THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.152 - ROSE MATAFEO

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

Adam talks with New Zealand born comedian, actor and writer Rose Matafeo and unveils a few Ramble Chat remix competition winners.Conversation recorded remotely on 18th February 2021.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and Scott Edwards for conversation editing. If you need help making your podcast, check out Scott's Podmonkey website that he set up with Matt Lamont who also edits this podcast.Podcast artwork by Helen GreenRELATED LINKSROSE MATAFEO - HORNDOG ON BBC I-PLAYER - 2018ROSE MATAFEO SPEED DATES BILL HADER - 2015 (YOUTUBE)ROSE MATAFEO - MY WORLD ON FRESH - 2013 (YOUTUBE)ROSE MATAFEO'S IMPRESSIONS ON STAND UP CENTRAL - 2020 (YOUTUBE)BEST 90s R&B: 20 ESSENTIAL TRACKS FROM THE GOLDEN AGE OF R&B - 2020 (UDISCOVER MUSIC WEBSITE)ADAM BUXTON - NUTTY ROOM - 2010 (YOUTUBE)ADAM ON 'TEA WITH TWIGGY' PODCAST - 2021 (GOOGLE PODCASTS)THE BEE GEES - HOW CAN YOU MEND A BROKEN HEART (DOCUMENTARY TRAILER) - 2020 (YOUTUBE)ARTICLE ABOUT THE AETHER by MEG NEAL - 2021 (POPULAR MECHANICS WEBSITE)JAMES ACASTER - PERFECT SOUND WHATEVER (WATERSTONES)RAMBLE CHAT REMIXRAMBLE CHAT REMIX COMPETITION WINNERS - 2021 (METAPOP WEBSITE)ADAM BUXTON MESSAGE FOR COMPETITION ENTRANTS - 2021 (METAPOP WEBSITE)REMIXERS FEATURED IN THIS EPISODETHE BOY (METAPOP)AJ BeenSINGH (TWITTER)JIGSAWTIGER (WEBSITE)BENJAMIN BELL (METAPOP) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening I took my microphone and found some human folk Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how you doing, podcats? Adam Buxton here.

Reporting to you from a sunny farm track in the east of England. Norfolk County, if you want to know specifics. Up ahead, I got my dog friend Rosie. She's bouncing, enjoying the sunshine. We're taking a different route today because I'm also here with my daughter once again and she thought it would be a good idea to mix things up. These young people with their crazy mixing things up ideas. She's walking a few metres ahead of me. Are you all right, daughter?

I'm OK. Excited about going back to school on Monday? Yeah. Yes, she is. Who is number one in the charts? For music? Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Kids these days, she doesn't even know who's number one. The UK's current number one is, according to officialcharts.com, driver's license. It's been number one for a few weeks. Everyone loves it. People love that song. Olivia Rodrigo. I can't buy a driver's license last week.

She's like we always talked about. Is that how it goes? Yeah, I guess. I can't buy a driver's license last week. She sounds like a little woodland creature who's just learned how to drive. I mean, it's pretty impressive, but she's like 17 or something. She's 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's good. I hope she's enjoying her success rather than being crushed by it. Anyway, look, let me tell you about my guest for podcast number 152. The New Zealand-born comedian, actor and writer Rose Matafayo. Matafayo facts. Rose, currently aged 29, grew up in Auckland, New Zealand. The daughter of a Scottish-Croatian mother and a Samoan father. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.

I used to say Samoan. But I notice Rose pronounces it differently, so I'm aiming for that. Samoan. Mum and dad, Matt and Fayo, are adherents of Rastafarianism, and they provided a domestic environment for their three children that Rose has described in the past as quite relaxed. Perhaps that helped provide the confidence she needed to start performing stand-up comedy at the tender age of 15. Just three years later, in 2010, Rose won the Best Newcomer Award at the New Zealand International Comedy Festival. A series of stand-up shows, as well as TV presenting and acting jobs followed, and in 2015, Rose moved to the UK, where, according to

Wikipedia, she shared a flat with comedian Nish Kumar in Shepherd's Bush for a while, before moving in with her then-boyfriend James Acaster. Her stand-up show Horned Dog won the Edinburgh Fringe Comedy Award for Best Show in 2018. It was filmed for HBO, I think, and is currently available to watch on the BBC iPlayer. You'll find a link in the description of this podcast. Rose also starred in the comedy film Baby Done, released towards the end of last year. Maybe it was earlier on this year in this country, I'm not sure.

In which she plays a would-be adventurer who panics when she falls pregnant to her long-term boyfriend, a man who couldn't be happier at the prospect of fatherhood. Rose is terrific in it, and it's available to watch on digital platforms and on DVD, if you like antediluvian tech, now. Meanwhile, as you will hear, Rose has been working on a sitcom called Starstruck, which, all being well, will emerge later this year.

Do you want to go through the wood, Rose? Come on, let's do it. Ooh, crunchy bracken. I love a bowl of crunchy bracken. My conversation with Rose, not Rosie, took place over the medium of Zoom with Rose in London and me in my nutty room in Norfolk a few days after Valentine's Day this year, 2021.

And though it was our first time meeting, don't worry, that's in inverted commas, we enjoyed a relaxed and upbeat conversation that rambled all over the place. Once I had tested my Zoom audio settings, we took in subjects that included my head exploding in the film Hot Fuzz, ghosts and other half-understood theories about the ether, the complicated business of writing about real people and relationships in comedy and in books, traumatic celebrity interviews and anecdote anxiety, our fondness for the Hollywood Brat Pack, the pros and cons of living a very long life, and right at the end I played Rose a bit of music that I wrote.

Especially for her. Now, speaking of mixing things up, instead of the regular Ramble Chat jingle this week, I am playing a remix. Watch out. And I chose this one as the winner of the Ramble Chat Remix competition on the Metapop website that regular listeners will recall me mentioning earlier this year. There is a link in the description of this week's episode

if you want to hear some of the other winners and runners-up who received various bits of music-making software from Native Instruments as their prize. I will scatter one or two more winning remixes throughout today's podcast and I guess I'll probably just butt in and say who they're by in a slightly clumsy way after each one. But I'll probably be playing a few more in forthcoming episodes. There were quite a few good ones and ones that I really liked and I'd like to play them at some point. But right now, all the way from St. Petersburg, Russia,

here is a reimagined ramble chat by Andrei Bulankov. Hope I'm pronouncing that not too badly. A.K.A. The Boy. Hit it. Thank you. Zoom is testing its output With this quite annoying tune Someone's gonna use it in a song no doubt I bet that will happen soon And then the beat's kicking

Oh look, there's Rose. I admit her. I'm on. Hello. Nice to meet you. Lovely to meet you. You seem like we're both a bit stunned. I know.

