Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S11 Ep 5: Jenna Coleman

Episode Date: February 10, 2021

This weeks guest is the glorious star of 'The Serpent’ Jenna Coleman! She tells us all about how she had to learn French for the role of Marie-Andree, taking a 1970’s pencil sharpener home from the set as a memento and filming in Bangkok & wait for it.... Tring!! We discuss her upbringing in Blackpool, hiding cream cheese sandwiches in vases, childhood karaoke sessions with @charlottechurch and what she'd have on her last day of food. We loved having you Jenna (even if your WiFi was shite) and hope to have you over soon for some chicken soup - Mum is working on the gluten free matzoh balls as we speak! X Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Runners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with my mum in Clapham and we're about to Zoom a very, very special guest. I'm too tired to do this intro, you take over mum. Right, well I am super excited and the key to our special guest is a sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss yeah serpent do you think everyone will get it yes i think so because if they've clicked on the thing it says who is so yes i think so i think they've got it we've got jenna coleman on i've just had a malteser i forgot how good maltesers were I think it's still Christmas Jesus they're bloody good I bought them for that cake and I didn't use any

but I'll make the cake this weekend so if you haven't seen the BBC series The Serpent why not because it is brilliant you can watch it all on iPlayer I think it's still on kind of weekly but you can

I'm watching it weekly so I'm up to number four why are you doing that because my life is so fucking boring I'm trying to weekly. Why are you doing that? Because my life is so fucking boring, I'm trying to space it out. Okay. Well, I've watched all of it, and it's bloody good.

Jenna Coleman is brilliant. I've been lucky enough to share a meal with her, or two. Why? Well, we sometimes meet up in Paris at fashion shows when we're going to Moumou. And I love Jenna because she's so bloody normal and brings her best mate I think who she was in Emmerdale with I think her

name was Sally I need to remember this and she came along with her mate and she's so gorgeous and so demure and looks fantastic is she as beautiful as she looks on TV? Absolutely. She's so petite. She's just fantastic. Anyway, and we had dinner together and I really loved her and her mate. And I remember we were at the party after and it had been this big all-star. It was a cruise show. And it was the one where I was six weeks pregnant and I was in a very lovely mumu outfit. But the kind of the bloat had started. But also our chauffeur had taken us to the terrible traffic so me being like I

can't miss this show Miu Miu have sent like brought me and Sam to Paris we tried to get on the subway realized we didn't have any money on us but we only had our phones and it's a nightmare and so we managed to get those um bikes there's like not boris bikes but like the equivalent and we were cycling and there'd been um gay pride had been that day and we were cycling and when i got to the show i was sweating so much it was like not what you want when you want to like be photographed on the step and repeat in your lovely muumuu so i was pegging it down. I don't know whichever famous road it was on this bike with Sam with stilettos on and a velvet dress.

And I remember Lily Collins was there and she saw me and I honestly I had the sweat was just dripping. And if you look at the picture, you can see a certain type of glow and it wouldn't stop. And the show was starting and I was like we're coming we're coming we're coming I think everyone and Mimu thought I was so mad but appreciated the effort that we'd gone to to try and get to the show on time but Sam wasn't sweating darling no Sam looked fabulous and great what's his resting pulse rate it's like 50 or something and Lily Collins just looked at me and she was because we were sitting next to each other and obviously she could feel the heat and see the and Lily Collins just looked at me and she was because we were sitting next to

each other and obviously she could feel the heat and see the sweat and she just looked at me and she went you rock and I thought thanks Lily thanks Lil and then Jenna and I like we all hung out after and we had a little dance and it was really really nice and um we kind of stuck together the kind of Brit crew I'd like to think that you know naomi campbell wanted to hang out with us she didn't but that's okay but i do love jenna she's brilliant but yeah that me me story and you know what come to think of it i've never been invited back strange that darling it was quite a vision um but anyway jenna coleman coming up i mean the serpent's been a huge hit it was exactly what everyone needed post christmas everyone's miserable needed a thriller she was an opposite the guy from the prophet oh he's fabulous tahar rahim and he is amazing as her kind of

clyde to her bonnie um but yeah jenna is coming on in a minute i know she really wanted to do this in person we were going to send her lenny's chicken soup we're getting stickers done this is something that my mum chris jenner has decided to do that she wants stickers i don't know what they're going to say on them just table manners i'm sorry and it's not an issue but i thought table manners with jesse where when you're not cooking it was like okay so i i just said can we just have table manners like the cookbook? So we could have table manners. Look at her just trying to like push me out little by little. Darling, you'll never be pushed out.

