The Always Sunny Podcast - America's Next Top Paddy's Billboard Model Contest

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

I'm ash, baby. Throw me in the ocean.

All right, let's just start the podcast. Charlie's in a bad mood, I can tell you. I'm not in a bad mood, I just, I'm just like, I don't know what I mean, but it's funny. It's funny that we put up a merch store and we're selling buttons for $3 and didn't realize that people were seeing bills for $93. That's funny to address.

I think it's kind of funny. Oh yeah, for sure. Well, I think what people need to understand is if you don't, if you are a small, like our operation is not big, it's that we're starting a merch store, right? Where it's the small thing right now. You know, so we don't have a warehouse in another country. What most places, what most companies would do

is they just wouldn't ship you anything at all. You wouldn't even have the choice. At least with us, you have the option. If you want to pay $90. We're the good guys. That's what I'm saying. We're just three young, upstart, handsome guys. Just trying to start a small business.

Right, just three good-looking guys and a good-looking woman. Trying a very good-looking group of people. Just trying to... So young. We don't know the rules of customs. No, we haven't learned them yet. Because we're so young and good-looking. And when you're good-looking, you don't have to know that many things

because you get by just on your looks as we have. And so we're learning these things now because we realize we're like, we got to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. You know what I mean? Because these looks aren't going to last forever. You know, let's take advantage of it while we're young. We'll learn about international tariff law

at some point in our careers, but we're just getting started. Yes, but we'll wait till we're ugly, but we decided not to wait. And now we're paying the price. Well, we're not paying the price, thank God. Somebody else is paying the price. I don't feel like paying the price.

By the way, I don't even have a pen. You want a pen? I don't have any pens. I don't have a mug. I'll get you some. I got a couple of shirts. You've got a mug sitting right in front of you, jackass. Listen, pal.

That was handed to me as a prop. I can get it to you, but it'll cost $90 for me to drive it to your house. He'll pay it. He'll pay it. He's rich. All right, I'll get you some rich. He's rich.

Rob needed a large t-shirt, which he wanted me to. I did. Thank you for saying that on the podcast. The mediums are a little small. You're exploding out of the medium. Yeah, a little tight. Yeah, let's go on there.

Did you find out the medium fit? Have you been? I have not tried. Yeah, the medium fit me, but you've always had big arms, which by the way, God bless. God bless you, you know? I remember early on,

like before we started doing the show, you and I used to, every once in a while, we'd go work out at the YMCA. Sure. You know, the youth. Young Men's Christian Association? Yeah, yeah. In West Hollywood, sometimes we'd play racquetball,

but sometimes we'd lift weights. And I remember I'd be over there doing arms because I've always had skinny arms. I have a very hard time building my arms. And you wouldn't do arms at all because your whole thing was like, they'll get too big. Bro.

Bro, you definitely did arms. I remember doing arms. Your arms will get too big. Arms. Well, he doesn't know, bro. Yeah, you had a whole technique for how to do those curls. He doesn't know.

But back then, he didn't want his arms to get too big. I did arms with you in the Y. Do you get arms with him in the Y? Yeah, we did arms with me. That's because you've got big arms too. He didn't want to make me feel bad. I appreciate that, buddy. You got it, buddy.

Thanks, bro. I definitely did. I definitely rocked some arms with you in the Y. Did you? And what year are we talking about? Early to the pre-sunny? Oh yeah, pre-sunny. And I remember it was straight to yours.

You like, you know. Big arms. The chest game was standard, but the arm game was exceptional. I was like, look at the arm game on this guy. You also never did abs back in the day. Never did abs. You were like,

That was with the coffee and cigarettes before. Yeah, that's exactly. Right. That's where the glamour muscle phrase came from, too. Well, yeah, but I mean. I guess abs would be considered glamour muscles. Abs would, and so would bison tries. But yeah, I suspect maybe you saw my body

and you were like, you know what? I'll do chest with this guy and make him feel good about himself. I always had a pretty good chest. Maybe you just wanted to have the body that would look good on a billboard. Oh, great segue. Oh yeah, that's a good transition to the episode.

You guys want to talk about the episode? I want to talk about arms and chests. Here's the thing about this episode. This is not an episode you can see on TV. No longer available. That's true. No longer available. Did you talk about that?

