THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.132 - ROBBIE WILLIAMS

Episode Date: October 3, 2020

Adam talks to British pop star Robbie Williams about insecurity, oversensitivity, UFO sightings, what it's like to be dissed by a musical hero from beyond the grave, whether Adam will be invited to Robbie's private island, why the Brit Awards weren't fun, and Adam plays Robbie his rude version of Rudebox.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and to Matt Lamont for conversation editing. Podcast artwork by Helen Green https://helengreenillustration.com/RELATED LINKSWOW PRESENTS PLUS (SIGN UP TO STREAM THE ADAM AND JOE SHOW ETC.) NEW ADAM BUXTON WEBSITEADAM BUXTON'S RAMBLE BOOK (HARDBACK) (WATERSTONES)ADAM BUXTON'S RAMBLE BOOK (AUDIOBOOK) (2020, AUDIBLE)ROBBIE WILLIAMS - STAYIN' ALIVE ("CORONAOKE" LIVE) (2020, YOUTUBE)JON RONSON AND ROBBIE WILLIAMS JOURNEY TO THE OTHER SIDE (2008, RADIO 4 PROG ON YOUTUBE)ROBBIE WILLIAMS AND RUFUS WAINWRIGHT PLAY 'CHANGES' (2016, YOUTUBE)ROBBIE WILLIAMS AND THE HORNE SECTION PERFORM 'ANGELS' (2020, YOUTUBE)'ROBBIE WILLIAMS BONKERS PRIVATE ISLAND IDEA' (2020, MIRROR WEBSITE)ADAM BUXTON ON SAMIRA AHMED'S - HOW I FOUND MY VOICE PODCAST (INTELLIGENCE SQUARED WEBSITE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Rosie, did you go for a wet walk? What do you reckon? Okay. It's really horrible out there. You up for it? Good enough. I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone

and found some human folk. Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke. My name is Adam Buxton. I'm a man. I want you to enjoy this. That's the plan. And I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. It's a soggy flypast from the hairy bullet. Hey, how are you doing, podcats? Adam Buxton here. Ugh, it's really grim out here in rural Norfolk. Today, at the beginning of October 2020.

Rose, this way, look. You like this way. Oh, I love that way. There you go. Now she's got a spring in her step. She's been lying around this morning. I think she's a bit hungover. We told her about Donald Trump getting SARS-CoV-2 and I think she had a few too many glasses of schadenfreude. I never touch the stuff, obviously, so I'm feeling great. But look, it's a busy episode. So let me tell you about my guest for podcast number 132, the British singer, songwriter and entertainer, I'm just going to go for pop star, Robbie Williams. Here's a few Robbie facts for you, in case you need reminding. Robbie, currently aged 46, found fame as a member of the pop group Take That from 1989 to 1995. But he achieved even greater commercial success with his solo career, beginning in 1997. Since then, Robbie has received a record 18 Brit Awards, including four awards for Best British Male.

That's more than me. Two for Outstanding Contribution to Music and the 2017 Brits Icon Award for his lasting impact on British culture. In 2004, he was inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame after being voted the greatest artist of the 1990s. His record sales stand at over 77 million worldwide, making him one of the best-selling artists of all time. Behind those stellar stats, however, Robbie has been candid about his frequent struggles with anxiety, low self-esteem,

and various addictions, particularly during the busiest parts of his career. He moved closer to what seems to be a more stable and happy personal life in 2010 when Robbie married American actor Ida Field. The couple now have four children together, the youngest of which was born earlier this year. Enforced downtime in 2020 has led to Robbie and Ida sharing their various domestic adventures in a podcast series called At Home With The Williamses. And Robbie has also been entertaining fans with live online karaoke sessions that he calls Corona-oke. There's a link in the description of the podcast to him doing not too badly at all at Staying Alive by the Bee Gees.

It's going through the gate. Hang on. Rosie, don't go down there. Double gates. Gareth and Bill there. Our conversation was recorded via video link in mid-September 2020, and among other things we talk about insecurity, oversensitivity, UFO sightings, what it's like to be dissed by a musical hero from beyond the grave,

whether I'll be invited to Robbie's private island, why the Brit Awards weren't fun, and how we came to be in touch in the first place, given that, as I admitted to Robbie, I was one of those people back in the 90s and on into the 2000s who sometimes found it hard to be enthusiastic about the swaggering entertainment juggernaut version of Robbie Williams. This episode contains very strong language.

It just pops out at you without warning every now and again, and it's the strongest of all the language, so watch out, please. I'll be back at the end for adam and joe show news and a podcast recommendation but right now with the winner of rear of the year 1997 and the smash hits award for best haircut in 1993 here we go Ramble Chat Hello. How are you doing, Robbie? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too, Adam. I'm doing really good. Talk to me about your white beard, but your black hair. Well, my hair is actually, it's not quite black,

but certainly the mission creep of the white hairs has not reached the top of my head yet. It's going down. It's sort of emanating from my chin up the sides of my face, and then it goes down and it's affected my chestal region. And then it extends down to the top of the Netherlands in the groin zone. That's too much information, but it hasn't so far gone onto the top of the head, which is quite nice. But what is happening is that everything's just thinning out. Yes.

You know, so now it's like under harsh lights. Yes. I just look like thin hair guy. I think your black hair looks very stoic, like it's fending off the beard. off the beard. Mine too has thinned out on the top and under harsh light, which our job requires us to be in, it exposes the grim truth. And I actually did a tour, my last tour, I was waking up with hair on my pillow every morning, like large clumps of hair on my pillow. And at one point during the tour, I looked to see how many dates I'd got left and tried to figure out whether I'd have enough hair to reach the end of the tour.

When was that? That was two years ago. Well, I wanted to ask you about, I mean, to begin with, how do we come to be talking today? You and I who have never met in real life before, and we're both sort of 90s guys. Yes. How is it that we are now connected via the internet? I enjoy your podcast. I'm a fan. But we have a friend in common, right? John Ronson.

