The Always Sunny Podcast - Mac is a Serial Killer

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Hey Rob, calm down.

We're back! We're back, everybody. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. I guess it's just Glenn and Charlie. Charlie, how you doing, bud? I'm doing pretty good, Glenn. I'm doing pretty good. We're not together in the studio,

and unfortunately, we can't be together in the studio due to a major license, pinworm outbreak. Thanks to Rob McElhaney. He's at home. He's getting cleaned up and hosed down, but we've got worms. We're coming out of every... Inside, outside, there's worms everywhere,

all over his house. Unfortunately, we can't be around him. But that's only... The good news is that it should be completely cleared out of his system within a good eight to ten weeks. So, you know, you can only anticipate maybe 10, 15 of these zooms to be safe, and then hopefully the worms have eaten the lice,

and then we can attack the worms and clear it all up. We need, like, worms that kill other worms. You know what I mean? Like, you just send in, like, an army of worms to take out the other worms, you know? Is that a thing? Yeah, they got those camera worms.

Well, it should be. But what if they turn into ghost worms and ghost lice, and then we got to deal with all of those things? Yeah, that's the whole thing. Oh, my God. Think of all the bugs that we've killed and all the ghosts of bugs that are out there. You know, and if you were the type of person

who could see, you know, that type of thing, like, what is that? Like, not a paranormal, but like a psychic, I guess. Mm-hmm. Boy, just... I thought about that the other day, because, you know, we had the argument about ghosts and why you don't see a worm, a ghost of a worm.

And then, you know, as my mind tends to do, then later I have a counterargument with myself and started questioning, well, maybe ghost worms see ghost worms, and, you know, and humans only see it, but if you're a worm, you might see the ghost of a worm, you know? So it could be, you know, you're tapped into, you know,

whatever you're tapped into, because a worm doesn't even see us, do they? I don't know what a worm sees. Worm's blind, I think. I think a worm's blind. Anyways, we're back on the Sunny Podcast and talking about worms again. Okay, Mack is a serial killer.

I... loved this episode. I did, too. I loved it. I did, too. I loved it. I've always loved it, and I love it now. I want to say something on the record.

Like, I've enjoyed all these episodes. I know sometimes maybe the fans hear us being analytical, and they might mistake that for a dislike of the episode. I think that's us just trying to understand where we were, how we got to where we got to, and, you know, where we are today. So we can make the episodes as best as we can. But the more, as they go along,

I like the more and more the character dynamics. I mean, we really, and we're building out the world in this one in a great way with the moms and Max Dad, and Cricket. And Charlie is the lawyer. This is the first time we did the lawyer gag, I think. So great. And it's very funny.

It's great. Yeah, no, it's terrific. And I also love how you kind of slip into the whole Shelly the Machine Levine thing again. Whenever you put on the short sleeve button-down shirt and the tie, you sort of become Jack Lemon and Glenn Gary Glenn Ross doing that. Yeah, he likes to play adult.

Right, right. I mean, I love just the interview of Max Mom, like interrogating her. Oh, man, that's so good. Yeah, no, I absolutely love this episode. I thought it was great. I love, the lawyer stuff is so funny to me. Just you thinking that you've watched enough episodes

of Law and Order that you think you understand. You know the sort of the key phrases and terms and you feel like you could get in there and actually defend someone with that knowledge. And it's, yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's so stupid, but it's so funny. It's like a shtick, but it's a fun shtick. My favorite is the scene where you're talking to Max

and you're like, I got to get in there and done, done, done, done. And you just start doing the theme song. I'm singing the Law and Order theme song. It's so funny. It's very funny. Trying on his Dracar noir and then he senses it. He smells it. Yeah, did you guys ever, did you ever wear Dracar noir?

Was that, do you have any good cologne from your youth that you used to wear on? Oh yeah, absolutely. I had, I had, I really liked that Calvin Klein obsession. Sure. Sure. Yeah. That was my first cologne.

No, I think I smelled like Rite Garden or something. Yeah. Secret. I don't think I any, yeah. Just, just the Dracar noir references just so funny to me because it was, it's like a, it's a very specific thing, right? It's, it's to like the average person, it's like, it feels like a very expensive, very fancy cologne.

And yet, you know, it's like in every department store and it was like one of the most, you know, ubiquitous colognes out there. But, but to characters like our characters, we're like, whoa, like Dracar noir is like shit. There are certain things too that like catch on and become sort of just funny, like body acts or whatever. Like things that are like targeted for men and taken very seriously that seem very not serious

and are fun to make fun of. Glenn, you as the, to catch a predator guy. So funny. Oh, so funny. Yeah, Chris. Not so young and attractive, is she Mac? My favorite. So much like.

Are you here to see a young attractive woman or Sandy, a young attractive woman and then D comes out of the camera. You must be very disappointed. I loved it especially. You had so many good runs at D's expense this episode. The whole thing about like, he'd spend all day cutting you up. He'd never get the job done.

He'd get the job done. Is this the episode that we came up with calling D a bird? Well, because we call her Larry bird. We've talked about this a little bit. We did call her big bird in season two. When she's when she, when she had on the basketball suit. Yeah. When she had the basketball suit on where we're, yeah,

the pantsuit we, we referred to her as, as big bird. And I think that was the first time we referred to her as a bird. And then I think this was the one that set it off where it was like calling her a bird became like a thing. But yeah, I agree, Meg. I think some of that stuff, I don't think that stuff was really scripted. I remember on the day when we were shooting that we just kept building and building and building and just like at take after take,

it was different every single time. And it's kind of amazing because. How many people have I cut up? How many people have I murdered? How could be? Yeah, like, but like, I remember, I remember, I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty great actually how it feels scripted in the sense that it's so tight.

