The Always Sunny Podcast - Sweet Dee's Dating a [Redacted] Person

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

F*ck it. I've got my guys.

Here's an interesting thing. So, people are commenting on the coasters. Yeah. Yeah. They love the coffee table. They love it. That is an awesome coffee table. They're very upset that there were no coasters. Oh, okay. We weren't using coasters. So, is that why we have coasters now? Well, Tim Hale says, maybe there is no table and that is just a really big coaster. He's doing jokes. I like that. I like that joke. That's good. That is. Get some coasters. Savages. It is savages. Who said that? Dez. Oh, Dez. Smash Adam says, where are the coasters? What the fuck? Right. Well, ZG says, they keep the humidity at zero percent, so they don't have to worry about condensation. Nice. Yeah, we keep it nice and dry. Also, it's why we keep it nice and dry.

Yeah, we did sort of talk about my dry lips on the last one. Joe Joestar wants to know, do we even respect wood? Yeah. Do I respect wood? Joe, that's one of the most impressive things you could say. Yeah, that's. Are you serious? Like, are you serious right now? Do you? Megan's working. Yeah, Megan's working. It's just the bros. And you almost weren't here. Yes. But here you are.

Here I am. I'm literally in wardrobe of of Mythic Quest. So you're going to go right from here onto the scene. Yeah. Exciting. So your guy dresses not dissimilarly to the way you dress. Well, the sneakers I based on your guy. These are sort of like a cult leader look. Oh, that is a very cult leadery look. Cult leader would probably have their own type of sneaker.

Yeah, right. Yeah, the Heavens Gate. Heavens Gate guys, they all wore Nike high tops today. It was like similar to these. Yeah, that was part of getting into the through the gate. I guess, you know, when they were all lifted to heaven, you know, somebody caught you with a pair of Adidas on, they'd be like, you know, and we, you know what the funny thing is?

We act like that's ridiculous as if all the other funny hats and weird shit that people wear for other religions that have been around for thousands of years. Yeah, at least they had good shoes. Ridiculous. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. Like there's like hard, hard dress shoe of a lot of religions where it's like, make sure you wear a hard dress shoe and a very thin sock.

Yeah. You know, like thin sock. What's with the thin sock? What's with the thin sock, man? People are going to freeze to death. They're going to, their toes are going to fall off. Yeah. Yeah.

Not for God. A lot of cold countries here where they're demanding the thin sock. Mm-hmm. Thin sock and a thin shoe. Or just cover yourself in fabric. Just be draped in fabrics and fabrics and fabrics. Why didn't God want you so fabric covered? He definitely want you bedazzled.

Oh, lots of jewels and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Certain on your hats. The leaders. On your hands. The leaders. Well, some of us want you covered in jewels and some gods want you in no jewels and just sort of drab.

Meek. Robes and, yeah. Well, the followers, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can somebody explain? I don't really understand this Bible verse. And you went to a school where you, yeah, yeah, you guys studied it a lot. And I went to church a lot, but I didn't actually study it in school.

The meek shall inherit the earth. Yeah. That's a cool. I would have thought that it would have been the rich shall inherit the earth. The meek are going to do great in the afterlife. Because I thought that was the whole thing. Because I think it's also a part of the promise when the meek, when the meek were like, wait a second, we got the numbers and then the strong were like, well, the people in power.

We're like, no, you have the heaven. And then, and then they were like, okay, that's good. And that worked for a while. And then the meek were like, but can we have it here too? And they were like, fuck, all right, let's just promise it to them. Yeah, yeah, let's tell them that a great way to stay rich is to tell a poor person that the best thing you can be is poor. Meek.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Stay meek. And you will eventually inherit the earth. Is that the idea? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not today.

Down the line. We're working on it. Down the line. Maybe after you're dead. Maybe generations from now. Yes, your meek grandchildren. But the problem is inheriting the earth. That's like, that's some serious wealth.

And then you're no longer meek. So it's also a lot of responsibility. Yeah. Like, how does that work? How does that shake up? Once you've inherited the earth, you're no longer meek. Fuck, man. I used to be meek, but I have the whole earth now.

Yeah. And now I can't. And it's tough to stay meek. And now I can't go to heaven. So I got it. I should just give it back. Bro, are you still meek? I'm meek.

Sold out. He ain't meek anymore. He's sold out. He's got the earth and shit. That's how I feel. We were meek before Megan made us do the ads. And now we're not really strong. We've inherited the earth.