Yeah. Who you went UFO hunting with for a Radio 4 program. I certainly did, yes. Yes, I did. And John emailed me a few months back and said, Robbie Williams would like to get in touch. Can I give him your details? And my first thought was, oh, that's cool. But then I sort of thought, sometimes in that situation, the other person has an agenda. Most typically, they want to promote something. But that wasn't the case with you, I don't think, was it? No, if I do have an agenda, I suppose it's sort of, I've done a couple of podcasts, And I suppose it's sort of, I've done a couple of podcasts and I've read in the comment sections that I'm going to have to change my opinion about Robbie Williams.

I used to think he was a dickhead, but now I quite like him. You know, it's the most when I'm not being the jazz handy or singing or dancing entertainer. And I erroneously thought that if I do 1000 podcasts, some people that hated me might like me. So that's my agenda, basically. I understand that impulse. And I think that you're right in a way to hope that the podcast medium might offer that more rounded picture of who you are. That's one of the reasons I like podcasting is because I do think you get a better sense of what makes a person tick than you would from any other medium I can think of TV and film and I but it's you know, we're in COVID. And I've got no audience, I can't go and do my job. And this is part of my job is being on the spot,

not sure what's going to come out of my mind next. It's exciting because it could cause an international incident. It has done before. It's a buzz. And what you do is quality. I'm happy to be part of it. And that's my agenda. Cool. Thanks, man. Well, that's a nice, honest response to that question. Were you aware of me in the 90s when we were both doing our bits and pieces, when you were in Take That and I was doing a TV show on Channel 4 with Joe Cornish? Yes, I was aware of you. I was aware of your disdain. I was thinking about it before we talked.

I was thinking, now, have I been publicly rude about Robbie before? And I was trying to rack my brains and i knew that in the 90s when you left take that like when you were in take that it was like i didn't really have an opinion because it wasn't that music wasn't for me you know it was i was like listening to indie pop and rock and that kind of thing so boy boy bands, that wasn't part of my sphere of interest. But then when you left Take That and you established yourself as a solo performer and then you just went through this run of kind of unavoidable, ubiquitous megastardom,

1997, life through a lens. So that was a big year for me. That was when I, me and Joe were on TV doing the Adam and Joe show. I met my wife. It was all like, it was a real seismic time. And you were a big part of the cultural landscape along with, you know, other things that year. Princess Diana killed. Bittersweet Symphony was in the charts.

Brimful of Asher by Corner Shop. Those were the songs that soundtracked the beginning of my relationship with the woman who would become my wife. And then on billboards everywhere, inescapably, was Robbie Williams, Life Through a Lens. And the big hits from that record were, remind me? Let Me Entertain You, Angels, All Before I Die. Right. Okay. And they were absolutely huge. So you couldn't really, yeah, you were unavoidable.

And you were unavoidable with this kind of cocky swagger thing that you did and do, I suppose, to an extent. I think the thing is, you know, it's like, you know, when people lead with sexuality and you're kind of like, I'm gone. I don't want to take part in this thing that you're doing, this sexual coquettish thing. Leave it out. You know, I am in your face and I am offering you a problem and the problem is you either like the energy that I'm trying to display upon your person or you find it obnoxious I totally get it you know it's like my whole act has been filling a space and trying to be someone against

adversity and the adversity being is that you know so I'm not really a singer I do okay at singing but I'm not naturally gifted with what would be deemed a proper talent. And I understand that. You know, there's like my talent, if you like, is my personality. It's the power of the personality, which some people will be attracted to. And some people will find obnoxious. I get it. You know, without being without the obnoxious bit of my personality when I'm performing, what would I have been? You know, because I didn't and I don't make in certain areas of thought and opinion worthy records or, you know know it's like I love the same people that you love you know it's like I dig the same music that you dig I don't make records like that it's not what comes out of me what comes out of me is like pure pop you know it's simple as middle

England because I'm from middle England. That's where I'm from. I mean, that's not technically true completely, because you are a very talented performer. And even when I found you most obnoxious, at no point would I have said, Oh, he's got no talent, because you clearly did. You're a great performer. And you're a great dancer and you're a great dancer and that's no small thing and also a good singer and you've written these songs which whether you like them or not are good at no point did i ever say oh angels that's a load of shit listen i'm a decent singer yeah but the thing is my whole way of being on stage is derived from the look if i knew and was told oh you've got an amazing voice ever since I was a kid because like when I was a kid I wanted to be an actor because I realized that my voice was only okay you know so that's what I wanted to do is act and I went into I auditioned for

take that got in left take that and then thought well, I enjoy music. I like writing these words. I'm going to try this out. Everything that I've done on stage is born of insecurity. And I suppose that if you know that, or you can pick that up and clear away the noise of what I'm trying to present with the smuggery and the arrogance. I think that people could find that inauthentic. And I totally get why I would be annoying for people. But it seems like a very counterintuitive strategy for someone who is clearly sensitive and thoughtful and doesn't enjoy being the target of people's irritation or contempt. Like it's a very high stakes game you're playing as someone who's going to be affected by these things. Did you realize that you were that sensitive when you went into it, when you became

Life Through a Lens Robbie Williams? Oh, yeah. No, I've always known that I was hideously sensitive. So I say those things that I've just said with 20-20 vision and with hindsight, if there was an Olympics for oversensitive, I would represent Great Britain. sensitive I would represent Great Britain. Which sort of begs the question, why be in that world then? Why consistently pursue that level of scrutiny and exposure? Well, look, you know, when I left Take That, I wasn't aware that I was going to sell 85 million albums and go into stadiums. I just happened to find 85 million albums and go into stadiums. I just happened to find myself there because that was the progression that my career took. All the awards that I've won, everything that I've done, I didn't expect to happen.

