Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S16 Ep 6: Princess Eugenie

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

It’s a royally good week on Table Manners, we have our very first royal on the podcast; Princess Eugenie popped round for brunch! She was an absolute delight and we couldn’t wait to ask all about table manners in the royal household. We found out all about how she spends half the year living in Portugal, that she thinks she could win an Olympic Gold medal for sleeping, her love of tequila on the rocks, learning the art of small talk from her granny (The Queen), and how she navigated getting a job while being a member of the royal family, plus the revelation that she has never heard of an air fryer!! My new best mate ‘Euge’, we absolutely love you, and we can’t wait for another catch up again soon. Princess Eugenie is the Co-Founder of The Anti-Slavery Collective which has launched the second series of its podcast Floodlight. You can listen here Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm back in Blighty. You're back darling, it's a lovely day today. It is. The leaves are falling. All the leaves are brown. And the sky is blue. Beautiful, poetic. How are you mum? I'm fine darling.

You sound quite zen today. Do I? Yeah. I don't, darling. You sound quite zen today. Do I? Yeah. I don't know. I've been up early preparing. You've got your soft voice on and everything. Is it because we've got royalty coming? I think it's because my mic is drooping.

All right. Okay, fine. Anyway, we have our first royal. I think our first royal. Yeah. Jessie, do we curtsy? I quite want to do some of the traditions. Well, I have bought her a tiara in case she needs to wear one at dinner

Yeah we'll ask We'll ask her what her favourite bit of being a princess is Like you know Do you get to go on the aeroplane first? Yeah I was thinking She's in the public eye the whole time Is she?

Yes You know she comes out of her front door and they're taking photos of her Wherever she goes Commenting on how she looks, what she wears, everything. It must be so annoying. But she's grown up with it, hasn't she? Yeah, I suppose so. But she's coming on to talk about a podcast.

Yeah. Called Floodlights. And it's shining a light on... Drawing attention to modern slavery. She really is using her position positively, isn't she? Not only is she a podcaster, she also does loads of charity work. She does Teenage Cancer Trust, Children in Crisis.

There's an environmental organisation she works with, I think, called Blue Marine, trying to clean up the oceans. And she's got two children. Yeah. She's a busy lady. And her husband, I think... He's a drinks person. Yeah, he does tequila, I think. Oh, and she's bought busy lady. And her husband, I think... He's a drinks person.

Yeah, he does tequila, I think. Oh, and she's bought a bottle. Don't talk about tequila. I don't commit too much on Saturday night. And don't swear, darling, because she's an HRH. Can you try and hold back a little? I'm sure she swears. Well, maybe just hold a little back, darling.

Okay. What are you making? Well, I just hold a little back, darling. Okay. What are you making? Well, I've made shakshuka. Well, the whole menu got changed because I suddenly learned she was gluten and dairy free. So I've made shakshuka with gluten-free bread. I'm not sure how spicy it is because it didn't taste very spicy. And then I put more and more rosarisa in and it might be a bit too spicy now. Yep.

Have you got yogurt or is she dairy free? I've got pretend yogurt. What kind? Coconut? No, but it's, yeah, but it is, it's one of the collective ones, but it's vanilla flavoured because I've got that for the plums. Oh, right. But I've made plums that are disintegrated. Oh. There were 30 plums there and it looks like there's two.

I think I overcooked them in the oven. Never mind. Never mind. It looks a bit like jam. We've got gluten-free bread from a local baker, Lily's Loaf. Lily's Loaf. And so we've got a gluten-free bread to go with the shakshuka. Yeah.

I better go and slice that, I think. I quite like it when you put the halloumi in. Could you put some halloumi on this one? I've got halloumi. put the halloumi in. Could you put some halloumi on the side? I've got halloumi. Oh, thank you. Do you want me to do halloumi on the side? No, that would be very disrespectful to her. Well, I'll ask her if she fancies a bit of halloumi.

I'll say, go on. Go on, Eugenie. No, she's daring for it. I'm trying. Okay. Princess Eugenie, coming on. Take one. Princess Eugenie.

Yeah. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me. Your Highness. we're thrilled to have you i'm interested about the fact that you dip your earl grey bag in for a second yeah it's quite princessy your mom just said that she doesn't like strong tea as well i don't know but like that was literally you called it dishwater. Well, yeah. That sounds disgusting. Oh, great.

You need to like make it like be in there for about five minutes. No, but can I just, can I, not that princessy if your mum does it too. She's, she's, she's, yeah. Obviously, yeah. Yeah, no, I, I've always done it like that. I think my mum did it and then I copied her. I don't know how, I don't know how else to do it.

I mean, I do know how else to do it, but don't like the taste yeah would you strong tea would you do it if you were even adding milk only put it in for a short time no uh i don't think i'd have tea with milk i never never ever no how do you take your coffee with milk fair enough but i don't really drink coffee that much i because i i heard that the three things that make you unhealthy is coffee sugar and alcohol and so i thought the easiest one to give up would be coffee particularly as your husband kind of is in alcohol yeah it was so i so i gave up coffee um and then now i've taken it up for like decafs now and again. But it's like, it's quite strong. So do you have a sweet tooth?

Yes, but if I'm going to have a snack attack, it's going to be prawn cocktail crisps or ready salted crisps or salted vinegar crisps or hummus with all that. Or popcorn, salty popcorn. Anything salty. I'm a salty girl. I haven't really tried a prawn cocktail with the hummus, but I may do that. Well, yeah. I love that prawn cocktail was your first choice.

I think it's a very underrated flavour. Do you? It's the best flavour. Absolutely. Why? Oh, it's my least favourite. Because it's slightly sweet. Yeah.

No, but like a proper Walker's prawn cocktail, big bag, is... They should get you in the advert with Gary and Inika. It is my favourite. We've just sorted out the new campaign. It's done. It's my favourite. So alcohol. Can I just ask, are you going to hear me slurping on this?

Doesn't matter. This lady called Jenny. I think her name's Jenny. Lots of sound. She wrote in and said we... But any noise of food. She was like like i just love it when you keep the food things in so really she must have really enjoyed miriam then so we had it from both ends well speaking of which so you follow the podcast's instagram and you saw this clip of our dear

friend miriam farting yeah now i couldn't believe it were you offended no it was so funny she's farted in that chair that you're sitting in and then she and then she but she kept doing it and i promise you the last one was so powerful i felt the floor move but it comes that wasn't a fart yeah that sounded like one but you looked shocked i thought thought you were in it with her. No, but it leads me on to being a member of the royal family. Yes. Table manners. Yes. We should be, mum, get your blunt things off the table.

