Talking Simpsons - Talking Simpsons - How I Spent My Strummer Vacation With Chris Wade

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

For a tale of rock stars and camping, we're joined by Chris Wade from the awesome podcasts Chapo Trap House, And Introducing..., and Hell on Earth! Following a discussion of Taxicab Confessions, we see what aging rock stars were like 21 years ago, with Homer befriending a new group of extremely famous people. We reflect on the acting abilities of Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Lenny Kravitz, and more, so grab some cheaper oatmeal and listen now! Support this podcast and get over 150 bonus episodes by visiting Patreon.com/TalkingSimpsons and becoming a patron! And please follow the official Twitter, @TalkSimpsonsPod!

This podcast is brought to you by patreon.com slash talking simpsons head there to check out exclusive podcasts like talking futurama talk king of the hill the what a cartoon movie podcast and tons more. I heartily endorse this event or product. Ahoy, ahoy, everybody, and welcome to Talking Simpsons, where rule number two is no outside food. I'm one of your hosts, the taxicab confessor, Bob Mackie, and this is our chronological exploration of The Simpsons. Who else is here with me today? It's Henry Gilberton.

I'm afraid if I stop talking, I'll die. And who is our special guest on the line? Hello, it's Chris Wade. Glad to be back. And this week's episode is How I Spent My Strummer Vacation. Cheer up, Homer. It's only rock and roll, Kev.

But I like it. This episode originally aired on November 10, 2002. And as always, Henry will tell us what happened on this mythical day in real world history. Oh, my God. Oh, boy, Bobby. The United Nations passes Resolution 1441, giving Iraqi President Saddam Hussein a final opportunity to cooperate with international weapons inspectors.

Meanwhile, the Rolling Stones play San Francisco the night before this airs, and Simpsons Skateboarding hits the PlayStation 2 video game console. Wow. What was the bigger war crime, Resolution 1441 or Simpsons Skateboarding? Am I right? Am I right, folks? As soon as you said UN passes resolution, I was like, oh, this is not going to be good. It's late 2002. Things are, you know, we're on the long, steady march now.

It's really amazing. Like you said, November 10th. We are two months after September 11th, and they have already fully, in 60 days, been like, actually, this is about chemical weapons in Iraq. Well, it's a year in 60 days. This is November 2002. Oh, 2002. Okay, yes, it is. Still pretty quick.

They were reading until after the midterms, though, to really do this. But yes, I also mentioned the Rolling Stones things because this entire episode is an ad for this exact tour that is happening. Oh, okay. This would be the 40 Licks tour, correct? You are correct. It's the 40 Licks tour. And at this show in San Francisco on November 9th,

Sheryl Crow opened for them. That's how big the Rolling Stones are. Yeah, I saw their most recent tour was last summer. Isn't that crazy? Yes. Their 60 tour, 60th anniversary and i think it did the last show of that i was just looking up to see what what it did and i think they wrapped that up in germany in january so another 20 years of rolling stone tours on top of this

when they're supposed to be old in this episode and you know i've played simpson skateboarding in the last decade and like it's not as bad as Simpsons wrestling. It basically is just like a worse Tony Hawk. It's just like a cheapo Tony Hawk. But I mean, at least it makes sense. Bart, skateboarding games are huge in 2002, so why not Bart doing it? And one character skateboards. Why can't they all skateboard?

I'm sure you've gone over this on other episodes of this but are there any good simpsons video games other than the arcade side scroller beat them up there's the arcade beat them up there's simpsons hit and run which is the gta clone which is pretty good for the time and the simpsons game from 2007 is a b minus let's say c C plus B minus. It's not actively aggravating. Yeah. Everything else... And technically, there's a computer game that is basically a series of

screensavers. Not truly a game. It's more of a vibe. But it's fun. It's fun. It's alright. But joining us today, our special guest, Chris Wade, producer of Chapo Trap House, host of the Ann Introducing Podcast, and also co-host of the recent Chapo miniseries, Hell on Earth with Matt Chrisman. Welcome back to the show, Chris. Hey, thanks for letting me be here. Thanks for letting me look into one of the episodes from probably the last season that I watched every episode of The Simpsons. This seems probably around when I fell off. Now, you know a lot about pop music, Chris. That's

another reason we wanted you on this one. This is an interesting time of rock music for America. Yes, I think there is one specific tell in this episode that really hit the bullseye for me. And I mean, I'll get into it immediately, is that this is a star-studded lineup of A-list figures in rock that you have Mick and Keith from the Rolling Stones. You've got Tom Petty. You've got Elvis Costello. You've got Lenny Kravitz. And you've got Brian Setzer, probably the last moment that he would ever be considered in this realm of stratospheric rock and roll talent. That is the part of this that makes this particular lineup feel more like most like a hangover from the last era of rock music. You know, yeah, with the appearance of Brian Setzer, I thought was the lead squirrel nut zipper unavailable. Yes, exactly. Was the head Cherry Poppin' Daddy not

answering his phone? What's going on here? Cherry Poppin' Daddy is of course the worst name for a major rock band ever conceived. It's revolting. I think it's even worse than Anal Cunt. At least there's a humor to Anal Cunt even though the

in its bluntness it's more humorous than the attempt of a joke that Cherry Pop and Daddy's has. You know, I was curious, Chris, too, like you've seen a lot more live music than us. Have you seen any of these guest stars live? That's a good question. I do not think that I have. Rolling Stones are obviously, I probably should have gone out of my way to see them on the last tour.

They seem pretty bucket list in terms of just trying to get like all the huge touring acts having seen them once all the other ones i mean i don't even know the last time like elvis costello was on obviously i've missed tom petty at this point don't think i'll be seeing brian setzer though if it was a convenient show and i was like free that night i might go out and see the brian setzer orchestra i'm sure that's a fun time my mom loves the brian setzer orchestra yeah she has seen them because they would play disney world she's seen them play disney world twice that's a fun time. My mom loves the Brian Setzer Orchestra. She has seen them because they would play Disney World. She's seen them play Disney World twice. That's better than playing a mall, right?

It's a step up. That's America's mall. I have seen one of these guys live, and that was Tom Petty at the Bridge School Benefit concert in the year 2000 in the Bay Area. It's a concert that Neil Young puts on. I think it's to benefit a school for autism. And he was good and he opened the show by saying that george w bush wanted to use don't back down for his campaign and he said hell

no oh yes everybody applauded this was uh october of 2000 by the way that's great tom petty's bit and this is one of the few few things in this episode that made me uh made me laugh uh you know i yeah this is this is a weird episode that is this is just in the long tradition of star fucker episodes of simpsons like so it's not like this is weird in that regard but this is a list of like well what rock stars can we get there's like there's no rhyme or reason to it beyond it wouldn't surprise you chris to know that this started with the rolling stones contacted them and said we want to appear on the show to promote the 40 licks tour so yeah getting into this episode in general i

would just say that i was looking back and forth through the rest of this season just to see where the show's at and i think it gives you a general sense of the wheels falling off in a specific way that in the next like 10 episodes two of them are like marge body transformation episodes which you know is already kind of a weird thing to have that that would be the the marge breast implants episode and the marge bodybuilder episode which are within like three or four and it's just like maybe one of those a season is like not not that big of a red flag but that they're both back to back within like six episodes i'm like there's it seems like something weird is going on you know as you're watching these like when they're coming out and we just had the marge as a cat woman furry creature in the halloween special this year so it's all happening at once maybe there

was one guy on the staff around this time who had like a weird thing going on john swartzwelder it's why he's gone after the season getting his rocks off one last time uh very brief preamble stuff technically this is the last self uh animated produced episode of the simpsons not the last one to air but the last one that they produced with cells that are photographed traditionally everything else after that is on computers but there's like four or five more cell ones to air this is the last one produced on the commentary they mentioned the switch to digital uh writer tom gamble jokes computers will never replace writers though that's what we're striking about now everyone uh like 12 years later that's what we're striking about and yes the story behind this episode is that fox wanted an extra episode

for this season mike scully no longer on the show aljean is very busy he makes the offer to mike want to come back executive produce an episode mike says fine he goes to his uh stack of simpsons idea cards pulled out the most yellowed one and it says hom he goes to his uh stack of simpsons idea cards pulled out the most yellowed one and it says homer goes on taxi cab confessions it was a very old pitch and he couldn't figure out what would happen then because the idea was homer goes on the show says something awful about his family but then the rest of the show would just be homer apologizing and that's not fun to watch so what if instead homer was rewarded for being cruel to his family and that's where the story came from because mike scully listening to howard stern here's the lead

singer of mountain leslie west on the show talking about this rock and roll fantasy camp he's doing with some guys from cheap trick and he says yes that's where homer can go and the story comes together along with rolling stones directly contacting them saying get them on the show so it's a bunch of different pieces floating around in orbit which is why this episode has no story yes it's uh you can feel the sweat pouring off of the story the entire the entire time yeah i mean you start with an act one then act two is like well then that's at the camp and then act three is um more of the rock stars after the camp homer said again and i will say credit to mike scully he had the self-control to not include nrbq in this episode that's true yeah his his favorite uh chris in case you don't know that he loves the band nrbq

which we'd never have heard of until we knew mike scully liked them they're like a they're a jam ish band i guess you'd call them i've i've never heard of this they they have appeared in six episodes before this their music has i think it's at least 10 10 or 11 i'm i'm underselling it there that you know what scully even told this story to us in our first interview with him which unbelievably was in 2017 i when i pulled that up i was like wow he said it was the episode he felt second most pride about of any he worked on because he said it's second only to marge be not proud just for the pure fun of making it because he was pretty starstruck understandably so getting to direct

