Table Manners with Jessie and Lennie Ware - S2 Ep 2: Paloma Faith

Episode Date: February 21, 2018

Paloma Faith - inspiring woman, powerful voice, beautiful hair. She taught us so much in this episode. Giving celebrities food poisoning. Random acts of kindness. And most of all: never trust your guest's temporary dietary requirements!Produced by Alice Williams Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to Table Manners or hello new listener. This is our podcast about food and family and I'm sat here with my co-host and extraordinary hostess with the mostess. She's giving me the weirdest face. This is my mother Lenny. Say hi. Hi. Oh now we're cooking series two mum and you've got a little sass hi so tonight we have a vegan we have I think a new vegan is she a new vegan yeah I think so okay I'm not gonna lie it's really tough cooking for vegans yeah we got away with it with Annie Mac with the brunch I think so okay I'm not gonna lie it's really tough cooking for vegans yeah we got away with it with Annie Mac

with the brunch I think brunch is much easier with vegans it's not gonna be the sexiest dish but it's hearty

it's really cold outside and I've been given the task of this because mum just couldn't be arsed could you mum don't have any

truck with vegans darling however you will like this person yeah I know I will she's always been really good to me Couldn't be arsed, could you, Mum? Don't have any truck with vegans, darling. However, you will like this person. Yeah, I know I will. She's always been really good to me. Yeah. I think she's gorgeous, vivacious, glamorous, great singer.

Loved her voice from the very beginning. Do you? In New York. You have her first album, don't you? I got her first album. Because I heard it on Steve Wright in the afternoon good old radio too I love them no but I loved it

New York yeah she's great she's a very strong woman in music who has a strong opinion which I love it's rather fearless and bright

and political and I was her support act at Somerset House and no bugger wanted me to support them and she kindly let me fill a slot and I will never forget that or yeah that was really kind of her she's always been really supportive to my music and we became mums around the same time so whilst we were pregnant I think lent her my spiritual midwifery book a hippie book about home births and breathing a baby out neither of us breathed that baby out I think we can both confirm and maybe I'll be in trouble with her later when we maybe compare birth stories maybe she won't talk about it I definitely sent her to my Ayurvedic guru

her name is Paloma Faith and we can't wait to have her on table Maybe she won't talk about it. I definitely sent her to my Ayurvedic guru. Her name is Paloma Faith and we can't wait to have her on Table Manners. Say Faith again. Faith. You don't say Faith. Faith. Faith. Sorry, Faith. We're all right, South London.

Sorry. Fuck. Paloma Faith. on the menu tonight i have gone with something that actually does work and my brother and sister really like it my sister did say that she was slightly disappointed in my choice because she said it wasn't exciting enough however i think it's really delicious it's puy lentil bolognese so it's puy lentils you soak or you can just get those merchant gourmet ones which are great it's just basically like the base of a meat bolognese but you add puy lentils instead and then i've added a chili and a jewel date and you can't

put a beef stock cube in that has but it has no beef in it you know it doesn't it's just oh yeah vegan beef stock cubes mom i've read i've heard of them no darling it's those beef stock cubes do not i've not got beef in not real beef who's that woman that got sued for the chicken stock yeah she put stuff in the pool yeah i'm not doing that people i'm not doing that to playarian people. I'm not doing that to play them up. They closed the restaurant. Well, there you go. I'm not closing our podcast down for that. So, puy lentils and you, I've added sun-dried tomatoes to kind of give a bit more depth and some garlic and mushrooms because I feel like mushrooms are the meat of the vegetable world. And I, you zhuzh up a bit of it. So, it kind of feels like it's.

You can do cauliflower steaks now mark from spencer sell them for vegans thanks for telling me now yep but yeah so it's actually really tasty and kind of lighter and yeah poor cow's having it with a courgette and then i tried a pudding this like you really fucking left me with this one excuse me two days running mom i reel them in okay darling and then you deliver i had to go to the osteopath today because he said i've strained my back from leaning over the stone honestly i'm sorry yeah um it's been a tough week in the kitchen however um yeah i'm sorry i don't have much time for vegan desserts they fucking pissed me off you could have got i got young thai raw coconut meat flesh

i was gonna do some like chocolate coconut young coconut fruit salad i was trying to make it a bit more exciting because i was trying to you know what's happened now well i tried it you needed a proper blender so it was just like this cacao piece of shit jesse please something and it's not being used so that's attractive that's being given to the husband he was quite happy actually no i'm happy this is one that my husband and i have done for ages when we've like dabbled in veganism. Medjool dates filled with almond butter or peanut butter. We've done two different ones. Mum is pulling her face.