That we don't have more technical problems. I know. It's very weird. It went too smoothly. Now, I always find it weird on a Zoom when you get let in, because you suddenly get quite nervous. Yeah. Just moments before you can see it's connecting.

You're like, oh, Jesus Christ. Yes. Get myself ready. I'm so lovely to meet you over Zoom. Yeah, very nice to meet you too. I mean, it still feels like you're meeting people, right? Like you always put in emails, very good to meet you, albeit virtually.

Or like I've put nice to e-meet you sometimes, which is the worst thing. I do that too, yeah. Yeah, you've got to put a dash after. I do that too, yeah. Yeah. You've got to put a dash after the E. It's fair enough. You have to acknowledge the fact that it is a somewhat different experience. It's not like IRL, but it's still pretty good, right? It's still pretty good.

What's so funny is being mildly starstruck over Zoom. Like if it was happening in real life, it's kind of a bit less weird. You're like, oh my gosh it's adam bucks so i'm good i'll get over that immediately i've seen you in a film though you haven't seen me in a film uh no i haven't no actually no actually you may have seen me being killed in hot fuzz if you've ever seen you're in hot fuzz yeah yeah that's true so yeah i have one one yeah one all i know but i'm not in hot fuzz for very long i die you don't die in your film so no i die in all my films i think son of rambo i'm in for 60 seconds and i get some tweezers up my nose uh stardust i'm a ghost so

i've already been killed by an axe in the head yeah that's the backstory you did yeah i'm really jealous of that man i wish i could have a death scene it seems like the coolest thing to act i didn't have to do very much in hot fuzz i I just had to look where Edgar Wright told me to look. They did a head cast of me so that they could explode my head. Oh, my God. And in those days, I didn't have a beard. In fact, no, I did have a beard, but they asked me to shave it off. 2006 this was.

I grew a beard in 2005. And when they asked me to shave it off, I was quite alarmed at the expanse of flabby white flesh beneath, which is why most men who have beards are reluctant to shave them off because they grew the beard for a reason. Everyone is self-conscious. I'm self-conscious. And that was one of the things that was fun about growing a beard was like, oh, look, there's some definition to my stupid big face now. And then I had to shave it off. And it was just this kind of pasty expanse of flesh underneath

from this guy in his 30s who enjoyed drinking a bit too much. In fact, the night before they did the head cast, I had drunk quite a lot of wine. And then the next day, I just looked awful. You know, I've got no professionalism about me like most professional people if they had to do a head cast for a film yeah they wouldn't get blotto the night before no they're not gonna drink loads i forget that as well because like the concept of like photo shoots and stuff i forget about because it's just not a thing

doing stand-up that you're kind of wary of but i've become increasingly more aware of the fact that i i shouldn't get drunk every night of the week before I've got to take a photo. That's going to be used for decades to come on the Friday. Like it's, I've got that next week where on Friday, I've got to take a photo for the show coming out. And I was like,

Oh, it feels grossly adult to be like, well, I won't do white wine Wednesday. I'll skip white wine Wednesday this week. Don't have the whiskey after watching celebs go dating on Thursday. And so Friday, I won't look like Al. Wow, that really is.

I mean, that marks you out as a proper star. I feel like Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. I was going to ask about the hot fuzz thing. Was it confronting seeing your own death? Well, no, the confronting thing was seeing my disgusting pasty hungover face rendered the death of youth yeah the death of young adam when they wheeled me on they wheeled the dummy on edgar was like cut okay let's get the dummy in and

suddenly the dummy turns up and it's quite a realistic looking version of me but it's quite crudely done so there's a wig but there's no eyebrows and stuff so it's very yeah very corpse like already and it was very unsettling seeing that version of me there and I was like god I'm quite an ugly man and and also just disgusting and then my head exploded and they filled the thing with loads of quite realistic looking guts. Like sometimes in the olden days when there was gore in movies, the color of the blood was way off. Like it was too ketchupy and too bright red. But Edgar, being a gore hound himself, obviously had the right special effects guys. And it was very arterial

and dark and goopy this blood and there was bits of it everywhere and oh man that's so cool i wish i hope i get to get a cast done on my face one day the only time i've ever done a cast is the dublin wax museum which is notorious for being one of the worst wax museums in the world. It is so funny. Like the most mishmash parade of wax figures. Yeah. The gift shop does like a wax figure of your hand. They dip your hand in wax and then they make like a model out of it.

Yeah. And gave it to my friend David, who I was staying with, and it melted in the sun in his living room. So it's just my wilted hand. Yeah, really freaked him out. He had to throw it out the other day. It was actually quite upsetting. My wilted hand.

My wilted hand. Wax museums, they're one of life's great disappointments on the whole, aren't they? Like you get excited about the idea of them. I always remember hearing about Madame Tussauds and it was like, just the name. She's got two swords? She's a madam? Excited about the idea of them. I always remember hearing about Madam Two Swords and it was like, just the name. She's got two swords? She's a madam? I just thought, wow, this place sounds great.

And it's full of celebrities. I love celebrities. Let's go. And then you go and it's like, oh, this is boring. I went there with my friend Alice like-recently, about a year ago. And I don't know if it was running at the time, but there's this sort of hellish ride you can go on, which is like a London-themed amusement ride. And it's terrifying. You go through the history of London, and it's the weirdest thing I've ever been on.

It reminds me of one in the Edinburgh Dungeons. They've got a similar ride. But it's a ride through the kind of history of a serial killer. Okay. I forgot his name. It's not one of the big guys. It's not Jay Ripper, is it? No, it's like some sort of like, no, it was a man who had an incestuous relationship with his family.

They lived in a cove. They killed and ate people. And basically you're on this amusement ride going through the history of it and it's it's horrific Dominic Cummings yeah yeah it's exactly that yeah did you ever do the London dungeon no man I don't want to be scared oh that you're you're that nervous are you I think I could handle a London dungeon have you ever done haunted houses in your life no because I strongly don't believe in ghosts. Do you? So I would just be such a pain in the ass.

