THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.69 - LOLLY ADEFOPE

Episode Date: March 23, 2018

Adam talks with British actor and comedian Lolly Adefope about working with Steve Buscemi and Daniel Radcliffe, her early forays into comedy at university, music, offensive language and whether she should watch The Crown (she really doesn’t want to but Adam tries to convince her to give it a go).Also Adam’s dog Rosie spots a deer and runs off into the wood, yipping, giving Adam an opportunity to try out his new pet tracker. Exciting eh?TECHNICAL NOTE - Apologies for the ‘roomy’ sound quality during my conversation with Lolly. This was due to the host (a terrible man) failing to actually turn the mics on and having to use the emergency dictaphone back up for the edit. Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and Matt Lamont for conversation editing. Music & jingles by Adam BuxtonAdam Buxton’s Old Bits DVD is out now from gofasterstripe.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening I took my microphone and found some human folk Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how you doing, podcats? Adam Buxton here. Nice to be with you again.

It's sunny today. Whoa, what a novelty to feel the sun on my face after months and months of gloom and cold and darkness. It feels as if we're almost out the other side. Just as I said that, a huge cloud covered the sun and an icy wind began to blow in my face. Excitingly today, myself and Rosie are walking a different route. The fields we normally walk past are occupied by about three big tractors with machines being dragged along behind them, ploughing up the fields, sowing seeds, I don't know what kind of seeds. I'm hoping seeds of love, but it might be discontent or possibly just turnips. The only problem with walking this unusual route

is that it takes us past some woodland where Rosie invariably spots a deer that she can Rosie invariably spots a deer that she can chase after, yipping away, and then just she vanishes for a while and it makes me very nervous. I tried to get a pet tracker and, you know, I googled a lot of pet trackers and I got this one that said, oh yeah, this is good for pets. No, it isn't. It's fine if the pet is in the next room. You'd have to download an app. And if you sync it up with the app, you can press a button and the little thing will start playing a tune. Oh, there you go. You're just in the next room.

But you can't use it outside. And you can't use it in woods but I did feel as if I should get something because there's been quite a few times recently where Rosie's just buggered off for ages and it's quite distraughtening anyway listen enough dog problems let me tell There you go. Can you hear? Yeah, she's spotted a deer. And now she's off a yipping in the woods. Uh-oh, the deer's coming this way. Let's see if I can...

Rose, come here. Rosie, totally ignoring me. Fenton! Fenton! Oh, Jesus Christ! And off she goes. Anyway, listen, sorry for that interruption. I was saying, podcast number 69 features a conversation with British actor and character comedian Lolly Adafope. I spoke to lolly earlier this year 2018 and uh we chatted about

the fact that she's recently been out in america working with steve brucemi and daniel radcliffe for goodness sake oh rosie she's having the best time out there. Anyway. Yes. Steve Buscemi, or Buscemi, some people like to say, and Daniel Radcliffe. Are they nice? What do you reckon?

We'll find out. We spoke about Lolly's early forays into comedy at university, and we spoke about music. Llly's a big music fan talked about what she's been listening to recently a few gigs that she's been to including the strange sounds of jimothy lacoste rosie i'm trying to do the intro oh don't go up there you see this is the thing now she's shot off in the other direction Rosie don't go over there uh-oh what is she chasing looks like a warthog well she's having a great great time I was saying that Lolly plays a character in Joe Brand's sitcom Damned. And the character is this sort of ultra PC social worker.

And that led us on to discussing an exchange I saw Lolly having on Twitter about people using the N-word. And that somehow led us on to arguing about whether the crown was worth watching maybe arguing is too strong a word disagreeing we also talked about music festivals and lolly mentioned to me that she's going to be performing at latitude this year in south wold i said i hadn't been invited but i'm happy to say that my wangling efforts since our conversation have been successful, and I now will be performing at Latitude 2018. I'll be doing the Best of Bug show that I was talking about last week, the 10th anniversary Best Of, featuring some of my favourite bits and pieces, music videos, my music videos,

other little bits of nonsense, YouTube comments, etc. That'll be in the film tent one afternoon at Latitude over the weekend of either the 14th or 15th of July. We haven't got our slot, but yeah, it'll be an afternoon thing, I should think. A technical note before we get into the conversation. You will hear that the sound is very roomy on this one. Normally I do my best to make the podcast sound as good as possible, but every now and again there's a technical malfunction and I'm forced to rely on the backup recording that I make on my little dictaphone, on this thing that I'm holding right now, in fact.

But you'll be amazed at how quickly your clever brain readjusts and you won't even notice it. Rosie is now hurtling in the opposite direction. I'll be back at the end for a little bit more waffle, but right now, here we go! Ramble chat, let's have a ramble chat. We'll focus first on this, then concentrate on that. Ramble Chat I got you some presents, Lolly. Thank you so much.

I'm trying to be better about present buying for my guests. Thank you. This is Christmas birthday. When's your birthday? September. Happy birthday. Thank you. First of all, this is, well, I'll let you describe it.

This is a bottom burp master. So you press the buttons and I guess it makes a noise. Go on. It's funny stuff. That's a power one. That would last quite a long time. on. It's funny stuff. That's a power one. I don't know, that's quite a long time. Yeah. That's realistic.

Wet. Standard. That's not very standard, I think. I think that's more standard. Squeaky. Yeah. Cost fart. Really good.

That's actually, that's the standard. Ripper. That's quite musical, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's like. This is like a DJ pad. People don't, there's no DJs that sample farts, are there? Yet. There should be. Yeah. I mean, that is a big gap in the market. Yeah. As it were. What's that guy, Deadmau5, who has that big thing on his head? Oh, yeah. One of those kind of character guys. That's right, fart man. For a gay.

This is not a cool way to start, really. I'm going to put it to the side. It's disrespectful. But I like farts. Do you like farts? I love farts. I think it's good to be vulnerable at all times, and it's a chance to show your vulnerability, I think. Exactly.

And I can use this as a sort of punchline as well. Exactly. After I say something. I mean that is the ultimate weapon. If I say something that dies in the room I can be like. Yeah. I can't believe more comedians don't go on stage with a little funny sound maker. Yeah. Well I can do that now. Yeah. I have a preview of Monday for my Edinburgh show so. There you go.

I have no material. Five stars. Yeah. A Scotsman. Five farts. A very entertaining fart. I got you a sheet of Alan Buxton podcast stickers. Oh my gosh. They are designed by a brilliant artist called Helen Green and I love them so much.

