Talking Simpsons - Talk To The Audience?!? - July 2024

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

While The Simpsons news wasn't as busy as the real news this month, there's still a ton to catch up on in the July edition of our monthly community podcast. Not only that, but we had a month full of c...ool podcast guest appearances mixed with personal annoyances that took up more than a week of our lives. Then we catch up on all the movies/TV/games we experienced in July, tease some special upcoming podcasts, and (as always) respond to our favorite Patreon comments! Support this podcast, hear it ad-free, and get 180+ bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, hoy, everybody, and welcome to Talk to the Audience, where this is always death. I am one of your hosts, the unrelated to Sabrina Carpenter, Bob Mackie, and who is here with me today, as always. It's Henry Gilbert, and I predicted we would have another Talk to the Audience out this month. How did you see it coming? Yes, this is Talk to the Audience. It's our monthly community podcast. It launches at the end of the month on Patreon,
Starting point is 00:00:37 at the beginning of the month on the free feed. And in this podcast, we cover what's happening in the Simpsons world and in our world. And we also cover your questions and comments from the last month of episodes. And it is another slow news month because the Simpsons is taking the summer off, as it has done for the past 35 years. But we have news about the premiere. But a lot of political things have been happening lately. I don't know if you've noticed.
Starting point is 00:00:58 If you're paying attention to the news, there's snipers. There's old men are getting COVID. There's new's snipers. There's old men are getting covid. There's new younger candidates appearing. It's been a very politically fraught time and we can't keep up. Yeah, it's been totally insane since the last time we recorded the talk to the audience. We have tried to not be specific on podcasts about even like saying like President Biden, who don't like. And yes, it has been crazy and this is being recorded a week before the you'll hear this so forgive us if an even crazier thing happens
Starting point is 00:01:30 since then but hopefully things are getting more normal for an election year now yes uh because of certain events we have uh less of a backlog of podcasts recorded and i kind of feel good about that now because i don't want to be that out of date with how quickly things are moving yes i was thinking of the atlanta falcons bit when we were recording some podcasts lately i sure hope presidential nominee kamala harris does a good job this month bob and me both acted out holding up a beer style in front of our mouth i should have muffled my voice like this. But yeah, we can cover some of the news.
Starting point is 00:02:14 And this latest news item, or this first news item rather, is related to the political things that have been happening. Again, check Twitter. Check the news. Check in with your loved ones. They're probably worried about you. But Al Jean sparked a new slash old Simpsons predicted it style take about Kamala Harris being the assumed Democratic nominee for president of the United States. And yes, his tweet says the Simpsons. Well, he begins most of his tweets with period at the Simpsons. Yes. And then the text is prediction. I'm proud to be a part of. And he has the image of Lisa from Bart to the Future and the image of Kamala Harris wearing, I would say, 65 percent similar outfit from the 2021 inauguration of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Yes. Yeah. And it is very popular. Like it has fucked up my ability to search for Simpsons news at the last minute because normally I go to Google in quote Simpsons news and what's the most breaking stuff and this has created like dozens of new headlines at this current point it's got almost 4,000 retweets and 38,000 likes like it is a legitimately viral tweet with something that is an observation that was old when we debunked it 18 months ago in our live show at sketch fest not 2023 that's right with matt chrisman we we cover this and it's cute and everything i don't know if i like aljean fanning the simpsons predicted at flames when i feel like they need to be extinguished as soon as possible. Yeah. I mean, from Al Jean's standpoint, I get why he does it because he has seen that for
Starting point is 00:03:50 literally the last decade, almost since 2015, when Trump became the, was seriously running for president, the Simpsons added relevancy of they predicted president Trump quote unquote thing like that has given them so much of a boost in cultural relevancy in the last decade why not keep it going and with something that uh aljean is very invested in which is kamala harris defeating donald trump which would also be good we think that is oh too yeah i'm all for that i'm all for that uh no no disagreements there so aljean tweeted about thatements there so aljean tweeted about that by the way aljean is the showrunner of the simpsons has been for the past
Starting point is 00:04:28 23 years and he also tweeted uh what i found a bill wildering tweet maybe he it's just in the moment maybe he would reevaluate this later but he did say that next to uh ike eisenhower joe biden was one of the best presidents of his lifetime it was Joe Biden and Ike Eisenhower and I'm thinking boy that is a wild wild take I mean I I voted for Barack Obama I found him very disappointing but at least he passed Obamacare I don't like Obamacare it is the better than nothing option but he did that to give that to Biden over Obama or a few other presidents I find bewildering but hey that's Al Jean. He's 64 years old and his brain works differently than ours. I guess it's an insight into his personal
Starting point is 00:05:10 politics, I suppose. But yes, I also was like, really? But I mean, a lot of people are complimenting Biden right now on July 22nd because he people thought he was going to stay in in a murder suicide pack, as I've seen it described of like, you can't make me leave. And by acquiescing after weeks of humiliation, now he gets all of the, like, crowned as like, what a great president. He put his country before himself, all that stuff, after weeks of not doing that. So I get why Al Jean is overestimating him right now. But it's like, better than Obama, evenimating him right now, but it's like better than Obama, even in the cultural, like that just seems like wrong in the Hollywood liberal
Starting point is 00:05:50 calculus, I'd say too. I think he snubbed Obama because Michelle Obama did not do The Simpsons and it seems like they wrote an entire episode just for her. I think you are correct. I think he's still holding it against Michelle Obama for not doing the show. And they bent over backwards to have her guest. Yes. So that's us speculating about Al Jean's thoughts, political thoughts, more on that. Maybe he'll reevaluate this. But yeah, things are crazy now. As of this recording, President Biden is recovering from COVID. I had COVID this month. We'll talk more about that later.
Starting point is 00:06:22 It's related to some of our plans we've been doing. I had COVID. I. We'll talk more about that later. It's related to some of our plans we've been doing. I had COVID. I was out for 10 days. And just the thought, imagine going through this but being 40 years older. It seems nightmarish. So who knows what could happen is what I'm saying. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:35 It's a strange, strange time. I mean, yes, that we in a week or I believe it's a 10-day period. We went through a thing that never happened in our lifetimes, which is one, an assassination attempt on a former president, a nearly successful one. And two, that the incumbent has bowed out of running for reelection like that. That last happened, I believe, with LBJ. And before that, the assassination attempt with Reagan in 81. We were not alive for either of those things yeah and hey I don't like being alive for this now I wish things were different not with me being alive but with these historical things happening right right yeah yeah uh yeah so
Starting point is 00:07:16 things are nuts people and uh this is going to be a fun time capsule for us to go back to for everyone to go back to frankly so let's move on away from political stuff to talk about awards so the simpsons was nominated for two emmys hank azaria is nominated for character voiceover performance and the simpsons is nominated for best animated program for the episode night of the living wage and the other nominees are blue eye samurai for the episode the tale of the ronin and the bride bob's burgers for the episode the amazing rudy scavengers reign for the episode the tale of the ronin and the bride bob's burgers for the episode the amazing rudy scavenger's reign for the episode the signal and x-men 97 for the episode remember it and out of all of those i have seen night of the living wage and the x-men episode although people have been badgering me to watch blue eye samurai and scavenger's reign i will get around to it i've
Starting point is 00:08:01 heard that they've become highly recommended i actually have watched the first three episodes of scavenger's reign and it is like amazing to look at and it is a grown-up original sci-fi ip which is what makes it like why hbo max dumped it and why it's on netflix now because it's it got uh it got used as a write-off but no i've heard that about blue eye samurai as well and uh and yeah that x-men 97 i i wonder how they chose what to submit i mean uh no spoilers that's a powerful episode remember it for sure so i'm not surprised they went with that one yeah that is i mean you need to watch the others to get all the payoffs and for it to be significant emotionally but that is a powerful episode and that frankly that would
Starting point is 00:08:45 be the one i would nominate if i or submit if i was on that staff and uh yeah night of the living wage we talked about it a little bit when it premiered that month in the talk to the audience and i uh appeared on the minion death cult podcast talking about it and yeah i thought it was a real good episode two of the season there i would call it the best episode of season 35. So moving on, we have some Simpsons season 36 news. It will debut on September 29th. The episode will be about Bart's birthday. I don't know how many birthdays he's had in the series run. Maybe this is the third or the fourth.
