THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.126 - JOE CORNISH

Episode Date: June 30, 2020

Adam talks lockdown TV and bereavement with his old friend Joe Cornish.WARNING 1: In the course of talking about the TV show Escape At Dannemora we discuss aspects of the plot and certain details that I don't think would spoil your enjoyment of it, but if you're worried, you could skip to 22.30 and you should be OK.WARNING 2: This podcast contains swearing, wobbly crying voice, a fart and some eating sounds.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and to Matt Lamont for additional editing.RELATED LINKSESCAPE AT DANNEMORA (YOUTUBE TRAILER, 2018)GRAYSON PERRY'S ART CLUB (GUARDIAN ARTICLE, APRIL 2020)COGNITIVE BEHAVIOURAL THERAPY (CBT) (OVERVIEW ON NHS WEBSITE)CAN I GET FREE THERAPY OR COUNSELLING? (NHS WEBSITE)FIND AN ON LINE THERAPIST (HARLEY THERAPY PLATFORM)NOTE: I haven't used this platform so cannot personally vouch for it.S. FISCHER VERLAG PUBLISHING Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening I took my microphone and found some human folk Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how you doing, podcats? Adam Buxton here. Now, you may be able to tell, using your ears,

that myself and Rosie are not where we would normally be recording an intro for the podcast we've come to the beach because I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and he said oh I went swimming at Waxham Beach on the Norfolk coast beach on the Norfolk coast and it doesn't have any facilities. I said, I really recommend it. There's usually very few people there. And I thought, ooh, that sounds good. I wouldn't mind going for a swim in the sea because, you know, swimming in the sea, especially for an English person, I think, forgive me for generalising, but it's a special thing. Reconnects you with the sea. Anyway, so myself and Rosie got in the hot car and the air conditioning was knackered, so we wound down the windows, put on an old compilation with some outcasts and some silver Jews and some... there and I was worried Rosie might find it a bit offensive especially as she was sat down in the

well where your feet go in the on the passenger side and it couldn't have been comfortable she was looking at me every now and again with an expression that I can only imagine meant this is a nightmare when's it gonna end luckily it was not a long drive and now here we are and we're not here for very long because i have to go and pick up my daughter from school from her socially distanced mini school bubble but i thought i just wanted to i wanted to see the sea i wanted to get in the sea and that's what we just did. And Rosie came with me and we swam for 15 seconds or something, not very long. But we were joined by a couple of seals. I'm looking at them right now. Are they seals? I thought they were sea lions at first. I'm not very familiar with

sea fauna. I think they're seals. And they stuck their heads above the water and they started swimming towards us. And I got a bit nervous because I wasn't sure, like, do seals get angry with people? They have every right to after the way they've been treated. But they're having a good time. They seem very happy and they're having a nice afternoon gambling in Vesuv. Anyway, we didn't want to antagonize them, so we got out. I tried to Google, can you swim with seals? But there was no signal, so I thought, oh well, best play it safe. So we're sat on the beach by some rocks now, just enjoying a sunny day. Well, I suppose this is a bit of an unusual episode of the podcast. It's with Joe Cornish, my old friend, top director. And we talked about TV, specifically a show that

Joe recommended that I watch towards the beginning of the lockdown. And then we talked about what's been happening with me the last few weeks, which I'm sad to say has been that my mum died at the end of the last podcast. I was saying that I was going to take some time out to look after her. And anyway, unexpectedly, that didn't work out and it was a shock and it's been very sad but my conversation with joe is not exclusively sad i'm happy to say and that's the reason i wanted to talk to him really was just to talk to someone friendly and hopefully stop me getting too maudlin. Anyway, I thought I should fill you in

before the conversation a little bit. Well, look, Rose, we should go because I've got to go and pick up my daughter. But for the time being, from us out here on the beach with the seals in beautiful, minimal Wexham, we bid you farewell. And let's hand over to me speaking a few weeks back in early June 2020 via a remote link up to Joe Cornball's Cornish. Here we go. And have a ramble chat Put on your conversation coat And hide your talking hat La, la, la, la, la, la, la

La, la, la, la, la, la, la La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la The acoustics aren't very good in the kitchen. A lot of reflective pots and pans. I should have sent you a mic cover. Yeah. One of these, because I heard you complaining about your sibilant tones on a movie podcast. Yeah, I got a lot of kickback for that because people thought that

Louis had complained about the free microphones you'd sent out as well. And so a lot of people accused Louis and I of piling onto you in an ungenerous fashion when you'd so generously given us both mics, free mics. That's good. I'm glad. How wonderful to be the beneficiary of a pylon rather than the subject of it. No, that's ludicrous.

Obviously, it was nothing to do with the mics. Evidently, the mic was completely fine for Louis, and I'm sure it was for you. It sounded great when we did the audio book. I think the reason it sounded sibilant for the guys you did the movie podcast with was that they recorded the zoom feed so it was quite compressed so that was that was maybe something that they needed to pay a little

bit more attention to their end but i don't want to start a pile on piling onto them on the last five minutes of what's that game show with all the kids in a swimming pool in the 70s Five minutes of, what was that game show with all the kids in a swimming pool in the 70s? Remember that? Run Around. We Are The Champions. It's a knockout. We Are The Champions. We Are The Champions.

How did the theme from We Are The Champions go? We are the champions. Check, check, check, check, check. We are the champions. Check, check. Fuck off. Didn't say fuck off. That was the late night version of it.

It's a very good theme tune. It was sort of non-musical. It was just chanting in a playground manner do you remember it sort of it always seemed a little bit too rough for me it was very rough and at the end there was a brilliant bit in the swimming pool with inflatables and it was supposed to be a fun competition for school kids but it was very competitive and you could sense this undercurrent of like brutal vicious sort of playground hierarchy going on an inter-school rivalry it It was in the 70s when... Yeah, well, it was a sport guy show.

Yeah, there were lots of like broken bottles just off camera and shivs in the back pockets of jeans. I'm surprised that you were watching it. Do you know what a shiv is? Sure. Well, we're going to be talking about prisons later on. Are we? Great. Yeah. When I was in prison, one of the first things I learned was how to make a shiv. What was your shiv made out of?

It started off with pointed words, and then I used a whittled toothbrush. What was your sharpest word? Well, it was a phrase. Was it? And it was shame on you. Oh, that is bad. That's particularly aggressive in a context of a prison. How would you say it? Shame on you. Oh, that is bad. That's particularly aggressive in the context of a prison. How would you say it?

