind of say it like that in the thing. That's very exotic, Jessie, the way you said it.

Just Narcissus. Narcissus. All right, fine. Black Narcissus. Narcissus. So when did you stop filming it? And where did you film it? We finished filming it at Christmas of last year.

So like the two days before Christmas. And we filmed it in Nepal and Pinewood Studios in London god it feels like a lifetime ago because you know it was amazing we were in Nepal this time last year in the Himalayas yeah was it wonderful absolutely incredible one of if not the most beautiful place I've ever been in my life. It was just so pure. It took us two and a half days to get to the final destination where we were filming. Crikey.

Which was just completely remote. There was hardly any, you know, modern amenities. It was just the nature. It was incredibly stunning. And just feel very lucky to have been able to go now now that we've been stuck in forever for most of the year did you eat well in nepal do you know we actually did we weren't expecting to because we'd been told you know you've got to watch out deli belly and all of that and bring your imodium but where we stayed um which was like um a traveler's

lodge it was absolutely stunning so that they can't grow that much up there because it's so high the altitude's so high um so the food is mostly it's very basic you eat a lot of yak up there um they they had a place called yak donald's which we all got very excited about yeah and you can have yak burgers and yak butter yak milk which is really lovely but also a lot of um really beautiful like garlic soups and a lot of like lovely dals very spicy nepalese food and it was like really just had gorgeous food and one of the places we were staying in they had one of those pits where you sit around and you put a blanket over the table because it's freezing cold obviously it's you know the top of a mountain and all your feet are all toasty by the pit of the fire and

then you're eating around it was just gorgeous and we were yeah we ate really well I was very surprised and no problems oh good oh good it's really really thank you for clarifying I just want to know what does yak taste like well I didn't actually eat the yak because I don't tell I do eat a bit of meat but I tend not to and I had met a yak on the first day of filming we had two yaks on set a black yak and a white yak it's quite hard to say and they were so sweet that then I just thought I can't I just couldn't possibly eat a yak but yak butter and yak milk is lovely it's sort sort of, it doesn't taste sort of like, I don't know, it just tastes like regular, I guess they're not that far away from cows.

Are they bovine? They are bovine. I've just looked at a picture. They look a bit like a hairy bull, don't they? Yeah, lots of hair, lots of sort of long hair, a long haired bull, I'd say. Do they make cheese from it as well? They do, yeah.

We had some yak cheese as well. But in Yak Donald's you have Yak Burger and Yak Cheese. And it's quite well known this place, Yak Donald's. People come from all over the world to go there. It's very bizarre. Just to say you've been there. I wanted to ask, with the filming of Black Narcissus it really felt like it was shot on film and it felt almost like it had that tension of don't

look now a film like that where there was all the silences and it felt really kind of yeah like it was beautifully shot but it kind of they aged it in a way treated it and graded it that it felt like it had this kind of older timeless quality about it which was really interesting well the director was also the director of photography and she's amazing she's called charlotta bruce christensen and she wanted to shoot on film but she wasn't allowed and so i think her aim standard but i think her aim was to create something that like hearkened basically there's a film called Black Narcissus that's a classic film from 1947 and won Oscars for cinematography and was groundbreaking and is like Scorsese's favorite film and so I think we

had a lot to live up to in terms of the cinematography um so I think yeah she she did want to pay tribute to that film but at the same time make it her take on it and also I think the storytelling is is very um we well we kept referencing like Bergman because there's a lot of these is a psychological thriller really and a lot of the drama is inside the characters and in the silences and so a lot of our references were the kind of Bergman films like Persona and so yeah it's good that you noticed that in the what you saw no it was brilliant and you also have a film coming out what is the film yeah have you got the king or something the king's man the king's man the king's man yes when's it coming out. What is the film? Yeah. Have you got, The King or something? The King's Man.