I love stickers, don't you? Are these just coincidental things? They are all, she came up with them all. They're all things that a nerdy listener to this podcast would know. Ah, I see. So read out and describe some of the things on there. Well, Dr. Buckles.

Dr. Buckles. Thank you. Did it say thank you on there? Yeah. Thank you. That's a thing I sometimes say. Yeah, yeah. It's exclusive to this podcast.

You're known for that. Yeah. Was that the podcast where they say thank you? Yeah, at the end, at the beginning. My wife. My wife. Yes, yes. Robot that the podcast where they say thank you? Yeah, at the end, at the beginning. My Wife. My Wife. Yes, yes. Robot Man.

Jingles. Talking Cat. Yeah. Hello, Geezer. I'm pleased to see you. That's good, man. As you see, they're really... But by way of coincidence, it says Rosie on there.

And Rosie is the name of the character that I just played. With Steve Buscemi? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I looked at this and I was like, how did she know? Killer segue. Yeah.

Rosie's my dog. I didn't want to talk about it, but. She's not mine. She's a free dog. She's a dog in her own right. Yeah. She lives with us. And I love her so much.

She loves me. I'm pretty sure. I've heard that she does. I think she does. I mean, if she. There's a lot of chatter about that. If she doesn't love me, she's doing a fucking amazing impression of someone who thinks i'm brilliant so steve buscemi yes holy moses tell me everything you can about that um steve buscemi was born in he's from new york yeah he's so cool he's what's this? It's called Miracle Workers and it's by Simon Rich.

How would I know him? He wrote Man Seeking Woman and he has written some amazing short stories as well. A Brit or an American? American. He wrote for SNL. Do know. Yes, I've heard. And he wrote a book called What in God's

Name and then this was made into this TV show called Miracle Workers which is set in heaven and Steve Buscemi plays God and it's about him creating the earth and then realising that it's terrible and wanting to blow it up and then some people who work in heaven convincing him not to

so the series is about them trying to save the earth Can you say who you play? I play Rosie who is God's assistant and she hates her job because he's a moron and she like did all this training to get to this executive position and then has like no use of any of her talents and skills so she's just really bored and like hates her life every day but then you know things develop as the show goes on is it a comedy comedy yeah workplace comedy so it's just sort of full-on comedy rather than a drama that has comedic elements?

Yeah, comedy, yeah. Oh, good one. And what, half hours? Yeah, yeah. Excellent. Yeah, yeah. They filmed loads of stuff in Atlanta, which is what I realised from going there. So you were on location in Atlanta, or was it a studio?

A studio. Okay. Yeah. It's really big for studios and stuff. What's it like, the city? I've only... All I know about Atlanta is from watching a little bit of Donald Glover's show. Yeah. It's it like, the city? I've only, all I know about Atlanta is from watching a little bit of Donald Glover's show.

It's cool. It's quite liberal, I think, compared to the rest of Georgia. Fantastic restaurants, fantastic bars. Quite religious. I think there are lots of places for clothes on Sundays. Chick-fil-A, famously, clothes on Sundays.

But yeah, quite a cool, like cool laid-back city, I think. Right. I didn't really go to... Because one of the drivers kept saying, do you want to go to the bad side? Why? I was like, maybe. And I never actually went there.

I think that part is more like the Donald Glover part. Right. Just cooler, I think. The bad side. Maybe it's just like they just show really shit films the whole time yeah yeah it's just like

not great yeah everything's a bit rubbish yeah so how long were you there I was there for two months okay

I came home for Christmas for a few days but yeah two months in a hotel nice hotel lovely hotel which is quite mad to live in a hotel

for two months obviously very grateful to be doing it sure but like check your privilege yeah exactly I love my job but like i would like just order room service all the time oh really i don't have a cooker or anything was it all on the um production company i had per diems okay each day so i could splurge yeah what's your favorite uh thing to order from room service well every, every day I would call up,

and I think they started to know me as, like, the woman who lives in this hotel, like Alan Partridge, and I would call up and be like, um, what's the soup of the day? And they would say, like, something horrible. It's the soup du jour. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah,

no, can I have the chicken burger, please? And chips as well. Yeah, and not soup, because I didn't actually want the soup. I just wanted to ask what the soup of the day was. I wanted to ask to pretend that I wasn't going to have exactly what I had ordered. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there was one day, actually, when the woman who brought up my food was like,

I always speak to you, and I just had to come up and see what you look like. Oh, that's nice. Just like the crazy lady who lives there and doesn't do anything. Yeah. But it was really fun. Oh, man. I always, I'm so was really fun oh man I always I'm so unadventurous

I always just order exactly the same what do you get I find it's generally from hotel to hotel especially if I'm an American hotel

if I'm an American hotel if I'm in an American hotel the safest bet is usually a club sandwich sure yeah yeah yeah but

I don't like that. I really want some integrity from not sloppy. Yeah. I don't want some fucking thing that just falls apart. Totally. And they might stick a little yellow plastic sword in the top. Yeah. Yeah.

That's not fooling anyone. You need to take it out. Yeah. I need to take it out because I generally have to remove half of the bullshit that they've put in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the tomatoes. I generally have to remove half of the bullshit that they've put in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like the tomatoes. I'm too fussy.

No, yeah. I'm allergic to raw vegetables. Are you really? Yeah, yeah. That's not convenient. No. And when I was younger, nobody believed me because I was like, I just want to eat chocolate and sweets. Whoa.

So what happens to you if you eat raw vegetables? It depends on the vegetable. If it's not too bad, I'll just get very itchy around the mouth and throat and sort of do that kind of horrible noise where you kind of try and scratch the back of your throat with your throat. Oh, yeah. Yeah, really horrible. And if it's very bad, then I will just throw up,

which is actually not that bad because then it's just done. But you're okay if they're cooked? Yeah, if they're cooked and peeled. It's something to do with the peel, and it's just done. But you're okay if they're cooked? Yeah, if they're cooked and peeled. Ah. It's something to do with the peel, but it's also something to do with the pesticides, but it still happens when I eat organic vegetables. I think organic vegetables are a scam.

Yeah, yeah. And it's all made up. There's such a scam, that makes you puke. Yeah, exactly. I'm so woke that I can't eat them. Yeah, yeah. I'm so woke. Yeah. Yeah. I'm allergic to hypocrisy. That's tough. So man,

how was Steve Buscemi? So great. So cool. Did you like his stuff already? Yes. Yeah. Big fan. Yeah.

