Tell Em Steve-Dave - #474: Retell ‘Em Steve Dave: Part Two

Episode Date: March 21, 2021

The boys talk about days of olde with Kev Smith.

I want to take over the government. It's a fact don't ask me for photos. I'm glad that you love me, but I get that everywhere. What I need from you is sex. Hello, and welcome to this week's edition of Tell Him Steve Dave. I am here with Waltz and I am here with Q. And I am here with Kevin Smith. Yes, I'm a guest. You're a guest. This is part two. The first part of this is gonna be on SmartCase and Kevin's YouTube channel. This part is gonna be on our regular feed and you can go to patreon.com slash tell him Steve Day for the video.

If you wanna see it, you go behind the club, you gotta join the fucking Tesdy kids in Tesdy town, right? It's a good time. You wanna be a pull, that's a good one. You wanna see the video too, particularly because the video is like, you can hear a weird talking about but you gotta see the faces everyone is making. Oh, they were such serious faces.

All right, so back to the show. We recorded in an hour over its podcast, but we recorded for three hours, for the we're breaking it up in a three episodes. And this is the second part of the of our long conversation happening here on the Tezdi podcast. So if you we't listen to SmartCast prior to this, you probably not missing much. It's not like we fucking had any revelations you haven't heard before or anything like that.

But it's definitely worth a listen to catch up to where we are. Cause right now, as soon as I stop talking, we're gonna dive back in to where the conversation is. So it's gonna suddenly, we're gonna go from me explaining shit to like us deep in something. And so if you're like, what the fuck,

they went deep hard and fast with no lubricant is because we already went just the tip on spot cast. Now we're taking it to the shaft and then there's three hours and so in the third hour which is over on spot cast. Those deep sun. That's it. That's what we're going for.

We don't get in there right away. We ease ourselves in. So yes, the third part of this, you'll be able to find on Smartcast, both on the podcast and on my YouTube channel and stuff. But right now, enjoy section two, ladies and gentlemen, the TuzD part of our long conversation. My God, you love this band.

We deal with this every week. Every week. Let me ask you this. And you gotta be honest. Yes. Dead honest. Dead honest. Would you feel it?

No. That's clear. I'm gonna ask that question. He's been that very clear. Is the wall green? Have you, has he ever done something so moving that you have gotten emotional or cried? No, but you've not how about the fucking to come back against Atlanta. Get him. You were at my house, right?

You were there. You saw me as close to tears as probably you ever did, but I didn't, but I didn't let any tears fall out of these Doc, Doc. It's with that. I conscious like effort? Like I won't give them that. No, no, because because Gidham was watching the game with me and I'm like, I'm not going to cry in front of my front. All right, one of my son. If you're if your own boy wasn't there to watch. No, no, no, no. I mean, it was it was just like jaw dropping.

Even the Super Bowl this year was just because I didn't think he was going to win. I mean, he's going up against the greatest right now in Patrick Mahomes. So for him to pull it off, especially he got blown out by this guy. You know, this guy came into his house and before Thanksgiving, and they put up like 40 points and they could have put up even more if they took their foot off the pedal because they were crushing him so bad. I didn't think he was going win. And it just was,

it's the way that. I nervous was I getting for that. I mean, you were, have you ever seen me that way? I was like standing just like, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, it was a way. I'd probably aside to me,

you'd never saw before watching that game, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, it was just like, I was like, I was on Coke. If I had, I know what that is. Oh no. I think that's what I would be like

if I was like, if I took that is. I don't know. I think that's what I would be like if I was like, if I took an April. Compared to how a whole April. This is how you would be, you just say like, man. What compared to when you were passionate about the devils and the devils were up for a cup? Very, very similar. Or more.

Probably about the same levels of anxiety where I was like, well, I'm off the couch, I'm wanting around, my hands are shaking, my feet are freezing because I'm so nervous. And you don't even give a fuck about the team, it's just... It's just him, yeah, because I don't want to hear anybody fucking at me on the social media be like, oh, how'd your boy do? That's where the love comes from.

It comes from all the hate, dude. And then I just get immediately after's where the love comes from it comes from all the hate And then I just get immediately after the game was over just fucking go out there and be like you know Because after every playoff when I was just like Gator Dunn goat and I know it fucking annoys Like 90% of our listener base He's quoting Larry the cable guy He's quoting Larry the cable guy too. I knew that would be annoying too. It's incredibly sweet to see your fandom. Because I can't think of anything. Like even by the time I was started hanging out with you, you liked the devils, but you

were over the initial hump of like, discovery. So they were just a part of your fucking life. This is like a late in life development, and it's not centered around a team. And it's not even centered around the state. Like at least the devils, you can make the argument like, well, New Jersey devil's own team and shit and he gave him a shot and he's still back. This is a fucker from someplace else who doesn't say anything well at his fucking job,

but apparently the world doesn't like him. This part I didn't know. I thought everybody fucking know. No, no. I mean, he kissed his kid, that's how everybody had an instant. Yeah, like he was on some interview wheel. No, no, no, no, no.

He was on the documentary and he had, that's what he actually did. He opened mouth, kissed his, no. He was wearing a shirt. Yeah, but I was just, he just kissed his son in the lips. Yeah, I know. and he and he that's what he opened mouth kisses no sorry yeah but I'm just just a sudden the lips yeah I know I knew he was I knew he was gonna take some shit for that and I was just like oh Tom why'd you do it?

Go no go don't get that done go do it with the cameras or I'll do it if there should be like I wish that like I was buddies with the guy because there's nobody probably close to him that could be like you got to burn that footage you You got to get rid of that footage. Go we got to hang out because I got your back goal. In a way there's nobody else stuff. Because nobody in his camp probably was like it's got the balls to be like can't release like making out with your son like these like 10

years old. I'm sure he didn't see it that way. I'm sure he was like I don't think we're making out I just gave my kids. Well I think the problem was that like the kid wanted something and Tom Brady was like, all right, give me a kiss first. Like, to earn whatever it was by kissing the fucking he made a merit with some fucking some smooches. He has a habit. Dad too, as they say. Hashtag dad too. He has a habit of kissing his dad only when he wins. It's not all the time, but he does kiss his dad on the lips when he wins a super bowl too. Where are you owner? No, no, no, no, Tom Brady.

Yeah, and the that's the owner that was going to massage followers too, so I don't know. You're gonna call me a son. I'm just trying to keep up with Tom Brady fandom. Don't take me off site with like, and then there's the guy who got the fucking massage. Who's that? He got a, what do you get at it? It was a massage. It was a handy.

Was it a handy or is it, or is it anything with oral? I thought it was just a handy who was this Robert Kraft the owner of the New England Patriots got a hand job guy with God knows How much money decides to go to fucking low rent massage parlour the super bowl for the agency championship But he always did it right was a Yeah, I think it was his lucky thing like if I get it was Yeah My lucky thing became my off lucky thing so so like if I get it. Until it wasn't. I feel like I got my lucky thing to came my off lucky thing. So, so charming, but also very, like, I guess it makes sense in as much as you're like and follow the path you're like, I started doing it to make fun of them and then I actually

fell in love with them. It is kind of a meet cute story. You could literally turn that into a romantic comedy. Yeah, lifetime. You initially tried to troll them with Tim Tibo, right? Was he, and then, again, it's always because I hate when like a quarterback or an athlete was taken shit just because he was a Christian. Oh, so Tim Tibo. So then I adopted Tim Tibo before Brady because I just couldn't stand the way that he was taking so much shit.

