The Always Sunny Podcast - The Gang Gets Whacked: Part 1

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

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Oh, okay, okay, four minutes after six o'clock, and we're all here. Well, Rob, are we all here? Are you really here? All right, because I feel like you're, do I look it? You look, you know, listen, buddy, you don't ever, I've never seen you look like the kind of tired where you look terrible. But I mean, I could just tell by the facial expressions you're making, the amount that you're blinking, that you're struggling right now.

I'm struggling, yeah. And it's hard to see your friends struggle. It's tough. Thanks, buddy. I don't like it. Why don't you tell everybody what you were just, why don't you tell everybody what you were just doing and why it was so important and, and let's just, you know, let's get into it.

Let's get into it. Yeah, I'd like to know. I haven't talked to you since you were over there, so I'd like to know. It's six a.m. here. Well, it's actually six o' five in the morning. Charlie's not here, but, but we're here. And I'm a little foggy because I just got back from Europe doing a thing in Europe. And oh, Charlie's chrome is out of date.

He's got all sorts of, he's replacing it. Uh-oh. Yeah. That's okay. I just got back from Europe and we have a lot going on and then it's, it's six a.m. And I'm just a little out of it, but I'll snap to it. Do you want to, do you want to tell us what you were doing over there in Europa? Yeah.

I was in Wales. Well, I was in London. I was in Wales and I was watching football, watching football soccer here in the United States. Um, and then, uh, I did actually, I did the, I did the podcast last week. You, I didn't, we missed you. I thank you. I, I saw that, um, you know, it was interesting because I, I saw you guys trying to go into

a thing where you were, uh, you know, going to give me shit for not being there because I couldn't be there. Uh, but you know, there's just not that much shit. You can really talk about me. I, I, I, you were trying, you were trying and I, I appreciate that because that would have been very funny. But then I think you very quickly realized like we love this guy. Because there's nothing we can say that bad about him really, um, you know, I might have

cut that Glenn. I might have just cut that you might have caught all that. I'm going to disable my video, your video. This is a video podcast. I just feel very self-conscious. I feel like there's a camera pointer right in my face. I'll get past it. I'll get past it.

I'm not, these, these are all champagne problems. I'm not, I'm not really complaining. I just, I feel like shit and, um, you know, I'm going to snap out of it. Glenn, you know me. I can, I can come into a room and feel real bad, but then I can, I can snap through it. Listen, I've, I, I, you've always been good at that so much better at that than me. Sometimes it takes me hours, hours to warm up and, uh, and, uh, you know, cut, cut, snap out of it.

So to speak, when I'm, when I'm in the kind of place that you're in right now. You know what people probably love to hear? They turn on their podcast, they turn on the podcast because they want to, they're driving to work. And it's six AM where they are. And they're like, they want to hear, they want to hear TV stars moaning. They want to hear people fly back from Europe. Just complaining.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's the kind of shit that'll snap me out of it. Oh boy. We'll have just a little bit of perspective. And I'm like, you know, shut up. I just, yeah, you're like, I just, I'm just, I'm, I'm tired.

I just got back from Europe where I was watching the football team that I own, uh, play. And, you know, and the first class, I got it, look, you know, I don't want to complain here, but you know, it's just not first class. It's just not the same as private, you know, it's great. It's great. You know, and I had my, I had my own pod, but it was one of those pods in the middle where you're right next to somebody else's pod. You know what I mean?

It's, you want to be on the pods on the side where you're just totally alone and isolated, you know, and I had a pod and it was next to a guy and I could hear him breathing and it just, I don't know. And the flight attendant kept asking me, do you want something? Is there something else we can bring you, sir? And I'm like, yeah, leave me alone. Well also, but wait, could you grab me a champagne? I mean, that'd be great.

Yes. Yes. Literally champagne problems. Can I get you some more champagne? And I'm like, you're making this a problem. You keep bothering me. I'm trying to relax with my, well, hang on a second. Yes.

I do want more. I'm just saying, don't every five seconds be, well, I'm not saying don't check on me. Definitely check on me. And I want to make sure that the glass is at least half full. But if it's not, if it's more than half full, then maybe just give it a sec, okay? It's always half empty. It's always half empty. That's, I think that's, is that what we're getting to?

That is what we're getting to anyway. Can you see me? Can people see and hear me? Yes. We can see. We can see you now, Charlie. Hi. What the fuck happened?

I went to do the same old, same old. And it goes, you got to use a newer Google Chrome. So I uploaded the thing off the fucking internet. And now my computer- Well, Charlie, we spent the first 12 minutes complaining and, and then realizing that the audience- Well, I'll tell some complaints. Do you want some extra complaints?

Yeah. Throw in some of your complaints. I think it's great. I can barely, I can barely see you guys. Why did it update it to like, if you want, we can update it. And make it worse. Does not work your computer at all. Yeah.

Yeah. And make, and, and, and- We've made it worse. Yeah. Yeah, this is, I, by the way, I, I'm loving this because I feel like I'm always the one who's like tired and in bad mood. And, and- Well, it's, it's a lot, it's a lot later for you right now.

And we, I love, I love this idea because I get up early anyway, but I, I, I generally don't get up and then get on the camera. And I think that's my- It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You resent it a little bit. You resent it. Come on.

Let's say it's okay. Hey guys, people want to hear about this stuff. They do, you know? No, you know what they want to hear about? Because it's fucking hilarious. The gang gets whacked. Yeah. Boom.