Shame on you. Really? Shame on you. Like that. Shame on you. You didn't go for the French accent. Like how? Shame on you.

Like that. Why is that better? It's just vicious because it's more sophisticated. What's the French for shame on you? If you said it in the original French. Je t'en peux. Je t' original French. Je t'en peux. Je t'en peux. Je t'en peux.

It's colloquial. Poupous sous la tête. Shame on you in French. Because that would be good to know if I have to go back into prison. Honte à toi. What were you in prison for? I was in prison for being dangerously funny right you're just leaving it at right are you yeah no that's entirely possible what i'm interested in what you made a shiv out of. Well, I've never been to prison

like you. No. But if I did go to prison, I would probably fashion a shiv out of one of my nails. Do you know sometimes when you see guitar players or even just celebrities in the 70s, they've sometimes got a kind of a cocaine fingernail. Is that what it is? Like one very long fingernail. Do you notice that? Yeah. When I'm in prison, I'm going to have a very long fingernail. Yeah, because then you could whittle it into the shape of a key. Yes. Well, that would be the other fingernail. Basically, it'd be like a Swiss army knife on my fingers. One would be a nail file file i just rough down the surface of one of my fingernails as you say the other would be a key but like a skeleton key yeah that could get into any lock the next one would be toothpick toothpick and then the other would be just a little hook

shape to clean up the dirt from under my nails. And what about the one for getting stones out of horses' hooves? That will be on my left hand. So when Cornish came at you with his long fingers undulating, you wouldn't know what you were going to get. Were you going to get a handicure? Is that what they call it? A manicure? Or are you going to get shivved up in the house, in the neck, in the prison? Or is Cornish just going to open your beer for you? Yes. Or is he just going to file your nails or get the stone out of your horse's shoe?

If you grew your thumbnail really long and wide, then you could implant a magnifying disc in the middle for the magnifying glass. Right? magnifying disc in the middle to for the magnifying glass right you could cut out the center of a lens from a pair of specs what to focus the sun and burn through something sure or just for reading oh i mean whatever you would use the magnifying glass on a swiss army knife for well i think you're right but if you just highly polished one of your overgrown fingernails to and you could probably sculpt it so it operated as a lens. But this is a really very good idea because you could – you'd hide it from the screws. That's a bit of prison terminology. I hate the screws.

Having served time. So anyway, yeah, but you could just clench your fist and hide your nails. Yeah. Or you could wear finger puppets there's joey there's joey longshanks the finger puppet guy don't mess with him oh i'm gonna finger puppet you or something i don't know the guards are just charmed by the finger puppet yeah whenever, whenever they get suspicious about them, you go, oh, hello. Hello. And there's little chats between the finger puppets. Any of you guys thought to look underneath those goddamn finger puppets that

inmate Cornish charms everybody with? That's how the guy from Finger Bob's got through his prison time. Yuffie. Yuffie. That's how Yuffie survived in the slammer. Do you know that expression, slammer? You probably do because you've served time. You know all the slingo, slammer and screws.

We used to call it the big house. In that intonation? Yeah. The big house? Yeah. Big house? Because it's like a big house with lots of bedrooms. It's very valuable real estate.

Yes, you can cater for many guests. Is this because you've been watching Escape from Dannemora? Yes. It's good, isn't it? Well, I want to talk to you because I'm not going to give you a unqualified yes. Should we tell the listeners what this is? Yeah, go on, set it up. It's a limited series directed by Ben Stiller, starring Paul Dano and Benicio Del Toro and Patricia Arquette, based on a true story about a couple of dudes that escape from a high security prison in America. In a Medicar. Escape at Dannemora. The inmates, Richard Matt and David Sweat, escaped from the Clinton Correctional Facility, maximum security prison, in 2015.

A true story, this is. And it turned out they were aided by Tilly Mitchell, an employee at Clinton Correctional Facility, who became romantically entangled with both convicts. I don't want to give away too much. No, I suppose tread carefully if you're worried about spoilers. We'll try and keep the spoiler situation under control, but I don't want to be hauled over the coals if we do let something slip. So you recommended this to me, Escape at Dannemora.

And when did this series come out? A couple of years ago, wasn't it? I don't know. People have been talking about it for a while. I just got around to watching it not that long ago. I think it was 2018. And yeah, Ben Stiller directed it. Eight episodes or seven episodes,

but the last one is two hours. So I think that's it. Is it? Yep. And as you said to me in your email it's very cinematic beautifully shot thank you good score thanks man you're saying thanks just because you well i like approve of it so it's as if all right so this is me approving of you and you feel approved of. Yeah. Thanks, man.

Yeah. You're welcome. Come on. Take it easy. Don't overdo it. But you did give me a slight caveat in your email. Oh, God. Slow burn, you said.

Yeah. Slow burn. What did you mean by that? Well, you know what slow burn means boring means you have to invest you have to take your time and really focus on it did you find it a bit it was a bit much for you i don't know i mean this is going to be a strange conversation tonally perhaps because it comes at a very sad time for me and for my family you know

my mum died recently and you know i feel kind of mad in respect to that so it's sort of tainted all my experiences around that really and everything i've done in the last few weeks has been affected by that one way or another so it's hard to judge to what extent that has affected my enjoyment of Escape at Dannemora. My big problem, though, is that I've never quite understood the true crime genre, the allure of true crime. You know what I mean? I just find it a bit depressing. These two guys, and they do deal with it in the show, but they were extremely violent

criminals. Yeah. And they'd done some pretty appalling, horrible things. They weren't nice. You weren't really supposed to root for them. And even Tilly Mitchell, played by Patricia Arquette, is a character who certainly the way she's portrayed brilliantly is, to say the least, what's the word? Unappealing. Yeah, it is unappealing.

She's a very complicated, conflicted character, part victim, part perpetrator, part manipulator, part manipulated. It's a complex portrayal but i don't think any single person in the whole show is what you would call straightforwardly sympathetic yeah and i really miss that you want a good old goody i want a goody i want someone especially from a prison drama you want someone who is in there, but they're innocent. Right. They didn't done it and you want them to get out and you want them to be successful in the escape. Like, you know, in the olden days, that was the model for the prison escape drama. Escape from Alcatraz, Papillon, The Great Escape, things like that were all pretty straightforward.