Starting point is 00:09:17 I didn't bother checking before this, but that's what the debut episode will be about. There will also be a White Lotus parody. And just like with the previous year, I believe, there will be two Treehouse of Horrors. One will also be a white lotus parody and just like with uh the previous year i believe there will be two treehouse of horrors one seems to be a standard one another one will be a parody of the ray bradbury work something wicked this way comes although i was reading more about that and it seems like that will be a framing device but they know at this point the treehouse episodes are some of the most iconic and some of the most watched ones so i don't blame them for doing two a year i hope that remains the standard i like it as the that they can do one that is dedicated to a specific idea and then just three loose ones like how i
Starting point is 00:09:57 think it's going to be a ray bradbury in general uh parody thing of like that it takes multiple bradbury stories which you know i can't guess that that is an aljean showrun one but i wouldn't not guess that uh and i'm aware of his work martin prince would not approve right yeah no the white list oh and i forgot to add this to this but our our pals on the dill boys they got to break simpsons news about that premiere too which is on their matt selman guesting episode which was a really good one if got to break simpsons news about that premiere too which is on their matt selman guesting episode which was a really good one if you're a simpsons fan matt selman revealed that conan o'brien will be in that season premiere and have a bigger part than he had 31 years ago
Starting point is 00:10:37 when he was in bark gets famous although i guess he did appear on the simpsons in a the context of him interviewing Homer. Oh, that was on Conan's show. Oh, that was on Conan. I forgot if that was a post-credits thing. That was Conan leaving, or the Conan show was shutting down and they did that as a next interview. That was the kind of premise? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:57 It was more like, it basically was probably taken out of the Simpsons shorts budget, and I'd say a smart use of it if you're gonna like make what is essentially a simpsons commercial that you get to air on tbs in in one of the last conan shows that was cute i'd rather i'd rather see homer interview conan than uh babysitting rogu yes uh vastly prefer that so look forward to season 36 and hey look forward to us covering season 36 in uh 23 and me corner we have some genetics news in which uh nancy cartwright has revealed she is the aunt of pop starlet sabrina carpenter who i just learned about based on this news item so congratulations to sabrina i need to know what her ot level is though before i say anything else i i didn't check if sab is in the Scientology world also
Starting point is 00:11:45 But yeah, as an old man I had not heard of Sabrina Carpenter before Once I looked up a couple of her songs Like Please Please Please I did recognize a couple of its hooks From TikToks or other videos I have seen Like, oh, now this is how i learned about young pop stars i'm like oh i've heard seven seconds of that song in a tiktok i know that song now yeah i'm
Starting point is 00:12:11 seeing news articles that say sabrina carpenter debunks the scientology rumors so apparently as far as what she's saying publicly not a scientologist i mean uh you can be you know related to ones and not not it but but I mean, it really helps. Speaking of TikTok, Nancy Cartwright, very active on TikTok, and it certainly helps her relevance with the TikTok kids to say, hey, you may know Bart, but did you also know I'm related to Sabrina Carpenter, that young a person you guys like so much? Henry knows more about TikTok than I ever would have guessed i show my husband twitter he shows me tiktok in bed that's what we do how cute yeah well uh i hope when
Starting point is 00:12:52 kamala harris is elected president she does not shut down the vial app tiktok which is stealing and spying it's another country stealing and spying it should be us yeah they need to sell it to somebody who'll sell it to us instead i hope mamala can do that we're going to be a coconut pill podcast as they say yes we exist in the context of all things that came before is that what the quote is yes yes yeah i'm always saying that we live unburdened in the history of the yeah and that time is now see we can use all the funny harris quotes that are out there and she's got a lot of them. They're fun. It's so much more fun to hear her talk than to hear Joe Biden talk.
Starting point is 00:13:28 I mean, we get Trump. He's always talking about Hannibal Lecter. We get his crazy speeches. Now we have a different kind of more fun crazy with Kamala Harris. I'm desperately looking forward to this instead of seeing this sad old man kind of mumble and fall asleep and then wake up and says, oh, no one's done more for the X than me, chump. Listen, Mac. You name one. Yeah, I mean, he didn't at all sound like a person with dementia who is lashing out at anybody.
Starting point is 00:13:56 No, I mean, it will be great to see when Donald Trump will look like the more senile person on stage once again. Yes, there's hope in a 60-year-old candidate, the youngest possible candidate we could ever ask for. We're sorry for being so political, folks, but a former president was almost assassinated a few weeks ago. The president is basically stepping down from any hope of being president again. And yeah, it's on our minds. Did you see another refreshing fact that was that
Starting point is 00:14:25 this this is the first election since 1976, where one of the two candidates wasn't a Bush, a Clinton or Biden? Yeah, yeah, that my wife shared that with me. And I said, wow, you know, somehow I knew this in the back of my brain, but I didn't want to admit it. It feels refreshing. And yet it also is Donald Trump who has been the last three elections nothing nothing feels new anymore we felt how lucky were we to get like a a bill clinton bob dole match in our lifetime like that's true and actually i was tweeting about this because both dr ruth and richard simmons died and my joke was oh we need to check on we need to check in on other 80s comedy people like Mr. T.
Starting point is 00:15:07 And then on the same day, Donald Trump is shot at. And then I thought, oh, he is also an 80s comedy person. He's also an 80s joke person. But then he returned. Yeah. It'd be like if Mr. T became president in 2016.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Or Ernest. Back in the 80s, they all would have appeared on Oprah at equal standing. Those are the first celebrities I learned about through Mad Magazine in 1988. The first ones they were making fun of
Starting point is 00:15:34 through my eyes, at least. Yeah, God. It's, man. It is insane he's still here and still fucking things up. Oh my God. We're choking on our own rage. In other news, a non-prediction,
Starting point is 00:15:48 Cypress Hill actually did play with the London Symphony Orchestra, possibly while high, and Bill Oakley is being a stickler about that, and we're with him. This is not a prediction. They saw a joke and they said, let's recreate that joke in real life. So there you have it.
Starting point is 00:16:01 You cannot say it's a prediction. They very smartly saw that they could sell a bunch of tickets to a concert, probably more tickets than they normally sell to a Cypress Hill concert, by doing the joke in real life. And they had a lot of fun with it, and I watched some videos from it. They start with the clip. They play the clip of possibly, well, hi, the entire scene. And then Cypress Hill comes out, and they do the they do the act and it is very
Starting point is 00:16:26 entertaining and i bet it goes over very i think it went over very well in london because britain has very committed simpsons fans who are going to love seeing this on stage but yeah i screen capped just four and i could have done many more but these were from legitimate places this wasn't like you know parade magazine these were you know the telegraph and the guardian saying simpsons prediction comes to life i was like no you can at least say well they say the simpsons did it again no just say simpsons joke becomes real like you can still get the headlines but they have to put predictions in it to get like the biggest bump online i hate it yeah i feel like we're losing the war here
Starting point is 00:17:05 let's let's see what other enraging developments happen in the future but uh i i thought we had quelled this fire but then we have the showrunner saying no we're the prediction show please yeah and i mean i i believe vice president harris at the inauguration the quote i had seen was that she wore that outfit because purple is red and blue together and it was a sign of unity I don't believe it was meant to look like similar to President Lisa Simpson I would bet now if this gets any more traction at the inauguration that President Harris will wear 100% the same outfit that Lisa wears in the episode let's get her a guest spot on the show i feel like they've never had a living president on the show that's been a goal of theirs correct yes that's right yeah actually we just um did a bunch of history research for crusty gets canceled and that's one
Starting point is 00:17:56 of the things they were striving to do to get any type of president on it and they still have yet to do so in other news we have a death to report uh well it was reported officially weeks ago but it's our job to let you know that donald sutherland passed away the the legendary actor passed away at 88 of course he played uh hollis hurlbutt the springfield antiquarian the episode lisa the iconoclast a fantastic character one of the many old men that bill oakley and josh weinstein put in their seasons and yeah this has made me want to go back and watch some of the big donald sutherland movies i haven't seen like clute i've always wanted to see clute because we covered that american dad episode where a chunk of it is about the making of clute right i forgot about that but i do recommend the invasion of
Starting point is 00:18:39 the body snatchers the 1970 whatever remake that is great and he is great and it's great to see an era in which i love 70s movies because these homely guys got to be the leads in movies like walter mathau and donald sutherland these kind of like hang dog looking guys just got to pull down babes and be the protagonists of movies although in invasion of the body snatchers i like his very platonic relationship with the uh the main female character in that movie i just re-watched a lot of his scene i re-watched his entire scene from JFK, which is like, that's amazing. Like he steals the movie
Starting point is 00:19:09 and sets up what a conspiracy is perfectly. And I think I maybe had seen him before, but I was reminded that he was a very outspoken political force during the Vietnam War and had a lot of very smart things to say about America's involvement in that horrible thing so he he was he had good politics too yeah that was news to me and maybe it was the the Jane Fonda clute connection that got him on board that train the activist train but yeah he he's was one
Starting point is 00:19:38 of the greatest actors and and one of the best Simpsons guest stars too. I love his Hollis Hurlbutt. He's so funny. Like his chicory and his Johnny Cakes. I love him. I like the Tweety Forever Bachelor Hollis Hurlbutt. Hey everybody, Henry here. Just to say, oops, I did screw up and I meant to also mention
Starting point is 00:20:02 that another Simpsons guest and acting legend passed away too that would be martin maul who had previously appeared in doan in the wind we love martin maul he is so funny i love him in clue i love him in fernwood tonight is so inspirational to so many comedy writers that went on to do the simpsons he is is such a legend and rest in peace to Martin Mull as well. And our final bit of news, we're on the precipice of San Diego Comic-Con 2024 happening. So I guess it will have happened or will be happening by the time people hear this. Yes. Yeah. It'll be the weekend right after Deadpool and Wolverine. Great. Great. Well, Kevin Smith will be hosting the panel, so you can guarantee that if you see him there, any photo of him, his eyebrows will be raised and his mouth will be open because that's what he does.
Starting point is 00:20:54 But I hope this goes well. I hope we learn some surprises, maybe new merch, new shorts, who knows? oh perhaps uh sequel news because al jean said the future of the simpsons movie relies on the performance of inside out 2 and i believe inside out 2 is now the third highest grossing animated feature film of all time so that's right which is insane yes that that is insane that but you are so right he did say that that's what he said then but i i hope it gives a shot in the arm to at the very least disney greenlighting sequels internally at it. Yeah, I think I said it last month I watched it, but I enjoyed Inside Out, too. It was good, but in no way did I think it would be bigger than any Pixar movie before it. I never, ever would have thought that.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Yes, it toppled the Super Mario Bros. movie, and it could be on its way to knocking down frozen 2 i don't think it's gonna defeat the lion king 2019 but jesus christ i didn't know inside out 2 would have these kind of legs maybe i think i'll just i'll see it when it gets to disney plus i assumed it would do well but not this well yeah no me neither i i did not and then it even does this well in despicable me 4. Comes out just a few weeks later, which should really pull it down a bit. But instead, it still is doing enough to keep going strong. Yeah, just a bummer that Pixar had all those layoffs. And then they said, well, we're in sequel city from here on out. No more original ideas about the immigrant experience.
Starting point is 00:22:18 And then it all paid off for them. Yeah, yeah, it's really... It's a real bummer. And maybe they'll hire some people back after making $1.4 billion. Who knows? I think they should. I feel like they've got the money back to do it if they wanted to. Companies invest in employees, right?