Now we haven't inherited the earth. Another very manipulative one where the rich people are like, hey, listen, I know it looks like I've got everything going for me. And I do. But it's going to be really hard for me to get into heaven. Yeah. You know, so once I die, that's where this whole thing falls apart for me. And everything is, you know, great, great for you.

So my advice to you. You stay there. My advice to you would be stay under my shoe. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Basically just figure it out.

Right. I like that you, it's hard to figure out which parts metaphor and which parts literal. And that's the fun of the Bible is that like, it was when it was written, it was all literal. And then slowly over time. Slowly over time. Man.

Fat parts metaphor. Clearly. Clearly. Where's the Bible land on ghosts? I was having a conversation about ghosts the other day. Well, the ultimate ghost, right? Is, I mean, he's part of the Holy Trinity. Sure.

They straight up called me a ghost. They used to call it the Holy Ghost. I got to think about ghosts. So, you know, a lot of people believe in ghosts and that's fine. But like. That's fine. That's fine. You know, like to each their own.

But they only believe in like human ghosts, right? People aren't like, man, I saw the ghost of a worm the other day. And it freaked me out. You know what I mean? Don't hear a lot of that. The ghost of a worm. Now, is your point? Why is it that only humans have ghosts?

And why is there not the ghost of a worm? Is there a certain kind of arrogance there? I think, and maybe kind of blows the whole theory up that like, they're only, only human souls can be trapped and walking around. Maybe people are like, oh, I saw the ghost of my cat. Yeah. Like maybe. But like, at what point did they stop?

It's like, I killed the fly. And then an hour later, I saw the ghost of that fly. And they came back to be like, I wasn't ready to die. A tragedy happened. You know, like. There's a great idea in this. And I love it. You never get that.

Yeah. Yeah. This, this seems like a good picture for the writer's room. I don't know. We could put it in sunny. You're thinking, all right. All right. This could segue into some fun, fun thing.

I came in. I saw a ghost. I saw a ghost. And then your grandfather, your great grandfather. Yeah, who was it? Huh? It was Jerry the worm. No.

Yeah. It's a safe worm. A safe worm. A safe worm. Yeah. He's back. Well, he's not, he's not in me. He wants in. He wants in, but he's upset.

And, you know, he's, I guess he's in purgatory. You know, we. Yeah, yeah. He can't pass the other side until I make peace with this tapeworm. Yes. Yeah. That's a bad, that's a good jumping off. Okay.

All right. All right. And then you get the whole like paranormal people, which are fascinating. Yes. Trying to get like, you get a little inside peek in their world. It's also great to call them in and then reveal to them once they're there with all their equipment

that it's a, that it's a tapeworm they're looking for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, wait, what? Yeah. And then they have to explain that it's only humans. And then they find it and then they have to confess, like, look, this whole thing was kind of a fraud, but now I'm not so sure because I saw Jerry.

I'll be honest with you. The only ghost I've ever actually seen is with this tapeworm that you spoke of. Yeah. They have to admit it. Yeah. I've guys, I've heard segueing a little bit. I've heard from a number of people out on the street

or even people at work at this other show that I do or on the weekends. I was at Disneyland this past weekend. I do another show on Apple called Mythic Quest. Oh, shit. That's exciting. I was going on to season three. Congratulations, man. Disneyland was a good time.

Disneyland was amazing. You went to Disneyland? I went to Disneyland. Okay. Yes, with some friends and it was amazing. And there were so many people there, obviously. It was Disneyland. And I heard over and over and over again, loving the podcast.

Loving the podcast. Good. Okay. And I always ask people what it is that they like about it, just because I'm interested in it. Yeah. And 90% of the people say that they listen to it on the way to work. I hear more listeners than I hear creeps,

but I know you're out there because we see the numbers. You're watching. People listen to us on their way to work and on their way home from work. And it feels like they're hanging out with their friends. Hanging out with their buds. Yeah. And I like that because I feel like I'm hanging out with my friends. Well, we are.

I have more fun on the podcast, having conversations like this, because I feel like I'm talking to my friends, as opposed to talking about the episodes themselves. Even though I recognize the fans do like. Yeah. And it is interesting. And boy, this one is a heck of an episode. And how do we talk about it?

How do we? Yeah. Well, we can say this. Again, making sure that this podcast does not become an apology tour, because that's just going to get boring. And there's no need for that either. But we have recognized that at the at the time, we truly felt that that was that that was a word that was used commonly.