Sorry, darling. Your bosom and your... My bosom is on there, yeah. Are there certain things that you grew up having to do? Yeah, but I think everyone would be in the same boat okay so what were they well um so you grew up with your mum and dad living in windsor yeah so did you have a house on the estate near your grandma yeah right yeah and so you saw your grandma a lot yeah yeah and every summer and christmas and easter and as much as possible really yeah yeah but we

table we had table manners a, like really little people. Table manners A was when we were with granny. Yeah. And table manners Z was when we were at home. Z or Z or I don't know. Okay. And then from then it was always like, you know, we can't have knees at the table. So like my mum, if I had a knee at the table, she'd say, are they invited to lunch?

Are they invited to dinner? Oh my goodness. And so they'd be down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was like a funny thing so now if anyone we've been on holiday or if our friends are around and they put their knees up my mum's like you know do you do you say this to Augie I mean Ernie's a bit too young for this no no will the knees ever be invited to lunch in your house yeah yeah well well like this morning um i was on my own with both of them so breakfast normally is at the kitchen counter and augie sits in one of those like um boxes oh what like the chair like the high chair box no no it's like a kitchen helper yeah yeah it's

a box that you it's like a little platform yeah for children and you can stand in the box and you're up at the yeah and there are magnets and chalk thing and you can stand in the box and you're up at the... And there are magnets and chalk thing and you can draw on it. So he stood in that and then all of a sudden he wanted to go into the playroom so I was like, okay.

And he goes, Mama, tray, this entree, take in playroom. I was like, okay. So like... So he's having a telly breakfast. Yeah, I brought his cereal and his Marmite toast in with me

so I can go and get Ernie and bring him down so they can all hang out. So what was table manners A when you were with Granny? Well, table manners, I guess it's just not getting down from the table until you can get down from the table. So that's like when Pud is finished. Yeah, but we weren't invited to like

proper big banquet no no no no no like we tea was at five and we could like tea was around then it was only ever like 45 minutes so you can never get stir crazy and then we go running everywhere afterwards around the house like crazy people was tea every day yeah well because it was children's tea as well as grown-up tea so like, like, what was, what, did you get to request what you wanted? No, I don't think, no, I don't think we did. And what was on the menu? So, like, for the kids, it's always, um,

I don't know, spaghetti bolognese, or... Oh, well, I thought it was afternoon tea. That was, like, kids' tea, and then when we were growing up, and then grown-up tea was, like, um, sandwiches, little cakes. Oh oh it's like being in fort and mason the whole time yeah but you know was it amazing yeah i mean it's it we we have tea at our house because it's a tradition yeah from growing up for my family and you know

all the generations have had tea it's just i don't know i guess it's the same so do you skip other meals so you can fit it in no we just eat extra so what's on your family tea at home what we like in my house with my husband and my kids we don't have tea we just have like you know open the fridge and consume yeah um but at my like family tea now it's like like, yeah, it's the same. It's like little sandwiches, some cakes, and like little sausages, things like that. Sounds great. Sounds fabulous.

Yeah, it's a really sweet way to like all come together at another point in the day. because your children probably wouldn't eat with you and you don't eat dinner early and your children wouldn't eat with you dinner.

Yeah, exactly. So that, so tea was always like, we'll eat with the children, that kind of thing. Yeah. So when growing up, it dinner. Exactly. So tea was always like, we'll eat with the children, that kind of thing. So growing up, it was, so yeah, table manners were like, you have to eat something savoury before you go in for the cakes.

Yeah. That was always a rule. I used to hate that. I used to want to go straight in for the cake. And things like that. But I can't remember it being, I can't remember the manners being difficult. I think it was just what you did. We'd always have to ask to get down as well. We thank you very much please might get down from my granny or from my mom or anything you would do you do that oh yeah all right but she's the queen now no you

do that you'd say say yeah but i think that finish you can't get down yeah but table manners z was like nah let's just get down okay so. So actually, it was just being polite. It wasn't kind of so regimented and strict. It actually was quite polite and normal. It's very normal, yeah. And in the summer, we'd go to Scotland and we'd hang out at the little bothies, the little houses on the estate. And it would be very much like we'd all be getting Tupperware

out of the basket picnic hampers and opening them and then helping ourselves to the salad and cold meats and bits like that. So that was very much normal. So is it like the Crown? Do you watch the Crown? No, I've seen the one when they went out, when they were shooting or doing something and

they had a big picnic i mean i don't watch it no i i haven't watched it but um yes we have picnics yeah yeah did you enjoy your summers in scotland or did you sometimes wish you were in portugal where you live now after you it was the summers in scotland were the best it's my favorite place on the planet yeah really which bit well where we where we go the summers in Scotland were the best. It's my favourite place on the planet. Really? Yeah. Really? Which bit? Well, where we go, the highlands of Scotland. Yeah, it's, the Cairngorms are the most beautiful, it's one of the most beautiful national parks.

And it's, like, a best kept secret. No one's there because they've all gone to Portugal. And in August, you go and it's beautiful weather and sunny and happy. The midges. But even the midges are kind of enjoyable you think well this year that's the only thing with with scotland but again it's also a bit of a myth because they don't happen every day and every hour no they don't it's literally when like it's rained and there's no wind and that's very rare there's always wind in scotland yeah that's true and do you shoot um or fish yes yeah yeah it's really it's fun fishing yeah

fishing's amazing so your great grandma yeah was a great fisher she was used to go fishing didn't she did she yeah i think so the queen mother always yeah if you haven't watched off her fishing all right yeah okay fair enough i remember i'm old. I didn't know she fished. I think she did. She was nearly 101. I mean, no, she was 102 when she died, and I was eight, I think. So maybe you wouldn't have known that she was fishing. Well, I think maybe I've got it completely wrong. Maybe you have.

But I seem to think that she was... My grandfather loved fishing, so I wouldn't put it past any of them that they were amazing fishermen. Fisherwoman. Fisher. Fisher people. And is it salmon up there?