The King's Man. The King's Man. Yes. When's it coming out? King's Man. I think it comes out in February. So Black Narcissus is in, Christmas Day,

I believe. Oh, lovely. So I think there's three episodes. So it's, I think it's the first episode's on Christmas Day. So hopefully you won't fall asleep after your Christmas dinner, watching it.

No, you, you are amazing in it you look beautiful even with a skinhead babe it really suits you did you cut your hair i i shaved the underneath and the sides god and so i had this weird weird hairstyle for a very i still am growing it out actually i've got like short bits all over the place I didn't shave the whole lot off they had amazing people doing wigs and things like that but um yeah I loved wearing the habit though it suited you loved it did you why I just loved how it's sort of quite beautiful actually our one was white it frames your face but it was very um simple and it just all it does is it takes everything away so you haven't got any ears you haven't got you know you can't everything's constricted but it sort of frames you and I loved

wearing it and also it was quite you haven't really got anywhere to hide in terms of you know acting because there's no hair or there's you know there's nothing you can fiddle with you can't kind of so it was quite blunt but I loved it loved it I miss it miss that habit I want to know what it was like growing up where did you grow up and what were you and your sister Hannah eating around the dinner table so we grew up in uh Kent in Gravesend um now made famous because Laura from Bake Off is also from Gravesend and she talks about it all the time oh lovely Laura blonde Laura yeah she went to school with my sister apparently did she yes so yeah we were raised by my mum predominantly who was a trained chef but in the late 70s early 80s and she found it to be an absolutely horrific job at the time for women and so trained

and then gave it all up and then became sort of adverse to cooking and sort of a bit scarred by the whole experience so we sort of grew up you know she would cook for us but it would be sort of reluctant or um there were a few dishes that she you you know, did that we loved, like macaroni and cheese and things like that. But it wasn't a big part of our lives growing up food, really. It wasn't until I kind of left drama school and when I was like, you know, young adult that I started getting interested in cooking. We did have, you know, family meals and things like that, but it wasn't ever, you know, a big thing in our household, which I I'm sort of a bit sad about because when I listen to your show, I think, God, you had amazing, you know, obviously you're such an incredible cook. Well, both of you are. But it was just it just wasn't really part of our upbringing. So do you think that was because of her visceral reaction to just feeling so kind of destroyed by the industry?

I think so. I think she was a natural cook and she grew up in a household with four other siblings. So there were five of them and she cooked every night for the family. So she was raised cooking and then sort of naturally went into that as a profession. And then sort of naturally went into that as a profession. And she wanted to be like a patissier, like a pastry chef. And she did have a cake making company while we were kids. You know, she did birthday cakes and wedding cakes and things like that. So I remember her cooking.

But because she did have a really hard time in the chef industry at that time, and she was very young, and it it's very very different to how it is now I think it's obviously it's still very competitive and very exhausting and long hours and all of that but I think she particularly didn't enjoy it so I think cooking for her became this sort of thing that she'd do as a well I have to do it rather than as an enjoyable thing which is such a shame because she was gifted at it and I think she associated it with having to cook and yeah and she learned some real like she's her skills that she learned are so like of the 70s as well like you know the French style of cooking and she still remembers all of that stuff but again it's it's not an enjoyable thing for her and she did teach us like baking because that's the thing that I really enjoy doing now is baking and

I think I learned that as a kid from her which she did teach me how to make cakes and pastries and whatnot what else is getting you through lockdown food wise takeaway wise yes so we do have we have our sort of takeaway once a week really like as a treat and there's this place called motu which is like the best indian it's so good and so we have that once a week um my husband is a really good cook and he basically mostly cooks i do the odd meal which is never as good as what he does um I do do sometimes make bakes and things like that but it's uh in terms of getting through stuff I paint and I've been doing this amazing fine art course oh wow I've been doing that thank god are you doing it online no I go to this place in Battersea called the London Fine Arts Studio and I've been