And that made sense. Well, well, but it was also a word that was abused by people who, you know, are awful people. And our characters are awful awful people. Yes. But this was one of the episodes where it totally deviated from the characters to the way that we were using it so casually. To me, made it feel like the filmmakers at the time were not conscious

of what we were saying and how painful that could be for people. That is a derogatory term. That is great. But we didn't know that at the time. Well, I mean, that is correct. It was much more commonly used at the time. Let's face it. Yes.

You know. And then I think over the, what has it been, a decade more? Way longer. Yeah. Since that, since we did, since we did that, it's become. 15 years. 15 years, dude. 15 years.

Yeah. It's become, you know, we've, as society said, let's, let's get rid of this term. Yeah, let's not do that anymore. But by the way, if you recall, we weren't even going to have person in the title. We were going to say Sweet D, Date Steve. Yeah, yeah. And our word. Yeah.

It was almost, yeah. But then what we, what we realized was at the time, that was the derogatory. And we did use it. And the character did use it in the episode once, which was the abbreviated version of it. But when we. But to title it that is different because that's the filmmakers title. And we were just telling something, right? Right.

But then, but what we thought at the time was that the full word was something that was acceptable even in the community. Right. Right. As being, and it wasn't until later when we realized that that was not the case. And I think culturally we, it was accepted as well. So it is what it is. But ultimately the, the characters get their comeuppance for.

Totally. Using the word so liberally and, and asking a little Kev. And then he eviscerates them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and yes. And that's why continually when we're asked, hey, how do you get away with this or whatever, the, we recognize that our audience can watch something and recognize that it's of a time

and place and that they know where we stood at the time and where we stand now. And that's how we get away with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We say it a lot in the episode. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Each time. Like, yeah, me too. Just, just cringe a little bit, right? Like, just feel it go up your spine. There's so much great stuff in the episode. Yeah. It's super funny.

I mean, that's really funny. It's really funny. I mean, Kyle, Kyle's amazing. It is amazing. Can you imagine anyone else playing that part? I mean, Kyle completely nails that role. Yeah. Yeah.

He was like a skateboarder and he, he had something with his eyes, blind in one eye, right? Like he'd had an accident. Oh, something. Yeah. I don't remember what it was that happened, but yeah. And he just dove into that character and nails it. Walks that fine line of you can't tell if he's.

Yeah. If there's something going on there or not. Something going on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, the whole episode was born out of us always never wanting to make fun of people with developmental disabilities, but it was to make fun of rappers who had that affected, especially white rappers that had that affectation. Yeah. And we had heard a few, and I love Eminem. It wasn't really Eminem. It was a couple of like low grade Eminems that were coming out around the time. And you couldn't understand what the, what the fuck they were talking about, right?

Interviews and things like that. And we were like, oh, they sound. You know, filling the word. And so let's go, let's have a go at them. Yeah. What if, what if there was someone like that and we weren't sure? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's one of those promises that. And he's gold digging, clearly gold digging through the whole, through the whole episode. Yeah. Which is a lot of fun. I also do love like that, that I say that he really is, you know, I don't want to use the word, but that he really is, you know, and then later I'm like, okay, fine. He what? He's not, he's not.

And she's like, why would you do that? And then she leaves and I'm like, and you guys are like, so he wasn't. So he's not. And then I'm like, oh no, he is. Yeah, he definitely is. Definitely is. Oh no, he definitely is. Yeah.

Well, that's, that's funny. That was a good joke. What are you going to do? That's a good joke. That's funny. But that was super fucking funny. Yeah. I think it's okay.

Like if we had to do it now, you know, we, the characters would dance around the usage of the word and it would be just as funny. Yeah. And you know, so those are the adjustments you make, but like the characters would be like, not wanting to say our word, but that was the intent and you could make a joke out of that. But yeah, or we would have, you know, a character amongst the group who was like, that's not, please don't use that word. You know what I mean?

Like there would be an opposing view, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, I think you can still like, you know, we have to still be able to tackle these kinds of subjects and everything. But you know, again, I think we're a little bit more conscious of making sure that it's clear that we, the filmmakers are not like biased. But what's also interesting and what's so damn funny is the other storyline, you know, with everything from starting a band to this band ex to the day man song.

Like, and do you remember when we cut it together where we were like, well, we dropped the ball on this one and just it doesn't, why do we feel that way? Well, I can't remember why we thought that way. As opposed to the one we just watched two ago, the gang sells out, which I feel like totally holds up. I feel like this one, even just narratively, is so silly. Whereas the gang sells out is silly in the way that Sonny is, but you understand everything and why it's happening and it all makes sense.