all these rock stars yeah that i i think you can tell that by the uh the clips and outtakes of the uh the band's recording that they put in the credit sequences yes though i will i will say that i don't think that the other guys give the bands give a tremendously good performance vocal performance one guy in particular uh though mick and keith i think handle the acquit themselves pretty well in the vocal performance category i want to see their spinoff where they're normal guys with those crazy voices and bodies and faces the The idea of rock and roll fantasy camp, we'll get into it. It's kind of ridiculous, but we can't be too cruel because in 30 years, Chris Henry will all be at podcast fantasy camp and Matt Crispin will be like the Stan Lee of that world. He'll be in a stool. He'll be on a stool. You put your arm around him and give him 10 bucks and just walk away. But I feel like that's going to be our future. I was at a music festival over the summer that had a podcast booth at it,

though it wasn't clear if it was for attendees to go in and record really quickly or if they were just doing live podcasts from it because it was always unattended when I walked by it. I was like, I feel like I should just take this over and start doing a pirate podcast from this Dutch drum and bass festival that I happen to be at that's so funny yeah actually podcast camp is really 10 years away now that I'd say actually oh no that's true I guess I guess one

other preamble thing I want to say is like this is such a Mike Scully episode in terms of his philosophy about comedy writing because so much of his comedy writing is what if a dad was very cruel? Because this episode is incredibly dad pilled. In fact, his, his show is a complete savages. The sitcom he made after he left the Simpsons. That's like,

what if a dad was just a huge asshole and really told his kids and the wife, what he thought about them. And that's really what this episode is about. Like, what if I could just tell my wife and kids, hate them and resent them and as you mentioned get rewarded yeah i don't know like homer feels really broken in this episode like the character feels broken because it is just him being a whiny asshole which he sometimes is want to do and then just continually getting rewarded for it and everybody just bending it bending and being like no it's

actually heroic that you're bitching about this so much uh you know that complete savage show i watched one episode of it for this podcast i think the it's big issue was they wanted to he wrote him and his writers did jokes that were just as gross as his seasons of the simpsons but seeing it in live action if that was a new like people were not ready for that like yeah and i think it's because mike scully is a very loving husband supportive father that his idea of comedy is what if that was the opposite yes what if i was just mean all the time happily happily married like lots of kids he's works with his wife all the time they co-created the duncanville show together like yeah duncanville is a better place

for his sad rock dad jokes just just peptic fatherhood jokes also if you want to dig into the dvd extras there's two uh secret ones in there one where elvis costello does a mini commentary track of basically just 90 seconds of him saying like uh i did I did the show and, uh, I liked it. I liked the show and goodbye. Can I leave now? Yeah. And, and the other one was, it seemed like for internal use only the video,

we see the little clips over the credits, but it's all of the footage. It's like 10 minutes of footage of them with all of the rock stars. You can hear Hank Azaria improvising as Keith Richards while recording with Mick Jagger. And Azaria says the F word like like unbleeped oh cool like fucking then Castle Meta says like hey you can't say that see that sounds in terms of pure entertainment I would rather just see the Simpsons voice cast improvising with rock stars than watch this episode like scripted episode of rock stars interacting with the Simpsons yeah you want the you want the liveliness of the rock stars then watch this episode like scripted episode of rock stars interacting with

the simpsons yeah you want the you want the liveliness of the rock stars in person instead of them just you know uh lightly saying jokes and and safe jokes that are that's another thing i never like with the the star fucker episodes is they always have to walk a very light line of like how self-deprecating do you get before the star goes like, Hey, I'm insulted. Like you can't do that. Yeah.

I don't know. It's like, and the thing is, is again, when the show has a good touch, they can really make it work. Like I, I always really liked the Lollapalooza episode and I feel like the jokes at

the expense of the musicians and the musicians they get for that were great. And, and usually really like funny, but still appreciative and um you know really good natured ribbing of that whole scene and but it's also it's just the difference that the jokes are good this is just like like mad libs for rock props you know like in insert guitar insert action yeah they treated peter frampton with more reverence than they do any of these uh rock stars yeah yeah instead of the them sending up the rock

stars the rock stars are more annoyed by how no one is showing them respect yeah in the show but i do i mean i think their idea instead of making fun of mick jagger keith richards they put them in different personas mick jagger is a stern camp counselor and then he later he's just like a regular dad mowing his lawn and when keith richards is worried about putting up storm windows i mean that's a funny enough game but rather than like making the rock camp just like a parade of references and dumb montages you know there'd be so much more juice and just doing that and actually doing that as a character bit and having it being like mick and keith are stuck up camp counselors who just who are obsessed with the order of their camp and then like have all the dads stage a classic summer camp rebellion or something like that like that's an episode that has like jokes and character gags and reversals

this is just sometimes rock stars play guitar like this sometimes they do it like this you know it's just like a list yeah it's been a while and we'll get into the the meat of the episode but I forgot they leave the camp at act two and I thought well what what happens now they just they just did all of their sketches and there's nothing else to do yeah i feel like there's an original version where it is like what chris was saying more like a meatball yeah yeah exactly just like yeah yeah i think my brain invented a better act three yeah you cast you cast the rock stars as the stuck-up warden figures and the the square dads is like i'm the episode of the version of this episode i'm imagining is like look at least there's something there or an arc you know uh but so the episode begins with a uh first a couch gag about

jumping the shark just to let you know where we are in late 2002 i mean jumping the shark was a very mainstream trend uh to talk about i'm sure i was i mean jumping the shark was a very mainstream trend uh to talk about i'm sure i was going to jump the shark.com it was fun it's fun this is like the the early age of internet forum speak infiltrating actual tv shows you know it only makes the simpsons worse the more they know what people are saying about them online i i have which they shouldn't know what we're saying about them that that is uh one of my my main things about like successful tv seasons successful shows like a show like say yellow jackets like once they know that they had a big enough pop with that show that they that they

were going to get a second season they should have uh enjoined the entire writing staff from like knowing reading anything about the show online like they were in jury duty or something and not to just single out yellow jackets but i think of that a lot for especially for things that don't know they're going to be as successful you know like a movie that doesn't think it's going to be as successful as it's going to be and then suddenly oh wow we're going to get to do a sequel of this you can't read anything about it you have to just go into the void and craft a new see a new uh edition of it i i've heard you guys make uh on on choppo several times the point of like so many shows today feel like they are they are written to be memed like dialogue

is exchanged in a way that can be cut out in four pictures for twitter uh perfectly yeah i mean i think not to contradict my my employers i think that they they do single that out as a trend but i do think it is both ways is like the audience is trained to take in dialogue like that just as the people who make it are trained to put out moments like that. And so I do think it is a symbiotic relationship of the way that people are viewing things and then the way that things are made to be viewed. But that's the reason that I'm like, you've got to completely isolate yourself from the knowledge of how things are absorbed by the culture at a certain point. And yes, again, as we got into it, this is an early red flag of like, oh, this is fun and cheeky in the moment. And oh, they understand what the nerd term is for this moment in a show, but it's in retrospect is a huge like sirens blaring. Do not do this. Do not go down this path.

They've been saying we jumped the shark a long time ago. I mean, at this point, they've been on the air longer than that. It took happy saying we jumped the shark a long time ago i mean at this point they've been on the air uh longer than that uh it took uh happy days to jump the shark yeah like literally that when the episode did your family uh sorry i keep on did happy days get to season 14 like i don't think so i don't think so i think it was like 11 years or something but wow i also have a couple little details to spice in from the original script that was put out there by the old twitter user that guy 3002 but there's not too many interesting ones but i'll mention a couple but this was the first one that i thought was a good funny joke which when homer pulls out his wallet and sees that it's empty in the original script he says they found my secret

money hiding place that's a good line but But of course, this being a Scully episode, it starts out with a poor father losing all his money to his dumb family needing things. Boo. Dads need their money for drinking. It's true. Hi, Mo. Got any

beer? Sure, check in the fridge. Wait a minute, I'm at work. You gotta pay for it. What the? Where's my money? Dear homie, had to buy diapers for Maggie. Love, Marge. What? Simpson.

Oh. Dear dad, took money for the school book fair. Homer, I need cash or they're gonna break my legs. Sorry, Homer. So you're just gonna let me walk out of here sober? I'm afraid so. And you can live with that? Uh-huh.

Fine. There are plenty of other ways for me to alter my consciousness. While I am down on this episode as a whole, I do think that the rest of the family is actually pretty funny in it. They have some good jokes. I enjoyed in his wallet that the note from Marge says, Love Marge, and then it scroll then scrolls down Simpson and he's like oh yeah yeah yeah and

then I also like that article yeah yeah and then I also like that Bart says that he needed the money or else they were going to quote break his legs they were going to break his leg I mean

a lot of funny Marge lights including Julie Kavner saying violent diarrhea twice at first I didn't like a diarrhea joke in the Simpson bug you know it's funny hearing March say it. If you have the power to write a line for March to say, you're going to abuse him.

I would. I would, too. It's a great gag that Homer, when he comes into Moe's, he's treating Moe's like it's his friends apartment. He's like, hey, you got beer? Yeah, it's in the fridge. Grab it. And then Moe has to realize, oh, no, wait, I'm supposed to make you pay for those.

So Moe won't let Homer get any drinks for free. He sends him away sober, which he can't believe. So Homer tries to get high in ways without drinking. First at high altitude, which I've never been to any high altitude cities. I don't know. How much does it affect you? You've been to Denver, Bob. I went to Denver.