Boom. Boom. Eyes. I gotta, I gotta, I may as well since, since I just did boom eyes, I gotta throw a quick shout out to my buddy Greg Wiener who plays bingo in the episode. One of my closest friends for a very long time. We were roommates together in Miami, Florida for a short period of time. And I just absolutely love that guy.

And I miss him. And I think he's great in the episode. The eyes bit, speaking of boom eyes, I believe that was a bit we came up with on the day. I don't think that was something that was in the script. I think that was something that we've just realized on the day would be funny. I don't know. The casting of bingo was like the, was the first time where we really thought, well, we're in season three and we see all these other shows.

We see all these other shows and they seem to be able to get stars on them to do, just quick cameos. And we thought, that'd be cool. I guess our people watching the show, it's hard to tell. There's no social media. We don't really, we don't really know. We don't trust the ratings that are being given to us because they're being used as pieces of information to leverage against us during our negotiations.

So, so, so are people watching the show? I don't know. Well, let's make some offers to some stars and see, you know, we have this funny character named bingo. Wait, wait, can I, can I do, do you remember who we offered it to first? Yes. Because I think I remember. I think I remember.

I do. Let's see if we all remember. I do. Okay. Should we write it down? Was it Sean Penn? It was a Sean Penn, yeah. I think it was Sean Penn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. I think we, let's start with Sean Penn. Yeah. Let's write it down to Greg Wiener. Do you remember the progression? I remember the progression. No, I don't remember the progression.

I just remember us going to Sean Penn and I do remember thinking like, he might do it. I mean, Danny's on the show. He might do it. He might have done it. You know, here's the thing. It might not have ever even gotten to him, you know, it's like the thing where you reach out to his reps and they're like, no, he's not going to do one scene on a basic cable show.

Like the only way to get to a guy like that is like a friend has to call a friend like Danny has to call. Yeah, we like, hey man, try to reach out to him. Yeah. Yeah. We did. Okay. Yeah.

And even then, I don't blame who's like, it's like in fucking, you know, Haiti saving people's lives. But it was around the time that entourage was on and people were doing entourage left and right. Now that's a show about the entertainment industry. Nevertheless, they did it. So we didn't get Sean Penn and the date was looming and it was getting close. But we thought, okay, how about, okay.

Let's go to somebody else who would be, not a person necessarily of note or of name, but somebody you've seen in a lot of movies and he's a great actor and we have a personal connection to him and he would be great. He's not exactly Sean Penn, but he's fantastic. And do you know who that person was? It's all right. Louis Guzman. Louis Guzman.

We offered it to Louis Guzman. Yeah. Because I was buddies with Louis. So I just texted him. And Louis was like more willing to do it and there was just a schedule thing and then he just couldn't do it. That's right. But Louis might have done it like if he was in town and had an opportunity.

Louis would have been amazing. He would have been amazing. I love that guy. I don't know. I love that guy. Why are we not on the show? I don't know. It's crazy that we have a close connection to him.

But now we're in a position where people say, hey, I love Sonny. Can I do, I'd love to do an episode. And then we think about it. We talk about it. And we maybe say, yeah, Greg, we're shooting at this period. Are you available? Nah, man, I'm just not available. And it just never works.

Ever. Ever. Yeah. But it's also, it's also, there's also rarely ever a guest star role on our show that would be worthy of those people's time, right? So I, you know, I think of some of those people and I'm like, I want to put them on the show, but I want to put them in something that's like not just, you know, us, like the usual guest star, which is us being insane and, you know, the person sitting across from us

very grounded and real like, what is happening? You know, well, literally saying what is happening. I will also say, I do think maybe it was a blessing in disguise where from a creative standpoint where, you know, when you have your pick and anyone who's anyone can play the guy working out of a garage named bingo, right? You know, it becomes so top heavy in a way where it can pull the audience out or suddenly they're like, wait, holy shit, that's that guy. That's Sean Penn.

That's Sean Penn. What is he doing on the show? Absolutely. It's always been fun to me to mostly populate the show with people you've either never seen or don't have preconceived notions of, you know. Yeah. Sean Penn would have been good. Sean Penn would have been good.

This was the only, the only season really where we had so many characters who played real characters like those gangsters are almost like cartoon, cartoon characters. They're so funny, but we very rarely do it. So funny. Yeah. Do you guys remember casting those guys? How you, what about casting them? I think just the usual way.

I think we look, I think we just looked at casting, right guys? I mean, we didn't know who those guys were. I think we just cast who we found to be the funniest in their auditions. And then it was really interesting because I don't think the three of them knew each other, yet they instantly became like this like trio of, they were chat, I believe is the word. What? Pysons.

Pysons is the word. Pysons. Oh, okay. Yeah. You guys keep talking. I'm going to be right, I don't know. I'm going to be right back. Okay.

All right. I don't think those guys knew each other, but they, they came together and it was almost like they were a, like a comedy trio, like almost instantly, look at this fucking guy. Holy shit. Wow. That's a good move. That's some, that's some, that's some, uh, that's not the kind of, you know, it's funny. I thought about doing that same bit.

I was like, if I had some really big mobster glasses and I don't, I was like, but if I had big, like kind of mobster glasses, I would wear them. This is more for, yeah. So there's less of a gangster thing and more of, I'm just looking at myself in this camera and I feel like I want to bash my, my own head into the, into the wall. So. Oh wow. Let's talk about that.