He was like not, he wasn't in any way intimidating, but I was intimidated because he's so cool. Yeah. Great. What's your favourite thing that he's done or one of them I mean this is not a good example

but I thought he was really funny in Billy Madison he's quite good in those Adam Sandler things isn't he yeah I think that was

the first time that I was like who is this guy when I was younger being like when he puts the lipstick on at the end it was amazing

and great in Death of Stalin as well oh god yes he was really good yeah that film really stayed with me you know what i mean i thought about it quite a bit yeah yeah it really conjured the ending that atmosphere of paranoia at the end was shocking yeah bleak yeah and rupert friend who knewt Friend was so funny I didn't realise that he was a Brit yeah I saw him in um

Start Up that's right I know that's how I knew yeah that's right that was good which is amazing

yeah yeah who's the main guy in that the young guy um Jack he's in Skins

he's been Skins okay Jack um what Jack Whitehall yeah I've been remember. Jack Whitehall, yeah. I've been put away. I'm going to prison because I did something, like, really bad. Yeah, my dad's in here as well.

That's a terrible impression of Jack Whitehall. Travels with my father to prison. That would be good. And how old is Steve Buscemi now? I don't know. He must be in his 60s. I guess so, yeah. So does he... He's ageless, I guess.mi now? I don't know. He must be in his 60s. I guess so, yeah. So does he...

He's ageless, I guess. Does he... He's ageless. He's timeless. Does he sort of hang out afterwards and... Yeah, we went... We had like a wrap party and he came, went for dinners. Yeah.

He came. Very cool guy. Very like easy to chat to. Because it was like quite a young cast and then him. Mm-hmm. But it just... We just all hung out and had a nice time together it was really great wow that's cool and when does that come out then

um it comes out in i think july what's it called again miracle workers called on tbs in america i don't know what the plan is for the uk um but daniel radcliffe's in it so i was like talking to the people in the channel daniel radcliffe's just not Yeah, I did know. He's next. Coming up next. And I was like, well, you have to put it on in the UK because obviously

he's got millions of fans who watch it. So I think hopefully it'll be on. How was Radcliffe? The nicest, most angelic person I've ever met.

Oh, really? That's good to hear. So kind and like just wonderful. Yeah. Just so sweet. And yeah, just again, so easy to go on with, hang out with us. Did he teach you any magic?

No, there was one point when me and another guy in the cast called Karin were having like quite intense discussions about something to do with Harry Potter. And then I was like, no, it's the Mirror of Erised because it's desire backwards. And then he came over and he was like, guys, involve me in this conversation if you're going to talk about it. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, just like, so isn't like, like okay i don't want to talk about harry potter or anything

it's just so open and take us all out for dinner yeah because you could forgive him if that was his position couldn't you yeah you totally yeah i'm almost like i i don't like to forgive actors for being dicks because you have a kind of easy job in some respects but like his life has obviously been so mad but i would forgive him for being a dick but i was talking about the wisdom or lack thereof of putting children in big films sure yeah yeah what would you do if you had children would you try and steer them away or i think i want to steer them away but i would know that if it was me my parents doing me away from I think I would want to steer them away but I would know that if it was me my parents steering me away from it would make me want to do it more

yeah so I would have to do something like weird triple bluff or something where I was like yeah do it when did you start expressing an interest in being in showbiz from birth from when I was like maybe 14 and 15

I think yeah when I was younger it, maybe 14 and 15. Okay. I think, yeah, when I was younger, it was more just, like, a fun thing to pretend. And I would, like, write little stories and try and write episodes of things. You'd try and write episodes of things? Yeah, I would try and, like, write a new episode of a TV show that I already liked. How would you do it? Like, what did it... Would you plot it out in a way that looks a bit similar to a screenplay? Yeah.

Oh, no. Never like that. It would be like me and my notebook. Like you'd sort of write it like a story. Yeah. Yeah. And it would essentially just be a TV show where I fancy someone in it, where I write in a new character who comes to the town, who I, it's just me. That's you. And he shakes everything up. And just that annoying thing of being like, she didn't get on with girls, but she really got on with girls.

She's a real tomboy. Yeah. What would your character be called? Madison. Oh, really? Yeah, there was one that I wrote that was for a show called Everwood. And then, because it was so slow to come over to the UK,

I'd only seen the first season, so I wrote this character called Madison that was basically me, and then found out in the second season that there was a character called Madison so then would like have to rewrite everything and be like oh my god I've got to change everything because I'm not that Madison

I'm a different Madison so yeah I would write those kinds of things and then when I got to like sixth form I wanted to do drama but couldn't do it because of something to do with my school or like timetable Where did you grow up? Sutton

South London and I went to school in Surrey right okay not such high school for girls yeah was that nice?

yeah I think so I was thinking about this yesterday I was like like I complained about it at the time because there were no boys

and I was just of that age where I was like it's better for girls to learn with boys around even though now I'm like obviously not it's obviously

such a distraction well that's a big thing isn't it we have a young daughter and we're having that conversation at the moment what is the best way

my instinct is no boys I think for a girl definitely no boys yeah for a boy probably better to be with girls

I don't know because then because girls can be very harsh with each other For a girl, definitely no boys. Yeah. For a boy, probably better to be with girls. I don't know, because girls can be very harsh with each other. Oh, yeah, there's that side of it, yeah. And maybe boys can sort of break that up a little bit, I don't know. But then it gets too competitive. Yeah. I think it depends on the person as well. I think I would have been, I was already distracted enough by the idea of boys, that if I'd been

with boys I think it would have, I just wouldn't have done any work but if it's the kind of person who like has a good head on their shoulders and is like boys are trash, then I think it would be fine but so wanted to do drama, didn't do drama at school then wanted to go to drama school

my parents were like, no do a proper degree oh yeah and was there a word cue tantrum yeah mild tantrum where I was kind of I kind of see where they're coming from but also you don't understand me and this is all I can do even though I have no training you need to nurture my genius yeah support me in any decision I make no matter what so I did English and did lots of drama at university okay extracurricular

where did you go then? Loughborough Loughborough how was that? my fifth choice of university Loughborough was fine I feel like Loughborough's

I don't know anything about Loughborough but it's it's almost like one of the good ones it's a good university yeah it's very laddy

okay and when I arrived I wanted to be like this arty indie person and I was like this is not my place I'm not this kind of girl

come and join the sexual harassment fraternity yeah exactly right yeah it was like a fraternity the whole university I think it's like

70% boys or something mmm yeah holy Moses that's a lot some of the halls my hall was definitely like 70% boys

but did lots of drama university and I suppose I wanted to go to Cambridge I didn't get in and then was like what am I going to do now how am I going to be

in the footlights if I don't go to Cambridge oh was that your plan yeah just do that get in and then be a comedian and then everything

will be fine yeah well it's worked for quite a few people yeah exactly it works it does so then went to Loughborough realised that that there was no Loughborough equivalent.