Starting point is 00:22:33 Yeah, yeah. That's not going to just go straight into the dividend payments for five people. It's great. But yes, look forward to us reporting on San Diego Comic-Con next month. I'm sure there'll be a lot of fun stuff going on there that we'll be talking about. How we use electricity can be smarter, cleaner, and greener. At Electric Ireland, we can help guide you there. You see, our new net zero hub has all you need to know about smart meter plans, EV tariffs, solar panels, and much more.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Making your usage clearer, your trips greener, your home cozier, and your world brighter. Find our net zero hub at electricireland.ie. And now it's time to talk about what's happening with our network, the Talking Simpsons Network. So we are back from our Los Angeles podcast trip. Well, it's been about a month, but time really flew by for me because I was incapacitated for 10 days. Henry was dealing with his own issues.
Starting point is 00:23:34 But the good news is we have a lot to show for it and some stuff to show for it in the future. That's still a secret. So Henry was on Gayest Episode Ever covering an episode of Community. He was on Podcast The Ride covering Pride Night at Disneyland. And we were both on We Hate Movies covering Despicable Me 2. So even though we took a week off, we still put out more podcasts than we normally do, if you count the guest appearances. And we also didn't take any time off.
Starting point is 00:23:56 I do want to underline that. An incredibly productive trip for us. And yes, we put out so much. And Bob, especially, if you haven't listened to our Despicable Me 2 We Hate Movies yet, Bob did an amazing showing for a man deep in COVID and he was doing his best. I was on the top of the Splash Mountain COVID coaster and just about to plummet down the falls. That was the last possible time I could sit upright and talk about Minions for about seven days. They got me at the last possible time i didn't want to cancel i was feverish i listened to it and you can barely tell but i think talking about
Starting point is 00:24:30 despicable me 2 made us all a little uh fever-brained i think and then five hours later my washing machine broke and caused a basically a flood in my apartment that then leaked down one floor below me and then one floor below that just let you know how much of a lake there was in my apartment that then leaked down one floor below me and then one floor below that. Just to let you know how much of a lake there was in my apartment. I'll talk more about COVID later. I'm sure you all are dying to hear about someone suffering from COVID. But the second time I got it, I do want to point out both times were from work trips, so I am responsible. Some fun was had on these trips, but they were for work. Yeah, it was. Again, I can't believe that we spent a lot of time
Starting point is 00:25:05 together and i was waiting for a a positive test myself the whole time and i i took like three of them but uh did not and and so not only did i have no symptoms but also i made sure to test just to be sure i wasn't asymptomatic and uh yeah i got negative every time so but hey before that it was a lot of fun because for reasons we went to universal studios and because they have a lot of deals there we spent two days at universal studios we kind of did everything my wife nina had not been there for over 30 years she went once in maybe 91 or 92 so it was a real treat for her the first time she had seen any of the simpsons part of the park too so that was a lot of fun and yeah two full days at
Starting point is 00:25:45 Universal for both of us and if you go back to the archives you can listen to us talk about our last visit which was I think in 2018 so that's this is the second time I've been there or the first time I've been there since then yeah I've been a few times since but we it was great going there with you and Nina like to experience it all together and we went to the mario ride as well like we all went on the mario kart ride the longest we spent waiting anywhere it wasn't in the mario kart ride it was the mario restaurant that's where we waited the long hey it's the best little restaurant in the entire park in terms of theming but there was there's some great merch there i got a nice uh super mario brothers boo shirt with a big cloud of boos on the front.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And the Jurassic Park gift shop has all of these manga-style chibi designs of the characters. So it looks like Akira Toriyama did his own Jurassic Park merchandise, and we picked up a few shirts from that line. So a lot of fun, yeah. Very little of it was new outside of the Mario stuff, but it had been so long I just kind of wanted to ride everything again. Yeah, the Mr. DNA shirt I i got it there too was really great and it was also cool to see nina thinking back on you know what felt what she remembered from her her 90s visit like because i i hadn't been to hollywood until i was in my 30s like i only went to orlando as a kid and uh yeah and that the Simpsons land, still holding strong.
Starting point is 00:27:06 It could be our last time going there. Who knows? Simpsons ride as rickety and dim as ever. It did hurt my back as well as you two. And I think it made you, the Simpsons ride didn't get you too queasy. That wasn't the queasy maker, right? No, every ride with a video component made me sick i wasn't actively vomiting but i just felt awful after transformers simpsons minions and whatever
Starting point is 00:27:30 else they have oh the harry potter thing harry potter especially yeah yeah yeah i got to show you the harry potter shame seats as well to make people feel fat and ugly oh yeah yeah and we also had what we had the uh the dinosaur oh yeah the the jurassic park alcohol that was fun too i did yeah isla nublar ipa is what i was downing and then we went to some americrap restaurants like bubblegum shrimp company and margaritaville and yeah i had i had the jenny's blonde ale they named a drink after the character of jenny which seems inappropriate to me but the again the entire restaurant is inappropriate. Other podcasts have talked about this.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I don't need to go on any further. And we got to learn tons of facts about Jimmy Buffett while we sat with you. Bob, you were the biggest Buffett parrot head there. Yes, my parents are parrot heads. And I was explaining, well, here's what this song means. And here's a little dance you do. And they were playing Jimmy Buffett concert footage. And i knew alarmingly way too many of the songs it was we we had a great time at universal that then the next couple days uh not so great afterwards but the yeah we oh and
Starting point is 00:28:37 we we ate uh we also got to meet up with glenn and drew in person from gayest episode ever and he did the tamo shanter yeah yeah that was great uh and it was great to meet drew and glenn for the first time which i'm surprised it's taken this long but i guess i have not been back to la since 2019 yeah well it would have been december 2019 was the last time you were in los angeles yeah it was good and uh and drew was very nice and and took care surprised us by taking uh paying for our dinner there, which was very nice of Drew. Drew Mackey is a generous man. Let no one tell you otherwise.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And Nina said she had one of the best pieces of prime rib she ever had, or maybe the best. This is an endorsement of the Tamo Shanter. If you're going to eat a $50 piece of prime rib, that's the place to do it, apparently. And my fish and chips were merely pretty good. But hey, what are you going to do when you go to a steakhouse and you don't eat beef? I guess you had the turkey.
Starting point is 00:29:27 I had the turkey. Basically, it was like a Thanksgiving plate. It was very good turkey. But yeah, I mean, as people learned about my gout pain and our talking of the hill, had to say no to the prime rib there. And I don't want to eat cows. I want to kiss them on their soft little noses. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Also, well, we can talk more about our individual LA stuff. But yeah, it was a good trip. Let's talk about our schedule for August. A lot of fun things are coming up in August. What's going on for $5 patrons? Why, it's our miniseries episodes. So if you go to patreon.com slash Talking Simpsons and you're on that $5 level,
Starting point is 00:29:58 you'll get new episodes of Talking Futurama and Talking of the Hill. And the Talking Futurama episode is about the episode Attack of the Killer App. It is where the shut up and take my money meme comes from. It's also a very nice time capsule of tech 15 years ago that's still very relevant today. When I sat down, I assumed we'd be recording for 90 minutes. It is a two and a half hour episode of Talking Futurama because it's just us talking about our experience with tech, tech over the years, how tech has evolved from 2010, how smartphones have changed everything.
Starting point is 00:30:26 There's a lot of tech talk. So look forward to that. And early viral videos, too. And what being viral meant back in 2010 compared to now. And yeah, we really dug it. And also lots of barf talk. Lots of barf talk. There's a goat that poops and pukes in the same pool that fry dives
Starting point is 00:30:46 into and it's all relevant to the iphone we'll let you figure it out when you listen to our episode and then on talking to the hill we have the episode death and texas so henry identified this trend because there's an episode about an assassination there's an episode about a church burning down and now there's an episode about death row so they're getting dark and punchy in this uh home stretch of season three this is a very funny episode where peggy becomes a mentor to a man on death row and then unwittingly becomes a coke mule uh via her a pension for boggle i love this episode and i can't wait for everyone to hear us covering it i i think it's going to be primo stuff uh as we say about boggle sand primo yes and by the way uh we surprise launched a little pilot on the five dollar level as well it's an episode that i recorded with nina
Starting point is 00:31:32 it is the new series talking japanese where we look at how western media interfaced with japanese culture and for the first episode we covered the full house episode road to tokyo in which uncle jesse goes to to Japan because his single becomes the number one hit over there and antics ensue. So this is different from our cartoon coverage, but I was also a big sitcom addict growing up. So this is a great way to talk about Full House and TGIF. And as with this episode, we will find time to record these when we have time. So this might be a quarterly thing. It might be a three times a year thing. But I really enjoyed what we did on this first one.
Starting point is 00:32:07 And I hope you do, too. I liked it as well. I listened to it. I got to experience a podcast as a listener on this. And it was really good. I liked not just hearing you guys talk about your love of corny sitcoms. Well, I did like hearing how unnerved Nino was and hearing you speak Japanese just for a second at the intro of the episode. Yeah. I think with this and all of our guest appearances, we might've put out the most content ever in July of 2024. Wow. And that's
Starting point is 00:32:37 really weird because we took off the first week of not posting anything. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how that works out, but you can do the math at home. So that's what's going on on the Patreon, the $5 level. On the $10 level, you get our What a Cartoon Movie episode and, of course, the back catalog of nearly six years worth of those. We're covering Tarzan in August, and that will round out our Disney Renaissance coverage. So Tarzan is the final movie we have to cover in that 1989 to 1999 period. And I'm going to be so happy when those are all things we can boast about we've covered the entire disney renaissance and we're having a lot of fun covering these things that we need to revisit like mulan we were a bit disappointed by that pocahontas we were surprised by that i have not watched tarzan again at this point i'm just curious how i'm going to feel about that because i did like it at the time i i remember liking it at the time and i think uh the clips i've re-watched recently man this has some amazing it has amazing animation but especially i enjoy how it it turned tarzan into a skater boy uh hey see you later boy uh but they realize like he can't just swing everywhere he has to like be like uh skating down the uh the
Starting point is 00:33:43 half pipes of the trees everywhere. Kids love extreme sports. And they did based on the box office returns for Tarzan. It was very successful. So, yeah, we're going to be talking about both Phil Collins and white colonialism's effect on novels, the earliest novels. Oh, hey, we talked about white colonialism last month, too. This has an unexpected B story to this month's movies. Yeah. So that is what's going on on our schedule now we can talk about what we've been playing and watching unrelated to the podcast and folks i was flat on my back with covet for 10 days it stunk it ate up most
Starting point is 00:34:14 of my july but i was able to play and finish some games i basically played all of the paper mario the thousand year door remake while sick with covet I started it right before our trip and then I played like 30 more hours while just dead with COVID. And I do like this game. I have played it twice in the past. I don't think some parts of it have aged that well because I feel that the mechanics are great. I love the characters and the world and they do a lot of work with the remake in terms of presenting it for a modern audience. It is a very talky game, and we are living in an era in which well-localized dialogue is no longer a novelty. And it really was in 2004, and I think that's why we tolerated a game
Starting point is 00:34:52 that was this talky. But it was wearing on my patience just a bit. It's not that it's talky, because I play a lot of visual novel-style games with nothing but text. I'm playing Apollo Justice. I'm replaying that right now. It's nothing but reading text.