Let's talk about that. This is sort of me hiding. What do you think? You think you look puffy? You look puffy. I love you, Rob. You're handsome. You're talented.

You're smart and forget about it. Hey, forget about your stupid, you forget about it over here. So this, for any of the creeps out there and I'm, I'm wearing sunglasses now and as I'm looking at it now, it truly is the, this was a look adopted by gangsters in the thirties and the forties and the fifties. When they got called in front of congressional hearings, they would, they would get called. There's this famous, famous guy named Joey Gallo, crazy Joe Gallo and he got called before Congress to testify in the Senate and he wore these glasses like that almost look exactly

like this. So what, what sells gangster more than going into fucking testifying in front of the Senate and not taking your sunglasses off? And like, I think he had like a toothpick and he was like picking, picking his teeth and putting on a show. Yeah. I mean, that was the, that's the most amazing thing about those hearings is the like defiant sarcasm.

Yeah. You're on it. Like, you know, like never heard of a gangster. Last. I think the whole room like kind of chuckles a little bit and they're like, like, sir, please take these proceedings seriously. Like, you know, what line of work are you in? Construction.

Sorry, please say it with less sarcasm. A little less sarcasm, sir. Oh, like what? Yeah. They, I mean, just open, open defiance and then, yeah, because why not? What's the worst case scenario? Oh, wait. You know, forever, but you know, you're getting, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So why are you wearing the sunglasses is so bright with the glare off your pearly white skin. Why is it that there's like a charm to it? Well, because they're living outside of social norms, so it's, it's kind of, it's kind of exciting to get it from being on the outside and looking in. Yeah. We love, we love, we love rebellious behavior. We love rebels and we love any sort of form of rebellion here.

It's baked into our culture here in America, you know, to, to, to like rebels and like, you know. Yeah. Everybody wants to whack somebody off and get away with it, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. We're going right for that cheap joke in that episode right in.

That's a joke that we, I don't think would make any more like, you know, just talking about whacking us off. So stupid, so stupid, but funny, but funny, you know, it's just good lighting as fresh morning sun. I'm a freshman coffee. Maybe I'll grab some sunglasses, too, because I actually need them. I'm just, I'm just loopy. It's podcasts, just podcasts.

This off the rails, this one, we're going to have to get this, we're going to have to whack this podcast. Since everybody's getting up, I'm going to check to see who's knocking on my door. Okay. I'm going to leave this part in the podcast for none of your hair, just there we go. He's a foggy as hell. He's a foggy as fuck. Do you think that the, do you think that the sunglasses thing was a, was a defiance thing

or was it like a recognition that, okay, everybody's gone. I'm talking. I'm here. I'm here. I want the opposite. I'll put on my sunglasses, too. What do you mean? We can't fucking see you now.

Yeah. He turned off all the lights. What is happening? No. I took my sunglasses off, but I turned all the lights off and I closed the shades. But the thing is, it's like the original thing where we could see your face, your regular face was the best look. And then you put on sunglasses and a hat and it actually made, I would argue, you looked

worse. It just looked weird. And now you just, now you look like you're in a fucking found footage movie. What was that movie? The Blair Witch Project? Yeah. You look like you're in the fucking Blair Witch Project. Yeah.

I'm getting Blair Witch vibe for sure. Turn the lights on. Forget about it. Rob has like the most confidence of anybody, but then when he doesn't, he goes hard in the opposite direction. Like then he has none at all. It's very strange. Right.

Well, he oscillates between extremes, doesn't he? Yeah. That's true. Glenn, do you think if I, my grandpa kept his last name Dale Giorno, I could have gotten cast in gangster movies or I just looked too like Irish and they would have been like, his name is Dale Giorno, but he doesn't have, it doesn't look enough, the part. I mean, you don't, yeah, you don't, you don't look, you don't look Italian for what, you know, everyone else who got in there.

But wait, how, how much, how much are you Italian? Like what, how many? Like half. Same as Robert De Niro, a quarter. Wait, De Niro's a quarter Italian? Quarter, yeah. I have the same exact, like if you look up, oh, he has like the English and Italian and Irish and it's the same like spread.

Is he? Oh boy. He looks Italian as hell. I never knew that. You know who's my favorite Italian actor, talking about gangster movies, Roberto Bonini. I could watch Roberto Bonini do anything. I've only seen him. He only did the one movie, didn't he?

I mean, I saw he's, he did about 500 Italian movies. Yeah, exactly. I could find him. Yeah. He did a couple like, um, he did, um, oh Christ, yeah, maybe we do have to move these podcasts later. Jim Jarmusch. Jim Jarmusch moved down by law, as we find that.

Remember when we started the episode complaining about shit? I can't hear him at all. It's all dead. He's gone, right? Is this crazy? This is crazy. We should just, we should just, hey everybody, it's time to subsidize Megan's rent to get apparently she's broke overseas, not going to make it back to the States.

I put together a very sufficient UK travel fund, but I didn't convert it to pounds. Sorry, Meg. So your dollars are only as valuable as the queen decrees. Right. So who's going to float you the cash this time? How, how are you going to get it? Well, this time it's our friends at Liquid IV who are fueling life's adventures with their delicious and super efficient electrolyte delivery powder.

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the first episode, was like, he's got very beautiful hands. Oh, it's his name. Oh, shoot. I don't remember his name, but he is so, he had this delivery that was felt. He just felt, he feels like a very, he feels like a very real person. Like it doesn't seem, it weirdly doesn't feel like he's acting to me. It seems like a... Yeah.

