THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.213 - WILL SHARPE

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Adam talks with English actor, writer, and director Will Sharpe about mental health, therapy, what it was like working in Italy on The White Lotus 2, why Will had to get into incredible shape to play that part, Artificial Intelligence, and Adam reminisces about a dimly recalled robot-based TV show from his childhood: Holmes and Yoyo.This conversation was recorded face-to-face in London on May 8th, 2023Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing.Podcast artwork by Helen GreenNORD VPN LINKBUG 65 (VIA ADAM'S WEBSITE) SYNTH EAST EVENT - ADAM INTERVIEWS STEVE DAVIS @ NORWICH ARTS CENTRE - February 23rd, 2024OTHER RELATED LINKSCOCKROACH Short film by Tom Kingsley and Will Sharpe - 2009 (YOUTUBE)THE DARKEST UNIVERSE Directed by Tom Kingsley, Will Sharpe (TRAILER) - 2016 (YOUTUBE)THE ELECTRICAL LIFE OF LOUIS WAIN Directed by Will Sharpe (TRAILER) - 2021 (YOUTUBE)HARUKI MURAKAMI - WHAT I TALK ABOUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT RUNNING - 2007 (HARUKI MURUKAMI WEBSITE)STUTZ Directed by Jonah Hill (TRAILER) - 2022 (YOUTUBE)MEET ME IN THE BATHROOM Directed by Dylan Southern, Will Lovelace (TRAILER) - 2023 (YOUTUBE)AI FILMMAKING IS NOT THE FUTURE. IT'S A GRIFT Video essay by Patrick (H) Willems - 2023 (YOUTUBE)HOLMES AND YOYO PILOT - 1976 (YOUTUBE)ROBOT AND FRANK Directed by Jake Schreier (TRAILER) - 2012 (YOUTUBE) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Come on, Rosie. We're on the regular track that we go on for our walks, and Rosie is just rooted to the spot, about halfway up the first section of the track, glaring at me with an expression that says, this is bullshit, I don't want to go on a walk. It's windy and cold it's really not that bad rosie it's not raining it's not that cold 10 degrees rosie that's not too bad

plus it's good for you you have to get some exercise we can't just both sit in our nutty rooms all day i think i can yeah i think you probably could but it's nice to be outside come on what's nice about it it's beautiful rosie come on look even though it's a little bit of a cloudy day there's some magical autumnal colors sure a lot of the beautiful autumnal leaves were blown off over the weekend in the high winds but But it's still nice out here. Come on, let's go. Let's go. No.

All right. Just going to chat with Rosie for a second. Listeners, be with you shortly. Here's the intro song. I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone and found some human folk. Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke.

My name is Adam Buxton. I'm a man. I want you to enjoy this. That's the plan. Hey, how are you doing listeners? Welcome back, Adam Buxton here. Out on a Norfolk farm track with my best dog friend Rosie. A Whippet Poodle Cross. In colouring, black and silvery. In temperament, mellow, sweet, quiet.

But when it comes to walks often stubborn for no apparent reason just in the first section of the walk these days it's always a bit of a battle but then once we get a certain distance up the track it's all fine i hope you're doing well, podcats. All right, let me tell you a bit about this episode of the podcast number 213, which features a rambling conversation with the English writer, actor, director, Will Sharp. Get my notes out. Okay, sharp facts. William Tomomori Fukada Sharp was born in London in 1986. He moved to Japan with his family, his mother is Japanese,

when he was just a few months old. They lived in Tokyo until Will was eight when they moved back to the UK. In the mid-2000s, Will earned a place at Cambridge University, and after graduating in 2008, he joined the Royal Shakespeare Company for a year. In 2009, after getting the Royal Shakespeare Company out of his system, and on a break from a regular acting job that he had landed in the TV show Casualty, Will travelled back to Japan with fellow Cambridge graduate Tom Kingsley, where they made a short film called Cockroach that Will also performed in.

You can see Cockroach on YouTube. There's a link in the description. Tom Kingsley has since gone on to direct shows like Ghosts and Staff Let's Flats, but back in 2010, he and Will capitalised on the excitement they generated with Cockroach, and together they made the low-budget feature film Black Pond, a dark comedy in which a family is accused of murder after a stranger comes to dinner. It's got Simon Amstel in it. Tom and Will's second low-budget feature was released in 2016. The Darkest Universe is about a man searching for his sister who has gone missing

on a canal boat. It's mad, it's sane, defies description, said the Financial Times. That year, 2016, Channel 4 aired the first series of Flowers, which Will wrote, directed and acted in. The show starred Julian Barrett as Maurice, a depressed children's author, with Olivia Coleman as his music teacher wife, Deborah. Flowers also starred Daniel Rigby and Sofia De Martino, to whom Will is now married. A second well-received series of Flowers aired in 2018. The following year, Will co-wrote and directed the biographical comedy-drama The Electrical Life of Louis Wayne, starring Benedict Cumberbatch as the titular 19th century artist best known for his drawings of anthropomorphised cats and kittens. The film was released in 2021, the same year that another Will Sharp-directed project aired on Sky Atlantic. Landscapers was inspired by the true story

of a murdery couple from Mansfield, played by David Thewlis and, once again, Olivia Colman. Meanwhile, as if he's not busy enough, Will has been acting in a number of big TV productions that include the 2019 crime drama Girihaji, set in Tokyo in London, in which Will played a flamboyant sex worker called Rodney Yamaguchi, and The White Lotus 2,

in which Will played Ethan Spiller, a newly wealthy tech entrepreneur on holiday in a high-end Italian resort with his wife, played by Aubrey Plaza. I really liked The White Lotus 1, which followed the interactions of obnoxious, overprivileged guests in a Hawaiian resort, but I think I might have preferred White Lotus 2. What do you think of that?