I would ruin it for everyone. Not even like a haunted house, sort of like... A dangerous structure. Yeah. I've been in a dangerous structure and that's scary. Have you been in a house that's haunted by sort of the emotional ghosts of its past? I've been in a scary, creepy house, like an old disused house. And it was in the middle of nowhere

and I shot a music video there in the middle of the night just me and this other guy Dougal and when Dougal went away and I carried on I was like I'm gonna stay behind and carry on shooting a bit more for a song called Nutty Room that I did that was sort of scary just because I thought there was a chance that some young hooligans would turn up and menace me. I wasn't worried about the supernatural, though. Interesting. I don't technically believe in ghosts, but I guess it's a bit funny to do it. I don't know.

Have you done one? I shot something once in New Zealand, in Auckland. There's this kind of old psychiatric hospital that they've so deeply inappropriately turned into a haunted house sort of tour thing you know what's terrifying is the actual building where it's like oh my god the horrors that were like experienced here yes and there's definitely like I don't know if I believe in ghosts but I do believe in creepy feeling places. But I don't know if that's, yeah, I don't know. I do. I do get the ick in some places. Definitely. Well, I had it. I read something somewhere. This is one of these things that

you kind of half absorb, and then it becomes fact in your mind, and you haven't really understood it properly. And the thing that I half absorbed, which I've never really checked since I absorbed it in my 20s, was that some people believe that a very extreme emotional experience can leave an imprint in the ether. So some people, I think, as far as I can remember, believe that the ether was this sort of quality in the air, which recorded impressions of certain extreme events. That's probably total bullshit and not what the ether is. I think the ether is not a real thing anyway. But that resonated with me. And I sort of thought, yeah, okay, I think I can get behind that. It's not exactly a spirit world. But it's just,

you know, you can have negatively and positively charged ions. Yeah. And they make a difference to the way a room feels. I think maybe that's not based on science. There's definitely, I love both of us speaking to each other. We're not going by things that we heard that someone else read 10 years ago. I'm just freestyling made up science. There's got to be stuff going on with electromagnetic stuff surely there is a part of me that's like if there are like electromagnetic

pulses that affect bird migration yeah surely there's some weird thing going on that we just don't really comprehend and we'll never comprehend And that's absolutely fine. I get sleep paralysis sometimes. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's not very often. How do you define that? How do you define sleep paralysis? Well, I only go off the description on, you know, webmd and mayoclinic.com

and then kind of, you know, go, yeah, I've got that. I had it when I was younger. I had something when I was younger where I'd wake up and not be able to move or scream. Or like waking up out of a nightmare and then trying to scream. And that's still how it feels where like you're trying to move, but you can't. So your body is still asleep. Oh, that is terrifying. Yeah.

Have you ever had that before? No, I don't. I mean, maybe for a second. You know what I mean? Like a split second when you wake up and you're aware of it. And it is usually after some wine has been consumed the previous evening. And it is very unpleasant. It's very unpleasant.

And when it goes away, it's a bit like sometimes when you're a bit tired or whatever and you just forget how to breathe or walk. You know what I mean? Like for a tiny second. Yeah, you know when it happens. And you suddenly go, oh, I can't remember exactly i breathe out and now and now i can't when do i breathe in how do i do that again i'll be doing something and i'll be lost in thought and then suddenly i'll just go like 10 solid seconds i'm like oh jesus christ you just

go oh yeah breathing yeah it's like your autopilot is just like malfunctioned no i i totally get that oh man but you still get the occasional bout of sleep paralysis and how long do you think it lasts for oh not long it's more just like it will be like waking up in the middle of the night and then um and then out of a sort of bad dream and then trying to talk or scream out of fear and then uh so it's so funny soberly describing it like awake you're like i sound insane but yeah that's kind of what it feels like but i think to the ghost thing so many people's ghost story is always like there was a fucking man at the end of my bed dude and he had a top and he looked at me man he sat on the bed i felt and it's like yeah i think that's just a bit of dream state kind of blurring into you being

half awake that's the thing that's the thing that i always think anything can happen in that state you're half in a total dreamland where no rules apply and um you could imagine anything when you're there i'm just looking at the wikipedia page for ether oh yeah although this is spelt a e t h e r oh like when they spell theory like fairy there you go yeah yeah got it got it the brackets classical. According to ancient and medieval science, ether is the material that fills the region of the universe above the terrestrial sphere. The concept of ether was used in several theories

to explain several natural phenomena, such as the travelling of light and gravity. It doesn't say anything about ghosts or recording strong emotional experiences. Yeah, citation needed hardcore on that one. experiences. Yeah. Citation needed hardcore on that one. Yeah. Yeah.

You're just going to see Adam in the history of it being like, guys, we keep deleting my thing about ghosts. That's right. I'm just scrolling down here. Oh, no, there is a section on me. Yes. It says the freestyle scientist, Dr. A. Buckles, believes that ether actually records extreme events and you can feel them when you go into a room years later.

So there you go. Everything's up for grabs with ether. Come on. Yeah. Ether is literally the most wishy-washy concept of all time. Don't let any ether heads hear that, though. Maybe edit that out. Shit.

Flavored ether. You can probably get it. It's like vape. It's like walking into a big room filled with vape smoke. That's what the ether is. Yeah. Trauma-flavored vape. It's like walking into a big room filled with vape smoke. That's what the ether is. Yeah, trauma-flavored vape ether. That's amazing. Do you like walking through someone else's vape smoke?

Yeah, I love it, especially when it's like butterscotch. And it's also really sweet seeing a real seemingly kind of hard-looking dude vaping on what looks like a walkie-talkie and then like walking through their vape and then smelling like a little sweet smell that's right you're like oh it's cute cute little fake flavor it smells like sort of lilac toilet fresh yeah candy floss that's really nice yeah i think that's the saddest thing about lockdown is that none of us have been walking through the vape clouds of other people no that's what i miss the most i wonder if covid can survive in vape smoke true it probably can

it's very hardy and persistent isn't it fucking covid it'll get you ma'am i yeah i don't know there should be government trials going on as we speak about covid's resistant to vape smoke otherwise you know that would be a simple solution right there. Didn't they say that vaping is worse if you can get COVID more if you vape or smoke? It was, I mean, it was such a wild time when the pandemic first was kind of, you know, kicking off where like the articles you'd read. Yeah, the good old days. Yeah, the good old days, you know, when we thought, yeah, why not?

No, that'll be done by Christmas. By Easter. By Easter. By Easter. Oh, my God. According to Trump. And then he came out and he was all big on his. They can shine light on it and you can inject disinfectant. This is some impressive stuff.