The back and forth is so tight, but I'm, I'm almost certain it was not, it was not scripted. And I love how Caitlin's jumping in there. It's so, it's also so funny to me that she is so concerned with being, with fitting. She's more, she would rather fit the profile of a serial killer's victim than, you know, not be considered a young attractive blonde. Like she would rather think of herself as someone who's in danger

of being murdered by a serial killer than to have us think that she's not a young attractive blonde. Like that is so, that's so fucking funny to me, man. Even just you in the bushes with a big puffy coat is funny. Just the fact that you had a puffiest coat. I've never seen you wear a coat like that before or after, but you got it for that scene. Yeah.

It was great. Yeah, it's great. That was a really funny back and forth with Pepper Jack, just how quickly he asks her about who she's with and how quickly he like assumes her. So that by the time you get out of the bushes, she's already his best toe and he's not like, it's just such a funny back and forth.

He was great. And, and when we went back to him this season to have him back, it must have been so bizarre for him. Yeah, no, you're right. To come in and do one scene as a character on a show, and then 14 years later be called back to play that same character. I mean, I remember he was, he was so, it was so great to see him because he was so excited to come back

and he was, you know, excited to step back into those shoes. And I remember I asked him, I was like, did you have to like watch the episode like a few times to remember the mannerisms and the, the way that he spoke and all that kind of stuff. And he, he studied all that. And it's a pleasure having him back. Such a sweet dude.

Do you guys remember the origins of this episode? Did it come out of like a law and order thing? Like that you were. I don't remember, but this is one of the first episodes. And we don't do too many episodes like this, but there's a certain style of comedy, right? Which is mistaken information where one character thinks they're talking about one thing, the other character thinks the character is talking

about something completely different. And the joke is basically coming from that, you know, it's almost like a sort of like a Neil Simon-esque technique or whatever it feels not dated, but it feels like a more old school in a way, you know. Yeah, it's very, it's very, very typical of a, of a farce, which, you know, we tend to be a little bit more satirical and less farcical, but.

Farcical, that's what it is. Yeah, I think it's great when we slip into that. I think it's, you know, if done well, you know, it's like you make a choice like that, you just kind of lean into it and you don't question it too much and you just kind of go with it. You know, characters talking at cross purposes, one person thinks that they're saying one thing

and the other person thinks they're saying something totally different. And I, you know, I kind of love that even though, and you know, even though we've talked about like how we don't, well, I guess Rob has talked about how he doesn't like it when we're spoofing things. We do spoof to catch a predator, which is an ancient show now, but I just, I love it. I think this episode is very clever.

Like we pack a lot of shit into the set. There's a lot packed into this episode. It's pretty jam packed with good stuff. I like how the scene is shot of you chasing after Mary Elizabeth. Uh, with Caitlin. And if my memory serves me correctly, actually Matt Shackman shot that scene. It was, I think it was Jerry Levine's episode.

But I think because we were in Philly and Jerry couldn't come to Philly, Matt picked up that. I think you may be walking back on the streets. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. I think he shot the Philly stuff because we, Jerry wasn't able to come to Philly for some reason.

Um, and that's one of the first times where we had, we had you actually like considering possibly killing someone. That is so funny. And like, I mean, at the time being like, wait, is this too far for the character? And nothing would seem to be too far. Like the further we could get, we would just chase down those roads for everybody.

Yeah. That's what we were learning, right? In this, in this season, as, as we were, as we've talked about many times on the podcast, like how we were pushing things in this season to see how far we could go. And, you know, this was one of those things where it was like, well, what if, what if he really does start fantasizing about killing this, this, this woman, killing the waitress and, uh,

it's your disappointment when you have to, when you realize what you're not actually going to do that. That's so funny. Yeah. Forget forgetting that we're not actually killing her that we're just, we're just, we're just going through all the steps that lead up to the killing. And then being, yeah.

And being, and having to switch gears. Okay. Yes. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. Right. We're not, yeah. No, of course. Back to the real world. Then there's some disappointment in that. Yeah. Still not being able to totally let it go.

Being like, you know, just being like, it'd be better if we could, if I could actually, uh, you know, but yeah, no, you're right. Yeah. The hands of going out to strangle her. But no, you're right. You're right. No, we're not going to, yeah. Um, I also love, I love the twist. I love, I love the, uh, I don't think you see the Gary thing coming at all.

I don't think you see that coming at all. It just comes off like a, you know, a, a schlub that, uh, that sweet D is taking advantage of. And, um, you know, I also love that we put the question to him about the gardening shears of like, do you, do you think this would cut through bone and his answer, the way he answers it, the way I think you interpreted it as the audience. The first time you're seeing it is like, uh, I, I guess like,

why would someone ask me that? Right? Is the subtext of that when really his subtext is like, Oh, I have to be careful how I answer this cause I know the answer to this. Yeah. Or like, do they know something about me and how do they know it? Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But by the way, jumping, jumping to the end, uh, like your reaction, you know, your, your joy at having won the case and then going to get a beer.

