Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S10 Ep 8: Cat Deeley

Episode Date: November 4, 2020

I think this week's guest loves Champagne even more than mum does! Queen of the telly @catdeeley came over for scallops and plenty of champers and we had a jolly good laugh. Cat talks to us about growing up in Birmingham, meeting her husband on Fame Academy, his movie style declaration of love, making it stateside & we reminisce about SMTV days with @antanddec She swapped her pudding for another glass of champagne and proudly admitted to having bad table manners - Cat, we salute you! Cat’s new children’s book ‘The Joy In You’ is out now xx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum. It's a sunny autumnal day. This is my favourite kind of day. I love this day. Mum, we have Kat Deely on today. Darling, I've always loved her. You've always been a massive fan of her. I have. Fame Academy. So you think you can dance? And my favourite favourite in America. I absolutely loved it. Well, for me, it was SMTV and CDUK. Darling, she's also a brummie. Oh, yes, you have an affinity

with the... Well, darling, I went to university there and my mum was a brummie. I feel like Kat Deely made everybody when they were younger want to be a TV presenter. She was like, she is, I'm sure, we haven't met her yet, but something so warm and fun, and she had the best legs ever.

Best legs. Do you think she's very tall? I think she's quite tall. Yeah, I think so. So cheerful, warm. Cheerful, always big, warm smile. I'm very into that TV. Do you think we're going to start drinking early, darling, today? Because it is lunchtime. I don't know, I may wait till cat tea. Do you think we're going to start drinking early, darling, today? Because it is lunchtime. I don't know, I may wait till this evening.

Okay. So what are we having for lunch today? We're having scallops with pea mint puree, with a salad and ciabatta. Where's the umami coming from, though, Mum? That's what I want to know. The umami's in the bloody pea puree, darling, and there's a little bit of lard on in with the scallops. There we go. to know the umami's in the bloody pea puree darling and there's a little bit

of lard on in with the scallops there we go is that the umami lovely so we've got Cat Deely she's got a new children's book out

called The Joy In You so Cat Deely's coming around for scallops apparently she likes scallops and I probably will have a glass of wine I'm feeling like

me too Cat Deely coming up on Table Manners. Do you know, I've been such a fan of yours for so long. We've always loved you in our house. Yeah, we've loved you. You're exactly how you are. You're exactly how...

It's like Kat Deely in the flesh. And the legs. The legs. The legs are... I've longed for like cat-ily in the flesh and the legs the legs the legs are I've longed for your legs we've all longed for legs like yours you have fantastic legs

they're actually my mother's legs yeah that's what I wondered did your mum have good pins yeah we call her Janmar because she's grandma but Janet so she's Janmar

Janmar I love that Janmar has a lovely pair of pins that I've inherited they're like they go on. But they're hers. I can't take any credit for them whatsoever.

She's passed them on. How's it being back in London? Oh, I love it. Do you? Absolutely. Yeah. I absolutely love it. When did you get back?

So we got back, we came back for just before Christmas, just this one, just gone December. And the idea... Cheers, by the way. Cheers. Cheers, so nice. Nice to see you. You can't beat it, really, can you?

Oh, does he love champagne? I love champagne. Me too. I think there's happiness in every bubble. Makes you feel... I think that it's with you at the best of times and the worst of times. Yep. That's a really good way of putting it.

It's like an old friend. It can turn an average Monday night into a Saturday fling. Absolutely. It's like so good. I agree. That is the best description of champagne I've ever had. And you can have it with lobster, you can have it with lobster, or you can have it with fish and chips on the floor in a plastic cup.