I actually don't know. I hope so. I think it is salmon. Yeah, Scottish salmon. Oh, sorry, that's the cat. That's just an annoying cat. What, what, what? He's called Prince.

He's called Prince. Clearly knew there was a princess about so he's here do you have any animals no this is him being like love me there's food there I have never had cats

so I'm a dog person what dogs did you have we had Dalmatians at one point we had a Jack Russell at one point. We've got, now we've got four, five Norfolk Terriers. Five? Well, not we, not we. My mum and dad have five Norfolk Terriers and two Corgis.

Because they adopted them. Are they the Queen's Corgis? They adopted them, yeah. How many did she have? I mean, over the years, a lot. But in the last few years, it was just these two. Are Corgis nice to kids? Yeah.

They're barky. Barky, but... And they're big, but they're really sweet. And they have big, fat, fluffy paws. And they stand like this. Yeah, I don't think... I've never met a corgi. When you see them on the street, it's quite...

Their pointy face and quite short aren't they yeah they've got little little stubby legs yeah why did your family love them so much where did it come from i think it's always been a tradition no my great granny had them and then my granny loved them because of that okay and then that was that was it and then she made it what it is today do you cook i cook yeah so do you cook i did a cooking course did you where um leeds oh yeah i've got a certificate what's your best dish um well i i probably shouldn't say this because like leith was like i learned how to julienne and like okay make everything and like sweat onions and stuff so but now but now like, I like, I'm a one pot girl.

Okay. Shove everything in one pot. And what? It's normally just like chicken, courgettes, tomatoes, onions, garlic, all in one pot. Does Augie eat it? No. I mean, he's two and a half. Of course he does.

I don't know about your kids, but Augie likes things kind of in compartments. Yeah. So if I give him a mush of everything, he'd just be like, oh my God, that's too much. We're getting out of that. And they ate mum's lasagna the other day. Oh, sweet. Like game changer. Yeah, they said it was the best.

Is that your? No, no, no. It was just, Jessie was away. We grew up liking bolognese and lasagna and everything. And they just have never wanted it because they all want the separate bits and bobs. But yeah, he's getting that. Actually, I think it was the best thing I've made for them for a long time. Me and Jack are chilli people.

We put chilli on everything. Do you like spice? Yeah, we love spice. I've made chat shuka. Amazing. But actually, I thought maybe I've not made it hot enough. So there is some hot sauce I think someone gave us at the... Oh, yeah.

Yeah, in case we need hotter. Do you go to Mexico then? Because you were involved, your husband was involved with... Casamigos Tequila. I've been once, but nothing to do with tequila. George Clooney. Yes, but again, not through Jack's Tequila. Okay.

Is he gorgeous? Yeah. You just look at him and he's still yeah he's just he's george clooney yeah oh yeah yeah um but he jack doesn't work for them anymore jack works now for discovery land which is a property company okay same people though who started casamigos also started that okay Okay. So Jack. Do you like tequila? Yeah, I do like tequila. But this, I think, was when we were both at the same wedding. And we were walking up. I swear, somebody, you were talking about tequila.

Oh, no. No, like. That's classic. Do you drink tequila? Now I do. And I drank too much on Saturday. Which brand? Oh, you like.

Casa Amigos. I really like Casa Dragonos. What was that one from Peckham or Brixton? Oh, El Rey. Have. Casa Amigos, I really like. Casa Dragones. What was that one from Peckham or Brixton? Oh, El Rey, have you tried it? No. It's a Peckham, a South London one, and they do it, they suggest having it with tonic and a slice of grapefruit. That's a Paloma, isn't it?

It's kind of, but it's a bit kind of, it's like gin and tonic, but tequila tonic, but with a little bit, but it's not as, it hasn't got like juice of grapefruit, but it's really nice in tonic but tequila tonic but with a little bit but it's not as it hasn't got like juice of a grapefruit but it's really nice in the summer so good can i ask you about your podcast floodlights yes so we are on our second season of floodlights and we have 10 episodes interviewing anyone who basically wanted to talk to us about modern slavery and also what they're doing within the movement to sort of make an effect change why did you decide to do a podcast about that we i set up a charity called

the anti-slavery collective with my best friend jules about gosh long time ago now and we realized that when we first heard about modern slavery as a term it was when we were just turned 21 and we were in India and we met this amazing woman who had rescued girls off the street who had been trafficked and she sort of put them in a home and taught them how to print and make fabrics and make dresses and bags and things like that and it was it was the first time I'd really kind of heard about it I thought of slavery I hadn't heard of modern slavery I'd heard of slavery in school and we'd learnt about it from the history books and things and we came back and we started to London and we started learning about it as much as we could and we realised that someone is enslaved within a mile of where you live there are 50 million people enslaved in the world today

and that's anything from forced labour like unfair wages or exploitation or debt bondage or things like that, different terms so it's not just what we can imagine in our brains. And the biggest thing that we were told by anyone in the movement was no one knows about it, raise awareness. See that they can make subtle changes to their lives but also educate themselves and take action and volunteer and do things that can help within the movement it's it's simple things like you know being aware of the fact that you know it could someone could be enslaved at your local nail bar or in a car wash or in construction and things like that it's not something in far-fung places that you might not go to it is it can happen within a mile of where you live in the uk and around you so it's just

about just where you're closed from um have you asked someone if they're okay if they don't look happy or that kind of thing and it's about empathy and kindness as well and you're on your second series yeah so so you change the subject of your modern like so yes so so each um each episode what we wanted to do was show the world or as many people who want to listen that it's in every sect of society but also that people that they might not expect are talking about it so for our season one we interviewed anyone from the ceo ex-ceo of asos who does this enormously and is a huge campaigner for it. We talked to a QC then and a KC now who only prosecutes traffickers. And we talked to Emma Thompson, for example,

who has been campaigning against modern slavery for years. It was what we wanted to show was that we can talk to the survivor as well. You know, let's listen to her story about what she went through. But let's also listen to the policeman who found traffickers and people being trafficked in one of the biggest ever modern slavery cases in the modern world. We wanted to show that, like, it's in fashion,

it's even in the ocean. There's a guy called Ian Abina who wrote about sea slavery. So, like, it was all to show that it's everywhere, but that you can use your voice to change it, no matter where you are, who you are, what you do. You do so much for so many different charities.