I was only joking. I was joking about it. No, you weren't. Do you know the worst sentence? I was on my way in a taxi to go to Magic Mike Live when I heard on the radio about the concept of herd immunity. And that was a snapshot of this time last year. I was still going to Magic Mike Live. Leicester Square was still operating while the government was suggesting that we all just get it and get over it. It just is the most surreal, bizarre thing of all time.

Is Magic Mike Live just, you're basically just going to a lap dancing club? It's sort of, no, it's a bit more, you know. There's a story. Expensive than that. There is a vague story. There's a guy called Mike in it. And he sort of goes through the, he sort of learns how to be magic Mike.

He sort of takes his clothes off. It's sort of like as he sheds layers of clothes, he like gains layers of sort of self discovery. They get you up on stage a lot and um and i remember that performance that got me up on stage yeah they talk to you a little bit i like the audience can't hear but he talked to me about covid he was from australia and he's like are you from new zealand he's like oh man yeah oh i bet you wished you were back there at the moment yeah because you know that's just it's really getting bad are you gonna go home oh no Oh, okay, cool. And it was all while he was like half naked and making me do things.

And it was really, really funny. It was so weird and inappropriate. But I do worry about those boys. They're out of jobs, you know, so now because, you know. Well, maybe they've gone back to Australia and New Zealand. All of them. What's the current situation in New Zealand re-COVID? They're still okay, aren't they?

Yeah, it's pretty rocking, man. Like this time last year in March, I went home for five months because everything happened and I was supposed to be filming a show that I'd written and then… Starstruck. Yeah, Starstruck. This was series two of Starstruck that you were doing last year, right? Series one, series first series.

So yeah, we hadn't done any of it. Yeah, so it all fell apart, like, you know, in the pre-prod to that. It all just kind of increasingly became aware that it was not going to happen then. So we shifted it to the end of the year, and then I went home to just be home for that period of time. And then we came out of it, like like we had a couple of months lockdown, which was, you know, more lockdown actually than London ever was, and then came out of it and then kind of returned to relatively normal lives.

And it was just an insane, insane privilege to have, to be able to have had a couple of months doing that. It was just wild. And when did you shoot Baby Done then? I shot Baby Done in 2019. So it was like a while back. I sort of misunderstood and I thought, oh, look, this is one of these New Zealand productions that just carried on

because they weren't locked down. Yeah, I think a lot of people thought that. But it was funny, though. I did shoot a show when I was back there in New Zealand. My friends did a sitcom and I was bored and around. And so I asked to be in it, and they let me be in it. Good one. That never works for me.

Yeah, exactly. And I shot a special in January last year, just before everything. That was Horned Dog. Yeah, and that was, I can't believe my luck in having done that in january and then the rest of the year happening it was right horndog which we are about to see premiered on british tv yeah it's going to be available on the iplayer later this month as we speak has starstruck been out then nah starstruck is out later on this year right okay so we're just finishing up editing it now and in the final stages of that business so elevator pitch for starstruck please rose go oh god oh i oh god what

floor are you going to i'm so sorry all the way up so so the girl a girl um who looks a lot like me and is basically identical to my personality but is a different name, has a one-night stand with a very famous actor, and then, you know, just crazy, crazy 12 months ensue. And, no, you have to go. That's fine. That's fine. No, that's cool. I'm going to stay in it.

I'm going to the top floor. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I'll get it. Oh, that sounds fun. Yeah. Is it like Notting Hill? Yeah, it's sort of like gender reverse Notting Hill, if anything. But no, honestly, it's not going to be that great.

So don't even, honestly, I don't even know why I decided to pitch this to you in an elevator. I think it's good. I'll send you an email. I could send a PDF email about the thing. Yeah, that would be great. I've changed my character now. Okay, thank you for... Before I was talking like that.

Now I'm an executive uh sort of old school posh executive from oh love the bbc okay and i'm saying yeah that would be really good yeah i sound more like an advertising agent i haven't really thought this character through but still sounds great i really like it are you thinking a real celebrity to play the celebrity or someone not that well known i think we're just going to keep an open kind of casting process and just go for the person who's the best for the role, I suppose. And, you know, I was hoping to play the female role of Jessie. Okay, okay.

So if that's okay, I will audition. I still will. I can self-tape if that's a thing you guys need. Yeah, we were thinking Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Phoebe Waller-Bridge. Oh, she's so good. She's very good. She's great.

It's just, it's hard because I think she's sort of doing some other stuff and also like the character is like half Samoan and I just don't know if like Phoebe Waller-Bridge is like. We can just do some curly hair and some tattoos or something. Yeah, I, yeah, you know, I don't think that that, I think I honestly as the BBC, I think you are under fire for. Yeah. I, yeah, you know, I don't think that that, I think I honestly, as the BBC, I think you are under fire for a lot of sensitive tattoos.

Sensitive. Got it. Yeah. So you'll have like a cultural advisor with that sort of stuff. I don't, so I think Phoebe would be on board with that. I think Phoebe would be like, anyway,

honestly, no, no, she's great. Like to cast her. Cause she's obviously got a great track record. She's very good. And everybody knows her. Yeah. She's done really well. Yeah. She's great. Like to cast her because she's obviously got a great track record. She's very good and everybody knows her.

Yeah. She's done really well. Yeah. She's successful. Yeah. So I'm thinking that would be good. It's so interesting because like she wasn't successful before Fleabag and it's kind of like nice to maybe give new people opportunities to do stuff. I don't know about that.

I do respect it. But anyway, this has been an amazing work experience day. And thank you for having me at the BBC. No problem. It's been great. And scene. Great. Oh, that was, there was too much truth to that. That's what I'm known for in my improv.

I'm very edgy. People are scared to improv with me generally because there's too much truth. And it's frightening. Yeah. Every time we improv with Adam, it's kind of like some, I don't know, it gets really real and heavy. Like it kind of brings up grievances. The following Ramble Chat remix is by A.J. Bean Singh from Milwaukee, United States. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's get it. Let's do it. Let's get it.

First on this. First on this. Yeah. Concentrate on that. Concentrate on that. Yeah. Put on your conversation coat. Put on the coat. Yeah. Yeah. Find your talking hat. Find that hat. Yeah. Yeah. Put on your conversation coat. Put on the coat. Put on the coat. Put it on.

Put it on. Put it on. Put it on. As we compare and contrast this with that and rap. You see rap is a conversation. And everybody raps. It's amazing. All we do is pull the thoughts from the hat and perform the magic act.