They were true stories, but they were either falsely accused or they hadn't done anything that bad, depending on your point of view. Yeah. And, you know, you were you could root for them and you could feel straightforwardly sympathetic towards them. And sometimes they I mean, spoiler for Escape from Alcatraz, he gets out, right? I think. I mean, there's a question as to whether they actually survived, whether they were able to swim across the water to land. No one ever found out whether they survived or not, but they certainly got out and were never found. So that's quite good. You know, I like those ones.

Well, fair enough, man. Then I can see why you didn't enjoy it. Well, there's some nice people. Now, look, I didn't say I didn't enjoy it. It was highly entertaining and the rest of the family really enjoyed it. I mean, I only watched it with my beautiful wife and my eldest. I don't think it would have been appropriate for the others. Yeah, there's a lot of grotty, slappy sex in it. There really is. There's a lot of very good grotty sex in cupboards. There's so much grotty sex from behind.

Because that was very suspenseful for me because it just seemed like they would really get caught the whole time. That did stretch belief slightly, but I enjoyed the looks on their faces while they were having their grotty fondles. Grotty sex in the cupboard. Grotty sex in the bushes there was. Do you remember the grotty sex in the bushes? Oh, yeah, completely on view to everybody. That was good. One of our workmates looks over and just sort of shakes her head.

That's not spoilery that doesn't affect the actual plot i don't think that's true that's a selling point but look i certainly agree with you that it's extremely morally gray i like the tone of it i thought everything was slightly over the top and exaggerated you know benicia del toro, I don't know whether it's that particular show, but he's become quite a fascinating looking man. He looks sort of weirdly glamorous and feminine, whilst also very sort of gruff and masculine. There's a slight sort of campness to his performance in that. And Dano is so kind of anxious. And then the art that he paints and it's so terrible and everyone thinks it's so amazing.

You know, the puppies, like it's all sort of weirdly grotesque. Yeah. The two, both inmates were quite good at painting, right? Yeah. So they paint these fairly tacky pictures of real people. Some of them, like there's a portrait of Hillary Clinton that one of them paints, which is really quite good. Yeah. And then what about the very final shot?

Over the closing credits, they show you the real art that the real criminal did. And the final shot is this picture of a cat he did as an apology to someone. It's this kitten crying. A kitten crying with a rose and it says, I'm sorry. A sign saying, I'm sorry. But the look in the kitten's eyes are as if it's just mass murdered 100 people. It's a really sinister drawing. I liked it, man.

I thought it was really good. Because I'm not into that. You know, you watch much more episodic TV than I do. Right. I don't watch much at all. And for some reason, I committed to this to this you know i've got to confess i've never seen breaking bad or the sopranos or 24 i never watched any of those things because i was so obsessed with watching films things that ended you know yes so maybe i'm just a novice and and it's the sort of thrill of the

new for me but i really enjoyed it i found it really gripping and no it's definitely good no doubt and then just the the heinousness of the stuff that benicia del toro's character does when you get around to learning about it holy shit i found that very powerful the um the fact that it had got me to care and I don't know whether I really should have, you know? Yeah, no, absolutely. All that worked extremely well. Dramatically, I thought. It was very interesting dramatically, I thought. But it just bummed me out.

Yeah, I should have recommended something more upbeat. There are murderers in Shawshank, aren't they? Andy Dufresne is not a murderer. But there's lots of very sympathetic characters who are. But in Shawshank, they sort of gloss over it. I don't know. I haven't seen that movie for years. I'm not sure.

Yeah, I think they're sort of careful about exactly how murdery they are. Yeah. Yeah. Just a little bit of light murdering. Reasonable murder. Reasonable Yeah. Just a little bit of light murdering. Reasonable murder. Reasonable murder. Justifiable murder. The thing, though,

that has been cheering me up was Grayson Perry's Art Club. Oh. Have you watched that? I haven't seen that. No, is that on telly? Yeah. It's finished now,

but I guess you can Sky Plus it or find it through your TV provider. I don't know. But if you can, if you are able to i would recommend it my friend louise who is the person who kind of organizes the bug shows that i do she's produces them all is brilliant and she said have you been watching grace and perry's art club i think you'd love it and you should have been invited on it. So I was like, Oh, what's she talking about? And so I checked it out. And you know who Grayson Perry is? Yes.

Right. Turner Prize winning artist, brilliant maker of pottery, and all sorts of other artworks, but mainly kind of sculptural artworks, I would say. And he is very watchably great and sympathetic and eccentric and lovable and open minded and thoughtful. And I mean, you know, he's like the perfect guy. Probably he'll get cancelled now for something terrible, but I hope not. And he hosts this show with him in lockdown and it's him and his partner. And she's also an artist and seems very nice. and it's him and his partner and she's also an artist and seems very nice and they've rigged the whole house with remotely controlled hd cameras so there's no crew in there it's a lockdown show it's a lockdown show but it's really nicely done it's the best sort of lockdown show

i've seen by quite a long way and then they have remote hookups with mainly comedians i thought you're gonna say prostitutes no they don't and also you're supposed to say sex workers sorry i'm sorry that's okay um they have remote hookups with mainly comedians so they had jessica hines was on there they had Jessica Hines was on there. They had Jim Moyer, you know, Vic Reeves. They had Lolli Adafope. They had Joe Lysett. And they were giving them tasks. It was a bit like when we used to do Text the Nation or Song Wars, you know, we'd have a theme.

So he has a theme every week, like the view from your window or fantasies or something like that. And then people send in artwork and he shows some of the ones that he likes, a bit like the gallery from Vision On when we were little. And then the celebrity artists do their stuff. And actually, they were all pretty good. Having some liquor at all sorts all sorts yeah a bit noisy which one did you have am i right in saying you know the actual names of all the licorice all sorts no someone told me that adam buxton knows the true because they're an italian confection that adam buxton knows all i'm just making it up hoping you you'll play along. I will play along then. Yes, that's correct.

I do, yes. Now show me one. So that, you're holding up a square with three layers. Bottom layer brown, middle layer black, top layer white. What's that one called? That is called the iced shit sandwich. Oh, I thought it was the Sancho Panza. I thought they were sort of flamboyant Italian names.

What about this one? The yellow circle with the black centre. That is called despair. I'm not going to do the whole packet. Oh, I was just limbering up. I was feeling bad about going for shit sandwich straight off the bat. When you went for Sancho Panza. What about the pure licorice log?