This is clearly us in the writer's room being like, you know what, let's just justify them getting into a band. It makes no sense at all that we, that my motivation, for example, max motivation, for example, is we don't need to learn how to play the instruments at all. Let's just get up here and look cool and get a crowd in here. And like, I kind of buy that, but it's also just bullshit. Oh, I don't know that that didn't, that didn't hit my bullshit meter. You know how like some things do, some things don't, I'm like,

that sort of fell within the arrogance of the characters for me where I'm like, oh, they're just cocky enough and dumb enough to think that they can do it. Like, I think a lot of people see any kind of like, whether it's acting or music or, you know, juggling, stand up, whatever the heck. I think, yeah, I could do that if I just tried. And it's like, yeah, but you have to try for 30 years, you know, because like you're going out. And so I think to me, it falls within the way these characters might think, which is to be like, yeah, I can make a band.

Like how good do you have to be? That scene where Charlie has got the blanket over his head. He's clearly been helping paint the entire, and you come over to his house. I remember that shooting that scene. It was the first scene we shot of season three. That's correct. I remember it so vividly. And I remember me laughing hysterically.

I remember nobody else laughing, which is like in the crew, which is always a great sign because for whatever reason, I don't know why sometimes there are things that are very specific to what we're trying to do. And out of context, a lot of the crew doesn't read the scripts. So out of context, it's just what is happening. You have no idea what's happening. And it was so funny to me at the time. Yeah.

I remember, you know, so Rob Rosell and Scott Martyr wrote that episode. And they came up with those lyrics for the song. And it was Day Man, Fighter of the Night Man, champion of the sun, master of karate and friendship for everyone. And you're like, what the fuck? Like that's so fucking funny and random. Yeah. And we had a little Casio keyboard in the office,

that, you know, you can put on the setting that fills in the chords, you know? So I just like, like press that one key was like bap-ba-ba-ba bap-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. And then I just started singing the melody and you started singing the ahs. And that there was there was that is like exactly what happened Yeah, we were like let's let's fuck. Let's see what we can figure out or whatever and you were like tinkering with the keyboard Yeah, and then you just started kind of singing the thing and then I did the ah ahs and

I also know from the Queen song. Well, yeah, so flash Gordon was it was yeah at the time I was so my buddy Sam Whit were who's a musician and Wanted to do some live performances from an album that he his self published album that he had put out and You know so me and some other people were like it we put like a band together and we were just like we I don't know we only did like maybe eight shows or something we would call the crash tones and What the thing that we opened every show with was the flash Gordon theme song the Queen Queen's flash Gordon theme song from the 1980 flash Gordon and

So it was like inspired by that for sure like it felt it felt like Dayman was like You know like a superhero so it kind of felt like it Tracked in that or like it. I don't know it made sense to me. It's funny how music can be like Something's working something clicks right away and grabs you and is catchy and then you find one other Little element to add to it like the Oz and it puts it over the top and it makes a whole thing work like You see the documentary on the back backup singers. Yeah, the woman who for the Rolling Stones Yeah, they're like ten feet from stardom or something like that

And they call her like four in the morning and and they're like it's like can you come in? Can you sing these lines and she's like, okay? And you're like well, there's that song, you know, like it just yeah and then in fact In that song her voice cracks at one point. Yeah, she thought well, there's no way they're gonna use that Like let me do it. Let me do it again where I do it, right? And Phil Spector was like nope. That's the one that goes in. It's amazing. Yeah Just recorded yeah, the creative process a crazy mysterious elusive thing Well, we've got to do another ad because Megan has to pay her rent

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That was not done in the writer's room that happened live There was a camera pointed at you and you were just riffing. Yeah, but so not only was that really funny And incredible to come up with in the moment like that, but then we took that lore that you created And made a whole musical about it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was I remember we just kind of cameras roll And I had the keyboard. It was like, okay, you specifically requested you were like, let's do let me just do a couple We're just just let the cameras roll and let me do my thing and let's just see what happens. Let's just see what happens And one of those takes was Yeah, I remember that was like

First time Adams clean our cameraman who we've had since season one was like laughing shaking I had to back up out of the frame. I thought yeah, you guys. Yeah, you were I remember we had to cut around your laughter Because it's really dumb and really funny It's so stupid, but so funny. Yeah, so funny in the way that you were you were free flowing And rhyming it all the way through was There was no way you had thought about that. No before you step up on that stage that I don't know. Did I had you? I don't sharing each other like loving brothers. No way. No, I don't think so and that shot of Danny of frank at the end which like just ends the scene is so funny. Yeah, look on his face