Starting point is 00:35:05 In this game, though, the text is very repetitive. There are so many characters where the joke is this person is tedious and they're going to talk to you for a very long time. I was getting kind of tired of that. The games would only get wordier after that.
Starting point is 00:35:18 I think maybe with Origami King, a game I like, they kind of reeled it in a little bit more. But overall, I did like it. I would recommend the Watch Out for Fireballs episode about this because they underline a lot of the game's flaws while saying you know it's a fun game that's worth playing i paid for it i have not touched it yet because i've been busy with the game i'll be talking about in my part but yeah the i've been
Starting point is 00:35:38 interested in it because of the the one important change or update to it but uh it were regarding a trans character which was really cool to see but yeah the the thousand year door i do remember loving it 20 years ago because there there were especially weren't nintendo games with that clever of writing in it yeah it's just that just became the standard so it doesn't really stand out it's like well i can read a ton of games with clever well localized text so there's so much of it and it's no longer unique but i'm glad they remade it because it was completely unavailable outside of the original gamecube version so it's great more people can play it i just found a little grating but maybe i was not in a great mood because i was feverish
Starting point is 00:36:19 for four of those 10 days and just i could barely eat or get up it was bad it was bad i'm assuming you beat all 100 levels of the bonus dungeon in it. No, I was just relieved to hit credits and put it away forever. And I did finish Pikmin 4, which I've been talking about in fits and starts throughout these community podcasts, but really liked it. I was not prepared for it to be that long. And there's still a tiny bit of content left in the game that I have to play that's extra content.
Starting point is 00:36:44 But I'm very satisfied I love how much it iterates on previous Pikmin things and it brings back some old Pikmin stuff that was kicked out of the series after the first game like time limit things micromanaging things things that made the game stressful that were immediately removed in the sequel and one of those things is the one of the modes I need to play which is basically they recreate pikmin one using pikmin four assets and pikmin one mechanics and that's a whole other three to five hour challenge that i was ready to kind of revisit that later once i finished the the meat of the game but i got all the treasures but one and in order to get that one treasure i need to play the extra content so i can farm purple pikmin so i'm until then i have one lingering treasure but 36 hours 37 hours it's
Starting point is 00:37:30 i think it's twice as long as uh and the biggest pikmin game and it's seven times longer than the first pikmin game so there's there's a lot of game and i really hope in another 10 years uh we get another pikmin because that has been the pikmin schedule so far I I did drop off at the end of like oh yeah I I simply am not going to give the time to farm uh how long it's going to take to farm this many purple Pikmin to get this last gold bar but otherwise and I love that the game yeah it is so surprisingly long like tiny spoilers but they fake you out with credits at at a credits that is the acceptable length of like wow that was a long pikmin game and then there's a i feel like 25 of the games still to go
Starting point is 00:38:12 after those credits i i love that technique and i see it in western games too but i've been seeing it in japanese games for maybe 15 years where you get the you get the normie credits but the game's not over but it's satisfying enough if you want to walk away then. But there is so much more game after that. I kept thinking, well, it's got to be over now. And then they would say, well, here's another level, buddy. Here are more challenges to do. So really recommend that.
Starting point is 00:38:36 It sold very well for a Pikmin game. I think it's just because the Switch has a billion people installed user base. So any sequel you put on the Switch is going to do well. And yeah, very very very satisfied and i i regret not playing it but it came out literally as all the moving chaos was happening for me and henry and i just fell by the wayside but i finally have amended that past error uh full recommendation on pikmin 4 for the switch now in terms of watching stuff i've had i've had a weird july it's been a very weird or let's say strange because i did watch both weird all movies and yes i know there's three i have not watched the complete
Starting point is 00:39:09 al i've downloaded it don't worry i will see it soon i had some lingering amazon prime credits and i'm discontinuing prime on my us accounts because i don't really need too many things from it anymore so it's like okay what can i buy What's the dumbest thing I can buy? Oh, a low budget studio comedy in 4K. So I bought UHF in 4K and I watched it in 4K. It looks alarmingly good for what it is. I find the movie very charming. It's also very disappointing. But there are some key comedic moments that I love and anticipate.
Starting point is 00:39:38 I think the funniest joke in the movie is when that little kid spits in Weird Al's face. I see it coming every time and every time it happens i laugh out loud the michael richards stuff is great uh i just feel like it's so uneven weird al seems a little lost because he's surrounded by all of these people that would become comedic superstars like michael richards like fran drescher victoria jackson is okay in the movie but it was fun it's what it fun. It's a comedy you should watch every 15 to 20 years because the last time I saw it was for its 20th anniversary in 2008.
Starting point is 00:40:11 I saw a screening of it, which was great. It's fun to watch with an audience. When you're watching it at home, it loses some of the appeal. I think it's because it starts with a very tedious Raiders parody that I think doesn't have enough jokes to get the energy going for the beginning of a film.
Starting point is 00:40:24 But yeah, it was fun to revisit. And then you go on the the 4k blu-ray it's all of the extras that were on the 2002 dvd it's the commentary i listened to over and over that i kind of have memorized so it was fun to revisit those extras i'm nostalgic for some dvd extras now it's kind of scary i i think the smartest thing he does in that movie i i bought that same 4k i haven't watched it yet but i think the the smartest thing in that movie is that he'd like he makes it so yankovic could write it that his character is like breakout successful popular but no it's michael richard's character people hate his tv show like that it's it's a nice sign of that weird al's lack of a superstar ego. Too humble.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Even in his own movie, he writes himself as a loser. And someone in the movie is funnier than him. Yes. So this is weird because, oh, it's weird, because Weird Al just released a new single, his first new song in 10 years.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Well, he wrote a song for the new movie. We'll talk about that in a second. But the new Polka medley came out. It's great. And because of that, I just watched UHF. And then i finally sat down to watch weird i pirated it as weird al commanded me to which means it was commercial free and i found it to be pretty good it is a walk hard light and i'm sure henry you talked about this when you watch it for the first time i just feel that daniel radcliffe
Starting point is 00:41:40 he does a great job he's weirdly buff in the movie for reasons i don't understand but he's surrounded just like weird al in uhf by so many people that are way funnier than him. And it's not his fault, but I feel like he is the least interesting thing on the screen, even though he is doing a technically competent job. But when you have Rainn Wilson and Paul F. Tompkins and Toby Huss and all of these people who I've loved for decades for their comedy chops, when they're in the same scene as him he can't help but seem a little lesser than when he's supposed to be playing this comedic character i think is a movie that started as just a a a fake trailer on funny or die it expands into being feature length in a
Starting point is 00:42:18 funny enough way like i i like that he they and it's just embellishing things that none of which are true to make a dumb child might think they actually were things that happened in the 80s. Like that he dated Madonna type deal. Yeah. I just feel like it shouldn't be an hour and 47 minutes long. That's crazy. And because of that, some bits linger on way too long. This is not spoilers, by the way. At one point, it kind of becomes an action movie.