It had no effect on me. I thought it would make it easier to get a little tipsy, but it really didn't. My understanding is it disorients you at first, and then you get used to it. I don't know. I haven't been to a high-altitude city in a long time. And also, Scully loves Homer's jokes about not licking toads, and so he's licking some more toads. Now, I definitely do get lightheaded giving blood. The last time I gave blood, I needed like five minutes to recover and get handed a juice box.'re like we have a juice box do you need that i was like yes i will say that i have to

realize that i had stolen this joke subconsciously maybe or i at least used the same joke in a web series that i did about a decade ago uh where i had a character uh suggesting getting low on blood for a cheap high i mean it makes a beer go along. Obviously, doctors will tell you do not drink alcohol after giving blood. But the reason is because one sip, like for Homer, goes a long way when you have less blood spreading out the alcohol. But yes, since Scully's back in charge, Homer is back to being the parody of the drunk fathers that all the writers grew up with. So Homer heads back there to show off how drunk he is. I mean, it's shocking to see him shove Carl.

They have a joke of him saying that he doesn't judge Lenny for his race. And then Homer shoving Carl is like, wow, dang, that's going far, Homer. But I wonder if this also is a 9-11 joke of Homer pulling out, I mean, people gave blood donations before 9-11, but I feel like there was a big spike in them and just people pointing at buttons like, I gave blood. Hey, you can't judge me. It's like a little flag pin kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

So Homer, for the first time ever, they don't want him to go drunk driving. Because Mo's liable. Yeah. This time he's liable. So they send him in a cab uh well actually first homer battles over his keys which fun i like uh castellaneta has some fun sounds of him pretending to drive i like that too oh i don't care about the color of your skin lenny you're my friend man i've never seen anybody get loaded so fast.

Homer, can you say the alphabet backwards? Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you? Hey, I'm worried. I've had just about enough of you. Oh, yeah? Yeah. All right. I'm out of here.

Hey, we can't let our friend drive like this. I'm liable here. Get his keys. You want my keys? our friend drive like this I'm liable here get his keys jerks jerks running Running after the car, huh? Let's see if you can follow this. That's it. Where to, pal? Homer gets in a cab, which he has to take him to Moe's. That's a good toss-off line at the end of that.

It was like, where to, buddy? He's like, Moe's Tavern. And this is when Homer wakes up the next day and he is confused. What's for breakfast, cutie? Homie, it's 5 p.m. We're having dinner. What? Wait a minute.

That can't be right. Wait. Was last night the night we set the clocks ahead eight hours? No, it was the night you got loaded at Moe's and the car had to be towed home. If I was that drunk, I would remember it. It's true. I couldn't even wake you up for work this morning. I had to tell Mr. Burns you had violent diarrhea.

Oh, couldn't you come up with a less embarrassing lie? But you did have violent diarrhea. Nobody opened the hallway closet until I say it's okay. Do you remember how you got home last night, Dad? Of course. It was some kind of a light rail. There's no light rail in Springfield. Oh, won't

anyone pretend to believe me? I will, Dad. That's why you're my favorite. That's a dark, realistic joke that if you enable a parent's drunkenness they will make you the favorite kid yeah they will appreciate that again violent diarrhea perhaps a new low but it's funny and I

like I don't like the idea but it's a it's a eight o'clock on Sunday and Marge is talking about how the closet is filled with liquid shit from a drunken father so I mean you guys have immersed yourself way more in this. That is pretty scatological for The Simpsons, right? It is about as low. I mean, when I think of most scatological jokes,

I do think of the two-story outhouse. I remember that joke. That was pretty scatological, too. Yeah, and there's like, in Who Shot Mr. Burns, even way back then, Abe wanders in saying, oh your your outhouse is broken and Humber goes my tool shed and we cut to him hosting it out I mean but even that is done with a lighter touch than outright yes saying the words violent diarrhea twice and then specifically saying

in the closet and in five years from this episode in the movie Homer will help a pig fill a silo with pig shit yeah i mean they're just they're keeping up with the current trend in comedy which is just like cum is flying everywhere shit is dripping from the walls yeah there's some pee floating around there's something about the pig shit silo though that feels somewhat even because it's so that just that just works for me in a way that this doesn't again it's like the whole vibe of this episode is just off for me about like what tonally the simpsons should be well i do think i mean talk about jokes that feel like family guy i do not like monkey trauma center

that i mean even the drawing looks like family guy like it's just like it's monkey cheese it's like oh monkeys that's funny i'm like yeah i mean but even the picture of it looks like oh this looks like something drawn on family guy but uh where's family guy at this point in its first season something like that uh it was just canceled for the second time just yeah for the second time family guys 99 yeah yeah but uh taxicab conversation so at the time when this first aired i was really annoyed because i thought they're doing a parody of this show? This show is old. And it was old, but it ran past this episode.

So it ran 11 seasons from 95 to 2006. And it's just like Cash Cab, except you don't win anything and it didn't kill anyone. And actually, Taxi Cab Confessions had been so old at that point that SNL did two sketches about it, one in 95 and one in 99. And yeah, there's a very funny one of those where Norm MacDonald is like, yeah, I need to get some cream for my genital warts. I have a big infection of genital warts. And the guy's like, do you want to sign this thing to be on Taxi Cab Confessions? Oh, of course. Yeah.

I also I just re-watched it i forgot that tim meadows has such a funny thing when he he goes like now that's a taxicab confession and then he like puts his hand to his mouth to like giggle i watched a bit of this like if obviously if your parents had uh prestige television and you were in the pre-internet pornography days these late night things it would be this and real sex back to back this is what hbo refuses to acknowledge now this is the smut that built their network and they won't show it to us anymore i remember watching taxicab confessions and yes you were always hoping and expecting it to be way more titillating than it actually was it was often more sad and just like a downer than anything like you really

expect it to be uh like soundtracked by that like late night jazz solo saxophone that you have like wandering in the detective wandering in the rain in a noir like that that's kind of the vibe that that show gives you it's it's not titillating at all and real sex also you're like well at least i'm gonna see a boob in this but no it's just like old people riding each other like horses yeah like disgusting old nudist colonies yes but i watch door-to-door dildo salesman yes i watched a clip of this on youtube and it brought me back because the cab driver is is too phonogenic to be a new york city cab driver and he is so obviously feeding them questions like he won't shut up and it does feel slightly

apparently it's because they did it in new york city in vegas because i i looked this up they were the only 24-hour cab towns in america with one party consent laws uh for recording but they would still get them to sign releases at the end but doesn't that feel kind of like in most cases it is a drunk person at two in the morning and they're like hey so that whole thing we just talked about is actually on tv you want to sign like that feels like spongy legality there i mean if they sign the contract that's why uh you know i'd say never sign a contract between midnight and 6 a.m say like come back to me in the morning yes just be thinking of those hbo like documentaries, I got an interesting tidbit, which is that

I was working with a documentarian for something I was doing for a website a long time ago. For somebody who made actually one of my favorite documentaries of all time, Keep the River on Your Right, A Tale of Modern Cannibalism, which is a very good doc about a guy who hitchhiked from New York to the Amazon in the 60s and gets lost and gets adopted by a tribe of cannibal Amazonians for a while. It's really interesting. And so I was talking to her about how she made this doc and she was like, yeah, I mean, I was part of a bunch of video artists in New York in the 90s. And, you know, we would try to like scrub together a bunch of any kind of funding we could get or like grants to make these documentaries but in between the thing that kept us alive and able to pay rent was if you weren't working on a project you could always go to the hbo office and they'd be like well uh do

you want to fly out and uh like film a real sex segment about these people who cover themselves in mud and then fuck uh well for for us and they'd be like yeah sure so like the people who made those real sex and like taxicab confession documentarians were largely downtown art documentary people uh in the 90s and that was just what was paying their bills i i remember liking them again as a closeted kid because i liked they would have at least like one or two gay people every one and who were talking in ways you don't get to see gay people like or queer people just live on TV like trans people, all that. I had forgotten until looking this up that there were other ones of like guys would get in the car and they would just say like they would just candidly be like talking about domestic abuse they committed or cops just going like, yeah, I killed that guy or whatever. And it's just it's it's shocking the and uh if folks

should read i won't go blow by blowing it but breed mel magazine and the writer c brian smith has a really great oral history on it oh okay cool and they talk about how much they hated working in vegas because they said that they they were told to go to vegas basically giuliani was pressuring hbo to take them out of new york so they we don't know you need your taxi smut uh dirtying up our clean street so so they go to vegas but their problem is in vegas they're like all the stories are either you have a stripper who will tell you a horrible story of a child abuse you will have a gambler telling you horrible stories of the degradation they go to as a as a gambler or you

will have a drunk couple who like fuck in the back seat and they were like it just gets so predictable like and lastly they i found it too because in that interview harry gantz one of the executive producers of the show praised this episode of simpsons he he said they got Taxi Cab Confessions because Homer is rewarded for his honesty instead of being punished for it, which is all they wanted in Taxi Cab Confessions. They just wanted people to see reality.

So you did win something sometimes. And yeah, hearing the commentary, I was vindicated. I thought, oh, it was an old pitch. The index card was yellowed with age. The Simpsons will be right back. The Rolling Stones guest star on the Simpsons season premiere.