learning basically like you know I've always drawn and painted but never had any sort of real technique so I started doing that and I absolutely love it and it's been completely come at the right time during lockdown I was supposed to be I did start doing that course online but then I ended up going into the atelier to do it which is a totally different experience because you get to paint from life and work with sitters and you know just even being around people even though we're all like socially distanced and all that just being in that sort of atelier environment is really it's so lovely I don't know if this is common knowledge because my friend told me no I think it is

you're going to be Dusty Springfield yeah apparently I am yes yes this is the best surely this is the greatest role you will ever have in your life surely this is amazing you're going to sing you're a great singer you're gonna you're gonna do everything this is amazing I know I'm kind of a bit um a bit terrified of it but at the same time like really excited um it won't be sort of like Bohemian Rhapsody or Rocketman it's not that kind of so what is it going to be it's much more intimate and it's about Dusty's a specific moment in her life when she made Dusty in Memphis and she went to America for the first time and and you know did that amazing incredible album and defied everybody's expectations because she was this kind of you know big singer from England who was doing these big massive

ballads very dramatic stuff Burt Bacharach stuff and then went to Memphis and started singing you know stuff that was written for Aretha Franklin and like killed it but doubted herself though didn't she yeah massively and it's really it's about her and you know she was gay and didn't uh she was out she wasn't hiding it she was gay and proud but she you know she um I think one of the reasons she moved to America was to kind of escape that scrutiny from the UK British press and so it's really it's about her this very specific moment in her life when she was really at the top of her game creatively where she felt she was the most creative but at the same time doubting herself as you do when you're going through like really massive creative processes and at the same time it's about um dealing with her love life in in that sphere and and there's

so much stuff that I've read and learned about her that is so fascinating like for example she she moved to America to escape the press and live this sort of more relaxed life I guess living in LA and um she wrecked her voice absolutely wrecked it uh from smoking and booze and fags and drugs and everything and sort of you know her career kind of just slid away from her in the 70s and it didn't really come back until the 80s when she you work with pet shop boys and so there was this sort of really bleak time in the 70s where she was absolutely broke kind of on drugs and a wreck and she used to um she used to go into drag clubs and do dusty springfield acts in like dusty springfield competitions and pretend to be Dusty. You're joking.

In order to win like $100 or $50 or something. And sometimes she didn't win. Oh my God, that's amazing. Sometimes. But she'd be like, you know, doing like lip sync for your life kind of thing as Dusty and people would be like, no, no, no, no. She hasn't got it. I just love it. And she would laugh at herself about it you know she was

very funny and very um eccentric and uh that's the side of her that I think is really interesting this kind of comedic side and the fact that she was very sarcastic and sardonic and she couldn't could laugh at herself but it was very very troubled as well but yeah so i've it's it's you know like how these things go like it's been going through different um variations over the last few years but yeah i really hope it happens and i get to do it and i get to do it justice i seen her voice. Oh, I bet you will. You know, whatever. We'll see. I want to know what your, what would be the dish that Gemma Arterton would make for everyone? I'm presuming it would be potentially a cake.

Yeah. What's the cake that Gemma Arterton would make for everyone? Well, it probably isn't a showstopper, but it is a tasty cake. I'd make a lemon meringue tart. a showstopper but it is a tasty cake I'd make a lemon meringue tart um a really really zesty lemon curd crunchy pastry and lots and lots of meringue I also really like a gypsy tart which is a Kentish tart and it was done on bake-off this year but didn't go well um and I always thought if I ever went on there I'd do that because it's a sort of it's such a guilty pleasure tart it's just basically loads of brown sugar and condensed milk and it tastes amazing um a gypsy tart yeah and and what would be your

your last supper before going off to the desert island or before you go off to shoot your dusty springfield biopic um mini series um you know maybe it's not a mini series um but um you're going off what is going to be your starter your main your pudding and your drink of choice i think it would be a cheese on toast i don't really mind about starters um i do like really good bread like a beautiful grainy sourdoughy bread with loads of cheddar cheese like really strong cheddar Worcester sauce grilled a little bit of a skin on top that oh my god that is for me the best food ever ever ever cheese on toast I can relate to that I love cheese yeah as well I think it's great it just is my happy food I know there's loads of stuff that I love but that is the stuff that