For being a Christian. Yeah, for the wearin' it on your sleep in a Christian. No. So what I'm hearing is you're just a yeah. Really? You're just you're just a contrarian. You're like, that's what the passion comes to my good old daylight. That's my guy. Yeah. But then I actually, but then the troll became what became what the prince. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to like like just Marvel legitimately Marvel and legitimately be like just wow just knocked down my ass by like all this guys accomplishments. Were you liking him when we were still doing comic bookman? Probably yeah probably but you know it's not like you're in the throws of comic bookman you know fucking like they'd be trying to book him for one of the shows. Oh, yeah. But I mean, we did one, I don't know if it ever aired, where like we did a, like a,

what was it called banter, where I told, I asked the guys, which athlete would like, you know, flash board, I remember flash board and save the world. He was a New York Jets quarterback in that movie. I was like, pick a current athlete today that like if he had to save the world from an alien armada, who would you pick? And you know, everybody was wrong, because I was like, it's Tom Brady. It's like, if you don't pick Tom Brady,

you want the world to die. And that's what Nancy was like, cancel it. They're talking about sports now, with the boy. Cancel it. The, the, Patreon's, we started one, right after the collapse

of where the cancellation didn't collapse. They canceled the comic book, man. I've told the story before, but it was always so fucking shocking to me. Every year that they renewed the show, I was like, are you kidding me? Like really? Again?

Like, and not in a bad way, but I was always shocked. Because I was always sooner or later, I thought they'd be like, probably wants to watch you and your fucking friends on TV, and eventually they did say that. But it took seven years to get there. So I thought they'd be like, probably wants to watch you and your fucking friends on TV and eventually they did say that, but it took seven years to get there. So every year they renewed the show,

I was always like, man, I can't believe they fucking renewed it. The one time where I was like, oh my God, of course we're getting another season, I just had a heart attack. Like fucking, I'm all over the place. Like how'd you come to Up Runs twice? I did the Up Runs as well,

so I was like, we're definitely fucking coming back. And Charlie from fucking AMC was like texted me. And he was like, hey, if you got a chance, give me a shot. I texted him back and I was like, what's my anniversary? So like, I don't want to hear any bad news joking around. He wrote back, oh, then call me tomorrow. It's the way I called him. I was like, Charlie, what's happened?

He's like, yeah, we think we've come to the end. We're kind of finished. I said, I look, I said, I'll never fight you on it. Man, I can't believe you let us fucking have as many shows as we did. Thank you and stuff. I was like, but like, we're at 97. Can we just shoot like three more?

And he goes, yeah, that just financially doesn't make sense. So like he wouldn't, and I'm not saying he's a prick, he's a wonderful guy, but they had reached a place where they were like, we don't wanna spend 10 more cents on this show. Like, and not because they're like, we don't fucking like you or whatever, the like, it's done, we're done.

And to be fair, we went way longer than any fucking unscripted program they started because we were just one of many unscripted programs that started in Amc. But eventually they fucking pulled the plug and stuff like that. I think the only ones that would be this would be talking to it. Yeah. That's right because they were, I think they started like the year before us or like two months before us or something like that.

I can't figure out the logistics behind it because the numbers you guys were getting at that time and night like why wouldn't they be happy with that? Like just never made sense to me? I guess a new regime, right? I don't know. Well, I mean Charlie was still there, so no I mean, and he was the guy that would make the decision and he was like he loved the show and loved us and was is super warm Warm funny fucking guy a dude who never really should have been an exec and not because he's not good at the job But he's like entertaining and quick. Like he should be on this side of fucking things and stuff. But he eventually got to a place where they were like, we just can't do it anymore. He called all of us, which I thought was nice. Did he? Oh, yeah.

Did he call you? Oh, yeah, after he kept calling me though, yeah, like, yeah, Charlie didn't break it to me. I shouldn't even took that. Should we like the plan of earth? Delete. What was your thought when you heard common book men was ending? You probably relieved. No, no, I wasn't relieved. I was surprised because I thought for sure, like many previous years, I also was like, just a little later, bringing it back. They keep pushing it like it's

airing at 2 a.m. What is the end game for them to keep doing this if they just keep like bearing it at like, you know, on a Sunday night, Monday morning at this, never replay. Never replay. No reruns. Yeah. So I was always of the mindset that it was getting,

that it was always the last year at the end, but not that year. I thought that, you know, at the heart attack, I just know waiting, they're gonna cancel. I thought that, you know, at the heart attack, I just know what they're gonna cancel. I was like, it'll look so bad if they canceled. They didn't have anything to do with it. They're like, Tilling, we can't, what if he dies on camera?

No, because I'm sure they'd be like, well, what if he dies on camera? Well, the insurance, I thought if you died while you were on the podcast, it. Wow, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. But they didn't have insurance on me on the show, because we're not like,

they had insurance in as much as if somebody trips here fucking I can't see them or something, but they'd ever insured any of us. Like the way they insured you one of them. Even when Mike went up in a helicopter? I guess there was some insurance covering that, but certainly not like how to like this coverage. Mike got so much. Mike, don't let go. I don't like that so much. Mike, don't let go. Why? No coverage.

I was talking to Mary Beth today. We were walking through Red Bank and she said, like, I missed the comic book meant summers and for like, in that long, I put men's summers. It was a great name for a memoir. Yeah. Or a song. Yeah. Well, more fucking video for Patreon. Where it's like, yeah, it was like all

these people that you don't normally get to talk to, like they just all come together. And it's everyone you like, everyone you know, it was very rare that you saw a new face on the show. And it was like for two months, you're like, it was work, but to me, it didn't really feel like work. Again, it's like, I went there and I I fucked around with my friends for X amount of hours, and then we left. That crew was awesome to be here. You could tell that crew was like, they were standing mansions by the scene.

Well, they shouldn't be having to, but they were legitimately like jazz to be there. Every year their housing was fucking far superior to mine. But they did live in groups, didn't they didn't like a bunch of them staying that mansion. It wasn't like Christian had his own mansion. No, Christian stayed in a big place, but it was only with like Kimberly and Melissa, his girlfriend, Melo, yeah. But some of the other people, like they didn't have mansions like the PAs in ship, but still it's like they're a block away

from the ocean, you know, in the summer. They all see anytime I came because my my role on common bookman was very much I pop in every month and shoot wraparounds and stuff and everyone else actually did the heavy lifting of the day to day shooting the show like you got shot five days a week, 12 hours a day and shit. I came inside around the poker table and I was like what'd you guys do and made jokes and stuff like that? So anytime I came to visit, you got the distinct sense of family from that crew. They were very happy to be there. Nobody was like, this fucking sucks man,

I can't believe we're still doing this and shit like that. They really looked forward to it. That job, I think Christian told us at one point, he was like, this is the vacation job. He's like, we come here in the summer, we get to fucking hang out at the beach, we get to shoot a really fun show.