I mean, how many, how many different charities are you a patron for, an ambassador for? A lot. A lot. Yeah. I mean,

well, so I, the anti-slavery collective is, is the one I founded. Yeah. And then, yeah, I'm patron for very

like other different groups but I I only I kind of focus my energies on just the ones that I know right yeah so I I I guess I say I focus on modern savoring trafficking art or anything within art um bones or backs because I have I have metal rods on my back and conservation so anything that fits into those I try and support as much as I can that's quite a lot

to be supportive do you definitely not want halloumi no for me but do you want halloumi let's talk about this because

no I'm not going to have it you're not so you're gluten and dairy free to support your husband who is gluten and dairy free yeah he has you look very sad about this so i i just had a baby as well yeah so i don't know about you but i on the post baby body thing like it sends me mad but i i find it really hard to shake baby weight and i guess i'm society dictates that you have to shake your

baby weight and all that stuff so i um jack has gets really bad migraines so he's he's gluten and dairy free and i does it help yeah he hasn't had a migraine for a long time that's so interesting yeah well everyone's talking about the gut and how it's like a second brain and all this stuff and um this gut specialist was like you need to not eat anything eat like a second brain and all this stuff. And this gut specialist was like, you need to not eat anything. Eat like broth and liver and broccoli forever. And Jack was like, oh my God, I just can't. It's impossible. It's no way.

So miserable. So he kind of came to a realization where he definitely cut out as much as he could for six weeks and then carry on with gluten-free, dairy-free. So I'm doing it with him. And it's working him. And do you feel better? Shouldn't you have debt? Are you still breastfeeding no no no no no i stopped that

yeah so it doesn't really matter when i was breastfeeding i ate a lot of dairy yeah but does that really apparently it translates yeah it translates in the calcium thing i was eating loads of um brownies or i was telling myself i'm to eat that third brownie because it's helping the milk. Yeah, right. I might not have done. Look, we all, yeah, those first few months are just wild, aren't they? I mean, he's only five months,

isn't he? Yeah, he's so sweet. He's so sweet. Did you go to university? I did, yeah. I went to Newcastle. What did you do? I did English,

politics and history of art. Oh, great. Did you love it? I loved it. I loved it. It was like, the oldest one did history of art. Oh, great. Did you love it? I loved it. I loved it. It was like, the oldest one did History of Art. Really?

University, I think, was that like, that like buffer zone before you had to be a real grown up. Yeah. But you had this like, half-half living where you could live,

pretend to be a grown up, but you really weren't. Were you able to kind of have like, autonomy there and like, be able to kind of, like, not necessarily be a princess the whole time yeah very much so yeah yeah we I lived in halls and then I moved into a house with my

six friends had house parties I had a lock on my door um I then yeah I did all the all the normal things yeah I loved it it It was a really special time. And then I moved to New York, which was even better. Why did you move to New York? That was even more reasoning. To prove to myself that I could be Eugenie and have a job and do things and go under the radar and know that I could do life. What was your job there?

I worked for a company called Paddle 8, which was an online auction house. Oh yeah, I know it. Do you? Yeah. Oh, cool. It was amazing. I did that for two years

and then I moved back to London to work for my gallery, which I work for now, Hauser & Wirth. That's your gallery? Not my gallery. No. To work for the gallery I work for now.

So like, what do you do within that? So I'm a director there so I sell art. At House and Worth? Yeah. That's so fun. It is so fun.

It's such an amazing gallery and the artists that we represent are just, they're out of this world. I mean, remarkable artists. And it's so special

to work for them. I've been um and it's just such a wonderful space as well did you go to the somerset one yeah yeah good food too it's great really good food rothbier is one of the best very very good yeah i'm into it so you live half the year in portugal yeah have you been enjoying the port food? Love it. So they do this, like their version of a paella, but in these like huge deep pots. Have you had that? Yes, I think.

Well, I had like a seafood, like rice. What do they call it? Arroz? Yeah, but do they call it like, they call it like, they don't call it, it's obviously not called paella, but yeah, it's delicious.

It's so good. So when they have these, they bring these like old rickety silver pots and they put them down in front and it's fab oh all the prawns and clams and mussels and like yumminess and then they also do um black pork oh like yeah like um like really salty crispy pork yum yeah do you go into Lisbon to eat or do you have good places near you as well? So no we're like

we're an hour and ten from Lisbon and we're it's very like on the sea seafood and we never really go into Lisbon.

Oh. How do you know how to do that? Because it's easy. I wouldn't be able to do that. You wouldn't. Really?

Yeah. How do you make it? It's with onions, tomatoes, some peppers Some chilli, some garlic, harissa So if we were coming round to yours If we were coming round to yours What would you be making, Lenny and I, for dims? I find that really difficult Would you order in? Yeah Oh no so i'd probably do my

should i take an egg yeah of course you should you should take two oh that's quite runny sorry is it too runny for you do you want to cook it a bit more just choose another one this one i don't know they're quite runny mom are they yeah they are quite runny maybe eugenie's got the fear no no don't look see look it looks lovely okay you sure okay fine are you gonna eat it yeah okay fine yeah but i'm like i i'd literally nearly eat a raw egg so yeah don't worry about me i'm going in the middle do it i think i'll tell you where i definitely know this is gluten-free bread that's why it's not runny at the think I'll tell you where I definitely know. This is gluten-free bread. Is it?

That's why... It's not runny at the back there. So if you want to swap... Are you sure you're happy with that? This is... Gluten-free. Somebody who works at my label, her daughter makes gluten-free bread

and she's called Lily. And it's called Lily's Loaf. Yeah, well done, Lily. So tell me... Okay. You would order in? No, no. I'd have to ask you what you're feeling.

Oh, really? Yeah, like... You take requests? Yes, because I, my worst is when people, like, shove food around their plate and kind of go and look at each other. And you'd be like, I could have just done something else. Yeah. Oh, no, that's dairy. Sorry, doll.

Well, now, now, I'm going to do it now. So, I'm not annoying. Okay. Not me. Doll, you won't be the first person to go back. You're very welcome. Wait, and then, so, oh no, so me and Jack, one of the things that we love doing is Jamie Oliver's squash and pork risotto.

