THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.58 - JOSH HOMME (WITH SOME MATT BERRY)

Episode Date: November 26, 2017

Adam enjoys a ramble with Queens Of The Stone Age front man Josh Homme and his friend, comedian Matt Berry. CONTAINS STRONG ROCK LANGUAGE!Adam Buxton’s Old Bits DVD is out now from gofasterstripe.comContribute to the Adam & Joe Christmas Podcast at adam-buxton.co.ukThanks to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for production support and Jack Bushell for additional editing on this episode.Music & jingles by Adam Buxton Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening I took my microphone and found some human folk Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how you doing listeners? Adam Buxton here.

Very nice to be back with you again on a track in rural Norfolk. a track in rural Norfolk. As I walk, it is considerably cooler than it was in Los Angeles, where I was last week doing the bug Bowie special. Thanks to all those who came along. It was very nice to meet a few podcats there. But yeah, good to be back. Lovely to see my family, especially the furriest member of my family my wife no that goes without saying i'm talking about rosie who has zipped off ahead of me into the gloaming the moon is bright in the sky just a bit of a toenail moon tonight still about 20 minutes left before it's totally dark i suppose and yes it is really very bitey. Anyway, listen, that's enough weather chat.

Before I tell you about this week's episode, just a couple of brief bits of business. I am seeing Joe Cornish in a couple of weeks to record our traditional Christmas podcast. And as ever, we'd like you to send us a few anecdotes and a few interesting slash funny bits and pieces that we might read out on the day so if you'd like to contribute you can leave a comment beneath the latest post on my blog adam-buxton.co.uk your post will not be published

even if it looks as if it has trust me it hasn't. We'll just read them and save our favourites for the podcast. Deadline for contributions is the 7th of December. The other thing I wanted to tell you about is that the DVD of my live show, recorded earlier this year, now available yay it features live material and videos from around 2013 to 2016 classic stuff middle premium puddings youtube comments beach boys sliding around in the pub toilet brad pitt singinghead. It's all there and more, as well as outtakes from the live show

and a previously unseen Countryman episode. It's called Adam Buxton's Old Bits. It's a two-blonde tondra. And you can buy the DVD or download an HD digital copy from gofastastripe.com. Oh, bruv. my hand is freezing so i'm gonna have to just put my glove on quickly before i tell you about this week's episode oh that's better oh now except now i can't activate the notes on my phone because it's all touch operated isn't it oh okay take glove off

turn on phone but then it's going to turn off again in a second isn't it so now i've got a ah the modern world eh brilliant stuff uh where are we display and and brightness. Auto lock. Never. There we go. Back to notes. Puts glove on. This is compelling stuff, isn't it, listeners? You don't get this on the radio. They tend to cut all this stuff out for some reason. Not on the podcast. So this week's episode, number 58, is the first of two podcasts that I'm putting out back-to-back this week. That's insane, Buckles. You should concentrate on your personal life and attend to your family. No, they'll be okay.

It's more important that the podcats are happy. It's the first of two podcasts that I'm putting out back to back, which feature tales of rock. I'll tell you about this episode shortly, but make sure you check out the next one, number 59, which features some wonderful anecdotes about the likes of Soft Cell, Iggy Pop, Neil Young, and David Bowie, from one of the all-time great music video directors, Tim Pope. Tim's got some great stories, so do check that one out. But this episode features a rambly conversation with Josh Homme, frontman of rock music gang Queens of the Stone Age. And yes, it's pronounced Homme, not Homme, like Bron Homme.

Anyway, I met Josh at the end of September of this year, 2017, in the slightly noisy basement function room of a fancy hotel where Josh was performing promotional duties for the Queens of the Stone Age album Villains, which had just been released. Villains produced by Mark Ronson. And speaking of Josh's famous friends, at the last minute we were joined for our brief waffle slot by actor, comedian and musician, let's not forget, Matt Berry. Matt's second appearance on the podcast. Now, I'd never met Josh before, but he and Matt have been friends for a while. As you'll hear, they first

got together back in 2008 when Matt was in Los Angeles working on an episode of the Sarah Silverman program. And one of the American comedians working on the show, Steve Agee, introduced him to Josh. Now, clearly, Josh is a big fan of left field comedy and he's appeared in US shows like Aquatine Hunger Force, Comedy Bang Bang and Portlandia, as well as popping up on Matt's show Toast. So there was a bit of talk about their first encounter as well as the similarities in their approaches to what they both do. they both do. We also talked a bit about a documentary that Josh had recently completed called American Valhalla. I'm paraphrasing now from the website blurb. Directed by Andreas Neumann and Josh Homme, American Valhalla tells the story of an unlikely musical collaboration between two mavericks of American rock, Josh and Iggy Pop. The film follows the recording of Iggy's album, Post-Pop Depression, in the California desert, as well as the explosive