gets me like oh yes does it make you sleepless though because my husband had cheese last night with you mum and he was in it like up all night just couldn't sleep it made him he thinks it was the cheese that made him an insomniac last night no they do say that though they say cheese gives you nightmares i know i know that for myself i can't eat too late or drink too late because i suffer from like insomnia so if i or or drink drink too late that's it like my body just can't deal with it and but cheese some people can some people can't but um yeah cheese I've heard it just but you go to bed late or early no I go to bed at the same time every day I have to otherwise um it's I've got like a rhythm now that I have to live with but yeah it's it's sometimes

I can't sleep and that's okay so what do you do when you can't sleep? Do you just get up? Yeah, yeah. I get up. I've got like things I do. I get up. I make a little like hot milk drink. I maybe do a bit of yoga, but like gentle, nothing major. And then read.

And then that usually, if I get a bit sleepy, then I usually drift off then. The worst thing I can do is lay there and fret. No, hopeless. Jessie does not suffer with insomnia. Jessie could sleep sitting here now. Oh, it's so lucky. I know. Pudding.

I want to know what your pudding is and your drink of choice, Gemma. I don't know. I think it might be something warming, like a, I don't know, like a apple crumble with warm custard, something like that. Like lots of crumble.

Or a tart tatin with custard, I think. You're going to have to come round and eat with us, Gemma. Definitely. Do you do a tart tatin? You did a really good one the other day. And Simon Rogan, actually, we had on the podcast, who is long-clue Simon Rogan chef. day and Simon Rogan actually we had on the podcast who is Long Clume Simon Rogan chef and I've never you probably have thought of this but we'd never thought to put salt in our tartar tan and it just like adds that little it's really good and it's like a no-brainer but anyway it was very very

delicious actually Long Clume is the restaurant that I've been trying all through this year we've been trying to go and then it's been lockdown lockdown lockdown and that's one of the restaurants I'm desperate to go to when lockdown comes away so do you do you like to go and eat out and do you like to kind of try new places or you quite the kind of you know creature of habit no I love to go and eat out and absolutely like when we go away our whole trips are based around where we're going to go and eat. You know, we research all the restaurants. We, you know, that is the main thing that we do when we go away is find beautiful restaurants and eat there. And we'll even go away to a place just so that we can go to a specific restaurant. So, yeah, that's one of the things I've missed immensely.

You travel far and wide to go for these experiences for this the taste of something and what has been your best dining experience if you've been to all these places I'm sure you've been around the world to places is there one that really sits with you as one of the most memorable memorable good or bad yeah um let me think yeah I think I had one meal in New Zealand with my uncle who lives in New Zealand I can't remember the restaurant it's terrible of me but it was a tiny little restaurant in Auckland oh my god the food was incredible and the wines because obviously New Zealanders are known for their wines that was a really memorable meal another one was um my husband and I went to Iceland we love Iceland

and we've been a couple of times and we went to this unbelievable place in the middle of nowhere called Depplar farm which is an old dairy farm on the sort of northeast coast of Iceland and we were there basically we were like the only people there because there was a snowstorm and nobody could get to it and it is a magical place absolutely incredible and we had an we had a chef there who would come out every day and say look we've got what we've got today is this this and this what do you want me to do tonight and because we were only people there he was like our chef he would just cook for us every day and we just had the most beautiful like really local food because in Iceland because it's so cold they can't grow

stuff in the way that we have in mainland Europe you know so they have to have like a you know they do a lot of more like a fermented food and um but they do it in a really beautiful way so that was amazing stuff as well that kind of feels like an opening to a bond film as well there's something like being snowed in and kind of being in like i don't know sounds like an opening um i wanted to know were you a school dinners or a packed lunch kind of girl at school packed lunch what was in it what was the packed lunch what was the lunch box it was a pink the one I remember was a pink Care Bear lunchbox. With like stickers all over it, like little hearts and rainbows and stuff. I used to have Dairy Lee sandwiches, white bread, hula hoops, maybe a green apple, which you never eat.

