The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Roe vs Wade, Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp, Adam vs Childhood Poverty (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)

Episode Date: September 21, 2024

On this week's episode of The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics, The Fellas discuss the overturning of Roe vs Wade, the wackiness of the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial and how advertising back when Adam was younger and had less money upset him!

Welcome back for another edition of the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics. I am your host, Big Brother JKKA Jake Warner. My government name. Let's get to it. First up is episode 1593 that aired on July 4th, 2022. Adam and Drew discuss the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. They have an interesting take on this. Take a listen. What's going on there, Druski? Oh man, a lot going on in the world, isn't there?

Yeah. Yeah. Have we talked about the abortion thing, you and I? No, we haven't. I'm sort of, I again, when people get so emotional about stuff, I kind of have question marks over my head a little bit. Like, why is the most emotional group in the states where things are not only not changed, they're actually more protected? Their governors have taken measures to really protect things. So they're most emotional on the coast that's California, New York. California, New York has not not in danger of going down the Mississippi Road on this. Not at all. In fact they want to pay your tax dollars to bring them on in.

Yes, we will leave it to the states and the progressive states will extensively become more progressive when it comes to abortion yeah which is because they they will have to do something to counteract something that's not affecting them or changing which is the move they're gonna have to make because they're gonna have to show they're gonna have to grandstand so New York and LA will then or California will become abortion tourism towns and then we will provide Gavin Newsom is gonna buy plane tickets and lodging to Ostensibly people from Mississippi to come here and have an abortion that we who live in

California will pay for right and if we don't pay for, the businesses might be able to pay for it as well. So there's lots of resources being allocated, which is good. And I think the red states that are going harshly anti-abortion are going to create lots of circumstances that they don't anticipate. I mean, there are so many medical circumstances that they're going to have to contend with. One of the things I get emotional about is interfering with the practice of medicine. And they have to let doctors protect the patient and the fetus, let us do our job or make the right decision on behalf of both. And they're interfering with that. And of course, here we go again.

This is where things go bad always. Yeah. So most abortions are done with a pill Yes, or half bill more than half more than half. Yeah. Yeah, why why no pill in Mississippi? That doesn't make well, okay It's really Louisiana is the bad one And here's what I have a I worry about as it pertains to no pill. First of all, the no pill thing, I mean the pill itself has issues on both sides.

On the left, please stop talking about people with coat hangers and dying in back alleys. It's not how it's done. It's a pill, it's a pill, vast majority. And people will be more focused on getting that pill now because of the lack of access to procedural stuff in the later parts of pregnancy. We have a lack of access to the pill?

Yes, you have to go to California. What's really uncertain right now is can you have it mailed to you from California? Well, can you or are you? Well, if you accept it, what risks are you taking is the question I make sense to me that people Would get the pill sent to them from a friend or family member somebody in one of these more lenient states But the question is if they get caught what risk are they taking? I don't even think that's even been established yet, right? How long until you can't take the pill Really first trimester first trimester. First trimester is the pill, really.

And that's when most people have their abortions and people are going to have to really, really pay attention. If they're later or if they have, you know, all kinds of – there are all kinds of medical misadventures that can happen, you know, both in terms of the development of the fetus and the genetics of the fetus and the position of the fetus later that are gonna have to be allowed to be treated by physicians, but we'll see. But as it pertains to the pill,

the other thing that concerns me is it seems like the pro-life world, and by the way, I don't have a horse in the race, I weirdly am not emotional about this, except as it pertains to interfering with the medical practice, but it seems like the real pro-life has sort of really backed their position to life begins at conception, right?

Wouldn't you say that's the predominant argument these days? They used to horse around with implantation, and now they're just, nah, at least the potential, the unique potential exists at conception. Right? Okay. So what interferes with implantation is interfering with the life. It's a murder in their point of view.

So what interferes with the implantation? Well, the abortion pill. Guess what else does? The birth control pill you take normally, IUDs, emergency contraception, all these things interfere with implantation. So if you're gonna be a purist with this, they start, you might go down a path

to outlawing birth control pills, which is insanity in my opinion. Right, but it's, again, if you're too extreme on either end, you know, if you're too extreme on the pro-abortion side, you're aborting a child that has its legs sticking out during delivery and just killing it. And if you're too pro-life, you're getting rid of everything that can manage, you know, and prevent pregnancies.