Table manners the soup. Neither will you. Could we have table manners the soup? And I would like a little leopard skin edge. No. Darling, did you see our review in The Independent? No, what? It said it is the best, most homely cookbook.

It cheers you up all winter. It's on one of the top 10 cookbooks. And it said, and who can resist? The inside cover is leopard. Shut up. I didn't want that leopard print. Shut up. I thought it was chiclet.

Well, I'm sorry. Here, I'm going to show you. Nothing wrong with chiclet. But when you're doing a cookbook, you don't. It says, following on from the immense success of their Table Manners podcast, mother-daughter duo, you'll notice mother comes first. Jessie, also famous for her award-winning music career. And Lenny have worked into the world of cookbooks.

The turkey meatballs are a Friday evening favourite in our home. Need another reason to invest? It has leopard print inside cover. Hold on, who wrote this? It's The Independent. Who is this person? I love her. Sophie Gallagher.

We love you, Sophie. And I'll send my chicken soup next for Friday night. Chicken soup with Lennyware. With the sticker. No, thank you so much, Sophie Gallagher. That's really nice. Oh, someone's here. Jenna, I'm Lenny.

I'm Jessie's mum. Hi, Lenny. And I'm really the star of this show, darling. And I do all the chicken soup, which you would have had if you'd come round. I know, Jessie told me that. I'm so sorry. I know, but do you know what? I had chicken soup tonight and I thought of you. Did you?

I did. Did you make it? No. One of those Dalesford ones. No. Now, Jenna, I thought you'd be speaking French with a French accent. Salut! No, no, Black Pudlian, I'm afraid. Well, I want to know about this French accent.

It was Trébien. Yeah. Thanks. Did you do A-level French? Are you actually French? I need to know all these things, Jenna. No. The last French lesson I had, I was seven,

you know, like literally in primary school. And I remember like, literally, that's kind of how I began. And I know I did Spanish. I did Spanish. But like, was that quite hard for the serpent then to do the French? Because not only did you have to speak the French accent, you had to speak in French. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was pretty pretty it was pretty terrifying to be honest and really I mean you know it's one of those things when I read the script I was like there's just no way I can't do it and I'm also such a big fan of Tahar as well and but it's like but it's half it's half French but not just French French Canadian and um there's only a space of kind of a few weeks and scripts were still being tightened.

And I mean, my first day on set, like the whole crew were Thai and all the actors I work with are actually French. And I just landed in Bangkok and I was like, what am I doing? What is going on? Did it feel really nerve wracking then? Did it feel kind of like you were naked on stage and you just had to work it out and get through it yeah I think it's that thing of I mean I had what it's like a few weeks a few weeks with the language and also because you're speaking with um French actors as well um and not just playing um an English character who can speak French actually playing a character who is French with French actors and in very like a very specific accent so yeah it was pretty you know I think I think once I got past the first few weeks and then me and Tahar could really it's really interesting because you find it came a point where actually the language

it didn't interrupt it as long as me and Tahar like we had our connection and our way of working that um it was fine but yeah it was pretty it was pretty it was pretty crazy was it harrowing to play the part because i find it i i can only i've not binged i've watched it each week which is terribly old-fashioned yeah my mom's done it's a bit old-fashioned but i kind of it's kind of full-on as well and it's kind of a bit scary yeah and i wanted i wanted to save it savor it as well and it's kind of a bit scary yeah and I wanted I wanted to save it savor it as well but it's such a powerful I mean was it hard to make because it's so powerful to watch you being such a vile human and being so under his spell in a way but also vile in your own way for not stopping it what's so funny is I mean I think because I was also like in her head I think she thinks she's good like she thinks like I think

she's she's living this completely deluded lifestyle but also you know I mean this was this job was the job we all call it the serpent curse I mean so many things went wrong in the filming of it so there was this whole other element that came into it. Like what? I mean, it began. I mean, there was so much. The shoot was supposed to take four months and then took 13. So obviously we got to know each other all really, really well.