tour that builds to a crowning performance at London's iconic Royal Albert Hall. Featuring stunning cinematography and intimate access. Ooh. American Valhalla reveals the growth of an intense bond, might want to get that scene too, between two musicians who have taken to heart the mantra, you risk nothing, you gain nothing. So yeah, we talk a bit about that documentary, as well as a few of our other favourite rock docs. And we hear about Josh getting into trouble with officials

at airports and railway stations. Come on, mate, what kind of loser does that? If you haven't listened to this podcast before, I should explain that the answer to that ironic rhetorical question is me. So prepare yourself for rock chat containing rock non sequiturs, rock pontificating and some strong rock language with Matt Berry and Josh Homme. Here we go. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that. Come on, let's chew the fat and have a ramble chat. Put on your conversation coat and find your talking hat.

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So because I like him, I just went wherever he went, you know. And he said, oh, we're going to go past my friend Josh's place. Did you go for chili? Is that what you did? Did you go to Chili John's? Something like that. Yeah. There's just an amazing chili place by my studio that's been the exact same recipe since 1948.

And, you know, if someone said, hey, will you come and get chili with me? I would say, like, no way, man. There's no way. You know? But this place is quite special. And it's so close to my studio. Because I believe it was, unfortunately, I have a really good memory. And so I have to remember everything I did all right

well that's good then and uh and and it was like we're just getting chilly what are you guys doing and we were in the throes of recording the most difficult record to make for us which one was that one it was it was like like clockwork and we always have fun whatever we do so we would have fun in the rowboat to hell but eventually you get there and you go oh everyone off then you know and so they came by and provided this wonderful comic relief and we made a plan to the next day was it the next day all right i think it was the next day because you had limited time day all right okay it may have was it no it couldn't have been it couldn't have been i can't remember but all i remember is that he's got the most amazing stuff in his studio like Oh right, okay. It may have, was it? No, it couldn't have been. I don't know. It couldn't have been. I can't remember.

But all I remember is that he's got the most amazing stuff in his studio, like all this kind of vintage stuff. Maybe there's a YouTube video of you guys wandering around. There is. It's called The Secrets of the Sound. Yeah, I think it's ended up on YouTube. And it was Liam Lynch who just kind of pointed the camera at us and said, you know, just do something.

I don't know what the fuck to say. So he had all this stuff and i just kind of made out that because it was old that it would be shit and said well why have you got this crap then and then it puts it all on him then to explain what this stuff is which which was a great pairing for our relationship actually because you know i think what's beautiful is that muddling of perception yeah you know the perception would be like that i'm hey man what's going on yeah watch out and your girl and all the stuff you know rock monster but the truth is that really no so but by him coming in and saying what you called one of the guys that was like

you know mike or dean you were like so dan you know just calling him the wrong name and yeah generally being a complete cunt not knowing what is going on you know what i mean as in the interviewing process yes did you know this did you know josh's stuff were you a queen yeah yeah absolutely but that wouldn't have been funny so every song he knows every lyric and song i like to say yeah that wouldn't have been funny though no so i just had to you know do the opposite i didn't know what to do you know and but there was um troy had brought his dog in and his dog started to rub itself in front of us so there we after that we just didn't have to do anything yeah we just let the dog do it what was it but you know some moments i hate to associate this with

the dog rubbing its ass on the carpet, but some moments are just perfect. Oh, I saw that, yeah. Like, I'm not saying, hey, look, it's that. So whose dog was that? That's Troy's. Troy's, and it had a tuxedo, so it was like a tiny gentleman, you know? Yeah. Tiny gentleman dragging his ass.

Yeah, well, like betraying the costume, right? Because he's dragging his ass, but that's what you do. It's the size of two fists. Yeah. It was tiny. That's usually an indication. But that's what you do. It's the size of two fists. Yeah.