You're going to try it and you're going to be surprised. I sprinkled a little bit of sea salt on it and you shove them in the freezer. And? They're like frozen Mars bars. They're like Mars bar ice cream I do not believe you try one mum they're really good are you going to give her one?

that's what she's getting I hope she comes soon because I want to watch the second part of Silent Williams Paloma Faith thank you for coming thanks for having me you've brought a posh bottle of wine some Ferrero Rocher

and Turkish cake yeah thank you so much you're an excellent guest already did I just want to ask because I'm a bit competitive did other people bring things? no

tell you who bought Sandy Toksvig bought me chocolates. And nobody else bought anything. Ungrateful sons of bitches. I know, I know. So thank you. Thank you so much. Why aren't boys raised properly that they don't bring things?

It's true, the girls. Boys, no. This is what my husband does. When he goes to a friend's, we go to a friend's place for dinner. Sam brings four beers for himself like he's still at a house party and he's 16 it's so rude why does he do that because he's a prick i'm lucky mine always brings something more than me almost your your other half yeah he'll be like what can we take what can we take oh i love him and then he's like i've got to go to

the shop i'd rather be late and then go empty-handed oh that's he sounds great we should have had him too yeah yeah someone had to babysit well no thank you thank you for doing it i know it's tough when you i don't know it's child care it's the worst and being a pop star in child care is really interesting isn't it well it's like everyone wants you to set your hours but we live in an industry where the hours aren't set so they're all just like really um um like they they're just like don't bend at all mine's angry at me if i'm five minutes late what your nanny oh your nanny all right it'd be like but I'm like well they you know it took five minutes extra because you know some other pop star soundchecked

for too long or something I know what I'm constantly saying sorry yeah but what's that to the people that look after my children what you do is you say like she'll say can you can you do this mum on this day and i say yeah of course i can so i i alter everyone around and then she changes and then she changes it and she says i don't change she says motherfucker but then alex because alex my son her brother is helping and he's a doctor. She just slipped that in. Sorry, just wanted you to know. Yeah, you've got some really high achieving children. High achievers, yeah.

And so he's wanting to help Jessie because he's having this year out and he's locuming. And then Jessie says, oh, I don't need you now. And he's not taken work on or he's done work. And anyway, it's really hard. Can we just go back to basically, Paloma, you did say you were vegan. You did kindly say, but if your mum needs to give me chicken or fish, I will.

But I felt like I had to honour the veganism that you said. No, but I'm not a vegan. I'm just on a diet. Are we all, babe? I just felt like it was the quickest because all the vegans I know are skinny but you're thin I am quite thin but I've got about

a few pounds left to go before I'm back to what I was post baby keep the reserves just in case you get sick I just I did the same thing with veganism where Sam had watched lots of those what the health documentaries he was like babe we've got to like change the world and i was like

will i lose lots of cool i'm down babe and instead i just like ate those because i was like oh must like eat a vegan treat because it's actually so vegan vegan it's guilt free but it's not is it so well apologies we could have had a meat feast we could have had a burger and chips I probably would have been like oh I've got no excuse I have to eat it and been secretly

I should have read between the lines I could order in if you want I apologise. You've got puy lentil bolognese. With courgette. It actually is quite nice and it tastes nearly like meat. Mum told me to put a beef stock in it.

I didn't because I was trying to, you know, be kind to you. Yeah, but it's not moral. You're not doing some moral class. I'm totally self-absorbed. Well, you can have some parmesan then. Yeah. I've got you courgetti your lucky thing you don't need to or you can have wholemeal pasta it's just i've got body dysmorphia but darling you look gorgeous honestly you wore now you wore something shiny on graham but you can't wear shiny if you're fat. My mum hates me having this conversation.

Why? She's going to kill me if she's listening. Because she said there's nothing worse than a thin person saying they're fat. The most annoying thing ever. But you've got a beautiful body. You look gorgeous. It's fine.