Yeah. It's a tough thing to talk about. It's a tough thing to talk about, but maybe. It's a tough thing to talk about without getting heavy and then going into a defensive stance on what is satire and what is it. It's kind of a hard thing not to address, right? To be like, we're going to talk about an episode

and the fans can't watch it at home. It's hard for me to look at that episode and look at Max's behavior, right? Which is insanely misogynistic. And then to say, well, that is appropriate because we're suggesting that these are terrible characters. And it's a show that is taking a satirical look at our culture and then say, well, that's okay to do,

but certain things are not okay to do. Here's my honest feeling about it. I think these things are complex. And I don't think that it does the audience's service to take away their ability to look at a piece of, what you want to call it, art or storytelling or whatever it is from the past, to remove the ability to let the audience

sort of break it down for themselves. I don't think it's positive. I think go ahead and put a disclaimer on there and be like, look, there's some humor in this that could be offensive. So tread lightly, but like, I don't know. But even that, so you'd have to put that in front of every episode.

Go ahead then, fine. But that's what the rating system is. TVMA, are you mature enough to watch this or are you a child? Are you a child, yeah. That's what TVMA is, or TV14. It's to suggest that if you're an adult, you have the ability to discern and take away what you were going to take away from.

The reason that this is down is because of the two characters that Caitlin plays. That D plays. That is an important distinction. Yeah, characters that D plays, right. That is an important distinction. Yeah, that D is trying to become a YouTube sensation and she's doing characters that she thinks

would pop on Saturday Night Live. And I specifically refer to them, certainly the second one as racist. So it's not like the show is not aware of it. Look, it's satire. That's what it is. You know what I mean? Yeah, the joke is that sweet D is a very ignorant person

and is unaware of the impact. That's what the joke is supposed to be. It's difficult because I could sit here and defend it with that logic, right? Because it's a person who doesn't realize how ignorant and racist they're being. And that is the joke. That is the show.

And that is the show. And speaking of the show, from this episode, I'd like to start by talking about SU and your A's. Don't wear a C and J all over your B's. So I'll tell you what S is, it's screw. Screw you. Okay, right. I was thinking sex, sex you, but you're probably right.

Don't wear a condom? Don't wear a condom. Screw you. And jizz all over your butts. Don't wear condom and jizz all over your butts. And jizz all over your butts. We went for F, U in the A, but I believe that was the standards in practice.

You can't say F, U in the A. You can't say F, U. You couldn't then. I think you still can say F, U in the A. You can do racist stereotypes like this. That's right, that was fun. At the time, at the time. Later dudes, SU and your A's.

Don't wear a C and J all over your B's. That's a classic Charlie line that gets quoted a lot. Yeah. That was a pretty great one. Sure. Yeah, SU in the A. What is it again? SU in your A's.

Don't wear a C and J all over your B's. Yeah. That's a parting line. That's pretty good. I'm 46. That's funny. That could be carved on a tombstone of somebody. I mean, that could just be.

Absolutely. So we'll just, yeah. That'll be on your tombstone, but. Won't be up to me. I'll be dead. Yeah, I'm gonna shit. I'm dirt. I'm dirt, don't you worry.

I'm Ash. I'm Ash, baby. Throw me in the ocean. Yeah. Danny, I think we first started getting his hair going out in this episode. We started pulling it out a little bit. He started getting a little wilder.

He's got the bigger glasses in the season, which is, right, thick frames. First time we ever had TJ? TJ Oven. Yep, playing Rex. Super funny guy. Great bod. An actor and a bodybuilder.

I'm not sure what he considers himself primarily, although I feel like he's, I mean, I follow him on Instagram. He's super into, I feel like he's even more into bodybuilding now than he was back then. Cause like, I mean, he's what you see in this episode times 15. He's in that world.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's bigger. He's bigger. He's more vascular. He's even more cut. The man, if he has any body fat at all. I don't know where it went. I don't know where it is.

And I, and I worry for him because that's, that's, you gotta have some fat. You gotta have a little bit. You gotta have a little bit. Otherwise you're eating your organs. That's right. You get, that's right. Yeah.

That's right. The body's eating all the fat. And it's like, well, where else is there fat? This is, you know, surrounding my vital organs. Around the heart. I'll eat those too. You, you refer to Rex's bird that just won't quit. Yeah.

Did you guys like realize that bird had become a word that you can't apply to? I mean, now that, because by this point it's very much applied to D. To D, yeah. But you're still using it. Birdism is a word to describe a phallus that was from Philadelphia.