Starting point is 00:42:44 And it does in about 15 minutes what UHF did in 20 seconds with the rambo parody and i thought that was much more effective here it's like oh can you believe weird al's doing this can you believe he's gonna keep doing this and i thought uh the joke got kind of kind of old after a couple minutes which is the case with a lot of the bits in the movie a lot of the joke bits the premises can you believe we are saying that weird al did this and i don't know it just kind of got less interesting over time i guess you compare the two uhf had a bigger budget to keep going to like oh we can do 18 different parodies and just go to a different thing but if they're gonna have an action sequence like they got to do it long in this movie instead of popping to another thing very quickly yeah it was like an
Starting point is 00:43:22 eight million dollar movie which is it's crazy and that poca mania is a lot of fun just that it uh it was a test for me of like okay how old are you now how many of these songs do you recognize i'd say i recognized uh a third of them oh uh henry i'm a younger man than you officially even though i'm older because i recognize all but one okay well then yeah i was well also like despacito is not a new song like it's not even that new like no no it's basically he selected he looked at the last 10 years worth of hits and he thought what would be best in the polka medley and then he reached out to the artist because his last album uh what was called mandatory fun
Starting point is 00:43:59 that was in 2014 and he seemed very happy to be out of a terrible record contract. Right, right. Well, this time the music video also was full of cool references to other music videos he did. A ton of them, including the Albuquerque guy. But my favorite bit was the second I heard an old lady voice say, Next! I was like, that's Trez McNeil! He got Trez Mcneil back for that that made me so happy yeah dating all the way back to hey lucy his hey mickey parody i know god isn't
Starting point is 00:44:31 that great like that he'd been having since 83 41 years now he's been working with trez mcneil yeah i'm glad to see that he's still going and i know henry has seen this i watched uh behind the candelabra because my wife likes stephen soderbergh i like him too she's more of a fan than me i found it to be a very enjoyable biopic and i like its approach of like here's a slice of his life that's indicative of basically everything about him and i forgot i knew matt damon was in it but i forgot it was michael douglas who plays liberace and he just disappears into the role yes the impression is easy to do and it's fun after watching it I was walking around going scat but uh he does a great job it's it's a kind of a daring performance uh for how far they go with the sexuality uh with these two very very very straight actors so I found it to be very enjoyable and I'm sad that I missed it and it
Starting point is 00:45:22 it's funny how all we know about Liberace are the jokes, but the movie points out all of these things are true. It has to underline, nobody knew he was gay. People were this naive. That is so funny. Yeah. I haven't seen that since it was new. I do recall on the sexuality, reminds me of a comedian I heard on a comedy, Bang Bang, playing a character who the character was in shock that from watching that movie is how she learned that two men could have sex in the missionary position like she didn't know that geographically like anatomically it could work that way which i thought i that's so i think of missionary man-on-man sex i think of behind the cantaloupe
Starting point is 00:46:04 it's teaching us all but yeah very very fun movie and then we immediately looked up liberace So I think of missionary man-on-man sex when I think of Behind the Candle Opera. It's teaching us all. But yeah, very, very fun movie. And then we immediately looked up Liberace performances afterwards on YouTube, and we were like, wow, he was just a cartoon. It's a credit to Michael Douglas that he could do something interesting with the character without it not seeming insane to play it real. I wrote this joke in my letterbox review but michael douglas is so straight he blamed getting mouth cancer on going down on his
Starting point is 00:46:29 wife too much that's right that's right god he's a very heterosexual man very straight so that's it i watched a lot of movies about and made by indigenous people for the pocahontas podcast and you can listen to me talk about those in that podcast, but I watch things like Smoke Signals and The New World and Dead Man. So I cover all of those and some books I read about indigenous people in the Pocahontas podcast. I frankly had too long to work on that. So I put a little too much into it. So check that out. I'm very proud of how that turned out. Other stuff, we talked about Universal Studios. I had COVID. I don't recommend it. I was a little nostalgic for 2020. So I decided to get a little more COVID in my body and i gotta tell you folks this flirt virus is not as cute as it sounds this this flirt variant it doesn't wave a little hanky at your
Starting point is 00:47:13 white blood cells and go you it actually makes you incredibly sick and i was just having crazy fever dreams i had a fever for four days i was just it was really bad for about six and then there was a on the edges of that six day period there were about two days where i was just feeling kind of gross and i was inside for eight days not doing anything not going anywhere it took away most of my july it was bad this is i had it in 2022 in the fall and this was worse uh i feel like in the fall i felt a little icky but the worst part was the disgusting paxlovid taste in my mouth this time around it was just pure misery and it sucked but hey at least i played a lot of video games but it did suck the life out of me because i just felt
Starting point is 00:47:57 so bad and so guilty for not being able to work even though we worked ahead a ton and i thought oh i'll just make the um i'll make the post for the next episode and then i did i just made the post in the back end after that i immediately went to sleep that i could not handle any more excitement or uh mental effort writing just like one paragraph descriptors of an episode and getting the image there that like kill that was too much for your brain yeah it was terrible i mean we made the joke that we're taking a week off or we're actually working that week the week we took off is the week i had covid so nobody was relaxing nobody was having fun we were either working mopping up
Starting point is 00:48:35 liquids or dying of covid yes yeah i guess uh it's uh i i am glad i didn't get covid i wouldn't have traded positions there that That sounded really rough. And I have only had COVID once. It wasn't, I mean, it wasn't fun, but it was not. You got a very bad variant. And I count myself as very lucky that I did not get contracted as well. I would assume from going to the theme park, you know, it was a huge crowd there that day. Or the plane.
Starting point is 00:49:06 There were a lot of people coughing on the plane. You never know where it comes from, but boy, what a bummer that was. And I didn't learn my lesson because I'm taking another trip very soon to Minneapolis, which I've mentioned in past podcasts. But we're going to hang out with a mutual friend. I'm going to see the Riff Track show live there. I'm going to see Little Shop of Horror's performance there I'm going to see Little Shop of Horror's performance I'm going to a Red Panda feeding that I'll be feeding Red Pandas little treats
Starting point is 00:49:29 we have a lot of plans for that week and I love visiting just random American cities in this case it's a major city but I love going there and just like what's going on here what are the used bookstores like what are the restaurants like what kind of plays are going on
Starting point is 00:49:42 and hey Riff Track is there the Riff Track show was the main reason to get us out there but we had gone to minneapolis before for summer games done quick and we spent more time outside of the event hanging out in that city than we did in the event so yeah looking forward to that now you guys really soaked in portland when uh when you went down there last year too uh you guys are good at taking in and experiencing a city we love exploring cities that's it for me. Well, speaking of exploring things, my video game playing this month was mainly Elden Ring Shadow of the Erd Tree DLC. And I have put about 15 hours into it, and it's still...
Starting point is 00:50:17 So 5% of the way in is what you're saying. Yeah, I know. They should call it. They could totally have gotten away with calling it Elden Ring 2. Like, it is a whole new area. You'd feel it was short if they called it Elden Ring 2 because Elden Ring 1 is like three games of game in it. This is just one game of game. But it is so big and so much to do.
Starting point is 00:50:39 The new leveling system, I got used to it. I got my butt kicked again. But then there was that feeling of i did it like i i beat mesmer is scary but i i took on mesmer and uh among other characters but that's that's maybe one people have heard about but there's so much to explore i just got to a whole new area that i'm like holy shit where did i just find the magic of a souls game is there still even in the new elven ring dlc yeah unfortunately we had to have more discourse about are these games too hard and i'll tell you folks
Starting point is 00:51:11 as someone who has been covering these games or someone who had covered those games from dark souls onwards i can say this is not my first rodeo and i think that's why henry and i had to drop out of the games press one of many reasons the fact that there were no more jobs for us that was a big reason but you just these discourses they pop up over and over and you think we had this conversation i had it twice i thought it was settled but no that had to pop up again so it was mildly annoying to see that but people were having fun with it but what i'm hearing most about the game is that it's very very difficult even harder than uh elden ring i i would say so though still it is nice in ways that like, you know, it has,
Starting point is 00:51:45 this is not a new thing, but it reminded me that it was in the first Elden Ring of, oh, I died, but I passed a statue in this dungeon and they're letting me respawn there instead of all the way at the back at the beginning of the dungeon with the, at the grace site. So it takes it so much easier on you than Demon's Souls did, for instance. But it is a challenging game. In that discourse about, you know, oh, games journalists are bad at the game, we were saying this then too,
Starting point is 00:52:15 but games journalists are the ones who beat the game with no fucking guides. It's like pre-release. Or in my case, I didn't finish those games when I reviewed them because I had to do 9 million other things because my website only had three other people working for it. like pre-release or in my case i didn't finish those games when i reviewed them because i died to do a nine million other things because my website only had three other people working for it oh man yeah but it's it isn't it nice to just be able to experience elden ring or a new souls
Starting point is 00:52:36 like game and just experiencing it uh as a regular person like without all of the discourse and involvement uh oh and also i just played it a teeny bit but it's because i watched evo 2024 from las vegas uh over the weekend especially the street fighter segment another amazing evo and the it made me go like oh i should play let me boot back up street fighter 6 for the first time in like four months and i still can do all right with uh marissa in modern controls i did i've won several matches in uh unranked play i'll do to be that be because all of the best players were watching evo or at the event oh well boy i guess maybe you're right or that a bunch of noobs just got online after watching evo and i'm beating them easily. Now's the time, everybody.
Starting point is 00:53:28 Then as far as watching stuff, I had a lot of movie watching, especially because my husband did not want me staring at my phone all weekend after a bullet nearly hit the former president. So we watched a lot of movies. My favorite movie I watched this month was, for the first time, I saw Akira Kurosawa's High and Low uh you you've seen this kind of recently too Bob yeah within the past couple of months and I I really enjoyed it it's very long uh but it's modern for for the era it's modern it's not like a samurai picture but it's a great crime story and uh yeah I I didn't know it would be like a
Starting point is 00:54:00 procedural basically yeah it's a great procedural like it does feel like oh a a prestige law and order episode or or more likely every police procedural takes so much from it afterwards not that it was like an original topic even back then like it was based on a hit book then but it it's amazing to watch it also when i see the villain in it i i am reminded of why oh yeah they matt reeves totally ripped this off for the batman like except he made it longer somehow you know i didn't think of that i know i know that uh i think spike lee is remaking the movie somebody is and i think it's spike lee yes okay i'm right yeah he's he's remaking it for apple tv that's put it in the news recently but the reason i watched it was i watched hideo kojima's criterion
Starting point is 00:54:45 collect uh closet and he listed only classic japanese films of like these are the classic japanese films that are not even on blu-ray in japan in some cases you should take advantage of them on criterion and watch him so and high and low is his kurosawa pick i think because he thinks americans know about his samurai, but they need to watch more of his modern setting ones that are no less brilliant. Yeah, I agree. And Encanto, I finally watched that for the first time. It is pretty good. It is pretty good.
Starting point is 00:55:15 I mean, the music's good. It is another generational trauma movie. As far as Disney Pixar movies of generational trauma rankings, I personally liked Turning Red a little more, but it is made more for weebs, of course. It's made by an anime fan who grew up watching all the same anime that I watched as a teen, so I like it more. But Encanto was good, especially the songs are good. Now I know, including as sung by Weird Al and Polkamania,
Starting point is 00:55:42 we don't talk about Bruno. Now I know the Song. Yeah, this is one of the newer, it's Disney, right? Yes, yeah. I couldn't even tell you the basic pitch of this movie. It is a Colombian family that is magic, except for one of the kids who isn't magic, and then the magic is threatened in this family.