They were always very complimentary, and then that was like thing. It's something that I took a great amount of pride in, which is weird, because I didn't create it. You guys were talking before I ever met. But they were always very like into the idea that like, we roll a camera and we have a show. Cause in the world of unscripted TV,

you don't always have like the luck of the impractical jokers where before guys all have something fun to say. There's a lot of pulling teeth. And with Brian and Walter on comic book men and of course Megan Mike as well, there was just constant fucking content. That was the first like compliment they ever passed on where they were just like, uh oh, who's that?

Oh, get him. Get him. Get him. Get them. Your son is fucking shit up. Um, it was, that was the compliment I really enjoyed when they were like, your friends are like fast, they, they, they come up with shit to talk about. And they were impressed by it because the world they were used to dealing with, they roll cameras on somebody for an hour to pull out five, 10 seconds or something like that. That's when Michelle told me, you'd be like, you know, just have a conversation with people be like, what do you mean? Like, what?

And it was very difficult. And he's like, and when with you guys, it was like here, talk about this. And then we talk about it for five or seven or ten minutes. And it's like, okay, now talk about this. And I missed that. I missed that. I felt like it kept me very sharp, even through the throat a fucking oxy cotton addiction. It's still kept my mind sharp And I felt best and like when we got away from that. I'm not doing it, you know

Every day in the summer. I just I don't know if you're like your mind feels more muddled and a little slower You're not you know extra sharp. Yeah, but basically that is kind of the exercise quotient. Um, when you heard Comboogman was canceled, you were like, whoo, no, I can't believe it. My show's still on. I'm like, well, in the season eight bitches. No, I couldn't believe it. I like, just looking at the numbers.

I'm still, I still don't understand how they didn't pick it back up. It just seems like a no brainer. I pitched to them recently on something else, to AMC and everyone I pitched to I didn't recognize anybody, but all of them on the pitch were like, we love comic book men. I was like, all right, well, do it again. They're like, anyway, what do you got?

Well, I'm whole, we talked about on Tellmsee, Dave, because we just were in the process putting together this deal with Warner Media, where we produce stuff. And I'm gonna try and get it brought back. That'd be amazing. If you can resurrect the show, because one of the things that I like deal with on social media is not people being like fuck the goat People which is something you deal with all the time with your Tom Brady love I deal with a bunch of people who are like

Why don't you do comic book men again as if I am in charge of that as if I'm like well? I elect not to because I don't want to be on TV and fuck my friends It's like I have no choice in the matter. Like somebody else doesn't want to do it. If somebody wanted to fucking revive it, I would love to. We're, we're, we're, as soon as we get all of our, our office space and all of a chip, we're going to go out with some stuff and that's going to be one of the things that I try and push.

And I'm hoping that because it's a new deal and they're exciting to see what they bring. What we bring, like, oh, they green light the first three things will be yeah it'll be like fuck this is great we could do it so it's it's a plan but I didn't realize how long it took to get a development deal going six months now I'm like all right let's get started and then think about the budget was it wasn't huge it was not a big budget for a show like that but yeah but you- How frequent? Yeah. But do you know what it was? I believe it was about five million a season. I think something like that. Which for those like listening or watching, trying to think of a show that people like,

Grey's Anatomy, minimum five million episode. Right. Probably more than that. So we got an entire season, which to be fair was how many episodes ate 16? What do they count as it depends? You know, it was usually anywhere from 13 to 16. But still, like never changed a cheap show. Yeah. That's true. It's never never like they were like, my God, the show's doing well. Let's spend more.

And they were always into how well the show did. They were very frank about it. They're like, oh, my God, you guys kill in your time slot. Like one of the things that made me proud is about the show when they told me was like, they're like, you guys kill fucking Conan's numbers. And he's on, you know, fucking TBS with a budget and shit like that. So there were a bunch of people watching for a long time. And that's why we got to stay on. I remember telling Charlie at one point, like, I think when he picked us up for year five, I was like, oh my god, I can't thank you enough. Like I know you only pick us up because you and I are friends.

He's like, you think I pick up the show because we talk on the phone sometimes. He's like, that's not really how television works. Kevin, he's like, your show makes money for us as long as it does. We'll keep doing the show. So I guess they've hit a place where they're like, it's not enough. Yeah, it's not enough money because that's it. It wasn't like, we're not making any money. It's just like we could make more.

And let's free this up for something that will make more or something. I often wonder if they had treated it more like IJ where you can't fucking get away from it on the network. IJ, well, I mean number one, no offense number one, I refuse to fucking call IJ either. I'm fucking done with this shit. For impractical jokers, like impractical jokers has a better formula for like viral activity because it's fun. It's like, I'm going to watch you do this. Like, I'm going to dare you do this. It's almost like a game show.

There's a game show mentality. There's no storyline to go. There's no storyline. But even though in our world, there weren't that many storylines, but still, that's, uh, here's set up punchline, set up punchline, set up punchline. And and that's not diminishing it. It's like, sure. That's what you could expect from the show. And it's easier to get into, whereas I think comic book men, number one, you have to like

comics. You don't have to like comic books, where have an interest in comic books to jump into and practical jokers. You just have to want to see friends having a good time or fucking around and blah, blah, blah. So it translates far easier in a way that even if we were put ad nauseam onto AMC, I don't think we would have gotten all that bigger. Like as where did you guys, where did you guys notice your first big hit like Netflix when people,

more people started saying, when did you guys notice your first big hit like Netflix when people more to people started saying when did you realize? Holy shit. It was it was no. It was just when true TV just switched over to comedy. They canceled every show but us and they just Started airing us without exaggeration like 18 hours out of the day and it was just like you couldn't avoid Like you know what I mean if you're flipping through the channels and you hit that channel We're gonna be on and you're high enough or if it's late enough at night And I like oh, it's late enough at night, and they're like, oh, it's this stupid shit. And that's kinda how it went.

It was, we got lucky because we had such a shitty deal when we started doing that show. So like, we didn't get, because it was a reality show, even though we wrote so much and did it. So we didn't, we don't get paid per Eric. So for them, they can earn as much as they want. So that's why they did it at

not that's why they didn't have to pay us. So we always took it as like so we made a deal with them was like, all right, well, there's nothing we can do about that. But can we tour under the name and not give you guys anything? Because in the beginning, they first were like, you get call yourselves in bright. They were sending the system. And then so you were able to finagle. We were like, that's we're doing comic clubs in Ohio. Just give it to us. And then so you were able to finagle. We were like, that's what doing comedy clubs in Ohio. Just give it to us. And at the time we were doing comedy clubs in Ohio. So that was kind of the break.

And then as we started getting to bigger, bigger venues, we were like, oh shit, the TV show is a commercial for the live tour. Yes. So Aaron as much as you want, guys. And then by I think in the fifth season, we were like, in our contract, we were like, just put in a commercial for the live show

at the end of the show. And I just worked, I benefit. And so at the end of every show, there's a commercial for the live show at the end of the show. And, and I just worked to a benefit. And so at the end of every show, there's a commercial for the last. I like to see the guys on tour. Yeah. So yeah. So that was I should do with something that we never did on comic book, man, but it's also something that like, it's not like go see Brian Walter. Yeah. You know, me standing up there.

Holy shit, man. That's like, it's so weird to see the trickle down and then follow it and be like, that's fucking brilliant. Yeah. And then, and then, because of regimes to switch over so much, you know, people like, as new regimes, they're like, well, how come with you? How do we get some of that touring money? And we're like, that's what I was going to ask. Because they don't touch that at all.