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many young people of our generation you watch these things if your parents didn't pay for cinemax or showtime which had the more direct soft core pornography hbo was always like this is a documentary the veneer of respectability was on these it's not tv it's hbo it's nice it's classy they're not going to show the red shoe diaries you know i bet taxi cab confessions got a better time slot than mr show absolutely absolutely yeah but not mondays at midnight right oh god that monday they killed it why even do it anyway so yeah like we get to see taxi cab conversations lisa explains the entire premise of it which is great that marge goes like well that explains that so we have disco stew briefly complaining about how he's a one joke character

and he just lets it go like i i think his area does a great delivery of like it's just getting harder you know it's funny they completely sell him out here but he still has to be this goes through for 20 uh one more years at least it's nice to see that slight inflection when he has his guard down a little bit and he's not being quite as outgoing about it it's a nice little performance they should make edm stew edm ed that would be my character pitch for a background a 2023 background simpsons we need a grunge gus to show up grunge is older now that disco was when he first appeared isn't it see this is something that you know because there's what 20 years of simpsons episodes i've barely seen that i have to imagine that there's like a throwaway joke where you see disco stew's family reunion at

some point it's all these guys country carl you know i i can't say that didn't happen yeah freaky echo only goes so far so then homer appears in the cab also in that oral history they have an interview with the um indie filmmaker of the 90s guinevere turner she was in like one of the first episodes of taxi cab confession because they intentionally like we're like okay pick somebody coming out of a gay club then we can like she is embarrassingly she's gay stuff so she's a lesbian in her 20s who is you know she's drunk and she is lightly hitting on the taxi driver who is a straight woman but her earpiece is telling her like no don't tell her no like keep going with it see how far we can go and it's just like when you hear those details it's like one of your turner just laughs it off now but i was like

it feels kind of wrong i don't know name sounded familiar henry i looked it up it's because she's friends with kevin smith and joey lauren adams character in mall rats is named after her she's gwen turner that's right that's right yeah she was and she's also in uh chasing amy oh yeah she's friends with kevin smith and joey lauren adams character in mallrats is named after her she's gwen turner that's right that's right yeah she was and she's also in uh chasing amy oh yeah she's in the lesbo group that uh that biphobia is her out of the group and that no i think i as daddy mentioned it turner she mentioned that like she was sort of the sensitivity reader for kevin smith or he was like hey is is this okay and i think she regretted that i think she's like you know what i shouldn't have given him the the gay stamp of approval on this well now chasing amy is written into the stars because of her i i haven't kept up

with what she's been doing lately i you know she's in the same generation as todd haynes and he's got a brand new movie that's uh just got optioned by netflix with uh julianne moore and uh oh yeah i just yeah i just saw that called may december and Natalie. Oh, yeah. I just saw that. Called May, December. And it sounds interesting. Here's a couple other. It feels like there should be a third joke before you see Homer, like one other people in the car. Yeah.

Who else from Springfield would you want to see in Taxi Cab Confessions? Well, they cut a salacious scene from the script. Edna and Skinner are in the back seat yes henry thank you because in the credits marcia wallace is giving a special guest credit and i figure they cut one of her scenes and this is it that's it then yes wow that would make sense so edna and skinner in the back seat edna is trying to convince him to join the quarter mile club and then skinner says no skinner turns it down because agnes is also in the car with them so they're all at the rock concert at the end sitting together as well

so uh so yes homer then is revealed to be in the car he finds out that it's uh he has a crappy job because he's both a convict and a junkie i guess taxi i mean you live in new york city chris taxi drivers are still alive and well but around here in the bay area we don't interface with that much it's it really is just like lyft or uber yeah i mean molly and i were just talking about that where it's it's kind of there are still taxi drivers we largely use them mostly especially because we're in brooklyn and most of the taxis are still concentrated in manhattan so we usually when we take cars are are using ride shares. But there is something, there is a particular kind of driving style that still only exists with the taxi drivers, which we would call, we call the all or nothing, which is you either pedal on the metal or screeching to a halt,

braking, driving, which, you know, I hope this doesn't blow up her spot too much, which tends to make Molly a little bit nauseous in the long cab rides back from the uh the airport oh no that get the the two times i visited manhattan i was like oh god these start and stop we were in one of those together that's right yeah it is to see the debut of the nintendo switch it is it feels like that they believe if i go as hard as i can as soon as I can and don't stop until the very last second, I will get more distance in. But I don't know if I followed that method of driving. We really should have just walked to 30 Rock that day instead of taking a much longer cab ride for 10 blocks. But hey, we're not New Yorkers.

Homer first says all these nice things drunkenly about his family. They're all throwing compliments on him, which lets you know shoes about to drop. And then we get to hear the real Homer Simpson. You could see this joke coming or this turn coming from from a mile away. Absolutely. I had no idea, dad. I just assume with all the stranglings, you know, my family isn't the center of my universe. Are you nuts? Then there's those other days where you just

wish you never got married or had kids. One minute you're a carefree teenager with dreams of being a rock star or a photographer for Playboy, then bam, some babe gets her claws in ya. Huh? And boom, you got a bunch of kids that always needs love. So whammo, you get stuck in some boring job where they don't let you play guitar or take pictures of naked women, and all you can do is watch yourself get bald and fat and kiss your dreams goodbye.

Oh, I can't believe they took Monkey Trauma Center off with this. It's a bizarre act break for this episode. Very weird line, yeah. I mean, I like Homer finally letting loose but i mean we know he hates his family if that's that's how they write him the most of the time i'm just gotta go to all those museums and plays in which he never yeah but this we talked about before in that episode with uh make room for lisa they want to have a both ways where homer is like a mean jerk who never does things with lisa but then when lisa like in this episode wants to say you actually do stuff with me dad it's like wait but the plot was he

doesn't do things like this does correctly identify that the group of people who will go to a rock camp are guys who believe they could have been a rock star yes yeah see they nail it completely for me the utility of a adult male rock camp would be and this is the thing that i would look for if i was to be doing this uh just access to gear that i didn't have to deal with for like uh a week you know i mean obviously if there was like a a rock star there or a musician that i respected that would be a plus but what i would really want from it is just a place that a bunch of drum sets and amps and guitars always like the infrastructure to go I could just jam at and then not worry about basically

not worry about putting away my toys afterwards and just be like this was great uh you guys deal with the rest of this I'm gonna go to the uh the cafeteria get get some sandwich and I'll be back for uh evening jam at uh let's say 7 30 your rock star dream is just roadies. Yes, basically. Is that not the rock star dream, to just have access to all this stuff and then just go get to play? I mean, obviously, the other dream is fame and fortune and adoration from people,

but if you're a tech guy like me, I want the gear. Give me the gear and not have to have the responsibility. Also, with Homer's rock star dreams, remember, Homer is a Grammy-winning number one songwriter as well that was one of my major oh yeah that was one of my major notes about this episode is that like obviously they have to like homer's lifelong aspirations are like a running joke and if it and like for whatever the plot of the episode is he always has to be like oh you know i always wanted to be blank

blank blank uh and that is obviously something they play with a lot and is usually you're able to yell like okay fine whatever it's it's just for this episode homer's relationship with music is always a lot weirder for me and feels a lot more off like especially because there's the b sharp things in the past but whenever homer is like naturally in character singing something it's like i don't know like a billy joel song or something that he's loudly singing off key for him to suddenly be like, oh, I really I've always loved these specific rock bands feels more out of character than him saying, oh, I've always wanted to be a rock star. Yeah. Well, now, though, today, the wanting to take pictures of naked people has never been more democratized. Like I see many people online are like oh this photo was taken by this person or at this like you you can shop yourself around for

taking nude photos of people uh if you if you got some talent this is just making me think if and when the phrase only fans will ever be said on simpsons i think they have made up a fake thing that's like only fans in the show i think that has happened in the last i think you're right yeah wow now they uh but this is also uh what a decade before marge will appear in playboy i think it's 2009 maybe 2008 so less than a decade yeah she's clothed though yes yeah tasteful yeah that makes it better as scully said i get it why he didn't like this pitch for the longest time because he's like well then you just spend the rest of the episode with homer apologizing to his family but that's because it's the logical thing homer was an asshole and should

apologize to them and humiliate them yeah well i feel like there are a bunch of i mean again again you know the show changes the show evolves but i feel like there are a bunch of classic episodes where the overall emotional arc is homer fucks up in some esoteric way in the first act and then spends the next two acts finding some esoteric way to apologize that leads to wacky adventure adventures but in this case they uh they pivot and like you know what no homer gets a gift for this it's kind of good they didn't because i'm remembering they they just did two apu episodes in which he fucks up in the first act and then he spends the rest of the episode trying to make it up to manjula that's true yeah this uh it's it's more the aljean thing of a it's about the wife demonizing the husband and forcing

apologies for forget that's all they want isn't it and it's like and all up who did was cheat on her many times behind her back oh they gotta apologize for that now these women i tell you i forgot that that was an apu arc but yeah they so it comes back from commercial break homer is still unconscious and talking shit about his family which i like to imagine for two minutes on screen in taxi cab conversations homer's just been unconscious though this this does have the dig of like oh reality programming replacing written programming like which yeah what's the concern then they mentioned uh it will not be seen tonight in exchange here's a much cheaper program which again is something that's

happening via the strike we're trying to fight back against that been basically the same my entire life of uh observing tv well i mean reality is never going away like it's uh it just becomes new permutations it is funny again that you just say that it's like again 2002 and they're dusting off this old taxicab confessions pitch which is like very version 1.0 of reality tv is like in the same vein as like real world and stuff but by this time it would be a much more resonant pitch if he was like on the the second or third season of The Bachelor or something like that. That would be coming out right around now. Yeah, Survivor, American Idol.

Wait, does Homer ever go on Survivor? Now, these are the things that I like coming on the show because it makes me consider things like that that I'm like, that must have happened. Well, Chris, there's an episode they produced earlier but airs later called helter shelter where they're all on a reality show okay oh yeah the uh the one it's the i forget what the one they're ripping off is but the reality shows are like you have to go back to live like you're in the 1800s or whatever yes okay yeah like that that feels very uh kid nation and in a few years all right kid nation good and and in a few years i believe right, Kid Nation. And in a few years, I believe, is when Moe becomes a judge on American Idol. All right. We should just skip right to the rock camp, though.

That's where the meat of the material is. Okay. So, well, I do want to say I like how Homer describes marriage as a coffin and children as another nail. But as coffins go. As coffins go. And Lisa's just like, oh, please. Lousy family. So, I'm just some babe who sank her claws into you.