But then somebody, this group of third years, when I was in first year, started up this new sketch group and held auditions. And I was like, this is fate. This is what I'm meant to do. So then I got into that sketch group. Then they all left at the end of third year and were like, bye. And then I was like, OK, I've got to continue it somehow. So me and my friends kept it going. But we never went to Edinburgh or anything

because there was just no culture of it at Loughborough so we didn't really know what we were doing. Yeah. We tried one year and we applied and then we realised that our venue was like in Glasgow. Okay. And it was at like 1am and we were like, should we not do this?

Because the show was also very bad. What was the show, Sketches? It was Sketches. We were called the Loughborough Players. Okay. I came up with the name. Very nice. It was Sketches. We were called the Loughborough Players. Okay. I came up with the name. Very nice. And then actually one year

we were called Guys and Lolls because it was four guys and me. That's quite good. And then we did a sketch show at Loughborough

that went really well and we did one planning for Edinburgh that was just, just because I was going up to Edinburgh in my holidays and seeing like

the Bristol Revenuans and seeing all these like cool groups and then coming back to Loughborough and being like, guys, actually, our stuff is not good. We really need to like buck up our ideas. And then basically waited until I'd left and then started doing it myself.

Yeah. Did you find it nerve wracking, all that stuff? At university, I don't think I did. I think it was basically a blessing that I didn't get into Cambridge because nobody did comedy at Loughborough. People thought I was really funny because they were like, what?

Sketch comedy? Brilliant. So I was never really that nervous because there were no stakes and there was no one else doing it. There's no one watching. It's just me in a mirror crying. When I started doing it myself that was when I was nervous.

And you started with characters did you yeah did you ever do straight stand-up never right no too scared I wanted to yeah no it's too much but loads of stand-ups say like characters are scary and I'm like what are you talking about well I don't stand-ups have their own protection systems don't they all their little ticks and yeah dave chappelle when he leans forward and drops his mic on his leg and stuff yeah it's all part of who they are of his little defensive system sure the really good comedians you don't notice it but they're all techniques for putting a barrier up between them and the audience yeah yeah yeah without making it look that way but yeah

that's what you want to do that's exactly what I was like I was like there's no way I'm going to go on there and be myself yeah exactly because it would be tragic

and what if they hate me yeah whereas if they hate because all of my characters are like I don't really do likeable characters although they can be likeable

in some senses but the main question is that they're yeah really annoying yeah so it was always like well it's fine because they dislike the character but so do i exactly and it's kind of yeah like

you're like bonding with the audience by having this shared thing to hate whereas even if i did do stand-up it would still be a version of myself but i would still be too scared to do that yeah yeah right let's go again what don't you fucking understand kick your fucking ass let's go again what the fuck is it with you i want you off the fucking set you prick no you're a nice guy the fuck are you doing no don't shut me up no no like this no no don't shut me up. I like this. Fuck's sake, man, you're amateur. Seriously, man, you and me, we're fucking done professionally. What were you listening to when you came into the office here? We are at the offices of a production company where Seamus, who helps me out with the podcast, works.

And we're in their conference room. It's a very nice office. It's not. There's many worse offices. And you had your headphones. I had my headphones in. And what were you listening to? Musical podcast.

Music. Yeah. King Cruel. King Cruel. Yeah. I just got that record. The Ouz. Yeah.

So good. He's an interesting guy, isn't he? Yeah, yeah. I was reading an interview with him the other day. What's his story? I don't know much about him. He's from South East London. Always lived there kind of blew up

and was hanging out with all these cool people I think and could have made an album with Kanye West or something and they didn't want to So is hip hop his background or is sort of indie rock? No yeah like indie sort of melancholic He reminds me of Beck

Yeah yeah Did you ever, Beck's before your time I guess I was into Beck a little bit sort of melancholic yeah I think he reminds me of Beck yeah yeah did you ever with the Becks before your time I guess I was into Beck a little bit right

yeah I think he's more of that kind of young like almost perpetually 19 shoegazy London kind of

you know trawling south east London pubs and like failed relationships have you ever seen him live do you go and see

live music yeah loads oh really you go and see live music? Yeah. Yeah. Loads. Oh really? I go and see live music. I've seen him. I saw him at Primavera last year.

Where's Primavera? Where does that happen? Barcelona. Oh wow. Yeah. It was so great. Amazing. It was really nice.

Who else was playing? Solange. Okay. My son is into Solange. Love Solange. She was great. I saw Kendrick Lamar the other day oh wow

it was incredible where did you see him at the O2 in Greenwich right yeah it was spiritual

the stagecraft the creative direction was amazing it was like because you know he's Kung Fu Kenny so he had this whole story oh no

I don't know much about him I've got to Pimper Butterfly that's all I know listen to it Damn that's the new one oh yeah so he had this whole story oh no I don't know much about him I've got to Pimper Butterfly that's all I know. Listen to it down that's the new one. Oh yeah yeah. So he calls himself Kung Fu Kenny so he had like these visuals of this story of the story of Kung Fu Kenny and his quest

and then he had these dancers on stage who were like doing karate but like dancing and like it was just very epic and great and very moving. and does he do does he do bands into song bands he does like

non-cringe bands like just kind of like London yeah keeps it short he doesn't go on a long roll yeah

keeps it succinct he's not like Magda Marco no he doesn't like take his top off right yeah

and roll around had you seen a show at the O2 before I saw The Weeknd oh right a few years ago and Banks take his top off and roll around had you seen a show at the O2 before? I saw The Weeknd a few years ago and Banks was supporting

Banks? I don't know Banks Banks is great I'll make you a playlist please is Banks a rapping person? no Banks is a singer

a female girl quite sad music some of it's been used in Girls that kind of kind of thing. Okay, right, right.

It's quite good, the O2, isn't it? I mean, the sound is really good. Yeah, it was really good. Because that's the problem with some of the Enormoderms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you having a chemical stimulant when you go to the gig? Are you having a little drink-drink? Smoke-smoke?