Oh, yum. Oh my God. That sounds great. So you, it's so good. You just, yeah. But the only thing is, he pours the stock in and then you you have to mix the risotto around and around and around for 18 minutes. So it's a little bit annoying, but... That's a risotto for you, isn't it?

It's just like... Somebody told me about one that you didn't have to stir, and I was like, non-stir risotto. You can put it baked in the oven, darling. So what would you request? If we were cooking for you, what would you be requesting on the menu? I'm obsessed with chips.

Chips? Yeah. I would have, when I was younger, I used to eat like that. Huddled and covering so no one, like she's created a wall so no one can get her chips. Who was going to steal them? Your mum or your dad?

I had a um and please tell me if i sound like a idiot but i i have a i had a policeman called brian brian was with me since i was a little wee and he's sadly no longer with us but he used to try and eat my chips so much that i would sit huddled over my plate making sure he would never get them that must have been so crazy to grow up with you don't sound silly at all you sound like you're a member of the royal family and that's just life and that's kind of how it was yeah they were our best friends um did you ever rebel or want to rebel or were you home i think my my rebellious moment was going to new york you know right but not out of not because I was rebelling,

because I was just... I wanted to see what life was... How to do things, you know? Of course. There's some there if you want. I'm okay, Mum. She's looking. Just have it.

Just have it, babe. I'm one of those. There she goes. I'm one of those. She's one of them. You, Paloma Fave. Who else has faltered? Just one.

Just a tiny mouthful. Do you want the butter now? No, no. You've broken the seal now, babe. Just have the butter. Just have it. Llew ma fe fe, a phwy arall wedi falch? Un o'r rhai, dim ond y llawr. Ydych chi eisiau'r bwtw? Ydych chi wedi rhannu'r llawr nawr? Ydych chi wedi cael y bwtw? Ydych chi wedi cael ei gael? Rydych chi'n cael eich hwyl, ond mae'n rhaid i chi gael eich cyflwyniad yn edrych yn wych. Do you get fed up that you always have to be presented looking beautiful wherever you go and people are so critical about how you look and what you wear and whether you look tired or whether you look old?

I think that definitely has caused a couple of issues around my relationship with having to look a certain way because it's, yeah, it is. It's always like, oh, that's not a nice outfit. Oh, she looked terrible there or i guess that's cruel though i guess that's everybody has that if you're in the public eye um i guess in our family it's just it happens at that perfect age where you're you know 13 years old and you've got that dorky bowl haircut and you're a bit chubby and um you know all the boys are

bullying you and all that kind of stuff like it's just it's it's it's you you know when all you need is reassurance that you're going in the right direction and you get like the opposite which is why Portugal is the dream because I I can go to the supermarket in my exercise care and my hair part off the top of my head and not mind not care no one cares so will the children be educated um i'll go to nursery or what's happening or he's at nursery in london okay yeah portugal is hopefully our forever our forever life in terms of half half we'd love that um but obviously i, not obviously, I think I'm going to educate them in England.

Did you go to boarding school? Yeah. Did you enjoy it? I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Where did you go? Marlborough. I loved it.

Was it always going to be that you were going to go to boarding school? Is that just a done thing? I don't know. No. Do you think you'd send your kids to boarding school yeah because you had such a good experience

at 13 my husband went to boarding school at 8 yeah brutal I mean looking at my sons now I want to hang out

with them I like playing with them I don't want them to leave but you did have a positive experience there so but from 13 right oh yeah so i'm a little bit

older and at that point yeah it was it was amazing to be with to board and then to be with all your friends and have that grown-up sensibility and all that kind of stuff but yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't send them an aid i haven't told you about that. You'll find out. Can I ask you where you like to eat when you go out? Do you go out for dinner a lot? Yeah. Not anymore. I used to go out a lot.

You've got two young kids. Your 30s, all of a sudden, everything is so much harder. How old are you? 33. You're a baby. I like going to bed now at like nine. I'm such a loser. I get into bed when I put the kids to sleep. I'll get into my bed.

My favourite place is my bed. Me too. And then just watch something and just kind of be like ready to be asleep by nine. And when do you eat? With your children? I eat at five o'clock. Oh, that's so cool. Mum thinks it's really weird.

I just... I love it. I like it for digestion. My friends do that and I think it's really cool. thinks it's really weird I just I love it I like it for digestion My friends do that And I think it's really cool Do you eat really late? We eat after The children have gone to bed

But they're They're still that They're too young For it to be like a fun Look it's It's not fun It's not fun Our dinners are not fun

But I love that whole Let's all sit down together Yeah Do you get into bed and thrash? Who with? On your own no sleeping no no no like when i get when i get really excited to get into bed i thrash oh right oh um i i can't say i'm a thrasher i mean i there are two kinds of people i'm a sloth they're uh you know no i just kind am like a slug sloth, and I just get in, and then I kind of don't move. I mean, literally, I could just be there the whole time. Me too.

It's like an Olympic sport, sleeping for me. I could win for Great Britain. Well, how are you sleeping at the moment? Like a log. So what, is he sleeping through the night? I like to find the cold patches in the bed, you know? I always get a leg out. Yeah.

I see your feet are still cold. Is he sleeping through the night, then? I think I've got magic children who take after me and Jack. They love sleeping. in the bed you know i was getting leg out yeah i see your feet are still cool yeah um is he sleeping through the night then i think i've got magic children who take after me and jack they love sleeping that's so good they love sleeping they sleep till well augie's up a bit early but early sleep till eight in the morning wow yeah and he's not feeding in the night anymore so not in there because right babe they are my children i think i think they heard me say in when they were in my tummy you will sleep because if i don't sleep i'm a dragon dragon yeah sleeps sleeps integral to me so when you would eat out where would you like to go um so this

is a very good question do you like mexican food love mexican food where was your first date with jack good question um we went to a place called osterio basilico in notting hill i don't know it it's had the best um pasta with like courgettes tomatoes prawns right up your street yeah yes yeah and it's on the corner one street across from portobello right oh nice that's quite romantic yeah what time of year was it uh oh um may around may and yeah because we'd met in march the optimism of spring early summer yeah and i remember like it was very one of the i was only 21 so or 20 it was like is he gonna text me and like you know when you text through your friends did you ever do that You know when you text through your friends Did you ever do that? To meet your boyfriend

At the time I used to text So we met through a couple I used to text her and Jack used to text him To get in touch with each other It was really sad You met him quite young then You'd just finished uni

No I was still at uni I was mid mid mid So we met When I was still at uni. I was mid-unit. Oh, yeah, right. So we met when I was 20, he was 24, and now I'm 33 and he's 37. And the order was prawn, tomato, courgette. Prawn, tomato, courgette, pasta. I remember it really clear because the prawns are really small and I used to think that was kind of cute.