It was tiny. That's usually an indication. That's usually an indication that they've got some anal gland issues. Or they want to party, I think. Or they want to party. That's kind of on the fence, perhaps. Yeah. And so we had just been having a serious conversation about the dog when, as if paid double scale,

he started to rub ass on carpet. And I had to come up with some kind of I'm really sorry you know he doesn't normally yeah normally normally he does this twice as hard you know it was all there for it was gold production and what did you see Matt in before you were aware of his, early on early on, I'd seen Garth Marenga's Dark Place, which I felt was like, it felt like the punk rock records I bought when I was a kid that nobody knew about. Because

in the States, it's me and I think like seven other people that know that show. And it's so deep. In fact, what I love most about that show is trying to explain it to somebody else. It's like trying to explain the story behind the movie Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze. Like, I would have loved to have been at that pitch meeting for Gros Morangay or Roadhouse, you know? It's a bouncer with a heart of gold in a very small town with a club owner that really wants to turn the tide and sell people booze.

But there's a bad, bad man armed with helicopters, an army of men, and what seems to be a monster truck and a serious vendetta, you know? I haven't seen Roadhouse for a long time. I think I need to see Roadhouse again. Say you're not feeling good about yourself or the people that you hang out with because you realize they're god-awful. You'll be my regular Saturday night thing. That's Roadhouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember, of course, it's My Way or the Highway, obviously. Right.

It's the first time I heard that in Roadhouse. And what's the name of the actor who gets... Sam Shepard. Oh, Sam Shepard's in there, that's right. Yeah. It's him. No, it's... Well, it's one of the Shepards, right? Bloody hell, I didn't realise. It's... You know, he's got the big moustache. He was in... Yeah, that's Sam.

Yeah. And he always sounds like... Like that. They get him at the end of the movie. Like, he sounds like God's nephew, just throwing out advice, just like, you know what you really need to do? Yeah. I don't think that's Sam Shepard.

Who is it? That's some other gnarly old genius. Well, it's a different Shepard. Because Sam Shepard just died, right? Jack Shepard. Jeff Shepard. Shep Shepard. Def Shepard. Def Shepard. different shepherd my because sam shepherd just died right yeah shepherd yeah shepherd chef shepherd deaf shepherd deaf shepherd well i think the first couple things you do if you can anchor it to something really credible that took real bravado to do i mean that seems like a labor of love that requires part of the

energy you expend man richard to convince someone with a checkbook that it's necessary. Yes. And once you get them to say yes, you go, oh my God, they just said yes, you know? And like, you know, everyone's got their chain, they're attached to their roots, right? You know, your chain is attached

to this really credible thing. So you could basically rom-com your way with, what's her face though to the rest of amy schumer sure but the uh but yeah i mean it was just you know to get that kind of reaction you know from your fact that that's kind of more important you know than what anybody you know from any of the papers said but as an as an endeavor it worked in that way because i remember at the time and i've told you this, that Ford didn't want me to do it.

Ford didn't know who I was. Who the fuck is Matt Bray? No. And they had all these other ideas of people, you know, that they wanted to do it. And then, you know, when you speak to some people now,

they're going, we didn't want to do it. I backed that early on. Well, but the nature of watching, because they say two wrongs will make a right, but 40 wrongs make an amazing. You know what I mean?

So I thought, what if you, because it's so parallels musically what I felt I was into and had done. There's just this little quirk. And so I think that was sort of an accelerant. I already had my own quirk for saying, I have a quirk. That's what makes it different. quirk for saying, I have a quirk. That's what makes it different. Perhaps you could have a quirk and be surrounded by accomplished people, but it's your quirk that can twist this thing into a place you could never go. So, you know, my grandpa used to say, if you're going to be different, you're going to get hit by rocks. So you need to learn to like rocks. That shit always

stuck with me where it was like, well, I guess you'd better practice your aim because I deflect ish. You know what I mean? And I, I think there's that importance. So I see Garth Marenghi where they're overdubbing little pieces of, of the vocal track, just the one like cougar, you know, on, and it's so consistently wrong and it's so consistently terrible. And it's so consistently terrible. And really good actors acting terrible and then talking about how good it is with the most arrogant possible perspective. It's just the most.

Well, I always tell people to listen to that show with headphones because there's a lot of jokes that you'll miss where the voice goes that way, yet the actual person goes that way. Stuff like that. It's so deep. You might get it on your stereo or whatever, the voice goes that way, yet the actual person goes that way, and stuff like that. Well, you know, that you'll get like that. You might get it, you know,

on your stereo or whatever, but you, you know, you really will get it in your headphones. We did it, you know, we did it with Toast with some things. Well, that would be

my question to you, would be, I mean this as a compliment, I wouldn't say that that was a success, it's more of a time-released anarchy. It wasn't a huge success, right? No, it didn't do anything.

