The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - #1729 Work, Love, Play

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Adam and Drew talk about the post -Covid cultural climate in New York and how everyone looks different from each other. Adam gets into how his high school diploma really didn't do anything for him and how learning to discipline yourself is the best type of education. They discuss the issues with the "self esteem movement" and how living with dignity can't happen unless you work for a living. Please Support Our Sponsors: Angi.com BetterHelp.com/AdamAndDrew Justworks.com/Podcast

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if you're worried about the acoustics. But I'm just curious, yeah, it's actually sounded pretty good, but I'm curious what your thoughts on New York are. Because it's interesting to me that I've been coming here throughout COVID periodically, and it feels like it's back. New York's back, but it's back in kind of an odd way. It's like the tourists are sort of overrunning the place, and there's a kind of aggression or something in the air. It feels a little less safe than before COVID,

which was the case through COVID. Believe me, there was a lot of shit in the air like it feels a little less safe than before covid which which was the case through covid believe me there was a lot of shit in the streets people were afraid to go out be afraid of subways but now it has kind of a i don't know it's almost like it's this like too many people running around like people are sort of agitated i'm um you know what I always think about whenever I walk around New York is the crazy variety of humans and the shapes, the sizes, the colors, the ethnicities, the hairstyles. You know what I mean? Like there's so many different versions of human beings here. And you don't really see it in Orange County. You don't really see it. And by the way, you wouldn't see it in Pacoima

or the San Fernando Valleys. There's a lot of Mexican guys, you know, or Glendales, like Armenian guys. You know, this is just this crazy potpourri of humanity. And, you know, it's interesting. And I like walking everywhere as much as I can walk, you know. And I don't know. You know, I guess what it is, there's a couple of things, which is when I'm in New York, I want to just eat.

I want to eat and enjoy myself. I want to enjoy dinner. I've noticed I drink a lot more alcohol here. Yeah, yeah. Everything. I want to do everything that's bad for me. And then I will pay the fiddler by walking everywhere all the time. But I end up just passing throngs of humanity.

And this is this part where it's like there's a narcissistic part of me where you just see sort of the fat chick with the big hair, and you go, look at her. She's miserable. You know what I mean? And then I would go like, because I would be miserable if I was fat and had huge hair. But she's like 27, and she's not miserable.

Yeah. And she's looking forward to going out tonight. Yeah. And then she's eating something that's horrible. And I'm like, you're eating too many churros, bitch. But I'm thinking like, oh, poor you. But then I realized she's got her phone. She's got her friends.

She's doing what she wants to do. And then she's got some weird tattoo. And I'm like, why'd you waste your money on that stupid tattoo? But I just sort of walk around looking at people going, what the hell's wrong with you? But they're having the time. They're living their life, you know. And I'm sure they're looking at me going, old fuck, what's he want?

My wife, dude, doesn't know shit. But I also laugh, and I always bring this up to you when they go, when they do that thing where it's like, scared of people who look different than them. It's like, that is the most insulting, insane allegation ever. And could you imagine, you walk through the city of Manhattan and everyone looks different. Yeah. Everyone.

It would be literally impossible. Let's just say, as Joe Biden would say, or any of the race hustlers, because it's sad. It's sad now that Joe Biden is essentially a race hustler. Now he's not very different than Al Sharpton. And Barack Obama is a race hustler now. And so is Michelle Obama, which is a sad thing to admit. But it's true. And it's not hyperbole.

They talk about racism nonstop. But let's just say, let me give you an example. There are things I'm i'm scared of um i don't like bugs for instance i i'm not i'm not weirdly whatever about bugs but i was like i i don't really like bugs you know you like porn where women are crushing bugs i don't i don't know anyone who likes bugs but but I'm kind of bothered. You know, like anybody, get the spider on the ceiling or whatever the hell it is, right?

If I, in fact, walk down the streets of Manhattan and were scared of people who look different than me, then it would be like I was walking through a jungle with bugs. Yes, yes. And I would not go out.

You wouldn't come to New York. I wouldn't come to New York. I certainly wouldn't walk everywhere if that was really my code. You know, scared of people. Like, scared of who? That chick's fat. She's got crazy hair. She doesn't pose a threat to me.

You know, but my way of life. You know, whatever. It's the most racist thought in the world but i i do not there's no way you could navigate new york if you were scared of people who didn't look like you as a matter of fact i see very few people that look like me the majority are something other than me oh for sure which is completely and utterly fine not just fine it's celebrated them it's great but but here's a here's a thing though i don't know how great it is but how dare you uh i i argue you know i i try to look at the more positive aspects of some of the excesses of our current moment.