And so we go there. I haven't been there for ages, actually. Maybe you need to go. Yeah, yeah we're gonna go on a date but so you're there and then we like going to this chinese place at the bottom of our road um called mingjiang and then where else do we like that in kensington um and then otherwise we like to like you know go to like friends places so our friends have an amazing pub called the Pelican

um on All Saints Road where's that All Saints Road Notting Hill Notting Hill yeah the Pelican's supposed

to be very fab and that's your mate's it's our mate's fab I know good food amazing we went there for lunch

the other day what we do is we like shove the children in bed and then run out and get well not run out someone who's in the house they won't and then we go out and we get we got is we like shove the children in bed and then run out and get, well not run out, someone who's in the house. Yeah, of course.

And then we go out and we get, we got, um, we, yeah, we had such a sweet Sunday pub lunch. It was so nice. Oh, that was lovely. Which is very on us. Jack quite likes pubs, but I, I'm not like, it's not like I live for pubs. What's your cocktail of choice? Um, tequila on the rocks with lime. Oh my God, you sound like a housewife of Beverly Hills and I'm here for it. It's great. Well, I guess. What kind of tequila on the rocks with lime oh my god you sound like a housewife of belly with beverly hills and i'm here for it it's great well i guess what kind of tequila

yeah yeah casamigos yeah it's so good yeah it's casamigos because that's only when we have like boxes and boxes of it at home but i don't drink it at home i drink it out so yeah but i wouldn't go no if i'm in like a restaurant i wouldn, I wouldn't order Casamigos on the rocks. I'd probably order... Wine? No. Oh, you mean for an aperitif? Yeah, I'd order like a gin and tonic or a vodka said lime or something like that.

And then it's like after dinner, I'd go into the Casamigos on the rocks. Party, party. Yeah. Did you used to go out dancing? Yeah. Where did to go out dancing? Yeah. Where did you go out dancing? Did you do Mahiki with Harry? No, Bougie.

No, wasn't it Mahiki? No, it was Bougie on King's Road. Yeah, I mean, oh, it's so sad. You did it. Come on, no, it's not sad. I did it all. Yeah, Mahiki and Bougie. And they were great times.

And now I've got two kids and I'm in my 30s and I like being at home. You're young. I have to say, though, it's quite fun. My favourite kind of club now, not that it's a club, but my favourite time of, like, dance party is in, like, a foreign country. Because they're always these, like, they're easier to get into. There's less anxiety. Like an outdoor nightclub. Yeah yeah like you can be on the

beach or something with your friends rather than right yeah right i don't know i think you should try homoblock babe it's wicked jesse it's a wicked rave you should go if you want to dance have a security there can i have a bit more yeah of course you can they'll be really hard yeah is it do you think it's cooked now? Yeah. Can I ask you? You have to go and meet people that you've never met before. Small talk. What's your first thing you say to them as a kind of small talk thing? What's your kind of opening line?

Because you have to meet so many people you don't know. Yeah, so it's an art form, small talk. Yeah. And we're very good at it in our family. Very good at it. Did you get trained by the queen no no um no but obviously we learned a lot from how to do things from granny and grandpa but actually um it's more like when you're when you're talking to someone

like you know like right now everyone's wearing the brooches poppy brooch okay where'd you get that from well that's beautiful yeah actually yours is gorgeous i noticed yeah and or or something like oh i love your haircut or like i think that sounds really bad but um i'm trying to think i'm going something on thursday and yeah so it's an army related thing so i'm i always at that point i'll channel it into oh what regiment are you from oh i'm in all the regiments no that's the point okay that's a really hard oh i like you know that means you're an engineer really doesn't oh great you're an engineer i like bridges bridges are really interesting aren't they amazing isn't it cool people can build tunnels under the water

blah blah yeah okay yeah but do you find people are so i think that when you sometimes you find people who are just not interested in what you've got to say at all not don't ever ask you a question about yourself but i imagine it's the opposite for you that they're very nosy no or scared to ask yeah i think it's more okay not us i my favorite kind of dinner or small talk moment is listening to them yeah so like you know one mouth two ears type thing like ask a question and then yeah listen yeah that's why you're a podcaster yeah yeah do you think you'd do another podcast that maybe wasn't um as serious as serious and with your mom i would love to, although I have heard that, like, podcasting, when it's so successful,

is when you are no-holds-bars. Is that the right term? No-holds-bars? No-holds-barred. Yeah. No-holds-barred. And you just... And I just don't think I'd be able to give everything to it. I definitely want to keep things for myself,

and we've always been taught that, you know, just to, you know, know not give the world doesn't need to know everything um about us and i think that's true jesse you should take a tip no i'm not a princess but yeah yeah i think um also yeah i just i've i've i i the way we've been brought up is to is to just yeah not I don't need to overshare although I've told you a lot of things I'm here for everything you've told us

and you're fascinating and brilliant you haven't overshared at all can I ask something it might be a bit rude I don't think it is a bit rude but as the royal family is more young do you think you are modernizing do you think you're i mean like you've said i wouldn't send my children to

boarding school till they're 13 so do you think there is changes in attitudes and it's becoming more modern well um i think with each change of monarch and it's less about modernizing and more about um becoming one with what what the monarch what the monarch believes in um and i think my uncle and my cousin are amazing examples of that for the future and the way they've been brought up and the work they believe in it's not like they're thinking oh oh, God, we're going to modernise it. It's just they... They're moving with things. Their belief systems are what the world believes in.

And that couldn't be better for a... Because your uncle, the king, was trailblazing about food, organic food. You know, the duchy, all those organic biscuits and food and products and everything and actually the the example that he sat down my cousin sets in terms of conservation and everything is is exactly the way we should be thinking yeah so i think yeah i guess it comes with naturally which is your belief system and how you how you. You'd have to be pretty immune to the world if you didn't change as the world changes. Last supper.