Yeah, I was gonna say, is that specifically a Philadelphia thing? Cause I'd never heard that before. Very specifically the northeast part of Philadelphia. Oh, I don't think I'd heard it before that episode. Yeah. And that was, was in the script. There's a great, there is a, there's a funny blooper

from that, that is a very genuine reaction from me. Because you decided in one take, instead of saying bird, you just, you said there's a sweaty hog in those pants. And you didn't tell me you were gonna say it, fair enough. I had no, I'd never heard you use that term before. I'd never heard that term used, period. And so when you see me laugh in that, that's the first time,

that's me hearing that for the first time. That's not me hearing a line that we wrote and laughing. That's me hearing it for the first time and breaking. I bet you if you pop those jeans off, you're gonna find a sweaty hog that won't quit either. No, no, come on, come on, come on. You know what's interesting about this episode? So we're watching it and, you know,

we're commenting on reality shows, which are really just starting to hit their stride, right? Whether it's the fear factor or it's- America's next top model. Top model or what's the one? The dating or the bachelor. The bachelor. And we're hitting all those,

but we're also kind of hitting YouTube culture. Which we're like, oh, if you're a chocolate rain or the woman who was stomping and falling on the graves, it's like you're getting a bunch of followers on that and you think that's fame or whatever. I think we're being a little bit- Oh yeah. We're having to go with people who wanna become famous

just for being who they are. Yeah. Just for being who they are. And then from that time to now, like that has become the norm. Like that is mainstream sort of awareness of people is via what they're doing on the internet, whether it's TikTok or-

And I've taken a little bit of a turn on that. Like I really used to, I'll admit like kind of snub my nose at like, you know, Instagram influencers or anything like that. But I've kind of taken a little bit of a turn where I'm like, hey. Yeah, they had a platform. People use their platform and-

It's empowering. You don't have to go to one of the studios to fund something or one of the major media, yeah, it's incredible. It just empowers people to build whatever they want. Yeah. And I don't have to like what they're selling or what they're doing.

I mean, there's plenty of that on TV too. There's a lot of people who don't like our show. They don't like what we're selling either. Sure. So, you know what I mean? They're doing the same thing. They just, they took the middleman out. They took the studios and the networks out

and they were like, I can reach an audience directly with what I think is interesting and worthy of, you know, talking about. And I've realized now that like, that's pretty fucking smart. They were way smarter than I was. I didn't figure that shit out.

I didn't see a future in that. I just thought like, wow, what a really pathetic like way to try to become famous. I'll fully admit that I was like judgmental about it. Then there were people who sort of used that tool with their sort of mainstream fame and used it really well. The first guy I remember kind of like going on a terror

that was Dane Cook, who was doing a standup, but he was like huge on MySpace. You remember this? Oh yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, like The Rock and Kevin Hart, these guys had like just giant internet followings that matched there.

And now everyone's chasing it, right? Like everyone's like, well, I guess you gotta have some kind of. But then there were the people that figured out like, why don't I become famous first? Instead of doing something and becoming famous for that thing that I do, let me just go ahead and become famous first

and then I'll sell products. Sing a song, yeah. Yeah, sure. Which is like fucking smart. Yeah. I think there's been a change too because I remember the earliest days of viral videos, it felt like everyone wasn't,

it wasn't made to go viral. It was just a clip of a news show, like the woman stomping grapes or the chocolate rain thing, which wasn't supposed to be seen by millions of people, but then it just like caught fire. But now people are like, they kind of have cracked the code of,

oh, how do I make something that will go viral? But I remember there were a lot of years like working on TV shows where the like marketing, the execs or whatever would come in and be like, we'd love you guys to make a viral video. And we're like, yeah, we'll... Yeah, that's it, you can't. No, it's like...

Just put viral-ness in it, you know? That great, right. What a virus in it. That great video was one of the first internet YouTube or actually, I think even before YouTube, that was like making the rounds on like certain like... E-bombs world. E-bombs world.

Oh, that's right. Oh my God, good memory. That's exactly where I saw it. That and the guy who was auditioning for something with nunchucks and then did a backflip and landed on his face and got up and tried to keep going into the backdrop or whatever. Like there were just a handful of those like things.

And then YouTube was like the history of the dance, right? Like, wasn't there a guy? Oh my God. He did a bunch of dance and that was the first video that just... That like broke a million. Like it was like huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

Charlie bit my finger. Charlie bit my finger was also like a huge... Those kids are probably like in their mid-30s. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. But the grape stomping thing, I mean, really all that, all those were, were America's funniest home videos without the fucking host.

Yeah. You get to see the whole thing instead of seeing like a tiny little clip of it and somebody like making a stupid comment about it. You get to just watch the thing raw. Yeah. Yeah. That grape one is great, by the way.

We should put that on the podcast. I'm gonna stick it in, yeah. It's, I love that video. Nobody owns that anymore. It's owned by culture. I feel like you can just have that now. Yeah. These buckets are filled with grapes.

What kind of grapes? These are filled with shambleson grapes and the winner this Saturday, he's stomping music, eating international foods, having wine tours and tasting, vineyard tours, seminars, arts and crafts. It's a lot of fun, a whole day. Stop.