God, thank you, me. Right, right. It was sort of like it's a it's a culture mike judge should have made it like i know it's as if mike you know it has this america the american parallel would be you know idiocracy or something of that nature where it permeates so or office space where it permeates so hard after the fact that it's sort of like the good cancer you're like i've got it i've got it yeah yeah yeah and but in making toast or or how you bring something to it or doesn't that help later on because you can watch that 30 times in each episode and get something and i like to play like that and i know not everyone's watching like that but who cares what does that yeah yeah i mean like you know not with the it because that wasn't i was sort of told what to do there but

what you bring to the i suppose i mean it's just it's it's everything whether it's an album or whether you're doing a tv show for me it's got to be as rich as you can you've got to put as many little things you know just to keep your interest up. You know what I mean? Absolutely. So just smatter the whole thing with tiny little things, you know, that you find interesting. I don't give a fuck about anyone else. And it's the same, you know, when sort of making an album, you know, there's no thought to anyone else. I don't care, really. Your albums are really great surprise too because they turn up in a location that is completely off kilter for where you're looking for matt berry which i love yeah because that

last record is fucking awesome do you like that one so i didn't mean to say that i shouldn't say awesome i should say uh incredible yeah it was great because well his voice and the thing and you realize he's great he's a great musician i. I mean, not as good as I am, but. Who is? Yeah, honestly, I'm not even that good. In the world. He's number one. Of all the world, historically.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not even good enough to beat me at what I do. Hello, my friend. It's good to see you again. I've got to say, you're looking great. I love what you've done with your nipples and your knees and your shiny bald pate. Where were you first made aware of that super detailed thing and the fact that you can enjoy? And for me, it was watching The Simpsons the first time.

All the little jokes going on in the background, how every single frame had something going on. Do you think it's about living that way too? Yeah, maybe. Because I bumped into Harry Shearer at a restaurant and I said, I'm a really big fan and he said actually you are you're quite large and I thought oh my god he's living this thing it's happening at all times yeah and I always feel like I'm not really not to Yoda this but I'm not trying to do anything I'm just doing what I like and I'm letting the river of passion like sort of pull away. Because this is what we get to do all this. So why not get swept away in it all?

I agree with you. And I've always liked that kind of stuff that is aware of everything else in the world. And it is sucking in loads of different influences and referencing loads of different things. I like that. I mean, you can go too far with it. Sometimes it takes you out of it a bit. You've got to have taste, ultimately. Exactly.

far with it. Sometimes it takes you out a bit. You've got to have taste, ultimately. Exactly. That's the thing for some people, I think, is that it's, for some people, it's not authentic. They like those people who shut themselves off from every influence, you know what I mean? And there must be a lot of musicians that you've worked with. Well, what's Iggy like? What's his policy on that kind of thing? Is he aware of everything else that's going on? I think that when I make a record, I don't listen to anything, right? But not on purpose. Iggy is immovable, so he listens to everything. He is on a desperate attempt to listen to as much stuff as possible

because he's interested, and that's where his sharpness lies. He's a well-read person that's still reading, which I think is really the definition of a well-read person that's that's still reading which i think is really the definition of a well-read person not what you read but what you're reading now and and he's so he's kind of like he's really sniffing around constantly i mean looking for the kitchen window and i love that i have that interest as well but his is so much further like much else of his personality it's so much closer to the tip of the spear for being avant-garde and just how voracious he is and how long he's been doing it yeah and that's never abated it's only been exacerbated right you know what i mean yeah and you know i also i mean to be fair to myself i get excited about the things i love

because cool is not something you're better than it's something you really are into you know and but i also don't i kiss the ass of no thing that walks or crawls because honesty is a requirement for being having a real dialogue about what you do like i think part of my own checkered reputation is from honesty honest oh really have you been a bit too uh forthright sometimes do you think people have got bent out of shape i've realized that after the fact right you know or my wife brody doll who's a tremendous strong woman and artist she can spit 30 feet she punches like a guy who's amazing and uh like well she said wow you're an incredible bastard and i've

stood and went i i'm sorry i when when was that she's like just kind of consistently all the time and you know and i just because i i do look at all of this as something above people and you only like i also don't like raw onions if you saute them i'm in i've tried what am i supposed to do tell you i think you did great cradling them i but but i also don't want to be mean because i don't want to be mean at all but so sometimes i have trouble finding my place because i want to recognize the work that went into something yeah because that means a lot and i think especially in what y'all do because it's also impacted by so many others you're in a volatile position so i always feel like you know it isn't your fault if it's bad

if you put in the work so why do i gotta say like that was incredible yeah that's amazing well it's weird because it's not your fault anyhow we're both in professions where sometimes you're not you're not thanked for putting in the extra work. And sometimes the feeling is like you put too much work in. You should have stepped back. For someone to use it as a doormat. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