It was so relaxed and natural. Yeah. And I remember us kind of leaning into the feeling, what is he doing? And giving him more and more as we went, like I don't think he had as much scripted and then being like, hey, can we actually give that to this guy and have him say the thing like, and maybe use, if we may or may not. His rhythm in the little speech that he gives at Friday is just so funny, ending it with a little beat and then, and that's Friday.

And that's Friday. And that's Friday. It might have been those guys' decision to be eating the sandwiches, like his, like his decision to come walking up in the sandwiches. No, I think that was a Roselle. I think that was a Roselle thing. I think it was like, yeah, these guys should just always be eating like lunch meats, deli sandwiches and lunch meats, like just a total, like just the most stereotypical possible

thing to constantly be eating fucking deli meats. I very much enjoyed the tango and cash bit at the, at the beginning. Let's move. That's just just a great, it's just, it just just made me laugh, although I will say from a technical standpoint, Rob, if I had it to do all over again, and this is very technical, I would have let you get out a little bit more of Kurt Russell's name before cutting you off. You know?

What? I just think it would have been a, just a, just a hair funnier, like 2% funnier if I just heard a little bit. For those who, and for those who don't know who started tango and cash. You got to get this correct. The specifics are important, but I like how we, we just got away from, we would, every episode we would sort of reset and then show in the cold open what the problem was. So we would, we would suggest that, hey, we need money, right?

Isn't, isn't that kind of what we're going for? It's like, okay. So we're saying we need money to fix something. Yeah. And then all of a sudden this opportunity for money comes into the bar, which we just got rid of, I guess, pretty quickly after that, where we realized the audience just doesn't, doesn't care that we need money in this particular episode. Well, in some ways it, it, who doesn't want money, right?

So it, it would have been fine to have us just talking about whatever the hell we wanted to talk about and then have them come in and be like, look what we found. Like, why not? But I think we needed a couple of seasons to get there narratively, right? Where so the audience knows, okay, Frank really sports these guys and, and like his whole thing in this is like, I'm done bailing you out, right? Fix your own damn lights. Right.

Right. We were setting that up. So like, yeah. And then by the time we got to the fourth season, we really didn't need to lay any of that. You know, we, the rules were established. Frank has the money. We have no money. We're bad with money.

It's also interesting to watch, to watch Frank be sort of the, the, the straight man, the moral compass in the episode, the one who's like, you know what I mean? Like it's just, it's so funny to think how far that character is coming. He does eventually, you know, become like Pimp. So I mean, he, he gets there very quickly. He gets there very quickly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. All that stuff is so good. How about the, how about the, how about the jockey? How about that? It comes great. Oh man. I think if I recall correctly, that was a standard as a practices note where he couldn't buster, couldn't do a line off your dick and, and he couldn't do a line off your cock,

but he could do a line off your boner and let busting do a line off your boner, which was 10 times funnier. Well, it's always funnier when they put us in a box and we got to come up with some other thing. I had no recollection of picking up the horse poop. What a stupid and fun joke. It's like, you know, you have problem with what? I'm just like, pick it up.

Normally we'd use a shovel for that, but do each his own jockey culture, a jockey culture in which they're all just partying and blowing rails and fucking each other is fascinating. It's a great joke because it's not something that you associate with jockeys at all. It's like something that we just completely invented, like, that they're just parties. Me confusing them with a lawn jockey is fun. Lawn jockeys are so magical. Well, also the idea that, the idea that, like, you know what a lawn jockey is, but you didn't know that jockeys were real.

You just thought they were like lawn ornaments. You didn't know jockeys were even a thing. You know what I mean? A miniature man on a horse, the way that Frank convinces you to become a pet. Yeah. I also sort of hear a guy like that. Let's just talk about that actor, the actor who plays the jiggalo who recruits me. That guy was so funny, man.

He's so funny. I think he had done, I think he had done mostly soap operas at that, up to that point. Like something makes me think he was like a soap actor. And I don't know, it's just another guy that we, I think, just auditioned. But this is the concept that he pays this guy. Well, he's going to give him 20 bucks, and then he just stiffs him, gives him 10. And then he stiffs him. And then he stiffs him.

Yeah. And then I love that we stayed on that, but we made the choice to stay on him and let him go fully back to, like, putting the hair net on and starting to wash the dishes. Gives the guy, like, a little nod that he's working. Well, do you remember who that security guard is, Glenn? The guy that kicks us out? Big Will. Oh yeah, Big Will.

Yes, the guy that kicks us out is this guy named Big Will. And he, I met him at Gold's Gym in Venice Beach. He was a trainer there, but he's a bodybuilder. And man, I mean, if anybody has seen Pumping Iron or is into bodybuilding at all, they know of Venice Gold's, it's a famous gym that Arnold Schwarzenegger used to work out. And they're still, I don't know, at any given moment, there's 15 to 20 bodybuilders in their working out. And Will was amongst the biggest.

Yes, yeah, professional bodybuilders who, you know, do what Schwarzenegger did, like, you know, Mr. Universe's and shit like that, like, it's the, what do they call it, the Mecca of Bodybuilding? Yeah. And so, I remember the wardrobe department had tried to, so we wanted to have him in a specific thing because there was other security guards or whatever. So it was like a uniform. And the wardrobe department couldn't find clothes that fit him.