Yeah, zhuzh it up. Yes! It's an old friend who will always be there. That is a really good point. Do you drink champagne quite a lot? I don't need much of an excuse. Neither do I. Like, this was just perfect for me.'s literally it's a it's a pleasure

it's like it makes me so happy and the sound of that cork popping just like it puts like a twinkle in your eyes and it yeah it does you're so good so okay so you came back in december yes in december so basically what happened was we we'd kind of been talking about it for a while because Milo being four he's right at that age where he loves his grandparents he loves he loves and he loves his cousins and all that kind of stuff I'm very very close to my brother very close to my family we all have a great relationship and we would I've been talking with Paddy about it and we've been talking and we we just didn't know quite what to do and we're a bit like you you only have that very special window of time for so long where

everybody's well everybody's healthy everybody's fine and also the kids really, really crave their grandparents too. Because I think, you know, they're the people that take them out, that like smother them in undying love. Give them Percy pigs and ice cream until they vomit on the car journey home. I've got the Percy pigs in. My mum's a fan of those too. And it's just, and it was just like and then the other bit of it was also I quite like the idea of Milo going to school here. Can you work in both places? Yeah yeah yeah. So you could you would you'll travel

back if you need to? Well so so this was the idea is that we were going to turn around and go okay let's relocate back here in the UK if I then need to fly back I can it would depend the job would depend how long I was going to be away for as well but there are plenty of jobs where you go and you can record a series in you know two weeks because you do four shows a day and you can get it done and then the the dance show that I did which was going into the 17th season it's so fun um that will be shot during the summertime so although that was live and I had to be there every week I thought well that the kids will love that it works perfect with summer holidays we can take them to Disneyland and go to the beach and it'll be great so have you kept your house there yes but now we're in this weird so so literally so we so we so we so we came over here i flew over here and i tried to find a house for us to rent because i was

like we can't we can't just buy someone like let's just get somewhere for us all to move into anyway they we couldn't move into the the to the we've got this garden flat with this lovely great big garden because that I was worried about them not having outside space because they've been used to being outside so much so we found this we found this great garden flat but we couldn't move in until the end of January so basically the four of us and the dog who i flew over when i was looking at the flat type of dog oh she's just a mutt but she's the most divine lily and she's so she's a pug basically a puggle got out next door to a basset hound oh wow and she's that and she was like the runt of the litter so she's actually like really quite fine featured fine she doesn't need

botox like classic her no no not quite although she has gone white on a on her snout since i've had the boys she used to be all like sometimes she looks at me and literally if she could have a martini in a fag and be like do you remember the good old days she would she would that's what you'd be like so so basically we all moved into my brother's four-bedroom flat so Milo could start school we were literally he went on his first day he loved it he had the best time ever Paddy and I were like high-fiving each other. I flew back to the US to do a new quiz show for Disney. So it was working out beautifully. It was just for two weeks.

At which point, COVID hit. And then I could see the UK over here. And it was in LA. They hadn't quite caught up to where we were in march and um i was thinking to myself oh my god i'm gonna have to bail on this shit they're gonna be so angry with me because i'm gonna have to say i've i've got to go back because i've got to get it back in the country and all that anyway weirdly they then got rid of the audience disney stopped flying families and they were like no actually we need to stop this right now we're going to pause it so at which point i then

flew back and then milo stopped going to school which was the last time we come so we still got we still got a house there two cars on the driveway like there's still all all our stuff is there and are you still living with your brother? No. So we finally moved into the flat at the end of January. Okay, right. And we all remained friends, which is good. That's good. That's amazing. So does your husband, does he work in LA too?

No, he really works in the UK. Because he does stand up. He's also in the middle at the moment of doing a document. He's just started to do more documentary stuff as well, which he seems to really enjoy. He's always been wonderful as well. He's also in the middle at the moment of doing a document. He's just started to do more documentary stuff as well, which he seems to really enjoy. He's always been wonderful as well. He's pretty good. Always been a favourite of mine.

He's pretty good. He's pretty smart. Did you meet on Fame Academy? See, I knew it. I saw the first flush of love. I saw it. And I thought, I really hope she goes out with him because he's so lovely well there was

but it took a long time it did take a while to flourish well I moved to LA and I kind of liked actors and don't think you know like you work your way through that you work your way through the bad boys to work out which one and also I think I needed to grow up and I think he probably needed to grow up. Paddy needed to grow up too, you know, a little bit. And so we, but we'd always stay in touch. We'd always stay in touch and he'd always like text me on my birthday or I'd speak to him or whatever. And then that was how we got, how we got together was on, um um it was my birthday and he called me to say happy birthday and it was about it was about two o'clock in the morning he was in Ireland there's a little pub at the end of the road where we've got a house in Ireland called the Maharai Inn and it was about two o'clock in

the morning so I don't know what kind of state he was in but it was it wouldn't it wouldn't have been it was like a con all the moment yeah cat cat exactly that exactly so he called me and he said um i'm just phoning to say happy birthday and blah blah blah and i said oh yeah you know we're just chatting and then uh he said well what are you doing for your birthday and i said well, well, actually, I'm going to get a few pals together and we're going for brunch at the Beverly Hills Hotel at the Polo Lounge. Fabulous. Like Warren Beatty-esque and stuff like that. Yeah. And it's so pink and it's all like...