So I'm calling for sanity on both sides. That's what I'm calling for sanity on both sides. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. Well, I, you know, both sides are going to gravitate toward their side. And so they both are going to seem sort of extreme because nobody's for abortion, you know, partial birth abortions or any of that. It gets, it gets ghoulish at a certain point. And then nobody wants, you know, the outlaw of the IUD or birth control or whatever. I mean, not nobody, but, you know, nobody reasonable.

Right. So I think the problem, I heard somebody talk about this on Twitter or something, who knows anymore. The problem with a lot of the stuff is, you know, I don't know, Bill Clinton, 1993, you know, safe and necessary and in rare or whatever was kind of the democratic approach to abortion you know it was sort of so basically what it was is there was a time when the Democrats were like look abortions bad nobody wants an abortion nobody hopes for this for their children but we understand it's necessary. And so what our approach is, we'd like it to be rare,

as rare as possible. That's Bill Clinton's tweet right there. Abortion should not only be safe and legal. His tweet, his was 93. Oh, this is his statement. Abortion should not only be safe and legal, it should be rare. The actual quote from 1993.

All right, then I would. 96, sorry. 96, all right. So then the, then I would... 96, sorry. 96. All right, so then the majority of Americans went, yeah, okay, safe, okay, good, legal, gotcha, rare, yeah, okay, that's the society I'd like to live in. And but they kept going and they just kept going and then it just became it's 100% the woman's choice and she can do it whenever she wants and it's her body and you know up into the into the third trimester you know that's her that's her choice and so then a lot of Americans

got off got off board with that I mean they got off that train. They're like no, I don't think that's, you know, shouldn't have eight and a half months? No. No abortions then. Because that's how most Americans think. That's the same way most Americans think, no birth control pills? No, no, no. We want that. That's fine. But isn't this whole thing a movement away from centralization and federalism and just let the states adjudicate exactly what you're talking about? Yes. Isn't that just the whole thing? We live in California, we've decided to do it this way and let them do it.

Well, it's funny because they, you know, the ones who are complaining the most are like, it's the end of democracy. That's like, no, no, it's this is democracy. No, democracy. Let your state vote for what they want. It's specifically the Constitution's purpose is to form a union of, at the time, 13 different countries and to sort of weave them together in some sort of collective, not to have an authority over them. Yeah. Right? Or are we disagreeing? We want to have that. COVID taught me I don't want a lot of centralization. I don't want a lot of

centralization either. And then we're going to get to this point, which we've been getting to for a while, which is if your business and your business is, you're progressive and you're probably not going to open up a storefront Louisiana. And maybe if you're very progressive and you live in Louisiana, you may want to think about moving to New York or California. Good luck buying a house, but you'll go to one of those places where everything is super expensive. All right, we're back and up next we have episode 1595 that aired on July 8th, 2022, titled Now Listen to Me. The fellas discuss the trial of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

Remember how crazy that trial was? I don't forget about it. It's crazy. They had an interesting take on it themselves. Check it out. Have we talked about, I can't remember if we ever talked about Amber Heard and Johnny Depp and we must have somewhere but I really want to sort of shine a little light on one aspect that I want to make sure that we point out which is that they did us a great service. As miserable as it was and awful as it was, they did the country a great service. As miserable as it was and awful as it was, they did the country a great service. A, they pointed out that, you know, women can be abusers. B, that men can be accused of things that they didn't necessarily do. But so those are sort of, you know, on the surface. But I think the deeper

thing that I'm hoping people get from it is that experience and memory is highly inaccurate, highly inaccurate. And I'm not pointing my finger just at Amber Heard. In other words, Johnny Depp's experience and memory was distorted by drugs and alcohol. It makes him experience things and remember things in a distorted way, but borderline person disorder causes Severe disturbances of experience and then when you take those experiences and put them in memory Memory is highly flawed and continues to distort them more So yeah, yeah the whole memory thing and and look maybe the memory was different before There was so many electronic lawsuits and I don't know whatever it was but the memory I've seen

it you'll see it in yourself if you go back and get together the old gang and start talking about you know the old days and start talking about the old days. You know, and you go, remember season one of the Man Show? We had that intern. No, no, that's season three. Right. And you go, oh, I thought it was if weren't we in the old bungalow? No, no, we'd move by that.

And then you still don't know who's right. Yeah. Either you could be right. Well, I always give up the ghost at that point. But it's like, yeah, I know, I had pictured myself sitting in the old bungalow, sitting at my desk when that guy came. No, that guy didn't come in until after, you know. Memory's highly flawed.