So they had to, they had to make his clothes. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's not leave out the fact that Big Will was also your trainer for a period of time at Gold's too. It's not just a guy that you knew. Oh, you trained with Big Will? Yes. That's what he did.

He was a, he was a trainer at Gold's. I wasn't necessarily going for his physique, but he was, he trained in all sorts of different body types, I suppose. I mean, the number of, the number of years it takes to pack on that much mass, you know, that's not just the kind of mass that where you're ballooned up, you know, and then the second you stop like two months later, you're back down, you know what I mean? Like the kind of mass where you're just layering on like dry meat. It's called bulk, but a dirty bulk.

A dirty bulk is when you put on weight by any means necessary. So you're not, you're not, you're not concerning yourself. You're, listen to me, listen to me. You put, I'm telling you, you put on weight by any means necessary. You do whatever it takes. Okay. I don't care if you got to go to McDonald's from sunrise or sunset, you go. That's exactly what it means.

Well, because it, you got to kill a kid, jump up, go to the computer, do it, do it, you got to get the weight done. That is truly exactly what it means where you, because you're in a restaurant, you get up from your table, you see another table of people still haven't eaten, you go down that food court, you get there, you get it in, and you get the fuck out of there. Whatever you got it, I could do a whole episode on any means necessary, Frank and Charlie feelings though, they have to eat by any means necessary. That's an episode.

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of my two finger hammering, which is basically how I, it's amazing the amount of sunny episodes that have been written like, you know, like an old typewriter or something, I mean, Mary Elizabeth makes fun of me. She's like, are you trying to break the computer? I think I didn't break the computer until I uploaded the most recent version of a Google Chrome and the computer was like, nope, not doing it guy. And the whole thing sort of fell apart, but here we are trying to salvage what's left. Glenn obviously can't be here because it's not his day off from the movie he's doing.

So he's working. Rob said he could be here and now Rob is two minutes late. Okay. So I'm, I'm enjoying this and I'm enjoying the, I remember when he said, I gave him to me. Okay. All right. And here he is.

Folks. I'm not late. Just two minutes. The same amount of weight I was Rob is wearing his best forget about his shirt. That's pretty good. Did you do that intentionally? You know what? I had a shirt, I have this shirt in my closet.

I've had it in there for about a year and I keep, you know, you have those, that clothing and you think like one day I'm going to wear that and then I was doing a little clean spring cleaning. I'm going to get rid of a bunch of stuff in my closet and I looked at that shirt and I said, no, I'm going to, I'm going to wear that one day and Caitlin said, you haven't worn it in a year. It's time to get it out of the closet and I said, I'm going to wear the shirt today. What do you think?

Besides the shirt, did you, did you bring your mic to this recording or while he sets up his mic, I'll describe the shirt to the audience. So it's sort of, it's like a bubblegum purple. That's great. It has like, like a white, white outline. So like an outline around the collar outline piping really sort of a funny idea, which is like, like telling people like where the things are in case you don't see the collar, we'll let you know the collar is right here.

And it has a bit of a, of a, of a Goomba kind of Italian flair to it, which I personally like. I feel like you could keep a pack of cigarettes in that front pocket and, but could a mobster ever wear that color though? Oh yeah. Yeah. That's the thing about that. Yeah.

A lot of mobsters can wear whatever they want. Joyful colors. Yeah. There was a, there was a stewardess on the flight who was talking so closely into the little, sorry, there was a flight attendant on the, on the, um, genderless, uh, aircraft that we were, uh, crossing the sky and no, airplanes are very clearly men. They're just giant dicks. Yeah.

On the flying penis with wings and, uh, the flight attendant, um, was talking so closely into the thing and with such a heavy accent that it was completely, you couldn't make a single word of it. So it really sounded like. And then you're like, oh, that's amazing. That's a great imitation of everything you hear at an airport. Everywhere you go. That's all you hear.

Yeah, that's true. You're sitting waiting in the jetway or waiting for the flight. And you're like, well, the next time we're, we should have the next on American Airlines. Yeah. Cause they've said it a thousand times and they're over it. I think I, they were telling me about my time going to see a Siegfried and Roy with Mary Elizabeth and we were in Vegas and it was like their, they said they're like, this is our, you know, 60,000th show and they were so over it that you could tell they were

saying the things just automatically. So they kind of said everything with a sigh, like the power of magic, the power of life, the power of magic is on all of us. Touch sabers. And then they would like touch the sabers and they would kind of dance across the stage like the power of, the power of a tiger is the power that is in you and me. Cat on. Touch sabers.

Do we say that out loud? Yeah. They say it out loud. Touch sabers. Yeah. As if to be like, touch my fucking saber Roy or I swear to God, if you don't touch my saber. Wow.

Of course the cat, the cats eventually had enough of that shit. Oh yeah. Yeah. The big cats had enough. They had enough. Rob, cleaning out your closet, was it a, did you get as much satisfaction out of that as I do? When I throw stuff away, it is the greatest feeling ever.

I'm like, oh, why did I have this thing for so long? Yeah. It's one of those quality of life things that you know every time you, I look in my closet and it's just a mess and I'm thinking like, one day I'm going to, I'm going to clean this out. I'm going to get rid of half this stuff. And then I, I don't. And then over this past week and I decided I was just going to commit to it and I did

it and I feel great. Not as good as Meg would feel if she organized her closet because I think she, she enjoys that very much. Yes. One time I did all my bathroom drawers and I like put in little dividers in them. So like everything within the drawer was like divided, like every bobby pin was like in its special place and then I took a photo of it when I was done because it was so, so satisfying.