It's pink and gorgeous, yeah. Paul Gounvillea everywhere and stuff like that. And I said, we're going to go there, but for like a late brunch, like two o'clock or whatever he said all right he said um okay I'll see you there and I was like I said well you're currently in Ireland and I'm currently in LA um you know there's no there's no way he said I said it's a shame you can't be there but it's no no I'll see you there. I was like, okay. Thinking to myself, beer in, brain out.

I was like, there's no, like, anyway, he went home from the pub, set his alarm for like four o'clock or whatever, got in a cab, took the first flight out of Ireland to Heathrow, then got, jumped on a plane from Heathrow to LA of course he had eight hours in hand yeah yeah it's a bit like challenge America back in the day it is and so then he flew he had hand luggage he got in a cab told the cabbie the story no stop pulled out up outside the beverly hills hotel the cab driver was literally like do you want me to wait and so he dropped his bag at concierge and walked in had you kissed by this point no no this was quite a bold move oh it's but that's why it worked because no because nobody was he was he longing for you deep down? Did you know he was in love with you? Yeah, of course he was, Jessie.

You don't schlep all that way because he thought he wasn't on a bit of a promise. He's bold, I promise. Paddy, I kind of love you even more now. This is like a Richard Curtis film. But that's why it was so brilliant because nobody does that anymore. Like, nobody.

Normally to get somebody to call you back is like a whole thing so he's there and he walks into yeah and then he just didn't go home for about two weeks that's amazing and like obviously he's gonna charm all your friends because he's funny well and also the whole, like, thing of him walking. Yeah. Where it's a bit... Does he look a bit dishevelled? Because he'd had a bender the night before. He was all... It doesn't matter.

And also, it doesn't matter so much on a man either. He's also one of those men who's got better as he's got older. I always thought he was cute when he was younger. No, there's some dodgy frosted tips going on. But no, yeah, he's one of those who gets better as he gets older but you sound like you've got a really lovely relationship yeah i mean we drive each other nuts too of course um but yeah no it's it's pretty good you're back now yes and you are really happy that you made that decision. Yeah, 100%.

So what do you realise are the things that you really missed about being in the UK? Friends and family. It's a massive thing. And it's kind of, you can't put a price on the time that the kids get to spend with the grandparents and everything else and so you kind of get to a point where it's like no one can pay me enough money to stay because i want to i want to come back like this is so special um where do your parents live they live uh in warwickshire so it's like are you warwickshire or brummie originally brummie yeah because so we're my mom's accent oh yeah i don't know how i've how i've done it it's like it's there still there's no american twang at all no but it's so funny i think it kind of works for me in the states

because it's like the flat a's it's grass and pass and all that kind of stuff they they seem to i remember once i interviewed tony bennett i was doing this thing for um american idol and the only way he could understand me was if i talked really brummy like that and then he couldn't understand every bloody word i said it was going can you believe that tony bennett and for some reason if i if i did like a full-on brummy accent but if you go into a shop and you say can I have a bottle of water they don't know what you're saying oh no not with the tea water yeah yeah not with the tea no why it's I don't know it's so it's so weird I mean there's so many different weird culture things I mean with the with food there like they're they're

it's the norm that you go to a restaurant and you box up what you don't finish and you take it home in a bag even a really posh expensive restaurant that's what they do and to me i don't like food like that that's a bit common yeah i think it is darling asking to take huge portions i know darling but it does feel a little common to say can i take it home in the old days my mum used to say excuse me could we have that for the dog exactly yeah and that's what they did so if it was the steak you might do it it's called a doggy bag isn't it yeah you might give yourself a cheeky sandwich later on if you fancied it yeah but there they gave and it's like huge portions whereas i'd much rather have a little bit of something really tasty.