And then I remember when we were shooting that like it was one of those things where like, I, I, I don't know if we, I don't, maybe, maybe when we were, cause we always, you know, when we do our three man rewrite of every episode, we're always acting this stuff out. And I do think that I do, I, I think that I knew you were going to do something like that and getting to watch you actually do it in the episode was such a joy. Like that, that the whole like, uh, you know, the, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it might be a beer back there,

but I'm not going to go looking for it. Yeah. I think, um, I think when we, I don't know if you remember this, but, but, uh, when we got there on the day to shoot that and they filled that fridge with heads, it was all, it was all like male heads. There was like maybe one woman and it was all dudes. And it was like, it was like, I think they were wrong where they, they looked terrible. Were they not covered in frost? We frosted them up, right? So, uh,

I do, I'm not sure about that. Um, I do remember however that, that it was it should have just been a fridge full of heads of young blond women. Cause we had established that it was young blonde women. Yeah. Right. But instead it was like over. It was a variety pack of, of, well, those are the ones they found. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. people were concerned when they were missing, you know, like he popped off a few sort of drifters as well and that's a good explanation. Yeah, I mean, I do think that's actually the

case when when things like that happen, which is like, you know, I think those people sort of test their skills first on people that won't, you know, won't draw attention and then why am I laughing? I don't know. I don't want to know. I've always thought that the reason he was killing blonde women was because he couldn't have D and there were some reason like because he clearly is really infatuated with her. Did you guys mean that that like he actually was killing blonde women because he was obsessed with D? I don't think we ever pictured anyone really wanting to. That's sort of part of the lore of the show. It is really, it is really, it is very, it is very fun. Right. It is very

fun to like, oh, hey, man. No way. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This is terrible. All joking aside, I'm so sorry. Your, your, your time is, my time is not more valuable than yours. We agreed to this time. I fucked it up. I'm late. I did my best. As you can see, I'm like sweating and I'm, I'm shitsing, but I, I'm so sorry to you. I'm so sorry to Megan. I'm so sorry to the audience. I fucked it up. Well, also your, your mic is not, is not being used. I literally just turned this on and was like, okay, how quickly can I get into this? Okay. So we'll just scrap that. Yeah. Let's not even bother. Don't even bother to set it up. We'll do it. Yeah. Don't worry

about it, man. Just leave it. It's not going to work. We're off. We'll do it later. Nope. Your mic's off. I'm going to leave all this in the cut. It's just me apologizing for me fucking up. Just leave it. It's fine. We can hear you. Yeah, but it's not coming through that mic. So it's fine, but just move it out of the way and we'll just, we'll just take it through the audio that next time, baby, you're going to have plenty of chances. It's okay. Hey, Rob. Okay. Rob. Yes. Yes. Calm down. Yes. Calm down. Take a deep, take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. Grab a piece of ice or something. Rub it all over your face and your body and just, there you go. You getting the ice right now? Look at my

face. Look at my nose is getting red again and I haven't had any alcohol. So now I think we're realizing that when I overheat, my nose just gets, I don't know. Either that or you're drinking now during the day. Oh, what is that? Are you sure you're not drinking? Vodka? Vodka? Could it be vodka? He got a whole thing of vodka, the nose nose. Vodka. The nose nose. The bummer of it is, is that I feel like we've been going over so many great highlights of this episode. Did you get a chance to watch it? I did and I loved it. It's okay. We were good. It's a good, it's good, right? What we haven't gotten into in this episode is Mac and how good Mac is in this episode. And you know, you do a gear in this episode that

you do in Mac's banging Dennis's mom or you have this secret that you don't want anyone to know and you play it really funny. You have this thing where you like sort of repeat people's sentences when they speak to you. It's like, you like, they'll be like, Hey, Mac, how are you doing? You be like, how are you doing? Like, are some guy that you do that's really funny? I don't know. But I think you do it in these two episodes and then we never did it again. But it's, it's a good gear. We should go back to it. We should, we should get you hiding something. Yeah, it's also, it's also, it's also funny, like, I mean, again, you know, we're always talking about the characters just complete

and total obliviousness. But one of my favorite lines ever of yours is in this episode when you're talking to Carmen and, you know, she's saying, why, I feel like you don't want to be seen with me. And you're like, no, I don't mind being seen with you. I just, you know, whatever. But like, but the line is that that's the, just one of my favorite lines of yours ever is, I'm not, I'm not ashamed of you. I'm ashamed of myself. Yes. And that's supposed to make you feel better. It's a good blow. Right. It's just a great example of saying something that you think is like, you think you're saying, you're thinking like, no, you're, you're, you're, you're,

I'm not ashamed of you. I'm ashamed of myself. You're great. You're great. It's just that I'm ashamed of being with you. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Which is just, again, that's us just leaning all the way into it as far as we could. Yeah. Always making the joke about these pieces of shit. Yeah. Yeah. See, I really like the moment where you bring the wine coolers and then she's like, did you bring the condoms and you're like, not really into the whole condom thing.

Yeah. There's so, there's so many great moments in this episode where characters are, are, are, are, we're doing the thing that we do talk about where we're on the same page overall, but undercutting each other along the way and disagreeing on the details, you know, you know, just, just through the whole episode, you know what I mean? Just like, you know, like. Was this the first episode we see Max Bedroom? Because it's just, it's just, it's just, just like, you know, like. Was this the first episode we see Max Bedroom? Because of the joke where, when Frank walks in where he goes, like, what's the, what's the decor in

here? What's the vibe in here? What's he going for? There's a cell? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like this is the first time. And that, that's actually, you know, the more astute creep will pick up on the fact that, that does not look like Max Bedroom because it wasn't. It was actually Dennis's bedroom that was, but we had that year for whatever reason, we didn't build your bedroom.