And your mum would put it in there and you'd be you'd never eat it and then as I got older I would make my own packed lunch and it would be marmite and cheese sandwiches and I put crisps in them yeah that's what I remember just marmite basically marmite and cheese sandwich with crisps I mean happy days jemma if you'd like me to add to that and i'm sure you probably know but a really great addition to the marmite and cheese sandwich is peanut butter oh i know i know already marmite peanut butter is in my cupboard at the moment and love it oh it's good they i'm glad that they did that it's good i mean i still feel like it's better when you do it your own ratio yeah but yes it is good oh do they make a they make a jar yes marmite peanut butter it's like they hurt

yeah i mean yeah yeah apparently it's not just a a piñata and wear thing it's an actual thing have you ever had peanut butter and white miso paste oh Oh, no, but I can imagine that would work. Highly recommend. What would you have it on, though? Just toast. Shut up. Gemma, this is a new one for me. This is really exciting. A friend of mine recommended it last year, and I was like, that wouldn't work.

Try it. It is. Actually, I prefer it to the Marmite peanut butter because it's more subtle. The miso taste is a little bit more subtle. The umami, mothers. Oh, the umami. It's the umami. I think it would work nicely with celery as well, like spread over some celery. Nice and crunchy. Do you bake your own bread?

I do. Yeah, I do attempt it. We in this household, we do make soda bread quite quite regularly which is super easy to make. Is it? You make it with buttermilk and bicarbonate of soda instead of yeast that's the raising agent. Yeah it's really easy. So you don't have to do any raising which is really nice and my husband who as I say is an amazing cook. Is Irish as well. He's Irish. Hence the soda bread yeah.

Hence the soda bread, yeah. Hence the soda bread. And he has one of those big green egg barbecues. And during the summer, we would bake our bread on it. And it was amazing. Like a different world of bread. Gemma, do you have good table manners? I kind of feel like you're a classy bird. You're there.

You're very graceful. I feel like you're fine, aren't you? She's a bong girl. She wouldn't have been picked if she was rubbish. Well, I think that I've been, I've learnt. And a nun. Yeah, and a nun. I think I taught myself good table manners because in my house, it's just, you know,

as I said, we didn't really sit down for dinner that often and it wasn't a thing so um I've sort of had to pick it up from watching people all we had was we weren't allowed to put our elbows on the table when we were kids but aside from that like I still this is terrible I eat with the fork in my right hand and the number of people that go are you left-handed or are you cack-handed or whatever and it's just because we were never taught it didn't make sense to me why you would eat with the fork in your left hand when you mainly use the fork to pick stuff up like Americans and then now I have to kind of make myself swap over I have when I'm with other people I I realize oh god no I've got the fork in the wrong hand at that that's the thing I always am aware of I eat with the fork in

the wrong hand that's that's I I've never I've never known anybody else that does that apart from my husband so that's very good interesting to know um Gemma last but not least what would I mean what would your uh karaoke song would be and have you been practicing dusty on the karaoke I have done a little bit of practicing um not on the karaoke I'm not ready to publicly out her yet I'd have to do one of those karaoke sessions on my own which I have done in the past me and my friend we would go to there used to be a karaoke bar down the road and me and my friend would just go there and hire a room just us two. And we'd be in there four or five hours, four or five hours just going through.

Just singing along. Yeah, all the songs. I'd love that. It's so good. And you tell the bar people, just keep them coming. Just keep the drinks coming. We don't leave this. We're not going to leave this room for five hours.

So I do love singing and I love karaoke what would be my karaoke go-to probably um oh it's probably like a really you know like Bonnie Tyler type thing you know where you can really go for it um is that like five hour drinks in or is that like your opening gambit opening gambit five hour five hour drinks in, or is that like your opening gambit? Opening gambit. Five hour drinks in is like. You're dusty when she was going to the drag shows, yeah? Okay, cool, got it. Yeah.