And leave it there. And yeah. The bread is shit in LA. Oh, it's rubbish. It's shit. And the butter is even worse. Butter is awful. See, I'm a French bread with butter on so thick, I can see my teeth marks in the butter.

Yes. That's how I like it. I like to, when have like the slices of baguette i like to butter on both sides i like that whip butter they have in the states no oh i do whereabouts were you in the states we were well we had so it was we had a place in beverly hills and then for the last two years while i was there because i was kind of pregnant with james as well at the same kind of time. So there was no flying or anything like that.

I rented a house in Malibu too. Which was lovely. How gorgeous. So basically what we would do is, and it was always my dream. Every job I did in the States, it was always like, is this the beach house? Is this the beach house? And so I'd always, and I was like, if you're going to go and you're going to live in LA for a bit,

like that's part of it, right? Did you go to that lovely restaurant at the end of the pier, the Malibu Pier? No, it's called the Pier. I went to the pier. There's also, since that they opened in Nobu,

that's, I mean, I know everyone talks about that. Can you get in? Is it just hard to get in? I think it's the best restaurant in the world i love nobu yeah i love nobu me too because you are right on the ocean they serve fantastic food you know like normally if you're in an amazing location the food is rubbish right that's normally that that's normally the way it goes or it's great food but not such a great location this is an amazing location the food is sensational the sun goes down over the ocean in front of you and dolphins oh like oh my

god yeah it's really good and you can see kylie jenna kylie jenna having a little bit of sushi next year or justin bieber totally sometimes she can but i would always go when it was quite so i'd always do last orders at lunch because if you go at dinner time you just see black right you don't you just it's just night in the ocean so you don't see anything might as well go and get the view but if you go last orders of lunch time then you can sit have a lovely Might as well go and get the view. But if you go, last orders of lunchtime, then you can sit, have a lovely lunch, and then you move to the couch area and have copious amounts of cocktails.

You've got this down. As the sun goes down, and then you see, so then you see the sun going down as well. Jessie, I knew I loved her. Yeah. She's absolutely our cup of tea, darling. I mean, so, you really. Or cup of tea darling I mean so Kat you really can you cook I love cooking um I'm not I'm actually not bad I've definitely got better as I've got older when

I when I was first in London like round about SMTV MTV days i would literally like i loved a super noodle i would eat mushy peas out of the can oh like i just it wasn't it didn't interest you it wasn't it no i wasn't bothered and also i feel like if you're if you're single and you don't necessarily have a family then it's kind of pointless to make something just for yourself she looks like that and we look like we do no not not anymore no food even when i'm on my own i really do i cook every night see i'd have i'd be really exciting food every night as well yeah she's like lenny what's on the menu well tonight lenny we've got uh yeah i do do you yeah i don't you feel like it i feel like it's a no oh i love that what do you like to cook what

do you like you know what it really depends where i am so so for instance in la it would all be barbecues or and salads and they eat corn on the cob my little one loves salads he loves red onion radish like he's not my little one he's nuts oh my god my big one not so much but my little one is nuts wow and and like corn on the cob yeah all that kind of stuff or like a cedar plank that i'd soak with like um salmon on it or something like pop it in the barbecue in my cupboard it's so easy you soak it you can soak it in wine oh can you when you cut your fish on the top in the barbecue yeah see because that was because always for me as well it was great because I I I get to the end of the day and I'm shattered.

I don't, like, I'm so exhausted. So we always tend to eat at the same time as the kids do. Jessie does, five o'clock. Do you? Yeah. I quite like a five o'clock supper. So do I. I like it.

It works for me. It's like an early bird special. Talking of food, are you starving? Oh, what are we having? So I've, really simple simple go with there's this great fish i'll give you the the name of it it's a fish company and they'll do if you order by 11 o'clock the night before even on a sunday they'll deliver it next morning and the man comes in his white from billingsgate called up a scale it's really decent prices really decent prices

delicious scallops fresh scallops and I'm just going to do some scallops I've fried off some lard on I'm just going to do some scallops

in butter amazing and I've done a pea puree I love peas there you go and then I've just done a salad

and I've got some ciabatta bread amazing amazing amazing but I want to hear about your children's book yes And then I've just done a salad and I've got some ciabatta bread. Amazing. Is that all right? Amazing, amazing. So I think I'd better... But I want to hear about your children's book. Yes.