So it's so weird for me now when I see people are like freaked out or scared by Tahar because he could not be more opposite to that character. So scary. Why did it take so long? Was it because of COVID? Yeah, to do with loads of things. I mean, our director, what he calls it, like the making of Michelangelo, the Sistine Chapel, because they were trying to make it for like years and years and years. And like we began, but it was like the monsoon season. So it was Cannot House. We shot everything there first.

So we'd be doing kind of all those party scenes. And within like two minutes, you get like downpour, monsoon, rain. Everybody run inside, have to quickly shoot something else. Where's the monkey? Let's shoot the monkey. And also like the Bangkok market scenes and things like that we're just kind of rocking up and we're in all the real life of Bangkok there and shooting and um I mean there was so much and then Taha went to shoot another film because we we were going over so he arrived back bald and really really skinny and he I just remember he looked

at me and he was like okay this is it right nothing else is it like we're gonna and then suddenly you know we watched the news and it was like coronavirus and borders and Paris might be beginning to shut and so we had four days left to shoot in Bangkok. And then it was, we got our call sheets and then it was actually you're flying home. So then we had four days left of that, a shoot in Budapest, got flown home, sat tight for like five, six months.

And then in August, we went to finish it, but we finished it in all places in Tring, in Hertfordshire. What? Which bits were done in Tring? Bombay, Paris. Shut up. Karachi.

Shut up. You're killing me. So you never went to India? No, we went to Tring. She must have gone to Kathmandu. Didn't you go to Kathmandu? No, it was all Bangkok. It was all like Bangkok, Thailand, and then Tring, Hertfordshire. That is hysterical. Were you supposed to go to Kathmandu no it was all Bangkok oh it was all like Bangkok Thailand and then Tring

Hertfordshire that is hysterical yeah were you supposed to go to Bombay no no we were going to go to Paris at one point and then Budapest this is for like the later bit that you you might not have seen yet um but yeah it was all yeah it was all Thailand it was so brilliant we loved it and and well I guess let's start with talking about food in Thailand. I bet you ate amazingly. Yeah, the food was so good as well. Like people take such pride, like, you know, at lunch and as well, we got brought like coconuts at lunchtime and things like that. Yeah, the food was incredible, like fresh papaya.

And I mean, the spicy food as well. Really, really spicy. A lot of like like chili chicken basil mixes those kind of things Jenna where were you brought up I was brought up in in Blackpool oh good old Jessie's favorite place on earth I do love it is it actually we used to go for my grandma and where would we stay mum what was the boy no wasn't it the ritz i don't know what definitely wasn't the ritz but it was um yeah was it the imperial imperial was it the imperial yeah when my mum wrote a complaint about how overboiled the vegetables were and it was like so hot because it was all full of like old people playing bridge so they like turned all the heating up so you would just kind of be there walking through like just kind of dehydrated but no I loved it and um I mean I loved Blackpool it was kind of our special

place. The illuminations taking the children to the illuminations and on the beach with donkeys who were always called Popeye for some reason. But what was it like growing up in Blackpool you know it's kind of this tourist destination it's quite rainy a lot of the time I presume yeah I mean it's pretty raucous was it yeah but also I don't I guess I never knew it was quite a unique place in a way like I grew up my best friend owned um a rock factory so like at weekends we used to just hang out in the rock factory. And I remember there was like the rude rock room, which we weren't allowed in where they made like, you know, rock into... Rock willies.

Rock willies. Yeah. The rock willy room, which was like barred from and massive tubs of suites that you could actually get in and hide. Like, you know, things like that. So it's just, yeah, like a big play, a big, very bright kind of play area, I guess yeah like a big play a big very bright kind of play area I guess like a big playground and what was it like growing up what was on the dinner table who was cooking it and who was eating around that table I discussed this with my mum today I was like mum I need to talk about you um so dinner table at home I mean obviously the big thing was Sunday roasts with the family like my gran would usually cook and it'd be like aunties cousins like all of us round for every Sunday but I was a terrible eater I was a really really bad

eater when I was growing up so I I went through a phase where uh all I would eat was cream cheese sandwiches and Heinz tomato soup if if my mum was lucky oh and hold on when did this end I think I must have been I mean like probably like teenage or something like that I mean I must have been like seven eight nine something like that yeah I was a really bad eater I just was not interested in food I just wanted to play and did and and was your mum a good cook yeah like we used to have a lot of things like cottage pie. I mean, do you remember those things like alphabites and things like that? But I, again, alphabites.