Now what it is is they get part of merch, but they have to pay for it to make them merch themselves. So they can make it and then give you a percentage. But you can also make your own merch. No, everything goes through that. So they make all the merch. They make all the merch, right? But they hire their own merch company to follow around the towards.

So they just assume all the risks. They're assuming all the risks. Nice. And split the money. Yeah, I'm sure it's. They're assuming all the risks. Nice. Yeah. And split the money. Yeah, I don't, I'm sure it's not a great split, but yeah, they get that. But the nice thing is, as I'm sure you figured out, and you guys have figured out over the course

of 10 years of doing Tom Steve Day, every piece of merchandise is also a freak commercial. Anytime somebody's wearing that shirt, sporting that bumper sticker, wearing that patch, that's just a billboard that somebody walking around and somebody else wearing Superman shirt, sporting that bumper sticker, wearing that patch. That's just a billboard, that's somebody walking around and somebody's like, what is it? What is it wearing, Superman, right? There you are.

You're doing DC's work for him. Is the devil's right there. There he is, we're all branded. I'm the guy who's always selling me. That's what I gotta do. I gotta be did he go on. Look at you, fucking fancy pants and shit. This is what happened when Ben hooked up with JLo.

He started dressing all fancy and shit. You got married and you turned into a fancy boy. I got M-hole over there. I got M-hole. I got M-hole. It is a thing of beauty to see the continued success of what started as a, what started as like,

somebody got to help out Brian has now turned into like an industry. For you, a side industry, great one, but in addition to like another industry, and for you guys, the industry. Yeah, so much so that like, I thought like, test code. When he got married, I was like,

that's the most greatest ending. Like, you know, start it like he was so like down on his lock, you know, but one thing on his head, like if we had ended it on that episode, it would have been like, then an older guy who goes through a midlife crisis could see the whole thing, the whole story. Just like me with Gretzky, they'd be like, I know what happens at the end to tell him Steve Dave. I would have my fucking foot back on a stool again. I got to get a real job. Ah!

Ah! There's still no way there. I didn't throw the stool out. I'm just not stepping on it this week. Was there ever any thought or is that just amusing me? That would have been like, in a perfect world, that would have been the greatest ending. I thought, like, you know, the journey from, like, like you know I'm so depressed to now I'm happily married. If it was if it was a if it was a free podcast would you have insisted that's yeah.

How sure gonna quit this 10 years ago. It was that was famous fucking words that Walter said when I was like, you guys should do a podcast. You should just like, the love you want, fucking spot cast, sit down and do a fucking podcast. And his quote was, yeah, that's the cure for death. And I was like, you'd be surprised. You would find like, it's talking. You get to talk and people get to hear you. It's about being heard in this life. And Walter goes, I'll do it. I'm going to do it with him. And I said, really? And he goes, yeah, he's going to ill quit in three episodes. So it's no skin off my ass. I'll totally do it with him. And it's gone on for a fucking decade. And not only has it gone on as the original thing,

it turned into something else. Like, you know, we joke and fucking giggle. But like, there's a reason Tesdy won't fucking end until somebody dies because now it's the career It's not just a hobby. It's not just something nice to make somebody feel good It is literally an industry. It's something that like puts the fucking roof over house over people's heads puts Fucking nice Sean John clothing on people or whatever to fuck fancy threads It's it's like if it was a free podcast, it could have been like, all right, we're done. But now it's like,

but is it a good thing now? Cause I'll see some posts online. It's like, you know, you guys jump the shark. Oh, come on, they said that to me on mall right? Like second film out there, like you jumped the shark. There's always somebody to say that. But this is what the genius of these guys are. And I don't know whose idea it was, but somebody said that.

And then a month later we had a bumper sticker that said, T.S. is the shark. I said it's I. That's what it means. Yeah, I list that fucking. I list that fucking. It was the material. The fans have been like the fuel, the wind beneath the wings, the fuel actually in the show,

like so much of what you guys do. That artwork, I thought you did that. No, I've done a lot of the artwork for Tom Stee, they've not this piece though, not this particular piece. Oh, that's a picture. Yeah. So crazy that like one of the defining attributes of Tess D, the four color demons,

which is a visual image and a visual image of something metal with reference to comics wasn't drawn by you. No, yeah, no, there's a lot of work that isn't mine because we have a lot of talented listeners. Yes. And when I like this list, the Tom Steve Davis, the shark, that's not me either, but I just love that drawing and I purchased it from a listener and I was like, I'm going to make a shirt out of it. I'm going to make a bumper sticker out of it.

What about the shirts, like the three, the rainbow barons? Well, that's a photograph, but I designed all those shirts and everything that I, I mean, well, except the, except the etching hand, the three heads and the, of course, the four color and the mug shop, the top three ones. Yeah. Look at the flock poster. I mean, like, this is, this just shows up on my house stuff like this. You didn't know this was happening. You know, it was coming.

Walt just had a flocked. Yeah, it's like a black light poster. Yes, from like, I went, Ernie showed me at one point in the tour on the thing. I was like, oh my God, that looks like fucking something from the record rack. Like, it kind of puts it into reach back. It's a very, very reach back for a year.

For those listening, we were like record rack. When we were kids in Highlands, we had a record store, believe it or not. And it was called the record rack, right next to record rack, right next to Bart the Barber, the one-legged barber, who I'm sure you've talked about many times in Tessie. Funny, we have to interrupt this fine show for a moment to tell people about underpants. Do you wear underpants? No. You don't. Why aren't you wearing underpants? No. You don't.

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that's miendy.com slash T these calm slash T. East. Do it Yeah, we have churned out like in the last three years so much merchandise because of the patreon again No, I'm not sure if it's a good thing, but it's fun to design at all But at a certain point I'm like, you know, is it like, is it hitting kiss levels of lunacy? Do you have a coffin yet? Well, I'm working on it. That's what Brian's going to be sitting in the corner of the store. I'll tell you what, if this image was on my coffin, I would be proud to be dead.

Yes. I want to be dead at that point. No, I worry about that. No, number one, as somebody who has reached kiss levels of fucking crap, you're fine. You got a ways to go. It's still at an incredibly charming level, at least for me. And I like to think that I don't come into this cold.

I'm well aware of fucking Tessby when I saw the merch and shit. I was like, oh my god. And for the last few years, I've been like, I remember like when I saw the album, I was like, what do you mean they made a record? I'm like, they made a record. And I was like, like, over singing? Like, yeah, I was like, I was like,

we haven't even made a record. And I'm like, yeah, they made a record. I was like, that's a doable thing. Like, I'm gonna make a record. From there and forward, anytime I've seen something I I'm like, Jesus, like that's fucking neat. But the good thing while you'll never reach kiss levels is because since it's Patreon-driven, it's only for the members, correct? Yeah.

And you don't make me on that, so it's not like you're still selling shit. So the people who want it more than fucking life itself have it. And the people who would say something who are people who would never buy it anyway don't even know fucking exist. It's perfect. No, they don't exist. And then I see them like some anti-top brandy fuckers. It's like, they're like, again, like they've jumped their shark. They made a lamp. You know, I'm just like, wait, that was a bad thing. Somebody thought that was bad. There's just too much now. There's just too much like forgetting it.