You can say it. Well, I mean, look, so I don't know if you know much about this podcast but it it it revolves around food we love food yeah me too we love it so much so yeah that's the problem i know i'm feel very sorry that it's kind of a no but i'm sure it's gonna be amazing it's a good one so when you go on tour what will you feed and if you take your baby with what would you what would you feed the baby well the child the kid is eating pretty much everything now so if you're on tour how will you well there's catering okay so i'm thinking that i'm going to give them two cookbooks one is my favorite baby cookbook called annabelle carmel no oh baby led weaning feeding cookbook which is

great because it's got loads of recipes you can eat in it as well and the other one is for me called doctor's kitchen have you heard about this it is so amazing from it yeah it's this gp from the nhs and i know we're all big fans of yeah um and he believes that like that the way and the pressure on the nhs would be alleviated quite a lot if people ate better and he's done the cookbook to sort of teach you how to do it we've got to buy it he's brilliant and you should talk about him. We should get him on. So, yeah, he sort of writes about his research. He writes about all the diets, all the healthy eating methods and everything and all his research and what he thinks about them all.

And then he sort of breaks it down as like the best way to kind of live, really, as like the best way to kind of live really is plant-based majority, which is kind of like, he talks about it as like... Mum, we can hear your phone going. Oh, she's ordering it on Amazon. Doctor's Kitchen. Right. He sort of talks about it being like a caveman.

He's a doctor's man. He's really attractive. No, I meant... But he's really attractive he's really attractive also but um um he basically says like we should live like we did in like caveman times which is basically plant-based hunter gatherer kind of right okay and then once a week you have protein from an animal because you wouldn't like hunt every single day you'd probably like he says once or twice a week you have protein from an animal because you wouldn't like hunt every single day you'd probably like he says once or twice a week have fish or chicken or something and then the rest

of the time you have to sort of just live off the land is that what you do uh yeah but i'm not growing it in my garden i'm buying it and saying to bruce that's fine that's fine that's fine um but yeah that's what i'm trying to do so we'll eat like fish and chicken maybe once twice a week and since i've been doing it i know this is really crass but my bowel movements oh i love talking about bowel movements like it's my favorite so much and they say that the health is in the gut don't they so i'm i agree with him that it works it's like since i've been doing it I will go at 7 a.m and 7 p.m that's so good to know I'll think of you tomorrow morning at those times of day

um so you're Spanish are you not is your mother your mother's Spanish my mother's English from Norfolk and my father's Spanish oh okay so did you grow up eating a lot of Spanish food? Yeah, and Italian because I've got relatives there as well. Oh my god, the best of both worlds. A lot of olive oil. Yeah, and do you know what? I've got the best because my stepdad is Chinese. Oh my god! Yeah.

So I've got the three, in my opinion, they're my three favourite cuisines in the world. Where do you go for Chinese in London? Queensway. Yeah. What's it called? The best ones are up there.

Okay. So pretty much all of them are brilliant because they're in competition with each other. Right. Do you go for dim sum? Dim sum, I wouldn't go to Queensway. I'd go for roast duck in Queensway. But dim sum, there's one in Greenwich on a roundabout and i can't remember what it's called it's really good yeah but i think they got shut down recently for health

but it was good it was delicious with all that mouse meat in it do you know do you know chinese people have bought white lees? Have they? Yeah, in Queensway. And they're going to, they've asked to shut down Queensway and make it pedestrianised, which would be nice. To make it like a Chinese community. Well, it's the best, I think it's way better than Chinatown. Yeah, I think it is too. And I know because people apparently come from,

well, my stepdad said he was talking to somebody and they said that people come from china to eat the roast duck there because the the process the chinese process is amazing but the duck that is raised in britain is the best duck in the world they reckon and if you go and have it off the bone it's amazing i just have that pork duck and rice you can have char siew which is barbecue pork or you can have crispy pork and duck and rice excuse me this is the vegan I know honestly Jessie we could have gone out I know we could have gone out out couldn't we bloody berber and Q or something like that. I shouldn't have said anything.

We should have got bloody Turkish. Tell her what Ed Sheeran said. What did he say? Why bother with abs when you can have kebabs? Can you believe that? Every meal he has, he has two. So if he has lasagna, he'll order fish and chips as well. Gluttony.

Can you cook? Yeah. What do you can you cook yeah I can really cook and I'm once cooked for two high profile people and they've both gone around telling everyone that I can't cook because I gave them food poisoning so mean did you it was Alan Carr and Adele and it was years back but I'm actually a really good cook, and I feel bad. Did you give them food poisoning? Yeah. Did you give it? Maybe it was Noro.

You don't know. I had it as well, but I have to say it was the Tesco's. What was it? I went in. It was their lamb. It wasn't me that gave them food poisoning. Was it delicious? It was really delicious.

That's so unfortunate. But you know what's really bad? She gave her dog some as well, and the dog got the shit in. I'm not worried about that. Louie's all right. Oh, man. But that was ages ago. But actually, I feel, like, bad because I am actually quite a good cook.