And you overworked it. You should, what Brian Eno calls screwdrivering. Right. He says it's been too screwdrivered. Right. And his thing is like, do less. Do 50% less. it's like packing for when you go on holiday yeah pack and then remove half of what you packed and then you'll be fine

that's just experience and wisdom too right and i'll just say that it is interesting that thing of how you don't upset people with art especially other artists you know what i mean like agents have a good sort of technique if um the actor phones up and says to their agent, did you see me last night in that thing? What did you think it was like? And then if they haven't seen it, they would say, that bit where you said nothing. And the ego of any actor would just go, ah, did you like that? My space.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just get away with murder with that one. But I also don't understand acting quite well he's good i was gonna say he's good and he remembered all his lines right because josh was in an episode because i just did a portlandia i've just did a portlandia and like they had all these lines and i was like i can't do this like remember so we just have to jam you know that's and they were very good about it but i was like oh damn i better there was a little bit of but you should have tried right shouldn't you have tried and

i thought well well no yeah no but it was great and there was this worry you know the sort of production they're going do you think he'll turn up i was going he will turn up of course he'll turn up and then what a reputation well no it's because you know of what you do it wasn't you sort of personally and they were just shitting, you know, of what you do. It wasn't you sort of personally. And they were just shitting themselves. You know, all of them were, do you think he'll turn up, Matt? And I'm going, he, you know, he is going to turn up. Don't be worried about this.

Snorting him. And then he's going to come out and back everything up. Yeah, well, that's kind of what they were thinking. And then not only did he turn up. Get thrown out of a few places and that's just what follows you, honestly. Yeah. You know? Not only did he turn up, but he fucking nailed it.

Well, that was a lot of fun because I felt, honestly, I felt safe, you know? But I also felt safe where I felt like if it was really bad, you'd say, you'll have to, can we do it like, but where you're doing really good, though? Because I don't have feelings like that when we're creating something.

Yeah. Because I'm very much about the end game and I want to be part of something beautiful if I can. when we're creating something. Yeah. Because I'm very much about the end game. And I want to be part of something beautiful if I can. And if that means going, the more you shut up, the better it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I'm like, oh, cool. Well, thank, honestly, thank you.

Right, so you're not going to come out one of those things sort of, in a ball of angst and tension. I know one thing for sure. I know almost nothing. Like, if someone's got a piece of advice, as long as they're not a total dick, then I'm in.

But there's that thing, you know, where you do get a guest from a different field and it can go one way or the other. And it was great because it went the right way. It was just fantastic. What he means is they cannot all be me. Well, they can't. No.

They can't. It's true. Have you been doing more Toast recently? I'm doing another show at the moment but I will do some after the other show. And is that a Vic and Bob thing you're doing? No, a thing for Channel 4. Right. Another thing. God, you are working hard man.

It just doesn't end. You're a beast. It doesn't stop Adam. These are the Tony Slattery years. God. Tony Slattery was a comedian. I won't stop, Adam. These are the Tony Slattery years. God. Tony Slattery was a comedian. I won't say anything about that. We can't really talk about that.

When we were growing up, he was on TV, and he was on just everything. It seemed like he was on absolutely everything. You know, some people, they get to a point in their career, and it's like they just say yes to everything, as if they've been given six months to live or something. And they're on every single show, and they're on every single show and they're on every single furniture out of his window yeah you would too if you oh well you are doing that but i like that you were in a plane it was eight days a week that's the most ringo thing you've

done since well i invited you to to take over from me i think you should not with a 14 minute monologue i've it's like oh nuts is Is that six days and two days with matinees? Yeah. Oh, mate. You've got to be sort of keen on the sound of your own voice to be able to do that. I was fed up with the sound of my own voice after a month. But why is it your ringtone?

You've got to call. You've got to call. Hello. Lovely to see so many friends on which one can lean once. Elbow. It is perhaps important

to fight, fight, fight right now. Do it. Fight, fight, fight! Right now, do it! Fight, fight, fight! Time! Time and space. So, Josh, you've got this American Valhalla documentary coming out. And that is...

Ah, who cares? Well, I do, because that sounds just right up my alley. That's like... Your alley is quite wide. I love... Sure. You love Yusuf Iggy? I love Iggy.