Yeah, but there's like people who aren't getting it, you know, I guess like, I like how silly it is. Yeah, they see the pictures online. And so yeah, I worry about that. I want to like turn it into a side show. Um, it is though. Yeah, we're all on the side show business. It's all in the exact accordingly. Yeah.

If you can steal someone's attention, I mean, think about how much competition you have in this world for the attention of an audience member. If you can steal as much attention as you've stolen from these people over the course of 10 years, like that's fucking talent. That's all we're doing. We're in the distraction business.

And you have distracted an army of ants for a decade now with your fucking antics and stuff. And you fucking captivated people with your antics on television and you still continue to captivate people with your antics on television shit. Crazy. And if I had, if somebody had told me at the beginning, pick one of these fucking three. I'd be like, why am I even including the guy who yelled at the bookstore clerk? Why is he like, he's, he'll be a big part of this. So you got him pick one of the three. I definitely would have said,

like Quinn will, not, like Quinn's gonna go places, but Quinn have the openness of like, let's do a thing. Let's do a thing. He has like that, he's got that boyish energy. You just wanna, like, you just wanna, I just wanna kiss it on the lips. Yeah. Tom Brady style.

You did good. Yeah, he brings that kind of, yeah, he energizes me, definitely, like, when he's involved in it and whatever we're doing, because he has that kind of, like, that boyish, like, man. It's guys 45 years old. But he brings, he brings that kind of like that boyish like man. It's guys 45. Yeah, but he brings he brings an energy like he like he's Robin. He's Robin.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, see that man, let's kick some ass. Like just ready for plenty of times where I've dragged ass in here. Not not for many a year. Not for many a year. Yeah, you have, yeah, you definitely like bring a spark that, you know, that is very, very much noted and appreciated. Well, that's because you guys.

There's a lot of guys that have some and suggesting to do a podcast. I mean, it's more than suggest I made you do it. I ended it the first one. And I gave you the title and was like you have to do this. But that was the one thing to be like to ride you guys, give me audio and I'll cut it up together and shit and fucking no, no, joint counter join is not the name. Like that part tried over the years to bring that back. It's a good name, but this Tess D had obviously, I still think there's a Patreon episode there.

There's definitely a side show called joint counter joint. In a world of Patreon, don't you have to do multiple things? Like, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does it, does Jeff show. He's the Ed McMahon. You let your son be Ed McMahon to Sunday Jeff. Yeah, I should be a Walton. Get him show. Sunday Jeff's a real talent. Yeah, Sunday. Yeah, it may look like he's

combatose. And it's not. It's not that it's back to the hell. Yeah, it's it's undescribable. It's not the guy with the boyish energy. But he has boyish energy too. Cause he like I made him eat. I mean, I'm sure you never heard about this, but like we had a pussy eating contest and we use figs Figs with hair like Disturbing kit you've ever seen and that and like and like when you turn it on I tell Sunday Jeff like this I want you to do and he just does it like with the Grin ear to ear I guess it's kind of how like you feel like when you see like that,

well, like we're putting up a green screen. Or anytime I'm like, Jay, do this. It's like, all right. Yeah. And so like, yeah, we had, we had like you just, for it's amazing like what, like with a little bit of like, like suggestion and like, what were you willing to do this? Yeah.

Okay. Let's do it. Well, and then it's a good thing. It's an innocent shit? Yeah, okay, let's do it. Well, and then a guy, it's a good thing it's innocent shit. Like, hey, let's shoot a little video. Let's do it like, wanna take over the government? You're also talking about a guy that I feel like would never be involved in shit.

Like, no. No, another guy that also doesn't occur to me is like, somebody who's like, hey, I'll be on a microphone. No, no, yeah, and that's, I guess that's like that. That, you know, brings me to a point where like that is something that I will, I will be like that a doubt. Your insistence, not in a good way of like, including people in your journey. That's the Grest keep art. That's the like, I'm going to pass you to puck. You score because it's fun. That has inspired me to include everybody in my circle

from Sunday, Jeff. It's clear to my daughter. It's in the work. You could see to get them to everybody at any friend that I come into contact or I make. I'm like. I'm going to have the whole Frank five day. Yeah. It's just like that. It comes from like being, you know, being and seeing how you handle things and including us in things throughout throughout your whole career. That comes, it definitely comes from like being seeing how you handled yourself and how you want it to include everybody else. That's wonderful. I can't understand like we're lucky I guess maybe we breathe verified air all of this at this table, but all of us got successful with friends. And that's not true of many people or almost any people in this business at any level, not just like the world of

podcasting or the world of TV It's just entertainment in general. It's a very cut throat fucking world that's filled with egos And a lot of people won't me me me and fucking out front and shit like that and Don't have friendships. That's conventional wisdom in the entertainment businesses. You don't have fucking friends because everyone's in competition with one another We sitting here at the table have been lucky enough to have come to success side by side with the people that we were unsuccessful with as well. You know what I'm saying?

Like nobody could lie in this room because we all knew each other when. So it doesn't matter how fucking successful one could get and you meet people in your life We're like you're just the most fucking famous person the most successful person I've ever met They weren't there when you weren't Everyone that we work with Was and because of that There's something more satisfying about the win, you know what I'm saying

I mean, I'm sure like we can't all be Tom Brady win by yourself Take a whole team with you and shit winning with friends is kind of like I mean, I'm sure we can't all be Tom Brady, win by yourself. Take a whole team with you and shit. Winning with friends is kind of like, you know, I guess that's like the thing about Gratsky that I found most appealing. At least as it was portrayed, he was like, oh, he likes all these people and because he likes them, he like brings them in and fucking like Messier said,

you just have to show up and do your job. You carry your end to the bargain and something fucking magical would happen. It's kind of, it's the story here at this table. You just have to show up, you have to do your part of the fucking bargain, carry your part of the fucking show. And every week something magical happens and that was not the aim. It wasn't like, let's start this thing because it can be a thing that will fucking like will be how we make a living or how will be what the fucking talk about is when we die they're gonna talk about this shit

testy i'm gonna talk about fucking this that other talk about fucking like this thing that you built that you need yeah i think i don't talk i can't i can't die but i can die. I think I'm going to talk about tell me. But it is. It's like, but I mean, it extends, of course, to Quinn beyond just tell him, Steve Dave, obviously, does the same thing. Oh, yeah, we fucking in practical gym. We have we sold the network on so far, three specials. That's just our crew because we love them so much it went with us for 10 years. We were fighting to get them on the show and now now we do Total episodes about just the sound guy going out and doing in crackle jokers and the crowd loves them We love that and fucking people see Danny Hollis our sound guy and they they they because it's a liberty might as well be Affling they they go fucking nuts and they want

He's a celebrity. Might as well be athletes. They go fucking nuts and they won't think something shit like that. And it's like, that's so much better than somebody asking me for a pic photo. Is to see Dan Cass get it or yeah, it's just way better, man. It's way better.