I had a little drink-dr drink because it was just a normal Monday and I had to do some writing the next day but I think there were some people doing a little smoke smoke.

Right, right. You know, it would have been lovely to do a little smoke smoke but it wasn't to be for me that night. I'm sorry. No, thank you.

But I'll tell you who you got me into. I was looking at one of your tweets. Can I ask why didn't you follow me on Twitter? Do I not? Did you used to follow me and unfollow me because I said something uncool? I don't think so

But I will never follow you now No you shouldn't Because it would be too weird You shouldn't If I find out that you are following me I'm just going to start coming out with all my alt-right stuff Yeah, yeah, yeah That you've been saving up. Yeah. But, on your Twitter feed, I saw

you a couple of times mentioning this guy, and I was like, who the shit is that? Jimothy Lacoste. Do you love it? So you tell me about Jimothy Lacoste. I don't know much about Jimothy Lacoste, other than that he is the greatest musician of the generation.

Have you heard Getting Busy? Do you listen to that one? Yeah. I mean, I listen to it every day. Tell my listeners, like, tell them the deal with Jimmy Fila Kost. Jimmy Fila Kost is a... He's 17, I know. Is he 17?

Yeah, apparently. Or, well, he was last year. Okay, yeah, he's very young. Yeah. He... I mean, I don't even know how to describe it. He wears red trousers. What, is he mixed race? I think he's Jewish. young. Yeah. He, I mean, I don't even know how to describe it. He wears red trousers. What is he, mixed race?

I think he's Jewish. Okay. Yeah. Does that count? Yeah, I guess so. He lives in Camden. How do you know this? Because I read all about him.

I got fascinated by him. Yeah, he kind of, he's a great dancer. Yeah. And does, sort of dances on like the top of a train and things, and nobody knows how. And he's like, I think he's from a sort of wealthy family maybe. I think so, yeah. Yeah. And does, sort of, dances on, like, the top of a train and things, and nobody knows how. And he's like, I think he's from a sort of wealthy family maybe. I think so, yeah. So he's like a posh kid, but he's... He's very posh, yeah.

But yeah, he wears these crazy red trousers. And I guess it's a character, because his name is Timothy Lacoste. Right. So who the real guy is. Timothy Gonzales. Really? Yeah. Wow.

I will put all the info. Wow. Timothy Gonzalez really? yeah wow all the info wow and Getting Busy you described the video for Getting Busy Getting Busy is him sort of dancing in various

locations by himself quite slow but really impressive in a weird way him like wearing these sort of small sunglasses and

like talk singing like suddenly being at the top of a bus stop dancing I don't there's one where he's on the back of a train same one yeah

yeah and I is it CGI I don't know it can't be no it's real it's real but like he's on the top of a train

he's hanging off the back of a Hammersmith and City overground tube yeah yeah which is obviously Wells Angels insane yeah and he's on he's at the top of a lamppost at one point yeah yeah yeah yeah Overground Tube. Yeah, yeah. Which is obviously Wells Angels. Insane.

Yeah. And he's at the top of a lamppost at one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The music is all very lo-fi, isn't it? It is. He does it on an iPad, I think.

But then I listen to it because there's a bit at the beginning of the video where it says, make sure you listen on good speakers to hear the heavy bass. Yeah.

And then I did actually listen, normally I did it because it's on Spotify now. So I listen to it with really good headphones and it is great is it really the bass is so good no way yeah i couldn't believe it uh i've got a little clip here my getting ready song yeah this is i mean getting busy is funny like describe what he's talking about in getting busy he's talking about how is this is it almost like life is good when you're eating healthy meals? Yes. And when you've got a schedule.

And what am I going to do on Monday? I'm getting so busy. What am I going to do on Monday? Monday. Boy, I'm thinner. Get yes paid. Boy, I'm thinner. Thinner, like I'm going to.

Like a sort of a hip hop way of, I don't know what it sounds like, but like, I'm thinner, do that. It's like, I'm going to do that. Oh, thinner. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you. Schedule's getting busy.

Might have to hire a maid. Life is getting quite exciting. It's so good. It's a bit like, it's got the Mike Skinner feel about it, doesn't it? But it's way less. But parody. Yeah. It's way less accomplished A bit of parody. Yeah. It's way less accomplished. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One of the lyrics is, Go watch my cool dance moves. We can dance and laugh like wealthy, happy, cool Jews. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess, yeah, he is Jewish. He's got another song called Drugs. Yeah, Drugs is really good.

Drugs is him talking to a girl saying, Don't take so many drugs. Yeah. Why you got to do so many drugs? Many drugs. Drugs is him talking to a girl saying, don't take so many drugs. Why you got to do so many drugs? Many drugs. And it's an appeal to a lover, you know, saying, stop, you're going too far. That was quite deep. Let's have a little clip.

It's so catchy. Jimothy Lacoste Hold tight Jimothy I like it anyway I mean Jimothy is a good name We used to call each other Jimothy Why you gotta do so many drugs Many drugs

Take it easy with your drugs Or it can be a loss You can be my pretty little Darling Kate Moss But take it easy with your drugs So good. But he is upset about Xanax, especially. Oh, really? That's what she's taking, and he doesn't like that? I think that's what the kids are taking. Right.

There's an epidemic. Wow. So I started reading about it. Where'd you get it from? Well, where'd you get it? People's prescriptions. You get it prescription, yeah. Right.

But you can get it off the dark web. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I know But you can get it off the dark web. Sure, sure, sure, sure. I get pretty much everything back these days. And it's one of those things that parents are now hearing about because it's becoming a real massive problem. So it's now... Oh, wow. Is it like an upper?

No, it's a tranquilizer. Oh, wow. It's one of the benzodiazepine family, which includes Valium and Clonopin. And that's where you feel very like... Blissed out. Yeah, yeah. So you take it for anxiety disorders, or it might be prescribed for anxiety disorders.

And you know, apparently in these modern times we're living in, there's more and more people suffering from some form of anxiety disorder what is there to be not anxious about is the question between Trump, nuclear war what gender you are what fight you got into on social media I mean god

being shamed judged body image slut shame there's no end of things to get anxious about Shamed on social media. Shamed. Yeah. Judged. Judged. Body image. Body shame. Slut shame. There's no end of things to get anxious about. Right. So everyone's getting anxious.

But apparently it's the thing, like kids are sort of dropping loads of Xanax. Well, that's so cool that Jimothy's doing this. Yeah, Jimothy's weighing in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Flushing them down the toilet in one scene. Love it. So let's hope he's not doing that ironically. It doesn't seem like it, don't you think?