You know, I mean, through the power of cocaine in 1996, I thought I would have had a chance of doing something, but not being the person that I am today. That being said, I'm working class background, totally dyslexic, can't add, can't subtract, can't really spell. And my only talent has been my personality that has propelled me to where I am. I write nice melodies. Sometimes I get the words right. Sometimes they're smart. Sometimes they're poetic. Sometimes they're shit. But sometimes I get it right. And I enjoy the creative process. I also have literally nothing else to do. I was either going to get in to take that and become this or i was going to start selling draw for five quid and ten quid and then i was going to start selling ecstasy and then i was going to start selling cocaine to facilitate my own habit and then i was going to go

to jail so you know that's kind of what was going to happen to me. It was like shit or bust. I didn't have options. My only option was to grab Willy Wonka's golden ticket and try and take over the factory. But now you have taken over, at the very least, a large part of the factory and yet you still from time to time as far as i can tell struggle with these anxieties and this self-loathing

doesn't an instinct for self-preservation kick in especially now that you have a family and young children i think from the outside point of view, sometimes people see a star talking about their struggles with anxiety or self-loathing or whatever it might be, the pressures that come with being that successful and that public a figure. And they sort of think, well, the unkind ones think tough luck. That's what you signed on for. Stop moaning. But maybe other people think well look why don't you re-strategize and just sort of retire yeah but that's not where i am now right that's not where i am now or who i am now and i haven't been for quite a while yeah and in 2006 I did exactly what you've just said, which was sit on the sofa, wear a cashmere caftan from Morocco, eat honey Dijon crisps and Krispy Kremes, watch the Real Housewives of New York, put on 35 pounds and look for UFOs. So I retired in 2006. And in 2009, I just realised what I got from that,

which is what I've taken with me today. I need a purpose. I understand why when people retire, they die. So I did retire. I took myself out of the game. And when I came out of my cave in 2009, the bright light that shone on me, the intense light, the omnipresent Robbie Williams, that light had moved on and gone to other people. Then it became manageable. Because in 2006 I was what was considered to be in the tabloids box office you know it's like I was the story that was making them money so I was followed 24 hours a day

two three cars and they would come to me and then make the story up to make them money. By the time 2009 came, I came out of my cave and they'd moved on and they'd gone, which on one hand is great. And then on the other hand was a bit like, fellas, fellas, hello. But now that you have experienced that version of retirement, because how old were you then? You would have been still in your 30s, weren't you? 32. 32.

Quite young, really. Yeah. So that was your first crack at some form of retirement. Yeah. It doesn't always have to be that way. No one's saying that your next holiday from the limelight might not be quite different. Or do you think, are you now haunted by that first attempt at retirement? Do you think that you will just automatically

go and load up on Krispy Kremes and nice crisps? No, I heard somebody say you spend the second 20 years of your life trying to sort out the first 20 years of your life, trying to sort out the first 20 years of your life. Sounds right. And I'm 46. You only notice it when the period of time has passed and you look back at it and you've gone, something's changed. And something has changed. You know, I have got to a place where I am content. And it feels, it just just feels beautiful life's pretty fucking beautiful like I said to you before it's not because I'm supercharged on a 10 going

look what I've done look what I've achieved I'm actually just like at most days going, oh, Coco's just smiled at me. I love Coco. Or Teddy's just said a really smart thing. Oh, or my wife is empathic or all of the above. And yeah, I found clarity and I found happiness. That's great. And is that going to protect you through the next time that, you know, a wobble comes along? Things go wrong for all of us one way or another.

There's nothing we can, you know, people die, people get ill. Someone says something mean about you, whatever it might be. Yeah. Do you feel as if you're able to get through those now? We'll see when those moments come. Yeah, fair enough. We'll see when those moments come. Yeah, fair enough.

You can never say never, but I can't believe that I will be dragged under into the rip curl of my mind and be kept there, submerged. You know, I can't imagine that that will happen. That's good, man. I'm glad. Thank you. How about you? How about me? Hmm. Well, I've got a few years on you.

Are your parents still with us, by the way? Yes. So that is the thing that's happened to me in the last few years is that my dad died and then my mum died this year. And so I must say that has pulled the rug out from under me more than I expected, especially after I felt as if I'd stabilized quite a bit after my dad died. But then my mom died quite unexpectedly earlier this year. That was a bit of a shock. And it seems to have sent me into a bit of a philosophical hole, which I'm not always in. But, you know, I've just been wrestling with a bit of a knot in my stomach that I wake up with every day.

And I think it's a combination of all sorts of things, you know, lots of bad things, heavy things, running out of time and all that kind of thing. So it's a bit like that. And also, it's not helped by the fact that I'm reading at the moment a book called Antkind by a guy called Charlie Kaufman. Do you know Charlie Kaufman's stuff? I've heard of Charlie Kaufman. He wrote Being John Malkovich. Oh, yeah. And Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. And yeah, he's got a film out at the moment on Netflix called I'm Thinking of Ending It, which is his adaptation of a horror story as far as I'm aware. But he's also written this book. Anyway, the book is like, I'm listening to it on audio book. It's about 26 hours long or something. And so you embark on a journey like

that. And it's not dissimilar to getting into a podcast. It inhabits your mind. It leaks into you, seeps into you. It becomes for a while, however long you're listening to it, I mean, 25 hours, that's usually about a month's worth for me of listening before you get through that book. And it really colonizes your mind in ways that are quite stimulating, but also quite depressing sometimes, especially if the book, like Charlie Kaufman's main themes, seem to be how meaningless life is. Yeah, here's the thing, though. You know, 2006, everything that I saw about the industry that I was in, everything that I'd achieved, meant nothing.

Weirdly enough, Simon Cowell said, and it was one sentence, and it changed my philosophy, embrace the madness. And I was just like, okay, this thing that is defeating me, I'm now going to embrace it and become it. Things changed. All the things that I place in front of me distract me from the inevitability of death and the inevitability of dealing with my own emotions and the futility of life. So I place a carrot in front of me that I'm always going towards. And I have the ability to have several different ideas going all at the same time. And I have a sort of scattergun effect with my ideas, which means one or two out of seven will get done and will get completed. But there'll be things percolating in the background all the time.