Yes. Quickly. So is this your... Do you have a copy, by the way? No, I don't. Oh, my God. Okay, I'll solve that for you. Because I was like...

I'll buy it, babe. No, no. No, you can't because it's sold everywhere. Oh, that's amazing. Well, it is, except I'm doing loads of stuff and no one can buy it anywhere. That's amazing, though, Kat. I know, it's sold everywhere that's amazing well it is except i'm doing loads of stuff and no one can buy it anyway that's amazing i know it's lovely is it your first children's book yeah yeah yeah so what why did you do a children's book so the whole idea was i'd wanted to do it for ages and ages but i'd never really the time had never been right oh yes thank you um the time and i see this to me is a lovely

treat to come out and sit and chat to people like this it's my it's my i love people like i really enjoyed just having this is like so up my strata thank you it's brilliant me too it's brilliant when i told all my friends that we had you on they were like oh my god they were all so excited because I feel like you were a bit of a fashion icon for us us tweens and teenagers I think I think there was a moment where it was yeah it was because it was Saturday morning so it's that thing where everybody looks everybody you know would get up in the on the saturday and then we'd watch and do the thing and and you know what we were kind of invited into people's living rooms every saturday morning you know it was very it's

a very special thing i remember actually once someone saying to it was a friend of mine who said to me never ever ever forget and this is probably a bit for your mom too but he she he said to me um never forget that for some kids you're this is their time when their dad is a real meanie or whatever is sleeping off his hangover from the night before and you're doing this for the little boy in who's six in his spider-man pajamas who he knows for this three hours is not going to be pushed around and shouted at he's got this moment and you are his three friends who come into his living room and he knows he's going to be okay and i was like oh my god because sometimes you have to remember things like that so you don't just turn up and get blasé about it and be like but it was it was such a fun time but yeah it was funny

because we shot a documentary that's going to go out at the end of the year so it's me and the lads together they rebuilt the set down at lwt i saw something about this down at lwt so it was really weird because it was like yeah and it was like it smelled the same oh really you know we went up the steps where we'd go up at five o'clock in the morning before we got a bacon sandwich and it was very it was very weird anyway we were talking and they found our chemistry test that we did on the set of this morning and i said to the producers before i was like listen i don't remember anything i'm not i'm not trying to not do it i just don't remember anything about it at all nothing stands out to me anyway they play it in i was like but i was okay in terms of

the barnet and the outfit i was okay i've got like i've got like a dark brown bob and i was kind of working in all saints vest and and camo yeah so i was i was okay and to got a fringe a bit like that where it's the points of spikes over his forehead and then declan had a brown shirt with a big, like, white collar like that on both sides. Oh, bless him. Bit Elvis, you know. There must have been chemistry there. Yeah, I think there was.

And what was really interesting, though, I was very Brammy, obviously. And I got kind of like this little voice. It was like my voice has matured as I've got older and stuff. But I quite liked her. I quite liked who she was you know when you say you know you're like you see it and you're like okay yes I'm like I was using all stupid language like we've got a fresh and funky show for you and like stupid language and all that kind of stuff but I did quite like her oh that's so nice and and there was obviously something between us where it was but also i mean the big thing was that we were so

rubbish when we first started how so we were just awful like just forgetting no not forgetting stuff but but just we didn't really know what the show was. You know, sometimes you must have had it before sometimes where you go in and maybe you start working on an album. And you're a bit like, this isn't working. And then you go in another direction and you're like, ah. So what do you think changed? What made it work? Just getting to know each other. I think we understood what we got to know what the

show was so basically before that it was always leading up to cduk so there wasn't a lot of content in the first bit and then i think yeah the massive the massive chunk that really really made it work was we got to um understand the chemistry between us and we got to be mates and um that's something you can't hothouse you can't hothouse that and whereas oh you do a salad bowl like i like a massive salad bowl i'm like don't give me a couple of leaves and a bit of shriveled up nothingness i need too long you need those big portions now yeah yeah when it comes to salad you might need to help me with the timing okay mom hold on how long do you do either side i don't know i think i think like two minutes on either side that's what i'd say three minutes on either side i don't know uh google it yeah