And I do think that like any social trend, there's some good to be extracted from it. And you mentioned somebody who's overweight with big hair. That's not just celebrated now. That's given status. That has spread. That's close to other things that are given status, like being transgender or gay. These things are given, they're elevated for that. And okay. I mean, it may not be the healthiest thing for her,

but if she can be celebrated for that, good. Well, first off, it's weird to want to be celebrated in general. Yeah, we don't want to be celebrated. But number two, celebrated for something that you're not really in control of, it seems very bizarre to me. Also, it's the whole self-esteem movement. You know, it's like the second, I remember we were just talking recently,

my daughter's here, she was laughing about me in high school and whatever, but she was laughing about me not getting my diploma or whatever. But I remember like sitting at my high school graduation, I didn't get my diploma for because i owed the book room money but you know i remember sort of sitting there looking at the other 500 people that basically you know made it through north hollywood high kind of going i'm just joined a group of sort

of nobodies who are like kind of going nowhere and we did the least amount possible and we get a piece of paper that says you know you're sort of average or you're you're a citizen now or or something like i remember a citizen i just mean like i it's like i and they you know they didn't give me my diploma and they're like go give the book room 19 and you can get your diploma and I was like do I want my diploma what and by the way what is I have we what have I done that's different than anybody else with this diploma yeah you know what I mean and it's like it meant nothing right not to mention that the people that have it framed and hanging up on their wall like it's just a piece of paper that says you sort of faked your way through you know high school it was like that you had some friends though in the hebrew heights and

whatnot and um gad and those guys that were studying a bit right oh yeah i mean i i think i think and they went but i got the same piece of paper they got that's my whole point it it meant something to them and they used it to do something with it meaning go to college yeah i i mean it didn't i they never cared about it but they went off to do something i didn't go off to do anything and i wasn't gonna need to present the diploma to my foreman mike stromat who was handing a shovel to tell me to get in a hole. You know what I mean? Like carpet cleaning didn't require a diploma.

Nothing required a diploma that I was doing. I never filled out an application. I've still never filled out an application for a job. Wow. I mean, I went from, you know, cleaning carpets, essentially. I mean, I filled out an application at McDonald's, you know, when I was 16. All right, well, there you go. I went from, you know, cleaning carpets for Art Fuss to, you know, walking onto a job site and picking up garbage, you know, tearing ivy off the side of the house. To, you know, teaching boxing, which it of the house to you know teaching boxing which it

wasn't have to do any application stuff to like sort of building myself you know to doing a character on a radio show like there really was never any what's your history what are your goals with this company you know what i mean like no interviews certainly no interviews no applications no proof of like where's your diploma and what kind of education do you have and how much training, how much college you have. I went through an entire life out of the system, so to speak. So did most of my friends.

It was a weird way. And that's, by the way way why now when people are like you know you gotta study and you gotta you gotta get your that degree and you gotta focus on you know whatever and you gotta and i'm always like or not well you know like well hang on now we were sort of talking i'm an outlier i get it but it's like it never even made sense to me but you though we had a conversation with your daughter last night where you were sort of going hey here's somebody that did do that talk to him what were you thinking i was telling her talk to you yeah yeah about studying and stuff what it takes to go to medical school and blah blah blah i didn't want you to scare her but it was no i i told i told

my problem with my kids is not about i want them to get a job at mcdonald's and everyone looks at me like what no what do i got old yeah i go no you're rich okay okay let them learn to work let them work let them do something they don't want to do for a prolonged period of time and focus on it's like but they don't want to do for a prolonged period of time and focus on it. It's like, but they don't have to. This is the problem with everyone. It's like, why should they make hamburgers? You drive a Mercedes.

And it's like, I don't know. It's like saying, why should they exercise? Why should they go to school? Why should they do anything? I don't know. Because you need to learn how to discipline yourself and do things. That's why. But no, it's literally like going, why should they have to exercise or something?

It's like, because it's good for them. I don't know. McDonald's is a shit job that teaches you how to work. That's all I want. I mean, I don't care i i would i probably told my son i'll pay him 200 a day to work at mcdonald's like i'll oh they're they're offering 13 bucks an hour i'll give you 25 an hour go work at mcdonald's see if you can last six months yeah that to me is you know it's not the real world but that to me is like these are important things in the world at least right right yeah oh yeah my goodness

i i always took the position that uh you know scholastic achievement and musical achievement could substitute for that like i think it can i think it can if you anything you don't want to do that you end up doing a lot of will exercise the same muscles this is this is down to that thing that those yale professors found this is something we brought up occasionally over the years there was this couple law professors they were they were looking at their classes and realized they were seeing patterns. It was mostly in these law schools that I believe they were seeing Nigerians, Jews, Chinese, and Mormons. Those were the four groups represented, overrepresented. And so they went in and studied and said said what is it about these groups that is getting

these kids to this point and it was delayed gratification it's all delayed gratification it's all that's everything it was a special purpose and then focus on education and there was oh all right um yeah i i guess we should take a break yeah time for a break yeah all right. Yeah, I guess we should take a break. Yeah, time for a break, yeah. All right, take a middle break. We'll be right back after this. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. And, of course, we all spend a lot of time taking care of other people.