I believe you sent that photo to me. I probably did send it to you. Yeah. I recently did that as well. I mean, I was throwing out like a half a bottle of like some kind of like antibiotic I took and then stopped taking like in 2016 or something like, why do I still have this in the, I get busy. Yeah.

I get busy. Yeah. Somebody celebrated a birthday this week. Big news. Who is that? Big news. Megan, do you like birthdays or do they embarrass you? I, I generally like birthdays because usually I feel pretty accomplished by the time I like

hit my birthday. Like it always helps if I'm like starting a new job right around my birthday and for whatever reason for a lot of years working in TV, I would start a writer's room in June. So I was like, Oh, it's like this, this thing of like, Oh, you're, you're not the same as you were last year. You know, there's something new happening in your life. But this year was a little tough. I turned 38 and I was like, I don't know why I was, I guess it's because I finished a job

or like I'm coming to the end of mythic quest. And then I was like traveling and I've just been like eating and drinking all the time and like not exercising or doing anything. So it was kind of rough, but on my birthday, I decided to jump rope for 38 minutes. And so I did that. And that made me feel good. But my calves are still so sore that it like when I go upstairs, I would settle for 38 jumps.

Yeah. 38 jumps is good. Can we stop? Let's stop down on that for a second. That's psychotic. What she just described is psychotic. She doesn't jump rope on the regular. She just decided out of the blue on my 38th birthday, I'm going to jump rope for 38 minutes.

Anybody who's ever jumped rope knows that after one minute you're exhausted. It's extraordinary. Yeah. Yeah. I once did it. Had like I was doing a workout thing where it was like, OK, and then the guy like sent me like, hey, do some jump roping. And I think that it was like 10 minutes and 10 minutes of straight jump roping was awful.

Yeah. It's brutal. The guy was like, nah, I'm done. Never again. It was really, really brutal. Yeah. I have an ability to like shut my brain off from my body in that if my body is like, this hurts.

I'm like, I don't have to listen to you and just like keep going. So I just did that for 38 minutes. Yeah, that's the mega I know. I mean, that's psychotic. She has the ability to just bear down on something. She has a goal and she will accomplish that goal regardless of the physics, regardless of the reality of her health, regardless of whatever might stand in her way. So it does not surprise me that she did 38 minutes at all.

Well, I tried to get on Sunny for eight years and I did that. Before you came on Sunny, where did the gang get whacked episodes rank in your enjoyment of the show? It was pretty, it was pretty high up there. I mean, my all time favorite is the gang gives Frank an intervention. So I'm really excited for when we get to that episode because I've probably watched that episode like 50 times. I love that episode.

We haven't discussed Danny's friend Chacha yet, right? Because we haven't gotten to the road yet, but he makes an appearance in this season. Yes. And he makes an appearance in the road trip episode, right? Yeah. Isn't that season? Is that the next season? Is that the season?

Yeah, he's the guy that we buy the pair from that has the sticker on it. And Chacha was like Danny's old buddy. He met him because he was Tony Danza's fight promoter. Is that correct? I think that was what it was. Yes. So in the taxi days. Yeah.

Chacha definitely was a connected guy. Yeah. I think we can talk about this now because Chacha was no longer with us and I think it's okay. And he was never open about it, but I think it was pretty clear that Chacha was connected. Chacha knew some people. The best guy. He was the best.

He was the best. He was the best. He was the nice guy. Yeah. What do you know as to the whole mafia thing? I pretty much only know what I know from movies and TV and maybe one book that I read. But how much of it is an actual organization and how much of it is communities of people so that there's overlap, where it's like a community in let's say Staten Island or

Jersey where yes, there's a group of very clearly people who are in these organized crime families and then there's like some people that it's like maybe like Chacha where it's like he knows everyone who grew up with them. He might get a favor here and there, but he's not on the payroll. That would be the difference between a maid man and a connected guy. So the maid men are like the actual members of the family and there used to be, well, I guess they still exist, but there's five major crime families in New York and then there's like all the ancillary people that are around it and connected to it, like maybe

drug dealers on the streets or things like that, but the maid members of the family, I think depending on which family you were in, there was only like a couple hundred of them worldwide. Rob probably knows more about this because he reads more mafia books than me, but I once read a book about the history of the cosinostra, and how it started in Sicily. And there was a lot of overlap between it just being like a neighborhood thing because basically what happened was Sicily just kept getting invaded by a bunch of different countries and so they were changing governments like all of the time.

So the people that lived there year round needed somebody that was like consistent that they could turn to. So there were usually these people within the town that were like, you know, their dons. For instance, they're like oversaw the things that they needed in their community. And so it really grew out of like a need of consistency and having, you know, that neighborhood like connection. And so it's always been from that. And like, I don't know what the translation of that to New York was, but that's really

where it came from. And then eventually it was like, you know, there was lots of lemon groves in Sicily, which made a lot of money. And there were people walking around being like, God, it'd be a shame if these lemon groves all burnt to the ground. Maybe you should pay us to protect them. And there's a lot of that. I would hate to see it.