And without that, for myself, I know I would spend an awful lot of time in a place that I wouldn't want to be, which is me dealing with me. So I kind of, I have the opportunity. I'm not saying that it's different from anybody else because you miss every goal that you don't shoot for. You know, you miss every basket you don't take the shot on. I'm taking the shot and then I'm inventing different ways to take different shots because it's exciting. What I'm also finding about the whole process of my job or jobs

is that, and I know it sounds self-helpy, but it's true because whenever I complete a project, I'm bereft of joy and I'm bereft of energy. But the inception of the project, the journey of the project, and then just before its final completion, I love it. And then three or four weeks before the end, I just nosedive. So what I'm saying to you is this, think it up and then do it. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's what I do do. And I relate to so many of those things that you just said. But I think everybody's different. Obviously, you deal with all this stuff in your own way. But my thing was, at a certain point, I thought, what am I doing this all for? Why am I so preoccupied with that idea of going to the next level or getting a bigger audience or some form of perceived success or whatever? What is that for? And if I was to achieve it, how would I feel? And I thought, well, probably I don't really, I don't know what it's for really. If everything's pinned, when you're talking about like that crash you get after a project is completed,

I've had that once or twice, but then I thought, well, why do I feel like that? Why don't you instead cultivate Zen? It doesn't have to be sort of like gifts in the material world. No, that's exactly what I mean. So I feel as if I am cultivating that to some degree. And I do, I'm very grateful, as you were saying before, for, you know, small pleasures. I mean, it should be noted, obviously, I'm sure there might be people listening to this will go, yeah, well, I'm sure both of you are somewhat insulated

from the meaningless of existence by your extremely nice houses and all the advantages and privileges that you enjoy. And that's true. But the thing is that I don't care who you are. It comes down to many of the same things at the end of the day, your anxieties and your ability to enjoy life. Yeah, I do think that, you know, people listening to it can feel that way. But I'm not speaking to them. I'm speaking to you. Okay.

Anyway, that's aside. The question that I do want to ask you is, what are your projects? What are you doing? What journey are you on? What is it that you are achieving? Fuck. I don't know, man. I've never I've, I've honestly never thought in those terms. And I'm always interested by people who do think in those terms. I'm just meandering. You know, I think part of the reason that you used to wind me up as a personality, someone I didn't know at all, but just the image you projected was that I felt as if I could see in you a lot of things that I was struggling with myself. So here's the thing that comes across from the book I read about you,

which was Reveal, 2017 book by Chris Heath and correct me if I'm wrong he seems to have spent like over a year with you and more or less transcribed everything that you did together and the conversations that he overheard and yeah that he had with you during that time so it's very Reveal and uh it's very honest and you seem to have said to him, keep it all in, man, even if it makes me look shit, even if it's behavior that most people, famous or not, would be embarrassed by or ashamed of. You've said like, fuck it, keep it all in, right?

Yeah, I've said keep it all in because it's pointed out to me in interviews i overshare you know i find that when i'm watching somebody on the television doing an interview and they're lying and you think well what they really mean is but they're not saying it it sort of bothers me so i kind of edit myself as i'm going through and go this is authentic and this is what i actually think so i'm actually going to say that i you know i i do live in a bubble i know i do and i can't know what i don't know i can only know what I do know and what is my life. Yeah. And also, you know, I've kind of made so many excuses and felt so guilty about my success all of my life, you know, not on stage, but everywhere else have made myself small.

I've made sure people are aware of how stupid I am, how I can't sing, all of those things. And I still do to a certain degree these days. But I make sure that it's okay for people to be okay with me, because I hate myself. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. And I still do it to a certain degree. And it's authentic. And I mean what I say when I have my own misgivings about my own talent or who I am.

But also at the same time, as a 46-year-old, I do get to experience abundance. And I do get to experience opportunity. And I can't have that be my fault anymore. Not in my own psyche and not in my own brain. I can't live that way anymore. Hi, this is a jingle about audiobooks. Not about my audiobook. This isn't an ad. It's just all about the medium. A-U-D, I-O-B, oh okay, sounds good to me. Cause it's hard to find time to I-read, see?

And this way I can be more literary. Taking chances with stuff I might not read with my eyes. Which very often means a nice surprise, and perhaps takes me back to when I was wee. And mum used to sit and read to me. But if back then she mispronounced a word, I wouldn't cry. And if her voice got clicky, I tended not to demand she die. But if an audiobook narrator grates, I can get into dangerous states quite easily. My audiobook is out now. Do you listen to audio books ever?

No. Oh, it's quite enjoyable. I think if you like podcasts, audio books is a logical progression. But I very much enjoyed listening to Reveal, Chris Heath's book about you. It was read by an actor called Joe Jamison. Have you listened to that audio book?

Did you check it? No. Well, it's very well done joe jameson does an excellent job and he does impressions sometimes or at least not full on impressions but he changes his voice to inhabit the character of various different people when they're speaking and he's very good he does a version of you, sort of chippy northern drawl he does for you whenever you're speaking. He does a voice for Guy Chambers, which is quite cold and posh. And I've got a couple of clips from the audiobook reveal. I wanted to get your response to these. And this is a clip in which you are and guy chambers are having

a conversation and guy is talking about some pop star from the 70s one afternoon guy starts talking about a mid-range 1970s music star largely forgotten now who has fallen on difficult times He's really sad, that guy, says Guy. Sad? asks Rob. Yeah, Guy continues. He had a major breakdown. He had terrible anxiety about being a pop star. It was like Beatlemania. He couldn't leave his hotel room for years. And he went nuts and had a breakdown.

And you see him now, and you can see on his face that something terrible happened to him. I don't leave my hotel room, Rob points out indignantly. Well, you're not sad, says Guy. Then, in the tone of a man who isn't quite sure how he has found himself in a slightly awkward spot, readjusts this a little. You don't have a sad-looking, he says, then halts again. He has a third try. You don't look destroyed by who you are

he tells rob no rob agrees but it is angles and lighting so there you go there's the there's that clip which i was playing to you to demonstrate the power of joe jameson's impression is that a good guy chambers impression as far as you could tell? Yeah. Yeah, I was in the room with Guy. And how about his impression of you? Have you ever heard an impression of you? Very seldom. Yeah. Well, the place that I'm from kind of lends itself when you hear somebody doing an impression

kind of lends itself when you hear somebody doing an impression of you to you yeah you kind of think i'm not backward i'm not slow you know it's it's that kind of thing where you sort of hear yourself back and you realize that to other people, you might sound... Like a simple book person. Like a simple, yeah. Somebody who doesn't read books, which I don't. I thought it was a decent impression of me. Stokes are a very difficult accent to do because you're in the middle of Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham, basically.