Starting point is 00:56:01 And so it's about matriarchs and passing down of like pain and trauma and all that and uh and and john leguizamo is really good in it too it sounds unprofitable it's profit it was profitable but it was like a 2021 release so even if it did like pretty good you're like well would it have done really great uh in 2022 i'm just thinking of the new pixar sequel initiative i don't know what disney is planning because wish really circled the drain yeah yeah actually uh nina in the replies to my incontro letterbox where i said i'm getting a little tired of like generational trauma with no villains being the thing and she's like if you want to if you want a traditional disney villain watch wish and i was like oh no my wish has been granted i saw it i. I also watched both Hairsprays. I had seen Hairspray, the original, a long time ago,
Starting point is 00:56:47 but I went to the Academy Museum during my LA trip, and there was an entire huge John Waters exhibit that is amazing. If you find yourself in Hollywood, you have to go to the Academy Museum just to see that. There's a huge section just for Hairspray. My husband had never seen it, so I watched Hairspray with him. I think it holds up pretty good. For his PG movie,
Starting point is 00:57:08 it still is full of things that make you uncomfortable, including teens saying slurs like kids would say slurs back then. Yeah, I need to revisit John Waters. I think the last time I've watched any of his movies, it was when they were on comedy central all the time and maybe renting pecker when it was new but it's been a very long time oh and hair hairspray the musical the movie made me wish i had seen hairspray the musical on stage i think they adapted it uh in poorly in some cases but it's full of good songs which it's the same songwriter as or co-songwriter for South Park. Bigger, Longer and Uncut is the lead songwriter on Hairspray. So it does have kind of the feel of a dirty, cheeky musical. I'd also suggest everybody check out.
Starting point is 00:57:57 It's on Max right now and you can find it elsewhere. But the stop motion Daffy in Wacky Land short. It's amazing it's it's technically part of the looney tunes show but it is just incredible to look at on its own like it should be a short they play before warner movie yeah i saw you review that on letterbox i didn't realize it was out i know they're still holding on to a lot of the new looney tunes it's because i follow people who have worked on them i don't know what the plans are for that uh but i'm looking forward to maybe more things
Starting point is 00:58:26 that are this experimental if they're in the can. And I'm curious how it debuted along with festival screening of the Looney Tunes movie that's about to be coming out. Maybe theatrically even? I think it might be theatrical. I hope to God it is. It'd be great to see that.
Starting point is 00:58:42 I've seen clips of it. It looks great. I don't know how much Looney Tunes could sustain sustain 80 minutes but i'm curious to see them try at least and with without a famous basketball player next to them how can bugs bunny do for a feature film yeah he's gonna need a lot of help though it looks like the feature films uh centers on daffy and porky which i think is smart to get it away from i mean i'm certain bugs bunny will be there but don't focus on bugs yeah i have to watch a lot of these shorts by the way i feel bad that i haven't they've been
Starting point is 00:59:09 out for quite a bit now but i do like where we had so much chuck jones celebration so many things modeled after how chuck jones drew and wrote uh cartoons that we are going back to the classic 30s daffy and porky pairing and you know uh with the new looney tunes a lot of the designs were it was it was not you know pre chuck jones but it was before chuck jones sort of took over as the brand identity when i went on the warner brothers studio tour which was a lot of fun i was there with a person who had worked at a Warner store. And they mentioned that Chuck Jones came into the Warner store that one day and walked around and saw like, oh, this is my Daffy. That's not my Daffy.
Starting point is 00:59:53 That's the real Bugs. That's not my Bugs. And it just reminded me again of like the Chuck Jones aesthetic, which I love. It overtook all of the other aesthetics you're allowed to have with Looney Tunes. And I think that did hold them back creatively for such a long time yeah i mean we love chuck jones and we've done did we do a podcast about the dover boys man we did i we did want to duck a muck that's the i remember that but did we do dover boys boy we've talked about so many we've done too many podcasts it's official if we can't remember if we've covered something but yeah i
Starting point is 01:00:23 remember getting a little tired of his style of him being the ambassador uh other directors not getting as much attention and you know we're visiting his work i thought well yeah i understand why he's he's amazing he's fantastic he's one of the greats but i like seeing oh we're talking about bob clampett and frank tashlin and a few other folks that were not on the same pedestal as jones was after while he was alive and you know know, 20 years after his death. Get ready for Las Vegas style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,
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Starting point is 01:01:45 So on behalf of Desjardins Insurance, I'm standing 20,000 feet above sea level to tell our clients that we really care about you. Home and auto insurance personalized to your needs. Weird, I don't remember saying that part. Visit Desjardins.com slash care and get insurance that's really big on care did i mention that we care uh and as for tv i finished up the season of smiling friends what a fun time i think you you enjoy the smiling friends a lot too as as as most right thinking people do yes it was great i actually have to watch the last episode i forgot that there were eight but once again i love all the internet guests they pull on.
Starting point is 01:02:26 I love the experiments with animation they do. It's a fun show, and I'm sure we'll see eight more episodes in two and a half years. Speaking of waiting two years for seasons, I watched all of season four, boys. And not as good as season three, I got to say. They did a couple things that made me go like, ugh, bleh. Like, to steal a point from Felix Biederman on Chapo Trap House, but the boys' politics has gotten weaker in that
Starting point is 01:02:52 they just have characters say things that conservatives would say and that you're supposed to go like, what you're supposed to do is say like, Jewish space lasers, that's an insane thing a character says, and then you're supposed to Google it and see that, you know, Laura Loomer or whoever the fuck said that really said it but if you're too plugged into the internet when you hear a guy say women have a way of stopping that type deal about sexual assault you just go god damn you reference it that's like over a decade old why are you doing
Starting point is 01:03:23 this in the show you had you were smarter with dealing with politics stuff before yeah it sounds like they're trying to get some cheap appeal by trotting out these things that are very easy to make fun of and you know touchstones i guess for political moments there's also a thing they do to huey's character in the last episode that i did not like but but also i think i think january 6th messed up the there's too much january 6th in there there's too much of like january 6th happened between seasons and they wrote a season that reflects it maybe too much and then they had to again they were working towards this season arc the entire time but they had to put up a warning and change the name of the final episode because it had the word
Starting point is 01:04:05 assassination in it in the final episode so well it's funny because we watched the weird al movie weird uh week after the assassination attempt and i thought oh this scene is very funny there's a certain scene in it you'll know what i'm talking about if you've seen it but uh i wonder if people are tugging their collars now going oh yes we, ooh. Yes. We're in a weird time. Snipers used to be funny. Maybe in a month we'll joke about snipers again. I also had a fun trip to visit my family for a family reunion and go over a recently passed relative. They go through their stuff, decide what we want to donate, or if anybody you know say take uh his entire collection of the love and rockets comics that he had which i was i was happy to uh to to inherit that was that was
Starting point is 01:04:52 also a cool relative yes he had yes he he was he was a very cool fun guy my mom's side of the family is the fun side who would buy me weird indie comics like eight ball and love and rockets and hate uh he had an issue one of Hate, of Peter Baggs Hate. Is this the guy that brought you the Sam & Max trade? Oh no, that's my also cool uncle, Uncle Eric. Too many cool uncles.
Starting point is 01:05:16 It was really cool to see him there and we got to go through there also was an embarrassing bit there where my uncle's collection had a lot of dvds of like great obscure movies and everybody knew i liked those movies and they said like oh henry you should grab that one and i had to say i have that in gray already or no i actually already know that they he had a giant box set of all of futurama and. And they were like, oh, well, Henry's going to want that one.
Starting point is 01:05:45 And I had to go like, I own all of those DVDs already. Tell your family, I live in the Criterion closet. Yes. But fortunately, my cool relatives, my cool cousin got to get instead. I also got to meet, yes, I learned one of my coolest cousins, that they have a job in voice acting in Hollywood. I got to learn that too, which was really cool. Oh, can you shout them out?
Starting point is 01:06:06 Do you know their work? Oh yeah, it's Liz Mori. They have been doing a lot of cool stuff. They were just in the Dead by Daylight game and also the Fire Emblem Engage DLC. Oh, the rules. They are really going places as a voice actor. It was really cool to learn.
Starting point is 01:06:23 If you want to hear my thoughts on my trip to Disneyland for Pride Night, that's all on Podcast The Ride, which was a lot of fun. And the Academy Museum, it is great. I got to hear so many cool things there. It's relatively new in LA. LA people I met there, I was like,
Starting point is 01:06:36 oh, have you been there? Like, no, I haven't yet. That looks so cool. The Warner Studio Tour was really great. Drew Mackey joined me and my husband on it too. And we got to see the alley where Spider-Man did his upside-down kiss, where also the cover for Princess Purple Rain was photographed. Famous alley.
Starting point is 01:06:54 And also tons of scenes from Pee-wee's Big Adventure, and The Music Man, which was a lot of fun to see. Yeah, I hope that the third act is just the backlot of Warner Brothers, of Pee-wee's Big Adventure. I appreciate, too, that on the many great pictures, mainly taken by Nina when we were all at Universal together. Thanks, everybody, for the very nice comments on my weight loss and how I looked in the photos.
Starting point is 01:07:19 So that was very nice to hear. I had been working hard to look my best on that L.A. trip, in part because we were going to go to Universal, and I was going to meet up with a bunch of family I hadn't seen in a while. I'm currently the lightest I've been in 20 years, I want to say, I think. Wow. I'm so thin right now I can wear an XL from Japan T-shirt or a sweatshirt. A whole new world of merch has revealed itself to you.
Starting point is 01:07:47 I just went on a really nice nature walk last weekend just to part of my extra active schedule right now. But yeah, so my goal weight is at least 10 more pounds away. But I'm not being unhealthy about this either. But yeah, it's been going good. Yeah, I kicked my health stuff into overdrive for that trip as well uh i think i've eaten about 14 000 pounds of broccoli since i got back from milwaukee and knew that there was a a trip and lots of photos ahead of me so uh yeah i'm keeping it going so when you see me at portland i might be two-dimensional they'll they'll be i've trouble finding you yes i guess turn to the side and slip away and now it's time to talk about the questions and comments left on the recent round of episodes and
Starting point is 01:08:30 the first episode is the bart of war and wait what says pax tv was such a weird brain worm of a network because one of the few things i remember of that network was that it was where i watched deke's weird super mario cartoons mostly world but then, PAX found a way to make those Mario reruns religious, airing it in a block called Cloud 9, where all the cartoons are hosted by actors with angel wings who run a Bozo the Clown-like show in heaven. The block didn't last that long before becoming a hostless cartoon block, but for a time, it was certainly a channel-surfing oddity
Starting point is 01:09:02 that just catches you off guard when it was on. This is Bob speaking. Wait, what? That sounds insane. I'd love to see clips of Cloud 9. And it seems like angels showing you clips of bad cartoons is actually a form of hell. I think it's a trick that Satan is playing on you. You're not in heaven. You've clearly lost God's light if you're being shown Super Mario World, the cartoon.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Yeah. And I think this is a reference to, or this person is talking about how PAX was on this episode because Homer's flipping channels. It's like, up next on PAX. And it's this show about Jesus. And the dialogue is, Jesus called. He did. That's right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:41 That's when Marge changes the channel from South Park to good Christian TV. Yeah. But to know that I did research and saw that they did like some original programming that was like a dramatic hour long. That's about angels because, you know, Touched by an Angel was some of their highest rated stuff. But I didn't know it also extended to their Bozo the Clown-like segments of kids' hosts are angels showing you Mario cartoons. This is not in the Bible. Actually, I think the Bible would disprove Yoshi's existence entirely. Yes, yes. Sacrilege. Again, you're in hell. But also, I'm part of war. Mr. President says, regarding Ralph's I'm in danger line, it may surprise everybody to remember that this is not a Ralph quote from a Simpsons episode. It originates in the 2014 Family Guy crossover, The Simpsons Guy, where it is said by Ralph as Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson, lengthy brawl causes the school bus to crash. Wow, that shows us.