In fact, don't answer me for photos. That's what we're getting. That's what the heart is. Let's just go to Dan Cal. She's like, I'm fucking real Ringo thing, where he's like, no more autographs, peace and love. Peace and love. Peace and love. Like, I just point out Sunday, Jeff, would never Ringo thing where he's like no more autographs, peace and love. Peace and love. Like, I just point out Sunday, Jeff would never have done something like he's doing now,

if not for like bringing him in. Right. But I feel the same way about myself, I don't know about you, but if it weren't for Kevin, I would never have thought, it's just not the way I grew up, it's not the way I thought about myself, it's not the way I was raised, that like, you can go out and do something like this. Like, people would want to listen to you talk and people might even want to watch you look like an asshole on TV You know, it's kind of founded me that you both of you weren't more and then the term is not more sure of yourselves, but like

You know, like I was like he's fucking hysterical and he's fucking hysterical and they're both fucking brilliant like They don't seem to know it. You know, that's why I told him Steve Dave was an effort because I was like, people like you on the show, like unbelievably so. They like when you guys sit on the show and fucking beckarate each other. You should do a fucking thing and stuff. But like, it really, it comes down to, like, I mean, it comes down to Howard Stern thing. Like, wouldn't it be great if you could just sit around and fucking talk to your friends, and that was your job? And it was not the aim, obviously, but it did become a version of that became our careers across the board. Like, he sits around and talks to his fucking friends. You sit around and talk to your fucking friends. I sit around talking to my fucking friends

and somehow that counts. Somehow it's a business. Like you said, with what is it called, Frank Viver, whatever? Right. You're like, I get to be like a brilliant and seem like a genius because I know a lot of shit about a fucking show that nobody fucking remembers

and shit. It's dialed in to what you are best at. Like, I'm like my dad, I can't speak for, well, Edgar was like a marketplace of the home. Yeah, Carpenter Carpenter. Dean, we worked for others in Chile. Oh, yeah.

And your dad, what'd your dad do? No. What did your mom do? I don't know. He worked in a factory. What did mom do? She was a stay-at-home mom from the most part of it What did you do? What did your parents do? Oh my dad broke subways in Manhattan He was a trained operator the fuck out of here. Yeah 20 years

He drove the subway so around from Coney Island to Manhattan up and down. That's fucking badass Did he ever see crime in shit? Oh my god, dude. I used to go to work with him like this Suns there's quiet I'd be like that's one of the subway cars were all covered in the graffiti. Yeah, and yeah, I mean, he would have guys kill themselves on the track all the time. He saw that as he's driving.

He saw that as he's driving. His fun was called meat train because every other time he works, somebody killed himself in the 80s. Holy fuck, they call the meat train. It was great. Yeah, so I would go, I imagine you're just driving a train, you're like, you're cause no another one.

And like somebody's literally gonna die and there's nothing you can do about it. After a while, it's just about the paperwork. I'm told you're like, oh, fuck, sake. Like, now I gotta stay here. That is crazy. The way that like people hit a pigeon and they're like, oh, man.

Yeah, exactly. He didn't even be hit like, being like, fucking paperwork. But regardless, and then Brian's mom, not to leave her out, it was also a fucking worker, she's a nurse and shit. All these people did jobs that they were like,

we're gonna give you money if you'll do this thing. And all of those people, I'm sure, man to a woman would have been like, I'm never doing this unless you give me money to do this. We got to grow up and have jobs where it's like a pleasure to go to work, where your job is literally to be like, today I had to remember a TV show that I watched years ago. Like as the hardest heavy lifting,

or, you know, today I had to wear a very expensive costume. That my friend handed me and I had to bring a Joker wig. But I was on that. It's pretty damn impressive. And kind of like how like me I recognize elements of my own story in that. And that's why I'm drawn to it in the first place. Not because the dude was so vastly different, though he was. From me, in weird ways, we were similar. And it was like nice for like to see like I think that's ultimately what I came down to I was like even though I don't do what that person does I recognize that person I recognize myself in that person the values that person has Or similar to fucking mine

When I look at tell them Steve Dave now that's all I feel is Kinship and a sense of like oh My god, that's just like me. Now it makes more sense in this instance since we all know each other, shit. But like there's like seas like in this instance as well. Like me going like, oh my God, they'll make a thing. They'll do a show, they'll do this.

They'll like all of that. And I don't want it to sound condescending but makes me like insanely fucking proud Because I do feel a small sense of like Same way. I'm always like if I didn't meet Walt Clerks doesn't happen. I don't meet Brian clerks doesn't happen. I don't meet Jay clerks doesn't happen I feel like I leave this world going if I'm the load star in this instance if I don't exist

This doesn't exist. We say that, and it makes, it gives me, and I don't mean that as a sense of like, and so hence, give me all the money. I mean it as a sense of like, this is gonna sound fucking weird. I've done a lot of things in life, and I'm proud of all the things I've done, and some of them are very obvious and big and stuff like that.

But one of the things I'm proudest all the things I've done and some of them are very obvious and big and stuff like that. But one of the things I'm proud of step is this and not because like, I created this, but because the, I just know that it wouldn't have happened if we all hadn't met. Like I know you two, if we'd never met you two would never be sitting around going like, we should start one of them podcasts for years so much about that.

You guys wouldn't know each other. I say constantly, you come in for it. My life is not even recognized, but you can trace it back further to like, I need to meet Walter or else, and I need to like apparently it took eight fucking months, but I needed to reach Walter to enter Walter's world and stuff. And then that is, that's the mini bang or the big bang.

It's the beginning of my fucking universe, the universe that would come to put food on my table and fucking like, you know, get me respect in the world where people like, I like you. I live a life where, and I'm sure you recognize this and you recognize this and you'll probably recognize this. You probably more than most because TV fucking makes you everybody's relative. But I live a life where people just fucking are smile when they see me and don't fucking have, don't feel the need to say anything more than like, I love everything you do and fucking move on.

Yeah. do and fucking move on. Yeah. That, for a person like me, the personality, the, you know, type that I am, that's more important than fucking money. That kind of like, oh my God, fucking respect. And it probably has a lot to do with Jersey, like, you know, fucking feeling always shit on or whatever to fucking not good enough or whatever to fuck.

Stan, I look in New York. Yeah. You know, living next to New York. Yeah, I live in next New York, it was just fucking hurt sometimes, but like it is, that is worth more than any piece of currency that I've accrued across like 27 years of making things, because you can't fucking spend that and it cannot be minted but once.

That's, that you and me don't meet. I don't have that in life where some people are just like, fucking love your shit man and I say to them, thank you and it's a brief exchange, but I go on my day and I feel like a million fucking bucks. I have something that a lot of people don't have in life. This fucker didn't have that years ago and that's why he was like, I got one foot on the stool, nobody fucking cares. I don't even need, I love my wife to death, but like she hates the fact that I'm like, I'm glad that you love me, but I get that everywhere.

What I need from you is sex. And sex is what we do, love, I can get on the street. And I take that for granted all the time because it's just been my life for a quarter of a century now, but that moment'm a little bit of a fan of the world. I'm a little bit of a fan of the world. I'm a little bit of a fan of the

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world. I'm a little bit of a fan of the world. I'm a little bit of a fan of the world. I'm a little bit of a fan of the world. I'm a little bit of a fan. I can point, I look, I spend a lot of time. Are you a writer before you, Manny? But I didn't write clerks. And what did I write? I wrote SNL type sketches. But like, I meet you, you introduced me to him. And he is the key to clerks, because he's Randall. So like, your sensibility is very close to his,

but as we all know, Brian is a singular individual. So Brian manifests Randall and stuff. So I don't ever write, and then also add to it, I don't meet Jason Mews unless I meet him through Walter and Brian. So Randall and Jay don't exist. What do I make a movie about fucking Dante? You did? Well, with Dante, not about Dante. So, yeah, no, I can't point to that and be like, that is true.