it might even be two one side and one and a half oh okay come on let's do that then because that's how we used to do our steaks on the barbie it was like because i used to get really thick little steaks but then i'd do one side for three minutes but i've got one of those i've got one of those industrial strength love that and then flip it over and then do it for okay so let's go two minutes on one side and then one and a half on the other so the book oh yes so the book so it'd always been an ambition of mine to do it and I just never found the time you know everybody's got those things that they want and then if James got to an age where he was like Milo was going to kind of preschool James was still doing his lunch timey nap and I I was like, oh, I could get this, I could get this done in

between. So I'd started doing, I started writing. And then the idea behind the book was essentially, at the end of the day, I'm exhausted and I don't know what to say to them. I can hardly string a sentence together. I'm completely inarticulate so it was to be okay what do I want to say when I can't find the words what how do I want them to feel um specifically when they're going to bed at night because they're only they're so little they'll know about the real world soon enough but I think when they go to bed they should feel confident and loved and kind of in that warm, fuzzy kind of feeling. And so it's a collection of thoughts and feelings and moments. And then it's kind of top and tailed with love, which is basically the support system.

And it's to get them talking about their emotions and talking about their feelings. Because I feel like the more you can get them to do that the more they can empathize with other people and the more they can then reach their full potential as an adult because I think all parents no matter where you're from or what your background is we essentially want the same things for our kids we want them to be happy and we want them to be kind anything else is kind of superfluous and great but happy and kind are the two massive things and so the more we can talk to our kids about emotions and feelings I think the better it is because I think that I think kids are

pretty resilient I think they're really resilient but the fear of the unknown is scary to them it becomes the bogeyman under the bed and so I feel like the more you can be open with children the better it is and so I did this book Rosie did the illustrations for me she was amazing which was a bit scary actually because what happens is when you write a book a picture book for children that you don't talk to the illustrator to begin with so they interpret it however the whichever way exactly oh okay so you so i saw her work and i loved it i thought she did beautiful beautiful artwork but essentially what you do is you get to a point where you're happy with the prose which goes backwards and forwards with like penguin random hair so keep going backwards and forwards

and then you hand it over to somebody who you've never met yeah and you just go right okay go for it build me a world make make the make my words come to life and she did like she sent it back and i was a bit like really and they're like yeah no we like this moment you have to life and she did like she sent it back and i was a bit like really and they're like yeah no we like this moment you have to trust that she knows what she's doing and she will make it happen i was like okay oh my god and peas my other amazing amazing choice thank you um so i want to know we ask everybody what their last meal would be and it's going to help yourself to sound amazing is it dressed to sound thanks mom this is great it looks amazing thank you nice one man yeah to the chef yeah to the chef cheers yeah thank you to the chef so what is it starter main um purge and drink of choice i think i know the drink of choice oh yeah yeah you got

that one that one's down um i would say oh my goodness see i tend to really enjoy foods that i find quite tricky to cook myself like you it's almost like they have another layer of appreciation for me so for instance like i love an artichoke salad that's sliced really thinly with fresh lemon and and like you know is there somewhere in la that does there is come on where is it there's a place called e baldies and I would always is that the Italian place yes is it but it's the sun's place though because there's a baldy down on um Santa Monica yeah which is amazing yes the truffle on the pch yeah exactly that oh thank you and then there's also a uh there's also a sun too so i would always go and i would always have exactly the same thing i'm such a creature of habit it's ridiculous but

my mouth is actually watering now thinking about it and talking about it you know what i mean so i would have i would always start with a carpaccio of red snapper this is this is yeah so it's sliced really really thin with pink peppercorns there's a little bit of a dressing on it and a little bit of basil because that's my other thing is i'm always into my ratios basil because that's my other thing is i'm always into my ratios like don't give me a caprese salad with like a teeny sprinkle of basil in the middle because it doesn't that won't that won't work for me that sounds great those red snapper with pink peppercorns oh with like micro basil so it's really it's so the taste isn't too strong you know what what I mean? And then I would always have langoustines. Langoustines with this artichoke salad, just delicious.