A hot babe? Oh! Have you always resented us, Dad? Oh, I don't resent you, sweetheart. What I was trying to say, and maybe I didn't use the right words, was that marriage is like a coffin and each kid is another nail but it's coffins go please don't say anymore sorry we ruined your life homer they pick up homer from work i like how marge pounds her fist into her thing they are all

trying to scare the shit out of homer here speaking in ways you never would uh to say this but yes they drop him off. They all say like, oh, we feel bad. We ruined your dreams, which is an insane thing to say. It's a really bizarre scene. It's, you know, the one thing that you can say about The Simpsons is like all the voice acting is so good that they like sell almost every premise. But I feel like even in that scene, you can kind of feel Marge and the kids being like, we really have to make this turn work. That's why at least Homer says, like,

that's what I've been saying. Get out of the car, Homer. You can't just leave me out here. There's not another woman for miles. Sorry, Dad. Maybe now you'll appreciate us while you're spending the week at Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp.

The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. But I thought you guys were mad at me. For once in my life, I'm confused. We had a family meeting and decided that even though what you said about us was incredibly thoughtless and hurtful, you had a point. Damn straight. You work a job you don't like, so I'm able to be home with the kids. And you take me places you hate, like museums, plays, and the Olive Garden. And even though you knew I ratted you out to the IRS, you never busted me on it.

You what? So to say thank you for all your sacrifices, we spent our family vacation fund on something that's just for you. Do you like it? You guys are the best. I love you. I love you. I love you.

I'm okay. I love you. I love you. I love you. But yes, it is revealed that he is going to Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp, which is based on a real thing. I watched, I skipped through, there's a Rock Camp documentary, documentary in quotes. Commercial. there's a rock camp documentary documentary in quotes commercial it's a commercial it's a 90-minute commercial but you watch it on youtube scully is interviewed for it

talks about this episode the guy who runs rock camp is very clear of like the simpsons made us a lot of money like people this was basically an ad for rock camp yeah and if you wanted to go to the upcoming rock camp in about a month in new york city it's a weekend it's thursday to sunday five thousand dollars and that's just for the regular ticket but pete best will be there yeah the peep the headliners are pete best daryl jones of the rolling stones and tom hamilton of aerosmith now why does he have more time on his hands lately? I'm wondering. And actually, not to get too dark, I wanted to ask Chris.

I mean, certain statutes of limitations have been expired, which is why Stephen Tyler's in hot water. I wonder these aging rock stars are thinking like, nobody told us we'd be arrested later. I mean, yeah, I have no idea. I'm sure that there are a lot of guys in that generation who either explicitly are worried about it or somewhere in their subconscious are kind of just gambling like, you know, I hope I die before stuff have been like really really looked into but I'm imagining that there's a number of those guys who are like I just let me just slip out the door before somebody makes too much too much hay about some of these things yeah I mean I love David Bowie great performer we know facts about his life uh he died before me too and maybe that was a good choice yeah well also like all these rockers uh the steven tyler one it is it includes on the record things he said in a tell-all in his autobiography all these guys made their you know odds they're like our 90s they're like oh i'm gonna brag about all the times i've had sex with children with children yes not a good move i do like under

their uh rock star counselors for the rock and roll fantasy camp uh the first one i i don't know none of these names look familiar to me but the first one is listed as jimmy vivino and his credit is conan o'brien i guess he's part of the conan o'brien band he took over after max weinberg left okay he's uh yeah jimmy vivino it was still called jimmy vivino and the Max Weinberg 7, I think. But yes. Well, I guess they probably did that intentionally as a joke. But still, I just think it's not necessarily a good sign for when you're a rock and roll

fantasy camp when the first build rock band is Conan O'Brien. Okay. This is the dark secret of rock camp that I wonder how sustainable it is because if you were a rock star before 1985 even which is mostly what they're pulling from you're very old or dead and you're they're losing more and more of these people it doesn't have the same prestige if you're like an after hair metal i mean even hair metal guys it's like but also they're pricing out like they need to get there's a guy in that fucking dock who says you know my job may be Motorola executive, but I'm a rock star.

And I was like, I hate you. But that's who they're going for. That's who has $5,000. They should get that Chase, the guy who's like a Chase Bank CEO who DJs to do DJ lessons there. Well, doesn't the guy who owns Madison Square Garden have a band he constantly books in there? Like, is that something too? There's a lot of execs thinks they're rockstar it's david solomon who's a goldman sax uh exec and also dj's under the name uh dj d soul or just david solomon

so like i'm also seeing that they do uh corporate events so i'm sure you could hire a guy from white snake to play music while you do Trust Falls. But like the bassist, not the lead singer. No, no, not the lead singer. He's at the camp. Again, I think that the rock, they're leaning too much in on the rock star or name fantasy of it. And you should just be like,

this is a place where you can come and we will like help you like play rock music. And maybe, you know, one night we'll get like some C-list rock guy to come in and like tell some stories or whatever but it's mainly about the the the play in the music and you don't get my you don't get the front man at it like you do in the show yeah you you get the bassist you get the the rhythm guitarist yeah but yes this is where we get mick jagger and keith richards they recorded separately and they tell a funny story that Mick records with

Hank Azaria first pretending to be Keith Richards and Mick's opinion is that he thought Hank Azaria's Keith Richards wasn't perfect and then then Keith Richards comes in and they're playing the audio back to him of Mick with Hank so he knows where to say things. Keithards thinks he he's like wait do we record this already is this wait that's me uh they also say that he is constantly reading his stage directions when he's acting it's like looks over a tree kevin yes he's doing the uh kevin sorbo disappointed have you guys ever seen that clip yes it's a classic yeah it's that's basically homer saying i'm so despondent in this episode but and yeah i mean mick and keith they're a funny combo and mick is like he can actually act like he was anybody who's watched the burden of dreams

documentary knows that he was originally the lead of fitzcarraldo henry we've all seen free jack you don't need to tell me he's a good actor. Oh, God, Freejack. They were just talking about that on Movie Mindset. But Mick and Keith here, welcome everybody to the camp. Hello, campers. How you doing? Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. It's Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.

Ah! Welcome to Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp, where you'll experience the complete rock and roll lifestyle without the lawsuits and STDs. Woo! STDs! Now you're all here for one reason. To rock! Who said that?

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Rule number two, no outside food. Ah, what a... Hey, Mick. You gonna teach us your cocksure strut? Not today. I've got a ton of paperwork to catch up on ah tell me about it at my job oh oh you're gone now you see all these little sketches are

funny divorced from the idea of telling a story yeah i like wiggum trying to buddy up with mick and then mick just ghosting him he's just like no yeah you haven't paid enough for me to give you all my free time i also say that the simpsonification the drawings of uh micking key keith's looks like his the mick one i think looks like the simpsons version of leonard nimoy i this is back when we're making these caricatures still kind of grotesque i think it'd be much more flattering today but i just like how ghoulish they both look. Yeah. Yes. In general, though,

they're not feeling their exact. I also feel like Mick Jagger has kept himself like very thin, but he is so muscly in this too. I was like, yeah, I was, I was, when they show him in like the,

his dance class or whatever, they, they're, they have him with like the Rainier Wolf castle body. Yeah. Yeah. It's too, I mean, at least with Richardard it seems like he's much more like oh yeah you can make fun of how i look like just make fun of me being i mean it's been 20 years 21 years since this episode and we're tempting fate saying this but yes that he's made it to 2023 since then they didn't think like

they're joking 21 years ago like keith richards he's gotta die soon right i mean they're as old as joe biden they're the same age basically i do like that they let uh keith richards smoke in in this episode and when they were filming uh when they were recording him too they didn't have ashtrays so they had to hand him a fruit bowl for him to ash into and he's holding a giant fruit bowl the whole time i mean he was naturally smoking while recording but he also wanted to do all of his own smoke fully too it's good smoke fully it's good it's funny hearing him say who said that and then also that's right auto yes keith richards knows auto yes they're not wearing name tags or anything yes it makes sense that auto would be there and actually apu as well he does have a classic rock love well because he uh he's uh washing his car

cheap trick for instance or yeah they don't do a lot of jokes about the characters themselves at the camp and i feel like they really missed out by having uh kirk van houten not have a lot of jokes here yeah i mean they do this often where it's just like whatever generic selection of of the adult male simpsons extras but i i feel like there could have been a few more who was actually who he at this camp but instead they threw out a wide net to whatever rock stars they could get and they're like well if they said yes they have to be in the show so we're making space for them so yeah i mean yeah the collection of rock stars does feel very much of like who said yes but yeah again it's like it's also like they don't go fully just classic rock guys which would make sense like if it was just keith richards

mcjagger elvis costello tom petty like that is one category and you throw in lenny kravitz and also like okay he has like the most classic rock vibe of any of the 2002 era rock guys i guess and then brian setzer and you're like okay so it's just whoever answered the phone yes yeah they you can tell they don't care about brian setzer because they don't even play any of his music in it everybody else gets at least a needle drop of their song but starting with start me up uh and then and they all get woken up by richard screaming at them and then homer is accidentally takes pills which is they're only like rock stars do drug jokes in the episode we then cut to elvis costello we're hearing pump it up play so i think everybody had a deal of like if if we're in the show, you license one of our

songs and we get a paycheck for money in the bank. Yeah. So, and, and Chris, I'm curious, you know, in your rock experience, does everybody just want to be the front man or guitarist or are there types of, are there guys like, no, I want to be drums. I want to be bass. Oh yeah, absolutely. I think that those drums and bass are definitely like big personality types.