Like, it seems like it's from the heart. I think it seems like it's ironic, but it's also from the heart. Yeah. I mean, there's one scene where he's kicking what appears to be a large plastic bag of cocaine. Yeah, yeah. Like a football. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's like, yeah, it's a joke, but it's like, but seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Jimothy. Yeah. I think it's like, yeah, it's a joke, but it's like, but seriously. Yeah, yeah. Come on, Jimothy. Yeah. I think, no, I think, because I read an interview with him and I think he's genuinely dismayed by how prevalent it is.

That's so cool. And how it makes, turns people into dicks, yeah. I love Jimothy. Jimothy. Ugh. How did you find out about him? Someone shared it on Twitter, I think.

I think, like, last year they were like this guy's going to be big yeah and then I just became obsessed with it right and I've been waiting every day for it to come on Spotify and finally it is

I hope he's at the festivals this year yes right are you going to festivals? going to Latitude are you playing there? yeah are you playing there? no

haven't been invited they've stopped inviting me ah but I'm trying to wangle a invitation Are you playing there? Yeah. Are you playing there? No. I haven't been invited. They've stopped inviting me. Ah. But I'm trying to wangle an invitation because my children want to go. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Takes Annex. Or we could do it some sort of double act or something. Yeah. What are you going to do? What do you do when you go to the festivals?

I do... I don't really like performing for longer than ten minutes unless it's an hour but because I just find like even if people like characters

to me the idea of someone doing a 5 minute character and being like and now I'm going to do another one and doing that 6 times is like alright. Also the change in gears is a bit Yeah I've never worked out the best way to like go in between characters apart from lights down lights up I come back on with no costume

have you seen Tash Dimitriou doing characters yes I saw one thing I don't know if she always does it but she just talks about the fact that she's going to be a different character now oh yes it's quite funny like she just does it in a really weird way

that's funny you make it naturalistic Yes, yeah. And it's quite funny. Like, she just does it in a really weird way. It's funny. Yeah, I think if you make it naturalistic, that's probably the best way. But our festival, I would... Last year I did a guy who's like a political correctness guru who's teaching people how to be more politically correct. Right, because your character in the social workers thing, what's it called?

Damned. Damned, yes. Jo Brand's show. She's a bit of a kind of social justice warrior. Yeah, yeah. Very judgy. Yeah, by the book of like being woke and being feminist. Right, right.

But like has a good heart, but it's kind of just sort of textbook rather than common sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And is it that sort of character then that you're doing? This guy is much worse than her, I think. He's more like, he says the N-word because he thinks that he's on the right side. So he's like, no, no, I'm like a lefty liberal guy. And like, these are the things you shouldn't say because they'll get offended. But these are the things you can say.

And like, don't worry about this kind of thing. Yeah. I saw you having a back and forth on twitter about the n-word and it was in the wake of that uh conservative whip who uh described the prospect of britain leaving the eu without a deal as in the woodpile the real n-word in the woodpile yeah yeah yeah insane oh dear but like the audacity like, yeah, it's fine to say that. Yeah. The confidence. Yes, you tweeted, someone needs to tell your boyfriend he doesn't actually need to say the N-word himself when discussing racism.

Yes. And a fellow weighed in, a white bloke, middle-aged guy. And he said, this is a dangerous idea. Using a word in a discussion of the word is not the same as using the word to mean what it means and so then you had that big debate which a lot of people are having these days about like well is this a freedom of speech issue or what why aren't we allowed to say we're not racists yes so why can't we just why can't we use the word in a discussion of the word yeah and you were just saying no it's just, because people are looking at it

as why can't we say it rather than why do I want to say it? Like, why would anyone want to say it? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And if you can say the N-word, because all the people who were discussing it saying

why should I not be able to say it weren't saying why can't I say this word? They were saying why can't I say it? So obviously there's a fear around the word and like, just don't say it if you can get by

saying the n-word, which everyone can, all the time and people are saying to you that this is offensive, then just listen to those people rather than argue for something that you have no need for. Indeed, I mean it's weird though because i i had this thing when i went on richard herring's podcast a while back and i was telling a story

about an altercation i had with a traffic warden right and uh he was a person of color he was like an indian guy and at one point it got really heated and it was totally like we were not being abusive towards each other at all we were just arguing about the fucking parking fine but I was really angry you know and I was just I was being a dick I was just saying you know make a proper job and being a bastard Wow you know I was just saying I was so furious and he said at one point to something that I, some ludicrous thing that I said, he said, N-word please. You know, that phrase.

Right, yeah. And so I said, how dare you? How dare you use that language? I find that very offensive. That's totally unacceptable to use that word. But when I was telling the story on stage with Richard, I used the word. Oh, wow. By accident.

It sort of came out because I was quoting it, right? Right, right, right. And as soon as I said it, I was like, oh, I said the word. Yeah. And the audience immediately chilled. Chilled up. Yeah. Yeah.

And so then we talked about it. And then we talked afterwards, like, do you want to cut the word? Do you want to beep it when it goes out in the podcast and rich was like i mean we do talk about it afterwards it's kind of the point of that story but and i was like yeah but people will understand what the word is if you beep it yeah it was really a tricky one yeah that's odd i think i think if you did you talk about afterwards how you said it? Yeah. Then I can leave it in.

Because then it's like... The reason I always think about things is like, is what you're doing going to help the cause in general? So if you keep it in and you discuss it, overall I think that will probably go some way to counteract saying it, I think. But if you just leave it in and you don't talk about it, then that's bad. If it's sort of casually dropped, like people say this word. Yeah, exactly.

What's your policy then with hip-hop, with the hip-hop community, and the A.E.A.S. and A.Z. version of it as a kind of colloquialism amongst people of colour? A-S and A-Z version of it as a kind of colloquialism amongst people of colour? I think that people should just stop worrying about what black people are doing in their own music, I think and not equate

hip hop to a white person saying it or anyone else saying it there are other problems that you can be dealing with rather than looking at black people and being like can you guys stop saying that word please because we're not allowed to say it it's like you fix the problems that are like rife and white supremacy in these countries and then leave us to have our music we've created and kind of do what we want i think because it's obviously

like so different when it's wielded by those people when i was on the uh the tube home from kendrick lamar the other day people were singing because everyone was from the gig and then people were singing one of his songs uh and then it had the n-word in it and they were i think they were maybe like middle eastern but they were all kind of like johnny lee singing this song and everyone was kind of like oh yeah like that was a fun thing that we all just did together and then they said the n-word and i kind of flipped over and like caught eyes with another black girl and we were kind of just like what's gonna happen now and I think every again everyone tensed up a bit because nobody in the group of people singing was black and then the people

singing kind of sort of like started to mumble the rest of the words and then slowly stopped singing but I think like people just get caught up in the fun that they're having. Yeah. And it seems like you're taking away their fun by saying that they shouldn't say the word. I guess the thing that was happening on your Twitter exchange was someone who didn't feel that they were racist.