For those of you unfamiliar with White Lotus 1 or 2, the series was the creation of American writer and director Mike White, who, like Will, writes, directs and sometimes acts in his projects too. For example, Mike White wrote the screenplay for School of Rock and also plays the best friend of Jack Black's character. School of Rock was one of Mike White's most high-profile projects prior to White Lotus, but the TV show Enlightened, which he created with Laura Dern, is also well worth watching. Laura Dern plays a former high-powered executive in the process of getting her life back together following a breakdown, and it's very much the kind of show that I could imagine Julia Davis having written and performing in. It's that same sort of comedy vibe. But back to Will. Our conversation was recorded face-to-face in London back in May of this year, 2023. The good old days, remember May?

And we talked about mental health, therapy, what it was like escaping the lockdowns to work on White Lotus 2 in Italy, and why Will had to get into incredible shape to play his part. We also talked a bit about AI. Gotta have an AI chat. And we talked about favourite robot-based entertainment.

But we began by recalling the first and only other time that we have met. Back at the end for a bit more waffle, but right now with Will Sharp. Here we go. Ramble Chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that. Come on, let's chew the fat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, I've met you once before. That's right, yeah.

When was it? You were just about to do Flowers, right? I think that's right, yeah. It was going to be on TV in about a month or something. feel like it was probably just under 10 years ago okay eight or nine years ago maybe yeah i think and it was a channel for what they call a talent dinner which is always yeah a sad thing to attend yeah because i don't know about you but i always feel as if well obviously i shouldn't be here then. Yes. And I remember being excited slash scared to tell you that I was a fan of the sketch that you and Joe did.

Where there's like, if it's 20% free. Oh, yeah. And you were going around just like drinking the free part of the juices and stuff. Yes. Yeah. Listeners, if you're not completists this is a sketch that me and joe did on the adam and joe show one of the very first things we did in the very first show i think back in 1996 and it was actually it was an idea that louis theroux supplied us with okay and he said why don't you go into a shop and find the items that are marked 20 free or whatever it might be and then open the

boxes and and help yourself to that proportion that is free until the people in the shop tell you to stop and you just explain at that point well it says it's free we're just taking the free bits yeah and i still think about that when i'm walking around the supermarket yeah yeah just nick the free bits yeah that was stressful have you ever done any stunt stuff or pranky stuff oh i remember there was one while i was at university we filmed a sketch on a train where i was doing things like climbing onto the luggage rack and stuff like that getting onto the lying just pretending to be like i can't even remember what the point of it was really but what's the point of anything yeah but yeah nothing uh nothing serious did you enjoy doing those things or did you think hmm maybe this isn't me no it was fun i mean you're so innocent you know in those days you're just full of energy and

like want to throw yourself into like whatever it is. So, no, it was fun. What were you studying? Classics, which is like Latin and Greek. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone needs Latin and Greek. Everyone needs that.

A bit of ancient Greek. Yeah. No, they do. I mean, I'm being flip, but my daughter wants to do that. You know, she loves all that stuff. Does it inform your perspective on the world nowadays? It's a good question. I mean, like, I guess I really liked the sort of plays.

Yeah. Which are the bangers? Do you know? I can't believe this is where we're starting. I guess like the Aeschylus tragedies, Oedipus Rex is quite a famous one. That's a banger. The Euripides has some goodies.

But I think I also was like, cause I guess like I wasn't very good at maths or science or anything. And so the other option was maybe English, but I remember thinking that I would always be able to read yeah and probably find books but when else would I do something as weird as this also it feels I suppose that you're starting with the very bedrock of the things you're interested in of language storytelling yeah the epics I'm not too strong on the epics no although i remember there was something about like when i first got into watching series like the sopranos or the wire right like in the days where it felt less like everywhere you looked there was a different

series and it was kind of like well here is the story that spans you know however many episodes there was something about that that felt epic in that way and yeah i just remember thinking this is really impressive storytelling you know that works like chapter by chapter but also you travel so far across the journey of it yeah and that has really well realized three-dimensional characters and very complicated story arcs. Yeah. Which I don't think I was aware of seeing on TV before. Like, I'm trying to think of the shows that my parents used to watch that were big in the 70s.

And it was things like iClaudius. Uh-huh. But if you watch an episode of iClaudius now, it's a very different thing. Right. It doesn't feel like The Sopranos. Right. It's so stylized yes yeah because i was thinking about that scene in white lotus when your character ethan is sat around with harper and cameron and daphne and they are talking about what they've been watching oh yeah and they're kind of verbally scrolling

through all these shows and that is that made me laugh because that is the conversation i have with a certain group of friends whenever we get together yeah there's just an hour of it yes just checking in and it's no longer possible i don't think to all have watched the same stuff no it's not possible anymore that's right so you get to a certain point after you've done like, have you been watching Succession? Have you been watching White Lotus? Have you been watching Sweet Tooth? Whatever it might be.

And then it starts getting more and more obscure. Yeah, yeah. Have you been watching the Ulysses Diaries? Have you been watching Why I Killed Your Teacher? Have you been? And you're been like are these real shows yeah yeah so much content now it's like there's billions of shows everyone's trying to keep up it's kind of suffocating honestly it's too much it's like we're all entertaining

each other while the world burns right we're all just zombies you know like I love a binge. I remember filming that scene because there was the four of us. Every time we were due to film anything, there was always terrible weather. Oh, yeah. Like severe winds. It was really cloudy. It was raining. And so our scenes kept getting bumped for a while. And when we finally got to shoot that scene, it was a nice day.