The pure licorice log. Oh, that looks like something from Chernobyl. That's the fuel rod. The fuel rod. Doesn't sound very Italian. Chagobble. I don't really like the pure licorice ones. Chernobyl. 14 BAFTA nominations. chagobble i don't really like the pure licorice ones chernobyl 14 bafta nominations really did

it win any i don't know i don't think they've happened yet have they oh no maybe you're right yeah they just did the nominations didn't they sorry i'm having a all sort repeat on me so anyway grace and perry's grace and perry's art club great. I did see a bit of it. You're reminding me. I saw the end of the one with Joe Lycett in it. But as soon as I saw that it was lockdown, that there was someone on Zoom in it, I switched it off. Yeah, Zoomed out. And I should have committed, but I'm so fed up of just rubbish quality, you know, people in their front rooms.

I agree. Can't handle it anymore. 100%. But I'm sure he thought of a good way to do it. Yeah, because it wasn't rubbish quality because the cameras they'd installed in the house were top notch. So it was really nicely filmed. And the hookups with the remote hookups with the comedians, you know, it didn't take up very much time. So you only got a small amount of

low quality zoom footage and it was very dealable with i liked it a lot i guess these uh restrictions have been in place long enough now for hopefully the smart inventive people to come up with formats that actually do clever things with it and that sounds like it could be one of them yeah because i don't think was that a show he used to do before the lockdown i don't know i don't know i don't rightly know mr buxton sir i'm not sure but i think grace and perry's art club might have been created for the lockdown but hey how are you doing man how are you doing, man? How are you feeling? What's the weather like in your head? Do you want glib answer or real answer? Real answer, whichever you feel most comfortable in giving me. Right. Not that good. I have to be honest. And actually, it seems to coincide it actually with the real weather taking a bit of a downturn. But no, I mean, the thing is that my mum died very unexpectedly and I was totally sideswiped by it.

She got cancer a few years ago, but we thought she'd kind of got on top of it. And it was being dealt with and treated successfully and managed by the wonderful NHS. And then the thing is that during the lockdown, I think she really deteriorated, but she didn't let on. She was old school trooper, you know, and just would insist that she was fine and stop fussing and all that kind of thing to the point of getting quite irritated if I pressed the point, you know, and would would sort of threatened to hang up on me if I kept on asking if she was OK. but then eventually I just got worried. So, you know, there were lots of twists and turns, but long story short, I was worried enough about her that I felt that I had to go and pick her up from her home. How far away from you did she live? She's down in Reading, so about three hours away.

OK. But when I picked her up, she was in bad shape, so we more or less took her straight to hospital. But I thought she was just run down and she hadn't been looking after herself properly so I hoped that she would rally and make a recovery and we'd be able to look after her and get her back up to speed.

And she was discharged from hospital after three days but the second night she was back with us, she died. And it was quite bad. I mean, it was obviously bad, but it was really bad because I didn't expect it. And I didn't know she was that fragile and that ill. And so I was left, obviously, shocked and bereft in every sort of way, but also just feeling like, shit, I didn't help. One of the things I thought was, you know, I said at the end of the last podcast that I put out, oh, I'm going to take a break for a few weeks because my mom is with us.

She's not very well, but I'll be back soon, you know. And it sort of crossed my mind like, God, this doesn't look very good. You know, I immediately killed my mum. Basically, I picked her up. And next podcast, it'll be me saying, yeah, some of you are wondering perhaps how my mum's doing. She died. I don't think anybody would see it like that.

I don't obviously think that. But it did sort of cross my mind like, oh, I killed her. No, I think it's amazing how, you know, proactive you are with your mum and dad, or you were with your mum and dad. Yeah. And lovely for them to be able to both be with you at that time. I think something pretty unusual about that you know obviously not a good thing to happen but comparatively speaking lots of good things about being where they were don't you think absolutely you know i keep telling myself i keep imagining how i would

have felt if she'd been found you you know, in her place alone. And I hadn't been there or I hadn't tried to go and get her. And I would have felt much worse about that. But I just felt totally useless. You know, I just wish that I'd been able to go full action stations and made her more comfortable. And don't know all this kind of thing it's never ideal i suppose but it's certainly harder when it's unexpected like my dad was with us for nearly nine months or something and we knew what the prognosis was with him and he was quite a

bit older you know my mom was 81 my dad was 92 or something i just had it in my head that we were going to have another chapter she was going to be with us and you know it would have been stressful her living with us i'm sure but there would have been a few more moments and she perhaps i don't know maybe i'm fooling myself but i sort of thought more than my dad, she might have been up for a bit of touchy feely closure. That's not a nice phrase. I don't think I regret using that phrase. But she would have been up for something, you know, because my dad was kind of a grumpy old guy. Looking back on it, he was never really going to be doing the kind of heart to heart chats on the deathbed thing. And my mom struggled with her memory and her mental health had sort of deteriorated a little bit.

So maybe that was beyond her, too. When I got back from her place, we had the funeral yesterday and I picked up some bits and pieces from her house down in Reading and brought them back here. And one of the main things I picked up were her personal effects. You know, now we've got to do all this, all the admin and the probate and all that stuff to go through. stuff to go through but i also picked up a load of her photographs and things like that because i'd begun already during the lockdown the process of archiving my own videotapes and things like that a job that i had wanted to do for years but never had found the time and i just thought okay here we go i'm at home all the time now i can do this so i started archiving all my tapes and then when mum died i started going through some of my dad's boxes of photographs which i so far had never got around to going through because there are thousands and thousands and

thousands of 35 millimeter slides that he took over his 90 years he was a good photographer but i had never been able to face going through them anyway when mum died I wanted to find more photographs of her when she was younger and so I started going through my dad's photos as well and that turned into a real epic journey down that rabbit hole of the past and and my childhood and her childhood, his childhood. And oh my God, it was epic. And now I've got all her slides as well. And I've only looked at a few of them so far.

But immediately, it's funny that the thing that jumps out is that the vast majority of my dad's slides are of landscapes and big wide vistas and buildings not many people and if they are people there they're generally crowds but all my mum's photographs are close-up shots of people and portraits and people having fun you know which i think sort of probably says quite a bit about them not everything you know and there were exceptions. My dad took lots of really lovely photographs of us when we were children and of my mum. But I don't know.

I don't know about how good it is for the old mental health to be going on the archiving mission. I'm going to talk to a therapist next week for the first time. I finally, I've often thought about, shit, maybe I should do it, especially now that I'm looking down the barrel of middle age and midlife crises and all that stuff. You are talking to Dr. Fisher-Velag right now.

Well, I know. You are talking to a trained therapist. Remind me who Dr. Fisher-Velag was? I don't know. I found him on the flyleaf of some book about Freud. I think he was some, I don't know. He is a guy. But I just randomly found him in some book.