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That was a ton of fun. I mean that was one of the The like what a great thing we were getting to do, right? Like we we made the show And we sort of were finding our feet and then we would create these scenarios for ourselves to be like, okay Here's a scenario. Here's a funny situation. We know this is going to be lyrics gone wrong and go free and and to allow ourselves The freedom for each one of our characters or performers to come on the show to be like, all right, just

I don't know turn your brain off and let it rip And we have gotten so much good stuff out of doing that. Oh, yeah, just letting it rip. Yeah No, I well people ask us still all the time like how much of the show is improv and I'm like It's not really improv as much as it is like a lot of ad libbing and stuff But there are certainly moments of improv and it's one of the benefit like You know for people who are not in the film and television business. They may not realize like most things I mean like if you're doing a play you're doing Tennessee Williams. You don't change the those words like they're Yeah, they're they're perfect and they are the way they are and they're sacred in a way and so, you know

You say them exactly as written TV and film there's usually a little bit more leeway depending on the writer and the director, right? Like if it's Quentin Tarantino, he's probably like no say it the way I wrote it The Coen brothers or Aaron sorkin or somebody Coen brothers, right? Who who just are like pretty Word perfect, right? You got to be pretty word perfect with those guys Although it's hard to believe that Jeff Bridges performance in big Lebowski There weren't some moments where he wasn't riffing a little talk about and they're like no is all all scripted out to the Um and the ah

That's just that's just it shows you how incredible the Coen brothers are and how incredible Jeff Bridges was that it sounds That is that it sounds like You know ad libbing and improvise but John Goodman I mean in that in that movie so like Unreal like where he's about to blow up and then he catches himself like many times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, um, but like Uh, it's one of the privileges of getting to do this show is that because we write it and we are the creators we don't have to

You know usually with another show like I would go out of respect for the writer or the or the showrunner I would go and I would say hey, I'm thinking of like messing with this a little bit Like can we do one where I just kind of like riff a little bit, you know And I would do that on ap bio all the time I and we eventually got to the point where Mike would just kind of let me you know do my thing sometimes But what's ap bio? That's a show that I did on NBC for two years and then on peacock for two years four years Yeah, we did four seasons Sounds cool

Depending on the movie depending on the style of comedy sometimes you can just open it up and sometimes you can't for our show It really worked well To act it In a similar style To how we shoot it right and the Coen brothers. It's very structured shots, you know almost um Hitchcock ask in terms of like these are very stylized the cameras not well earlier movies the cameras moving around a bunch, but Um with us it's cross covered things are dirty the shot over the shoulder the characters seem connected

It's loose and you want the comedy to be spontaneous and loose And it creates a really good illusion of reality you kind of really believe these are real people This is how they talk and that you're sitting in the room with them Yeah, right. We're we're um This show on apple that we do called mythic west mr myth mythic quest Yeah, it's a show like you're saying mr with a lisp Mr. Mr. Mr. West

That's the show We have these very composed sort of cinematic shots every once in a while and what you realize is people Adlibbing or improving in those shots doesn't work for a number of reasons and sometimes it's subconscious Where you you can kind of feel that they're making it up Oh, like the shot like the shots clean, but the dialogue's messy and it doesn't work But when we go to say steady cam or what we do on sunny, which is handheld and kind of rocky and shaky Then it feels like oh, i'm a fly on the wall. I'm not watching a cinematic piece I'm sitting in the room with those people and then it works

I don't know. I don't know if it's a conscious thing or a subconscious thing Well, I do know that I do know that when we first created sunny one of the things that we were Pretty adamant about was cross covering right? I mean it was very inspired by By the the british office and by curb your enthusiasm. I was convinced that I was like on curb I mean they're improvising they've got to be shooting five cameras at the same time I still don't to this day really know how they shoot it, but You know, so that was always the idea from the beginning. It was like, okay, this is going to be scripted But I just I want it to feel

Like The actors don't even know what they're going to say next. I wanted I just wanted it to feel really spontaneous I wanted to feel improvised even if it wasn't um, and you know, hence the the cross coverage and the bad eye lines and the shitty cameras and You know, but uh, the benefit of that was that we got to You know do something a little different. I mean You know, some people say the show is just us yelling over each other and they're not totally wrong They're wrong that first scene that opening scene anytime in the early years when you had all five of us in a room at the same time