And I was just not interested for a good while growing up, like to the point where my mum would like have to sit there and be like, you have to eat your dinner. And apparently when she snuck away, this is really bad, I used to go and hide my sandwiches in a vase in the house oh that's awful oh god it's so I could go and play so you just wanted to play the whole time were you quite hyperactive no not really just wanted to play you just wanted to play and like do I mean that sounds like my have you got brothers and sisters yeah I've got an older brother so I I was a bit, like I went through a phase

of being a little bit more tomboyish because I think I just wanted to be like him and like play with him. But yeah, food, I'd say for a couple of years, food was really, really tricky. And I just wouldn't move from, you know, anything other than really simple stuff until I was a bit older.

And can you cook now? Yeah, I love cooking. And so like, what would be something that you would be doing for friends say post-covid you're allowed to have some friends over for a dinner party what would be your go-to? Probably from Thailand actually I got really and in lockdown I got really into curries and like Thai green curry in particular but like slow cooker like a lot of slow cooker food and things like that that's kind of become my lockdown vibe so I have a bit of a story about my slow cooker I thought I was using

my slow cooker because you know slow cooking it always tastes better right and I just thought it was kind of not doing the job that it was supposed to do and so I googled the like to look for the instructions on online I realized I've been using like to look for the instructions on online I realized I've been using a rice cooker for like a month that I thought was a slow cooker I'd managed to do dals in there I'd managed to do soups and hunter's chicken and I was currently roast well I was trying to slow cook a whole chicken I was like it kind of it worked but I need to know which slow cooker you have a slow cooker I don't think do. I think I've just got a rice cooker. I'm going to get you one because Wilco have got them on offer.

Okay. I'll get you one. But do you use yours quite religiously? And what is something that you'll, is it one of those things that you'll just like, you'll leave it overnight or you'll do something in the morning and it will just taste like heaven by the end of the day? Yeah, I'll do it in the day. Like I'll do it in the day.

And again, only during lockdown, really. You've got me really paranoid. I think I might have a rice cooker. What's the difference no no no babe mine mine is a rice cooker like mine mine kept on like clicking off and I was like it's really weird and all the like water's evaporating and I was like the whole point is that it's supposed to like cook within its juices and and and it was because it had a little hole because that was the rice supposed to be you know cooking so yeah no you're definitely not a rice cooker. Which one do you have, though? Is it good? Should I get it?

Sage. Oh, sage. Sage risotto. So that's why I'm like, is it a rice cooker? Sage risotto. Oh, yeah. There would be a clue in that. Maybe it's a risotto cooker. Maybe I've been doing it wrong all this time. I'm like, it tastes delicious, but clearly my food tastes aren't up there. So okay it would be like a Thai curry that's what it would be fine and then can we

ask you what your last supper would be oh this is such a big question I know I'm sorry I listened to Elizabeth Olsen's episode and I was like and all my friends who are such fans of this podcast in particular they were like have you got your answer ready? You know, so the pressure on this. Oh my God, babe. And also the thing is for me, what I realized, so I've got a gluten allergy. So there's so much stuff that I can't eat. So I realized if it's my last ever meal,

I could probably eat all of those things that I can't eat now. So then I went through a whole like you know like croissants like wow pizzas in Italy pasta you know like all of those a beer in in Mexico cannot eat any of those things oh my god you can't eat pizza and pasta when did you get diagnosed with being gluten intolerant about five years ago now is it a bugger I'm just so I'm so used to it but to begin with yeah because it was just being that person in the restaurant that can't go you know yeah or like just you know be walking down the street and get a pizza takeaway or it's amazing

how much it really changes your life because you can't be carefree in that way yeah or you know like beer I don't even like beer but I'd love to just be able to have one so is okay go starter you could do a whole day Anthony Anthony from Queer Eye did a whole day babe and then that kind of incorporated all the things that he he started I don't know did he start with bagels somewhere in New York I don't know but you could do a whole day if you want if you've got a whole range of things it's just the world is your oyster it's gonna be a load of croissants yeah basically yeah so croissant to start with in the morning actually no if it was the morning egg and soldiers oh i love them there is nothing better do you have marmite on your toes gluten so it's like but i would have yeast darling in marmite marmite on your toast. Gluten. So it's like, but I would have. It's yeast, darling, in Marmite.