Right. And you've got bits of all of that, which was another thing about the insecurity of growing up in Staffordshire is because we didn't exist on the television. You were in between Central Television, which was the Midlands, and Granada, which was the more Mancunian sort of television company. So we didn't exist exist we never saw ourselves on the television our football teams weren't even represented with the scores of what had happened and I remember that there was an advert for uh Carpet World and they had several stores and one of them was in Stoke-on-Trent

and it was like Drake to Manor, Litchfield, Telford, Stoke-on-trent and it was like drake to manor litchfield telford stoke-on-trent and i can remember this pride inside that we were recognized from the godhead in the corner of the room you know that sort of oh we do exist which is why he does a very good impression of me but it is very difficult accent to do. Yeah. What would you think of somebody doing an impression of your voice? Yeah, it would unsettle me because my career has generally been more one of someone who is commenting on other people.

So it's easy to dish it out. It's not so nice to have a plate of it yourself. But what would you think that your voice sounded like? What would you think that your accent sounded like? Well, sort of posh, I suppose, and a bit drawly. Myself, Joe Cornish and Louis Theroux kind of adopted many of each other's conversational mannerisms. And so we do sound quite similar in many ways when we speak and so i suppose if someone was doing an impression of me it would be maybe a bit like this kind of my dad died and i'm so depressed and i love david bowie man and i've got a funny dog and i do a voice for the dog i I don't know.

I just offended myself there. I think I was a bit harsh with myself. I think you were incredibly harsh with yourself. I would write a letter, a strongly worded letter to yourself. No, that wasn't very nice of myself. I expected better of myself. Yes. Here's an impression now of Rufus Wainwright from the Reveal audiobook.

Rufus explains that the song he will play was written with his five-year-old daughter. The first ever Wainwright-Cohen collaboration. Better be good, shouts Guy. It's a nice sentiment for this evening, says Rufus. It's called Unfollow the Rules. She came up with that. Is that a good Rufus Wainwright impression? It's really good.

Is it? Yeah, genuinely. I mean, like, it's pretty much spot on. And Guy Chambers is pretty much spot on too. So I guess that I must be pretty much spot on. I think, I mean, he definitely evokes a certain something in you. I think maybe he can be a little bit too, you're a bit more upbeat in conversation, I think. He's a little bit like his impression of you is a bit heavy the whole time and a bit sort of weary and cynical. Yes. the book when you're at his house no you're at Guy Chambers house in Hollywood and I think it was the day that you heard David Bowie had died yes so Rufus was proposing that you play a song together one of Bowie's songs and I think in the end what did you play changes I think yes what actually

happened when Bowie died was like us all you know you devoed and you know you you have a sense of loss but you know that you don't really know that person but it's in your waking thoughts and you don't know how to feel about it and then two days later Dylan Jones from GQ wrote this piece about David Bowie and the crux of the piece was how last time he was speaking to David Bowie was about how he couldn't understand why Robbie Williams was successful which really spikes your grief you know it's like I was already sad. Now I'm like, there's no word for that in the English language. Yeah, it's like you've been grief salted or something. Grief salted. There's no word for when somebody that you really rate doesn't like you. So that was my memory of that moment.

It's funny though, listening to that Bowie anecdote in the book, the funny thing about Bowie was that he was very much the same sort of entertainer. I don't think that he was being particularly sniffy when he describes you as, you know, he calls you a song and dance man or something. Old school musical song and dance man. Which is what I am. Right. But also, I didn't read that as him being sniffy or contemptuous, because that's what he always wanted to be himself. He was always someone who wanted to do whatever it took to become a celebrity. And he was always honest about it. He was not this kind of artist who had to express himself in very specific and authentic ways. I mean, he was at various points and certainly more towards the end of his career,

but initially he just wanted to be famous. And so he always said that he ended up doing music because that was how you got famous in the 60s. You know, if the biggest celebrities in the 60s had been lion tamers, then he would have learned how to do some lion taming. You know what I mean? He was as kind of unartistic and unauthentic or inauthentic as that. So I think the idea that he would have looked down his nose at someone like you strikes me as being odd. And I don't quite believe that's what he was doing. I think maybe Dylan Jones was projecting some of his own snobbery, perhaps. Well, I'll take that and I'll run with it because, you know, love David Bowie. I don't know. I'm thinking I'm interpreting it in a nice way.

But we never do that ourselves, though, do we? We never interpret things in a nice way. It's hard to do. The only time that I've been able to appreciate anything that I've done is when I'm not aware that it's me. Right. You know, like Guy Chambers sent me a few songs the other week and I listened to the first two and I was like, ah, it's all right.

Somebody else was singing something. And then the third one, I started listening to it and I thought, oh, this is fucking good. Oh, that's a good lyric. I wonder who's got to sing this. And it was me and I'd just forgotten that we'd, one of our many songs that we tried to do, that I was listening to me doing a song

that I'd forgotten that we tried to do that i was listening to me doing a song that i'd forgotten that we tried to write and i was like oh the only time i like me is when i'm not aware that it's me when you've forgotten about you yes i'm gonna forget about me you know and i was watching somebody showed me the start of somebody's concert before the person had come on it was just fucking incredible and i was like this is blowing my mind i said who the fuck is this this i've got to have something like this and it was my tour i'd just never been outside the front to see the start of the show and it was 2006 close encounters so i find it interesting when I take out my own judgment about me and who I am. Yeah.