We ask everybody the last supper question. You have a... I'm still eating, is that all right? Yeah, of course. That's absolutely fine. You are going off to a desert island for a very long time, so you're going to have the last supper, your heavenly supper, before you leave.

A starter, a main, a pud and a drink of choice. Okay. I ask this for people, by the way, when I have nothing else to talk about. This is part of your small talk. Yeah, if I'm in a really boring dinner, I'll go to this one. So probably mac and cheese to start.

From a particular place? Well, I actually really like the one they have at soho house because they have it in a in a pan they bring it to you like in a little pot like a skillet that's like the one at burners inn burners tavern like that and they bring it to you and it's like really creamy and creamy and cheesy and dairy and full of dairy i haven't had that for a while you're going off somewhere. I'm dying, right? No, you don't have to be dying.

Oh, I can be on a desert island. You can be going to a desert island, so yeah. Okay, so mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. And then I'd probably have roast chicken. With everything. Like a proper roast dinner. Yeah, everything.

Yeah. Like. Stuffing. Stuffing. Bread sauce. Sausages. Bread sauce. Yeah. With the bacon wrapped around the sausages. Bread sauce. Sausages, bread sauce. Yeah.

With the bacon wrapped around the sausages. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roast potatoes. Gravy. Who does the best roast potatoes in the whole family? Oh, not me. Does your mum a good cook? No.

Dad? No. Would you have somebody else cooking for you? No. I have to eat that food. No. Would you have somebody else cooking for you? No. I'd have to eat that food. We, like, our, like, ritual is kitchen dinners. Oh, okay. So baked potatoes in the oven.

Yeah, yeah. Scrambled eggs, like, salad-y bits, things like that. And then, like, a big mix and match. Because you're out so much eating big posh dinners that you don't want that all the time. And that was, like that was like our tradition it's like not tradition but like it's the the nine o'clock bell and we all trial through and go and get all our yummy food so when you went to the pelican yeah what did you have for lunch what was your order i had turbot i love turbot yeah on the bone which is slightly terrifying

you know the fish head. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. And then, like, triple cooked chips, which are just ridiculously good. Delicious. Rice cooked chips.

And then lettuce, butter lettuce with, like, mustard vinaigrette. Yes. Oh, it's so good. And then jackfruit. I love butter lettuce. And what did you have for pud? Salted caramel mousse. No.

Chocolate salted caramel. Chocolate mousse with a salted caramel, like, drizzle. Oh, my word. Really good. Really good. So, what would you have for pud? Salted caramel mousse. No, chocolate salted caramel. Chocolate mousse with a salted caramel. Oh my word. Really good. Really good. So what would you have for your pudding? What's your favourite? Oh wait, have a, yeah, roast chicken.

This is my Desert Island. Desert Island. And there's this thing called a lemon goo. What, like the goo, like syllabub or? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sorry, sorry. Terribly explained. So, you know, like a key lime pie Yeah

It's like that but it's lemon And it's got ginger nut biscuit Mixed with a digestive biscuit crumb Oh lovely Is it a supermarket or you make it? I make it Wow, so how do you do the lemon? I don't make it, Andrew makes it

And is it lemon? Is it with gelatine in? No, no, so it's don't make it. Andrea makes it for us. And is it lemon? Is it with gelatine in? No, no, so it's like, how do I explain it? Like a lemon custard? No, ooh, no. Lemon curd? No. Puss it.

Like that, but like harder. So it's just lemon with cream? Yeah. But on a ginger. So it's like a lemon. Yeah, lovely. And then what I do is I get two digestive biscuits and I rub them together and then the crumbs all come on top.

Oh, wow. With some raspberries. Oh. My mum taught me that one. Very good. I like that. That's pretty good. And drink?

Drink of choice would be Diet Coke, probably. Really? You're not a Coke Zero girl. Or a Coke Zero. I was about to change my mind. I'm now a Coke Zero girl. You don't have wine? Maybe I would, but... You don't have wine? Maybe I would, but...

You don't like wine, really? No, I like wine, but... I think you don't. I do like wine. Are you sure? But for death row meal, I'd want, like, all the bottles.

Okay. You can have the bottles if you want. Well, then I'd have a white and a red and a pink champagne. Where do you stand on air fryers?

Have you got one? No, what are they? They're, I think, they're things that, what are they actually? I don't really know. They basically cook things very quickly. Like roast dinner. But like without all the oil. Yeah.

Because I'm thinking of getting one, Jo. That sounds interesting. Have you never heard of one? I don't think so. Do you have a chef? No no would you ever want one i think if i was gonna have anything i'd have someone to do my hair all the time me too and makeup yeah i just want someone to live in with me if i if i could if i had all the money in the world i'd have a full-time hair person me too living upstairs yeah me too. Yeah.

I wouldn't mind about food. I can do that. I can't do my hair. Yeah, I love... Yeah, I like full-time hair. And I also like someone who puts the dustbins out. Yeah. My husband does that.

He's got all that. Yeah. Live on your own and you're schlepping them out. They did these on Bake Off this week. Jesus, you really did buy the Gales cinnamon buns, babes. We bought, well... You bought those? Six was a good idea.

They're massive, aren't they? Yeah. Everyone should have one. There's some. Tell us about why you bought cinnamon buns. Because I have, like, a deep love and affection for them. Because? Because when I was pregnant, I had one a day probably.

They are very good. Would you like another tea? Oh yeah. Right, I'll make you one. What's this? I don't know, you have a little coconut blend. Yum. That is not yum, but you're being very enthusiastic. There were kind of 24 plums but they seem to

have gone a bit jammy. This looks really fun. I don't know what it's like. I think coconut's always a bit better than oat. What is it? Oat and coconut. Oh my god that is so good. You can take it home. Thank you very much. Take it out quick. Is that too strong? Should I get it out now? Yes. Perfect. we're supposed to only just go in for a sec that's great

it's really good that I like yes that's perfect Princess Eugenie can we ask Princess Eugenie P Eugenie can I ask you about a nostalgic

taste or scent from your childhood or somewhere that can transport you back somewhere good or bad oh my gosh probably like the smell of like canteen like you know

but from boarding school you know that smell of like cleaning, cleaning liquid with, like, burgers. Not a good smell. Do you like karaoke? I love karaoke. I actually did karaoke the other night. Why? Where were you?