Marmite has gluten in it. Of course it is, it's yeast. Oh, for fuck's sake. Are you kidding me? Yeah, you bet. Sorry, darling. Okay, so egg and, are you going to go egg and soldiers for the starter or breakfast? Are we doing a whole day, Jenna?

Yeah, we are, darling. We're letting her. I know. Have we pushed you into doing a whole day? I've not prepped for a whole day. I've not had a good. Oh my God. All right. Just kidding. I know. Have we pushed you into doing a whole day? I've not prepped for a whole day. I've not had a good... Oh, my God. All right.

Just kidding. Just kidding. Followed by, OK, flat white, obviously, coffee. I mean, I'm a massive coffee addict. It's quite a big addiction of mine. Are you a coffee snob? No. Like my son and Jessie's husband are coffee snobs.

No, we just got very into uh drip coffee during lockdown yeah and it by the time it drips through it's freezing yeah it is quite cold by the time it's ripped yeah and it's very strong um but okay so flat white what coffee do you get i really like um what's that shop called mama mama mama begins with m monmouth monmouth i love mama coffee okay so you're gonna make your flat white or you're gonna go and get your flat white m monmouth monmouth i love monmouth coffee okay so you're gonna make your flat white or you're gonna go and get your flat white from monmouth fine so you're starting with a coffee starting with a coffee i mean yep i usually start my day with two coffees followed by i do egg and soldiers marmite because it's my last day and i can have it

lunch so there's this pizza place in stoke Newington that I've never been able to try and apparently it's the only place out of Naples that is this famous pizza and it's they've opened up their other shop in Stoke Newington which is kind of weird but apparently it's the best pizza is it the one that's like blue and white yes it's very simple and it's on church street yep it's so good and you get a pizza in like one minute because they cook them so quickly which is music to my ears when i've got two children in there kind of demanding pizza it's bloody good i love that you haven't we've never had somebody that's going for a meal that they've never had before so i like this you're trying a

restaurant that you've never had before but you believe in the restaurant so much and the pizza it is bloody good yeah i walk past there and i'm like oh look in the window would they not do a gluten-free one no but maybe if they listen to this podcast they will maybe we'll have a little gluten-free pizza somewhere gluten-free pizza is hard to do good isn't it why it just is i remember having that i mean have you ever had a good gluten-free pizza? There is actually one called Zia Lucia. They do a really good gluten-free pizza. Or actually, have you ever tried this one, Wild Food Cafe? No, where's that?

That's in Islington as well. And that's like plant-based, but they do do a really good proper tomatoey, garlicky pizza. Oh, that sounds nice sounds nice okay are you still north london yeah but right now i'm in the cotswolds right now so this is why there was the bt thing oh i could see the stone behind you yeah yeah yeah not in london like at the moment there's loads of the food is good the food is like you know like little farm shops and like fresh veggies and yeah i found like all the little local places, like fresh produce.

Oh, so the place in Stokey is called Vicoli di Napoli. And I can vouch for it. It is really good pizza and very, very quick. And they're very friendly there. And actually their tiramisu is amazing too. Okay, so we've gone on to lunch. You're having the pizza. Any sides with that

any drink of choice sides um fresh like fresh tomato salad from literally from Italy like Italian tomatoes in the summer with basil and just olive oil like really plain you just don't need anything else and then what's your pudding she having pudding at lunchtime as well the greedy thing oh no I don't know maybe she asked oh no you're having dinner I don't know I feel like I feel like we've derailed her and her meal was was there anything that was going to be in here Jenna that you haven't said no this is quite good because all of my musings have been like, you know, do you do the pizza? Do you do that? So it's great. You've given me an option to get them all in on my last day.

So, so, okay. So, and then, and dinner, are you doing, or are you going to go straight for pud? So dinner, I was even toying with egg and soldiers as a starter, but I've had them for breakfast now. So that's fine. But that was a consideration to begin with there was this beautiful me and my mum went to France last year and we had this starter which was like um raw raw salmon but with avocado mousse and had that every single day really fresh um that would be my starter like a salmon tartare yes like a salmon tartare but no red onion or anything like that. Okay. Was it from a restaurant that you were going then, you and your mum?