We just thought like, oh, we'll just redress Dennis's bedroom and make it look like Max Bedroom. So the orientation of that room, where the door is, where the bed is, it doesn't track with, with what we've said your room looks like now. I don't know why we didn't then build your room to look like that. That would have made more sense. I think it was like a stage space thing or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's always money. It always comes down to money. We didn't have the money to do it right, basically. It's both money and experience on our part, right? To say like someone's cutting corners

on our behalf, but like the three of us didn't know to say, hey, let's not cut that particular corner. Go ahead and cut some other corner, but that one matters to us. You know, we're Yeah. That just comes with experience. Yeah. Did you guys notice, I don't know if you talked about this already, that there's music, there's ambient music that's playing in the background of the scene in the hardware store that we're essentially saying is playing in the background, is actually playing in the store. That would

be source and it is now score that we use as transitional music and actually we use it quite often. Yeah. That was the first time we'd ever used that song. It was as source music for the listener or creep out there who doesn't know that. I think you'd explained it, but yeah, source. When you put source music in, that means you're putting music in that's actually playing, that's actually supposed to be in the scene with the characters. Yeah. It's coming from a car radio, a speaker at a restaurant. As opposed to score, which the characters don't hear because that's score. But I didn't

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Or maybe we had and we just didn't care. I don't know. We were like, oh, maybe it can be both. Oh, I wouldn't put it past us to have used it as score and then just used it as source because it was the only thing that fit that we liked and we didn't want to spend a bunch of time on it. Yeah. Yeah, for money. What about Pepperjack?

We did mention it, but we haven't gone into in depth into it. Yeah, he's amazing. This is the first mention of Larry Bird. We've already talked about that. We have, yes, the second mention, though, of Dee being a bird, first being calling her Big Bird in the basketball episode, but then this one, first time we called her Larry Bird. And then I think that's where it took, right? Then she became, then we just started calling her Bird after that, right? Yeah.

I don't remember. There's such a weird delay. There's a weird delay in, and I don't know if it's, if it's because we're waiting for each other to speak or if there's actually just a delay, but I, I'm like, there's like a full second after somebody speaks to where somebody else speaks and it's really fucking up the rhythm. Is anybody else feel on that? Or am I just coming in and fucking up a rhythm that you guys created and it was working? I know. I won't say we were like on fire. That, we had to think about it though. That was just.

Okay, okay. That was thinking. I was going to pause for a full three seconds and I was really hoping that you would do the same thing. Just like fake freezing. Well, there was like an 18 minute delay in you showing up, Rob. Yeah. 18 minute drag.

We felt that. Yeah. We sure felt that. And then we've repeated some things here. So that's part of it, like an echo. I'm sorry. I don't know. Megan, didn't you have some, didn't you have some questions for us? Did you want to prompt us on anything?

I did have some questions for you. One is, have you ever dated anyone that you kept from your like friends and family, like didn't want anyone to know about? Yeah. You have? You have? Well, I mean, not since I've been married. She said like it's the most lascivious thing ever. But what was the details? What were you ashamed of?

I was ashamed. Can you not say? Well, it was, it was weird to me. You know, this was something that came, I think a little bit later in my dating life where if I was dating somebody, but it wasn't like my girlfriend and it was like serious, I kind of kept it separate from the rest of my life because it felt weird. You guys always had those friends, right? Who were just, you were just like every single time you hung out with them, they were like dating a new person and you're like, oh, okay.

And they're like, yeah, this is so and so. And you're like, oh, okay. I thought what happened to, what happened to, you know, like, oh, no, I'm dating, I'm dating this person now. You know, and you're just like, okay, do you have to introduce me to every motherfucker that you date? Like really? Seriously? You're going to fucking bring, like always bringing like, like it brings an energy to like a get together or a party that like kind of can throw shit off. If it's like, if you don't know for sure that that person's going to click with your group

of friends or whatever, but like, you know, I don't know. So I kept it separate a lot actually. Sadly, keep it separated, man. You got to, well, I, I kept the fact that I was dating my spouse. She was not my spouse at the time, but I was dating my co-star from you guys. So maybe that would count. Yeah, that counts. Sure. That's a big deal. It's idiot. It's crazy that I didn't see it. It's, it's fucking crazy because she used to, she would, she would, we'd be in our apartment and she would be like, I'm just going to go to sleep on the, you know, we had, we built that big, like that big mattress platform

thing that we could watch movies on and shit. She'd just like pass out on that. And then I'd wake up next morning and you know, she was there. And I was just like, yeah, we were counting on the fact that you're always just doing your own thing. Yeah, you were just focused on what you were doing. And we were like, Glenn's not going to notice shit. Trust me, it's all good. You were totally right. I did not notice shit. Yeah. Uh, that's one, yeah. I don't feel like you needed to keep sacred, but I, I understand

the But actually for the same reason that Glenn, but that Glenn brought up, which is that if it didn't work out and that I think we were even mature enough at the time to recognize like, look, if this doesn't work out, we don't want it to ruin the dynamic of the TV show because the TV show is working and we can keep a professional and personal sort of separate. So if we brought you into it and it, and then it kind of fell apart, it would might just be weird. And I think that was a huge part of it too. Yeah, totally.