I quite find some of my work enjoyable. That was a fantastic combination of honesty and some of the most amazing humble bragging I've ever heard. Yes. Well, you know, for me, it's just interesting that if I separate me from my stuff, I like it. If I think about me being in my stuff, I don't rate it. Uh-huh. Okay. Just to go back to the audio book and to your relationship with Guy Chambers. You've worked together again a few times since you took a break from each other for a long time, right? Yeah, he produced the last two albums. So do you feel as if you've genuinely put to bed whatever disagreements you had or

personality clashes you had? Or is it a question of just sort of accommodating those differences now and kind of being mature about them? Well, Guy was in a seat of power for five albums because he was my musical mentor and also brother. What he said went, you know, it was kind of, I didn't trust myself enough to understand my worth, trust myself enough to understand my worth what I did how I created or what I created and he was the professor and brother and mentor emotionally I would say then I kind of on the fourth and fifth album a few things weren't adding up where I kind of realized that my best interests weren't necessarily Guy's best interests. And we fell out about that. Now it's kind of more, I love him. He's incredibly talented. We work really, really well together, but the position of power is mine because it should be, and it has to be.

It's my career. If he heard you saying that kind of thing, would he roll his eyes and go, oh, well, that's just Robbie? Or would he get pissed off about that? We talked about, just recently, about the split and he copped to a lot of behavior which really really helped for me when I lose trust with somebody I put my trust in people absolutely which is a problem of mine but then when I lose trust with people it's very difficult to regain it I think think that's just human nature. As it happens with me and Guy it's like I respect his talent 100%

but I'm kind of... I find it very difficult to go into that bad mouth in him and I don't want to bad mouth him because I don't need... There's actually no need. He's a lovely guy with a great family and he's very talented. Let's leave it at that.

I don't want to pointlessly draw antagonism out of you just for the sake of it he sounds like a fucking bastard I mean you should get rid of the guy what a fucking cunt he's so up himself he thinks that he's the one with all the talent I know I know I know Guy Chambers

fucking Guy Chambers Guy Chamber of Horrors Guy Toilet Chambers. I don't even know what that means. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no A couple of random questions. Go. Inspired by things I've read about you in the papers. Yeah. I'm just keen to follow them up. Did you get a private island?

No. Were you seriously thinking about buying a private island? Which private island is this? Is this a UFO island? No, I don't think so. I think it was just, this is something I read earlier this year. Robbie Williams is going to buy a private island. He's going to collect all the good people and he's going to wait out the pandemic with good people on a private island.

And I was interested to know, A, whether you had got the private island and B, which people you considered good. Okay, well, this is what, as you will know, it sounds, I can't remember saying this, but it sounds to me like I'm on Corona Oki on live Instagram and I'm going as a bit of a hoot. Do you know what we should do, people out there? Everybody that's watching right now we'll

get an island we'll just get you because you're good people and we'll go onto that island and we'll just wait this out right that's the only thing that i can think it is i can't remember saying it but it sounds like something like that so what happens is anytime that you say anything flippant or in humor they take out the irony and they take out the comedy and they print it like you actually did a press conference where you gave this information to the world robbie whitton cnn sky news i need you to be at my house and then i i walk down the drive and with a pre-prepared statement, I announce I'm going to buy an island and I'm moving good people to the island.

And of course, that's not what I meant. I did say it, but that's not what I meant. It sounds like it's one of those things. All right, man. But listen, if you do get a private island, I'd love to come. It would be great just to come for a couple of days. Okay. How many UFOs have you seen in total, do you think? I could hit it with a tennis ball. It was the size of a penalty box area and it was above some trees and it came in silently,

stayed there and then moved off silently. Witnessed by somebody else that was completely sober too. For unusual phenomena, I've witnessed quite a few things I can't explain. When was that that you saw the penalty box UFO? 16 years ago. And how were you, even though you were sober, at that point in your life, were you sort of emotionally fraught? I don't know. I'm trying to think of other factors that

might have contributed to it. Not to immediately cast doubt over your story, but as a sceptic? No, I was all right. I think that the juicy bits about my life are the sort of depression and addiction bits. The bits where I have months and then years of being all right, isn't that juicy? That was a period in my life where i was taking my sobriety seriously and i would say mentally i'd been the best that i had been up until that point yeah there was this was flat appeared over a tree it was matte black underneath. It had yellow stripes, weirdly, like the Hacienda. It had weird, like, yellow workmen, yellow stripes underneath it, as if it was a spaceship made by bears.

Here's the thing, right? What I thought when it moved out of view silently, I didn't think little green men. I thought this, well, there's a bit of technology that we're not being told about. And I thought it was the American government. That's what I thought. Yeah, you thought, wow, they've invented a compact hovering parking garage. Yes. And when you had that experience and when you've had other experiences like that, some of which are written about in the book, there's one story about you being in a studio and an area of darkness moves across the studio. It's like a sort of area where

there's like negative light. Does that ring bell oh yeah negative light it was a strip of negative light that elongated from the door came through the middle of me and my wife and my two friends and then went to the window and then followed itself out the pre thing to this was I was playing a song of mine and I was whittling lyrics and I was looking on my balcony at the San Fernando Valley. And it was a song about alien abduction and a gold disc appeared in the sky. And, you know, not wanting to look a fool in my head, I was just like, I get you, Venus. I know I see you, Venus, shaking your ass in the middle of the day. You won't fool me.

The song ends and the disc just blinked out. And I was like, still not having it. I put the song back on, lads. Song comes on, disc comes back. Song ends, disc goes away. I tell my friends to come out and watch this. I said, watch this, look over there. Song goes on, disc comes on.

Song ends, disc goes out. It happens another two times. We're all freaking out. We all walk back into the bedroom and we're all like, what the fuck is happening? And that is when the negative light, the strip of negative light, elongated like a tape measure

right the way through the bedroom 33 foot followed itself out and we just watched it go odd and this is still sober time sober times yeah okay the thing is about you know the non-sober times i never saw a ufo and i never saw a ghost. And I never had unexplained phenomena. You know, I just had incredible psychosis. But I didn't have anything that would justify the fear that was in my head manifesting itself outside of my head. The only things that have ever happened to me that have been highly unusual. I've been completely sober. Have you experienced any strange phenomena in the last few years? Not since the kids have arrived.