And I feel like the people who are drawn to them would absolutely want to do that even divorce of like can you play guitar or can you sing or whatever i'm not a lot of people myself included have wanted to be in bands where i'm like i want to work on the music part of it i need somebody else to sing and be at the center because i cannot do that do that nor do i want to i want to focus on i don't know just like working on the overall sound direction and doing that from the spot of say bassist you know what if everybody else at the at the instrument line was picking up a guitar i would be like i don't want to be the 17th guitarist of this band give me the bass i will uh hold it down on the low end or again because i don't have access to

a drum kit give me some sticks i'd like to get behind the drums that's what i would be paying for this camp for when my friends had bands in my late teens early 20s the guy with the most power was the drummer because he's like well he actually has the drum set and can come here and do yes that is you know i've talked to people in like the new york music scene and it's like your stock as a necessary guy is way up as a drummer to the fact that I've talked to people that said it's basically a running joke in any given music scene that any given drummer is technically a member of like 14 bands. Because they're just like, it's the more unique skill and you've got to have a lot of gear. So you're in high demand. Though everybody wanting to have the guitar does pay off in their hound dog performance later because it's everybody's on lead guitar on the stage too i enjoyed the sound

guitar the sound design for that because it did sound appropriately competent but also shitty like seven like seven guys trying to play hound dog at once and costello's image is destroyed by losing his hat and glasses it's all he's got i chris when you mentioned these like rock stars you got to see before they die basically kind of deal that that is why i finally went and saw elton john i was like you know you can't count on this you can't count on this his tour and i would have liked to go to that i would have liked to see his rumba piano uh going around the stage all the costume changes i just never quite lined up like when his tour was coming and what my schedule was going to be like but i'm sure that was a great show

it was it was a good two hours and yes he uh there were a couple times where he did like stand up and take a few steps around the stage just to prove he could i think he's just like i know you've seen me move around on an elevator a bunch gesturing at his legs going huh he actually did like stand up and flex his arms one time like that's right but i mean he sang all night he took like a 10 minute break in the middle but he sang all night and it was a good time and you know what elton john a bunch of good songs i'm sure it was just like nothing but hits for like two hours it was it was great so then we go to uh nepo baby and nepo baby creator lenny kravitz uh i forget that he's the son of an actress who was on the jeffersons for like a decade oh wow

yeah who's uh al roker's uh cousin as well so as far as i know he has two songs and i have not investigated further if you hear one of them uh and like are you good are you gonna go my way uh an american woman oh so there's three because there's fly away oh fly away okay yes three songs and you know what they made him 90 billion dollars it doesn't matter yeah oh my god like kravitz in 2002 unavoidable he was kind of everywhere it's funny in the promotional package he says he wanted to do the show because it would impress his daughter who uh his his young teen daughter and yes that is zoe kravitz he's talking about um it's very funny that his like one bit on the show

is it or at least it was entertaining me in retrospect that is one bit on the show is whether he uh stuffs his junk to appear to have a larger package on stage when and now i would say one of his biggest pop culture legacies is both uh the one amazing paparazzi pic where he's wearing a gigantic scarf and then two, of course, him busting open his leather pants on stage and his dong falling out right in somebody's face. So he has a legacy of crotch jokes around Lenny Kravitz. Bob had not heard of this. I had heard of this, his penis exploding.

Did you see the pictures you know now it feels wrong to look at it but yes I saw it when it was new he I mean he he doesn't tell people not to look at he kind of laughs it off I've seen don't look directly at it but you got to see his his pierced member and no no uh stuffing fell out when he did basically he was in Sweden in 2015 he's singing the song fly away he is wearing tight leather pants and he does a deep lunge while singing the song and the the inseam just couldn't take it any longer and just kabam all out there we saw what lisa bonet is missing out on these days so you know what i would be personally more embarrassed about splitting my pants in front

of a bunch of people than a bunch of people seeing my dong it's also funny to know like oh who are they not afraid of pissing off kenny loggins like we don't give a shit about kenny loggins if he's mad we'll make fun of him like doesn't care but i wonder if they had other ones and like lenny kravitz like i'm not making fun of that guy but then it's like yeah kenny loggins i'll make fun of kenny loggins they presented with a list of options i felt so old finding out that giant scarf photo was from 2012. I thought it was a more recent picture, by the way, when I looked it up. The clothes you wear on stage should be a defiant statement of individuality. Like this, Mr. Kravitz?

God, no. May we talk about accentuating the masculine area? Did you hear that, people? Apu asked about crotch stuffing. Now, I don't do it. Kenny Loggins does. I trusted you! Now, a guitar has many, many nicknames. An axe, a gitbox. Well, I guess that's it. Anyway, we're going to start with the fundamentals. Playing a burning guitar with your teeth. Hooray! Hire!

Mr. Seltzer? Setzer. No, I think it's Seltzer. What is it, Homer? I came up with a stage move I feel is very cool. Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep! We've got to start using a cheaper oatmeal simpson this is where there's the only though sorry there's two deleted scenes on the dvd

and this one is homer does the stuffing wrong because he stuffs the back of his pants to give him a gigantic ass which uh honestly that's what it's more about ass than than bulges these days anyway on stage so it'd be more fashionable in 2023 than uh in uh 2002 uh next up a quick scene with brian seltzer uh and i i think that's how it's pretty sure it's seltzer yeah pretty sure uh and he says he's gonna teach homer how to play a burning guitar with his teeth which he does at the at the concert so he learned i has has brian sensor ever played guitar that aggressively no way right i don't think he'd be the guy i'd go to about that i mean even he admits like yeah look there's nothing to teach here like but yeah so homer shows off his move of

spinning his guitar over his head while still attached to the cord it flies through the air and hearing mick jagger say we've got to start using a cheaper oatmeal that's that's the funniest line to me and what they've made them say uh i like that they have uh mick jagger's uh degree from the london school of economics hanging on the wall behind him. That's great, too. And him saying, Simpsons! See, again, this is where I want the episode to go, is that this is where the more natural conflict that keeps it at the rock camp,

keeps doing rock and roll jokes. You can have a cathartic moment where you get to have the Rolling Stones be like, oh, thanks, homo. We had really forgot what the spirit of rock and roll is. It's about rebellion, instead of wherever this episode goes i don't know here's the inflection point they're really setting up a third act that doesn't happen yeah instead the next scene we see with mick is a quick bit here of mick teaching guys how to dance like mick jagger which is his posing when he

says or stds like he has his little hand crooked behind him like it is very much the the parody we all see in our head of sassy mick jagger animators working very hard on this episode this dance scene has about 20 moving characters at once all dancing in sync sorry chris uh yeah i was just saying that they get they've managed to get across a lot of that jagger physicality in this. Everybody's naughty and freeze finish. Ow. And no matter where you are, always say it's the wildest town in the whole damn world. So when you said it in Springfield

last year, you didn't mean it? Yeah, sure I did. But only because Springfield really is the wildest town in the whole damn world. Yes, I knew it. Springfield! I like that little inflection on, yeah, sure, I did.

Good read from Mick there. Originally, they were going to use the song You Got Me Rockin', but instead they went with She's So Cold, which that seems like a deeper, more recent cut anyway for them. If you look at the music video, Mick is very sassy in it.

So if you're looking for sassy Mick dancing, that's the one to go to i feel like if i uh if i was in this position my stipulation would be like you have to buy one of my songs and it has to be one of my b besides that never gets purchased maybe one with the most favorable licensing rights to mix side of things yeah i wish they had done the dancing in the streets song though too yes of course that's that's the height of mick sassy dancing to me. It's one of the gayest things ever, honestly. In a good way. I also love how he calls it school marm.

That's the little thing-a-wag there. Henry, I presume you've seen the edit of the Dancing in the Street video where it's just all replaced by Foley sound effects, no music. Oh, no, I haven't seen this. I've got to look this up. Yeah's it's just like what it would like it sound like if you were just hearing them like breathing and their feet moving as they do it i'll send it to you after this it's very funny i'm checking that out the this last time watching i was like oh wait louis the mobster is there yes uh very notable uh tony soprano loves classic rock so you know what that that seems reasonable or

believable to me like I could imagine you could imagine as you're like reading a list of like seized assets from like a mob bust it'd be like and he had like two of Bruce Springsteen's concert guitars or something like that you know yeah Tony Soprano probably like 40 years old in 2002 right I'm guessing so Tom Pet, he's great in this. He would fall in love with voice acting. In 2004, he starts playing Lucky on King of the Hill, a character who is not a regular. And then he becomes a regular in a move that should ruin the show. But Tom Petty is so good, it doesn't ruin King of the Hill.

And he loved doing that character. It's funny because I don't... Petty's okay here. I still think mick and keith are the best at the vocal performance i do like the joke that they gave him in his little like lyrics writing thing of him like trying to wedge in advocacy for public schools into a song about a rocking chick driving down the street his performance is lucky is great and it also i guess really helps as you say it should break the king the Hill, but the lucky character is just so good.

He's such a likable guy. Even as a total dirtbag. It's, I mean, him always saying, like, I slipped in pee-pee. It's always funny to hear. This, like, optimistic Pollyanna-ish dirtbag. Yes, exactly. Who's living off an ancient lawsuit. It's a great character.

I love how Homer says rock stars are supposed to be about drinking and being drunk and boozing it up. Lyrics are the hardest part of songwriting. But when you come up with something meaningful and heartfelt. Boring. Will you stop saying that? And also, Petty is right. Homer says boring way too much. He needs to calm it down.