I love documentaries, music documentaries. Do you like a music documentary? I do, and I'd never directed anything, And so I was adamant about a couple of things in the event. I mean, I just, this guy, Andreas Newman, who's just incredible and who will, you know, this is the most filmed city in the world by CCTV. If you've put a drone in the air in London, someone will shoot it and then choke you to death. And he managed to film drone shots of the outside of Royal Albert Hall. He's German.

So he's always like, yeah, well, I just did it, and now it's over. And that's it. Didn't get any permission from the council or anything like that? I told him early on, you have to capture what's there. If you have to set up one light, it's over. Because this is about stealing photographs out of the timeline right you have to disappear to appear like you know what the fuck you're doing and and and also candlelight is perfect if you can't capture it you're not capturing it

we're pinning butterflies here we're not trying to set up something we're trying to to be there when the moment occurs. Now, that's what's important in a documentary. Now, I know it's always credited with the writer because it's got a perspective, right? And I understand the necessity of that. But I wanted to, in case it got taken away for whatever reason, that you had no choice but to use this footage

that looked different different that was different and also it became really clear that what we had and you know i didn't want two guys in a chair talking like behind the music or something i want it to be about why make some why make something what does it matter In this day and age when everyone's trying to work on their brand and sell you fucking water, what does it mean when you want to brand someone with a hot iron and make it hurt?

And Iggy's 70 now. When you're 70, do you have a chance at making your best thing? And if so, are people willing to listen to this perspective no matter what it is? And now, I know just because you're old, you don't just go away. But if you were to skip through the countryside and ask where everyone's parents are, a lot of people are like, in that building over there with all the other parents.

And Iggy, meanwhile, is a force of nature. And as I said, I was very honest with Iggy. But I also love Iggy, truly love him and respect him. We made the record in a very charming and sexy way. I convinced him to tour. And I said, I promise you will not say this is too many shows and no one will be allowed to see it. Basically. I'll make sure that it's in venues where we don't belong. You know, I said, what's the top 10 list of things you want to do that you've never done? And number two was Royal Albert Hall, which it's hard for me to say with my accent, Royal Albert Hall. What a show that was, though.

It was the single best show I've ever been a part of. I mean, I felt as much spectator as I made tons of mistakes. Who cares? is I made tons of mistakes. Who cares? It was the crowd, Iggy, the band, the night, the singularity of the moment. Want to see this tomorrow? Too bad. This is the moment. What will you do when you have your moment? The rest of your life was led up to this thing. And I just, I felt like, give it to me. And I also felt like that is the embodiment of where Iggy has won. He's lost many times. But he's always stood up and been like, come on, is that all you got?

And how's he with having cameras around? Terrible. Yeah. But Andreas being German and having that ability to push a little bit, be a fly on the wall that also you've swung at and missed a few times. And me saying to Iggy, I don't know much about filming, but I know you got to shoot too much to have it. You got to cross the line to know where it is. You know, and I said, said we've and our relationship helped because i get it and i'm nobody's bother but also um it won't come again and you and i both know it's true so just let it

go a little bit so you get a lot of it afterwards you know can't wait to see it and um what are you i mean do you like watching music documentaries do you ever find yourself i love it i found this difficult to really finish it took me a while to because i was like there i am again and i can't do this you know but what are some of the ones that you've enjoyed over the years live upon pay is incredible you know you know this one i just been to the exhibition oh what the pink florida exhibition okay yeah what where um oh i don't want to go it's fine the sachi no was it in the sachi i do you know i can't remember it's got everything it had all of their stuff the one thing that was sort of noticeable compared to

the bowie and the rolling stones one was the lack of costumes oh okay yeah yeah what are you gonna have because there's black t-shirts, there's shirts and jeans. They don't have anything at all. So there's a massive... They were women's t-shirts, to be fair. They did. But I thought it was great, that.

You should go. I would love to go. I would love to go there. I find Live at Pompeii to be... have this wonderful subtext about ancient heroes and modern heroes. Is that the one that's us? Has that got some stuff of them in the canteen?