And I remember mike just giving us lots of time so there was lots of additional footage of just scrolling through lots of other shows and just kind of like trying to guess what each of those characters would or wouldn't watch and what their opinion of it would be because they all agree on ted lasso don't they all ted lasso is the one that was a good observation of one of those shows that at a certain point everybody was watching you kind of had to like it if you didn't like it it was a bit of a statement yes but I feel I feel like Harper is like non-committal on Ted Lasso but I can't remember I can't remember how it was in the end I think you're right I think I think

she's that was one of the funny moments was that she was like, I don't think I do like Ted Lasso, but I can't be bothered to get into the why's and wherefores. Yeah. What are you watching at the moment? I'm watching Succession, obviously. And then we watched that Stutz documentary jonah hill and his jonah hill getting therapy what did you make of that it was interesting um you gotta be careful now because

you probably know some of those people no i don't i don't know any of those people but it was yeah it was like helpful it was like just like well-intentioned documentary this kind of um slightly avant-garde left field therapist who i think is also like leonardo dicaprio's therapist as well i get the impression he does therapy for a lot of hollywood yes and he just has these kind of what they call tools which are maybe versions of what would be recommended anyway uh and they kind of walk through this and try to give a sense of this guy like who he is as a person and his relationship with Jonah Hill but I think what's most interesting about him was at the beginning he talks about how a lot of the time in therapy

the correct way to do it is that you don't push too hard on your patient and you don't give them too much you try to receive and leave openings for them to give you what they have to offer and he was like that's bullshit i just tell you what to do i'm like whatever you're doing it's not working here are some things that you can do to change your life which in a way that does make sense i think that's exactly what i wanted from therapy right that i That I didn't get. I got the, you know, very nice and, and helpful in its own way. But I got the how did that make you feel? Right? Yeah, school. And, you know, sort of go further with it. See every thought through to its logical conclusion, stay with uncomfortable thoughts. Yeah, yeah which is you know quite often painful

and uncomfortable and sometimes i felt like how how is it useful replaying this uncomfortable unhappy memory but i was assured by the therapist that it is useful it's better than forcing it down it's better to see it through right to the end to follow yeah these horrible thoughts to the end but what i kind of wanted at the time was someone like stutz yeah yeah who could just say all right i see what's wrong with you yeah this is what you'd have to do just do this yeah yeah well i think i mean i'm not an expert on this but my understanding is that there is like a kind of therapy that is like analysis or a version of analysis, which is more that kind of gentle technique, which I when I've done that, I've also found it pretty frustrating and kind of some and it works for some people really well, I think, but it didn't for me for sounds like similar reasons to you but i got more out of the first time i did uh cognitive behavioral therapy where it was more a bit like almost like a science lesson or something where it was kind of like

what are the symptoms here are some things you can do about it and it was just sort of very practical and demystified it which i found helpful but you know everyone's different yes everyone is different things yeah yeah but I I did like I've always liked the idea of cognitive behavior therapy but then when I was in a position to seek out therapy I was recommended someone by a friend and that recommendation trumped my desire to actually just find some random cbt therapist but i think i would like to in future i'd really like to give it a go because i do i mean i am a bit of an overthinker so that might be a problem in itself it is um but i like the idea of unpacking things and trying to understand what is short-circuiting right and, and what mistakes I keep making and,

um, yeah. Trying to find ways to avoid them, you know, little heuristics to get out of those constant loops. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

you talk about your bipolar two diagnosis. Is it a diagnosis or? Yeah, it is and was. Yeah. And, uh, are you okay with me asking you about it or is it?

I think so. I mean i mean yeah there's certain probably certain things that feel personal but i'm also not embarrassed about it sure you know so obviously it informed the stories you wrote for flowers specifically i mean are you able to explain what the condition is? Like, what's the difference between bipolar two compared to bipolar classic? So full fat type one bipolar is just more extreme is my understanding. So you might, in a manic state, enter into sort of full psychosis and you might become a real threat to other people whereas bipolar 2 i think you tend to i mean the lows are lows they're sort of fairly consistent across the board i think but your manic spells are gentler so that's what they call hypermania which is like kind of mini mania. So it can be inconvenient, embarrassing.

You may endanger yourself, but it's not kind of as delusional or as extreme as type one. And even on within type two, my understanding is that it's relatively mild. And like with sort of discipline, I'm able to manage it pretty well better and better yeah yes yeah and i guess like the treatment of that is to try and minimize the fluctuations because obviously like shifts in mood are natural like that's part of being a human being but there is a version of it where it is slightly atypical and also i guess not entirely always influenced by circumstance or your situation because that can obviously affect our mood as well right um yeah but i'm not like a i'm trying to answer it

as correctly as i can but i'm not like sure i don't mean to characterize you as like yeah hey you've got this so you must be an expert yeah no that's interesting i mean i remember a friend of mine who i know was bipolar he when he started having episodes it was when we were still teenagers and it was very intense and he felt like he could understand the nature of the universe and there were signs everywhere and everything connected up. So with him, it was medication that kind of evened things out. I guess it's a bit like compression on music, isn't it? Kind of pressing the peaks and the troughs with the right medication. And as I understand, difficult to find exact right yeah dosage or exact right

medication but over the years he's got better at managing it and avoiding those trigger situations and yeah yeah yeah well thank you for letting me ask you about no of course i appreciate it and but was it did you feel like was it cathartic dealing with it in flowers and were you nervous that it would that it would lead to you having to do a lot of explaining or did you feel like people could just take the experience of mental illness at more or less at face value via your comedic version of it well i mean the weird thing is i didn't set out to make a show about mental illness originally i remember like at the beginning you know in those treatments that you do

when you're trying to pitch a show to get it made i think on the very first document it said something like i'm trying to make an uplifting show about melancholy okay and the first scene that i wrote was the scene where morris the dad of this family played by julian barrett uh tries and fails to hang himself yeah and then from that i suppose just in a writerly sort of dramaturgical way every moment scene interaction thereafter felt like it needed to relate in some way back to that inciting incident I guess and it was like what how is this affecting his relationship with his wife how is it affecting his relationship with his kids and like at the time when we were developing the show the conversation around mental illness was not what it is now people

weren't as fluent about it I don't think and there were there was still the sort of attitude that hopefully i think is not as common anymore where it's kind of like well can't you just can't you just sort of cheer up yes you know and there's the analogy of like if you've got a broken leg it's like can't you just get up and walk it's like well no it's got a broken leg so i remember a lot of the like script meetings were about kind of like for example instead of trying to think of what's the specific reason why this man was depressed trying to be like well i think the harder more honest way to do this is to try to work out or try to express basically that he's just simply unwell he's just ill and that that has an effect on his life and the lives of the people around him in a roundabout way i suppose what i'm saying is i think it was