We call the ramble chat. No focus, no listen. Then concentrate on that. The ramble chat. Talking about starstruck and sort of celebrities and relationships with celebrities. Yes. I only recently found out that you were the person that had a relationship with James Acaster and that he spoke about in some of his work. Yeah.

After you stopped seeing each other. Not about your relationship specifically and the details of it, but about the fact that he that he found it hard the breakup and that he had a breakdown later on that year so at this point i just want to say if you would rather we didn't even talk about this at all then please say so and we'll move on but i was going to sort of ask if you were okay to sort of talk around the subject and talk about the fact that i just found it strange. I find it strange when comedians talk about their relationships and do shows about their relationships. And I always wonder what it's like for the other person. Yeah. So is that a subject that you would rather not get into? No, I think it's, well, no, you're the first person to really ask me anything about, I mean,

about the more specifically the fact of like what it is like when, you know, you're in a relationship with a comedian and what it feels like to have something written sort of referencing you. I think, you know, more than any of my close friends who are actual comedians who have never brought it up.

And I should say at this point that, you know, I like James Acaster very much. And I think that he was careful to be sensitive in the way that he dealt with the topic. He was certainly not interested in throwing you under the bus as far as I can tell. Is that right? Yeah, no, I mean, from a nerdy comedy perspective,

I think this happens a lot. There's so many, you know, comedians date other comedians because that's like your workplace and that's where you meet people. And that's certainly how I met James. And I think I do find that there is something uncomfortable. Like personally, in my comedy with relationship stuff, I hopefully turn it into something,

all those experiences into something that's observational and more abstract so it can be relatable to an audience. And I think other people's style is to get quite personal and specific about details about people. It's actually really good to talk about because I think sometimes it feels uncomfortable or weirdly jarring to become a character in someone else's story that's quite public.

And admittedly, I actually wrote Pawn Dog a couple of years after we broke up as a way of like dealing with that kind of breakup. But never specifically, I think it became sort of like a wider comment on breakups and breakdowns of relationships and all of that but I didn't really have any specific references and I don't think I would make work with specific references to that but I would say that there's a feeling that's uncomfortable about not being like consulted properly sometimes when you're not on great terms with someone and someone else's work and just the kind of muckiness of like when someone financially does benefit from that.

I think there's a weird conundrum there where it gets messy when people get quite personal and details about it. And also it's kind of hard to be upset about it in that when someone deals with it quite sensitively, but it is jarring to find out that you've been written about in a book from someone on the bus which is what happened to me where someone like kind of recited personal anecdotes and history about my former relationship she was a nanny on the bus and she like basically like told me the story of my breakup and I had no idea that it had been written about. And I kind of got off the bus three stops early and went home and figured out what she was talking about and read bits of that book. And I was like, oh, damn, that's crazy. It's a weird way to find out that, you know,

that's been chatted about. This is a book he wrote called Perfect Sound Whatever. I suppose he, because he doesn't mention you by name of course I haven't read the book by the way so I I can't speak to exactly what kind of thing he was talking about but I don't know James very well but he seems like a nice guy a thoughtful guy and someone who would certainly not like the idea of upsetting you yeah but um because I wrote about relationships that I'd had in a book recently a kind of memoirish book that came out last year. And they were some of the formative relationships I'd had in my teens. But I wrote about them in a fairly abstract way.

I changed the names. I don't think I went into any real details. If there was an embarrassing story, I was the butt of the joke. And then afterwards, I sent most of the extracts to the real people. Yes. And said, like, are you comfortable? Is this okay? And I let them pick their fake names and things like that.

So that I felt as if I was hopefully doing due diligence in the run up to the publication. However, after it came out, I mean, I haven't heard from them so far. And I wonder, I have worried about how they feel about it, because they were fine with the stuff I sent them. Although one of them had a couple of comments, and she said, Oh, did you really think that? And I was like, No, no, no, that's a joke. I mean, that's just me being a dick like the joke is that I'm a dick in that situation and it would be dickish to think that thing that I wrote but no I didn't really think it I think it's the weird thing of like you have no right of reply

when someone else has recorded a narrative of their experience of a situation there's part of me that's like man I don't imagine how she feels like having her life spoken about that way and it's a tough one I think it's a it's a real tough one because I do believe in performers having to mine your own personal you know experiences and stuff to make art or whatever you know performance and. And that's such an important thing about being a comedian and a performer. But I think you need to deal with the repercussions of using that because it ultimately is your job and it's the way you make money.

And if the way you make money is involving sort of the, I guess, reputations of other people, then it gets a bit muddy. So I think, yeah, personally, I just avoid that kind of stuff and if i did reference anyone i would i you know sort of do what kind of what you did with your book and feel like they're involved in the process of something that involved two people yeah i think in short don't take other comedians i think is probably my only advice and that goes for non-comedians don't date don't date comedians it's probably not a good idea yeah comedians and writers and anyone who's likely to just feed their real life into their art

into their art man i mean i do do it quite a lot that's the thing is like i walk a line with it i'm quite lucky in a way with my wife because she is entirely disengaged from what I do by choice. To the point where like she doesn't respect it in a way. That's actually a good vibe, I think, for a partner. There has been that conversation. But no, she does respect what I do and she likes what I do. But she just finds it, you know, I went into the kitchen the other day and she was listening to Louis Theroux's podcast.

And so I made a joke. I was like, why are you listening to this fucking shit? You know, and that's a joke. I do like Louis and I like his podcast. Of course. But I did think at that moment, I was like, you know, I do a podcast. And some people like it. And maybe it's even almost as good as Louis's.

Give that a listen. I've done some episodes you might like with some interesting people. And she just said, I know, I know. I just find it a bit weird I just don't it's just a bit weird and I prefer not to and I thought fair enough I think yeah but it's really funny that she's listening to Louis the Ruth podcast though I mean to be fair both very good podcasts yeah I think you get different things from the both the podcasts I mean I mean I'm a big fan of both podcasts And I think Your Paul McCartney episode

The shining light of that episode To the extent where I went out and bought the ingredients But never actually followed through on it Is when he talked about loving Hummus and bagels I was like That's the shit man That's the shit that you need to get out of these people

like and that whole interview was just so so good oh that's nice thank you but no i'm glad you liked it no it was it was a really cool gentle uh interview i'm he's just a cool guy he's really just a sort of straightforward character in a lot of ways. I did watch that little clip that Peter Jackson released of the documentary that's going to be coming out. Damn, it was cool. Oh my God, it got me jazzed for that. And I just watched the Bee Gees documentary and I'm like, I'm all for these docos about like that Bee Gees documentary was awesome as well. I heard some other people talking about that. Where do you watch that? I watched it on Now TV. And it was funny because I was watching it with my flatmates and I realized like sort of 10 minutes in that they were playing songs

and I'd be like singing along to like Fanny B. Tender and they're like, what are you doing? And I'm like, the song Fanny B. Tender? And they're like, I have no idea what the song is. I'm like, sorry. Is that a Bee Gees song? Yeah, Fanny B. Tender with my love. You know how easy it is to hurt.