Do you cook every night? Yeah, I cook most days and most nights. And I'm really obsessed by cooking quite nice food for the baby. Oh, me too. It's like, I go gourmet. Yeah, me too. But now she's completely throwing it back in my face. Really?

Oh, yeah. And it's awful when you graft away on a meal for your child, and then you think it's amazing, and they're just like... But then you eat it. Please just give me cheese on bread. I know, I know. Baked beans. All she wants is baked beans.

It's funny. It is funny, though. You just want them to like everything, don't you? Yes. But I find that some days you try one thing and they go... And the next day they love it. It's just about trying. It's psychological, isn't it? It's like trying to figure out how much power do I have?

How much control do I have? Absolutely. Not a lot. Not much. But am I going to be dictated to or not sort of thing and they're just testing boundaries it's um yeah she's definitely testing but i do like loads of i do like lasagna in little muffin tins so they're like mini baby oh do that that's a good idea look everything in the muffin tins fantastic cottage pie oh jesse that's such a good idea good i don't want to make this too much about like us being mums but i do feel like it's really lovely to acknowledge and maybe give ourselves a high five that we managed to survive and put

records out in how did we do that that was a bit weird and mental doing it whilst being pregnant and I just kept telling myself like you can't be a diva and everyone else goes back to work when did you did you go back to work quite early five months yeah I mean like but I bet you were still working before that kind of on emails and whatnot and thinking... Bits and bobs. But I feel like the birth was so traumatic and awful and I came so close. I apologise. It's all right.

My one's premature. Oh, shit. I didn't realise that. I had everything, premature, caesarean, 20 hours of labour. Oh, babe. And just had my piles sorted out today. The piles are the worst.

It's the worst thing. Honestly. They never go, either. I know. I just had them injected with something. Oh. No one tells you about that. Tell them.

Tell you about tearing your fanny. I think I prefer to have my fanny torn. They don't tell you about your... And they don't tell you that you get piles even if you have a cesarean. That's really unfair. No, because she put for 20 pushups. Well, it was 20 hours, that's why. You were so unlucky there.

Would it put you off having an after? No, of course I want to do it again. Yeah, I know, this is it. How early was it? Only a month. A month? That's terrible. No, you're just on the cusp of it being like really a premature

problem but i my waters broke at seven months and then i kept it in for a month it must have been such a worry it's called premature rupture of waters and then i had to go every 40 hours to the hospital for a month that's gonna really to really de-stress you. And then it sort of kicked in at eight months. Do they know why it happened? They have no idea. So isn't something that might happen again? It is something that could happen again. So you'd be prepared at least?

Yeah. That'd be all right. Because once you've had a premature baby, there's a chance you might have another premature baby. Did you take it easy in your pregnancy have another premature baby like did did you take it easy in your pregnancy were you quite like did you look after yourself I don't know what take it easy means because I'm not very good at yeah I think I naturally push myself in all areas of my career in life can do you I mean I had this conversation with Annie Mac Annie Mac was very

much the person that was like, go have a baby. You're going to find that you're even more driven. You're more focused. When you had the baby, it just kind of puts you in a different... And for me, that has happened. You feel like that's happened with you, that you kind of feel like you want to work even harder.

Yeah. It's crazy. But I also feel as well that I've always been quite driven and quite focused but I feel like I'm much more like my time is more effective so because I want to spend time with my baby and not miss things when I am like in the studio or in an interview or whatever I get it all or a photo shoot I get everything done really fast I'm just like not it doesn't take me any time to warm up yeah yeah totally it's just like I'm just in it

and then I'm like can I go early how did you did you did you find um because you was you were writing after your baby was born weren't you like me I found out that I wrote better songs once my baby was born did you feel like kind of you had like a new kind of lease of like yeah totally like a different perspective I had a different confidence and perspective and kind of different emotions going on well the album that I've written all about the outside world and I think that's what happens inevitably when you've had kids, is you start looking at the world around you less about yourself.