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everyone is different there's different people respond to different things you know it's all this kind of fucking for cocked up a lot of it's chick think like talking about kids like not everyone's the same people though it's like everyone's the same fucking get to work you have to be able to work they're the same look we i don't forget what show you and i were talking about but where are we having this conversation probably coming over here or something to new york but but it's that the one mistake everybody makes is assuming that everyone else's brain works like your brain that's a major error however humans have certain characteristics that can be that respond to certain things reliably i mean without it's almost without exception yeah and this is one of those

things it doesn't matter how different your experience is of it or how differently you learn. It's the same thing you were saying about picking up a weight. Yeah, I get different joint function and I get different strengths and stuff. Pick up the weight. And maybe you don't like doing that. Okay, well, go run or play racquetball, whatever it is. Yes, there are differences, but really it's the same thing,

which is move, exercise. And it's the same thing which is move exercise and it's the same thing with disciplining yourself and scholastic performance and work just work generally look freud said it humans need work love play yeah that's it no i i i is in the self-esteem movement, we describe everyone as an individual who's different and not created the same. And you're the first and only one of these to come along. And it is true that I coined the phrase behind it. And I may be the only hero that's ever coined the phrase behind it or not i don't know but yes that is true now let's get back to exercise i can eat a bunch of sugary carbs not exercise and then i will get fat like every other human being right on the planet so even

though your metabolism is slightly different. Some people do faster than others, but okay. Am I different and unique in certain ways? Yes. There's everybody, you know, different and unique in certain ways.

As, as exemplified by be Hyman, by being the coiner of the phrase behind, which didn't exist. If Adam Crow was never born then also half mo oh half mo was by yeah well it was a buy that was not really why it was like all right okay the world would would would would not be as rich a tapestry as it is now if I was never born. There's no doubt about that. That's not what I'm here to argue. What I'm saying is I need to work.

I need to sweat. I need to exercise. And as we discussed previously, I would like to go out and eat a bunch of Chinese food tonight. But because I do not want to get morbidly obese, I then walk everywhere all day. Right. And,

um, and because, you know, it's almost like saying, well, you drop this pen, it hits the ground, but you drop that coffee mug and it floats.

It's like, no, no. So of gravity applies to all things. Um, you drop the pen. It's not not gonna put a dent in the floor uh you drop the mug it may harm the floor but it's gravity it'll affect every everything um some things may fall a little faster or leave a mark but it's gravity and we've lost our way with that in this society. In many ways, too, not just one.

It's like, you think gravity exists? I disagree. Right. Yeah, men are women, women are men. And when you're hearing, like, the Republicans are like, you know, you should be able to get welfare for six months, but then if you're able-bodied, you've got to look for a job, or whatever the criteria is. And then the democrats are like what what look for a job if you're able-bodied don't live off the government oh why are you being so cruel like it's just bizarre i don't know if you're having these conversations with people a lot more now where you're going,

no, I want him to get a job at McDonald's so he learns how to. Why are you doing that? It's like I'd like him to have a healthy relationship with work. Also, when he goes into McDonald's, I want him to look behind the counter and go, that used to be me. I respect what those people are doing. They're working hard. I get it.

I'm not going to sit here and go, oh, I said no pickles on this burger. There's pickles. God damn it. This is a disaster. I want you to have some empathy or at least be able to understand what it's like. Yeah. You know what I mean like I and and then appreciate like I'm walking to go do shows at a club or theater or something and I'm passing construction sites and I'm seeing

dudes do what I did you know pushing a broom you know sweeping up cleaning up moving stuff or whatever and I go yeah I used to do that and now i get to do this it makes me happy i can appreciate this new thing i'm doing because i did the old thing and i and i didn't like it well it's interesting because uh whenever i have seen celebrities or people that have high profile lives uh get a little i don't know seem to be spoiled or complaining about, you know, just don't seem to appreciate what they've got. I've noticed there's one common feature in the people that are really just, you don't really want to be around because of their entitlement and their demands and things. They've not had a job in the real world they they became an actor or performer something early and had success and didn't didn't never in the world so that's joe biden's problem

like he doesn't understand anything because he's been in government for 54 years like he's never ran a business or anything i can i feel the same way about so many politicians. You guys have never ran a business. How could you know anything? You know, just shut it down for two years or whatever it is. Like, you don't live in reality. You were talking to Dave Smith about this and about where the money goes and stuff. Elon Musk, to my mind, summarized it the best. He said, look, the government has a horrible record

of capital allocation and capital deployment and growth. Horrible. It's horrible. They have the worst distributor of capital in the system. No, I mean, the joke is, you know, oh, the Pentagon paid $70,000 for a toilet seat. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's a joke, but it's true.