No, this hotel and me and my mum went and just every single day, like for lunch, it was one of those things that you just had to keep reordering. Oh, I love that. Like we couldn't change each order. But are you quite a creature of habit then? Once you love something, is it like you'll repeat and you'll repeat and you'll repeat? Or are you more adventurous now with food yeah oh yeah I mean are we talking like moving on from the hind soup and the terribly sandwiches I've definitely like become no I feel like I feel like we've made leaps and bounds yeah I guess I'm definitely like I've only recently

more recently got into more Indian food um one of my favourite restaurants is Parilla as well. Another like Stoke Newington place. It's amazing. Newington Green. It's such an exciting restaurant. I think they're doing Parilla at home actually. Yeah, I've seen that. I saw it and it looked beautiful.

It got a bit cold by the time it got to South London. Well, yeah, I don't think I'd be able to get it. But luckily for North East London people, they'll be fine. think I'd be able to get it but luckily for northeast London people they will be they'll be fine um so then there's there's this salmon raw salmon avocado mousse that you and your mom used to have in this hotel and that's the starter or is that the main that's the starter and actually let's throw in the seaweed homemade bread that they have um perilla fine because i can have that it's the most delicious bread um and then seaweed bread yeah it's insane how gorgeous but mains i just don't steak chimchurri fries garlic spinach oh yeah last supper where you go? Where do you go for your steak in London?

It depends. Like, ginger pig or... Oh, okay, so you'll cook it yourself. You're, like, quite confident with how... Because I never trust myself with... I always either underdo it or overdo it, and then it's just... No, darling. Yeah, it's rubbish.

I'll cook steak for you, darling. Thank you, Mum. So, oh, so you go and you'll get it from the butcher, and you'll do it yourself yeah but I'm also I'm quite like I'm a haphazard cooker like I'm not very good at timings my timings are always way off and I'm not very patient so I'm like I'm quite like mad dash and like you know that that all I'll overcook or I'll undercook but yeah timings are not like my forte let's say I think it's because you're a, timings are not like my forte, let's say.

I think it's because you're a creative, Jenna. That's what it's, yeah, absolutely. It's because you're a creative, you're just thinking about so many different things and it's creating. So that's your main, I think that's a really good main. And how would you have your steak? Medium rare. Okay, great. Perfect. And then pudding. Are you a sweet person? Again, it's not, not massively, not hugely. Cause I person again it's not not massively not hugely because I get it's like cakes and things like that not always the easiest but in lockdown so this is a Hemsley and Hemsley recipe um my little five-year-old niece made these things called they're in her book called happiness happiness balls

and my little niece made them for me but she's renamed them because she got it wrong renamed them joy balls so it became it became like all through christmas it was like right you know everyone's kind of getting really bleak and like really down with the covid it's like right who wants the joy balls everyone needs a bit of Joy Balls right now. Oh, sweet. And actually, like this really good recipes, like it's delicious, like really rich, like proper like coconut oil and cacao and almond butter, like really, like you can't have a lot of them, but yeah.

So you'd have your niece's Joy Ball? I'd have my niece's Joy Ball, yeah. That's so sweet, I love that. And then, yeah, did we talk about drink of choice? What was your niece's joy ball? I'd have my niece's joy ball, yeah. That's so sweet. I love that. And then, yeah, did we talk about drink of choice? What was your alcoholic drink of choice? Tequila. Ooh. Margarita.

Nice. I love a cocktail. I love them. Can you make good margaritas? I think it's quite a talent. That's probably my finest cooking. I can make a good, because i put like um cayenne pepper in okay i like i like it when they're spicy yeah oh a little i've never ever heard of that

oh yeah it's cayenne pepper in your margarita oh i mean there's this whole and i don't know jenna whether yours came from like the soho house picante or not maybe you were like before this but it became a bit of a kind of online meme thing where so her house do this particular margarita called a picante which is really quite delicious and it's agave and and it's got but it's got a chili it hasn't got km km pepper in it it's got like a chopped chili and it's really spicy and delicious And I got so rocked on them during lockdown one night. And they tasted so good. But the hangover was so sensationally bad, I've not done them again.