I don't know why. I haven't done it for so long. And my friend, I went to my friend's house, and her dad really likes karaoke. And so after dinner, they put the song on. And they had a singing teacher there and everything. No, stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

That's what we need. And so she got it started. And everyone was kind of dragging their heels a bit. And I hadn't drunk enough, so I was hiding in the corner. And then the tequila hit. And it was like, right, now's my moment. I'm going to. Which song?

Eminem, Lose Yourself. Oh, my God. You went through it. Oh, my God. It was. and it was like right now's my moment i'm going to which song eminem lose yourself oh my god you went oh my god it was and i obviously i don't sing it properly when i'm like on my own because my tummy muscles were like he is a genius how he gets all those words out yeah i it was so bad so i and then i resurrected it with Oasis after that. Which one? Wonderwall. And did the singing teacher help you with breath control? No. Oh, crap singing teacher.

No, she got it all just starting and then left us, then just would stand in a corner and then would come on and sing really good songs. Is that a bit annoying? I mean, no, because it was funny. And it was like, everyone was like dancing and singing along. And it was like part of the whole vibe. This sounds very fun. Was this like a Wednesday night? No, this was a Friday night at a friend's house. Very unusual though and very un-me, but I loved it.

Oh, that's great. Was Jack there? Mm-hmm. And what did he... I made him do Lose Yourself With Me. Oh. He literally was looking at me like, why have you done this to us? Anyway. What was your cake at your wedding?

It was a half chocolate, half red velvet. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't like fruitcake, right? Yeah. Yeah, I hate fruitcake. Did you have to eat a lot when you were younger, Christmas? Oh, I don't know. The cherry thing.

I love it. No. Do you like Christmas pudding then? Yes, now. But that's like a grown up thing. I love it. No. Do you like Christmas pudding then? Yes, now. But that's like a grown up thing. Like when I was younger, I used to hate like bits with yoghurt. Actually, there you go. Okay.

Bits in orange juice, bits in yoghurt. You don't like it? Does that, is that your nostalgic taste? You're going to use a really proper dessert then, haven't I? No, but I like yoghurt. It's got no bits in it. And it's not orange juice. Okay.

And like, they used to scare me, you know. So I used to be quite picky with food. Where will you go for Christmas with the family who all get together? Norfolk. Oh, Norfolk. Yeah. And will there be, have you got any really good Christmas traditions? We all go to church on Christmas Day.

Mm-hmm. We open all our presents on Christmas Eve. Why? Christmas Eve? Yeah. I don't know. I think it might be a tradition from Queen Victoria, maybe. I actually don't know the ins and outs of it,

but that is always what we've done. That's nice. Christmas Eve I prefer to Christmas Day, actually. When does your Christmas tree go up? 1st of December. Yeah. Well, this Christmas tree's up already.st of December. Yeah. Well, this Christmas tree's up already. Have you met?

Yeah, I went past a house in Hambot Road and there's a Christmas tree up already. People get very enthusiastic. My husband has been known to put it in late November.

He loves Christmas. Thank you so much for coming and doing this podcast. Thank you. It's been a total treat to meet you. Yes, it was nice to meet you guys. For you to be,

you were so generous with everything you told us as well and i really appreciate it what yeah thank you what's the your rest of your day looking like um today i will probably go do some work i probably need to do some work um and look after my kids um and i think go to bed really early again oh yeah yeah i got my waitress order coming, so I'm really excited. What's in the waitress order? That's what I need to know. What's a regular? We do one order a week.

Yeah. And everybody piles on everything they can on Sunday night, and it comes Monday morning. But Sundays, it's quite sad looking at my fridge. So last night we got a curry. Which I never do. I never eat them. Jack and I were literally sitting for an hour

on Deliveroo like what on earth does this mean eventually how do they get into Kensington Palace or do they have to go through we just ring

we ring down and we say there's a Deliveroo coming and then we'll get in our pyjamas and drive down and go and pick it up they won't bring it to you

is it that much of a schlep bloody hell no we could walk but I don't want to be in my pyjamas you know outside up they won't bring it to you that much of a schlep bloody hell no we could walk but i don't want to be in my pajamas you know outside they don't bring it to you no oh god i wouldn't anyway sunday nights are quite sad but waitress order is normally like i mean yeah nothing really interesting on there like chicken sausages always always potatoes onions garlic we're not i'm not allowed onion and garlic in my parents house why because they worry about the breath oh god no champagne no onions no garlic

life is tough in public roles you've got to think about yeah yeah you didn't think about it the other day i had really garlic breath on a a photo shoot Oh no It was horrendous Oh no You nearly knocked me out That was not very kind But it was not very nice It wasn't very You literally told the whole

She's so respectful Of thinking about other people Oh no I'll eat the garlic And then I'll pop a mint in And hope And pray that no one smells me Yeah

Thank you so much for coming I would really like to come to Houser and Worth. Yes. And I would like to see you again. Yes, me too. And I would like us to become friends. Me too. And I would like you to come to my show.

Okay, good. And I would like this to carry on. So I can come back maybe for lunch when we don't have microphones as well? Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, you can come to my house for lunch. Love it.

Your house for lunch. Oh, yeah, I better order in now. Thank you so much. And good luck better order him now. Thank you so much. And good luck with the new series. Thank you. Now, just so you know, you may hear little children in the background. My children have just come because they've got an inset day at the end of half term, which is just annoying. So sorry for the noise.

I loved Princess Eugenie. She was lovely. Euge. She told me to call her Euge. Gave her my number. I really enjoyed chatting to her. I found her really warm and lovely and interesting. I knew she'd be fun. Yeah, she was fun.

She's just easy, wasn't she? Yeah. Thank you so much to Princess Yuge for coming on the podcast. Everyone should go and listen to Floodlights and everyone should go to House of Unworth and eat the food as well because it's really good. And I'm going to refer to her as the princess because I've never had a princess in my

house before and probably never will again. Wow. She wanted to come over for another lunch, didn't she? A delight. An absolute delight. Loved her. We should have done her a roast chicken. When she said, well, do you do this in the evening as well? I thought we could have had her over and had a few tequilas. She looks a bit sad not to be able to have tequila.

Yeah, a few cateeluk tequilas. You were already on them. Thank you so much for listening. We shall see you next week. I'm giving you a royal wave goodbye. See you later.