Oh, oh! Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, stop, ow, stop, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, I can't breathe, stop, I can't breathe. I wonder where that lady is. Let's find out where that lady is. I don't know, I'll look it up. They put a little chiron.

She passed and she died from grape exposure. I mean, her laughing at her pain. I mean, she fell down and is in heart. She's lying for help. She's an exceptional pain. Help, help, help. Well, no, you're laughing at the fact that she tries to cheat, right?

Yeah. So, they're doing the thing and then she goes, stop, and the other woman stops, and then she starts being sneaky and trying to do it fast because they're having a race to see who can get the most wine from stopping her grapes as she falls out of the bucket. Fucking cheater. Fucking cheater.

You're laughing at justice. You're laughing at her. The pain of justice. But it does, I mean, she, like you could, it's totally off, I'm glad it's off camera because it's very possible that she lost like quite a few teeth. Because I mean, she goes down and it almost seems like

she tips forward enough to where she landed on her face first. But that, but it is also the sound of someone who got the wind not going to themselves, right? Yeah. So, yeah. She gave an interview with a radio program where she said, am I embarrassed that I fell? Of course.

I also broke a couple ribs, thanks for asking. I had to spend a few weeks in the hospital under observation. I suffered quite a bit for an honest mistake, a momentary lapse in concentration, and now I'm trying to move on. You fucking bitch, that was not an honest mistake. It was a dishonest mistake. Well.

You fucking bitch. Wow. Now, hold on a second. We gotta cut this whole up, so to say. Yeah, this is great. Are you kidding me? This is great. What are your plans for the rest of the summer?

I mean, we're sort of at the halfway mark here. Halfway? We got like a month left. We're deep in the third quarter, buddy. Well, look, regardless of how long we have left, the key to summer is finding as much free time as possible to enjoy getaways, you know? So enjoy some cookouts, time at the pool,

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I don't remember E-Bounds World. I totally remember E-Bounds World. It was like, I wonder if does E-Bounds World still exist? Is it still a thing? It was like, it wasn't really, when we started watching it, it wasn't real time streaming. You would have to almost like Lime Wire

where you'd have to download. Lime Wire? Yeah, you would. You'd have to like download the short videos. You couldn't just click on a video and stream. I think you could. Yeah, but it was like only like really short clips and then others you had to like,

you had to download. Take a while to download it, yeah. But it was, what was E-Bounds? Was it always just a place to, because then College Humor came along and became a forum to post like comedic videos and stuff like that. Was that the Will Ferrell one?

No, that was Funny or Die. Funny or Die, right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure who started, well actually, yeah, actually I do know that Ricky Van Veen who produced Coffee Town, the movie that I did, he was one of the founders of College Humor because that was a College Humor movie.

It's the only feature movie they ever made. That's kind of interesting what internet things have endured, like Reddit, you know? Like you look at like the sort of platform of Reddit and it seems very kind of basic, you know? Yeah, in its design, very basic. Well behind the times, but it's, you know, Twitter. I think that Reddit works.

Keep naming them. What do I have to name things? There's Instagram, I guess there's TikTok. What do the kids do now? Yeah, what's TikTok, baby? I think that's what people like about Reddit though. I mean, and again, I don't really know. It's one of the things I like about Reddit

is it's just like it's not about, like the design of the page is very, very basic, but in a way it's kind of, it's great. It makes it easier to look for, because it's less about the page itself and more about what you can find on there and what people are posting. And so you're really just scrolling through posts.

But I like Reddit. I don't use it all that often, but it's pretty fun to just scroll through. Meg, you use Reddit. I do, I'm on Reddit. Yeah, and I go to the Sunny subreddit all the time and I engage on the Sunny subreddit. See, I don't know how to use it.

Like, I don't, it's easy. It's just like a message board, like you just hit reply and then you can type right in. You have to have a sign in, I guess. Yeah, I got into Reddit like a while ago. I guess that was when I was still working on community and we had like a massive subreddit on community and I convinced them to do an AMA, Ask Me Anything.

And that went like pretty big. So then, I don't know, I've just, but actually weirdly enough, separately, I took a photo once of my sister's now ex-husband's dog and posing underneath a painting of itself. The dog's name was Delmar and there's a picture I took of it posing underneath the painting of itself

and posted, put that on Twitter and somebody took it and put it up on Reddit and then that went viral. It got like millions of hits. What? Yeah, to the point where then as a joke, I got my sister a phone case that had this picture on it and she would get like stopped by people

and they were like, oh, I've seen that dog. So that was like my little viral moment, I guess, of something. When you're making comments on Reddit, do people know it's you? Yeah, because I have my username. And so, yeah, so like when the shipping thing happened, I went on Reddit and I was like, hey guys, like here's the thing.