Yeah. So I think that was the main change. Because I've written, like, quite a... Well, I've tried to write a socially conscious album, but without it... But not in the 1960s sense. I find it quite irritating the way like journalists either sort of criticize me for it not being completely directly political

or criticize me for um even writing something socio-political, as if it's, like, a really new idea that hasn't been happening all through the 50s, 60s and 70s, which is ridiculous. But, like... And 80s, with the punks. But I sort of purposefully didn't make it directly in-your-face political, because I don't think we live in a society where that's

something that would be listened to because I think like our our generation is apolitical so in order to sort of talk about politics you can't just go straight not even politics it's the wrong word socio-political issues or moral issues that affect community. You can't just go, like, I'm going to write a song about homelessness and it not mean multiple things. Otherwise, people will just switch off because they're like, don't want to be lectured. With this album, I sort of was thinking about,

from the perspective of being a new mum I really want to give this child this new person a new generation like a message and what's the base level of it without getting into politics or without pointing a finger or without sort of making it into something that people may turn off from and the the base level of what I want to teach the new generation is like, just put yourself in someone else's shoes. It's a very basic idea. I understand that. But the thing is, when I was kind of in the 60s, 70s,

and I went to university and then I started working, you know, it was nuclear disarmament, women's liberation, fighting for our rights, women's equality, all of this. It's mad that we're still fighting that, isn't it? Yeah, and it seems to me that the world has turned upside down again. And digressed. Because all the things that you thought you were confident about, it's all reversed.

And you're not confident. But I never thought people would hate people because of this. You know, we thought that we wouldn't hate people because of the colour of their skin or where they came from. Or different religious beliefs. Different religious beliefs. It's now all revived again. Yeah. And I can't believe we're back at that stage.

I agree with you. It was there way before you know that i fought for and then so long and you're right when you say young people are apathetic yeah and apolitical in that era musicians all spoke about it and every single one of them wrote a song about it and every single one of them spoke about it and now no one does and if you do you've got to sort of disguise it as something that could mean multiple things which is fine you know whatever it's a new era but it's sad to me that people go eye roll oh she's on a soapbox and it's like no actually it needs to happen and you see sort of like things like that um i i really thought it was brave and great that kesha yeah did what she did at the grammys and all those other

artists stood next to her and did it and it wasn't about how well she sung or whatever people want to criticize whether she's gone away and put on weight or whatever which they do to women anyway like you're not allowed to because you're a woman but like irrespective of all that what she did was incredibly brave and she made a stand for something

that is otherwise brushed under the carpet. There's been lots of talk about it but like and I keep on getting asked it do you think the Brits should do an acknowledgement of time's up yeah but i also feel like i don't know about you but i've never experienced that in my career and i'm not sure if it's a difference culturally between uk and america but i've never experienced a man in the music industry in the UK say anything inappropriate to me but I also think that I'm the type of person that would scare people in like they wouldn't be able to do it to me because I'm so vocal so no one in their right mind who's

planning on saying something sexually inappropriate to a woman would say it to me. Because I'm so like, right, I'm going to tell everyone who just said that. And I think that wouldn't happen. So my experience is that I haven't. But that doesn't mean to say I can categorically say it doesn't go on in this country. But I also, on the flip flip side have never met a woman myself included in my entire life that hasn't experienced sexual assault or abuse or an inappropriate and that is bad yeah so hashtag me too because of that but not within my industry right does that make sense absolutely but i have

been sexually assaulted several times and i've had people say sexist things to me on a day-to-day basis particularly since i just got my house redecorated and plumbers and electricians what's happening? baby's asleep phone's going on silent brilliant I am I don't know about you but I'm worried about my baby coming on tour and the set up on the tour bus

have you done it yet? no I'm about to do it there's nothing on google you know you can go on mumsnet and just go like anything. Somebody else has experienced it. There's nothing. If you put in baby on tour, zero. Yeah, you have to ask people.

When is your tour? So my tour, I'm going to bring her on the European tour, which is two weeks. And then the UK one weeks it's in a month but the UK I won't take her because I think she could just be with my mum she could come to Manchester

to see the family but you know I think she doesn't need to be on the tour bus she could be sleeping in her own bed with my husband and you know what I mean so for me I think it's unnecessary

and then America we're doing about a month and you know what I mean so for me I think it's unnecessary and then America we're doing about a month and you know my my tour is not it's not going to be glamorous I'm I'm sharing a tour bus with with the band and the baby yeah I don't think they thought that was going to happen either no I've never had a star room before so a star room for anybody listening is a kind of a it's it's a room at the back with a double bed usually and it's like a private room on the tour bus so usually you're just that's what you're supposed to have well no you you should but like that's when you're earning one of those and you can still hear everyone if they're drunk downstairs well i'm just more scared that they're going to hear the baby don't give it i'm more scared for the baby yeah it's scared for the baby give them well then you have to just pick and