But according to Cha Cha, whenever the mafia ever came up, he would always smirk and say, what mafia? There's no mafia. So he never talked about it, really. But then he would tell these crazy stories, crazy stories that were so funny, really. I never heard of like the violence or anything like that. It was more just like crazy. He used to, he was in charge of putting on the fireworks show for the San Gennaro Festival

on Mulberry Street every year. Now, fireworks are illegal in New York City, private citizens can't just set off fireworks. So not only do they have to transport them across state lines, but then he actually set them off. And one time he blew himself up. He blew himself up on Mulberry Street. He said he was thrown from the street, almost onto somebody's porch and into their living room.

I had to go to the hospital. I bet. Yeah. He blew himself up. He was blowing the safety. Blowing the safety. Blowing on someone's couch. Oh, Cha Cha.

They're doing it. Yeah. You know, Danny, though, I remember specifically not wanting to do anything that was, for him, too stereotypical sort of mobster Italian, just wanting to say like, hey, I don't mind doing an episode where we talk about these characters that do exist, um, and these sort of types, but also he didn't want to go down that route. So like when we were writing it, you know, made sure that like it wasn't like, and then Frank had some connections and a connected guy, like we avoid that pretty much completely

in that storyline. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we don't want to draw the stereotype of like all Italians being gangsters or something. I think that he was very conscious of that, which I think was more of a, more of an issue back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, like around that Godfather time when it was such a huge part of the popular culture. And I know that there was like the Italian American League that was created in New York

City to sort of come back that there was a lot of prejudice against Italians. Of course, that was started by a gangster, um, who was trying to throw people off the scent. Joe Colombo, who was the head of the Colombo crime family. You know what? Let's not talk about any of this. Let's just cut all of this. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to wind up in her fucking taking a cement bath because I'm actually Italian too, Charlie. Do you know that? My dad's side, his mother was born in Italy, um, and her name was Ann DeLalas and her father's name was Caesar DeLalas and her, um, and his wife's name was Conchetta DeApollonio. And they came over literally through Ellis Island.

So we're good. We're, we're good. We're good. DeLalas though. Wow. DeLalas. Um, yeah. Yeah.

So, uh, yeah, but, but there were, there were prejudice against Italians, uh, because we were also like around World War II. We were in a war with Italy, you know? So, um, yeah, that's why my grandfather, no, I guess it was my grandfather that officially changed his name from Delgerna today because it was like, eh, let's just try to get rid of this Italian thing. Uh, but he couldn't change his nose and his face, but he did eventually through his, through children.

He just watered that down and, uh, homogenized into the, where's Glenn? Should we discuss that? He's not here. I mentioned it briefly before you popped on, but, um, you know, we are, we had technical difficulties. What are you going to do about it? You know, the main thing is that the show goes on, you know, that, that someone can drive to work and be entertained.

This is what, this is what we're, this is the point of it. So if the entertainment is that none of us can get our damn computers to work, then that's what's funny. You know? Are you feeling better about your face today is an actor mode today? I feel better today. Yeah. I feel, well, it's, it's not, it's not five, I was jet lagged and it was five, four in

the morning and people don't want to hear me complain, but, um, but I feel better today. Yeah. It's better not to do it at five in the morning for sure. Yeah. That's, that was, that was, unless we're all like in the same space and five in the morning, but until we can all be together again. Yes. Yeah.

That would be fun. But again, I think we've covered this too. I like the idea of somebody who's on their way to work right now. Uh, he's, he's driving there to work. It's, it's about five AM and he's hearing us complain about sitting in front of a computer and talking because it's too early. I left all that into, Oh, was that, was that from that episode? Yeah.

From this episode. Yeah. I was just complaining it because Glenn did that funny run about a champagne problems and you complaining about your pod being next to somebody else's pod on the plane. It's funny. By the way, I was champagne, I don't like champagne. So champagne alone is a problem for me, you know, I don't, I don't care for it. I don't care.

I don't care for the taste. I don't care for the taste. I don't care for the taste. Oh yeah. The first couple of times I had it, I was like, wow, this is refreshing and sparkly and light and amazing and then I was like, it's like a cup of pure sugar. You guys are wrong. It's delicious.

You like the champagne? I think Meg was drinking champagne in the last episode. She was. I cut that out though. No, fuck that. Wait a second. You cut out that you, you're, you're giving too much power. We have abdicated too much power to Megan.

She cuts out her drinking champagnes but keeps in our champagne problems. All right. You know what? I'll cut it in right now. I'll cut it in a series of every time I drink champagne. Okay. Great. Just a quick couple of cuts.

I feel like there's one episode where you had had some cocktails and people called you on it because they said you kept winking. I did. Yeah. You did? You actually were? No, that's funny. No.

Well, I said at the beginning of the newlywed game that I had a couple, I had a couple of champagnes and people in the comments were like, I could tell because she was winking and I told her, what is that? That's great. You can't, I love it. It's involuntary. You can't stop. I can't.

You can't stop from winking. This maybe transitions to the question I had for you guys from this episode, which is, so in the episode, Charlie's talking about nose clams. He's trying to use that as a, as a, as a winky way to say cocaine. So I wanted to ask you guys, have you ever like used code? Had to use code to get something like coded language, or had it used with you that you either knew at the time or then like found out later? I mean, had to is a, I think like maybe in high school, you know, you might have, someone,

there might have been like, when you really used to have to like hide weed or whatever it was, you know, maybe would have used code for that, but no, I don't think. I had a, I mean, aside from my work at the CIA, I mean, aside from the COVID operation I've been doing. We had a, we had a word in grade school that was sort of a catch-all. And it started because we stole a pack of, of one of my friend's parents' new ports and we were smoking menthol cigarettes. This is fifth grade, sixth grade, just to be disgusting, I don't know what we're doing.