Yeah, that's a great song. You can't call a song Fanny B. Tender. Well, guess what? They did it. Fanny B. Tender is, well, I was a huge Bee Gees fan when I was a kid and it was one of the funnier titles. You can get a cream for that, surely. Yeah, it's the Caniston.

It's sponsored by Caniston. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You sang that really well. Yeah, it's the Caniston. It's sponsored by Caniston. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You sang that really well. Do you sing? Have you done singing? Have you done like song and stuff? No, but I do joke. I mean, when you're half Polynesian, like it is probably a racist stereotype, but you can just sing.

You sicken me. You kind of have a semi ability to sing. Okay. But I don't know, maybe it's from my brown side or not. But no, I used to like singing. I used to be in all the musicals and stuff when I was a kid and a teenager. But once you get into comedy and stuff, there are certain things that you kind of have to, in a way, say goodbye to doing unironically. It's so hard because I play the ukulele and I really love playing the ukulele.

But I also realize that it's the twiest fucking instrument on earth. Oh, it's nice, though. My daughter's learning how to play the ukulele, but I also realize that it's the twee-est fucking instrument on earth. Oh, it's nice, though. My daughter's learning how to play the ukulele, and it's great. I should give her... I don't know what I was going to say. I should give her a license. I don't know what I was going to offer giving her some license. I should give her some words of encouragement.

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Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat. Well-focused. Well-focused. Well-focused. Well-focused. Well-focused. Well-focused. Well-focused. I noticed you used to do celebrity interviews yourself. You used to do like junket interviews back in the day for,

was it called New Zealand Today? No, no, no. It was actually at that time it was Jono and Ben, which is almost like the New Zealand version of Ant and Dick. But that was, yeah, I did a lot of press junkets for that. Before that I hosted like a free view music television show zealand version of anton deck but that was yeah i did a lot of press junkets for that before that i hosted um like a free view music television show on the afternoons from four till seven on a channel that no one watched and i'm pretty sure was just a tax write-off for the channel operators where

we would just have to talk for three hours every afternoon and interview a lot of people like three people a day and you're just talking about people who aren't keen on being interviewed oh my god i had that so much i remember once i was hosting like a comic-con style event in new zealand once and um i think it was lance hendrickson you know from alien yeah yeah and fuck man he hated my guts and he just really thought i was a piece of shit and it was like quite bizarre just to be like roasted by this older man when you're I think I was like 20 yeah so there were some situations which sucked and interviewing people really sucked most of the time because I never did research and I would often be on the couch like you know doing the tv show and then the guests would come in I'd be like hey man good to see you and then on the computer in front of me i would be furiously reading the press release for whoever that person

was and just being like oh good okay oh your new album great great great so i was very unprepared but i got to do some cool press junkets for jonah and ben i met amy schumer and bill hader for train wreck yeah the format was you sort of speed dating with them. Yeah. That was a sketch I did on the show that I would interview people with. There were speed dates and I'd kind of go in, like there were kind of New Zealand celebrities or in that case, them, the priest junket. And yeah, it was just like, I'd sit down for like about half an hour with a person. And beforehand, I'd just go, Hey, I'm so sorry. This is going to be horrible and really uncomfortable for you. And I'm just going to say some terrible stuff. And at the end, I'll sort of come out of a trance and then apologize.

So that was always a fun segment. I find those things really difficult to do. You know, when sometimes as a comedian, you're forced to do like Vox Pop style things where you're kind of trying to make, not make a fool, but like be a character in front of someone and make someone else feel uncomfortable that's like the worst feeling thing for me it's just horrible i still think about times where i've had to do that in my career and hated it oh yeah we used to do exactly when i say we me and joe cornish and we used to do a tv show on

channel four and we had some mild elements of that, of silly interviews, slightly pranky feeling interviews. But as with you, we would always explain quite carefully beforehand. Like this is what to expect, that we're going to be doing this. You feel sick. And sometimes you do feel absolutely sick. And once I had, you know, the thing that scarred me, which I often bring up is, and I wasn't even pranking the guy, but I was interviewing Paul Weller on the radio and I said, does anyone ever say to you, Paul Weller, Weller, Weller,

oh, tell me more, tell me more. And he just fucking hated it. And you just said, all right, okay. You're trying to be funny, aren't you? All right, okay is just the worst words to hear after after. I don't know if he said all right, okay. There was just a long silence. Oh, it kills me. And I bring it up on the podcast once every two weeks. It's such a scar. But it is. Those are the things that wake you up at night. At bed, I'll be drifting off. And that's the exact type of scenario that will

come to me and i'll like wake up in a flash of going oh my god remember that horrible thing that you did on freeview television like in 2015 or whatever lance henriksen's face hovering over your bed as you're paralyzed yeah i'm still i'm still trying to um write mean things on his wikipedia article you know but, but it keeps on getting edited. That's a funny thing I realized about myself the other day. I was doing a prequel for like a show of like asking whether or not I had anecdotes or something. I realized I have no anecdotes. I have zero anecdotes.

And it's not even being like, oh, trying to be funny. I genuinely don't have any anecdotes. None of my comedy like is really anecdotal and stand up I've done nothing in my life because I've done comedy since I was like 15 so all of my anecdotes have to do with comedy and that's not interesting and no one wants to talk about that and I kind of had a bit of a crisis I was like fuck I've done nothing and I think in conversations that's why i don't like i so quickly get to the point where i'm asking someone how they feel about dying or like you know exactly

do you believe in ghosts because what else are you going to talk about like it's nothing yeah that's right i'm exactly the same like i met twiggy the other day virtually really yeah i was on her podcast oh cool i hope maybe she'll come on mine too yeah but you know imagine the kind of life she has led yeah and the number of anecdotes she has racked up oh my god you know she said to me who's the most interesting person you ever sat next to on a plane i was like i sat next to a psychologist once she was really interesting and i was like how about you she goes jacques cousteau you know and he was just the most interesting of the interesting people that she has sat next to and they had a long conversation and talked about the undersea world and it's like

imagine she's like non-stop anecdotes but as you say yeah i'm much happier just waffling on as we have done i like these kinds of conversations you're skid from one very broad topic to another you're gonna skid from one to one that's so funny about twiggy because like obviously she's met so many people in the time that she existed and all of that but also it's like being incredibly good looking and a model opens some doors right you're gonna be sat next to some interesting people yes and they are going to be happy to chat with you. Exactly. They're going to be very happy to chat with you. Especially sort of older men in the 70s, I would imagine.