They destroy their capital, and they misappropriate it and they don't use it productively. Yes. And as opposed to entrepreneurs who are the American entrepreneurs, particularly the peak, the peak at taking capital and making it grow and build

and turn into things. And he was like, I'd rather take my money and invest it rather than give it to the government who will take that same capital and destroy it. Yeah. Thomas Sowell had a quote which is basically, I'll paraphrase,

but it's like the most efficient spending of money is you spending money on yourself. And the second one is you spending money for somebody else like buying someone a present or something like that and then the third is not spending your money and not spending it on you or anyone you know that's the least efficient how how could it go any differently you know what i mean this is like it's not your money and you're spending it on not you well then of course it's not your money and you're spending it on not you. Well, then, of course, it's going to be the least efficient way. But the bigger question is, why are people cheering this on? Like, what is going on? And they're like, if they could get those, you know, Baltimore public schools spend 19,000 a pupil or 22, 000 a pupil or 22 000 a pupil or something and then every asshole

on the left is like well if we could get it to 26 000 of a kid then we could really get this thing fit and it's like homeless you know why do you think that's a why do you think that's an avenue to fix this and what are you basing it on? Because remember when they were spending $13,000 per kid, they had higher test scores. Now they're spending $22,000 and they have lower test scores. So what is your argument? And then when did all you people become this huge champion for big government, which seems to be the least efficient?

Yes, Elon Musk, 100%. Correct. Thomas Sowell, 100%. But what happened to everybody? Did they think that this is some avenue for some sort of effective governing? It's like, we're going to do the build back better. We're going to take $6 trillion. We're going to give it back to people.

It's like inmates taking this money. More inmates got money in California than citizens and then business owners. They're not capable of this. Why are we arguing about it? It's a bizarre. The record speaks for itself. 100%. So what are we talking about?

Listen, don't you remember Reagan's campaign comment, the scariest words in the English language? I'm from the government. I'm here to help you. Yes. Remember he used to say that? Yeah. And it's interesting, though,

this back and forth between what government can and can't do. I think it's worthy of some examination because I remember Bill Maher saying, you know, yes, I agree that capital allocation is more efficient, but he goes, look, I used to, when I was a kid, I couldn't see the mountains over here because of air pollution and the government cleaned that up. I'm going to vote for those guys because they were able to do this. And I thought, gosh, there are things the government is able to do that's why i know i'm not a full libertarian by the way but it's hard to know what those things are and then once they're in place how to how to slow them down that's the biggest

problem yeah bureaucracy really is the enemy more than government really no i. And, you know, anyone who wants to talk about shrinking that always gets my vote. It's also bizarre that it's just cheered on to build up that bureaucracy. It's weird. And it's weird that it's attractive to a lot of people. I don't think they know this, but they're cheering, really. I don't think they quite get that. Well, they do this thing, and my mom would do it all the time like they'd go what's so wrong with a rich guy paying just a little bit more so these kids could eat yeah

you know and it's like oh i find i have great difficulty with that statement bitch you know what i mean like i flushed off fuck you i hate when they do that you know what I mean? Like, I first thought, fuck you. I hate when they do that. You know what I mean? They do this condescending over, yeah, the stuff that no one would disagree with. Nobody would disagree with somebody who had just an abundance of money paying a little bit more just so the kids could eat. You know, it's like, yeah, I don't see evidence of that working is what I'm saying right also um these kids are gonna have to learn how to hunt for themselves not worry about the fat cat paying

a little bit more so they could eat but and by the way what does me paying into something have to do with you you know what i mean like all right i'll pay a little bit more so you can be educated so you can eat so you can thrive what what's that have to do with me or him you know why are we even breaking it down along those lines like what's what's wrong with just giving a little more so these people can have something we just talked about government functioning properties. You mean they can have something? You having something is going to be based on me paying a little bit more? Then who gives it to you? And then how long does it last? And then what about your dignity?

Don't you want to earn? You want to earn things? Is it going to get people up on their feet and earning? Or is it just going down the toilet more? Just giving people handouts and then and by the way could you ever do anything that resembled thriving no if you're basically based on your life would be based on panhandling essentially like trying to get elon musk to pay some more so I can live.

You know what I mean? Is that ever going to work? Are there examples of it working? It's interesting, though, how panhandling is now a job. It's like we just, it used to be something people like, hey, don't you value your dignity? You don't really want to be like that. Now it's like, no, that's an option.

But what is the difference between the government just going and getting stuff so you can live and that part i like do is when they go so you can live in dignity and dignity not working yeah live with dignity yeah oh really it just seems like the opposite of living in dignity is getting people to give you free shit. All right. Well, another fine episode from Drew's condo in Manhattan. Dig it. It's drawn to an end. You can go to adamkroll.com for all the live shows.

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