My focus, as soon as Teddy came, you know, my focus has just been on, OK, build a moat, build a wall, protect the citadel. Don't let anybody in. Go in go out accumulate make sure everybody's safe go to work do the thing look forward make more be things be bigger be that's just you know like either has been the sort of emotional caring to the womb to the bosom. And I have been the go out, forage and collect. And since my mindset has been on being a daddy, nothing weird's happened. No. Do you miss it? Was it thrilling to see those things? Yeah, it is thrilling to see those things. And it will become, God willing, if I get to stay alive for another 25 years, it will be a quest that I go on for a TV show or something like that, where I go and examine my own maybe mental illness, or maybe there's something to it. Because what I do think is this, I think something's up. That's what I think. I think

something's up. And I read everything to do with conspiracies, with UFOs, with Bigfoot, with ghosts, with ghouls, with absolutely everything, folklore, myth, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't believe anything other than something's up. Everything that I read, I go, hmm, that's interesting. There is no hill that I would die on and go, this is what's going on. They are invading the world. We are in a alternative reality. And this is a prison planet don't isolate that and just have that bit be the bit that i say yeah um so they are not my thoughts what normal people i say normal inverted comments would probably discount i go oh maybe you know yeah your mind is open. Yeah. Have you seen Sean Ryder's UFO program? I saw bits of it, yeah.

I've spoke to Sean about it. And also me and him have done a song together. Have you? Yeah. Sometimes I try, quite often I try to channel Sean Ryder when I'm writing songs. Yeah, because he's got a very enjoyably strange kind of lyric box. You know, he also said to me, I was like, you know, there was kind of like, it was just by a tree in front of me.

You know, he was just like, yeah, they come all the time, Rob. You know, and it's like, he sees what he sees. Yeah. Is the song going to emerge that you've done together? Yeah, the song will emerge. Plans change all the time, but hopefully sometime in the spring. Is that real melody? Heavy's in my phone charger?

I left it right there. Did you see it? Have you got it? Where's my charger gone? Where's my phone charger? The battery's about to die. It was on the table. Round and round in their heads go the chord progressions, the empty lyrics, and the impoverished fragments of tune. And boom goes the brain box at the start of every bar. At the start of every bar. At the start of every bar.

Boom goes the brain box. I've really enjoyed talking to you. And do you have any residual anxiety about where I'm coming from after my history in the 90s and maybe things that I might have said about you or whatever? I suppose that when you asked me about, you know, the do you come to this with an ulterior motive, Do you come to this with an ulterior motive? I suppose that I kind of probably wanted to put things to bed for me because I really enjoy your work and I enjoy your podcasts. I enjoy how smart you are. You make me laugh and I like how you talk to people and the conversations that you have.

I like how you talk to people and the conversations that you have. And for me, you kind of, you and Joe represent a certain type of person that I would kind of like to come to and go just for my own sake, really. Hey, this is me. This is what I'm about. And the residual stuff, I would say, is not really existent. But on the pie chart, a bit of me would wanted to be going, hey, remember, don't because come on, guys. One of the motifs in the book Reveal is your relationship with your song rude box yes and it's kind of a joke that runs through the book and i as far as i'm aware your public appearances ever since that song came out in 2006 and the joke is that you're sort of embarrassed about it i mean that the truth underlying it seems to be that you sort of felt hurt by the reception it received and you were surprised that people took against it the way they did.

And it sort of hardened as a moment of humiliation for you in your mind, despite the fact that actually, you know, it it did fine as far as I'm aware. It got good reviews from people like uh i'm talking about the album now i'm just this is wikipedia telling me that all music gave it a four star rating the enemy eight out of ten music week and mojo equally positive but then some of the broad sheets were sniffy and then you felt as if the response to the song was people just thinking no i'm I'm not having this. After several years of almost unbroken success and like you could do no wrong. Yeah, well, if you deem success to be the amount of records that you sell,

that was the end of imperialism for me. That record signaled the arrival of just doing extremely well instead of abusing well so much that it was the equivalent of stretching an elastic band from stoke on trent to mars it's not the album itself it's the single rude box and when that came out in my head i was like this is a bit of daft fun you know when you go you know tk max costs less jackson looks a mess bless and you go uh up your jacks you split your kegs i'm not being serious i mean i don't want this puppy to be abused but i'm also it's just a bit of daft fun. That was the energy that I came with. Right. Okay. That was a moment where

I thought, oh, okay. I was rude about Robbie then because I remember when it came out, me and Joe were on XFM. The song was on the playlist, I think. And yeah, I was rude about it. It was on XFM. I think so. No, I think XFM, I've never been on XFM's playlist. I'd have been on XFM as an example of a bad example. Well, we did a spoof. Well, we, I did a spoof of it. It's funny that you say it was you just having a laugh and being yourself. So to you, it seemed like you were kind of being relaxed.

But to me, it came across totally the opposite. It seemed like it was more calculating. And it seemed as if you had kind of distilled all the things that had made your previous single successful. And you thought, OK, how do I do that? What is it that I do that's really good? So I felt as if like here is someone who is cynically trying to encapsulate what makes him successful. No, no, no, no, no. Cynical encapsulation

of what's made me successful has only happened in the last two albums. Before then, look, this was just a stoned musing of a pop star in a mansion in Beverly Hills having a laugh with two of his mates from Stoke-on-Trent.

The people that I wrote that with were in Candy Flip. Were they? Yeah. And Danny made Strawberry Fields Forever, the cover, in his garage in Sneed Green in Stoke-on-Trent. I can assure you there was no cynicism behind that record, but I can assure you Rudebox was just me stoned going. I asked my wife if she thought it would be a good idea to play you my version of it. And she said, see how the conversation goes.