Walter and I did this recently. I won't go deep into it. So, buddy, you love music, don't you? Yes, I love music. You love listening to it. Nice and loud, right? Yes. But that drives data crazy.

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fairly recently. And in one of the, if this is going to make you uncomfortable, you kill it. But I know on Tezdie, sometimes you guys go therapeutically and stuff. Walter at one point brought up like a me smoking weed as what problematic or like. Recently? Yes. And honestly only wants to me in my entire life. Right. Which I said to him, I was like, Walter, I'm so glad that you didn't do this when I first started smoking weed. I was like, because I guarantee you, I would have stopped smoking weed, because I know my relationship with Walter and I got where I am in life by going like, he thinks that's cool, like fucking good, that's cool.

So if you had ever sat me down and been like, you probably, you were fucking weed addict and you probably shouldn't smoke weed, I definitely would have fucking stopped, because it would have scared me, like scared me straight or something like that. However, my point to Walter during all that was, and it was like an hour conversation was,

I can draw to a referee three hours. Well, you smoking weed like that, and the guy that says, was I? No, I don't think, no, I was, I was too flabbergasted to light up. I was like, what? But Walter's pointbergasted to light up. I was like what But Walter's point was like he said something that was like and it scared me for a second because he goes We were in the midst of said like a fucking heated discussion, but he was like, you know what? Like I've been a bad fucking friend to you because I never fucking said something to you

I should have said something two years ago and I've been a bad friend you guys like what are you talking about? He's like, you know what? I shouldn't even be saying, I don't wanna say this. And I was fucking terrified because I'm like, what is it? What's your wife? Yeah, I mean, but I thought wouldn't have made me mad as much as I'm like, really? Like, fucking managed.

And you waited until now? Why didn't you let me cook it out? I'm like, you, I like her. It would have been a great night for me. But it was, it was, it was instead, it was like him gone. I think you, I think you're, what was the exact, I don't want to fucking rephrase it.

I said, I said I failed you as a friend because I didn't, I didn't really ever tell you how I thought you were smoking way too much. It wasn't that, it wasn't that. It was, it was, that was it wasn't that, it was, it was, that was the general idea, but it was a much more, yes. You were verbiage, it was a little more.

You're a fucking addict, that's that, that was the words. I think junkie was the word. You didn't know junkie, that would have, that would have like really fucking charged me. You took methods on those things. No, this is not my story, did you? But all of these things are called on kind of waters down maybe in a junkie, I feel like. Well, I really like, I really try. I would go, I would, this is not my story. Did you know that? But all of these things are calling them kind of waters down, maybe in a junkie, I feel like.

Well, yeah, because like, you know, I really tried. I would go to, I would, I've gone to him and I've told him. He told me this and this I didn't know. In his house and I was just like, it smells like teaching charm stuff. Yes, this is fucked up, I said, because I drove by your house and I could smell. I could smell pot commander house.

That is fucked up. I said, and I, someone should tell you that it's fucked up, but I wouldn't tell you that though, and I don't think it was so just awkward just I guess. Why, just said, number one, please never come to my house then. You'll be punished to me. You'll be a mile away. You'll be punished.

All fair just bullshit. It was a fan and I spoke to the fan, so it blows it out the window. But also, I'm gonna take you back one other step. Oh, neighbor, oh, my God. I'm not a truckie. But also, I'm gonna take you back one of the stuff. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. I'm not a junkie. I'm a neighbor, I'm a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie.

Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie.

Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie.

Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I'm not a junkie. Oh, neighbor, I guess because I come from a... I'm just the type of person that's just like, I see, like if you're doing it that much, there could be a problem. There's a part in the documentary that Malcolm made called Clerk, which is coming out, which all three of the boys are interviewed in at various points. But Walter's interview is probably the most charming,

because at one point, like you hear Malcolm go, he's been high every day for the last 10 years talking about me. And Walter goes, that's not true. And he goes, no, it's true. And Walter goes, there's no anyone could do the same thing every day for 10 years straight. Number one, what's charming about that to me is it's said by the guy sitting in the same comic book store for 20 years He said chicken figures every fucking day Impossible to keep a streak going But it was like when I watch it was very like he doesn't like he does like for a minute It was like that I can't be true that wouldn't be true because it's also like it's a feeling of guilt on my part

I'm like I never say anything that I never anything. That's what he said on the phone. He was like I was so like I'm fucking I should have told you and stuff. And in for a second, I was like, oh my god, this is like the talk that I would have had with you. Somebody I considered an addict. And I was like, I'm the addict now. I'm being like I'm the one who's being focused on. So my point to Walt was like, Walt, like honestly, I could trace everything that we do back to weed and Walt's like, that's not true. And he's like clerks and I was like clerks, of course not.

I said, but everything from Tellum Steve Dave forward, I said literally I can draw a line from weed to everything that you guys have done for the last 10 years and he was like, oh shit, I was like, here we go. As a Tellum Steve Dave was born from a stoner. The guy who wanted to do a podcast called Joint Counter-Joint, then it was shaped by a fucking stoner,

edited, renamed by a stoner, put out on a stoner's podcast network, which only existed because I was a stoner at that point in life. I was like, it's fucking to a podcast network. Would that be fucking badass? Why don't we have more in one show? So I was like, it's marinated. The beginning of fucking Tom Steve Dave

is marinated in fucking weed. And not to mention the fact that Brian used to smoke weed and stuff like that. As I said, so Tom Steve Dave has weed all over and stuff. I was like comic book man. And he was like comic book man would have happened without weed. You can't tell me weed did that.

So Walter, comic book man was pitched in a smoke session, which are them at Clionlin' going like, Fff, am see wants to make a show after a new walking dead. They want to do geek show. He got any ideas. And I was like, though, but you know what he should do? We'll be a cheap fucking geek show is you should do like porn stars, but in a comic book store, because comic book stores, like now people know what they are. It's not like just comic book guy. Like there's a mass awareness of what a comic book store is you couldn't do this years ago, you can totally do the fucking now.

As you just gotta go out and find the most a Serbic comic book store, fucking staff in the world. Like you just do a nationwide search and shit and then you go shoot them because comic book people, they're a Serbic and funny and shit like that. And we worked on that for a month. He was like, oh, he goes, I'll take it back to AMC. And he called me up the next day and he was like, grab a joint and I was like, why is

it like, I got to tell you something. I said, all right, I lit up. He's like, I fucking took that idea to AMC. I was like, get the fuck out of here. It's like, they liked it. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah, they want to do fucking a sizzle reel and shit. They're going to give us 10 grand. I said, 10 grand, what does a sizzle really go? It's like basically a pilot, but a shortened version of what the show will be. And I said, it's 10 grand all off of the sizzle scissors really goes, we're probably burned through it on the location alone. And I was like, what do you mean?

He's like, well, we got to find a comic book store. We can't find the world's most disturbing comic book store staff. We don't know if we have a show. So we have to shoot a scissors reel. We just have to find a local comic book store and make it seem like this is what the show would be. I was like, so you need people on camera? And he said, yeah.