I don't know what I'm doing. And I literally wrote that. I was like, I'm a comedy writer. I'm producing this podcast for the first time. So I'm not trying to rip you off. I just, I'm a human who makes mistakes and they actually responded to it like really well. And of course they were immediately,

because this is what happens whenever you respond to someone's outrage. They're all like, oh no, we love you. We're so sorry. That's exactly right. No, because if you're contrite and you're like, you're like, sorry, I'm just a person in the world. It's fine though, but like outrage, like,

you know, that's a specific thing, right? That's a sales thing, a pricing mistake. So that makes a little bit more sense to engage with a fan and then say, hey, sorry. But like, you know, for however many thousands of people write their comments on the internet, there's millions more that never do, right? So you might be addressing, you know,

the smallest percentage of outraged people who don't like your myth question, right? They'd be like, we hate this episode. We think it was terrible or, and then you take time. You almost like give too much credit to their outrage and then discredit all the other people who weren't outraged. Sometimes I feel like, you know,

like engaging in the comments or whatever is like, okay, if you did a performance on Broadway, the year is 1972, right? And then you put on a costume, went into the lobby and heard every single person's opinion about the play. That is not the gig. The gig is you come out, curtain goes up, you sing and dance, say lines, curtain goes down, you're done.

Maybe you shake someone's hand outside or sign an autograph, but the gig is not to then go person to person, tell me what you thought of the performance. What did you think of the performance? Are you happy? Oh, you're outraged? Oh my God, let me explain to you why this is this way. Like it's a-

Also if you've ever- It's not what the process should, it is. If you've ever sat in on a focus group, you know that if you ask people to have an opinion, they'll come up with one. And sometimes it's not their natural opinion, it's like that they wanna have a strong take on something. I imagine what Sunny would have been

if we poured through focus groups trying to make the show. Did you ever focus group this show? No, no, no. No, they never, I think they knew better than to try and do that. And FX is, I mean, I think, I don't know, do they do that with any of their shows? Or do they just trust their own tastes?

I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't ever do it. I think they did focus groups. It's probably not, yeah. Here's the part- I think there's a value to showing an audience something, right? Like you're cutting together a show or a movie and you screen it in front of an audience.

But that's for you. That's for you. That's so that you can gauge the reaction. And you feel the air go out of the room for destruction. You're like, oh, maybe I need to tighten this up or like. But it's also like, you know, when you see something that you made in front of an audience, even if you've been in the editing room for a year,

editing that thing, the first time you see it in front of an audience, whether you're gauging people's reactions or not, you're suddenly able to be a little bit more objective about it. I don't know what that is. I don't know. It's because just the awareness that other people are watching

it suddenly puts you in the same place as the audience. And you could see, you see things that you didn't notice even though you've been in the editing room for a year. I think that's an interesting phenomena. Like I've always felt that anytime I've ever watched something that I was involved in. Well, it's because if you're painting a picture, you know every stroke.

You know how that tree got made. And you're looking at the tree for all its parts, right? So you're like, oh, okay. The trunk, oh, I did that little bit of sunlight on the trunk. And so that's really making that seem more three dimensional. And then, but you haven't like hung it on a wall, walked around the block and then come in and looked at it

with a room full of people, you know, like, and then it's a different thing. Now you're looking at the painting for the experience of the painting itself as opposed to the process of making it. So there's like a, yeah, there's a weird removal. Did you guys do a focus group for- Mystic Quest? Mr. Quest?

No. Mr. Quest. I probably could have worked on that title a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. We actually could have benefited. What was the original title? Hero Quest.

And then we tried to clear 55 titles and the only one that would clear, well, there were two that cleared, Heroes Rain, spelled R-E-I-G-N, which was a weird confusing title because, and then Mythic Quest. Those are the only ones that- You tried Mystic Quest too at one point, didn't you? We tried everything.

Just hard to clear. I think you just have to make it that you have to, the curtain goes up and you have to sing and dance, the curtain goes down, and then it's everyone else's issue after that, right? Yeah, but don't you find that like, that's fine with a live performance, but like I got into doing comedy

because I wanted to hear people laugh at stuff that I made and wrote, and I'm not a performer, so I didn't want it to be on stage. So it is, like I find it really hard to resist looking at Twitter and Reddit and stuff about stuff that I've made because I want to know that it made somebody laugh, like way back in the day when I was living in New York and writing for The Onion, I used to like,

if I'd see somebody on the subway that was reading The Onion, I would like stand close to them, just in case I might hear them laugh at something. Of course, yeah, you're doing for the audience and you want them to enjoy it. But probably what's worse than seeing a bunch of bad comments about something that he did is seeing no comments.