Starting point is 01:10:39 I thought it was a Simpsons thing, but whenever I see it online, I think people also don't know that it's the Simpsons guy episode of Family Guy. It shows what a good job they did at drawing Simpsons style for that episode that are technically Family Guy episodes of The Simpsons appearing, though the Simpsons staff was heavily involved in it, though we're over 10 years away from covering that one in our Simpsons chronology. Oh, boy. I may find another podcast network uh before that happens if uh you got till 2036 okay we'll see what happens then uh up next is whacking day and andrew bouvier says as talking simpsons foremost resident vermonter i feel it's my duty to inform you about Ethan Allen. First off, the answer is yes. The Furniture Not Paint Company was not founded by Ethan Allen himself, simply named after him when it was founded in the early 20th century. In addition to the capture of Fort Ticonderoga,
Starting point is 01:11:34 he was instrumental in the founding of Vermont as an independent republic from 1777 to 1791 with a full constitution that outlawed slavery from the get-go. And by the way, I meant slavery, but I just read that sentence three times and i'm not gonna do it again we did three times mouthful of a sentence moving on he even had some negotiations with the british to possibly hand vermont back over to them before land disputes with new york and new hampshire were resolved and the two states agreed to allow a vote from vermont to be admitted to the union as the 14th state thank you andrew bouvier my question is how did ethan allen come up in this episode? Oh, well, we mentioned the Fort Ticonderoga is part of the proof that Springfield, that Gemini Springfield wasn't at Wacking Day and that it was a sham. And I think then we
Starting point is 01:12:18 named some of the other patriots who were there and were like ethan allen the paint company like so uh bouvier has helped us understand ethan allen's place in american revolutionary history i'm learning so much about who's affiliated with paints uh thad kamarowski also says on that episode barry white's earlier contribution to animation was in bakshi's coonskin one of those movies that are hard to watch but has some amazing things in it and he's the voice of brother bear and he appears in the live action segments too something was in the air as the carbuncle baby huey cartoon foul photography made around this time was initially supposed to have a jfk assassination gag that got axed by harveys. It got changed to a Lincoln assassination gag.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Very funny. Yeah. The, the baby Huey reboot from the nineties is essentially Ren and Stimpy because they got carbuncle to work on it and it goes places. I see a lot of YouTube clips of this and some of the extreme jokes, and this is not what I associate with baby Huey, but this is how I was introduced to the character. So I think these are some pretty fun cartoons. If you're looking for similar 90s gross out fun times i couldn't believe they did that with the harvey cartoons because as a kid it was like oh i i need something safer than archie comics i guess i'll get harvey comics like archie's a little too risque for me i think at that point they pitched the idea and thomas harvey the third was like just do whatever the kids want
Starting point is 01:13:45 i'm losing to these video games here we gotta do something oh yeah by the way check out a recent retronauts it's on the patreon for retronauts henry and i covered a lot of nicktoons games with ian jones cordy and we talked about seven distinct ren and stimpy video games bob really did his research on that one and it's always fun to talk about cable cartoons with a creator of a cable cartoon and also awesome guy, Ian Jones-Quartey. So up next is Moe Baby Blues. And Tom Patron says, Fun fact about Raymond Percy, he is probably responsible for an infamous internet creepypasta video, Blank Room Soup. It's just a creepy video of a guy crying while eating soup with a suited character Raymond created named Ray ray standing in frame watching raymond has claimed that the suit was stolen from him to create the
Starting point is 01:14:29 video but if i recall there is evidence that he has close friends with a few performance artists who have used the ray ray suits for more nefarious reasons in the past creepy music videos for example and henry added the note that raymond percy is the assistant director on this episode that went on to be a top guy at Disney Animation. And hey, if you're under Lauren McMullen working with her, I can see how that will help you rise to the top. So that's funny that after this episode aired, I think he would have done that blank room soup thing,
Starting point is 01:14:56 which we're slightly too old to have memorized all of the creepypastas from back then. I mean, we watched some Newgrounds stuff back then, but I didn't keep up with all the creepypastas. Also because I'm a wuss. That stuff can be scary. By the time Creepypastas came out, it was the late aughts,
Starting point is 01:15:11 and I thought, oh, I realize I'm now too old for something. And it's like, oh, there's a haunted Majora's Mask. Ooh! And I thought, that's kind of lame. I think I remember a friend saying, like, come on, watch Salad Fingers. I'm like, eh, I get it.
Starting point is 01:15:26 I get it. Salad Fingers is fine. It's just a silly little character. But yeah, Raymond Percy, we mentioned him in the episode as he also is the voice actor of the famous sloth from Zootopia. Which was just giving one of the artists a one-off line in the movie, who then becomes the most popular breakout character from Zootopia. And so he's now a professional voice actor from that. Purple Comet also says on Moe Baby Blues, interestingly, the day after this posted, Hank Azaria was nominated for an Emmy for portraying Moe Sislak. What's eerie is that Facebook just showed me a story of a corpse flower
Starting point is 01:16:02 blooming. It's not even mentioned in the talking simpsons episode description well that's because facebook is spying on you and that's great because they're an american company so we approve of that they're only going to use it for good purposes yeah selling you commercials for articles about corpse flowers when i pulled in the emmy news i was like hank is there he must be nominated for a specific thing right but no it is overall for the simpsons it does not name an episode or a part so it's just his voice acting and he is a great i mean he's still doing a great job his voice acting i'd i don't know it's not a competition but i guess of the main six is he the best now i
Starting point is 01:16:37 i would say that i'd say he's better than dan and i'd put dan at first uh before they need to give harry shearer a lifetimeetime Voice Acting Achievement Award or something because he has been suspiciously absent from any of these nominations. He deserves it, though not for recent things, but he does deserve it, a Lifetime Achievement Award. He probably wouldn't like it
Starting point is 01:16:56 because it would tell him he's old, which also I was seeing Harry Shearer in my feed a little bit lately because he was getting off some okay liberal comedy of this biden guy's pretty fucking old isn't he guys hey i think harry sheerer he's one year younger than joe biden so he can look down on him it's like look at this old motherfucker uh and that is it for talking simpsons comments uh what a cartoon there was no episode in july
Starting point is 01:17:20 but it was not part of the notes we can tell you about what august episode will be and it's a surprise in the end of the podcast. So if you have written your comment already before listening, you have to know you got to wait till the podcast ends. We keep saying this because there'll be egg all over your face and you might be driving and that's dangerous. But August episode of What a Cartoon Movie will be the X-Men 97 episode to me, my X-Men, the first episode of the series. We're very excited to talk about that it is also three hours long we're doing very long podcasts even without a guest and it's great and it's of added value to you the customer we were so jazzed for x-men 97 that we wanted to cover it as soon as the season was over and it was our first regular episode we could do and yeah i we had such
Starting point is 01:18:03 a great we've already recorded it we had such a great time and i have the file back already i completely forgot it's like oh we did that right like i didn't even think to put it on the list yeah it's the danger of working too far ahead but yes look forward to that in august now we're moving on to what a cartoon movie comments for june the episode was all about mulan it's a six-hour episode hope you you liked it. And Joe Hodgson says, Mulan is a pretty unremarkable Disney film that I only remember because I did visit Disney's MGM studios during its production. It was nearly complete and I can recall taking the tour and seeing some of the production art, though they were still keeping a lot of its secrets. I mostly recall the maquettes for artist reference, which are pretty cool looking.
Starting point is 01:18:39 I was well into my teens by then, so when the film came out, I didn't pay much attention. I think my family rented it eventually and I don't recall seeing it in theaters. My takeaway is similar to yours in that this is a bad fit for a G-rated film. It can't go far enough in depicting how terrible war is, and instead it's mostly happy fun time antics with an annoying dragon. The final act feels so out of place and is not rewarding at all. Because of my criticisms of the film, it did make me curious if this is the one animated classic from disney that might benefit from a redo in live action but despite that thought i have yet to bother with the live action version and i have no plans to see it yes thank you joe i feel the same way and my expectations were defied like i said up front mulan thought i was going to be great disappointed
Starting point is 01:19:21 pocahontas thought i would be disappointed i thought it was really good so it's been a it's been a radical summer it's been a real roller coaster on what a cartoon movie also on Mulan F Shackelford says after a bunch of other stuff giving lots of great context it's a very long comment though so folks should just read the previous stuff but the meat of it is I wanted to pull out something I noticed that was most likely unintentional was the way Mulan's relationship with her family seems to reflect the 90s in China being in the aftermath of the one-child policy. Mulan is an only child, so her family spends a lot of time and energy worrying about whether she can become a functional enough adult member of society to thrive on her own and care for them in their old age, since she is their only horse in the race.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Mulan, meanwhile, has the entire burden of her family's expectations on her. As a result, she goes on a crazy adventure at great personal risk that, in a roundabout way, ends up more or less allaying her family and ancestors' worries. The last thing I want to add, part of the reason that marriage is important in Chinese society is that regardless of the sex of your child, as an adult, you have likely already spent years attending the weddings of friends and relatives and giving them courtesy gifts of significant monetary value. It's usually gifts of money in contrast to the American tradition of a wedding registry.