I don't think I ever kept a relationship secret. They were hard to get. So if I got one, you know, everybody knew. And, uh, and then I've been in one for, I don't know, 55, 60 years now. A good long stretch. So Does anybody keep anything to themselves anymore? Because it feels as though No, I don't want to be the old man out here in the podcast space bitching about the next generation because it's not the next generation. It's everybody. It's everybody of our generation. It's every our parents generation below. Everybody is just, they're not holding anything back

at any point. Everybody needs to be expressing themselves at all times and they need to feel hurt at all times and it doesn't matter if, if maybe it's something so private that you could just maybe navigate that yourself. You don't need to bring that out into the world and be heard at all times. I know that oftentimes I'm a real piece of shit. And if I express myself and I'm in those moods, I is publicly, I immediately, maybe the four or five times I've done it, I'm like, Oh, that was so stupid. That's not me. That's not representative of who I am. Do you feel that way? It doesn't represent me.

Present me. But because I felt the need to tell everybody everything in this exact moment and I have access to everybody at every moment, I fucked it up. I definitely don't tend to overshare in that way. Probably for the same reasons that you're, you know, you don't, it seems weird to me. I mean, and it's not, you know, I have no problem sharing things and being very authentic and honest about what's going on. I mean, I think we've, we've hit moments like that often on this podcast where, you know, we get very, we stop down and we get very real and we're not making jokes and shit and we're

just, you know, talking about real stuff. But, but yeah, I don't feel the need to share every aspect of my life with, with everyone. And then, you know, to be clear, it wasn't that I ever kept a relationship a secret. I never, I never like purposely was like, Oh, I can't let anyone know. It was just, I kept them separate. It was more like I kept them separate. I kept those things separate. It was like, I had my group of friends and then I had someone that I was dating and, you know, and I don't know about this person yet. And I'm sure I want to like cross that bridge of bringing them into my friends, which you probably prioritized at that time of your life. And it's, you know, look, I'm deeply

uncomfortable sharing stuff. I rarely like post anything on the internet. I'm not on Twitter. I don't know why I guess I could kind of do some work on that. But I don't think I know why it's because you're, you're, you're a private person. And I think that's very normal to be a private person. And, and, and, and also like it does color, you know, if too much of your life is out there for everyone to know about and see, you know, it colors their perception of you every time you play a character. I mean, I agree with that. Look, I think also Glenn, you and I, I know specifically got into this because we had a love for acting and we had a love for a very certain style of acting, which

I don't know if it exists anymore, but like, you know, we were idolizing those sort of 70s, you know, iconic actors that some were method, some weren't method, but that the acting was the most paramount thing in their life. And you didn't know much about them personally so that every time they appeared on screen, you were like, Oh man, I'm going to get to see fill in the blank. Daniel Day Lewis, you know, where it's, you know, kind of nothing about, but you want to go see him in the theater or Joaquin Phoenix or somebody. I don't like this. A line has blurred so much, you know, between being a celebrity and being a like a personality, you know, like, we kind of, we've, we touched on this a little bit

last time when we were talking about the whole like Paris Hilton thing. And I was, you know, jokingly, half jokingly saying that I find that whole thing disgusting, but, but like I just have, I've always been very uncomfortable with the idea of being famous. Now, I would like to draw a distinction between, you know, just being sort of a celebrity in general and being someone for whom your work means something to them, right? So like, I absolutely love it when somebody who's a big fan of Sunny or anything that I've done comes up and it's like, Hey man, I really like your work. That feels good to me. I'm like, this person enjoyed my work. That's what I wanted to, that's what I always wanted to put out into the world.

I never wanted to be a personality. I never wanted to be like a celebrity or whatever. I just, I just, you know, wanted to do good work and you know, when that's appreciated, it's great. But like, you know, to be famous for, I don't know, like whatever people get famous for these days that, that's not, Well, there is, yeah, there's a different point with fame where it, it really can become like, um, you know, you look at like Pete Davidson, who I like so much. I've worked with him and, and he's funny. He's a great guy. And I think he's funny and talented. You start dating Kim Kardashian and the eyes of the world are on you and you're in a different

level of fame. And how does that affect people when you show up in a movie? Hard to say, you know, but in terms of like, in terms of like sunny fans coming up to us, it's great. Like I love people knowing the show and I like when people come up to me and say that they like the show. And I kind of want to go back to something I said two episodes ago where Megan, you were asking about us about memes and I made a joke that it was memeing a list of me or whatever. The truth is I love it. Like when I read memes, I fucking laugh my ass off because they're all hilarious. I love that anytime someone wants to refer to someone is insane. They put up a picture of me in front of the corkboard. Like that's

like one of the best things that's ever happened to me in my life. Yeah. So any conspiracy theory is, is like, is often the meme is often you from that episode. Yeah. Yeah. But I also don't want to just constantly be on the internet telling people what I'm eating for breakfast. And, uh, and I, and I'm really grateful that we don't get like chased around by paparazzi, which, you know, we all know people who are like that and it's, it's tough on their, on them, you know, it's a crazy life. I would really struggle with that. I can tell you that right now. It's terrifying to me. It's this weird thing where like, but you also recognize that celebrity has, it has value in helping you to get the kind of gigs that you want as an actor,