And then for me, I would always rather have another glass of champagne at the end of the meal rather than a pudding. Or a cheese board if I was that way inclined. See, if I was cooking for myself, I wouldn't cook for myself, but I'd have cheese. I love cheese. Me too. It's just terrible. Do you think the cheese is better here than in the States?

Yeah. One million percent because they have to pasteurize all the milk and everything. So there's a cheese store. If you're ever in the States and you want proper cheese there's the the cheese store in beverly hills there's a man there with the with like super cool glasses and a really funky scarf and he'll basically give you brie from under the counter that's got it's a bit like post-war days and he gives you with the with the culture in. What is the sweet spice on these? Is it like a cinnamon or cumin or what is it?

I'll tell you what notes in the P. Oh, is that what it is? In the P's there's cumin and mint. Very good. Whose recipe was that? Me. Mother! No. Very good.

Is it in the book? No. I can make a new one. So you grew up in Birmingham. Yes. And which bit? No. What can make a new one? So you grew up in Birmingham. Yes. And which bit? So originally... Hedge Baston.

No. Originally Great Bar. Great Bar. Do you know where that is? Yeah, because I went to university in Birmingham. Oh my God. So you don't... Yeah.

So like the Newton Road. I grew up in a house called... On Pear Tree Drive. Right by the Great Bar bar hotel it sounds cute yeah but actually what was cute about it is the houses all had like quite long thin gardens and there was loads of kids in every single house there was loads of kids and so what they did was all the adults built like little gates going from garden to garden so nobody had to go out through the front and we'd all go and play together and then there was like a little stream

at the bottom of the garden and then the people on the other side of the stream they were a bit higher and so the granddad built a bridge to get from one end to the other. This sounds so romantic. It sounds so Famous Five and Enid Blyton, but it actually, I mean, like, it was right in the middle of kind of Sandwell and stuff, yeah. But I love that. And you've got a brother. I've got a brother who I'm really close to.

So older, younger? Younger. He's very, in the way where I'm quite energetic and and out there he's very laid back what does he do he's he he actually we have a property company together and max runs the property company but he uh and he kind of he's got a he's deep voice and he talks quite slowly and he's still got his accent oh my god so he sounds like he should be in Peaky Blinders. Oh yeah, totally. Oh my god, I already fancy him. Totally, and he's six foot two

and he's one of those men who's getting more handsome as he gets older too. He's got quite a big nose but it's delicious. He's like, very blue eyes, very twinkly and can talk to children like it's like... Like a child whisperer, yeah. Yeah, Charlie Caroli's turned up all of a sudden Like it's like... Like a child whisperer, yeah.

Yeah. Charlie Carolli's turned up all of a sudden and he's like chatting away. But he talks like that. Oh my God, I love him. But it's that thing of, it's very easy to underestimate him. So then when he,

he's actually very funny and very smart too. But he's kind of just very comfortable in his own skin what were you eating around the dinner table my mum was a really good cook and she would always do that thing where we'd all eat together it was really important to her dad would get in from work late so she would plate his up but it was but during the weekend we'd all eat together we were together all the time um she'd do everything though from like we tended to have quite a lot of roast dinners because they're easy to plate up and pop in the oven and they still taste good afterwards whereas if you did scallops and it would be no good um but

she did things like that she did an amazing spaghetti bolognese she did uh and it would be no good um but she did things like that she did an amazing spaghetti bolognese she did uh and it would you could always smell it drifting through the house she did like a delicious lamb stew with pearl barley and we'd have chunks of french bread with butter and dunk it in um yeah she was she was a really good she'd even do like ribs with like chinese herbs and spices like she was she was pretty good what did she did she work she used to work for social services actually and then after she had us she didn't anymore because dad was out an awful lot and so it was that thing of dad was setting up, he set up a company. He was a pattern maker.