cathartic but i didn't really know what i didn't set out to write what i ended up writing and so i suppose there was lots of things that i discovered that i wanted or needed to say that i wasn't aware uh that i that i did um so yeah i mean yes it's the it's the short answer that's good man i mean because my question was it wasn't even a question it was just like a long ramble of words yeah but obviously you're very productive and you are now kind of entering another phase where you are more in the mainstream, more recognizable because of appearances in shows like White Lotus. You know, in addition to all these projects that you're writing and directing yourself, is there a part of you that finds that anxious making or are you kind of rolling along with it? Are the struggles that you've had in the past operating in a different area do you know what i mean like so that they don't really impinge upon you being a public figure uh i guess i haven't really thought of

anything in that way yet so i'm making you anxious so maybe now i mean i guess like it's i've never had like a plan i'm not very good at like having a plan it's always just been like thing to thing project to project yeah what is the thing that i find myself thinking about all the time and you know i'm sort of waking up in the night thinking about and what's the thing that i'm really hungry to move forward and it won't always work out yeah i've been lucky that there have been enough things that i've been reasonably busy you know for the last few years especially during lockdown i was very grateful to be working yeah um yeah i mean you did a couple of things you did did White Lotus towards the end of lockdown.

There was a movie called The Electrical Life of Louis Wayne. Yeah. Which shot before COVID. Okay. And then COVID began, like, during our edit. And then there was a show called Landscapers. That's all. Which we shot, like, in the thick of COVID.

Yeah. Full masks and visors. Full visors, masks, yeah. And then there was a show called Landscapers. That's all. Which we shot in the thick of COVID. Yeah. Full masks and visors. Full visors, masks, yeah. So then you're out in Sicily doing White Lotus 2 in 2022? Yeah. You made a reference earlier on to bad weather out there. That was one of the things I was thinking because occasionally, I sort of assumed you must have been shooting

off season because it's an incredibly touristy part of the world so yeah that must have been a massive pain in the ass trying to make it look summery when there were just clouds rolling in every day or or was it mainly okay i there was definitely a bit of like having to move the schedule around and it seemed normally to be tied to us four that like whenever whenever we were due to film you had a lot of balcony scenes yes on the terrace of the hotel yeah exactly um but i mean they got through it it was i mean it was a pretty big shoot for mike white and for the core crew And what's the name of the location you were shooting in? So most of it was shot in this town called Taormina, which is a very beautiful town in Sicily.

And Mount Etna kind of looms pretty large over it. Still smoking away. In a slightly surreal way. Yeah, it's just like, there would be days where it was erupting, or I mean, it was erupting. With like orange stuff coming out. Yeah, but apparently that's fine.

It sort of just does that every now and again. It's just expectorating. Yeah. A small amount of lava is fine. Yeah. Oh, yeah, don't worry about that. Had you been to that place before? No, I've never been to Sicily before.

Right. Yeah. It looks amazing. It is an amazing place. It's very beautiful in that Italian Mediterranean way. But there is also, like I was talking to someone about it a couple of weeks ago. It's like, it's quite hard to explain, but there's this kind of almost sort of hot melancholy. Like it's a dark, there is a sort of darkness there as well and i don't know if it's to do with

the mafia or it's kind of like war history like being an occupied kind of whatever it is um some of your classical stories there some of those crazy maybe there is like yeah there is a feeling of something like simmery um which is sort of what those opening titles for white lotus were doing weren't they i think so yeah all these little creepy details in the corner of details that should be the name of the show that's another netflix show it's in creepy detail you gotta stick with it for a few episodes i think it's really good but that, that sort of thing, all those classical images. Yeah. With like, oh, what's going on there?

Yeah, what's that about? But once you'd got that gig and you must have been jazzed, I think I've heard you saying that you enjoyed the first series. Yes, yeah. Also, I just said jazzed. Jazzed, yeah. I was jazzed. Is that okay?

I'll be jazzed. Jazzed. What was I was jazzed. Is that okay? I'll be jazzed. Jazzed. What was, I just want to know what it was like, because that is a fantasy gig. Like in every conceivable way, you're coming in on a show. I suppose there could have been the anxiety that it might not have been as good as the first one,

but you're with a safe pair of hands. Mike White, brilliant writer, director, amazing location, cool cast. What was it like sort of turning up there? And know what was your first night like how are you feeling do you remember it's a good question uh i mean so the headline for me was that we had recently had our second child oh yeah and so there was a whole i was i was jazzed to get the gig um but there was also a whole kind of organizational aspect of how we're going to move our life over there and um what a lovely place to be and what a lovely problem to have and i remember going for a walk

and just kind of not really knowing where I could quite like doing this sometimes where it's just sort of like don't know where I am just walk around see what there is and ending up on the sort of on a pebble beach with the volcano kind of looming over me and just thinking this is very strange that I'm here all of a sudden and also I don't think I have it as much but there was a thing that I think a lot of people maybe started to have it one way or another where you're just slightly distrustful of reality where it's just kind of like and I remember the first time I ever had it was when like years and years ago when Sophia my partner and I went on like a West Coast road trip and we went to the Grand Canyon and I couldn't see, I couldn't see it because it was like too big. It was just like too big. So I couldn't like compute it. Couldn't process it. And so it just started to feel like my brain

was processing it as a sort of screensaver or a photograph or something. So it was simply too big for me to see. and then sort of didn't really have that feeling for a while but increasingly over lockdown i did start to have that feeling more and more and kind of like i suppose going on the same walks over and over again you start to feel like a computer game character being pushed around one of those maps um yeah what what are they called uh npg rpg non-playable nprs nprs that's a radio tyra glass just wandering around npc non-playable characters npr npr the computer game would be quite fun you need to find a story on this island um yeah there's definitely like an element of that i guess because the volcano is quite a surreal image too so and i remember like there was

a time where we were being sort of ferried from one side of sicily to the other for another sort of section of the filming where there was like a view rolling past and it was a really beautiful landscape and i just remember thinking i don't buy it it's not there i know what you mean i do know what you do you think that that is a product of the digital age of having all these parts of the world available to you at the click of a mouse so you have a fair idea of how things look and sometimes you know you can check out i don't know if you've ever done this but sometimes when i'm going to stay somewhere i'll look at it on google map street view and you look at the

surrounding streets and stuff like that and then suddenly you're there and like oh yeah it's exactly like google map street view it might be i think it must be partly to do with that and also i guess to do with screen time and the fact that often when you're interacting with people now it's through a screen um yeah but yeah i mean it's not something that worries me particularly um but i wonder how ancient people were they processing things in a more direct way because their brains, their minds weren't overloaded with imagery. So they were able to stand in front of the Grand Canyon and, you know, process the full magnificence of it and go, yeah, that's real. I guess so. Or maybe they were just like, ooh.