right? So if you mean something to people, if you are a celebrity, if you're big enough celebrity and you have a big enough following or like fan base or whatever, uh, you're more likely to get those big roles that you want. The moment in time that you're, you're referring to Charlie, which was yes, the 70s and 80s, but it was really like a hundred years of popular culture, um, that we were at the tail end of where you were making connections with characters in movies and or television shows and you were identifying with them and you were making those connections and they were bringing you a different perspective of life. They were bringing you joy. They were bringing you sadness. They were bringing you a full range of human experience

and you had a connection to those characters. And I think what's happening now or has been happening for the last 15, 20 years and very acutely now is that I think people's connections to characters has changed in so far as we are now, for example, giving access to people in a way that that we hadn't in the past. We've only done it through the work, but this would be an example of the podcast itself where we're giving access to people in a way that we haven't done before. It's actually us and you'll, I think that's a huge part of why social media is such a huge, uh, such a huge part of our culture now is because people are getting past that artifice and they're having now a connection with you as you are. Now, whether or not we're

willing to give that to them is the, that's the scary line, right? But, but I think it's still the same in so far as it's people seeking to identify with another human being, a character or a real person, but someone who brings a little bit more light to their life. Yeah, I think that it boils down to like what, what do you want personally in terms of like, what do you want to give? Not like what are you capable of giving, but like what, what do you want to give? Like, um, I'm finding this to be a good experience just because of connecting with you guys and I'm glad that it's reaching an audience and connecting them too. Um, the thing that turns me on the most just as a person is making, so let me use a hoity-toity word,

but making a piece of art, right? Like, uh, making an episode of the show, making a movie, like really kind of creating and making a thing, which is not me in my life, but that's pretty much all I care about. Like that's just my passion in life. That's what, that's what excites me. That's what I feel like gives me meaning and purpose. Uh, so it's interesting trying to, but it's a balance, right? Cause I also know, okay, if I go do that, if I go do whatever, horrible bosses or I want you back, there's an expectation from the studio that I also sell the movie by selling myself, right? So like go on a talk show, go be you, you know, like go on a show where you eat increasingly hot, hot sauce, which I think when I went on, I remember

being kind of in a grumpy movie like, wait, where am I? What am I doing? And then of course, I'm doing a hot sauce show now. What the fuck happened? I know. And now it's like one of my favorite things I never did a hot sauce show. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, it's just whatever you're whatever your artistic line is, right? I mean, like, what's the line for you as a, as a fan of Glenn, as a fan of Glenn, I recognize, I can see in his camera that he is staying in a hotel room. There's a part of me that wants to know how many times today, or since you got to the hotel room, have you masturbated? I want to know. Now I want to know that as your friend, I want to know that as a fan of yours, because I find it funny. I'm picturing you landing and being like, I haven't

been away from my family in like a year and a half. I'm going to lock this door and I'm going to beat my dick like it owes me money. And I'm going to do it for like a like a solid three out. Yeah, I like to think a couple, I'm a stripper, at least three or four layers of skin off this thing. Yes, you know what I mean? Like now I'm going to be people banging on its hotel wall, being like, Are you okay in there? Is everything okay? I hear a lot of screaming. There's so much screaming. How many people are in there? It's just one. It's just one, but I'm an actor. Don't worry about it. It's fine. I play all the characters. I'm getting into character. It's like an Eddie Murphy thing every time I masturbate. All right, just let me do my thing. Leave me alone.

Don't talk right now. Not now. Don't talk to me now. So I can understand the desire from a person out there in the world like I want to I think that would be amazing if I'm listening to smart less and I and and and Jason were to check himself into a hotel room and he started would start talking about that I would find it absolutely fascinating and probably hilarious. But there's also a weird connection because anybody that's alone or have been alone or away from people for the first time in a long time knows exactly what that feeling is like. But we don't talk about it a lot in public because it's either based or private or whatever. I get that too. And I also understand why you wouldn't want to tweet

that out to the world. But yet I still love the year. Yeah, sure. I mean, that's why you built a whole separate little house for yourself, right? So that you could just say that's why you were so sweaty in 18 minutes like this. This is not for sweat. Oh, no. For the listener, I'm always holding up a dark. Oh, I thought it was a raccoon. It's dry. It's dry. Well, it's dry now. I think Megan almost threw up. Yeah, there's been look, look, I spend a lot of time down here. I'm a human being. Yeah, of course. From time to time, I find me time for myself. Needs and a high speed internet connection. Somebody brought to my attention and I don't want to I don't want to kick horses while they're down

but the Johnny Depp and Amber heard thing like apparently in their trial, somebody had pooped in the bed and that and they were talking about like who pooped the bed and sunny fans were delighted by this. Of course, like it is a strange it is a strange reaction to something to be like, I'm gonna shit in bed in the fucking bed. I'm gonna shit the bed. How do you like me now? I shit the bed. Oh, wait, wait, was it done on purpose? I have not been reading. I've not been reading. Someone just told me about this and I'm like, yeah. Oh, I think it was a vengeful. I thought it was a vengeful act. Oh, vengeful act. Oh, gosh. I believe so. I believe you can probably measure the poop for the levels of stress. Yeah, there's rings. There's rings. Yeah. If it's

a high stress excretion, then it's going to come out in a blast. It's going to come out wet and it's going to come out fast. Yeah, poop with intent. Again, I feel like I'm boring. I'm not only boring sexually. I'm boring with like my revenge schemes. That would never occur to me. Have you been doing a lot of revenge? I mean, I dabble in it. I dabble in it, but not to the not to that extent. Yeah. Yeah. I think I sort of go, you know, with the old and I for an eye, you know, makes the whole world blind thing. You know what I mean? Charlie is very sweetly and casually saying, Charlie, very earnestly, I'm not big on revenge. Yeah. And I believe I would say I don't dabble in revenge. I was just making a crack. I'm trying