He won those in episodes. But yes, he cares so much about public schools, you will see it written on the side of his car later in the episode was that a tom petty advocacy thing you know i looked it up and he was a very progressive guy even going so far as to apologize for his use of the confederate flag in the 80s but i didn't see public schools being one of his key issues i think they just found the most generic uh safe thing to do yeah well that joke gets three three beats so and uh so yes we then go to a bit of keith showing them how to escape from the paparazzi and he jokes about having to be in great shape while smoking and again i mean he's 79 now it's working for him maybe cigarettes don't kill you maybe they make you stronger

let's investigate. I'm sure he's on that French-style living where it's like, yes, you get to smoke six packs of cigarettes a day, but you also are eating only fresh market food and whatever. I heard Jagger talk about his diet and how he stays in shape with that kind of lifestyle forever. And it's like, yeah, it's just like eating very little and all of it extremely fresh. Like nothing processed ever. As long as you're rich,

that sounds like a pretty easy diet. Other people make it for you too. It's great. Yes, exactly. When it just arrives in your hotel room every morning. Wow. The exact amount of food

that I need to eat to keep myself happy and fit. It just shows up. Yeah, sure. I can do this diet. Getting away from the gig can be a matter of life and fit. It just shows up. Yeah, sure, I can do this diet. Getting away from the gig can be a matter of life and death. So you've got to be in great physical shape.

Okay, follow me. Paparazzi to the left. I got him. I'm entitled to a private life. I'm not a role model and so forth good homer now just pass the groupies and we're on i love you please sleep with us the bloody cardboard we know and so uh everything leads to their big performance after they make out with a bunch of fake women. The bloody cardboard.

We know. Then they all sing Hound Dog at the same time, all horribly. I feel like that's a great joke about Rock Camp. Performers have to pretend they think you're good at playing music because you spent all that money. Yes. Yeah, that's great yeah and uh homer dives off the stage and crushes everybody uh and this is when again i'm like homer you're an asshole in this scene like this he's he's told well we paid we paid for an entire week of this thing he's like no i don't want it to end and he

is a total dick starts crying childish yeah like he's ungrateful in the face kicks i did love i did love tom petty when marge says it's time to come home homer tom petty goes your mother's right homer i mean the homer looks much older than marge yeah oh and i animation wise the impossibility of tom petty turning his acoustic guitar over to the opposite side that's electric that's a good ridiculous joke well i feel like there's one notable thing missing in that when the rock stars all leave and elvis costello yanks the guitar out of homer's hands he doesn't say yoink he should say that's a miss of all the times to say yoink that was one of them i'm sorry folks the one of the

only other things costello says on that commentary secret track he complains that back in the day it was hard for him to watch simpson stuff in the uk because it aired very sporadically thank you thanks elvis maybe they sent him a bunch of free copies then after this. Also, this commentary, because all the Keith Richards appearance in it, they can't stop mentioning Pirates of the Caribbean in it too. Oh, when was this recorded? Because that would have been significantly later. The commentary is like 2011.

Yeah. Okay. But he's in one of those, but Johnny Depp is him, right? Yeah, yeah. He plays Johnny Depp's father in the third one? I forget. Yeah, I believe it's the third one. And they're threatening to give us a seventh one of those

or a sixth one or something? I mean, look, I don't know what the standard line is in pop culture right now, but the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies are very entertaining. I'd be down for it if they can recast it and if they can put it put something together that's not that doesn't involve uh mr depp anymore i'm fine for a wacky pirate adventure movie that's a genre that i'm always happy to see i remember really liking the first one the second one and then i i only watched

the fourth one on a plane just to see elsewhere in himself is is one of the leads yeah he's the lead villain everybody abandons homer he doesn't want it to end again he's being an asshole he's kicking bart in the face well what do you think uh you rock homer really you really think i'm better than you that was great homie what the hell are you doing here? Camp is over, Homer. It's been a week already? I'm glad you had fun, but it's time to come home. Your mother's right, Homer.

Gotta get back to the real world. Yeah, we've all got to get home. My lawn's not gonna mow itself. And I've got to put up the storm windows. Winter's coming. Wait, don't go! I'm gonna keep on rocking! Come on, won i'll take that it came with a pick uh and then he says like uh my dreams have shattered into shards of a broken dream. So then Homer is told it's only rock and roll camp, but I like it.

Get it? It's the song. That's a groaner for me. Then as soon as they make it up to Homer, he immediately pushes it, pushes his luck when he says, oh, for serious, can I have 40 guest passes? And they give it to him. He gets all access. This does seem to be them kissing the rock star's asses a little bit.

Oh, how nice. They're staying in town to do a benefit for charity. And then they do a benefit for the victims of the last charity concert later at the end. These rock stars are so nice. I mean, Chris, so you've been to more festivals than us and even arranged a festival or two. Yes, yes. How are all-access passes treated in that world?

I mean, I have been blessed with an all-access pass, I think, twice in my life. And it really is, one was for a show at Barclays. And, like, you can just flash that thing and get into the bowels of Barclays. They really do get you pretty far. I don't think that I could cut in line to the bathroom. I don't think that I could get free food. Although, if you get to the artist holding space with the access pass, then there is just free food there. So Homer's just going about it the wrong way.

You didn't drool, though. You kept it cool. I just had a VIP pass at PAX last year, and all I got to do was go into my room before my panel started. That was essentially all my access. We need to get up to all access. Yeah, all the VIP pass does is get the guards to side-eye you slightly less. So Homer gets those 40 guest passes.

They head over there. Homer cuts in line, goes into the women's bathroom where they all seem to be turned on to know that he has all access by the way mike scully is behind auto i don't know who this large bald man is though i will credit that guy 3002 for identifying him so the two there's another guy who looks like he's some guy they're both the re-recording mixers for the simpsons thank god they showed up yes it's bill freesh and r russell smith that's who that guy identifies him as so scully has been on the show before you can see his family being chased by rhinos i think in screaming yellow honkers yes

yeah he's he put himself in more than most of the showrunners i i mean honestly i'm shocked that there aren't screaming girls in this that sound like his daughter. We'd get in parts. But yeah, so Homer gets everybody free tickets in the original script. He also gets free tickets to Abe, comic book guy, Krusty, and technically Flanders. But then Flanders says to him, like, you made me pay. So that's a good joke. Flanders is here at the end, though, right? Yeah.

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And after the show, you can come backstage for pizza and pop. Now that's a winning combination. Here you go. Front and center. I'm so proud of you homie it's like you're kid rock and i'm pamela anderson lee rock better run enjoy the show i love how march says it's like you're kid rock and i'm pamela anderson lee rock who at this time she is in her tumultuous on again off again relationship with kid rock

she won't marry him until five years later though yeah but it was like an engagement thing also but around this time was when it went public that uh pamela anderson lee or pamela anderson had hepatitis c people oh god i remember that right and people thought it was from kid rock but she said it was actually from sharing a tattoo needle with tommy lee both seem very plausible either seems plausible to me also when i looked into pamela anderson's personal life page on wikipedia and all these fun memories of her with kid rock and tommy lee there's uh domestic uh situations that are like oh that's bad like we we shouldn't have all laughed at that but the earlys, early 2000s, a real minefield for things that were treated, press things, celeb memories that were treated as a wacky joke

that you then go back and try to reveal some of the details from your mind and was like, oh, wait, that was actually really, really dark. Yeah, mostly thinking in a Nicole Smith, right? Oh, God, yeah. Is there a new doc about her? I should watch that. I think there is, yeah. But it was always like MTV News comes on and and being like the celebs are at it again blank just filed for a

domestic abuse charge against their partner right yeah god and this silly goose just overdosed yeah this is her floating in the ocean uh i forget that pamela anderson is also a vancouver native i forget that's a canadian treasure i speak from truth that the most beautiful women come from vancouver and uh so yes we then go backstage homer is making his kids hold up a sign lisa's holding up a sign that says dad rocks so homer heads backstage as they're playing around with the giant devil head and he finds out that he is just gonna say test test he is not and the way mick jagger enunciates test test that's real good i chris you have experience with with testing microphones do you think he had good technique there i mean here's the thing and i i would be curious to talk to other roadies about this because i came into this thing you know sideways into podcasting and then from there setting up

live shows from the world of podcasts when i'm doing mic checks and stuff i'm just saying stuff that i also saw on tv and movies people say during mic checks like check one two check one two mic one mic one you know just like i have no idea if there's something i'm supposed to be saying when i'm up there doing the mic check but so far no uh soundboard guy has said anything about it. So I'm just going to go with whatever I've seen in movies. Sibilance. Sibilance. We all learned it from Wayne's World sketches. Yes, exactly.

Well, when Homer asked, can't you do it? They're shocked. And that's an ad lib by Dan Castellaneta to break the ice when recording with Mick Jagger. He laughed so hard they kept it in the show because no one had asked them that for like 40 years probably. So great. Yeah. To suggest like, can't you rock stars do the thing erode does that it's also funny homer says oh this doesn't say guitar hero which this is before that's a big video game they're not not too long before i would say the only reason anybody under 30 or under 35 knows classic rock songs it's because they played guitar hero it certainly was even though i fancied myself

a burgeoning rock music snob and aficionado in the indie scene that certainly was the introduction to a lot of really great classic rock songs to me and and by virtue of playing them a billion times like developing a a an enduring love or passion for them like i, I don't know, Boston's a foreplay long time. I can't imagine more than a feeling without seeing the Highway of Notes. Yeah. From playing it. Or, like, wasn't Highway Star, I think, is another one?

Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, Deep Purple. No, it's crazy that back then, the rock stars, some were complaining of, like, that's not, learn to play a real instrument. It's like, this is the only reason you are culturally relevant to anybody young is thanks to these video games. And the songs really did, in the nature of the game, like made them feel important and epic in a way that just like hearing them on the background of FM radio wouldn't.