That's true. No one talking about it. Like that's almost gross, or you're just like, oh, wow, I just made a thing and no one gave a shit. It can go either way. You can either get too caught up in everyone's negative comments, or too wrapped up in the positivity

that you then become, you lose your own objectivity about what you're doing. Yeah, that's the danger of it. Speaking of hard criticisms to take, in this episode, Dennis thinks he's a stallion, and there's a funny scene where Mac has to break the news to him that he is no longer a beefcake. Yeah, it's a very funny performance of yours,

because you really do perform it like, when you hear- I feel bad for you because you're not aware. Yeah, but the first, yes, exactly. You feel bad for him. But the very first reaction is also like, oh no, he doesn't know. Yeah, everybody in the room knows.

Everybody knows and he doesn't know. I thought he knew. I thought he knew he was in decline and now I'm gonna have to tell him. And you feel bad about it. Yeah, but it needs to be told. It needs to be said and in the clearest possible way. So that you don't continue to humiliate yourself.

In front of all these wonderful people. Yeah, yeah. I think it's very funny when your horrible characters are trying to be nice and kind to each other for like a minute and break out of that. I think that's always like a good- Well, like when Dee says, I'm gonna go do my own thing

because I know you're not gonna put me on this billboard. You know, we're all agreeing with her. Yeah. And it's not that we think we're being nice, but we're like, oh yeah, no, we would, no, you're absolutely right, right? You're absolutely right. We would never put you on that billboard.

Never ever. Yeah. Not you, no, oh my God. We don't even let her finish. She starts by saying, I know what you guys are gonna say and then we don't even let her finish saying it. We need to say it.

We say, yeah, we have to say it. We have to say it. Yeah, yeah. But it's all done under the auspices of like, you're right, you're right about everything that you're thinking, you're right. So in a way it's like we're like affirming something, but in the most negative possible way, which is fun.

I don't remember what that volleyball was that I was throwing at her face. I mean, it must have been foam. One of those like soft. It was like one of those like little, like super cheap rubber balls that you get, you know, that's like really light. I think it was foam.

Cause I think if I threw a rubber ball at her face that hard, it would just go like crazy. Not even a kickball. I mean, one of those like really thin, really thin layer of rubber balls. I think foam would have hurt more. I think that's really good. That was like the comedy of it was it bouncing so well.

That's also what makes me think that it was, it was one of those, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. You get it like a ball bit cheap, like super thin. Almost a balloon. Yeah. Yeah, almost a balloon.

Yes. So it's only slightly thicker than a balloon really. I think that's what it was. And they painted the volleyball lines on there. They drew or drew a mon or whatever. And then when you, and then that same, and then the volleyball that you have in Philly is like a totally, it doesn't have the black volleyball lines.

Like a totally different ball. Different props people. Yeah. Then you did a stunt, Glenn, of getting kicked in the nuts. Do you remember how they did that? Yeah, I just, I don't remember. So I remember I was, I thought like,

oh, I'll just wear a cup or whatever. And then we'll do a thing where you kick, you know that, cause that's kind of, I remember the move was to kick the inner thigh. Yeah. Make sure you don't, but I actually wore some sort of a, don't remember, but I do remember it was like some sort

of like a thing like that, that, you know, where my dick and balls were here and this thing was here. So that you could literally kick me right in the right spot. And it wouldn't ever quite hit, it wouldn't ever quite reach my, my balls, which were higher at the time than they are now. Couldn't do that now.

Couldn't do that now. You'd have to, yeah, I'd have to wear a real, I'd have to sag those pants real low. But actually, yeah, you could, so yeah, if you look at it though, you can see my pants are sagging like crazy cause I think I had them real low to accommodate whatever that.

The ball trap. Oh, the ball. Yeah, the ball saver. Are your balls lower than they're, they're lower than they used to be, aren't they? I have no idea. I have never measured the proximity. Yeah, I've been keeping track of it

like you do with your kid's height on the wall. I haven't noticed that. I haven't noticed that. This is lower and lower is the year. You guys don't do that? Do balls go lower? I didn't know about that. We also got to see you tear away pants in this

and expose some tighty. The same tighty whiteies that I think you were wearing when you were seducing Martin McFarland. Yeah, that's a high waisted thing. That's a high waisted thing. Yeah, it's pulled up a little too high. Wearing white socks, they're also pulled up real high. And you took a wide stance.