to think if, if I, I think there are consequences, meaning like there, I think there are natural consequences to treating me a certain way, but I wouldn't call that revenge. That's not revenge, though. But here's what, here's what freaks me out about revenge. I'm too scared that the person will then take it another step even further. Exactly. You know what I mean? That it's like, oh, someone did something to you. And then you're like, okay, great. I'm going to poop in a box and mail to them. And then they're like going to poop in a box for the rest of my life and mail to me. I'm like, no way. I don't want to. You get into that with the wrong person. And boy, yeah, some people are better at revenge than others for sure. Yeah. And they'll, they'll just keep

going. Yeah. I think my issue with revenge is that I once I can get zero to a 10 very quickly, as we all can to a certain extent, but then I'm in the moment. I can see me doing something irrational, but, but 15 minutes later or 20 minutes later, I feel like I can calm, calm down. And then the idea of some level of retribution for whatever happened would not occur to me. I don't think, Meg, you spent a lot of time with me. Have you noticed that it might that you've been revengeful? No, you're so like good at confrontation in the moment that I don't ever see you like waiting for later to like, like you would just say it, you know, outright, like I always say that my favorite part about working, well, with any of you guys in the,

in the writer's room is that I've worked for some show runners that I can tell, like, I pitched something that they don't like, and they do this like whole song and dance of like letting me down gently by like, Oh yeah, that's interesting. Let's consider that idea. But you guys are great. Cause you'll just be like, nah, that's not it. And then just move on. And I kind of appreciate that because like the, the, the, there's something patronizing about like needing to let me down gently as opposed to just like being confrontational and be like, no, that's not it. Because there's an assumption there that I'll come up with a better idea if you just tell me you don't like that one. So I, I prefer that, which is like, just throw out the parts. Like,

I remember pitching the gang replaces D with a monkey to you guys. And like the first time that I was pitching it, like, I think there was a whole different story. And then the monkey was just like a very small part of it. You guys were like, well, we like the monkey, but like basically get rid of the rest of it. And then I was like, cool. And that was, and as I recall, that was coming on the heels of, of another conversation about something else where we were talking about something being too broad. And we were like, we don't want to tip into too broad. And then we left to go do something else. We came back, you pitched us a story and you very reticently were like, okay, and there's a point at which we possibly replaced D with a monkey.

And, and you were like, like, just waiting for the like, that's fucking crazy. But instead we were like, well, now hang on a second. What a whole thing was the monkey. You know what I mean? In this season, there is sort of a joyful like silliness to some of the stuff that we might not approach anymore, which season three. Yeah, which I'm finding works better than I thought where I'm like, oh, this is whatever. We're just we're interrogating Max mom and with the headphones and the mic and it's just fine. The chainsaw thing that you want, Frank, to take your picture with the chainsaw and not like tongue things. The little bow you put on your mom's head or whatever, we'd probably still do that. But that's just so fucking fun. But that's not a communication.

We've had that form of communication since the beginning. And I think that that really is born out of respect. You're creating a room full of people and everybody the assumption is everybody deserves to be there because they've earned earned it. And now if there's an idea that comes up that that that isn't good enough, it's not like you're taking someone's whole self of self worth and saying, no, you're you're not only are you wrong, but you're incapable. It's more just like no, the idea didn't work, but you're not identifying the idea with your ego. You're just saying, no, great, that didn't work. Move on. So yeah, it's like born out of respect. And I think that was something we've always done, isn't it? Like I would never never like have someone

pitch us something like that's so stupid, you idiot, you know, like that's not but we also like we wouldn't like put on kid gloves and be like, that's a really good idea. Let's think about it. We'd be like, nah, that doesn't that doesn't feel right. What else? And then just keep going. Yeah. Yeah, keep going. And we do that to each other constantly. Yeah. Danny line again, you said, uh, nah, nah, what's the thing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, not that. Yeah, not that. Yeah, something like that, but not that. Were you guys into true crime stuff at all? Like, do you ever, because this episode's all about like kind of like true crime type serial killer stuff. Do you guys ever get into that?

I'm into that to a certain extent, but, but I definitely know that's more of a female thing. Like all the women in my life are super into that like 2020 and date line and stories of women being dismembered and murdered for some reason appeal to I don't know is that you think you're getting tricks as to how you're going to evade the killer. But I also noticed that Caitlyn, even in the ones where it's like killer women, I'm like, Oh, I get this. I understand. She was physically or emotionally abused and she took, she took revenge and poisoned her husband and killed him. And Caitlyn's like, I don't care for that. Which ones are the ones you want to watch? And she's like, I don't know. Like the, like the woman's been gone for 20 years and what

happened to her? We don't know. That's so fucked up. What is that? Right. I think, I think it's because like, at least I watched them and it's like, it's both yes, like you pick up, it's like things you're afraid of. So then you watch it and you're like, okay, well, like no to never do this thing. But also I like feeling superior to the victims because there's always a moment where I'm like, well, I wouldn't have done that. And therefore I wouldn't have died that way. So I have like a bit. Cut that, cut that, cut that. Wait a second. Don't cut that. Don't cut that. Megan Gans. Glane's superior to victims. She's, she's learning. She's learning. Well, you're learning. You're learning. You're like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know. No, I get that from a primal