But I like the idea of cayenne pepper. It's actually also easier, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I've just become quite addicted to, like, spicy cocktails. And also with iced, like, ice it in a, like, a Nutribullet um with like chopped ice too and what tequila would you recommend using for your margarita it's quite new to me tequila only in like the last year i used to absolutely hate it i couldn't touch it but now there's this one called casa amigos which is really nice is that owned by like is it is it george clooney yes bloody george

i nearly said george clooney do you know i thought i nearly said george clooney too but then i was like no no that's an espresso do you not drink wine gemma being the french you know person that we think you are or i think you are um if i do rose more yeah i love rose i just i find i get so I feel so hung over just off like one glass of red oh you'd be a cheap date then wouldn't she maybe you haven't seen her on the tequila's mom I like red and cooking in the slow cooker red is perfect right yeah love red wine and cooking or yeah but very very occasionally but yeah I'm not like a I'm not a massive wine drinker so you you're going to drink margaritas with your steak and chips I think that's really sassy do you think

yeah but you couldn't have that every night could you she's going somewhere I don't know where but she's going to a higher place so it doesn't matter does it well I've got to talk about that right now it's a bit morbid you don't drink every night then oh no no no not at all no no no not margaritas every night not like Arlen who would be having cosmos so I wanted to know when you were doing the cry which was horrendous to watch like horrendous uh it was the most I mean I I don't know I just I mean you were very good in it and it was it was really well done but Jesus that was a horrible story and it was um but you you filmed in Australia right yeah did you eat amazingly there because I've always well I've been there once and I ate

such great food there was it was it brilliant and where were you based so yeah I was based in Melbourne um which is like foodie central yeah haven and also we were doing like a lot of what you call split days so it meant you could have like a lot of your mornings free and um everything melbourne is about and what is so good for is brunches melbourne brunches are like off the charts insane like so creative what's in it like all sorts of things kind of like a lot of um you know like food bowls with like quinoa bacon but, but then really like, or dates thrown in with nuts or tender stem broccoli, feta, you know, it's like all of these mixtures, but brunch over there is such a big deal. Yeah. I loved it. You could never, you could almost do like a different brunch place

every day. And there was this one tiny place called um napier quarter which was almost like it was the tiniest little restaurant you've ever seen there was a lot of like you know just on little corners like tiny little almost like restaurant bars um great wine there actually that you could just sit outside and um just really inventive menus and all really low-key as. I feel like, I mean, apart from Tring, I feel like you get quite good gigs in different places. Like I feel like you're doing all right. Do you? Yeah, I do.

I mean, you deserve it, Jenna. You're brilliant. You're becoming this kind of national... Well, she was in the TARDIS as well. She went everywhere there. But what's next for you? Like, you know, you're in Cotswolds, you're kind of hunkering down, as you say, but what's next for you like you know you're into cotswolds you're kind of hunkering down as you say but what's next have you got things that are in production pre-production

i know i begin i actually begin filming in in i begin filming in february this is really bad because i i am nda and i'm the worst like i'm the worst at keeping secrets so it's something you can't talk about i'm good at keeping other people So it's something you can't talk about. I'm good at keeping other people's secrets. Yeah, something I can't talk about starts in February. And then like an indie film in March. Great. But nowhere particularly exotic.

Oh, poor thing. But that's okay. That's fine. Just think of all those COVID tests though, if you're starting filming. Yeah, I mean, we did it for The Serpent. How many times a week what's funny is it just becomes part of like um getting into costume yeah so it's like the daily you know hair

makeup costume quick covid test set speaking of costumes did you get to keep any of your fantastic costumes outfits yeah i've really messed up here because tahar like all of his suits were like tailored and all the flares and so he took like everything home with him he took his like like tailored shirts glasses because it was all like so much of the costumes was made um there in the workshops and um i managed to come home with a pencil sharpener from 1970s pencil sharpener from Cannot House and also like a tie

like a tie like statue that I stole from the set but left all of my costume and didn't bring a single thing What happened to the radio? That little red radio? I don't know who got that actually Was it a bit of a bum fight? Didn't bring a single thing. What happened to the radio? That little red radio? Oh, you should have taken the radio. I don't know who got that, actually.