Yeah, I got myself into a slightly wider stance. It's good that we knew that that would be funny, right? That we weren't like, yeah, but he would want to wear, you know, something that he thought was sexier. Like that we were just like, it's just funny. He doesn't know, yeah, he doesn't know or he wasn't thinking about it

or he thinks he's so sexy that that doesn't even matter. Yeah. That is what it is. You know what, that is what it is. I loved America's Next Top Model. We both did. You and I watched it. I watched it every week.

We watched the entire first season of that show. Like I would come over to your place. The Tyra Banks? Tyra Banks? She's fierce. I loved it. It was great. It was amazing.

What'd you like about it? It was hilarious. Yeah, it was really funny. Tyra Banks is amazing. I just, it was one of those reality shows that I got into. For this, like I wasn't an American Idol. I never really watched that back in the day and it was on around the same time.

So I don't know. It was just, it was fascinating, a fascinating look into an industry I didn't understand. That's exactly right. It was fascinating. It was almost like, wow, I didn't know, you know, but it was also fun to watch them try to come up with different scenarios to put the models in

to make it a show. It was like, okay, and that's why we did the barn, that's why we did the barnyard thing. Cause we were like, that's what they would do on America's Next Top Model. They'd be like, you're a space alien. You know, they would just do this shit. It was like, and try to make it seem like

that's something that would ever happen to you. Like if you can't be a convincing barnyard animal, you're never going to make it as a model. And it's like, what? What are you talking about? Like, what's that to do with anything? It's just a competitive- If fucking Kate Moss ever had to be a donkey, probably not.

Probably not. No? You guys watching reality shows now? Or are you off reality shows? I dip in and out. I mean, there's an argument to be made that any professional sports program that you watch is a reality show.

I mean, it's the same idea. You're watching a competition amongst people. And the only reason you really care is the story behind it. And they were just really good at producing it. And me and my kids and Jill, like as a family, we watch America's Got Talent. So I've realized that some, there's some of those big competition shows

that are, they're a little bit, you don't feel like you're just kind of sitting and just like that. You know, if you're watching it as a family, it feels like an actual event. Feels like something that you're doing together. I like the survivalist ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're watching Alone? Alone I love. I haven't seen that yet. That's amazing. Netflix? Oh, it's great. It's on Netflix. And it, I think it was like a Nat Geo show.

And they basically dropped 10 people into like a really isolated environment, but they separate them all. And then it's a last man standing, or woman standing competition for who can survive in that place the longest. And they only get to bring like 10 items with them. It's really good.

People are impressive. Like the structures they build are. Yeah. Snowflake Mountain, did you watch it? No, but I saw the commercial for it. You did? Yeah. You had, you, I'm sure you had the same thought.

You were like, ah, I might have to watch this. And I did watch it. Cause I was in Ontario shooting the movie. So I had like more time to like just watch things at times, you know? And I watched that whole damn thing. It was basically, I took a bunch of like really rich and like super entitled, like young 20-somethings

or like late teens, early 20s. And basically told them that they were going to like a, this awesome resort to shoot like a reality show at this resort, you know? So they thought they were all gonna be like drinking and partying and in a house. With them through hell. And bickering and being in hot tubs and shit.

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there is a man standing near the sort of pole and the bar and he has a couple of lines and then he basically asks about how much money they're getting paid and then leaves. And you guys pointed out that that he recurs. That is the guy, yeah, that's the guy in PTSD. PTSD. PTSD.

Season 12. Yeah. So, as I recall at the time that we cast that guy, well, he gave a great audition. So we were like, oh, we really want this guy. And I think we realized we're like, oh, he's already been in an episode. He might have even said it.

I think something makes me think maybe he even said, I've already done one or something, but. But I think this makes sense. I think this makes sense. And we were like, yeah, it totally makes sense. Like there's a million bars in Philly. You know, he had this one experience where he tried to do a billboard thing or whatever.

And plenty of people have done multiple episodes and some people have done multiple characters. Yeah, yeah. But in my mind, he's playing the same, he's playing the same character who just doesn't remember that he's been there. Yeah, a kid and became a stripper. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was making money from the stripping. So that makes sense. He's consistent with his character. Yeah, exactly. He shows up when money is sent. It made sense. Yeah. Carter McIntyre.

He's really good. He's great in that little bit that he does in this episode. Yeah. And also cameoing is one of your actual cameras in this episode. Yes, that's what we shot the actual series on the DVX100A. The camera that Charlie is using. That was not the A.

It wasn't the B. I think that was the B. We were on the B. I think we were on the B. Yeah, so when I throw the volleyball in Caitlyn's face, when she's crazy patty, the camera that we're filming her with is the same exact cameras that we filmed the show on.

And if they don't look like giant, expensive cameras, it's because they're not. Stagger definition, 4.34 colon three. This is the aspect ratio. This was the last season that we did in 4.3. Yeah. Season five we did in 16.9, but still refused to go HD. I'm pointing at Charlie right now.