And we all thought, I thought you'd made him up because Fisher-Velag just sounded like a made-up name. I'm probably mispronouncing it. Fisher-Velag. And Joe always used to to say i'm talking to you now listeners joe what am i right in saying that when emotional matters were sometimes discussed you would turn into dr fisher yes oh yeah absolutely here he is giving advice in a german accent, advice is always better in a German accent. But that's a good idea, man. I've done that. I had a bit of therapy.

Oh, yeah? I liked it a lot, yeah. Did you get some answers out of it? I found that you tend to know the answers already. But it's extremely liberating to be able to say anything you want to somebody who you don't really know. And you know it'll be in strict confidence. And they're very good at asking you questions back that make you think about things clearly and not get tangled up in stuff. I found that very useful. I found cognitive behavior therapy very useful. about things clearly and not get tangled up in stuff.

I found that very useful. I found cognitive behaviour therapy very useful. Don't know whether you know or have read anything about that. I remember Louis talking about that, CBT, and saying that was useful. Really good, yeah. And you can basically get into that just by reading about it. That was very useful. And meditation I found very useful. Just in terms of viewing your

mind as a sort of organ that can sometimes deceive and be destructive to you and your thoughts are something that aren't necessarily uh they're of you but they're not really you do you know what i mean and getting some distance from the crazy big top circus of your brain but yeah so that sounds good man but i'm so so sorry that's so sad and she was a very elegant and lovely woman so yeah it's awful thanks man and and as usual you know thanks for your sympathy and as usual i'm gonna and you know it's particularly because your dad's funeral was such a lovely event with so many of us getting together. Right. Yeah.

Any friends. And it was such a memorable and good time. So it's a great shame that that can't happen again. Well, it will. It will. Good. I was going to say that one of the nicest letters I got was from your mum. What does my mum write to you?

She wrote you something when your dad died, right? That was very important. And I don't know what she wrote. Don't tell me. I don't want to know, but it's very intriguing. She's got some sort of magic. Yeah, it's a sort of kind, formal directness. She just pitches it exactly right.

Not too mushy, not too profound, not too bossy. It's just what you want to hear. So listen, this is a weird question, but what would you say? Because there'll be a lot of people, like if you put this out, there'll be a lot of people listening who are sort of in my position where their parents are still alive. But, you know, what's happened to you is eventually going to happen and obviously it's a very unpredictable scenario isn't it like um it can happen clearly in so many different ways like like you've had two very different experiences one quite protracted and the other sounds quite sudden and sort of, you know, caught you by surprise.

Yeah. And it may be it's too early to ask you this, but what would you say to people for whom that hasn't happened yet about their relationships with their parents? Because, again, a lot of people might have because you're right, particularly maybe it's just our generation. But that thing of pride. And I can see it happening to me when i get older that you just don't want to admit that you can or can't do certain things right whether it's physically or mentally yes and being told you can't do certain things must be so insult not insulting but um you just don't want to be reminded of the sort of biological reality of deterioration right yeah yeah yeah connected to self-esteem and

sense of your self-importance and so it's a bit of a minefield isn't it and and also you talk very well about you know wanting to have like sort of um emotionally resonant cathartic moments with your parents but often they're not that keen to do that. No, they come up very seldom, as far as I can tell. I don't know what the best way of doing that is. I think you lay the groundwork as you go along. That's what I'm sort of trying to do, if anything, with my own children. You know, it was important to me that they came to the funeral yesterday. came to the funeral yesterday and incidentally you know we we had to have the social distancing funeral and it was a very restricted and small group of family members that were there so it was

very functional was that weird yeah but it wasn't too bad actually because it can be pretty exhausting that um business of seeing people you haven't seen for many years who are kind enough to show up, maybe meeting people for the first time, distant relatives or friends of the person that you'd never met before. And, you know, that's hard. I mean, we've established before you and I that parties are stressful. And this is another kind of social situation that is stressful and exhausting and having to have these conversations over and over again and wanting to say the right thing and say something inspiring or i don't know what and it's hard so that didn't happen and i was a i was

sort of grateful for that as far as being able to remember her and celebrate her life i hope that's going to happen later the plan is for us to have a memorial service when things are somewhat back to normal and we can actually go into a church again you know we couldn't go into the church yesterday and so because she left quite detailed instructions about how she wanted her funeral to go and uh you know she had a poem t.s elliott the section of the wasteland she wanted us to read and and she had some music and some hymns and she said she wanted someone to make a speech that would make everyone laugh oh so hopefully that's going to happen still but as to your question of what advice I would have for other people,

I mean, I'm in the middle of the point right now where I feel as if I've got nothing. I've got no answers at all. And that's one of the things I'm looking forward to maybe moving past somewhat after I talk to a professional, a therapist, a little bit, to sort of organize my thoughts a bit more and get them into perspective. Right now, I'm still sort of consumed by sadness and guilt. And I feel like I'm not a good son. I feel like I didn't do a good job and I didn't get those cathartic moments and I didn't, you know, those cathartic moments and i didn't you know do things the way that i would hope it would be for me at the end you know what i mean um it's it's hard well i think you're being

hard on yourself and i think um i can remember a lot of very lovely moments with your mum with your mummy yeah no so can i she was good fun every one of them counts right isn't it sort of about the cumulative journey rather than the the very end the very end it's got to be that's a big all the stuff that leads up to it hasn't it it's got to be about every little um it definitely is because know, that's a big I haven't read enough philosophy to know how to tackle the idea of, you know, if your final moments are hard and sad and unpleasant, then does that sort of invalidate the rest of what's happened? And I can't do, can it? No. I mean, Fisher Villag can answer that one.

Nine. Nine. and it can't do can it no for lag can answer that one fish of a lag can answer that one nine nine but that is mainly because that person lives on and those experiences live on for for the people that knew them and loved them you know so our lives are more than just they have to be more than just what we personally experience and the pain that we experience or whatever we have to go through are the mistakes that we personally make. You know, versions of us are important and resonant for the people around us. We're all connected and linked in that way. Anyway, that's not a good answer to your question. It was a silly question, but it seems to me that it'll never be like entirely all right will it no that's the thing i've got a feeling the answer is going to be that you've just got to live with that and

you've got to make peace with the fact that you're not going to get your cinematic closure and with that i'm just going to make peace with my son oh where, where is he? Bring him on. Can you hear him? What's she doing? Bring him onto the, who is it? We've it's Nat. He's playing the drums. We've got a drum kit in the barn.