choose who's darling by earplugs just have people so i'm just not gonna have my crazy bass player exactly alex is going with them to help so my brother's coming on tour with me to help your brother yes he's taking time off work being a doctor i love your whole family no it's brilliant it's going to be completely dysfunctional and i'm sure i'm going three days in i love this was mum mum was supposed to be the nanny for coachella and she went well no darling i'm watching you no so the baby's coming to coachella too everyone's going to think this sounds very glamorous it's it it's going to potentially be hell potentially be hell darling i'll have to come out again to America mum was offering to drive the Winnebago

there is no Winnebago she said darling why don't we buy a Winnebago and I'll just drive it I'll pay for it whilst we talk about tour buses I feel like we should eat because it's really late I'm starving and I feel a bit drunk sorry

have you got food darling are you sure you want courgette or do you want some pasta as well? I'll go for what you made, yeah. So, look, we're eating now. It's pre-lentil bolognese with courgette. Paloma, would you like some parmesan cheese? Yes.

I can't now. Right. Of course she does. Poor thing. Starving. I've come to your house. I know, don't. some parmesan cheese yes of course she does poor thing starving I've come to your house I know don't I've made you work

I'm so sorry thank you what's your is your next single what is your next single Till I'm Done and it's about women who are

the whole song's about women sort of carrying their men and in the video I carry a man through the desert and I'm wearing sequins. How did that, how was that for you? It was very important for me to wear sequins. Fair enough, fair enough. How hard was that? What lifting? Yeah. Really difficult, my arms ached the next day. But actually the director, a man, came up to me afterwards and said, I can't believe

you just did that. Why? What, that you carried him? Yeah, I was like, let me get this straight, Thomas. When I say I can do something, I can do it. Good for you, amen sister. Good for you. Mum, I'm sorry, I have to say.

What, darling? Like, I know sorry I have to say... What darling? Like I know it's lentils but it does, it's alright isn't it? It's okay. It's fine. This is way better than anything I've ever eaten on Sunday brunch. Jessie it wasn't bad. For vegan bolognese. I thought you cooked for this

you said your mum cooked I know, yeah she said because I said Plum is vegan she said count me out, that's your gig but I'm not vegan I know but I didn't want I saw vegan and I didn't want to like abuse it you said what are your dietary requirements

I said I'm eating vegan at the moment yeah so I wanted to honour that. But I'm not a vegan. You said dairy-free, vegan, and... But definitely dairy-free. Yeah, apart from the cheese that you just had. Yeah. Parmesan, I don't count.

Oh, man, I should have just called you on the phone. Look, I'm sorry, we will re-invite you back, and you will have the meatiest meal with my mother just to kind of bring it back to food the podcast is called Table Manners what is your worst gripe about other people's table manners

their manners is there one thing that really pisses you off about when you're out for dinner with somebody no not really. I'm quite relaxed. I do think it's kind of bad when people put ketchup on things that are really nice. You can never go for dinner with their children then. Really?

Yeah. Is that what he does? Yeah. He said ketchup and cucumber can solve... Is that what he said? Everything. Everything, yeah. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.

Did you eat as a family when you were growing up? Yes. So I feel like food's been a massive thing in my life. Like, my father was an incredible cook. He's a Spanish one. Like, I've never tasted cooking as good as his in my entire life. What was your favourite dish of his? Or one of them.

Well, he's Spanish, so some Spanish things like paella were really good. But he lives in Portugal and he does a lot of really good Portuguese cooking, like bacalhau a brache and stuff like that. But he's really good at making little scotch eggs and stuff who makes a scotch egg? I don't know anybody that makes a scotch egg amazing, he's such a good cook so that's in my memory and then my stepdad did a lot of cooking

I think in my memories a lot of men have cooked not as much as women all the women I know have been, like, too busy working and just, like, just have, you know, pasty and a bit of chopped up cucumber. Did your mum work hard then? Yeah, my mum was a single-parent working woman. That was, like, I guess where I've learnt my way of living from. Because that's all I've ever seen is, like, a woman doing everything

and sort of muddling through. Do you think that's why you're maybe going so gourmet on your baby's meals? Yeah, because I used to, like, just eat, like, a packet sausage roll with bits of cucumber chopped up or tomato sauce on pasta, that was it. And now I'm like, I've got to experiment with all these different meals. But do you know what I think about babies? They just like repetition.

So they want to eat the same meal every night and they want to read the same book before bed and then they want to just go to bed at the same time which is your book though I'd like to know do you know what it's hilarious because I'm good friends with Fern Cotton oh is it Yoga Baby

yeah and we just read that every single night and the song that will make my child go to sleep is Laura Mavula, She. And since birth, that's the kind of like immediate hypnosis song. That's so lovely. Because it sounds kind of chimey.