Yeah. That's from dark side. Yeah. That's from dark side of the mind. Yeah. That's great. They've done a couple things of that, you know,

and, and I also, what's his name? Comes across really badly in that, doesn't he? The drummer. Nick Mason. that doesn't he the drummer Nick Mason I don't want a pie

or whatever he says I don't want the crust on my pie something like that you think oh really you'll fucking cut them off yourself my man

exactly oh well here's a knife you may not have even meant to do that write down whatever you don't want put in the box sorry that's a

paper shredder I love the Dark Side of the box we're doing sorry that's a paper shredder i love the dark side of the moon classic albums as well that's brilliant i quite like the doors because they could not exist again because that seems like a mistaken yeah go guitar player jazz drummer organist yeah yeah like what is it a silent movie you know and then a guy who really is a poet whose lyrics are really beyond but he's pretty so let's denounce it yes you know and then a guy who really is a poet whose lyrics are really beyond but he's pretty so let's denounce it yes you know what i mean he can't sing real good though you know it's like um the organ was the lead instrument there not many people want that well they don't do it and

it's haven't really been done again not in that way because in spiral cup you know but like not where that's a good point not where the organ is the lead instrument yeah yeah I love it you met him didn't you Manzarek

I saw you yeah yeah me and Joe we did a thing we went round to his house I'm very jealous of that went through his records and he very gamely

did a little stupid skit where Joe went over to his keyboard and was sort of noodling around, playing nonsense riffs. And then he came over and kind of restaged the scene from the Doors movie where he's like, I was thinking something kind of like this. You know, Joe was like, I was thinking it should be like this, Mr. Manzari.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. And he says, well, I was thinking more kind of... He was quite used to being spoken to, though, wasn't he, Ray Manzarek? Because all of those things, he's quite kind of soundbitey. And then Morrison would come in at this point. I know, but see, it kind of bugs because it's like,

I'll turn this man into an idol, you know? Because I like the humanity of it all. I like the mistakes that that's like perfection is something you strive for not something to actually expect because it's crazy right that's and perfection as we can tell by modern music the ability to fix everything when you make everything perfect there's no friction yeah the universe is created by friction and sex is about friction and so keep the friction going. It's an overwhelming temptation, isn't it?

Because everything becomes mythologized, and then everything in the past sort of is retrofitted to fit the myth. He even called him the Lizard King. When Morris' dick shot light out of the end of it. That's kind of how he told, didn't he? Then the Lizard King would come in. Yeah, but see, that's what always annoyed me. Oliver Stone portrayed him as this drunken sot. Where he was no such thing.

He was not a sot. He was a lively, intelligent man. He would read poetry. And a god, by the way. He was a Greek god. He was the Lizard King. He was a Roman god. He was a Greek god.

He was a Jewish god. He was a... Hey! I mean, it is sort of beguiling. I'll tell you another one I like is the Minutemen the Wee Jam Econo do you know

oh yeah that's good because see having known Mike for years oh you know Mike I mean for years first time I played out of town

when I was 16 you know outside the desert was a place called the Green Door and in Montclair which is a a town that you get gas,

take a shit and keep driving. I played with, you know, fire hose, you know? And so I met Mike when I was 16. He's such an idiosyncratic human being. We jam a Kano is so him. Yeah. Like he's got terminology like prac, we got to go to prac, we're in Pedro. You know, he lays next to the bed in the hotel. He's got terminology like, we've got to go to Prague, we're in Pedro.

He lays next to the bed in the hotel. He's a bit like a Catholic priest that never touched anybody except on the shoulder to give advice. Which is very rare. You're right. He's a sort of aesthetic. Is that the right word? Not aesthetic, but aesthetic.

And his whole econo philosophy is really brilliant he he sort of puts it down to being a working class boy it's for his old man he loved it's uh what would my old man want and i understand that very much my old man and my grandpa being my idols you know it's like it wasn't rock people that's that's my idols so i always saw that in mike i don't think there's a need to, what is it? It's not flatulate yourself. That's just... Flagellate.

Yeah, flagellate. Boy, it's so close. Just a letter, right? Yeah. And I said this to Iggy, too, because it was important for me to, in any collaboration, you have to give something to just take as not a collaboration. And in a way, I thought, while there's still time, I have the chance to maybe show Iggy like you don't have to do what they say you don't have to jump in the crowd if you don't want to if you want to

do it but you know I've lived up to that expectation until I was like destroyed of being a wild man being like whatever you say frankly and now you have a family so there's all which is the best thing to have ever. Normally it would have been like, don't bring your kids near me. If I touch them, they could get high. But now I'm like, who knew how much of a three-year-old brain

I really have in the mud? I mean, I basically like... When they get older than three, they outgrow me mentally. How old is your oldest? 11, so she hasn't understood me for years so you're entering the point at which they're going to become aware of you and some of the things you've done and you're going to have to square boundary setting with your own experiences and i'm not worried about that no you know no because uh I'm not perfect and that's not my

expectation and and also like people often bring up the song feel good hit of the summer you know just list drugs but again you have to understand I'm about gently prodding and poking our own audience in the hopes to keep their mind open as a mantra to do it for myself and that's just a way to see what do you what do people say when you go like this I don't say do it for myself. And that's just a way to see what do you, what do people say when you go like this? I don't say do that or don't do that. That's what you do. And what I'm interested in is watching you do it. I also do that because I want to fight against people using the word tradition as a way to hold you down. And like, this is all set up. So it's like, don't walk on the grass where it's like, why not? It's fucking gorgeous like, don't walk on the grass. Where it's like, why not? It's fucking gorgeous.