And there's a whole world of eyewitness studies, you know, eyewitness accounts that document how pathetic we are at just experiencing something. I used to experience it when I'd go into an exam or something on a borderline patient. I'd always bring a female patient in. And literally, it would be a pleasant exchange, normal exam, and at the end, the person would come out and go, he touched, he yelled at me, and he touched, and they believe it. It's not they're not lying. They believe what they experience.

And then it gets laid down in memory in even a more distorted way. So when it comes to like eyewitness accounts, you ever read my friend Bobby Chacon, his FBI agent? Remember that guy? I don't know if you've ever met him, but he ran a symposium on eyewitnesses. People come to this symposium to learn about eyewitness accounts and how inaccurate they are. And what he would do is while people in the auditorium... Bobby Chacon was a middleweight boxer.

Oh really? Well, this is C-H-A-C-O-N. Gary's got to figure out how my memory is. Bobby Chacon... Correct. Same spelling. C-H-A-C-O-N? Correct. Oh, wow. Middleweight boxer. Interesting. Champion? Featherweight. Featherweight. It was weird. Oh, wow. Middleweight boxer. Interesting.

Champion? Featherweight. Oh, featherweight. Oh, you're way off. Two weight classes. Hold on. Two weight classes. But he did hold the featherweight title.

In my head, I was going down in weight. I'm saying middleweight, but I was thinking, no, it's younger. Featherweight and super featherweight. He is a champion and quite a good fighter, right? Probably 47 and 9 or something. 59, 7 and 1 with 47 knockouts. Pretty much. We had the 7 losses.

That's right. That's right. That's right. A few years back. Different guy, Bobby Chacon? Different guy. Okay. These guys have to play.

Well then carry on. And the way you say Chaconne, I'm guessing... Latin American descent. I'm guessing. This guy's not that. This is more like Francais, I think. Chaconne. So he was a symposium, and while people are sitting in the auditorium preparing to see

these lecture series on eyewitnesses, he would stage a thing where a couple would have a fight on the right side of the room and on the left side two guys would come in, one white, one black, and abduct somebody in the front row and run off. And they did ask the whole room, 30, 50 people, what they just saw. And he said, 90 plus percent can't get any of it. They get wrong what the distraction was, they can't get the race or even the gender of the guys that came in. It's just all over the place.

Yeah, I bet they get the gender part. But anyway, the point is, It's highly inaccurate. The point is, we put all this emphasis on I I know I remember Well, look, but let me tell you the insidious part of this Now there's a part you're leaving out. Hmm, although not intentionally First, let me tell you about simply safe today's episodes brought to you by simply safe home security We believe home security

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what they want it to be. And that's the scary part. Well, motivated reasoning, reasoning from... These are all cognitive distortions, which are always operating, always part of it. I cannot tell you how much I hear, like this person said this and this person did that. I mean there's just a lot of motivated stuff. I find- Motivated reasoning. Twelve times a day I say to people, what's in it for them? Why would they do that?

What do you mean? Or just a kind of a verbiage thing like, oh, someone's got some documents. They're holding them hostage. It's like, they're not holding them hostage. They don't care. If you want them, go get the documents. You know, why are you speaking in these terms? Yes, you're right. Because I know it feels like they're holding things hostage for you, but it's really like, call the guy up and tell me you need the docs. Yes well and by the way, I

The fact that people now say things like this is a lot of chick think by the way. Well, yes tons of chick Yes, and people say things like it like oh we I I don't feel comfortable around that person You never then get a chance to test reality, right? Because you stay in your little bubble, right? Oh, no, I can't I can't be around that person. I can't fall I can't I can't Find out even what they're thinking or who they really are I just have my perception and I'm offended or I'm affected Whatever so it gets even worse now because you're then reward your hero for not being around a person that is so dangerous

Or affecting people. It's awful. It's the worst. It's the exact opposite of how you're supposed to do it. You're supposed to do it with contact. That's how you reduce racism. That's how you reduce bias. Everything.

I'll tell you the big problem with people is they don't kind of do context versus like what's in it for them You know what I mean? Like yeah, they don't they don't think about the cognitive distortions We don't think about them. But what they don't really do is like they they go All right, this this car make is a is a real piece of shit and it and it's racist or something Yeah, but then you see them all over town, you know, and you never stop and go This car make is a real piece of shit and it's racist or something. But then you see them all over town. And you never stop and go, why do people like this car?