That is, and I'm recording this and it's pretty insensitive. While I was doing my inspiring, we're all connected speech as well. Bring him in and I'll tell him, I'll tell him off. Hang on one second. Oh, as well bring him in and i'll tell him i'll tell him off hang on one second oh it's tough to know the right moment to um fart during a conversation like that luckily uh that's a good moment don't use that i don't want the public to know that i fart sorted natty dread is he good is he good at the drums then natty dread um he is enthusiastic he's only recently

started um playing but what he does is that he listens to spotify on his headphones while he's playing so he'll play along the song yeah that's never never good headphones while he's playing. So he'll play along with the song. Yeah, that's never good, is it? It's not good because in his headphones he's Omar Hakeem. Because he's blended in, isn't he? He's sort of blended into the good stuff. That's like when you sing along with something and then you record yourself. Do you ever do that?

I only ever did it once because it always sounds so awful. But you can sing. I tried that and played it back and it's not good. But there were nice moments. Some of the nice things were, you know, apart from the fact that she was with us, and I'm glad she was, even though it was sort of gnarly at the end. I'm glad that she was with us and she liked being there. And the last moment that she was happy that day was when rosie came

in and she she liked rosie i'm sorry i'm gonna say that in a non-mad way well don't worry no you don't you're not gonna she loved rosie anyway but she um rosie came in and she loved Rosie. And also there was my son Natty played Claire de Lune on the piano very nicely. And she was impressed with that. And it was a beautiful day and she loved, she loved the weather, how nice the weather had been. And we were going to watch My Fair Lady, but she said, oh, I've seen it too many times. So, you know, I'm glad she was with us. And she had a good time, but she just,

she didn't like being old. She just thought, ah, screw this. I've had enough. When we were in the hospital over the weekend and, you know, you go to the hospital and I always forget, oh, you just wait around in the hospital. Like when we got there

and we had to go through the COVID process and I wasn't supposed to go in with her to the hospital because of COVID. But I said, look, she's addled and her memory's gone and she's going to need someone to kind of help explain everything to her so they let me in and initially I was thinking well I just want them to look her over and check her out and then you know we'll be back home in an hour and then we'll have some instructions about how to look after her and that'll be that but of course we spent the entire day there and then the entire night because everything takes so long because everything takes so long they're overstretched and you know blood tests and you've got to wait for the results

of the blood test and then there's a scan and you've got to wait for the results of the blood test. And then there's a scan. And you've got to wait for the result of the scan. And in between each process, there's two hours in the waiting room. People coming and going. Some people in real bad shape. Was she in a bed or in one of those weird chairs? No, she was in a weird chair. Because they keep moving you around as well. Yeah, a little bit. Shuffle over to this room.

Shuffle over to that room. And she wasn't very mobile. And anyway, she just got fed up. She was like just just didn't want to do it and said a couple of times are we gonna go home now and i was like no we've got to wait for the result of the blood and she go what oh i just want to be in heaven i just i want to go to heaven now and the nurse laughed and said well we all want to go to heaven but. And the nurse laughed and said, well, we all want to go to heaven. But I don't think she got the fact that mum was saying, yeah, now. I just want to go now.

I was thinking, well, that's a bit presumptuous. You don't know if you're dead or not. And then another guy, like we're in the waiting room, and one of the ambulance guys came in, a young guy, and asked if he could use the wheelchair that my mum had been using. And I said, yeah, sure. We're finished with it, I think. And then he looked at me and he went, hang on a second.

You're very famous, aren't you? And it was exactly the moment that I just didn't want to be dealing with anyone else. And so I just went, oh, no, no, no, no. And he said, are you sure? I mean, you look like the guy from the Adam and Joe show. And I said, no, no, no, no, no. And because, you know, everyone else in the waiting room was just looking over. And I just I just thought, no, I don't.

I'm not in the mood for this just at the moment. Normally, I'm delighted. But then my mom goes, it is him. He'm not in the mood for this just at the moment. Normally I'm delighted. But then my mum goes, it is him. He was in the Adam and Joe show. And the guy and the ambulance guy was nice. He was like, oh, that was a great show. And he said, you do brilliant work. He said to me.

I was like, thanks, man. So do you. Your work's more important than his, though. Yeah, there should be people clapping for me every Thursday night. I mean, saving lives, meh. Meh. Podcasts. Swearing on a podcast.

Juvenile podcasts. That's the real heroic work. Someone got a message through to me the other day saying, I like your podcast, but will you please stop using the F word? There's no need for it. Quite right. This is because, you know, you're getting bigger and your audience is growing beyond sweary types. Right.

Into sophisticates. Do you think maybe? Maybe. Yes. Different criteria. Anyway. right into sophisticates is that you think maybe maybe yes different criteria anyway look how do we transition out of let's not talk about transitioning this is the other thing as well you know is like all this personal sadness is happening against the backdrop of so much suffering for so many reasons at the moment not just the pandemic but black lives matter and civil rights and fierce and passionate debates over trans rights and oh my god it's just it just feels like a world of pain roiling out there i have to believe that things have got to start getting better. Is this now putting into perspective why I wasn't quite so delighted as I should have been with Escape at Dannemora?

Yeah, maybe. Maybe I should have suggested something more upbeat. Yeah, certainly excusing your inability to come up with funny names for licorice all sorts in future if stuff like this happens just remember your primary function coming up with funny names um hey man i wanted to ask you about your little one and when i say little one i'm talking about your child uh she's really well she She's gorgeous. She's beautiful. It's quite hard work, isn't it? Yeah.

She was a good sleeper the last time I spoke to you. She is a good sleeper, but it's the bits when she's awake. Right. Because she's crawling around now and she's very, very curious about dangerous things. That is the most exhausting section. Jeepers creepers. I mean, she's absolutely absolutely gorgeous she's a bit like mint choc chip ice cream like it's absolutely delicious and when you don't have any you see

other people with mint choc chip ice cream i said oh i wish i could have some mint choc chip ice cream but now i've got it all the time i like i have to got it all the time. I like I have to eat it all the time. Do you know what I mean? You wouldn't mind. It's still delicious. It's absolutely delicious. But like all the fucking time with the mint chocolate chip ice cream. But she's really gorgeous.