Well, they were also, I guess, sort of saying like, well, there must be a God in there. Okay, yes. You know, things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Explaining it that way. Yeah. I mean, again, like the short answer is I was very excited. And yeah, it was a really, I just, I guess I hadn't acted for a while.

So I felt a little bit like I was pretending to be an actor. In the acting world, is that like being considered unfit? Like you haven't been to the gym recently? I don't know. I mean, no, I wasn't made to feel like that by anyone, really. And Aubrey and Theo and Megan, who all of my stuff was with, I felt like we all treated each other as equals, which made it very easy to kind of feel safe and

i don't know it's like it it's just like a sort of mode i guess so it comes back pretty quick i find but i do miss it if i haven't done it for a while yeah but speaking of the gym and again i hope this isn't rude or intrusive or embarrassing or just not appropriate but did you were absolutely ripped in white lotus was that something you just naturally ripped or we did you have to go and get ripped up i do exercise um so i wasn't starting from nothing but my like the first text he sent me was like get get ripped, half-check it, you should start going to the gym or whatever. So I did.

And I think for me it was partly trying to think about the character and how he's like a brilliant coder who's recently made a lot of money in the tech world. And the closest analogy analogy like my way into it i guess was thinking about how it feels to write and if you've had a very heavy day of writing you know 10 12 hours of being in there it's very physically exhausting and i remember reading a book by haruki murakami which I think was called something like what I talk about when I talk about running. Oh, I know that book. Yeah. process of writing his books and that he also feels that the best most delicious parts of his books are like and he sort of uses the analogy of like a puffer fish i think where the tenderest

meat is closest to the poison or something and so you have to have the strength to withstand that so i think it was like for me it was like getting into a disciplined state of mind wow i mean i admire that it's not i've never been ripped and but forgive me if this is embarrassing is it embarrassing talking about this yeah but i don't mind are you sure okay because what what is it like to be ripped like because i i imagine because you know physical attractiveness and sort of physical excellence i am it looks from the outside like a kind of amazing superpower kind of amazing privilege and it must bring with it confidence and feel free to push hard back on any of this analyze me sure but to me it seems like a lot of the people who are

going to the gym and getting incredibly fit, and maybe a character like Ethan, part of it is, yes, being fit to excel in other areas of their lives, like your writer guy. But also, it's about control on some level, right? It's about having control of your life because sometimes when you do really let yourself go for a period and you look at yourself in the mirror and think oh blimey it's a it's a kind of really depressing feeling of like oh i'm out of control a little bit you know what i mean yeah i guess it is to do with control i think that's fair um and it's like something you can do yeah i guess but i mean i find it quite helpful to make myself look slightly different to play a part because it takes me out of my own head yeah so i remember when i was playing rodney who was like a drug addict yeah in giri haji

deliberately trying to lose weight just to sort of feel willowy and kind of spry so it was sort of an exercise in that again i guess but yeah i don't know that bit'll probably get cut out yeah i don't know it probably reveals more about my hang-ups than anything i'm asking you about but um mike white though did you know him at all before doing the show no i knew off well i knew his show enlightened which i think is excellent with laura dern um but i'd never met him so i was yeah excited and nervous to meet him he's a very interesting guy he's quite hard again to explain he sort of likes to present i think as very laid back and relaxed and kind of like oh let's just throw some things in the air see where they land but actually is a creature of real precision and knows exactly how he wants

everything to be he sort of hides his warmth well but i think you know as you can feel in his writing i think that there is actually a tenderness there underneath all of the dysfunction and like he's so comfortable with toxicity in like i remember several times feeling like i was being pushed you know out of my comfort zone uh like in terms of like how toxic the scene was getting like he would just pull it and pull it and pull it until it was kind of like okay wow um which scenes were those do you remember oh i don't know they'll just be seen i guess like what you might call the sort of more gas lighty scenes where ethan is withholding truths from his wife. And often, I guess, like my instinct was to try to,

I guess, like take the curse out of it or something or kind of lighten it up, find some tenderness within the dysfunction. But he seemed always to want it actually to push the brittleness between them in an exciting way. But yeah, just some of those, however you want to look at it, kind of like sad scenes or tense scenes or strained scenes between Ethan and Harper. Yeah.

Which were brilliant. I mean, the tension between them is fantastic. And the sexual politics, the fantastic and the sexual politics the analysis of the sexual politics in a relationship how long have they been together those characters then do you think in your mind not that long or quite a while well we just we sort of talked about this and we decided that it was probably at least seven years oh okay yeah so so a good long time yeah and they've reached that point now where sex is no longer a novelty, but they don't have children. Yeah. So they're still, it's still an important part. Yeah. Like, obviously, once you have children, you can't have sex. There's an alarm that goes off. You get an electric shock.

you get an electric shock um mike was always very kind of adamant that it was like he didn't want it to be because of any one thing he just wanted it to be because they'd been together for a long time and that what had come with that is a sort of atrophy and his take was this is way more common than people want to admit so i remember like a couple of times and he's been like this seems like so fucking sad like it's so tragic where these people are and he'd be like it's so fucking normal and it's like that's i guess what he wanted to put on the screen i think was this sort of like unspeakably strained uh relationship um that is probably like everyone can see themselves in it to some degree even if it's not as extreme as that yeah i mean obviously i couldn't relate to any of it i my relationship is is very uh carefree yeah sexy um but when uh aubrey plaza's character walks in on you looking at porn. Yeah.