If it is a racist car or a bad car or an evil car, why is it popular? Why do people buy it? That guy driving that car with his wife is a race is a racist Do you ever want to drill down on it a little bit like how did it get this mantle and and and why do people seem To enjoy it or why does half the country like it if it's bad. Are they bad? You know what I mean? Like You got it. You got to figure out motivation just a little bit You know what I mean? If somebody is late, you can't say it's because they're evil. You have to try to figure out whether there was traffic or there was a situation or whatever.

You can't just go evil. What you're describing is something called the fundamental attribution error or just attribution errors, which is you see somebody doing something in a certain context and you attribute the behavior to some constitutional property, something internal in that person that you judge to be bad, which is an attributionary.

You don't have no idea what the person, you're a mind reader, person may have just been running away from, who knows what, whatever you've seen. It could be the circumstance entirely dictating the behavior. Yep. We'll be right back with more of the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics. All right. Last up for today, we have episode 1674, which aired on January 30th, 2023. Adam and Drew have a discussion of when Adam was a kid and his family didn't have a lot

of money when he was younger and how businesses went after consumers in his younger days versus how they go after their consumers now. Pretty interesting exchange. Here we go. All I did as a kid is sit home and watch a succession of commercials for things we were never going to get or participate in or any you know it's like order your first one now and a second time-life book you know the American Plains will come up next where you'll see real photographs of real Indians you know and then a

month later another time-life book is gonna come out the old gunslinger series you know and it was just like and then the commercial after that would be for the super bowl motocross that was taking place at the coliseum next weekend and then the next commercial was a custom van commercial and i would just sit there and look at the commercials and go no no but in a weird way that's when people started doing things like The generation before, so your parents' defense, they didn't do shit. Maybe they went to a baseball game, maybe. There just wasn't shit to do. And there was no money to do shit.

No, and it was also, it was like a different class of thing. Like we talked about before, like who would go out to the steakhouse? Diamond Jim Brady would go out with a pinky ring and order a highball, you know. Sinatra would go to a steakhouse. That's who went to steakhouses. Yeah, you go to a steakhouse these days and you just see regular folks just showing up in sweatpants. That did not exist. There was no way we were going to audition these time life books out for the princely sum of $18.99 or something for six books per year.

But the thing about my family is we had no modality for payment. So we couldn't... It wasn't happening. How would we order these things? I mean I could remember You know for years, you know not having a credit card and hanging out with guys I had no credit cards and stuff like that, you know, how did you book a flight? How did you book a hotel like you couldn't do these you couldn't live this sort of life So your mom got welfare checks every month, right? Yeah for a. Okay and she had no rent. No. Where did it go? Weed? Where'd her welfare checks go? You know what I mean?

She didn't spend it on you. Well you know she got. Zorbach took it? 189 bucks every two weeks from the government or something. I don't know food Electric bill the food you use food stamps, too Yeah, I don't know. I I don't know the number of years. She was on the welfare and the food stamps I just remember her telling me she didn't want to get a job So she wants to screw up her welfare and where did the money come from when she wasn't getting welfare? John, your stepdad. Yeah, my stepdad.

Yeah, yeah. He had a job. He had a job, yeah. He had a real job. Yeah. He got paid. Finally got to spend some time with your stepdad on Christmas, which was nice. Yeah.

He's a nice guy. Yeah, he's a nice guy, a little quirky. Yeah? Yeah. But a little tight-fisted with the money. Oh sure But a good guy purse on or something when I met him or something was he wearing something He's probably wearing like a camera case or something. I don't know camera case. So he is not used to seeing these days Yeah, nobody

people were days. Yeah, nobody. People were tight with money in my home. I guess everyone was tight back then. Yeah. I don't know if you met John's girlfriend. No. Almost did on Christmas. Almost. He didn't. Yeah, she didn't make the pilgrimage. But yeah, that's a weird, a weird time. Probably good that I grew up in some space where whatever I just did whatever I wanted and just went and got whatever I wanted. Well, it had advantages. It wasn't all, we're sort of seeing now that it's not, you didn't live in zero gravity. Gravity was on you all the time. That you had to think through everything.

There was no Grubhub. There was no Apple Pay, there was just ugh. What it did and what it didn't do. What it did is I just got super self-sufficient. If I want something, I'm going to have to figure out a way to get it, save up, work hard, whatever it is. Anything, everything. There's nothing. Everything is just going to be work.