She's absolutely beautiful. And she's doing all this very cute like chatting they call it and she's just discovered how to do intonation so she's starting to say gibberish that has the correct melody to it which is very charming yes that is charming but i'm impressed like anyone who's got two or three kids, I'm now very impressed by. I guess people tend to have them in rapid succession just to get that bit over with, right? Yeah. Like we're in this mode now of like having to focus on this person all the time. Let's just commit to this for like six years.

Have three and then we can move on. Yes, I suppose. But you had your third you had your third after the other two there's a gap yeah i was happy to stop at two and then there was a big conversation which i lost oh but now i can't imagine having stopped at two. No. The third one was really good. We're watching a lot of CBeebies. Did you watch a lot of CBeebies? Yeah, we watched Tractor Tom.

I mean, we used to get, but it's different for boys maybe, although that's a very reductive binary thing to say, and I apologise. That's you, Dan i apologize sorry that's such a shame but in a way it's a privilege to have been here when it happened like that was the that was the exact wow i mean the exact moment i got cancelled but um i don't know if it's society's fault or if it's the way we've brought him up or what, but for whatever reason, our first born, who was a cis male man, really liked videos of farm machinery. Like he liked Tractor Tom. And then we found out that, you know, he wanted the pure stuff. Tractor Tom was cut with too much rubbish.

He wanted to go to the source and so we got him some 100 pure tractor action really and yeah for like tractor nutters like hardcore yeah yeah from tractor manufacturers their sales videos and things like that yeah so we ended up just watching a load of farm machinery how does he feel about that stuff now he's not into farm machinery anymore he's into quite industrial um dance music though isn't he he does like that he likes the sound he could probably listen to a combine harvester and sample there yeah did you so you're how old is your daughter now 11 12 she's 11 yeah she's 11 so she she would have been born or been a baby

around the time that in the night garden started right in the night garden right yes i do post telly tubby's weirdness yeah in the night garden was bad though wasn't it well it's strong stuff do you remember it at all no i don't think i ever had to watch that, I'm glad to say. So you don't know who Eagle Piggle is? I do remember Eagle Piggle, yes. What do you remember about Eagle Piggle? Wasn't Eagle Piggle sort of pink and purple striped? No. Am I thinking of someone else?

That's actually Daisy. Oh, OK. Eagle Piggle's pretty cool, like a blue cuddly person with a red comfort blanket. Eagle Piggle's in the Urban Dictionary. Having an Eagle Piggle means to have a dilemma of a time to be stressed out and frustrated. Is that post Night Garden? Yeah. You're going through an Eagle Piggle right now, I think. I'm going through a massive one.

Massive Eagle Piggle. Massive Piggle. Upsy Daisy is the girl with the multic-colored braids and like a pull on her skirt that inflates when she dances i'm not sure that's cool makapaka ah you see that's i don't like that name why not something it's too babyish makapaka well it's four babies i know but come on is that a fair it just sounds like makapacker. Maybe I've heard Richard Herring talking about Macapacker. Really? And I just thought, no, I'm not up for Macapacker.

I should be talking to Herring about this. Macapacker is like a beige person with an oval head, little piles of rocks for ears, and a little pile of rocks on top of his head, lives in a cave, likes collecting and washing stones. I mean, you did just describe Richard Herring, though. Ogpog? Ogpog. What's the deal. Ogpog? Ogpog.

What's the deal with Ogpog? Ogpog is Macapacca's three-wheeled cart. Macapacca travels around the garden with Ogpog. And in Ogpog is some soap and a sponge. He washes other characters. And he's got a special trumpet. But don't we all? The Tombaloos.

Do you know the Tombaloos? know that do you know the tomboloos do you remember the tomboloos no no i never watched the whole episode tomboloo on how many times do i have to tell you i don't know what you're talking about well you see where i was going with this was because it's it's sort of nonsense you're going to direct it well now how do you how do you come up with this stuff like i assume that there's some amazing brilliant pediatrician or some incredible psychologist who is somehow constructing this stuff right the ninky-nonk the ninky-nonk is a train that zooms around the garden looks like a big red banana with a big apple on top pulls a large green melon with windows the ninky-nock the pinky-ponk is an airship that

glides no it's not yeah this is real the pinky-ponk is an airship that glides gracefully through the air it's green with colored spots little oars sticking out all over it and a bulbous pink ball on the front that lights up and makes a farting noise are you still talking about the ninky-nock i'm talking about the pinky-ponk oh the pinky- the pinky punk i mean it really goes on the ponty pines the wattingers the hawhos it's the kind of thing that makes you think it would be easy to make it up you just say nonsense words but actually it's not that easy is it blickety pock a five thousand feet tall but incredibly thin person with a block for a head with prickles on it when he gets tired his body goes limp and the prickly block falls to the ground and can

seriously hurt you if you're underneath is this your show that you've made up now prickly block is very sad when this happens and he cries but when he cries he sneezes tumblers and leaks a river of fizzy lemonade and shits out cakes, which cheers everybody up again. I'm just suggesting it as an addition. I think it would be quite easy to just slip in a new character. Wait, when did we transition from real night garden stuff to your stuff? The stonky hoot. A pink spring shaped like a French horn that boings around the garden and emits a cloud of stench out of one end and inhales it down the other that's good you see because all this stuff

is vaguely to do with going to bed yeah so i think the stonky hoot is like when you break wind in bed what was the last night garden name that you mentioned the last real one yeah uh the the ha who's so blickety pock and the stonky hoot are my uh my pictures for new characters that's good um okay i'm going to uh my wife is texting me because we had a tense conversation earlier on and now she's being nice but she's texting me at the wrong moment do feel free to go and deal with it or whatever you want hang on still recording i don't love you anymore anymore did you i did i was i took my head off for a second what did it say?

still recording I don't love you anymore is that going to go down well? will she understand that? there's bubbles coming up ok thumbs up that's a healthy relationship we've got there I do love you

actually I do love you, actually. Come on, bubbles. Hear the bubbles. Bubbles. Bubbles. I hate it when the bubbles come up and then they go away. Yeah, that's bad, isn't it? Oh, it's so bad.

Do you know that noise is actually a man a disappointed man she's replied that's okay i'll be all right yeah that's not what i expected anyway some of the oh I know why I was looking your family are ruining this podcast they're ruining this podcast your brother on the drums your wife divorcing you

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Beatles. Which one? That was Mean Mr. Mustard. Mean Mr. Mustard? continue what are you drumming along with huh what are you playing along with beetles which one um that was mean mr mean mr mustard yeah sounded great cool thanks Hey, welcome back, podcats. Back out here on the farm tracks behind Castle Buckles. And Rosie's up ahead bouncing. It's now a few days after my trip to the beach. And after a few very sunny days, the weather's shifted again. It's a little less clement.