So that's, companies would send him the first 2D drawing of a part of a car and my dad would make the first 3D model from wood or resin. That sounds like Liam Payne. Didn't his dad work in? His dad did the same thing. For planes? Yeah, for planes. Oh, and it's really interesting. The one day he comes home to

me and he goes he said i'd moved to london at that point and he said to me um have you heard of the there's a a bar or something in notting hill it's called the chemist or the i can't remember he says i can't remember what it is it's okay he said i've had this bloke on damien hurst his name is and he's asked me to make um the first 3d model of a part of a bar stool but it's got to look like a paracetamol i was like that pharmacy i'm like that'll be the pharmacy dad and that's so that so he makes like models of he used to that's what he used to do so mom kind of made sure everything ran smoothly at home and that was kind of their agreement it it's weird because part of you turns around and goes oh i would never want it to be like that but then part of you also

goes gosh it was so much more clear-cut almost and everybody knew their roles that's not to say I want to do that at all but it just it was it was almost simpler um I feel like I know the answer to this but do you think you've got good table manners no oh really no not at all I would happily dip and do I don't know if that's bad table manners and talk and eat and also i shove in as well like i'm quite i like food and i like to have it with gusto well okay well i thought i did bread i did yeah not that i've been like studying you or anything but i think you know i think you're giving yourself i think jesse's had a good day i mean my plate is clean.

I can actually, like, see my face in my plate, so yeah. And what's your worst table manner in other people that you can't stand? My absolute worst is a phone under the table like that. Jessie, you can't be friends. I haven't done that yet. No, you have yours on top of your table table i don't mind that because that's all inclusive that's that's fine this under the table thing and i'm like i've not seen that i bet in la it happens all the time right the first time it did i was literally like i i can see you

you haven't suddenly gone invisible because you're doing that and unless you're texting someone to say it's here you need to take the door on the right for you to walk in yeah what why on earth are you so important right now that you're that's a good one it's good for you to be back back and what's your karaoke song oh uh it's normally kylie simon you're so vain oh well because you can kind of talk the first bit of that if you need to you know what I mean I think I might adopt that one it's pretty good the other one is these boots are made for walking and I normally

do it with somebody else too and again you can talk it do you know what I mean so he makes with a bit of Rex Harrison have you watched the morning show no i haven't yet that's not what i'm just obsessed with it but there's one bit in it so

there's a real baddie in it at the one of the organization and she does a duet from les miserables and nothing's going to harm you and the sexual tension it's the best thing i've seen on telly for a long time that duet on its own with billy cudrup oh yeah yeah so gorgeous oh i saw him completely in love with him yeah you know who the who the other one is who have got a bit of a thing kianu do you see him out really he's got better as he's got older as well no no he was on I tell you what he was doing he was doing the Jimmy Fallon show the same day I was and my manager wouldn't let me go anywhere near him she's like no it's too dangerous that's too dangerous yeah I'm pulling no I'm I'm I'm cutting you off I'm not having that do you feel like people give you more space in LA or in England because I feel like paparazzi always are interested

in you here aren't they uh I think that is the only downside of being here I feel like they leave you alone yeah because I'm not that like there's Keanu and Will Smith down the road you know what I mean and Kendall and you know they leave you lot I'm not doing anything that interesting that's gonna make them loads of money. Kat Dealing thanks so much for coming. Good luck with the food. I've been here. I was just gonna do fresh fruit anyway. Doesn't matter I'm not a pudding girl I'd rather have like the piece of bread. But thanks for doing this. You're welcome. Such a pleasure. Love the lunch.

Love the company. Love you a lot for that pea puree, Mum. The cumin. Who would have thought? You just cook the peas in a bit of chicken stock with cumin butter and mint. It was honestly delicious. And it was a really good colour, wasn't it?

It was a really good colour. We like, I feel like we brought the pizzazz. Like, she brought the long legs. Yeah. And the, I mean, she's like a 90s dream to me. She's got a 90s, noughties dream.

She's always wearing the jeans. She's always got a beautiful cream floaty beautiful blouse. She's got lovely little stilettos on. I'm just obsessed with her. Her hair's fantastic. And she was lovely and warm. She's just lovely. A normal person. She was just so

lovely. She was such good fun. I'm going to be Cat Deely's friend. That's it. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to Kat. And we'll see you next week. Table Manners is produced by Alice Williams.