Exactly. Up in first class. I've kind of delved deeper in this lockdown into sort of doubling down on my interest in that era of stuff of like 60s sort of celebrities or musicians or whatever. And it's so hard because it's so hard to be a fan of so many of those men because you read past the early life of their Wikipedia article and then it just gets dark.

You're like, damn it. I've been getting massively into Anthony Newley at the moment and just like weirdly listening to every album and watching every fucked up film he's done and all this stuff. And I love him. And then it's just, he's what the kids would call a problematic fave. Problematic, yeah. He's kind of problematic.

But then, fuck it, I don't know. Yeah, it's a funny thing to be a fan of that time. But man, I'm glad twiggy is like out there rocking it having a podcast like get me into that have you listened to the podcast who else does she interview i listened to an episode she did with molly ringwald oh my god yeah who turns out to be an amazing singer i didn't know that because her dad's a singer isn't he yeah she went through a whole france phase i think after you know, she moved to Paris and stuff and like started singing jazz and stuff. Right.

Yeah. And of course, she's been quite public about some problematic, problematic aspects of working with John Hughes. Yeah. Who was mildly obsessed with her, as far as I can tell, romantically. What is it with these dudes? Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, but then you watch a John Hughes film.

If you watch 16 Candles today, it's like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. It's so many wildly inappropriate things. That's right. Which is weird because, again, I've talked about this before, but The Breakfast Club, which was my favorite film when it came out in 1985. And I was exactly the right age for it. I was 16 years old and falling in love every two weeks and thought teenagers were, you know, we were like way more important. Adults didn't understand when you grow up, your heart dies, blah, blah, blah.

So I loved it. But looking back on it, you know, and then I watched it 30 years later and it's like, whoa, this is a very strange film. And they're all dicks, really. And I was like, I love those dicks. Does that mean I'm a dick? I really vibed with Ally Sheedy's character. Yeah, I loved her. Yeah, she's the best.

But I hate how she gets made over at the end. She gets all girlified. Do you feel like when you watch St. Elmo's Fire, you're like, that's not my Ellie Sheedy. That's not my Ellie Sheedy. My wife loves St. Elmo's Fire, but I don't think I've made it through once. Is it good?

Is it worth revisiting? Well, no, I mean, I went through a big brat pack phase when I was a teenager. I like the same thing with Breakfast Club and Sixteen Candles and stuff and really got into St. Elmo's Fire to the extent where I started a social softball team in my early twenties. And we called our team St. Elmo's fire,

which is actually an awesome social softball team name. It's a cool name. There's a Brian Eno song called St. Elmo's fire, which predates all that. So that's what St. Elmo's fire means to me is that one spitting ions in the ether. So look, you see,

we formed a little connection to the ether there via brian you know in the breakfast club and john hughes but no what i was going to say about all that stuff was i've told myself retrospectively that thinking back on those movies as a 50 year old or whatever i feel as if we thought a lot of those strange elements were strange at the time. Some of the kind of casual homophobia and the weird sexual harassment stuff in the breakfast club and certain bits that people have raised their eyebrows at, you know, watching it in 2020. But maybe I'm fooling myself. I mean, I don't know. I really strongly feel that we did think like, because you watch any movie and you think, well, that bit's a bit shit, but overall.

No, but I think as a massive fan, this sounds like I'm an alien, as a massive fan of pop culture, I sound like a Mars Attacks alien, I find it frustrating when people look back on those films and like, this film revisited and all these ways that it kind of sucked and blah, blah, blah. And it's basically like trying to cancel old films. And it's like,

sure, but we are going to look back on films in 2020 and go, what the fuck are we doing? We were, we were, you know, the way we treat trans characters now in 20 years is going to be so dated. The way that we deal with so many issues is going to look exactly like

the stuff that we watch in John Hughes films. And all that is to say, that just means we're progressing as a society. And that's a snapshot of what we put up with at that time. It doesn't mean that we're necessarily endorsing those views or those kind of jokes made in films like that. And it's difficult. I think it's a different thing to not participate or add to the bank vaults of still alive directors who have done fucked up shit and not want to support that work. I think that's, you know, there's fair game.

It just means that everyone's progressing and we're getting smarter and better at things. And if anything, it's like a positive thing. But yeah. I agree. It's because I like a lot of old shit and you're like. Yeah, that's right right people listen to this podcast and go what were they thinking they're talking shit about ghosts that's right the ether community is going to come

after us man exactly and i really think like ais i think that's definitely a thing that is going to be weird for people to look back on i think theIs will be a real community of people who you have to be respectful of. And it will be weird when people think back to a time that you just treated them like machines. And I don't know, I mean, even as I'm saying it sounds kind of mad. It is. That is so true. I mean, thank God we won't be around to sort of experience that. I don't know, man. I mean, things are speeding won't be around to sort of experience that. I don't know, man. I mean, things are speeding up. Do you want to live to like 150?

Do you think that would be cool? I don't know. Maybe. No way. No? It would be awful. Even if like 150 is what, you know, decades ago, you know, someone would be like, I'd live to 80. That'd be awful.

That'd be terrible. Do you think that that's the same thing with like 150? Like health-wise, health outcomes will be better, you know, someone would be like, I'd live to 80. That'd be awful. That'd be terrible. Do you think that that's the same thing with like 150, like health wise, health outcomes will be better, you know? Yeah. But I mean, how much better? It's like, what kind of quality of life are we talking about? Because most hundred year olds don't seem to be really living it up. I think I saw an interview with one guy who was in his nineties and he had never smoked a cigarette and he had never eaten any red meat and he had exercised every i mean he had lived a totally spartan life and he was in impressive shape but he was just over all his family and all his friends were gone and he was living in a little

care home and he went on his treadmill every day and walked around in the garden in his shorts and did interviews about being nearly 100 and still being in such good shape and i just thought is that yeah great i want to tap out i don't know my flatmate al the other day at dinner was talking about how we're talking about you know life expectancy he was doing the same thing as the ether thing of going i remember reading once an article like five years ago but he thought it was like this this Thai man who lived till he was like basically 150 and we're like, no, surely not. And he's like, oh, maybe like 120.