like, I get that primally, which is like, it's all survival of the fittest. And you're saying, Oh, I don't want to be murdered. I would never have made that mistake. Therefore I'm safe. I wouldn't be murdered. Yes. That's right. I like the detective aspect of it. Like, like, if you listen to serial, you've got to kind of play detective, right? You got, you started to like get all the suspect. But then I always hit a moment where I'm like, Oh man, this is somebody's real life. Like somebody's somebody's dad and somebody's like kid is dead. Like what the fuck? You know, like this is not my, we made a joke about this later in the season where we said like murder is the new like, like chips, right? This is not just chips for me to snack on. This is like somebody's

fucking life. It's awful. But also, also, it's compelling, right? Cause we're terrified. Well, tell your story faster. Tell it faster. You shouldn't, you know what I mean? Like serial was one of those things where I was like, Oh my God, this is like absolutely fascinating, fascinating for about three episodes. And then I'm like, All right, get to it. Fucking wrap this shit up. You fucking jerks. It was the same way with, you know, making a murder or whatever. It was like, you know, I just have, I can't stand it when people tell me a fucking two hour long story in 10 hours. I'm like, just fucking drives me crazy, man. So now if I see like a true crime series or whatever, like a thing that's like, Oh, it's going to, the story is going to unfold over

even four episodes. If it takes you four episodes, even that's too much for me. I'm like, I'll do two, I'll do two, two one hour episodes. That's how much fucking time you've got to tell me this story. Otherwise I'm out. I'm out because unlike the victim, you have a life to live. You know, you've got stuff to do. Oh God. Damn Megan. Jesus Christ. I was talking about masturbating for like so long, but I whatever. Well, no one dies when that happens. Not usually. In the patriarchy, in the patriarchy, we talk about masturbation. In the matriarchy, you guys are conceiving very rich webs of revenge and this is terrifying. Listeners, creeps and listeners, be afraid of the matriarchy because like all we want to do is just like talk about like our dicks and

masturbation. Like women are out the kill. I wonder what percentage of our audience just masturbates to the podcast. You know, there's probably like like one person, right? At least should we give somebody, should we give them something? Should we take our shirts off? No, like, yeah, like, no, it's like, you know, every time you say like the letter S or P or like you, you know, that kind of weird shit. What? Yeah. I don't know. It's okay. There's got to be one, one person out there, right? What? With a, with a kink. Can I ask you guys a question on the background? David Hornsby once shared a video that somebody sent to him of I think two guys having sex and in the background was a good girls episode that he was in.

Just like, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. How did he get this video? I don't know, but he sent it to me like a while ago. It was so funny because like the guys were like really going at it. You didn't ask him how he got, how he found this video. Like it was like homemade porn that someone put on the internet and Hornsby was in the back of the shot. Yeah, yeah, it was great. I don't know how he, yeah, I should ask him how he got it. We've discussed my erotic tales for on this podcast before, right? We did, right? We covered that? No, not on the podcast. No. Uh-huh. You guys know the story, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, it's been, it's been a very long time since, since we've talked about it.

I was one of my first, so I had an agent, like a real agent, and they were sending me on things. I remember I auditioned for like Wet Hot American Summer and like got a couple of callbacks and, and I think I was in the same casting office and they had another audition and it was a short film, short movie. It was called Angela and it was starring Victor Argo or whatever. And basically my role was just, there were two guys sitting in a bar having a conversation about sex. Like they had hooked up with some girl and Victor Argo is overhearing their conversation and he's sort of depressed about being past his sexual prime. And by the way, I don't even have the bulk of the dialogue. I think I'm just the guy who'd be like, uh-huh. Oh, wow, man. Like,

that's like my part. And I remember, and the director's name was like Amos Kallak or something like that. Israeli director, I think. And I get the part and I go down the set, we're filming it, shot on film. And boy, this guy is up my ass. Like tons of notes. Like he's just hating my performance. I'm like, man, I'm just sitting here going, uh-huh. Yeah. I can't make this guy happy. Uh, but it's whatever. I shoot the couple hours. They let me go. Never hear about it. Movie kind of disappears. And then like a year or two or maybe even longer, it might have been like five years later, it shows up on my IMDB as erotic tales for summer of my deflowering. And so I guess it was like kind of like soft,

corish porn, like not porn, but like, like, uh, cinemax porn. You didn't get the whole script, huh? They didn't give you an answer. No, I just got the scene, but it's no longer on there. Apparently, I was cut out of the movie. I think some, some, uh, super fan had found the DVD and looked it up and, uh, and my scene no longer exists. You ain't in it? Oh, that's, I would like to see that. Which I have mixed feelings about on the one hand, I'm relieved. And on the other hand, I also would like to see the scene. Yeah. Right. Right. Of course. It's Glenn. How many times have you masturbated? I, I, I'm not, I'm not going to, uh, no comment. How many times? You're not going to dignify that question.

I'm not going to dignify that. Is it between zero and zero? Daniel Day-Lewis would have said, he just wouldn't say. Daniel Day-Lewis would say. Is it between zero and five? Leave the zoo. How long have you been there? The river side. I just got, I got in last night. Right. Oh, so it's, it's, it's between one and three. Relax. Relax. Um, guys, I got a P. Uh, can we end this fucking thing? Jesus Christ. You guys have done it. We have to have done it.

We did it. Uh, well, Rob, thanks for joining us.