Loved that radio. Was it a bit of a bum fight? Everyone was like, I'm taking the... What's it? The powder. I'm taking that. I'm taking the radio. I'm taking the... I'm taking the passports.

No, nobody wanted anything, actually. Everyone was like, what are you doing? I was like, oh, I don't know. I just like to keep a memento. You know, as we were finishing on set, they were like, yeah, take the pencil sharpener if you want it it's yours um I didn't I feel like it's like wearing school uniform sometimes to me like your costumes like it's a bit like school uniform or something when you're in Thailand did you sing karaoke ever or go to any karaoke places

I think they do that in Asia though darling. Okay. I think I was a bit scarred in my early years from karaoke because the last time I did it I was 12 and I was in Ibiza on holiday with my family and they were like doing you know the local kind of um hotel like you can come up do karaoke and I made a friend there and um they were like you go up and do a song together and I was like okay okay so we went up to do the song together and we did wake me up before you go go oh what a great song I just remember the bit where they go, you want to hit that high. And you didn't hit that high. It turns out the person I was singing with, age 12, was Charlotte Church. Oh my God.

Pre-record deal. And she actually really could hit that high. That's amazing. Did she hit the high? She hit that high. And I think I just stood there with the microphone, with my mouth wide open as this 12-year-old operatic singer. And then we sang New York, New York together. And I have never done karaoke ever since.

Oh, my God. This is hysterical. Did you introduce a cheeky vimpto to Charlotte Church on that Ibiza holiday? No, God, I forgot about cheeky vimptos. No, I didn't. I mean, we were literally, yeah, we were like, we must have been aged like 11, 12. Do you have good table manners, Jenna?

Yes, I think so. I'm saying that for my mum. Yeah, I'd say so. I'd say so. My mum's going to be mortified about the vase story, so I need to give her something. I was brought up with I'd say so. My mum's going to be mortified about the vase story, so I need to give her something. I was brought up with very good table manners. And what's the table manner you hate in other people,

the bad table manner that you hate? Oh, I hate it when people clear up before anybody else has finished. So do I. Yeah. Jenna Coleman, it's been such a pleasure to chat to you and to hear all about the inside info on The Serpent. And thank you so much for being on this. We're going to have to get you round for proper chicken soup,

Lenny's chicken soup. Look after yourself and good luck with this very, very secret operation that's happening in February that I'm about to ask you what it is. But no, really good luck. It's such a pleasure watching you on our screens and just so, so thrilled for you.

Gorgeous. And you're just brilliant. And we loved having you on. So thank you so much. And thank you for taking the time to do this when you are in the countryside with really shit wifi. There's a storm of brewing, I think right now.

Thank you. I'd love to come over for a proper dinner and that chicken soup do do well i'm gonna have to work on gluten-free matzo balls oh my god that is a worry this could be like inventing electricity yeah i think i'm going to have to do that darling okay um jenna coleman on table man's thanks love thank you jenna coleman just love her she's so lovely girl. We would have loads of fun together with a margarita, a spicy margarita. I'm glad I didn't send her a bloody matzo ball. I might have killed her. Look, I'm free. That would have been terrible.

That was a close shave, actually, Mum. Thank God. Jenna Coleman, if you haven't watched The Serpent, have a look. It's brilliant. She has such chemistry with the co-star Tahar. And if you haven't seen Tahar in anything, you should see the film A Prophet. It's amazing.

Loved her. Loved her day of food. Mum's looking for gluten-free matzo meal as we speak. Yeah. Is there any? I don't know. I'm going to have to up my game. Oh, God.

Good luck. Get it sent in from America. Do you think there must be gluten-free matzo meal? There might be. Anyway, that was lovely. It's cheered me up a bit. Darling, can we just say a shout-out to Abby? A friend of ours, she's a big fan of the podcast,

and she's going through treatment at the moment. She listens to our podcast when she's having going through treatment at the moment. She says that she listened to our podcast when she's having treatment. Oh, sending loads of love to Abby. Thanks for listening. Thank you to Jenna Coleman. We hope you're all all right and we hope you're just surviving in there. It will be over soon.

This too shall pass. Thanks for listening to Table Manners. We're back next week. And I think we just need to say that we really do appreciate you all listening because actually this is really kind of... It's getting me through. It's getting me through too. So we really, from the bottom of our hearts,

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