Okay, go. I don't think it's particularly horrible but i don't want you to feel like i'm sort of roasting you from the past even though that's exactly what i'm doing go on roast me from the past uh listeners robbie is now lying back wearing a look of kind of zen resignation all right here we go get a shoebox fill the shoebox with some bollocks from your head okay then here's a sort of song it isn't very good but it isn't very long it's kind of like beck with words by the streets if neither of them could be bothered. I've got a shoebox under my bed, filled with modern words that I've heard or read, I use

it now and then when I'm rapping and that, so I sound more in touch with the ordinary twat. For example, drugs and happy slapping, that's the kind of thing that today's kids dig, and also arctic monkeys yeah, they were on MySpace and got really big my fingers on the pulse i'm so contemporary kids on ritalin war is really scary come on muhammad get yourself a sense of humor it'll make you more attractive to the average consumer would you like to come back to my house for rapping fun don't worry if you don't know how i'll show you how it's done we can use my shoebox it It is full of rapping words.

They are nutty and they're fresh like brand new steaming turds. Shoebox. Fill the shoebox with random bits of crap. Shoebox. Use the shoebox to help construct your rap.

Shoebox. Fight the shoebox for giving you a hit. Shoebox. Close the shoebox. Now you a hit. Shoebox. Close the shoebox. Now go and take a shit. Okay, more topical stuff. Pull them out the shoebox till you got enough.

How are you doing with it? There's more, but that's probably enough. Do you know what? I genuinely really like it. And I want to cover it. There's a few bits that I would change. Not that I, you know know desecrate your work um two last things before i go thing one i just thought you were great on the horn section

podcast thank you your version of angels that you sang was terrific and the thing i loved about it which made me think oh it was one of the moments where I felt as if, well, I've got him wrong, was that you committed to it so well. It was great. Like you didn't do a sort of parody of you doing it or some kind of meta version. The horn section were playing a kind of reggae arrangement of Angels. And you really did it. It was great. Thank you.

It was a wonderful moment in the lockdown that cheered me up. And the other thing was that I've been digitizing a lot of videos from the olden times recently. And I came across some stuff that I shot at the Brits in, I think it must have been 1999. And you were winning a lot of things. Does that sound right? And you were a couple of tables away from us. I was sat with Travis, the band, and over to my right on the next table was Kylie. And you were two tables down over to the left. And I was very overexcited.

I was like, wow, look, this is, I'm right in the middle of all the pop. And it was funny seeing you there. You were looking very dapper, but you were also quite locked down. It was hard to get a sense of where you were at emotionally. And I was thinking like, I wonder if he was having fun.

Do you remember? Yeah, no, I never had fun at the Brits, ever. I always used to think I was in a room full of enemies. And when I performed on stage, I always felt like I was performing to enemies. It never felt comfortable. The awards for somebody that had such deep-rooted charlatan syndrome just made me melt inside. It was like lots of fingers on a keyboard all going at the same time. There was no enjoyment out of it at all.

You know, I put on the facade of somebody that was arrogantly walking towards the stage to receive something that was due to them that's not what I felt inside what I felt inside was how could they possibly you know like I used to be on stage and I used to think what have you cunts come to see this cunt for that was my thought process back then it was so warped and so on well so during the highest times of my success were the most depressive and the most deeply unenjoyable. That isn't unique to me. I've heard other people talk about the same sort of syndrome,

not in exactly the way that I'm talking about it. But I know that if you speak to most people that have had that intense light shine on them, they were the most deeply troubled and the most deeply depressed that they've ever been in their lives. And so it was with me. I was. Do you think that Tim Burgess of the Charlatans has Robbie Williams syndrome? No. No. That's the joke I'm ending with. Hey, very nice to talk to you really nice to sort of

meet you face to face as it were and to be at the point in our lives where we can relax in each other's company and not be uh making harsh judgments about each other vice versa and also if you ever want me to do it again, I would love to have a cup of tea with you face to face properly and hang out and have a laugh. Yeah, that would be nice. Okay. Well, when I come back to England,

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Oh man, that's not nice. Damn it. My weather app says we've got solid this for the next week. Oh well. Things could certainly be worse. Anyway, welcome back, podcats. That was Robbie Williams, of course, talking to me there. I'm very grateful to Robbie for getting in touch and for making time to talk to me. Oh, thanks very much indeed, by the way, to Mark Nicholson, a.k.a. Ozzy Miso,

artist and musician who created the backing track for my spoof of Rudebox back in 2006. Thanks very much indeed, Mark. Robbie was grooving along gleefully as he listened to it. Until the lyrics started. When he was guffawing with delight. Now, I'm not going to waffle on too much, because it is fairly grim out here. But I wanted to tell you about a couple of things that you may enjoy. I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast I had some Adam and Jo show news,

and that is that all four series of the Adam and Jo show, the homemade comedy program I made with Joe Cornish for Channel 4 in the UK between 1996 and 2001, the uk between 1996 and 2001 will soon be available to stream at the wow presents plus website and app which calls itself the only streaming service featuring all things drag pop culture and lgbtq plus world of wonder who are responsible for the wow presents plus streaming platform are the production company that we made the Adam and Joe show with. And they were one of the pioneers of TV shows that explored and genre-bending entertainment shows and documentaries, as well as the phenomenal success of RuPaul's Drag Race and its many spin-offs, many of which are available to stream on WOW Presents, all for just £3.49 a month. First series of the Adam and Joe show will be available to stream from Tuesday 8th October 2020.

And the other three series will become available one by one on subsequent Tuesdays throughout this month. Joe and I always talked about our show as being kind of a time capsule of late 90s pop culture and our hilarious take on it and wow presents plus is going to be the best place to enjoy the fragrant wafts of embryonic genius that drift out of that time capsule once you prise it open. Although I imagine they'll also be the occasional stench of ill-judged satire from a different time. You'll find a link to Wow Presents in the description of this podcast. Speaking of podcasts, Samira Ahmed is doing a new series of How I Found My Voice it begins this month I was a guest on How I Found My Voice

talking about my formative comedy influences a couple of years back I think and you can hear that episode wherever you get your podcasts I've put a link in the description to the Intelligence Squared website they make the podcast and as well as my episode, you can hear conversations that Samira recorded with people like Philip Paulman, Tracy Emin, Benjamin Zephaniah, Catherine Ryan, David Baddiel, Bernardine Evaristo, Richard Branson, Michael Palin and Naomi Klein. So check those out. It's a well-made show and Samira is always an intelligent and

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