We're just talking over each other filling in each other's lines filling in the gaps of there's no silence No, I don't know god for we got better at that. God forbid Yeah, but that but the scene I think I think so The scene uh between the two of you when you find the song That was clearly covered by at least two cameras or maybe three I think because there's there's like kismet that happens where you find the clap You you were you get into the beat and then you find the clap at the exact right time Yeah, which was and I remember being so satisfying at the time satisfying in the edit and then now it's been

50 12 13 years since I've seen it again It's still satisfying. It all feels it all feels weirdly real I mean clearly it isn't because it's so heightened and so strange, you know Although I bet most people would think that that song that you made up on the spot was was was also not Not not improvised, but it it was which is just crazy I also think going back to the improv thing for one second like You know, we we never improv like I think improv the idea of improv is like an audience full of people and someone says Here's a situation peanut butter jelly and taxes and then they go up on stage and they create a situation about peanut butter

And jelly and taxes like that's never what we're doing. We have we not only do we know the scene We know what our characters want within the scene We have it perfectly scripted to the point where There's no improv necessary by perfectly. I mean like in our minds, you know that this is good enough We don't want to be in a situation where we have to improv and even if I'm doing a song like that I'm sure I've I've I have a few ideas going into the scene about what's going to be funny. Yeah It's not so incredibly spontaneous. I mean not to take away from some good improv, but like it's some touch points that you want to hit It's structured improv. It's like

I don't know. It's like we really have a sense of what we want and then we open it up and say What's the funniest way to get what we want? But again, think about what a privilege it is to to do that and and I know that like And at the time to do it because we shot in a way that's so fast and furious You know, you haven't had a two-hour lighting setup because you have a crazy dolly move You know, like like here's the cameras go Can you talk about that? So well on on horrible bosses say for instance, right? We're clearly you guys were riffing and having fun and all that kind of stuff

And it's a very different shooting environment where you probably weren't cross covering a lot Maybe occasionally. I don't know. I mean, but when you've got like I I don't I mean again with my my peacock show my very successful four-season peacock show ap bio You know, we would shoot one side at a time Uh, it's okay. I'll I'll send you the I'll send you a link ap bio. That's such a weird guy advanced horrible bosses I know. I mean that was a it was a huge hit But today's standards the money was right though Um, no, I enjoyed the second one. I didn't you know where you're shooting one side at a time

Yeah, and then you you know, you're shooting one side of a conversation Yeah, and you're riffing you're improvising right and then you've got to stop Yeah, turn everything around which takes 20 to 30 minutes to turn all the lights around Come back on the other guy. Then you've hope you hope you've got a really good script coordinator Uh, or script supervisor written down a funny improv Written down some of the better remember redo it because then you got to do it on the other side It's much tougher to do it that way. Yeah, I think with horrible bosses if I remember correctly We did a lot of three shots

You know two shots where all three of us were in the frame. Yes, or it would be like, you know We're getting interrogated by a police officer. The police officer says the same thing every time But you guys are all we open up our end a little bit. So Um, I think they did a good job of Of where to let let us Dirty up the dialogue and and where to keep it clean. But yeah, it's much tougher because I'd done a movie the first Future movie I got to do was going the distance and that was my first time on a set where Uh, where we were doing that where we would improv a ton

You know me and sedacus and justin long and then we would have to remember what we did to turn around to try to Yeah, because we don't do that on sunny. No, we just shoot it all at once and and and if we improvise something You know, we'll we'll usually build on it or do something different the next time But either way, you know, if you and I are improvising something We're both on camera at the same time. So when you get in the edit You get to cut together a scene with all the actors in it. Yeah, you don't you're not you know I mean, you're not like trying to piece together as I mean, we do piece things together But you you don't have to do it as much on our show on on mr. Quest. Um

Um, that's mr. Mr. Mr. Quest. Um, do you Yeah, how are you balancing that when you when because obviously you're shooting it in much more like a movie? Uh, and here's a complete, uh, this is an omission that I have nothing to do with it. I've said it before. Um, uh, You have every we've established this. You have everything to do. We've you've created the characters that launched them that I walked away And then you guys have been doing it. Um, but uh Uh, how are you balancing that? Uh, sort of like I'm sure you're letting horns be riff and cut loose. So Then when he comes up with something great and you've shot one side Or you have your uh script script coordinator writing down the improv's and then we do but because um

Because David has so much experience. I have so much experience We all in this room have so much experience. You kind of remember what works and what doesn't but sometimes we'll say, okay We remember to get this we do we do have certain scenes that we realize we have to cross cover because The improv is important and then we have actually we have other actors too Who aren't as necessarily comfortable and it doesn't mean they're not great. It's just not they're fantastic on the show They just they just would rather stick to the script. Yeah, and if you throw out something they're happy to say it But they're it's not their first instinct to do so. Here's an interesting thing How do online comments affect you guys personally?