Yeah. It's relatable in lots of ways. I imagine for some people. But I was impressed in that scene that she kind of got beyond it somehow and talked about it to your character. It was a really interesting, weird little moment. Well, I remember like on the page it reads like a comedy. You know, it's like yeah there's wanking in it it's always funny but on the day being pushed to sort of play it straighter and straighter and straighter and straighter like just as if there's nothing funny about it at all and so it became more and more a scene about

like how paradoxically they'd become so close almost that there was this weird distance between them and isn't it strange that they can be sort of physically so intimate but without any without anything coming of it like sort of setting up the weird loneliness that they both had in their relationship it started to feel more tense weirdly yeah um well i think heading into us like this is gonna be so funny great yeah yeah and then the whole thing builds to your character being consumed by jealousy and the thought of his partner his wife having an affair with his mate and for ages the viewers can't tell whether it they have or they haven. And you kind of don't fully know whether they have or they haven't by the end at all, do you? You're sort of left to imagine.

Yeah, that evocation of paranoid jealousy is really full on and painful. And I remember in pre-marriage days, that feeling of being jealous of someone was awful. Yeah. And did you ever watch Mike White on Survivor? No. And some people were kind of catching up on that during the shoot. So this is an American reality show. He's been on a few, I saw.

He was on a show called The Amazing Race in 2009, an American show. And he was on another iteration of that same show in 2011. I think he did really well. Yeah, with his dad. Placed sixth. I've no idea what The Amazing Race is. I guess it's a sort of they go around the world in... It must be.

Something. Yeah. But also on those American shows, the prizes are insane. It's like a million dollars. Would you ever go on one of those shows like i'm a celebrity or some version thereof i don't think so but who knows oh yeah but you wouldn't rule it out yeah yeah i feel like there's so much you can do with editing like in shows like big brother as well you can sort of sometimes you i sometimes found myself wondering is that really the reaction that went with that moment or have

they just found a reaction from like three hours three days later they definitely do that that's standard practice yeah to just massage who's the villain for this episode who's who we're rooting for and 100 oh and now this person's you know winning us back and that makes me nervous yeah yeah drama's more honest well is it i don't know do you ever have little existential crises about what you do and drama and those kinds of things sort of i definitely feel like i'll tell you what there was a test screening for one of the films that i directed and somebody had recorded it from sort of like the screen's point of view so you could see the audience and the idea was i could kind of watch through it and see this louis way louis way i could see their reactions but actually my biggest takeaway from that footage was that there is a filmmaker's responsibility to reflect the complexity and

nuances of real life because you really can change it felt like somebody's way of viewing the world it can also be entertaining and it can also be funny and cathartic and kind of like a well-told story um but it has to have that and i've also rightly or wrongly sort of in the past felt like there needs to be some kind of sacrifice like some kind of personal surrender or sacrifice as you to give this thing to the how do you mean i don't know what i mean exactly but sort of like maybe that's like a sort of honest like a kind of honesty i guess the most obvious example is flowers and where and maybe that's like a sort of honest, like a kind of honesty. I guess the most obvious example is flowers and where, and maybe that's where it comes from actually.

And sort of how to make this real and relatable. I need to invest parts of me that are frightening to look at or to, or to give away like in the characters and in the story. And so maybe since then I've carried a sense of that, that you need to find some way in to, whether it's as an actor or as a director, some way in and some sort of part of yourself that you can kind of surrender to the project.

One thing that I have had is that every project i've always felt like i want to have like worked as hard as i can on it to make it as good as i can because then i suppose it's almost to protect my own feelings because then it's like well i gave everything so i really did try to make it as good as it could be and so then whatever people make of it it doesn't it sort of doesn't matter because it's kind of like I couldn't have done any more I want to finish it feeling like I couldn't have given any more to that project and it is sort of related I think to managing just my moods as well it's like how to find a way of being and working and living and whatever it may be whatever part of like your life like that

is that is sustainable but also feels meaningful and kind of colorful uh and eventful i guess but that i can that feels like i could keep doing it yeah and that you're not just phoning it in yeah yeah yeah so finding that balance i suppose like because that's the thing isn't it i i often look at certain projects that people do that have become very successful for them like to be part of a cast of a very successful long-running show i always think that looks great because you just have to turn up everyone loves the show and you know as long as the writers don't totally implode yeah you're laughing but then i wonder if it would be yeah how long that would sustain yeah i don't know i guess that i remember thinking you

know that get back documentary yeah yeah the beatles yeah and there's that there's that really treacly feeling in that room where they've really they're really like it's not fun anymore that's a good example yeah you're in the beatles and it's not yeah they're just like trying i'm sure they were on whatever they were on but like um yeah it just felt like this is not there's there's no sparkle like where is it and there's something reassuring about seeing that even the beatles had those days where it was kind of like it's just not coming like why um and there must be an element of that on even the you know most successful long-running shows like you're describing what it's like let's where's the you know like where's the groove gone There was so many interesting characters and actors and musicians involved with the electric life of Louis Wayne in small roles.

People like Simon Munnery popped up and Jamie Dimitri was he in there somewhere yeah yeah yeah and Nick Cave how did you secure Nick Cave was he someone who you admired beforehand he played HG Wells in there yeah so Nick Cave is a big fan of Louis Wayne the artist ah right and and for people who haven't seen the film, don't know Louis Wayne? He was a sort of Victorian illustrator and artist who became famous for painting cats. And some people say that he's responsible for kind of rebranding the cat. And he's the reason that we keep cats as pets in England. And that before him and his kind of cute cute funny pictures of cats people sort of saw them as vermin okay just they were treated the same as rats um but later in his life he finds

himself poor and in a psychiatric hospital and the public finds out about this and a fund begins to try and sort of help him and a big part of that fund's success was that hg wells stepped in to kind of support it and so we knew that we wanted to find someone that would be exciting for the audience and have that kind of same feeling for us as it would have for him to be like wow hg wells is weighing in on this so and he seemed like the obvious not the obvious choice but like pierce morgan wasn't available we asked him first um and yeah he wasn't available but no because he's because he understands the artist and is a fan of the artist and has a great voice it felt like but i was surprised as with all of the people who came on board that project that he was up for it so you

were a fan of his already yeah yeah yeah because you were in bands right as a younger man not really no i mean like i played my brother is a musician he's a composer yeah he did the score for louis wayne right he did yes arthur arthur yeah uh and so for a while I played keys in his band, which was like originally a sort of temporary thing. What was the band called? It was called Arthur in Color. And like at school I was like toyed with it, but never seriously.