You don't walk on the grass. I walk on the grass. That's what I do. And I've been told, well, that's an utterly American thing to say. I was like, well, what are you going to do, babe? I'm from the desert. You're going to ruin the grass. Yeah, right.

Exactly. Like the way the good Lord intended. It comes, that comes a lot with, I suppose, again, with what we do in as far as... Pouncing around. Well, being freelance. Freelance is not the right expression. I can't think of anything else.

No, but I think that's real. Freelance. And you become less good at being told what to do, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the only times where you really come against it are in airports.

Yeah. And- Which I've been arrested at. And taxed these. Have you been arrested in an airport? Yeah. What were you doing? Did you complain at security?

Well, sure. Of course, I told them that I thought there were certain things they could improve, you know? But that was on the way out. But also, my friend Jesse Hughes from my birthday the night before had a party at my house. I was traveling early the next morning. What's funny is he was on tour, so he was going to be there.

And he gave me a collapsible wand as a gift, which is a weapon, you know, a baton. Right. And put it in my overnight bag. Gosh. Right by the door door which i had packed and so i just went to the airport oh man because i packed my bag yeah yeah and and i said oh that's that's a present i said that was a gift that seems weird right does that seem like a weird

thing actually look at my license see how i smell like booze and clearly i haven't slept and also which both those ain't illegal and there's my license which says oh my god I've turned a year older so you can see where the misunderstanding is in fact it's yours from one guy to another and then I ended up going to jail and so I explained for the collapsible cost they just said no man I might have said and I mean there might be more to it but listen I don't want to focus on that that's what started that's what grabbed the door handle perhaps okay right so then i said well i'd like you to hear the following things since we're going to jail and so i explained all this stuff in my own language which apparently was a no good took a few kicks in the ribs you can't

literally yeah in what country was this this was in burbank but it's true it's the only time when that you know when there's no nonsense yeah that's it's not left big or you know smart you think you are you know it still happened to us yesterday really we we were in the train station in paris yeah and the english border patrol decided that they were going to roust us for whatever reason. And we missed our train. And normally I'm about nowadays, I'm about like smiling and saying hi and you look lovely and give a wink and because it's so much, you know, spoonful of sugar. Right. But once it's all gone south, then I'm like, well, now I'm free because it's south, you know, Then I'm like, well, now I'm free because it's south, you know.

I'm in the south. Yeah, I'm in the southern islands. And by the way, I was a boat commander here, you know. So I know how to get away and I know how to stay and I know how to go. And if it's too fucking late, well, check it out, man, you know. So I just started to explain to the guy what I thought his motivation was. Oh, how did that go? I think it went really well. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Can I just do one thing? So from my garden in Bedford, I've bought you, I know that you don't like raw onion, but I bought you two onions from my garden. And I haven't cooked them, obviously, because they're you two onions from my garden. And I haven't cooked them, obviously, because they're just raw straight from my garden. But I'd like you to try one of them. I'll try one of them. I mean, Adam can try one as well. I've never done... I don't want

to do this. This is like an episode of Jackass. More like Jerkass, because like what he's asking me to do. You know what? This is only because of how I feel about you. Bless you. But I want you to, I need a bucket. It's the only things I've ever grown.

I can't grow anything else. Grow up next, would you? Here it goes. All right. Fucking hell. Oh my God, Lou. That is disgusting. That's not too bad.

I'm not going to. You like it? You know what I think? Actually, sorry. That's not too bad. I'm not going to... You like it? You know what I think... Actually... Sorry. It's tart. You know... Is it bad for you to actually do this?

Do you know? I don't even... This has got to be the... It's got to be the best thing for you, given the laws of medical counter-proportionality, i.e. anything that's nice is very bad for you. Is that the deal? There's no amount of extra that's going to cut through this.

It's more like going to be in a chariot of shit. Well, thanks for all doing it because it does mean a lot. Actually, no, not too bad. No kissing for us. Oh no, I can't finish it, I'm sorry Wait, this is an advert for Squarespace Every time I visit your website I see success Yes, success

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