So okay, good lesson learned. On the other hand, when I see people who are given tons of stuff and shitty about it, I'm confused and angered by it. So the one hand is wow, I learned a good life lesson about work and focus and, you know, making a dollar last, stretch a dollar, you know. Yeah, just a whole bunch of basic common sense, you know, grandpa off the farm kind of, I learned a whole bunch of

those lessons. On the other hand, when I see people sort of snub their nose at those lessons or politicians explain why we don't need those things or something, then I just get, I get infuriated. So that's the downside. You know what I mean? And these days I'm confused. Confused. Yeah, why aren't these important? Why aren't you, why can't we push these things?

It helps people. Well there's something going on in that people always, you know, people left to their own devices are bad. They're kids. But people don't know that. People seemed to have lost track they've lost track they've lost they've lost track of the fact that there's a process and the process through parenting and through society education yeah I'll count that as society yeah need to take these things these these kids and they need to break them of all the habits Or in impulses all the built-in in build their frontal lobes. Yeah, so struck the frontal your impulse is a kid when you

Show up somewhere and there's a long line Your impulse is to walk to the front line and step in front of whoever the next person is that that's what an impulse is For a seven-year-old. And then somebody said, well, how's society gonna run if everyone is doing that? So then we train you to stand in the back of the line, but we also train you that if you got there earlier, you wouldn't have to go to the back of the line,

and so on and so forth. And that was like, all right, that's what we do. Here's how you treat we do here's how you treat cops here's how you treat elderly here's we're here the rules of society and then at some point we got into this sort of like free to be you and me thing like you you can just have this sort of freedom and the 60s yeah the 60s 70s and like hey and then into this sort of, hey, if you're feeling this way, then it can't be wrong. You know what I mean? That did not work. We found out

loud and clear during the 70s. That was a bad idea. And then we decided to bring it back 50 years later. We decided to bring it back. Yeah, we just rebooted it. No, look no further than climate change. You know, it's all about ecology. We're talking about 50 years ago. All about ecology. I studied it. I was into it. And Indians crying by the side of a freeway with garbage and polluted rivers. Acid rain, algae blooms. Acid rain and yeah, and it's ice age. Ice age was all coming. We're going to be out

of fuel, blah, blah, blah. Any minute and then you get to from that period To now is 50 years you get to the 25 year mark and you're basically 1997 halfway in no one gave a fuck We're now back to who gives a shit and then we floated back toward the hysteria that that was in 1973. But because there's zero gravity and we're more narcissistic the hysteria is really caught like it's like it's more extreme.

Yeah I don't want to have kids because I don't want they're not going to see their 12th birthday. There's a lot of that when we were young. I bet you I came out of my mouth I'd say. There's gonna be a nuclear war any minute by the 80s nuclear war any minute Yeah, yeah any minute. Yeah now it was all it was all there Yeah, so what we don't really realize is we're all just these sort of organic beings that just repeat this rinse and repeat That's all same thoughts good and bad but the problem now

Which is I think different than what we were dealing with back in the day is the government didn't really endorse this behavior. That's true. This was my mom and her hippie friends. Yes. And the government were the guys in the suits and the ties going, hey, hey, hippie, knock it off. Get a job.

I just came upon a weird, for some reason on TikTok or something, this weird little speech that Ronald Reagan gave a whole press junket when he was governor of California and he was talking to the UC regions and the press. He goes, you guys know what you're doing. This is taxpayer money and you're letting children run amok without telling them how they're supposed to behave.

You know better, you're an adult run amok without telling them how to supposed to behave you know better you're an adult make them behave like you and they were like 78 probably yeah yeah so maybe 76 even but it has considered 78 and sounded a little late yeah and then it, yeah. And at some point, the government or many in the government, and then especially kind of corporate America, realize that, hey, these are new clients, essentially, like these fucking fat 14 year olds and these stupid angry confused college students. It's kind of our constituency now. Like this is we're no longer going to try to shape them. We're going to say we're an ally. We're going to tell you in the 60s with the psychedelics. So that's a very, yeah, Captain Steuben's hair. Very small, small small It's a small thing Captain Stubbins hair. It's all you They weren't going along with what these kids were wanted to do and and now we've been strictly style

we've strictly we've decided that this is the constituency so the Crazed fucked up idiot 19 year olds and 18 year olds on the campus. We are essentially there are clients And we got to show them a good time All right, that's all for this week. Thanks for listening to the Adam and dr Drew show classics I've been your host big brother Jake hosted a big brother dig podcast here on the podcast one network Remember to check back each week for new episodes. And while you're at it, don't forget to like, subscribe,

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