Oh yeah, because I didn't want to switch to HD. Season six, we went HD, although we got probably the cheapest HD cameras you could possibly get. Possibly because we didn't. Actually, I think that was the thought was we don't want it to look too drastically different, but we know we need to step into the modern era

by going HD because every TV was becoming HD then. So it was like, wow, this is gonna really, really start to look different and even worse than it did before. Pretty soon everyone's gonna have a contraption on their television that makes all television look awful. So we need to go ahead and like. Get into that. Make sure that it can look as awful as possible.

That's right. That's right. I don't understand how people can't see it. They can't see it. I was just. 90% of the population does not know that they're watching Automotion Plus. I was right.

90%. House and Rhode Island, they had that on their TV. And I couldn't, you know, there was no remote for the TV. There was a remote for like, just like. You could control the whole system, but you didn't have the actual television remote. To get into that modern fucking television. Yeah.

It's happened to me a couple of times where I've not figured out a turn off. But they must do focus groups on that. My guess is that because otherwise why would Sony or whoever's ever been in a TV show. Go ahead and focus groups for all sorts of things. I think when it comes to like a story, maybe not so much, but like.

Yeah. For whether or not television looks like absolute shit. No, but I mean, there's a reason why Sony is refused. They could very easily just get rid of that feature because they know everybody in Hollywood hates it because it's ruining their movies and TV shows. Just don't have that be the default setting. That's my thing.

I know, but my point is that they're, they must be using a data point to drive that decision to say people actually like this. They want it on their televisions. People like soap operas and that's what it makes everything look like. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So.

That's right. People must prefer it. Otherwise I don't know why they would make it as the default setting. It doesn't make any sense. No, I don't think we do things just because people prefer it. It's like.

You think there's something else going on? Yeah. I think it's too expensive for them to now go figure out. Like a, like somebody came up with a technology that people were like, oh wow. Yeah, when you watch baseball game, it is going to look, you know. Like, like there and on the field, right?

Where you play a video game or something. And then someone was like, oh, but it's ruining everything else. And they're like, yeah, but we already did it. It's going to be really expensive and time consuming to figure out how to make other stuff look good. Can't we just ruin everything? So people can watch the football game, you know?

Like, but they make a brand new TV every, you know, six weeks. Yeah, but they don't break through with technology every six weeks. So like, so I mean. They're making the TV smaller and thinner. I don't know. It's so bad. It's just so.

It's bad, really frustrating. Yeah. Just go into your settings and turn off auto motion plus. I've got a TV in my house where I have been through all the, there's a TV that I got like a year ago. Yes. And it's like.

You turned everything off and there's still like a hint of it. I have that too. It's still there. I turned every fucking setting off on that television that there is to turn off. And I've used it too much now to like, I can't. There's no, I can't go back. There's no going back.

There's no going back. You'll have to go into the one of the six or seven other rooms in your house that has a TV. Well, that's the problem, right? Because I'm like, I can't. Which room am I going to go into? Where am I going to? Yeah, which room has the best TV

with the least amount? That's where I'm going to spend my time. You know, we're going the wrong direction where if you're on an airplane and you're watching on the screen on the back of the seat, that screen, it looks better than your TV at home. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

You know, like that's, we've fucked up. We've, we've, we didn't fuck up. They fucked up. They fucked it up. They've gone too far. They've gone too far. They've ruined television. By the way, I finally saw Top Gun Maverick.

Hmm. Okay. Here we go. I loved it. But you know why, because you have a pulse. It's fan. Yes. Tastic.

Yes. I loved it. Yes. I think the whole movie, I was like, just like from start to finish. Like the second it starts and they, and they put that Top Gun song in, and they're like, don't give you everything you need.

Now imagine a year from now, you're getting to watch that at home the first time. And you're like, huh, why'd they, why'd they make it look like it's all just like fake CGI and bad? Well, they did it. They didn't. Your TV is ruining it.

Sony did. Sony did. Panasonic did. So does that mean you guys want me to stop publishing the podcast with Auto Motion Plus on it? God damn it. God damn it. We might have, we might have beaten Joe Rogan

if I hadn't done that. I think every- I don't think laptops have it, right? So if someone is watching this on their laptop or on their phone. Yeah, laptops still okay for now. For now. Somebody's gonna do it.

I bet you there's some fucking PC company that's already done it. And they're like, we got the ruining net. We have the ruining technology. We just installed it. We got it. We got it. We figured it out.

We can ruin movies on all your devices. We figured out how to ruin movie experience on all your devices. Yeah. God bless, huh?