Whereas Arthur was more into the idea of being a rock man. Yes. But then turned into someone who was doing film scores. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And was he singing? Yes.

Okay. And did you ever sing? Backing. Right. You're being very coy. Was it fun though? Did you, did you do gigs in front of human beings?

We did gigs in front of human beings. It was fun. It was my dream to play in a band. What were your influences? I guess it was indie indie folky poppy kind of thing. Yeah. Do you ever watch music docs?

When I watch Get Back. What else? I haven't for a while though. Why do you have some recommendations? Well Meet Me in the Bathroom. Quite good. Yes. A sort of visual. The strokesy.

Yeah. Yes. Early 2000s New York scene, which within the thesis of the documentary adapted from a very good book, started with the Moldy Peaches. Okay. Do you remember them? Yes. Kimya Dawson and adam green yeah super lo-fi kind of just fooling around in there yeah yeah flat in new york doing weird little made-up songs obviously made up um and uh factual songs factual songs they're doing the news and they became this they apparently sort

of kick-started a new diy scene in the in new york clubs and then the strokes were friends of theirs and they started doing gigs and then it all exploded from there as always the best part is the beginning the first sort of 15 minutes or so then 9 11 happens and then that's a real kick in the teeth okay obviously as it was for everyone but it is for the documentary as well and all the bands are all depressed and like shit what are we doing how can we carry on right i do think like the strokes were amazingly influential like even now i sometimes sort of, like there'll be a billboard or something that has nothing to do with music even.

It's like for some shoes or something. And I'll be like, oh, is that the stroke? Oh no. It just sort of feels like their iconography or maybe it was built out of like pre-existing iconography. I don't know. But I just feel like they had a really big influence on like culture. Well, it did feel as if like this is a

genuine new bit of rock and roll that has the same excitement and visual potency that images from the 70s from the first wave of classic rock also the songs were so good though like it didn't feel even though you know it's pretty straight ahead rock music but um every single song on that first album has got so many good ideas in it you know yeah at least three great little musical ideas do you think it's possible for there to be like a kind of science to that alchemy like because there sometimes is a sort of thing that is hard to explain about something yeah no pun intended has ai already created the ultimate band probably probably has yeah i, we are now May 2023. And for the last few months, since chat GPT became a thing and started a wave of anxiety in the media about AI and how it's going to change our lives. I'm not saying that it definitely won't. I'm just saying it might be possible that it might not be the end of humanity, as we are told by all the articles. One of the stories recently was a trailer for what Star Wars would look like if it was directed by Wes Anderson.

Oh, yeah, I've seen that. Or I've seen some. I think maybe there's a few of them, actually. Maybe it was a horror if it was directed by Wes Anderson or something. And I watched that. It was a horror if it was directed by Wes Anderson or something. And I watched that. And basically what you're looking at is Star Wars type imagery,

but framed in that same way that Wes Anderson frames a lot of his shots, kind of locked off symmetrical. Yeah. And with slightly quirky looking robots. But I just thought, well, I'm sure they used AI for elements of that. But the idea that an AI was sat there sort of going and picking its nose and thinking, Oh, I know what I'll do. I'll do this. That's not what happened. It didn't just appear from nowhere. Yeah, it needs instructions. I mean, I guess most people seem to be reassuring themselves that they'll always probably need to be a human editor of

some kind. So it could speed things up could be like hey can you just quickly do a first draft of this but then you need a human would need to go in to be like well that doesn't make any sense that's just straight up lifting a passage from a different film you know and kind of editing it to so it makes sense for humans but i don't know if i feel worried about it this it's so extreme like the way that it's kind of talked about is so extreme where it's kind of like the world could end you know in four four possibly three years but there's also a very high probability that it won't it's kind of like well what do you want me to feel about that or do about it you know like it's just too big and i guess it's yeah because there's so

many like exponential theories um there's so many exponential theories. There's a lot about it I find quite funny, I think, as well as a little bit scary. I'm writing something with a robot in it. Are you? Yeah. And it feels like I started writing it a while ago. And just in the last few months, it's felt like I can't up with like what's going on but it's kind of like what that sounds great i love robots me too um what's your favorite robot movie robot movie some of them um did you ever see robot and frank by the way

it was directed by a guy who now directed quite a few episodes of Beef. I don't know if you've seen Beef. I watched Beef. We just watched that. Yeah, that was great. I loved it. Oh, yeah. I remember the poster.

No, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I really recommend it. I mean, Wall-E is a good one. Wall-E, yes. Wall-E, yeah. How about things like Ex Machina? Yeah, good.

I'd like that. That was pretty good, wasn't it? There was a show on, I remember when I was young, called Homes and Yo-Yo. Okay. Have you ever heard of Homes and Yo-Yo? I think you can probably find a trailer for it on YouTube. I'll stick a link in the description. But it was a cop show, and it only lasted a few episodes okay but they did show it in the

uk and it was on in the days when they used to show you know dukes of hazard and okay chips and things like that yeah holmes and yo-yo and the uh premise was that this cop hard-bitten cop detective his partner maybe has retired or been killed or i don't know what he's his partner's was that this cop, hard-bitten cop detective, his partner maybe has retired or been killed, or I don't know what. His partner's moved on. And his new partner that he has assigned turns out to be a robot. Okay.