They didn't feel that they were part of the problem. And then they felt judged. Yeah, it's their own problem of them being insecure, I guess, in a way. They felt that they'd been told off. I think that's the thing that happens a lot of the time, is the tone sometimes of the exchange is just like smack hand, and you're like, well, I was just on your side.

Yeah, yeah. I guess, yeah, it's just people kind of making it all about them in a way, because it's like, this isn't about you. It's not about you age or anything. It's like, you'rerian i think this is like your right to say this word it's about a much bigger picture because i was talking about this my house yesterday i was like it's so interesting that like in this culture of offense and like victimizing and things if someone i feel like we're at a point where if someone comes and says i feel offended by

this thing our natural reaction is to say no you're not and i'm going to explain why you're not and why you shouldn't be whereas if like obviously it's not the same like if someone comes and says like oh my leg hurts then you'll be like oh who hurt your leg and i believe you that this thing happened whereas because we're not all on the same page of like our like life experiences and our cultural backgrounds. It's just interesting and kind of weird that our natural reaction is to go, Hang on, no, actually. Sorry. You can't be. Although if my children complain of their legs hurting, I do generally ignore them.

You're lying. You're a liar. You just want some attention. That's your problem. How much do you talk about race in your live stuff? More now. I kind of... Do you feel obliged? Not...

Well, kind of now I do. When I did my first Edinburgh show, I kind of... I think because I'd watched so much comedy and was a huge fan and was really thinking about how I wanted to, like,

make a name for myself doing comedy. So I planned out that I would do... My first Edinburgh show would just be a really stupid, silly character show. And then the reviews came out of the first show that were like, I really wish that she'd talked more about race. Like, that would have been really interesting to hear more about that. And her voice. Yeah.

So it was an audio review. They sent me a podcast. And then other reviews were like, you know, she doesn't even talk about her race. This is, it was an audio review. They sent me a podcast. And then other reviews were like, you know, she doesn't even talk about her race. This is, you know, long out of focus. She's a comedian. She doesn't even talk about it, which is so interesting in this climate, you know. I'm more woke than she is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also kind of saying it in a like, isn't that brilliant that she doesn't need to. Oh, okay. I see. But yeah, there was both. We're in a post race. Yeah. Yeah. In the 90s, everyone was talking about race

blah blah but now nobody needs to great so then even though I already planned for my second show to be more personal

I then made my second show kind of a response to those reviews and those opinions so it was kind of like me saying I should be able to do

whatever I want because that's what comedy is it's like talking about whatever you want to talk about and making it funny and if I do choose to talk about race then that's fine if I don't choose to talk about race then that's what comedy is. It's like talking about whatever you want to talk about and making it funny. And if I do choose to talk about racism, that's fine. If I don't choose to talk about racism, that's also fine. And the show and the work should just be analysed

for what it is rather than what it isn't. Yeah, and how funny it is. Yeah, yeah. But then now I kind of feel like, as I develop more in comedy, also because comedy is so stupid and I feel very lucky to be doing it, I'm like, I need to contribute something

I think so if I just make people laugh even though some people can do that and that's great I think part of me will think you're very lucky to be doing this Lolly right so you feel like you need to contribute somehow to an important conversation

yes exactly because in the back of my mind I'm always thinking you should be working for a charity ah ha yeah I know I know that feeling yeah

I know it's a weird thing about comedy isn't it you just think this is bullshit yeah yeah yeah yeah but do you like

silly comedy did you grow up liking silly comedy who were the people that you liked when you were loved Catherine Tate yeah

loved the Amanda show have you watched the Amanda show no what's that the people that you liked when you were loved Catherine Tate yeah loved loved like you know like the Amanda show have you watched the Amanda show no what's that that was like it was on Nickelodeon

it was Amanda Bynes and it was like her sketch show and that was when I was like that's what I'm going to do what's she doing now then she I think is having a very tough time

oh really no I think she I think she went off the rails a bit because again it was a child star too young, yeah. But I watched a lot of Nickelodeon, a lot of Disney Channel. You love Nickelodeon.

Love it so much. That's the thing. I wasn't watching Nickelodeon at that point. Sister, sister. I remember sister, sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then as I got older, like Peep Show. Uh-huh.

What about box set style series? What are you into now? I haven't seen any of the main ones. I saw you being very snooty about The Crown. Oh, yeah. What's your problem with The Crown? I haven't seen The Crown. Get it together.

I'm never going to watch The Crown. Why would I want to watch The Crown? It's good. No, I was like, guys, it's around food. You don't have to be a royalist. Yeah, you do. And if you love The Crown, it means you love the monarchy. And you hate poor people.

You only watch things that you approve of. I'm not going to watch Schindler's List because I don't like Nazis. But as long as, I don't know, I just feel like, stop humanising the monarchy. Do you know what I mean? It's too sympathetic. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to like it. I'm not going to watch it.

Oh, it's good. It is good. I'm sure the acting's great. I've got none interest in the royals i have no opinion i couldn't give a right fuck about any of them at all really but it's quite good it's a really interesting i mean it's just will i gain anything from watching it yes you will gain entertainment yeah but there's so much to watch i know but it is good also there's a sprinkling of history lorik i mean they do mangle some of it like the more interpersonal stuff there i guess they're just making it up but i challenge you lolly adephoping to watch it and not get something i'll watch one episode. Come on. But I also, now that I'm so woke, when I watch programmes like that, I just... Get too angry.

Yeah, I just feel that, like, people are watching it and sort of fetishising, like... No, they're... Like Downton Abbey and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. Well, Downton Abbey's a different kettle of coffee. I agree with you about that. Okay, cool. Yeah, I thought that was insufferable.

Yeah. Plus, Downton Abbey was pap., I thought that was insufferable. Yeah. Plus, Downton Abbey was pap. I mean, it was just like a soap. Yeah. The Crown's not like that. Okay, okay. No, no, no.