Uh, I I love I I Look, I think I have no problem Like I'm not one of those people who's like, no, I don't know. I don't ever read reviews of stuff that I do You know some some some actors are just like I can't read that stuff too toxic or whatever Uh, whether it's good or bad. Um, I I'm not that way. I it's like I weirdly want the feedback I like the feedback. I now look I would have someone said something got on your skin to sit with you for a few days or like no, no, no, no, it'll sit it was Uh, it could sit with me for a couple minutes, but then it's gone

You know now I will admit however if if after we did an episode after an episode of sunny air or whatever and I if I went on twitter And the vast majority of the comments were negative Sure that that's gonna mess anybody up with me that would fuck with me, but you know, most of them are really good And then there's the occasional, you know, something like man, your show has not been good since season six, you know you're just like Thanks for the feedback man Yeah, yeah, what about you? You seem unfazed by these kind of things

Um, no, I think I'm actively unfazed meaning like I'm doing work. It's a practice. It's a practice. Yeah. Yeah, I would say Yeah, yeah, it never feels good to have somebody criticize you in some way But I think you just look at who it is that's doing so. So if you were to come in and say Hey, I don't think what you're doing is good. I would listen to that because I value your opinion Uh, but if it's just some sorry, I meant both of you, but I was looking at you He asked the question he asked the question Okay, all right, but if both of you guys because we this is what we do all the time if you came to me and said Hey, we

Either see this creatively or your behavior or whatever it might be or we have a professional issue with you Which we've navigated over the years Then I take that very seriously because I valued your opinions Um, but if I look on twitter and it's just some rando dickhead who wants to chime in I don't get flying fuck Yeah, but mostly because I just simply don't I don't know who they are Yeah, so I don't value their opinion, right? Yeah, and then if in terms of criticism The only time I get because I do read reviews for new things that come out I haven't read a sunny review in forever, but but I but I do read reviews say for mr. Quest and

Uh, the only time which are all very good. The only time I get upset is when I feel That they're lazy That they're that they're not understanding what it is. We're trying to do because they they're stupid and lazy and Sometimes we'll get criticism where I bring it to Megan and David and I say I think they're right But this is somebody who's taking the time to actually look and try to understand what we're doing they have an opinion about it and then Regardless of what their opinion might be if if they point out that oh

I believe the show was going for this and they failed and here's why And they're right from my perspective. I'll bring it to them and say yeah, I think we can be better. I think that's valuable Yeah, well any any feedback that allows you to make something better is is is valuable Yeah, and that's different from trolling, which is just very different. Yeah, very different You know, I I have often been frustrated and we've talked about this, you know off camera many times, but by reviews of sunny even positive reviews of sunny Where they talk about the show in a way that makes it sound unappealing to people Who might be turned? You know, they're like they're like, yeah, these guys are so funny

And they they they cross the line and it's so gross and they're disgusting and you know They're perverts and all this kind of stuff and it's like If you don't know the show and you're reading that review You're gonna go. Totally. This is not my type Somebody just sent me an article yesterday. Yeah that we were on a top 10 list of There were two shows that I am a part of that were on a top 10 best office comedies of all time Sunny was one of them and mythic quest was one of them. This is the set of all time the mythic quest piece started like this

We're like number five in the list Mythic quest isn't for everyone. Yeah, that was the first great start. It's god damn it. Yeah And I'm like, wait, wait, and this is a positive review. It's a positive review. Yeah, but you're saying it's almost like you're hedging Yeah, like the person that wrote it is saying I believe that this is a great show, but you might not and I want to make sure that I have a healthy distance by saying Yeah, well, it's not for everybody. I warned you. I warned you. No, here's my opinion. Fuck off It's like the comments and the reviews if they hit something that you have a personal insecurity about Then it stings, right? Like I think for me if it's like something about my voice or whatever or

Like your looks or whatever like that that's that shit. You're like, ah fuck ouch. Why did I read that? You know, um the other side of it is like fuck you is why I sound like an I'm aging. What do you want? You know, like But it's hard to like build that up when it's about the work Yeah, that I don't know it all sucks. Fuck everybody You heard that you heard it here folks Fuck everybody We'd like you to know that today's episode is brought to you by Helix sleep