Laura's so talented. And I've texted Fern about the book, and I've texted Laura about the song. That was really nice. My kid likes this bloody one called Goodnight Moon, which literally is the ugliest looking book. I find that book quite complex. Really?

I've got that, Goodnight Moon. The cow jumped over the moon. Goodnight clocks and goodnight socks. I do, A, you're adorable, B, you're so beautiful. I don't know this. C, you're a cutie full of charm. Who is this? D, you're delightful.

E, you're exciting. And F, you're a feather in my arm. Is it like Frank Sinatra or something? Kind of five. G, you're so good to me. H, you're so heavenly. I, you're a something. Oh my God, I'm going to try that.

It's quite complicated. You have to know all the words, though. I've got it in the book form. Oh, get it. What's your favourite food if you want to indulge? I'd say my all-time favourite meal would probably be, in my memories, this paella that I ate in Spain that was made on, like, a log fire. And it was massive, the tray, like, two metres by two metres. And I've had it stuck in my head.

But do you know what? Recently I've been going through this weird thing where I've got these amazing memories of the taste of things from childhood and I seek them out and they're not as good. Such as? So, like, mainly chocolate. Because my first word was choc-choc before mama or papa. Are you a choc-holic?

Yeah. So choc-choc. So what chocolate have you gone for that wasn't as good? There was this Cote d'or one that I thought was amazing and I just didn't think it was as good when I tried it I've got some cote d'or in the you don't want to try it no I've tried it recently

there was a Spanish one that I just bought back from Spain the other day called Al something Almendra or something it's like a Turon company and I bought it back from Spain thinking it was like, I've got such great memories. And it was awful.

If you weren't a pot star, what would you be? I think I'd like to help people like asylum seekers. Do you work with any charity? I do some bits with Oxfam. I've done lots of stuff with them. And help refugees I've done and then I'm working a bit at the moment because my new website I'm really excited about is it's my website plomafaith.com but it's all dedicated to spreading an epidemic of kindness so it's created i've got it sort of um split into four sections of worlds you can help with

environment empathy kindness and uh i can't remember the other one because i've had a glass of wine but go on it and um each thing links to like ways you can help. And it's not just based on financial, which I think is really bad that everyone thinks that helping to make the world better is financial because it isn't. So it's mainly about being actively trying to help. So I've been working a lot with a friend's charity called Kindly, which is all about kindness. So give an example of kind of. which is all about kindness and so give an example of kind of so each section is it you go you tap into it and then it says five ways you can start helping today for example the environment says switch the light off when you leave the room turn the tap off when you're brushing your teeth try and recycle reuse containers like things like that kindness will be like help somebody who looks

like they need help in the street check on a neighbor that lives alone and ask them if they want you to do anything for them or don't just give a homeless person money ask them a question acknowledge their existence you know like that kind of thing so that's all what I've dedicated this album and this website to and I'm trying to do as much as I can well good for you man that's amazing it's I think it's really important because the the kind of metaphor that I use for it is like if everybody for example if we if we took the UK and then we just isolated London and we know that nine million people live in London and then if we said to nine million people in London please can you give 50 pence

towards x y and z we'd make 4.5 million pounds immediately and 50p is not much so i was like okay so if we took away the money aspect and we asked everybody in the uk to do one nice thing a day to make the world better then we'd have a better world even if it wasn't completely cured it directly translates into like an improvement if every individual is consciously trying to do something hello i'm gonna you know what i kind of feel like we should just have what you brought over for yeah for dinner well it's the little gate things that you stuff with peanut butter you do want to try another vegan delight let's do all of this all right fine perfect right paloma's bought far more appetizing and appealing treats like that what you've brought

is definitely not vegan it's a turkish like honey cake sam kindly because i'd already tried two vegan desserts that are currently just sitting over there because they nearly got thrown in the bin they just haven't got thrown in the bin sam did you make this up bubba so here is sam's speciality here with the jaw dates peanut butter or almond butter so you basically you de-pip the date and then you plomp in your peanut butter, put it in the freezer, Bob's your uncle, dessert, so hoi.

Well, the sea salt was Jessie's extra added on flavour, which I don't think was necessary. And then you'll end up looking like Sam. Yeah, he eats loads and he looks... I'm growing a beard. Grow a beard and lose your hair. It'd be great. Yeah, you should eat loads he looks... I'm growing a beard. Grow a beard and lose your hair. It'd be great. Yeah, you should eat loads of them.