Thanks for the weather check, Buckles. No, that's fine. Joe Cornish was talking to me there, of course. Thanks very much indeed to him. I had to check with him about leaving the fart in, though. I thought he might be a bit worried about it, but he was cool. Sounds like Rosie has spotted a rabbit. By the way, I looked up Dr. Fischer-Velag,

and it's not the name of a therapist, but a major German publishing house. So that's probably why the name was on a book that Cornballs was reading as far as my own therapist is concerned I've had a couple of sessions now and I'm totally fixed, which is great no

I'm beginning the process of trying to get things into perspective and hopefully getting out of some bad mind habits and cultivating some better ones. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But listen, before I say goodbye today, I'm going to share a few random memories of my mum, just because I'm aware that I've talked about my dad a lot over the years on this podcast and in my book, which was fine by mum. She wasn't yearning

for minor celebrity, but I feel bad that the few times I would mention her, in fact I mentioned her in the last podcast with George the Poet, and I tended to characterize her quite lazily, I think, as a daily mail-reading Brexiteer. I mean, she was, and it made Sunday lunch quite tense on a number of occasions, but of course there was a lot more to her than that, Of course, there was a lot more to her than that. In no particular order. Random memories. Mum loved drinking booze, especially white wine.

But it never made her mean. She would just laugh a lot more. She had the most beautiful handwriting I've ever seen. Generously curved and fun to look at, but elegant and precise, in stark contrast to her physical appearance, which was gaunt, unkempt and spiky. It wasn't, that's a joke. She did look like her handwriting. My parents sent me to boarding school, and for the first few terms there I was homesick AF. We weren't allowed suites, but Ma would send me exciting parcels of underwear and stationery, inside which she would stash Texan bars, Caramax, and Raisin and Biscuit Yorkies. Ooh. When I started getting self-conscious about my bad

skin in my teens, Mum taught me the value of moisturising, which I still do today, and let me use her makeup to conceal my most active facial volcanoes. Mum shared and encouraged my love of music, and though Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald and Gustav Mahler were her preferred jams, we would listen to Radio One in the car car and she would enthuse about songs that I really liked as well. Message in a Bottle by The Police, Einsteiner Go-Go by Landscape, Ghost Town by The Specials. As I got into David Bowie,

I would sit on Mum's bed with her now and then and put a pair of Walkman headphones on her head and play her new discoveries that I was particularly excited about. All the madmen. So many different sections. Quicksand. What do you think the words mean? And her favourite, space oddity. Is he called Major Tong? The day the stabilisers came off my bike, when I must have been about 38? No, younger than that, maybe six. My mum told me a joke. A little boy is riding his bicycle and his mummy is watching him. The boy lets go of the handlebars and yells, look mum, no hands. His mummy replies, be careful

darling. Then the boy takes his feet off the pedals and says, Look, Mum, no feet! Just be careful, darling, says his mummy. Then the little boy goes flying, head over heels off his bike, landing face first on the pavement. But he gets back up, turns round and says, Look, Mum, no teeth! That's the way my mum would say it.

She liked doing the whole, No mum, no teeth! bit. That would really make her laugh. It's sort of a sick joke, really, if you think about it. But, oh man, it made my mum laugh. So I thought it was funny too. Unlike my dad, mum liked comedy on TV.

And I can hear her very clearly in my mind, laughing at shows that I'd be allowed to stay up and watch in the late 70s, like The Two Ronnies, Some Mothers Do Avum with Frank Spencer, and It Ain't Half Hot Mum. about a Royal Artillery concert party based in Deolali in India, I found out by looking at Wikipedia, and later the sitcom was set in Burma during the Second World War. That was a programme, you will know if you are a similar age to me, that was made up entirely by what would now quite rightly be considered offensive and hurtful stereotypes and attitudes of every kind. But back then, it was just a bit of racist, homophobic, classist fun.

However, I'm glad to say that the bit I remember Mum laughing at most was, I don't think, too offensive, maybe a bit insensitive, but it was the character of the intolerant Welsh battery sergeant major, played by Windsor Davis, who is just more or less permanently furious. The character, that is, not Windsor Davis. And if anyone had the temerity to complain to the sergeant major, his reply was always, Oh dear, how sad, never mind. Oh dear, how sad, never mind. He would say that in various different ways, in every programme. And it would always set mum off.

And she would hoot, oh, he's so awful. Mum also loved going to the movies. And I have fond memories, some of which I write about in my book, of her taking us to see Star Wars, which she really loved. Maybe even more than us, I think. And she got me all the action figures when I begged her for them that we ended up using years later in the Adam and Joe show for our little toy movies. And we saw E.T. and I was freaked out because afterwards she was just

crying and crying. She was in bits. But the comedy film that made the biggest impression on us both, apart from Airplane, I I mean there were lots actually. But I do remember very clearly watching. Monty Python's Life of Brian. With mum. One weekend. We rented it on video. And I have it in my diary.

January 1985. When I was 15. And I remember her hooting. Right the way through. which was very exciting because it was an 18 and uh it was it felt a bit sort of risque to be watching this kind of thing with your mum and then to find that she liked it so much was just terrific uh she loved the ex-leper Michael Palin's ex-leper and Willis Wadowick she would quote quite a lot and most of all though more than anything always look on the bright side of life which was certainly her philosophy and I remember dad coming in while we were watching Life of Brian

and at the end and he didn and he didn't like it. He shook his head. He didn't think crucifixion was really a laughing matter, which, to be fair, it isn't. But mum was able to see the bright side. Anyway, parents, family, it's always complicated, whoever you are, but I'm very grateful to have had a mum and a dad that loved me, did the best for me whenever they could. So thanks mum,

thanks to Seamus and Matt for their help on this episode thanks to Joe as well and thanks to you podcats for tuning in again and for the next few weeks I'll put out a few more podcasts before taking a break for the summer because I was going to, you know, do a slightly longer run and then it got interrupted when all this happened a few weeks back. So I wanted to resume for a few more episodes. I don't know, like three or four or thereabouts. And then break for the summer

and then start up again in the autumn, I suppose. All right, look, I hope you're all doing okay out there. And till next time, make sure your mum and dad know you love them. If you do, and if you don't, I don't know, pretend. They probably love you, but maybe they're just not good at showing it. Whatever. I love you. Bye!

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