And I really do think that it like helps endear them as like, no, these aren't just like some old rock song. This is like a legendary track that you have to master to become you know like whatever that and around the same time when grand theft auto was really going ham on the radio in in grand theft auto starting with vice city the grand theft auto vice city soundtrack was a major inflection point in my appreciation of popular popular music and an understanding of what the body of music from like the 80s was rather than just like the holdover of whatever was on rock radio. That game is new when this episode comes out too. Yeah, actually.

Yeah, this is November 02. So it's about like it just came out, man. Yeah. So I would have been forcing myself to take a break from playing Vice City to watch and be unimpressed with this episode and then go back to playing Vice city on a sunday night before uh getting my last gaming before school on monday so homer sadly takes the stage and he's gonna play his role as roadie but he can't he can't help himself and actually if you listen to this clip homer did learn how to play the guitar a little bit here look there's! I'm his groupie.

Am I saying that right? Groupie? Yeah! Yeah! Homer! You're the man, Homer! You're the man! You're the man! Let's go! Test. Test. Why is he performing the duties of a roadie?

Am I saying that right? Roadie? Test. Test. check, check. Hey, he's not rocking out at all. Test. Test, test, you're testing my love for you. Check, check, you're checking to see if I'm true. Test one, test two, test three, test four. You test me like the water in El Salvador. Woo, El Salvador. El Salvador, man. What's all this then? you know we we just covered the spinal tap episode recently a month or two ago and it

is distracting to see another giant satan yeah you're right yeah they're not stealing from anything it's just like oh they did that but this one works it's not half inflated it actually well this that's the difference between their roadies and spinal taps i guess yeah i like hearing keith richard say like a stuffy old british guy what's all this says that's pretty funny uh it then crashes and seems to cause a fire indoors four months after this is the station nightclub fire from great white oh no time so it's uh did simpsons predict it no no i'm not kidding you know you should have thrown that in for your uh your matt chrisman live show we'll update we've found a few that we're like ah we can we can do this again it would have been hit to make jokes atan live show we'll update we've found a few that we're like ah we can we can do this again

it would have been hit to make jokes at a live show about people dying at a live show i mean i don't want to be too flippant about that but i am absolutely positive that we have referenced that event multiple times during chapo live shows uh you go there and i also love marge's delivery he's performing the function the duties of a roadie but yes they say it's good to see a spectacle back in rock and roll i felt that at elton john show i was like this feels like a spectacle i love this this actually feels big like i actually paid for something it feels big tom petty at some point loses his toe during this it never gets it back canonically in this world no toe uh it doesn't matter now but and so so then in our final clip

here everyone apologizes to homer homer is given a gift of being a roadie not good enough for him and he fucks up their show and they apologize to him this show was so dad pilled yes yeah there's no excuse for our horrible behavior tonight homer We acted like a bunch of angry young men. Rock and roll is supposed to be about peace and love. I hope you won't judge the entire Brian Setzer Orchestra by my actions. What we're trying to say, Homer, is we're sorry. By the way, I don't suppose any of you have seen my, um... No, sorry.

Oh. There's no need for apologies, guys. You're rock stars. You're supposed to be reckless and destructive and be celebrated for behavior that would land normal people in jail. That's what I told him, Homer. But just the same, we'd like to make it up to you. We're doing a gig tomorrow to benefit the victims of tonight's gig,

and we consider it an honor if you'd join us. Well, you're very sweet, Mick, but the only rocking I want to do is in my living room chair, surrounded by the world's greatest backup group, my femme. Well, then there's a long, mostly visual scene,

but they made sure to play Tom Petty's The Last DJ to get him a licensing paycheck, too. Thank God, thank God. So, but yeah, they all apologized to him. sure to play tom petty's the last dj to get him a licensing paycheck too thank god thank god but so uh but yeah they all apologized to him i mean i do like don't judge the rest of the brian seltzer orchestra uh by my action did you say seltzer on purpose i am purpose i did say that uh yeah this i mean the rock star cameos are corny it's not it's fun to get a good a few good jokes from each of them and it is fun to see them all simpsonized but mostly i just this is like an a very obnoxious homer episode where it

just like he keeps being like not only that but like each of the plots like resolve on him just complaining more and the next stage of the plot being him being rewarded for complaining so baby gets his bottle yeah exactly i i guess my final thoughts on this one are uh it's it's a great collection of gags as the the body of rock is being lowered into the ground these guys are the pallbearers uh but it is about how uh dads are pure and holy and blameless and if you see a dad you prostrate yourself down before him yeah and you you apologize profusely until he leaves the scene have you have you not thought about how they have to go to work? They have to go to work, unlike the mom who doesn't.

And their kids make them do stuff, and the wives. Oh, boy. The wives, they take the money to buy things? It's like the beginning of the Jetsons, or Married with Children. Either one works. Oh, yeah. Man, so, yeah, I guess the last thing I'll mention, too,

is the ending shot is such a like it's like a 80s prank movie of like they prank the principal at the end there's not an extra layer to it which they just burn off as close but there's a deleted ending that i can see why they cut it because it feels a little weak but honestly i prefer the meanness of it it goes more into like this is fully in mean homer gets his way so it gets up to homer saying the sweet thing about spending time with his family then it cuts to march saying and that'd be great if it ended there but and then homer actually changed his mind and is leaving with all of them to go on tour and it's him driving off with it would have been nice if they just stuck with the meanness

yeah instead they wanted a sweet thing of homer driving right and also the reveal of him in the car you know it the second you see it like it's so zoomed in like it it blows the joke but yeah yes i think it compared to other star fucker episodes i like the baseball softball one more i like crusty gets canceled more obviously the classics but and homer palooza it is a better rock one that actually was about then contemporary rockers instead of old in 2002 guys. But yeah, you're right, Bob. As far as the end of rock and roll and the death of it, like, yeah, this is a fine farewell. And I like hearing Keith Richards talk about Winter is Coming before, well, actually, I

guess probably the first book was out by this point. Yes. Of Game of Thrones. You know, just thinking about like the simpsons relation with rock rock music i was just going to see if there was like a good list of musicians on the simpsons and billboard has actually a very useful list the article that is just by each season what musician was on it for all of the seasons up to whenever this goes through and you know i i do have to say that you know i was thinking like oh are these specific specifically like dinosaur names for the simpsons but they really have had all sorts of

people on throughout the entire run going from you know season seven had both sonic youth and paul mccartney on it i was the thing that i was really trying to look up is like when the white stripes were on the simpsons because i knew that happened and was that like way past their primer right in their coming up but that was like 2006 not too long after this I don't know as far as like this is a reflection on where rock music is is coming from or going I I feel like it's more just pretty par for the course in the Simpsons relationship of with music which is does seem to be who will answer who will return our calls yes it's who all and one of those people is never bruce springsteen he never does the show and it's who mike scully always wanted it's mike

scully's dream though they had clarence clemens on that i i bet he thought when they got clarence clemens they're like he's gonna put in a good word to us to bruce and we're finally gonna get bruce if duncanville made it to season four there would have been a Bruce Springsteen appearance I swear he can't hold out forever his best friend Obama is busy sometimes he's got to do other stuff with his life and he sold all his song right Obama been ever ever been on the Simpsons no they made a hard pull to try to get Michelle Obama and they couldn't do it and it's kind of sad it's very sad not to prolong this I know you got to go Chris but they made an episode that was all about Michelle Obama visiting and she did not want to do the show so someone else is voicing her

and it's a long protracted kiss to her feet this entire episode that sounds I'm tugging my collar just thinking about that and it sounds sweaty it's uncomfortable yeah it's not Elon Musk being on the show low point but oh god

yes but thank you so much for being on the show once again, Chris. Please let us know where to find you online and what you're working on lately. Yeah, I mean, I'm on Twitter at SayWhatAgain. Right now, so you mentioned at the top, we recently finished this big, long history miniseries that I've been doing with Chapo Trap House called Hell on Earth, which is a miniseries about the 30 Years War, which is a war that happened in Germany in the 17th century, which I know sounds very obscure. But the reason that we wanted to do this is because it's also a story about climate change and financial collapse and crumbling political

institutions all leading to this giant, gnarly war that encompassed Europe. So we thought that there was like, we wanted to show how there's a lot of resonances between our moment and this moment. And plus, it's a cool Game of Thrones style war with a lot of political intrigue noble courts and like a time when wars are both fought with like knights on horseback and guys with muskets at the same time it's again it's gnarly it's cool it's fun so that's on the patreon.com slash chap of trap house that recently ended we moved into a new mini series from our host will and one of uh our friends hessa called movie mindset where they're going through some of their favorite movies. I think it's a really good eclectic lineup of movies that you haven't

seen on, not a lot of these I've seen on podcasts before, and I've tracked a lot of movie podcasts. So that's just kind of like a watch and discuss show, low-key hangout, but Will and Hessa are having a really great, fun time with it. Those episodes are really fun. That's what's going on over on Chapo Trap House. Oh, and I do a music podcast with my lovely wife, Molly, called And Introducing. We just covered the first half of Bono's biography. We have the second half in the can.

We've already recorded it. We just got to get around to editing and posting it. And then on top of that, we have 100 plus other episodes that are all based around musician-artist memoirs. So that's And Introducing. Always free, ad-free, wherever you get podcasts. All the Chapo Trap House stuff, the musician artist memoirs so uh that's and introducing always free ad free wherever you get podcasts all the chapo trap house stuff the mini series exclusives are at patreon.com slash chapo trap house from now on when i see martin luther i'm gonna think the original poster

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Everybody's naughty and free's finished. She likes to party. She likes to rock. Yeah! But there's lots of other fun instruments, like bass. I hope you won't judge the entire Brian Setzer Orchestra

by my actions. Rock and roll is supposed to be about peace and love. Who said that? Will you stop saying that? Simpson!