But the funniest thing about the story is that he hit 90 and he started apparently digging his own grave. Because he was like, I'm ready. He was so ready at 90 and the idea of digging your own grave at 90 living for another two decades is so funny to me it's so funny he was so fucking ready to go man and then he just annoyingly stuck around for a couple decades like oh the confidence of the man to dig your own grave at 90 is like just awesome i want to be that guy the following ramble chat remix is by benjamin bell from chelmsford uk it's called the Campfire Buxton Blues. Join us around the campfire.

Bob's about to tell us his blues. My tortoise ran away and I couldn't catch it up. And my book club disbanded and I really had enough. And I looked out at the ocean. Okay, Adam, there. Okay, Adam, could you be quiet when others are speaking? Yes. Okay, Sarah, take it away.

I went for a walk and I was really taken aback because my shoes were all two sizes too big. And I was really worried. I was worried about it. Okay, all right, Adam, you're on a timeout. All right, Jim, you got blues? A tortoise showed up in my back garden last week, and now I've got a lettuce there for six Was it Ted?

Adam, okay, fine, have it your way. Ted's fast. Sing the song. Ramble chat, let's have the ramble chat We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that Okay, you happy now? Yes. I read that you are a big 90s R&B head.

Uh, no. No? No. Where did I get that from then? Well, I mean, I know stuff about 90s R&B. Yeah, absolutely. But like, not more than the other. I think I read about, oh, she's obsessed with it.

Oh. It's one of her obsessions. But this, no, it's a thing. I mean, yes. Bits and bobs. I'm way more into stuff from the 60s and 90s R&B, but I think I've got a healthy appreciation for it, having lived through it.

But yes, for the ease of what you're about to segue into, hell yeah, I love 90s R&B. I mean, don't worry too much about it because I don't know anything about 90s R&B. I was sort of indifferent to it. I was listening to the Pixies, right? So I was on a totally different page. And to me, R&B in the 90s indifferent to it I was listening to the Pixies right so I was on a totally different page and to me R&B in the 90s or at any time really after Stax Soul from the 60s

just sounded like soppy music it was like I love you yeah yeah I was like no I'm not bothered I want some guitars and some shouting and some songs about ghosts or snakes or whatever. I've got the album for you. So I went and I looked up the greatest R&B jams of the 90s. Yeah. So it's names that I remembered, Boyz II Men and Tony, Tony, Tony and Tony Braxton. Tony Braxton? Tony Braxton, yeah.

People like that. Yeah. And it was good. I listened to it and I was like, oh, I get it now. It's really good. I listened to it and I was like, oh, I get it now. It's really good. It's almost like hip hop without the bragging about shooting people and calling women bitches and things like that. I think a lot of that stuff, and maybe my area is more 2000s because that was when I was kind of growing up.

But what I do love about 90s R&B is the narratives because the narratives are so rich and they get so much detail and information into the song in such a short amount of time there's a great song when you're out in the club don't think i'm not even when you're out making love don't think i'm not and it's like this whole r&b song about a woman who's like i know you're cheating on me and guess what bitch i'm cheating on you as well it's just like and you are on this side 100 i love that yeah such great storytelling exactly a little drama within the space of a three minute song drama anyway so i thought i'm gonna do a 90s r&b song and i'm gonna to do it for Rose. Oh my God. Anyway, it turns out it's really difficult

and you actually have to be somewhat talented to do it. And first of all, I started out trying to write a song specifically for you and I couldn't do it. And then basically the end of this story is that I ran out of time and I ended up, I got halfway through a song about making a cake, And I ended up, I got halfway through a song about making a cake. But this is my attempt at an R&B song that I made for you. For me? That's so cool. Let's see if you can hear it.

Imagine if I take this really badly. Late last night, I made a cake as a Valentine's gift for my beautiful wife though it was mainly for me i spread vanilla butter cream icing all over the cake i covered up the cake with a bowl but left it out that was a mistake in the morning half the cake had gone and the cake that remained on the plate had finger ditches in the icing i was irate that's enough of that i played it to my family the other night and I mean, they advised me not to play it to you. They just said, well, it doesn't really work. I think your family don't believe in you. That's toxic and you need to get rid.

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Rosie! Rosie! This is a real test of Rosie's alertness and her desire to do what she's told because we are on an unusual stretcher for woodland. But here she is. Oh, she's a good dog. Rosie, come over here. Seagulls. That's an int've got seagulls. It's like a day at the beach here.

Rosie, come here, come here. Get a congratulatory scratch scratch. I love you. Welcome back, podcats. I was talking, as you well know, with Rose Matafeo there, and I'm extremely grateful to Rose for her time. It was great to meet her and talk with her. I had about with Rose, as well as links to her special Horned Dog and the trailer for Baby Done and one of those celebrity speed dating interviews that she did with Bill Hader. There's an article about the whole concept of the ether and the history of that. Oh yeah, there's the webpage I looked at that had 20 essential tracks from the golden age of R&B.

And the video for my song Nutty Room that I filmed in the scary house that I spoke about which isn't there anymore it's been rebuilt additionally as I said in the intro you will find a link to the Metapop website where you'll find all the remixes of Ramble Chat that the Metapop community contributed and there's a list of the ones that I selected as my favourites. Although it was very difficult. Well, I recorded a message as well, actually, to all the people who entered the competition, which you can find on there.

Just saying thank you to all of them and expressing how hard it was for me to pick winners because there were a lot of good ones. And as I said, I'll probably scatter a few more throughout the podcast in forthcoming episodes. We're in a clearing in a wood right now. And the afternoon sun is shining through the trees. It's a little bit hobbity, although where we are right now, where badgers, I believe, have been digging holes,

it's a bit like a kind of badger building site. It's a bit Stig of the Dumpy, you know? What looks like limestone or chalk that they have dug up. These badgers, man, they've got a serious digging ethic. Right, I'm going to go and join Rosie and my daughter and sit on the ground. But before I do so, I just want to say thanks once again to Rose Matafayo, to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for his always invaluable production support. Thanks, Seamus. Primary editor on this week's conversation was Scott Edwards.

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