It's like... This is... I think it's like a Mars bar. I think it's basically like this. It's frozen. I think you're fucking deluded. It's like a throw-away washer. It's like a throw-away washer.

Oh, it's frozen? Yeah. So don't break your teeth. Jessie, I can't get my mouth through it. How good is that? Who knows? No, but... No, it's not chocolate.

Jessie, is the stone still in the middle? No, it's not. Jessie, is the stone still in the through it. How good is that? It's nice. No, but... No, it's not chocolate. Jessie, is the stone still in the middle? It's like a Snickers. It's like a Snickers, thank you. Why are they so hard in the middle? It's a healthy treat. Is that what you eat, Sam?

For a healthy treat, it's not bad, right? Is that what you do snack on? Oh, yeah. We're wild, aren't we? Actually, it doesn't taste bad. Thank you. It's pretty delicious. You're thinking about having another one. Do you know what I'm thinking? I'm going to make them.

There, that's what we want. What did you cook for Ed? Sausage casserole. Was that a request? No, we could have taken requests. What did you cook for Sam? Turkey meatballs. Oh, there's...

No, she's comparing, because she thinks she's got... My baby loves turkey meatballs. I feel like I've let you down, and you're already asking what everybody else has, which makes me think that maybe you don't want to be a vegan. Nice is not good enough. That isn't going to make the cookbook but it's been a pleasure

thank you so much for taking time out of being I know it's like and I appreciate you being here I was happy to have a night off I just I'm slightly envious that your child will sleep till 8 o'clock in the morning she will Jessie

I love that my mother thinks that she is the perfect sleeper when you don't sleep with her. My little sod coughed all night and still slept through the night. Anyway, listen, Paloma, it's been a pleasure to have you. Thank you so much.

And next time we will promise to not cook you a vegan dinner. Have a roast dinner. Yeah, we'll have a roast. But no, thank you so much. You've been a star. Thank you. dinner have a roast dinner yeah we'll have a roast but no thank you so much you've been a star thank you i thought she was gorgeous she was gorgeous really lovely she's a really interesting girl i loved her hair i know and her long it's hers and it's hers yeah look fab i think she was a bit pissed off that she got my cooking

and a vegan meal at I'm not going to like piss me off when she added the parmesan and I knew she would because I would have done some fucking chicken I think it was all fine darling

I think it was a bit homely you know what next time next time I think it was all fine, darling. Don't say fine. I think it was a bit homely. You know what? But it was a good recipe. No, next time, why don't you, what, cook the vegan offering? If we get another vegetarian or vegan, then you do it. Okay, fine. Game on. Game on.

How's things going about Sadiq coming? Well, funnily enough, I text his right-hand woman and dangled the carrot again, and she said, we're on, we just need to find the right date. OK. Because I drove through Tooting and thought about him today. I wonder if we could do afternoon tea for him. What would you do with afternoon tea?

I've got my three tiered plate And I'd do lovely sandwiches And I'd do very nice cakes Little fancies Mum's feeling pretty Big for her boots after the Sandy Toxford Victory with the Clementine cake The one cake, yeah, that I've ever made

But Alex could make them Yeah, basically we just need Alex. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, review, or whatever you fancy on your favourite podcasting app. Perhaps you could try Acast. Actually, how is our rating? We've got five star on podcast charts, so that's cool. Jessie seems so down to earth and her mum is so sweet.

I don't know about these being sweet. Sweet. But I i'll take that should we see some of the rude ones oh undeserving of top spot please create more interesting con you know what you okay someone's written good crazy dog milo don't know who you are mate but you've put good but then given us a one star that makes no sense my first review oh brilliant perfect will be short and sweet

nice chatty easy listening funny in places informative my only criticism would be no need to swear oh god in front of your mum

and use such foul language especially in front of your mum I agree I know it's modern language and this is now acceptable personally I don't think you need to do this

as it cheapens your great conversation you know what though fair enough but you've given us a really nice review and you've given me one star is my swearing that bad that I have knocked off four stars who's Jamie O

a bit insincere didn't learn anything from the guest either Sam Smith didn't know where Mexico was he thought it was in Europe what are you talking about that's brilliant Jessie you've got to take them on the chin striking a balance not for me

uninspiring and uneventful Jessie I love you you're down to earth and such a beautiful artist mum and wife how does he know that love bonnie i saw you're all saints i remember you bonnie and i love you too where was all thanks darling it was a gig anyway so maybe i'll start asking on stage for a five star in my tour i could start jesse you can't do that that's not right why not

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