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Right you can walk up and smack someone in the face and yell at them, but if you do it at the Oscars Yeah, it's gonna you're gonna have some blowback if you do it at the after party. You're probably probably gonna be fine He should have waited till the after party is what you're saying, of course I think the audience recognizes what we're doing who we are and what we're doing Yeah in terms of the television show. I don't think we've done or said anything here today No, I think in this day and age more than ever, you know, you're you're You have A lot more coming at you and a lot more to sort of dance around and think about but to some extent you also have to just kind of

Press on yeah, you know Yeah, I worry for our kids like growing up in a social media world like I like I like yeah, you know Obviously our children aren't famous people, but you're famous within your school, right? You're famous within your circle like You're you know Mikey of the three mikes in fourth grade or whatever like And you know the group of kids like tweeting or Anything goes around like Mikey shit his pants and and then it gets like posted and it goes around like these how do

How are people navigating it? Well in the same way? I mean at least the way we're navigating it would be this in a similar way just on a larger scale But it's the same thing which is creating an armor essentially that that is impenetrable but not Not able to If I don't want to walk through my life in an impenetrable armor, right? Like then that's like some crazy shit well that I don't mean it from like a like a sociopathic way

Because you know like sociopaths walk around and they have an impenetrable armor that you can't actually get to them because they don't feel anything I mean more about your own value meaning that you have a sense of self and who you are and What your value is to yourself and how much you love yourself and there's nothing that can penetrate that now that's active work That's not something you just feel it's something you're constantly reminding yourself of And I think that's fair and I think from there you can allow people in Into your heart through that armor if you so if you so choose to

But if they try to come at you and you don't want them, that's what the armor's for I think yeah, look, I mean I I think it comes from your parents For the most part it comes from, you know having parental support I really do I mean, I know that's what it is for me, you know anytime I've ever, you know come up against Sort of like a you're not good at this or you can't do this thing You know, I I personally believe that you know, my parents believe in me and their unconditional love

But ultimately don't you believe that what that created in you is not a need For parental love because oftentimes that's what can happen right where it you're still looking for external Validation which we all are to a certain extent But but it will hit a wall where it you can't you can no longer look look to that you have to look inside That's right, right and but but because you have that and you felt safe at an early age You started to create that that's self worth that you take well It's almost like you you ultimately you can go out into the world and be brave and make mistakes and screw up and not do things right Much more easily if you know that there's a place where you can go back to if you had to where you are loved and

Accepted for who you are. Yes. Um, if you don't have that love and acceptance anywhere Um, I think it's extraordinarily difficult because it's hard to go out into the world and take risks without being without being you guys I feel that way about this show So I feel so confident about going out and doing Whatever it is that I do mr. Quest or a movie or another tv show or a business whatever it might be what movie because I know You're gonna move out of spin. No, when is he ever done a movie? I haven't and I don't plan to in the future But the point is that if I were to frustrating to me, I wouldn't be afraid

I'm not a I'm not as afraid to fail because I know I have a home that I can come back to yeah, and that you guys Love me unconditionally, but you put me in check, right? There's boundaries and there's discipline to our relationship But at the end of the day, I know you love me. I know you value me and because of that I can go out and do other things and if they fail I go fuck it. I got my guys. Yeah, no, you're right I feel that way too. I absolutely feel there's a There's a great film called Oh, shit, I think it's called the great beauty. It's an Italian movie

Uh, I think one best-formed film a few years ago Oh You told me about this. Yeah, uh, I never saw it There's a spoiler here. This is a spoiler. So plug your ears if you plan to watch Italian films Uh, but I think most of our fans are but there's this old like none character And uh, she looks like 170. I mean, I don't know. It's probably makeup, but she looks very old She's only got a couple teeth and she's always like eating roots and uh There's some you know, some character says oh, she always eats roots

And then at the end of the movie the guy says to the nun He's like, you know, he's like sister. Why are you always eating roots and she turns and she looks at him and she goes I don't speak Italian. That's what they're like Pararoos es importante, you know, because roots are important Uh, and it's a really powerful moment of the film where you're like, oh, yeah, fuck if you're not rooted in something Then yeah, then all the comments and all the all the noise all the fucking noise the fucking mower outside Whatever it is, it all comes at you Need to be grounded and rooted in something which I also appreciate that I feel like I've gotten from you guys and this this show

You know where it doesn't come from where eating root vegetables It's a Yeah, um Well, we've done almost out of coffee and uh, I'm sure that everyone is out of patience. So yeah, why don't we wrap this up? We talked happy