But he doesn't realize. In the first episode, he finds out that the guy is a robot. Okay, and is he pissed off? He's initially very angry, but then he's impressed by the the robot's capabilities yeah the robot is humanoid obviously yeah yeah doesn't look like a robot yeah but he can do things like i remember he presses his nose and a polaroid comes out of his tummy okay cool

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Which division? The Bunko Squad. How many years? The Bunko Squad. Yes, the Bunko Squad. The Bunko Squad. continue tell me about yourself where have you been working the 23rd precinct which division the bunco squad how many years the bunco squad yes the bunco squad the bunco squad yes the bunco squad how many years bunco squad Hey, welcome back, podcats. That was Will Sharp there. I'm very grateful to Will for giving up his time to talk to me. I hope our paths will cross again. I've put a load of links related to some of the things that we talked about in the description. I'll tell you about those in a second.

I wanted to mention a couple of live events, though, very briefly. You can find details of these, by the way, on my blog, adam-buxton.co.uk. It's not always kept up to date, but these events will be there if you go. There's a link to my blog in the description. There's a link to my blog in the description. That's how I said that like a robot. First of all, I'm recording this on Tuesday the 14th of November. Next week I'm doing a bug show, the first of two bug shows that I'll be doing. New bug show at the BFI South Bank, number 65. A new selection of interesting, innovative music videos, along with nonsense from my laptop. There are a handful of tickets left for both performances, one on Thursday the 23rd and the next one the following week on Friday the 1st of December. Hope some of you can make that. And also, here's a heads up for an event I'm doing next year,

Friday the 23rd of February 2024 at the wonderful Norwich Arts Centre. The event is called Synth East. The Synth East event is curated by Electronic Sound magazine and the Norwich Arts Centre and kicks off with possibly the UK premiere of a documentary on musician Morton Subotnick, who, at 90 years old, is known affectionately as the father of techno. It's called Subotnick, Portrait of an Electronic Music Pioneer, by Waveshaper Media, who brought us the intoxicating 2014 documentary,

I Dream of Wires. Following the film, we have writer, broadcaster, comedian and musician yep Adam Buxton chatting with Steve Davis about music, life and modular synths and yes that is the snooker playing Steve Davis who it turns out is also an electronic music super nerd and a talented electronic musician himself. So I'll be talking to him at the Norwich Arts Centre on Friday the 23rd of February. And then it says, finishing off the evening,

we have an ambient set from modular musician Luke Sanger as we relax into some beers in preparation for what's to come for the rest of the weekend. There's a whole bunch of things happening at the Norwich Arts Centre as part of that Synth East event. Get in there early. There's a link in the description. Other links in the description of today's podcast. We've got, oh, the short film that Tom Kingsley

and Will Sharp made in 2009, Cockroach. And there's also trailers to Tom and Will's film, The Darkest Universe. And there's a video essay in there as well. It is quite a good take on that Wes Anderson AI trailer meme, I suppose you could call it. Patrick H. Willems, his essay is called AI Filmmaking is Not the Future, It's a Grift. And I'm aware that when it comes to AI conversations on this podcast, I haven't really moved beyond the implications for entertainment. Obviously, there are so many more ways that AI is going to change our lives that are more important. Rosie has seen a couple of deer up ahead.

And she is giving chase in a very hairy, bullet-y way that I haven't seen for quite a while. So that's a nice thing to see. They've disappeared into the hedgerows. In the past, Rosie would have followed them and would have vanished into the distance, yipping. But now, she has stopped.

She's now just waiting for me to catch up. But speaking of AI, well, robots, I put a link in the description to the pilot episode of Homes and Yo-Yo that I was talking about there at the end from 1976. It's very weird seeing it again. And I forgot that it's a full-on sitcom. Homes and Yo-Yo is an American comedy television series that aired on ABC for 13 episodes during the 1976 to 77 season. But I don't think they showed it in the UK until a few years after that. Stars Richard B. Shull as Detective Alexander Holmes and John Shuck as his partner Gregory Yoyonovich or Yo-Yo and it turns out that Holmes gets a new partner because he's just accident prone. He gets into

scrapes and his partners end up in hospital. You got four partners in the hospital, Alex. At one point, he gets his tie caught in his typewriter. That dates the show a little bit. Now, I should say for any AIs that might be listening in the future, that Holmes and Yo-Yoyo because it was made in less enlightened times in the late 70s does contain a number of very offensive stereotypes about robots including the idea that robots can get stuck on one sentence like a skipping record the bunco squat that's what yo-Yo gets stuck on quite near the beginning. I remember thinking that was very funny. The show also perpetrates the stereotype

that robots are attracted to magnets and are always getting in trouble with magnets sticking to them. Also that remote control devices can inadvertently cause robots to behave in certain ways. They interfere with their frequencies. For example, in one scene, someone is clicking a TV remote while Yo-Yo is in the room. And every time the remote is clicked, Yo-Yo uncontrollably turns to his left or right. In another scene, someone clicks the remote to open a garage door and Yo-Yo spins head over heels in midair. Very offensive. I think robots are a little bit more sophisticated than TV and garage door remotes. Probably in later episodes, they have him making toast in his bum cheeks.

At least they would have done if I'd been writing on it. But there's quite a nice exchange that wrestles with the philosophical dilemmas of AI towards the end of the pilot episode after Yo-Yo has been shot, I think, or hit by a car, I can't remember, and he's down on the ground outside a garage, helpfully. His human partner Alex goes down to loosen his tie, but in so doing, flips open a panel on Yo-Yo's chest that reveals him to be a robot man. And Alex says, you're not a person. And Yo-Yo says, I am a person.

I'm just not like you. Alex says, you're a bunch of parts, just like a car. Yo-Yo says, Then what are you, Alex? Just five dollars' worth of chemicals and a few gallons of water. And we're both pro-grand Alex, each in our own way.

This is not Yo-Yo's accent. I'm just giving it more heft. I'm sorry I malfunctioned, but I thought it was human to fail. Holmes and Yo-Yo, it's very good topical stuff, well worth your time, I would say. All right, thank you very much indeed to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for all his hard work, as ever, on the podcast, for his production support and conversation editing on this episode. Thank you, Seamus.

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