And I was like, all right. I was like, well, I got on camera?" And he said, yeah. And I was like, all right. I was like, well, I got a comic book store. That was the first time I'd mentioned it, like in a month. And he was like, what do you mean? You own a car. I said, yeah, he goes, why don't you say that? I was like, it sounds braggie. I don't like to say it out loud.

But yeah, I own a comic book store. He goes, we can fucking shoot it there. That's the show he's going. It's not a comic book store. You own a comic book store. And I was like, well, I'll tell you what, man. I said, the guys at the store, they do a podcast called Tell them Steve Dave. They're really fucking funny, man.

So tonight, I'm gonna send you some links, fucking smoke up and listen to the first five episodes and tell them Steve Dave. So Charlie went home, fucking smoked up, and then Charlie called me up the next day and he goes, you're a fucking idiot. This is the show. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, these two fuckers who sound like they've been married for 10 years, man. Like, they're hysterical. We got to meet him and shit. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, these two fuckers who sound like they've been married for 10 years. Man, like they're hysterical. We got to meet him and shit. I was like, really?

Fantastic. Oh my god. I said, well, the problem is they're not really into TV. Like they like watching it, but I don't think they want to be on it and shit. And sure, of course, of course, when I asked both of them, they were like, oh, fuck no. Brian's big thing was, I don't want to look like an asshole,

which is perfectly Brian Johnson. But not Brian Johnson anymore. Brian Johnson I knew was that guy. I was like, I'm not your wolf. Yeah, it's now, now he's just like, does we have like big Batman, please? But isn't that going on the assumption to know that like if you're not high,

you won't come up with any ideas? Oh, that's a ludicrous stuff. Only, but only I could point to the fact that there was a time I wasn't high and didn't come up with any of these ideas. So in proof, I can actually point to that, yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? You know, I feel like you're selling yourself so sure.

But do you get what I'm saying? If I could have done all those things without being a smoker, I would have, but I didn't. They didn't happen until I was a smoker. Never in a million years would I have said to John McClown, I'm like, you should do a TV show about a gon book store unless I was fucking stoned.

And never in a million years would he have been like, I'm gonna take that. So if you weren't smoking, you don't think you would have, you don't think that, that meeting wouldn't even have happened in the first place. The only reason the meeting happened was at least, who was, at least Sidon was responsible for comic book men. She was the guy, the lady who knew fucking Charlie and put us in the room and she was like,

at least I don't, she good. My friend wants to talk to you. And I was like, ah, with all due respect respect like I'm good. I don't need to and she's like he just talked to AMC And I was like oh AMC they make madman. I like madman a lot. What is he talking about? She's like he I don't he just wants to talk to you about doing a show and I never take those meetings But she was like he's a stoner and I was like oh all right while fucking I'm gonna be smoking weed anyway So Charlie wants to come and talk, have him come over. And it was all born in a blaze of smoke.

So he goes back and listens to the show, falls in love with it, and then he decides that like these guys are the show. And so that's when you guys get introduced to AMC, AMC comes down and meets people and shit like that. So the whole of comic book men is born in a haze of smoke, literally born out of weed. And I can honestly tell you, if I wasn't a stoner, I would not have been that balzy.

I became much freer when I became a stoner, much more out of myself. I was always trying to keep up an image that I thought I had to keep up. And then when I became a stoner, I just let go of that all. And I was like, I don't care what it looks like

or what I look like or what people think about. I got one life, I'm gonna do this shit, cause this sounds fun and shit. And it just freed me up for the possibilities. Like if you listen to the first few podcasts, like the first year of smartcast, completely different show from what it became. The first year of smartcast would never

birth to tell them Steve Dave. But the second year of smartcast, when I'm a stoner, like after I do Zach and Mirion, I'm like, oh, fuck life. when I'm when I'm a stoner like after I do Zach and Miriam, I'm like a fuck life. And I just become a flat out stoner. I'm like, this will help my career. This will help my fucking marriage and shit like that.

Once I embrace that suddenly I was like, you know what? I'm thinking way too seriously about all this shit. Like it's a miracle that any of this fucking shit happened. And why are you so serious? You made fucking clerks.

Like, you know, I was always out there positioning myself as serious writer and shit like that. And it's like, throw you made clerks and mall rats. Like you're fucking lean into it, man, lean into it. So once I started smoking weed, I leaned into everything in a big bad way. So those things wouldn't happen if I was a stoner, not a stoner, because I've been like, not meeting with some fucking guy that you know, like, no, I've got my own thing going on here. So definitely that began in smoke. And then comic book men, unfortunately, comes to a fucking conclusion. And the first call that went out was about Brian. Nobody was concerned about Walter because Walter had a job at the

stash and shit. And also for years, Walter was always like, is this show over yet? And he grew to enjoy it and love it and embrace it. And I still maintain to this day. And I don't even say this facetiously or just because we're friends and I'm obviously very affectionate about you. But knowing you and knowing the role that you played on that show, it's a crime that you did not get an Emmy. And I'm not talking about an Emmy for reality TV. I'm talking about best actor in a fucking anything.

So and you can see like as the seasons go on, how much better he gets like where fake Walt is like, it's good. It's the moment they start letting him do shit and they start that by the end of first season when they do the commercial episode. Yeah. Because that captured his imagination and that's that Walt is the Walt that is responsible for what you guys do now. The wall to like, I think being on that set of comic book, man, really would also like, you know, kickstarted some sort of like, Oh, okay, that's how you do it. And that's how you do this. Probably.

You guys can do this. Like what do you want to do? And it's like, well, I want to do this. Like, okay. And then it came on the heels too of you, no, well, now you have to do this. Like comic book men was something that was done for and around you. But when you start the Patreon, then you're like, I've got, I'm responsible for creating content.

Without content, we don't have an audience. Without an audience, there is no fucking point. So you are forced into a position of like, we got to create stuff. And now you get to make all the calls. Like it's not like, you know, Brian Michelle was a wonderful, but Brian Michelle at the end of the day could be like, well, don't do this or let's leave this out or something like that. He could say if we did it, yeah, he could take it out afterwards. Take it out afterwards. Now this is something where

like you have complete control and authority over it. So it production came at the right time. Like it's never once during comic book, man, did you look around and be like, we should do this. But it was necessity was the mother of invention. And suddenly you realize that you have tools to actually do this fucking thing because you've sat around watching other people do it. And also you've gotten help from outside fuckers and then go and they, hey, man, fucking come help us because you got a fan base that's creative as fuck.

All right. We're going to put a pin in it again, man. Our ongoing conversation, a smart guest, a Tezzi conversation. First hour was over on smart guest. Second hour, you've been listening to right here on the Tezzi podcast, we're watching it happen on their Patreon.

Third hour, we're gonna break right here, and there's gonna be a third hour of this shit. You don't wanna miss the third fucking hour, particularly if you're a stoner, God damn it. Third hour of this shit will be on smart want to miss the third fucking hour, particularly if you're a stoner, God damn it. Third hour of this shit will be on smogcast and on my YouTube channel, the Kevin Smith YouTube challenge stuff. But for now, we stop that conversation.

You got to end your show proper though. I feel like I'm doing too much talking on your show. Yeah, I was wondering, I was like, won't you say, tell him Steve Dave? I was, tell him Steve Dave. How am I Steve Dave?