Starting point is 01:20:39 So your own children's wedding represents your turn to recoup those favors this is in addition to the traditional dowry stuff we usually think of for medieval wedding payback time we all think that in our own way after weddings of like oh i bought them this for their wedding and now it's my wedding and i got this from them they didn't like we all keep that kind of calculus in american society so now i've forgotten who got me what for my wedding. I can't remember either what people got me, actually. On the day, I remember. But I think I know I remember me and Darren got you a nice thing.
Starting point is 01:21:15 We got you that tiki room. Oh, yes. Like placard. Yeah, it's a little parrot statuette thingy, right? Yeah, from the Disney's tiki room. It's out of frame here, but it is on top of my bookcase in the podcast room. That does almost sound like you're making an excuse like, oh, I love your gift. It's right over there.
Starting point is 01:21:32 Let me adjust my camera. I think you can see it. No, no, no. I believe you. I believe you. Hold on. Let me turn it around real quick. Yes, it's between Batman and Skull Kid.
Starting point is 01:21:38 Actually, it's- Oh, I see it there. I do see it. It's the Cyborg Hardak Batman. You got me. Oh, I also got you that. Yeah. I'm a good friend. No, I have your it. It's the cyborg hard act Batman. You got me. Oh, I also got you that. Yeah. I'm a good friend.
Starting point is 01:21:48 No, I have your gifts right over there. I see them too. Yes. We figured that out. But yes, it does seem to be a bit critical of Chinese culture in the movie. I wasn't even thinking of the one child policy when thinking about the movie, though. Yeah, no, which was what many americans thought of china it was that would be one of the first things a regular american would name of like oh isn't that
Starting point is 01:22:09 a thing they do in china interesting moving on to talking futurama in a god of dalila and evan brady says pierces kambata the bald lady in star trek the motion picture was also in the only good gi joe movie mega force and i believe pierces's kombata came up because the episode a lot of it is a parody of what happens in the first star trek film i brought up that pierce's kombata is in warrior of the lost world the classic mst3k movie and henry i think you have to be able to tell me this what is mega force i'm hearing of this for the first time oh i had to look it up too but it is totally a it is like a red letter media riff track style movie. Like it is a ridiculous, it is a G.I. Joe type film where everybody is like a soldier with a specialty.
Starting point is 01:22:54 And she is, she's like the most famous person, one of the most famous people in the movie, I think, which is not a good sign for the movie Megaforce. I'm looking it up now. I really want to see if uh if riff tracks ever covered this and if yeah you're right it feels like total oh they did i have seen this i have seen this uh it came out in 2015 riff tracks has a riff of mega force if you want to see pierce's gumbata i think she was only ever bald in star trek the motion picture because she's got a lot of hair here i you know i was also thinking of mst3k type people because because in my early Tarzan research I'm doing lately, I forgot that that was being in a Bo Derek Tarzan movie was the most famous thing that Miles O'Keefe did. The man who is Miles of O'Keefe in Cave Dwellers.
Starting point is 01:23:39 Right. Tor himself. Wait, is it Ator? It's Ator. Ator. Ator, yes. That's right. Tor's a different big guy. He is in the Tarzan movie that is mainly about Bo Derek being naked in it, but technically he's also Tarzan in the movie. It's like, what if a Tarzan movie was about Jane as the main character and Tarzan was second to it? And what if Jane got naked for about eight minutes of the movie?
Starting point is 01:24:04 Wow. You know, Miles O'Keefe, those miles are continuing to stretch off into the distance because he's still alive at 70 wow he's still keeping it up i forgot they did the second a-tour movie or the first a-tour movie on the most recent season of mystery science theater didn't they yeah i think it might be something i know riff tracks did another one of the a-tour movies there could be three of them i i think there's more than two. Uh, also on Inigata Dalila. It's funny.
Starting point is 01:24:27 I didn't even think of bringing that up. I'm like, Oh, something with a gratuitous nudity moving on to more Inigata Dalila talk. Um, Brian Benelli says there's probably a different twilight zone episode, which more closely mirrors this one. It's called probe seven over and out.
Starting point is 01:24:42 And it involves a man and a woman who are stranded on an alien planet and surprise surprise we learn at the end their names are adam and eve have you guessed the name of their planet it was earth my response was the end yes yeah you know rod serling complete heck he loved that twist so goddamn much it pops up in maybe four or five of his stories that he wrote for television and movies. We get it. The Bible and science fiction, it's just perspective. We get it. We get it.
Starting point is 01:25:14 That's always a Twilight Zone thing where the world you thought you knew is actually this. One of the lamest ones is, oh, there's a soldier and a ballerina and an army man. They're in this space. They don't know what's going on. And at the of real you realize oh they're donated toys it's like toy story but they're in hell though yeah they're the most the the best prestigious version of that is the planet of the apes which which serling wrote uh wrote for too moving on to talking to the hill the episode was revenge of the ludafisk it was an episode about stinky poop and hate crimes and they go together so well in this very funny episode and sean freeder says i had ludafisk once at a minnesota church potluck appropriately enough i couldn't get past the
Starting point is 01:25:55 texture i haven't met anyone that truly likes ludafisk most of the old timers had different ways to cover up the taste thank you sean many folks have told me I will not be able to get lutefisk, but don't worry. I will have a number of Midwestern treats in front of me. Fried cheeses and fish fry. A lot of fried items is what I'm saying here. And also plenty of beer.
Starting point is 01:26:15 It's going to be like Milwaukee trip part two for me. And I will be eating even more broccoli when I return. They are trying to temper your Minnesota expectations when it comes to lutefisk. Yeah. I guess maybe if I was there during the holidays and I found someone who was 94 years
Starting point is 01:26:29 old serving dinner, then I could strike. Other than that, it's going to be very difficult to find. Your only hope is if you end up in one of those viral stories of, we texted the wrong person and invited them to Christmas dinner, and it's you and your wife. I feel like most of those stories end in violence, and those aren't reported on. And in her final comment, Kat Hageberg says, I definitely feel like the choice of Mary Tyler Moore to voice Reverend Stroop probably felt super on the nose for older generations slash the target audience at the time. My mom, for example, growing up, it seemed like her particular brand of feminism was rooted in two things. Mary Tyler Moore, that show was a huge inspiration for her when she was young,
Starting point is 01:27:09 and she for sure identifies with the character. And women should be priests. She was slash is a self-described liberal Catholic. Cat's mom is who she is there. And the Minnesota thing to boot would have made her an ideal fit for a similar audience. I wonder also, aside from general sitcom oversights, if the lack of accents in the Mary Tyler Moore show was because it took place in Minneapolis. Most people I know who live there, as is the case in a lot of major cities,
Starting point is 01:27:38 aren't actually from there, and I've honestly heard more Minnesota accents in Los Angeles. Anyone want to eat bagels and watch Drag Race? Then in Minneapolis. Love this episode and discussion, and I think now I'm going to recommend it to my mom. She was never a big King of the Hill fan, but even in spite of the poop, I think she'd love it. Yeah, the thing about the accents is pretty true. Our friend Kat Bailey grew up outside of the Twin Cities in a suburb, and she's got that
Starting point is 01:28:05 battle shift where, yeah, she's to say Bagel instead of Bagel. Instead of Dragon Quest, it's Dragon Quest. And instead of using the word figure, like, oh, I can't figure it out. She says figure. So a lot's going on with that part of the world that's different than, let's call them normal parts of the world. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Starting point is 01:28:23 Having grown up, as we did on so much mystery science theater that accent is heartwarming oh yeah especially when they lapse into it to do little jokes and riffs i love when i forget exactly which one it was in but trace i think it was in cinematic titanic even but he did a very specific reference to like a local ad in the Minnesota area for like a place that advertises they're based in Bemidji, which I'm like, if you've ever heard of the word the city of Bemidji before, then you must have watched Fargo the season one. Otherwise, you wouldn't have any idea. If you know about Circle Pines, you either live there or watch Mystery Science Theater because Circle Pines was a constant reference. They employed probably a good chunk of the people who knew how to film television in the Minneapolis area. Oh, maybe when I'm there,
Starting point is 01:29:10 I can have our friend take us to drive by the former Best Brains lot. Oh, man, if you can do that, I would love to see folks. No, not Brainerd. I'm sorry. It's in Eden Prairie. That's right. Eden Prairie, yes.
Starting point is 01:29:21 I would love to see. We only dreamed of visiting that. That warehouse seems so magical to me as a kid. I'm just like, wow, look, it's a warehouse full of all my favorite puppet friends. I wonder what's happening there now. Maybe I can report back. But that is it for this episode of Talk to the Audience. We've got an exciting August. Remember, it's going to kick off with our coverage of X-Men 97. We know you've been waiting for it. It's right around the corner. And then great podcast miniseries episodes about talking futurama and talking of the hill we've got the uh the iphone
Starting point is 01:29:49 episode of talking futurama the death row episode of king of the hill and then we're going to cap off the month with the what a cartoon movie about tarzan and this month also in talking simpsons there's going to be a special episode about the yellow album we covered simpsons sing the blues years ago that was a lot of fun now we're going to talk about the less good and less talked about album that followed it up that came out five years when it uh passed when it was supposed to it's full of very interesting facts and bad songs crappy songs but great facts crappy pitched up songs yes yeah it's it if i was matt graining i would have uh threatened a lawsuit to prevent it from being released. Yep.
Starting point is 01:30:26 His lawyers were busy then. Who knows? But, yes, we have a great month of Simpsons as well planned. August is going to be a great time. So July flew right by. Was it because it was full of wet floors and coughing lungs? Perhaps. But we've got a great August coming.
Starting point is 01:30:44 That's right. So thanks for listening to Talk to the Audience. We'll see you again next week for a new episode of Talking Simpsons. Take care. Wow. Infotainment.

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