Different level. Okay, cool. Okay, I will try it out. I trust you. It is good. Because I had exactly the same thought. I was like,

why would I want to lower myself into that pit of misery again? Yeah. Because my wife used to demand that we watch Downton Abbey. Give me something else. Dr. Foster.

Have you seen Dr. Foster? Of course. Oh my goodness me. Amazing. She's brilliant. I think about it every day. Yeah. Some people thought that the second season was too trashy and silly.

I thought it was incredible. I loved it. It was so good. That's like my dream piece of television. Yeah. I love that. Who writes that show? A guy called...

Gerald. Jonathan? Oh, yeah. Jonathan Entwistle? Maybe I made that up. In fact, checking Santa's on holiday, so I'll just do it with my fingers. Mike Bartlett.

Mike Bartlett, yes. Right, it's Dr. Foster. Who's Jonathan Entwistle? Maybe I made that up. Mike Bartlett Mike Bartlett yes writes Dr Foster is Jonathan Entwistle the man who made that um he wrote The Good North Mike Bartlett Jonathan Entwistle

oh what's that I don't know never heard of it oh no he writes The End of the Fucking World oh have you seen that

no that's supposed to be good incredible is it yes what's the deal with that then is it like because i couldn't get a handle is it a drama is it a comedy it's a very very dark comedy i guess it's like it's basically a graphic novel and it's incredible what's the premise there it's a guy and a girl who run away basically and then something bad happens when they run away and they're kind of on the run and it's the most beautiful thing I've seen

the way it's shot and the actors are incredible, it's so good and yes I did audition for it and am I bitter about not getting it? No because the girl is incredible and she's supposed to be 17

and I'm 27 so it would never work but you look 17 thank you how are you in auditions I don't know I like every every time I do an audition I think I need to revolutionize the way that I audition do you learn the lines yes if I really want the part Is that what you're supposed to do for auditions? I never know. Because it really depends. Sometimes I go in and they're like, here's a script. Obviously, we didn't expect you to learn it. And I'm like, yeah.

I feel like in America, they expect you to know it. I think sometimes in America, they don't. Oh, really? Yeah, because they want you to kind of be more fluid. Okay. Sometimes they can send through about six scenes. Yeah, yeah yeah on the Friday before you're going to

do the audition yeah and I just feel like what's the benefit in because obviously I'll have time to learn it yeah so there's no need

for me to know it now and sometimes I've had auditions where I haven't learned it quite and then I've got there and been like oh sorry can I have a copy of the script

and they're like oh are you not a book yeah yeah when they don't offer you a script, that's when I'm like, ooh. Horrible. I hope I never do another audition again. I've got you another gift.

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Frangelico. Hazelnut, yeah. With the monks, that's what the monks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hazelnut. I think I'm ready for Frangelico. Yeah,ut. Yeah. With the monks. That's what the monks like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hazelnut. I think I'm ready for Frangelico. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frangelico and Kahlua are gorgeous. I went through quite a long Kahlua phase. White Russians and black Russians. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So creamy, kind of. Yeah, although, no, mainly black Russians. Yeah, okay. With, or even just Kahlua and Coke, hey?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's a black Russian again? Oh, it's vodka and Kahlua. Coke yeah yeah yeah what's a black Russian again oh it's vodka and Kahlua that's right it's pretty hardcore I think I thought I was very sophisticated

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Continue. Hey, welcome back, podcats that was lolly adefope there thank you so much to lolly for giving up her time to talk to me rosie we're gonna go this way come on there she goes the hairy bullet rose i've changed my mind we're gonna go this way i just wanted to do another fly past all right come on i'm not gonna do another one let's go down this way oh man you are knackered aren't you oh she's on full alert today i'm a professional tracker dog i'm really good at my job and uh you could probably tell i'm professional because i stand here with one paw up in the air and every now and again i sniff the ground and that's what we do what we're doing there is we're just just getting a scent up in our nostrils.

And that scent will tell us what's been there. Maybe it's a rabbit. Maybe it's a deer. I don't know. I'll just chase after it. And, you know, that reminds them who's boss, which is me. That's very interesting, Rosie. Thanks.

Last weekend, I watched Alex Garland's film Annihilation, which I think got a theatrical release or limited one anyway, but it's on Netflix. And you never know when they release stuff straight onto Netflix. Sometimes it can mean that it's a little bit on the stinky side. And I haven't really read any reviews for annihilation but i i thought it was terrific i mean it was right up my alley i love a bit of science fiction absolutely love that anything mind-bending and there was lots of little homages or references i thought to a lot of my favourite science fiction films, especially The Thing, John Carpenter's version.

It seemed like there were lots of moments that were inspired by that film. And I think I thought that it was going to be a lot more slow-paced and arty than it actually was. And it is arty in some ways. arty than it actually was and it is arty in some ways there's a kind of uh a coolness and a restraint that you wouldn't really get in your average sci-fi blockbuster i don't think but it's really entertaining natalie portman's very good basically the story is that a kind of comet hits a lighthouse on the coast of America somewhere and from there an area of weirdness with a shimmering iridescent perimeter starts expanding and these army guys go into the area to check it out most of them don't make it out. So they send some more people in. That's always the thing to do, isn't it? Well, they've all died or been horribly killed. So we thought we'd send more people in. Natalie Portman is one of the women that goes in. They're all, you know,

they're scientists and army people. And weird things start to happen. It's based on a novel, I think, that I haven't read. But boy, I thought it was really fun. You know, bits of horror, bits of almost 2001 style, kind of impressionistic existential strangeness. Everything you could want in a science fiction film. That's what Buckles says. Everything you could want in a science fiction film. That's what Buckles says. Everything you could want in a science fiction film. Dr. Buckles.

At the very least worth a go I would say. I thought it was terrific. And some, yeah, oh man, some really strange, shocking moments. It was a hoot. Rosie, come here.

I don't know where she's gone. Let's just see if the tracker's got any idea where she is. View on map. Oh, it uses Bluetooth. When you're out of range, it will disconnect. Right, okay. I didn't read that part. Oh, man, I'm so thick. I hate myself. I thought I did read, I thought I thoroughly read it, and it said it was suitable for pets. Totally useless then, but I've got four of the little gizmos. And at least I can attach them to the keys of my wife,

so she will never again lose her keys keys and there will be peace in the house all right listeners hey thanks very much indeed for listening and thank you to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for his invaluable production support thanks to Matt Lamont for additional editing on this episode and I will be back with you next week

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