No, five hour drinks in is like, if it's two of you, you're thinking about duets and you're like, oh yeah, Brandy and Monica, or, you know, like you're really going through them now, hoping that there, hoping that they're in the karaoke songbook somewhere. Gemma, thank you so much for doing this. I really am gutted that I didn't get to meet my beautiful doppelganger. Doppelganger.

But one day we will. Maybe, well, I don't know. Maybe this is me being real Stan. But I remember seeing you on Columbia Road once and I felt like we gave each other a knowing look. However, you, I've now seen that you have glasses and I feel like potentially you didn't see me, but I was like, Hey girl, I was like, Hey, I see you. You see me. I nodded at each other and I can see what you're trying to do. And you're a very good actress, but I know you don't remember that moment yeah Jessie hang on let me just have a moment here

you have no idea how much of a fan of you I am I've not been like no no no seriously seriously like when your first album came out I was obsessed with it and any of my And any of my friends, any of my friends will tell you, they were like, yeah, I mean, you, she just played it constantly. So I probably did see you on the street and was like, Oh my God,

probably more than you would for me. Oh, shut up Gemma. Look, I remember. No, it's the truth. Look,

I'm very touched. But I also am a bit boss side. As am I. do you think that's we look alike just because they see the boss eye because we've got slightly slight one of my eyes goes slightly in it's a real frustration that's what it is can you teach me how to look into the camera properly because that is the bugger for me that I never know how to look in the camera I'm like this kind of like I don't know what to do do you know what I learned the hard way they would always do these close-ups of me like doing a scene with someone and I was always boss-eyed when I was

younger the trick is to get that camera away because I'm long-sighted so as soon as anything comes close it's boss jemma central same person long-sighted i mate we are the same this is so funny i'm really glad that i've just learned the boss side trick from you because my top comment of my first music video was is she blind because no one told me your eyes were closed i know they weren't I just didn't know where to look and they went and then there was a discussion about if I was boss-eyed and then it went into kind of all the great boss-eyed people Barbara Streisand, Aaliyah all of them so then it kind was a huge debate about boss-eyed people well yeah it was yeah I'm really um thankful that you've just shared that tip with me because it's been the bane of my showbiz life, to be honest.

Yeah, same, same. It's terrible. As you get older as well, like I know I can say to the camera person, I am boss-eyed, so just keep that in mind when you're shooting me. Like, shoot around it. It's good to just call it, isn't it? It's good to just call it. And then it's like not an awkward thing in the room.

They don't have to just do the profile. We work it out. We work it out. And it's all right. Very odd expression, boss-eyed, isn't it? Yeah, why is it boss? I wonder where it comes from. I don't know.

It's like boss-eyed. Yeah, yeah. Good thing. With the boss bitches, yeah. Gemma Arterton, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I will find you in the street another time

and I will look at you with my boss eye. And you may not think I'm looking at you, but I am looking at you. Same. I just couldn't get over what she looked like. I'm going to milk this because I definitely don't look like Gemma Arterton, but she is fantastic looking. She's just perfect looking, isn't she?

Her bone structure is insane. But I kind of loved how gentle she was when she spoke like she was just really sophisticated the way that she moved and everything was very kind of beautiful and elegant and I yeah I'm a bit in love um thank you Gemma Arterton mum I was I was slightly starstruck that's why I went Gemma. It's been a while. I haven't ever met her. She's such a good actress. She said, yes, Jessie. We did see her once in the theatre, Jess. Do you remember?

Did we? Yeah. Or maybe I was with Hannah. Thank you for listening. Thank you to gorgeous, gorgeous Gemma Arterton. Everyone go and watch Black Narcissist on Christmas Day to see jemma artiton looking really fit as a nun and also acting very well and it's actually it's very moody psychological drama very tense um lots of nuns being tense it is really good we will be back

next week with a new guest please someone get us out of this lockdown so I could have actually smelt and touched the damn girl. Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams.