The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - I'll Gladly Sue You Tuesday for an Operation Today (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)

Episode Date: July 15, 2023

Adam and Dr. Drew open the show discussing the state of healthcare in America and Drew presents some of his non-expert (but highly informed) thoughts on what kind of changes we could possibly implemen...t in an effort to improve things. Later Adam is joined by Dr. Bruce as they take calls, first from a father who had to give up skydiving and then from a listener who has mixed feeling about finding a therapist. Finally, Dr. Drew is back as the pair stay with the phones and speak to a caller wondering what the fallout will be from the media's misleading reports on COVID.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics. First up for today, episode 1115, released July 12th, 2019, titled The Nimbleness of the Brain. Adam and Dr. Drew opened the show up discussing the state of healthcare in America, as Drew presents some of his non-expert but highly informed thoughts on improvements to the system. I'm glad Drew is here for a change. Yeah. For a change.
Starting point is 00:00:36 Not for nothing. That was about the best insult you've ever thrown my way. I'm just saying. It was a soft... It reminds me of one of those Bugs Bunny cartoons where he throws a slow ball and people start swinging it. That's right. I want to take a little dive into healthcare. So let me preface our conversation by saying I am not an expert in public health.
Starting point is 00:01:03 I'm looking from the ground up and thinking of solutions. And I'm no expert in this, so please don't take everything I say as some sort of gospel, but I have some ideas. I have some ideas, and I think I know where the problems are. Well, I'm somewhere in between why does the two Tylenol at the hospital, why is it $77 on the bill? And health care, world-class health care, it's not a right that we can just provide for everyone all the time. I don't think anything, I don't think health care or education or anything is like just a right. I think you have to participate in it. And if you participate in it, your experience is going to vary.
Starting point is 00:01:51 So with that in mind, if you're destitute and you have been shot, you must be able to go somewhere. You must take care of that. And there must be a school within your neighborhood you can walk to. Right. But it may not be great. Okay. So you're advocating initially for sort of some sort of multi-tiered or two-tiered system, which I agree with, that there should be some sort of system for people that really have no resources.
Starting point is 00:02:20 And there's evidence that even those folks should have some also skin in the game. It helps how we relate to the products that we're purchasing. Yes, I completely agree. Even if it's a dollar. You know what I mean? No, a thousand – when we used to do speaking engagements, we'd tell them, charge the students a dollar. Don't make it free. They don't care about it.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Right. Free is – humans don't value things they get for free. They tend to not relate to it properly. It's just – it's an axiom in economics. So some nominal nothing that – even that could be waived if necessary. But so there's got to be one system that is available and another system that has some sort of market force attached to it, right? Where there is – where exceptional services is perhaps rewarded somehow. And it could even be the same doctors working in both systems.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Well, I like the idea. There's a bunch of stuff I like. I like the sort of sous chef kind of thing, where if you can take this nurse and get them qualified to do X, Y, or Z, and they make a third of what a doctor might charge for the same whatever, that we don't need... Well, you could even have kiosks doing this. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:03:31 You could have technology doing this stuff. We don't need the best and the brightest giving shots and putting on band-aids and stuff. Let's have different levels. My profession has been way too territorial and all that. They need to let that go well it's your profession and probably insurance stuff where it's like we need a board certified blah blah blah lawyers right like okay let's first realize that if you drive drew yeah i was right i was driving down melrose the other night. I like passed the Jiffy Lube, you know, and the Jiffy Lube. I noticed there were like four fat Mexican guys like sort of sitting in the back, like doing something.
Starting point is 00:04:12 And I was like, these guys aren't world class mechanics. They couldn't work on an F1 team and they couldn't rebuild a car engine, but they can work at Jiffy Lube. And they can figure out how to do the oil change and the filter change. And the technology of medicine is such that it's very much equivalent. The urinary tract infections, the upper respiratory infections, you could do it at a kiosk. They do it in England that way. That's what I'm saying. Let's get people that don't need 14 years of training and hundreds of thousands of dollars in schooling to do –
Starting point is 00:04:47 Right. Let's take the burden off of and have a jiffy lube. Yes. If you're not going to get your transmission rebuilt at a jiffy lube, they'll just get the fluids topped off. And you could argue that perhaps you also at the same location ought to have available what are called physician extenders, which would be nurse practitioners and physician assistants that a physician would oversee, would review the work they're doing every day. And that is a pretty good system that will then push through hopefully people that need
Starting point is 00:05:18 more care, right? And that can be done very inexpensively. To do that, you first have to have tort reform. You can't do any of this without the lawyers out of this. You've got to get the lawyers and the insurance company out of this. Well, it's funny. I've heard 10,000 discussions about these evil drug companies. I've not heard one peep about the fucking lawyers.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Not a peep. It's all the discussions about the drug companies. A majority of the cost and paperwork to get a drug through the fda legal well how come i don't hear any politicians talking about lawyers right i just hear evil drug companies i hear evil insurance evil drug but where's the third corner yeah that is lawyers yeah so that has to happen for this to be free to take effect. Then there's another layer to this that's a relative, which we're about to have a physician shortage, a really serious one, because doctors are sick of practicing medicine. They're dropping out like crazy.
Starting point is 00:06:18 It's a very unpleasant way to make a living. And so they're leaving. And not only are you going to have a shortage over all the physicians, we already have sort of a glut of subspecialists. So that's probably going to be okay. Where you're going to have a real problem is in primary care. Because primary care has been put upon more than any other part of medicine. So something has to be done to make primary care more attractive. It has to be unburdened administratively, unburdened legally. Something as simple as here's this one thing that would make everything work as opposed to practicing legal medicine, which is to satisfy the lawyers. Well, do we not – when I hear Kamala Harris talk about this, how come she doesn't weave in the lawyers?
Starting point is 00:07:17 So there's two layers to the lawyer thing. One is tort reform and the other is it was my opinion that that was the right move to make. That's all you need to do. And here's my thinking. Now, if the thinking is flawed or insufficient or weak, go ahead and attack that. But if it's just because you didn't order a CAT scan that you didn't need, no. It was the doctor's opinion at the time that that was an adequate move. And there should be some substantiation in the literature for those moves too.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So you have to be able to defend yourself. So fine. Fine. So, okay. So that would say billions right there. Then how about for kids that want to go into primary care medicine – and by primary care, I mean internal medicine, family practice particularly, but also psychiatry, gynecology, and pediatrics. But really pediatrics, family practice, and internal medicine are the three that have just been eviscerated. They're just horrible to – in many cities, horrible to practice.
Starting point is 00:08:07 How about you say, we'll pay for your medical school? You go into primary care, pay for your medical school. Done. Paid for. That's a $200,000 advance right this, like they say, holistic approach, which is I would like to talk about a lot of preventable shit too. And I'd do a little less talk about secondhand smoke and a little more about childhood obesity and diabetes,
Starting point is 00:08:43 like all the stuff, the unhealthy choices that people are making. All that is under that trauma. Right. So we're going to talk about mental health. I'd like to talk about all that. Yeah. Number one, and also, God, you see some of these people walking around at 400 pounds and they're 26 years old and they're like, how much is that person
Starting point is 00:09:06 going to cost me? They're going to need knee replacement, hip replacement. I mean, they're just going to go, go and go and go. Like my first thing is, is what are we talking about in terms of what does a fit person cost the system, someone who looks after themselves versus someone who doesn't. And I would argue though that should be separated from the medical delivery system because physicians and nurses are too busy dealing with disease. The guy that took out my prostate, I don't want him thinking about my diet.
Starting point is 00:09:37 I want him perfecting that procedure. He did 1,400 of them, zero complication. That's what I want. I don't want him thinking about my nutritional needs. Forget it. No, I agree. First things first. We need to educate.
Starting point is 00:09:54 The schools, let's think about, you know, I never thought about it, but you think about it. I'll think about it. I didn't learn jack shit at school. And one of the many things I didn't learn is really anything about nutrition at all. And the slop shop had sticky buns and horrible pizza, big square doughy pizza. It was a carb-loading corn syrup factory that was like the vegetables were canned and for the Korean War and like surplus. It was like everything was a stupid mess. So to this day, I've never smelled anything like my grammar school's cafeteria.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Right. But when I get something like it, I have like an emotional reaction. All right. So why not? Why not start coaching the kids up? So why not start coaching the kids up? I don't mean commercials about eating more vegetables like PSAs in between TMZ. I'm talking about like a real education on what your body – how your body works and what goes on. The problem is – I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I think we should make that effort. But there's a giant distance between information and knowledge, information and behavior. Yeah. Yeah. So they'd have to work on that piece, the change in the behavior. Well, that's where it begins. But what do you think of my ideas? They're all pretty good, right?
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, of course. Yeah. So I can't argue with that. This is a skit. And up next, we have episode 373, released July 12, 2016, titled O for Life. Adam is joined by Dr. Bruce as they take calls, first from a father who had to give up skydiving, and then from a listener who has mixed feelings about finding a therapist. Somebody gave up skydiving when he became a dad.
Starting point is 00:11:48 John? Yeah. What's going on, man? Yeah, so, well, I found out that I was going to be a dad about five years ago, and I had to quit skydiving because it's pretty dangerous. But I was pretty cool with it for the last couple of years, but over the last couple of years, rather, it's all I can think about. When it's a sunny, beautiful day, all I want to do is just go out and jump.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Hey, hold on. How statistically dangerous is skydiving? Because it's not going to work with your wife wife because they're not number crunchers. But my wife would let my daughter – son's not going to do it. But she would actually lobby for getting Natalia horseback riding lessons. She would never in a million years lobby for her to ride a motorcycle, off-road motorcycle. Statistically, I think it's more dangerous to ride the horse. I would think so.
Starting point is 00:12:52 But she wouldn't be interested in that number. She likes horses. And I wouldn't care if she rode a horse, but I just want to be clear that if she can ride a horse, then she should be able to ride a dirt bike. I think you're profiling again. I'm only using numbers. I know. I use a count. I use an abacus to profile.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Anyway. Oh, Gary has stats. But the point is, is how statistically dangerous is skydiving? Because your wife might be completely okay with you driving a two-seater convertible car, and that could be statistically more dangerous than skydiving. I would imagine the wife is going to have to get an angle of, well, yeah, the statistics here are eight in a million jumps,
Starting point is 00:13:36 but your second one, you're then testing fate. And by the time you get to your 30th one, I mean, I don't think that's logical, but a lot of women in my life do stuff like that. Which is statistically the same for every jump. You're not at increased risk the second jump. But I've experienced a lot of females who don't necessarily subscribe to that. Right. Well, no, it's the coin toss thing, which is, well, there's been 10 tails in a row.
Starting point is 00:14:03 The next one's got to be heads. Yeah. Or statistically higher to be heads. But next one's got to be heads. Yeah. Or statistically higher to be heads. But it's always the same. Right. Okay. Go ahead, John. Well, it's actually, they say it's more dangerous as you get more experienced because then you take a little more risky behavior.
Starting point is 00:14:19 But I've got about 300 jumps, which isn't that much. But they say statistically it's actually more dangerous driving to and from the drop zone to actually do the jumps. But it's a pretty small community, but I've actually seen three people die. I've witnessed three fatalities. And that kind of hits me, I think, more than the old lady. But, yeah. How did you experience three fatalities in this small community? Well, like specifically
Starting point is 00:14:47 individually um well one of them uh this is down in the eloy arizona uh they were doing a big group uh actually it was a record they were attempting a record yeah well it's called relative work and uh coming in for a landing two guys got wrapped up. Well, one got wrapped up in a canopy and sailed down about 80 feet and died about 10 minutes later. But, yeah, I was like right there. Well, yeah, but that's obviously when you're trying to do set records and there's a lot of humanity around you when you're up in the air and all that. Yeah, look, there's many things you can do to get your rocks off that'll probably put your wife at peace. You might also make the argument that I'll only do these kinds of jumps, and that's a kind of a compromise. It might not be as exciting for you, but you're not going to go out there and try to form a flying diamond or something with eight other guys, or maybe you'll just do ones from a certain altitude where you have a certain amount of
Starting point is 00:15:48 free fall, or whatever it is. I mean, you might want to approach her about a jumping compromise. She may not trust you. Well, you have the thrill-seeking gene, which is not related to addictions, but it's something that drives you. No. Oh. You're not any closer.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Well... I thought it was related to addiction. I don't think it is. Uh-oh. I think it is. drives you? No. Oh. You're not any concerned? Well. I thought it was related to addiction. I don't think it is. I think it is. Yeah, it is. It's got that. Because I'm struggling with addiction, too, but that's a separate thing. But as far as the jumping is concerned, there's really nothing else.
Starting point is 00:16:17 How's your crystal ball doing, Bruce? It's anecdotal, one individual's report. I know. Dr. Drew's always kind of said that the thrill-seeking gene is the addiction gene or is connected to it. Okay, well. Well, no. Anyway, so. Also, people substitute one for the other.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Yeah. All right. So what else can you do? I mean, the problem is a lot of other things, mountain biking, you know, downhill mountain bike racing or certain other forms of activities where you get the same excitement probably are more dangerous than jumping out of a car. But here's the good news. You're dealing with a woman and she's not interested in what's statistically relevant. She's interested in what's emotionally relevant.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Yeah. All the arguments I had with Lynette involving the kids when they were young were about the gardener leaving the pool gate open and the kids playing in the courtyard and drowning in the pool her main concern was filtered water not drinking tap water that's logical right it's illogical but it's how chicks are wired. I don't say it's bad. It actually probably makes them better moms to be illogical. You don't want Spock from Star Trek raising your kids. You know what I'm saying? Their illogic actually makes them better at what they do.
Starting point is 00:17:38 So all you got to do is go, I'm going to start doing mountain bike racing instead of skydiving, even though statistically you're more likely to die going down the mountain on a bike. Yeah. Then that'll work on her because she's illogical. What I'm more concerned about, John, is that I think if you look at statistics, people that have addictive disorders probably have more likelihood of getting into risk-taking behaviors that you would describe as thrill-seeking. But people that are straight-out thrill-seekers, I think, if you look into it, don't have a
Starting point is 00:18:08 higher rate of addiction. So I'd be real concerned about what you're doing about whatever you're referring to as an addictive disorder. Because if that is not well-controlled or treated, then your risk-taking desires will be less held in check. Let's focus on the addiction for now, and then we'll get the skydiving thing worked out. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Dr. Bruce, who do you want to talk to up there? Let's go up. Therapist counselor. Therapist? Yeah, Chris has been on hold for a bit there. Chris? Hello? Hey.
Starting point is 00:18:41 50? Yes. Chris the lady gal? Yeah, I'm Chris. I'm 50. Oh, okay. All right. My mom is Chris with a K, I think.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Well, I'm Jerry because so am I. But I'm not her. No. Good for you. All right. What's the question? Okay. Listen to your podcast a lot and Dr. Drew and
Starting point is 00:19:06 so forth. I'm 50. All my life I've been doing pretty well. I'm a good achiever professionally really. I'm not an addict. I don't have any of the traditional issues, but I'm at a part in my life where things aren't going well. I think I need to see a therapist or a counselor. And you could have a drinking game when you listen to the podcast every time Drew says, well, go find a good therapist. Well, how do you find a good therapist? Because I've tried, and most people are more screwed up than I am. And it's cheaper, more fun to sit at a bar and talk to a bartender than somebody that
Starting point is 00:19:40 just nods their head, affirms my feelings, and maybe even enables some, you know, whatever. How do you find a good therapist? And they cost like $150 an hour to spend a couple hours and go, well, you're a little bit nutty. Next, how do you go about doing that? Well, first of all, is it insurance-based? If you're looking for somebody, the first thing is you get a list from your insurance provider. And the frustrating thing is I know that especially with the large organizations now that sometimes the people that work for them are overworked. The access to care and psych issues is really poor right now.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Well, but can I say this too? To some degree, people want to find a good gym, but also the guys who have the biggest muscles are in prison. Where are we going with this? Thank you. Thank you. They don't have access to a Bally's or a 24-hour fitness or crunch, but what they do have is just a bunch of free weights, some time, and a little something called grit. So what I'm saying here, but here's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:20:46 You do want a good gym. On the other hand, you can sit on the floor and do push-ups or do chin-ups off a pipe that's in your cell. Or with those bootstraps. Well, you find a therapist. Oh. They do not need to be the world's best therapist. They can just be a decent therapist.
Starting point is 00:21:03 And then you can carve out, first off, an hour a week to go sit down with this person and focus on what's going on inside of you, which is half the battle. Half the battle is like saying, I'm just going to focus. I'm going to intentionally carve out an hour every week and go speak to somebody about what's going on in my life. That's about half of it. Now, in terms of advice, good advice, or here's what you got to do, you're not going to get that much of that from most therapists. What you're going to get, hopefully, is somebody to listen and then somebody to ask a few questions. But you're not going to get a chalkboard and a sort of Vince Lombardi, here's what you do.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And Chris, I wouldn't go into it with the bar held to the height that you have it, which is I need a good therapist, I need the best, or I need someone who's going to understand. I don't want someone just to listen, rent a friend, or I can do that with a bartender. No, because at a bartender, you're at a bar. to friend or I can do that with a bartender. No, because at a bartender, you're at a bar. You need to go somewhere and get involved actively with your mental health. I understand that. But yeah, so I'm all for that.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Have a positive attitude. Okay, these are professionals. But you go on a therapist and I don't mean to offend anybody, but you walk and you sit down, hello, hello, and they're morbidly obese. They need to lose 200 pounds and they're going to help me with my life. And you look at them and go, it's like going to the doctor
Starting point is 00:22:30 who chain smokes while he's talking to you. It's like, well, you don't have much credibility. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Many doctors chain smoke or have chain smoked and many doctors historically have smoked. They've been fine doctors.
Starting point is 00:22:44 There's arguments for and against. I say I'd go to a fat. I don't give a shit if a guy's smoking. I'd go to a fat cardiologist if he's the best cardiologist. That's what I'm saying. Listen, 50% of doctors in the 50s smoke. It didn't mean they didn't save a bunch of people's lives. Why?
Starting point is 00:23:00 So, but listen. I'll have a fat personal trainer. Look, he's talking about you doing push-ups, not about him doing push-ups. Yeah. So for Chris, listen, Chris's attitude is wrong. I like Chris. Chris, something's wrong with you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:11 You're not going to find a good therapist. Do I need to see a therapist? Yeah, you're not going to find a good therapist. You don't want a therapist. No, Chris is healthy. She doesn't want a therapist. She's recognizing there's an issue. Yes, she does.
Starting point is 00:23:20 She doesn't want a therapist. One of the things I do, and again, I've talked to a psychiatrist, for instance, and I don't know what your ability to talk to health care professionals, but you could talk to you just don't leave it at one person, but your family physician, family medicine physician, internist, a psychiatrist and say, who do you like? Who do you refer to? And I tend to like marriage family therapist types. Now, I don't have anything against licensed clinical social workers or psychologists, but somebody that uses a family model. And the other thing I would ask, do they have a set time? Like you go in and you say, here are the issues I want to work on, and they have a six-month frame of reference where you really want to intensively address an issue and work on it. The other question is, do you have a specific area of need? Is it reconstituted memories of abuse or a substance problem?
Starting point is 00:24:12 But you do have to do your homework here. I know if you go on Yelp or some of these other sites, you're going to get three people, and one of them is like, this is the greatest person, the other, this is horrible. So I wouldn't rely. It's a crap to just be gone. It's not a crap. She doesn't want to go. Chris, don't rely. It's a crap tune. It's not a crap tune. She doesn't want to go. Chris, don't go.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Go to the bar. Go. I have a friend that's a psychiatrist. I ask him, who would you send your family to? She doesn't want to go. She's going to go. She's one of your fans. Your fans, listen, she sounds intelligent.
Starting point is 00:24:38 She sounds like she's at a point where she needs some help. She's lying to herself. Oh, God. Look, she's already explaining why it's not going to work before she shows up. She She's lying to herself. Oh, God. Look, she's already explaining why it's not going to work before she shows up. She has somewhat of a negative viewpoint. She's going to show up.
Starting point is 00:24:50 The guy's going to have male-patterned baldness, and she's going to go, well, if he can't do something to save her own hair, how can he help me? It's a genetic disorder. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm giving an example of what's wrong with her. We'll be right back
Starting point is 00:25:01 with more of the Adam and Dr. Drew Show classics. What's wrong with that? We'll be right back with more of the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics. Last up for today, we have episode 1446, released July 12th, 2021, titled It's Everyone's Fault But Mine. Adam and Dr. Drew take a call about how COVID was skewed by the media, causing them to ponder what the long-term consequences of the loss of trust might be. All right, we got Eric 34 up there from San Jose. Eric? Adam Drew.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Hi, guy. Long time, long time. Yeah, man. It's fortuitous you guys are talking about who COVID has killed. And Adam notes how the big networks try to humanize these deaths by saying that they include teachers, firefighters, mothers. He was 96. He loved the accordion. He'll never play again.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Yeah, okay, you fucking assholes. If people start listening to you, you should just add to the list. Gang bangers, hoarders, white-collar criminals. That's true. It's true. They're all in there. Equal opportunity killer. When CNN ran off the list of 10 very elderly people who will no longer be hanging around the liquor store telling jokes to teenagers, I was like, it's over.
Starting point is 00:26:25 You guys have fucking nothing. It's so weird. I'll tell you what's weird is that yuck sound you just made, I make that sound like eight times a day now. Yes. And that's my entire life that's never been the case. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:26:42 I just spend the day going, what are we doing? Come on. Well, you talked about not understanding these people, but my brother pointed out that we're the species that used to sacrifice our virgins for a bountiful harvest. And we haven't come too far evolutionarily. Oh, God, you're right. No. A lot of the mob stuff on Twitter is human sacrifice. It's all scapegoating.
Starting point is 00:27:07 And that's all at its core, a scapegoating mechanism. The humans, when they congregate with emotion, they'll scapegoat one. And that's what's going on. That is what's going on. Yeah, I know. Just because we have the Internet and we've gotten smarter doesn't mean we're not capable of believing or doing really stupid things. Same stuff. No.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Well, and in a weird way, I was thinking yesterday about – because I've been preoccupied with the idea that we've been in this sort of delusional state. We move from one kind of delusion to another delusion. It's weird, this panic, this hysteria. And then I thought, God, you know, the brown shirts were kind of a delusional state and the the bolsheviks were sort of a delusional frenzy you know what i mean yeah it's kind of a different delusion but still all delusional stuff where people are in these states and they can't be reasoned with that's what a delusion is and man we got that going on like crazy right now huh yeah it's it's it's it's everyone's fault but mine. I mean, this total lack of intellectual honesty. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:28:10 Yes. It's just a crazed... I've never been as surprised or disappointed by people's ability to just sort of go along with shit, you know, just total nonsense. It's just nuts. And the part that's really nuts about it, you think about everyone was going nuts on CNN about voter ID like two months ago.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Now they've all reversed course because america overwhelmingly says they want voter id and now they're like we we never cared about we never talked about that that wasn't something we didn't yeah we've always been for it and it's like well there's thousands of hours of footage are you saying you're against it but here's the part i'm talking about if if i was in a group you know i mean like If I was in a group, you know what I mean? Like if I was in a group and you're trying to pitch something to me that sounded insane, I wouldn't go along with it even if it was part of the group. Do you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:29:19 Yes. I think I do. So if I was a Democrat and you told me six months ago voter ID is racist, I'd go, but you need ID. No. Yeah, that's right. You wouldn't be your tribal membership. Yeah, yeah. No, it's racist.
Starting point is 00:29:35 I'd go, well, then how do you get on an airplane? Right. What do you do without an ID? We got to get people these IDs if this is an issue. Right. But how many people don't have an ID? It's 2021. Right. But how many people don't have an ID? It's 2021. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:45 If you tried to pitch it to me, I'd just go, I'm not going to go on CNN and talk about how this is Jim Crow 2.0. I can't do it. It doesn't make sense to me. Right. So your tribe membership is easily trumped by reasoned thought. Well, it's like I've always said when I was hosting a conservative talk show radio and they tried to get me that, you know, Kathy Griffin is cut off, put ketchup on the picture of Trump's head and Barron Trump has seen it. He's traumatized.
Starting point is 00:30:16 I'm like, I don't think he's seen it. He's traumatized. Well, we should talk about it. I'm like, it sounds stupid to me. He saw a picture. He's traumatized. His dad's probably sitting in the room with him. You know what I mean? Nah, I'm not getting
Starting point is 00:30:30 into that. Sounds dumb. You sound like an idiot when you say that kind of shit. That's kind of what I'm saying. I wouldn't go along with it. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, I do know, and I believe that's true about you. It's insane how many people go along with everything all the time.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Hey, Eric? Yeah. Yeah, I don't... Do you think that's a silver lining of all this, is that we've just... That, combined with Twitter, we've learned to ignore certain people and just stop listening? Think about what the word expert means now in 2021 versus three years ago. You know what I mean? Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Experts say, you know, kids say, experts say that the kids shouldn't be allowed into schools because they're carriers of the disease. Experts say you should wear two masks, you know, when you go outside. I mean, think about what damage experts, that's just the name expert in front of your name. Think about what damage professors. And what about specialists and physicians? I could put together 7,000 hour reel of physicians on CNN just being dead wrong about every fucking thing they said. Yep. Yep.
Starting point is 00:31:42 And you can still find. I saw a guy on the BBC yesterday going nuts about the Delta virus. I was shocked. Right. Who is this guy? Right. How could it be so wrong? And then misinformation, was that mean anymore? You know what I mean? Yes. Or our experts...
Starting point is 00:31:58 Use your crystal brain for a second. Our experts vetted it. It was untrue. What's going to happen as a result of all this? What's the crystal brain saying? It's going to happen as a result of all this? What's the crystal brain saying? It's going to be people not listening. Yeah, but that's going to have consequence, don't you think? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:15 So the upshot is people are just going to stop listening to experts. They're going to stop listening to doctors. They're not going to stop listening to news outlets. But they already kind of weren't, which is weird why they would suddenly start listening to them when this was all going on. It's very weird. Well, what happened was is that the news agitated everyone and got them.
Starting point is 00:32:33 All roads lead to narcissism. Oh, yeah. It awoke in the sleeping narcissistic giant inside of everybody. Yes. Everyone's like, me, blah, blah, blah. Why? What am I going to wipe down? Then, oh, yeah. oh yeah oh i mean you heard
Starting point is 00:32:46 cuomo going oh you don't want to you guys then you kill me yeah you kill me he's such a buffoon by the way i mean i could you imagine that's your guy no he's such a pompous fucking sack of buffoonery you know there's that famous thing like you don't want to that you you do you know and i don't know somebody raised their hand and said uh you know what's you know why aren't these people essential workers or what's wrong with right there because you kill me you bring it to me what by the way that's the opposite of a leader correct Correct. No leader. And by the way, Rochelle Walensky from the CDC. I got a bad feeling. Dreadful feeling.
Starting point is 00:33:31 This is mid-March. I got a bad, oh, I don't like the way the wind is blowing. I talked to a shaman Indian friend of mine. He rubbed beads. He lit a candle. And the plume of smoke that came from the candle made a ghoulish face. I don't like. Hey, bitch, shut up.
Starting point is 00:33:48 You don't know what you're doing. Shut up. Still haven't heard about her son's vaccination status. Oh, I heard she I heard her. I pulled I found a clip of her on the view. Yeah. And she said her son was vaccinated. But but she still pulled him out of summer camp.
Starting point is 00:34:07 All right. Well, so now, I mean, either way, she's nuts because she got her son vaccinated, but... I don't believe it. I probably don't either. But she's pulled him out of summer camp. Yeah. Because why? But he wants to go.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Counts the days. He wants to rejoin society. Okay, so you had him vaccinated. Okay, but then you pulled him out of society. But it really makes no sense because the risk-reward is very importantly on behalf of getting the kids back into their lives. That's why you would do that. Well, why is everyone who was vaccinated was wearing a mask for three months after they were vaccinated? Their thing is because we're sending a message.
Starting point is 00:34:52 What message? To retarded people? What is your message? The message should be get vaccinated. You don't have to wear the mask. Do you ever imagine we'd be living through this? I didn't know adults would be this fucking dumb or corrupt or whatever. That's all for this week.
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