And we were, we would like smoke the cigarettes, but, and then we were like, thought we were so cool. And then, but we knew, we knew we couldn't call them cigarettes or new ports when we're talking about them. So we call them Cinemax. And the reason we call them Cinemax was because Cinemax was a cable channel. Does that even exist anymore, Cinemax? I think so.

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it is. But it was a cable channel where I didn't, we didn't have cable, but I would go to his house and like late at night, Cinemax would turn into Skinamax and it would be the time where you could see like naked people on, on, on TV, it would show all the soft-core

porn stuff. So then Cinemax became this catch-all term for anything that was, whether any kind of like paraphernalia, drug-related, no, no, I wasn't into drugs, but like even pot, drinking alcohol, cigarettes, nude, nude magazines, everything became Cinemax. It does still exist, Cinemax, by the way. It does. Yeah. That's totally what I remember it being.

Apparently it was like launched in the early 80s. So that's what it was known for then. Yeah. Soft, like soft-core porn, yeah. I just had a memory. I don't know what made me think of this, but my, my buddy Aaron lived in my neighborhood and his neighbor had to like, like disappear to the middle of the night. I remember this was a story that was like, there was a couple that had been living there

and they were really shady and then they like took off and the cops were there and, and no one's seen them, right? And so of course, as kids do, we're like, great, let's go sneak into their house and see what's going on there. So, so we, we snuck into the house and we were poking around and it was weird as shit. There was like a bunch of wigs, like a bunch of like wigs. And we found like a couple like different like IDs for like the same person and knives and like a pack of parliament cigarettes.

So we're like, well, let's try one of these awful, didn't care for it. You know, we're maybe too young to get hooked on that, but like, just be like, take a puff. And then that eerie feeling of like, we should get out of here. But yeah. That's why they were feeling you might like, how many times you might have like crossed with someone who's like a real life gangster and just, of course you don't know, right? Like you have no idea. Like, well, whitey bilger, whatever his name, bulger, bulger, whitey bulger, whitey bulger.

Yeah, bulger. He lived in Santa Monica. He lived in Santa Monica. Yeah. Just hanging out. That area we run Meg sometimes down San Vicente, he lived in one of those apartments there. Absolutely.

I know. It's, it's crazy. I wonder how many times you've crossed paths, crossed paths with someone who's murdered someone else. I mean, or like a serial killer or something. Serial killer, I bet that's rare because I think they're not too common. I always think, you know, how people say, like, if I got to talk to God, I would ask him, like, what's the, or her, sorry, where, don't do that, where, like, why do bad things

happen to good people or what's the meaning of life and everything? And I would always ask questions like that, which is like, what's the crazy, like, have I ever been right next to a serial killer or what's the closest I've ever been to being murdered and then didn't get murdered? Like things like that. Well, I thought about having you murdered a couple of times, you know, like, I thought it'd be funny. Then I thought it'd be sad to be like really sad for your friends.

Then he started getting famous and I thought, well, it'd be a good story, right? I'm a good story. And then one day, you know, you were kind of like, you made a joke about me and I was like, fuck, you all have a murder. But mostly I would just forgot about it. You know, I had a whole list of things I was dealing with and forgot to have you chopped up. I mean, Christ, I mean, there's so many things you could ask God, be like, why are people?

Why? How's this part of your plan? What the fuck are you doing? Bitch. Yeah. Child leukemia. What's that about? Why?

Leukemia to little kids. You fucking bitch. If it's a woman, if it's a man, it's still a bitch. Oh God, I have the fear of the lightning bolt now. You know what I mean? That's the upbringing. I'm in a joke. I'm going to get blasted in your mind.

God is Zeus. He throws lightning bolts. Oh, most definitely. Where do you come from? Yeah. I don't know. Cross paths with some crazies. We're kitchen.

What else? We lost. We lost Ray Leota. Oh, yeah. People who play gangster. And Charlie, you've worked with Ray. I had the pleasure of working with Ray on my movie yet to be released, and he was jazzed on it, man.

I had shown him it, and he was really excited, I think, to be in a comedy. And you know, he had said, I don't know if you'd ever seen the show, but he had said he would love to have been on Sunny. So he was like, and why don't you have me on your TV show sometime? I was like, absolutely. I'm thinking of something for him. Oh God. You could have asked him.

You could have Sean Penn. Maybe he would have told her. At the time, no. Yes. No. Not at the time. At the time, we probably could not have cast him either. Well, we would have tried, and he would have turned it down.

That is the funny thing, too. I do sort of feel like people are like, yeah, I'd love to do your show, and then you can't. Remember we had that with Sam Jackson, where I feel like you and I bumped into him or something, and he said he really liked the show? And then so we tried to reach out to him for something, and it's like we couldn't even get past the walls. And I'm like, God, don't tell me the guy won't do it. The guy answers the phone like, I'm in.

Who's calling? Right? That's basically, you know. What is it? What are we selling? I'm in. I am in. What's on the plate?

What's on the plate? Oh, hell yeah. I'm in. Fucking snakes. I'm in. Who is this? I literally saw, I was with Jason Bateman, and his phone rang, and I swear to God, as a bit, but also he actually answered it this way.

The phone was ringing. I said, are you going to answer that? He took it out of his pocket. He goes, yes, I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. Hi, it's Jason.

Sam Jackson, man. I feel like really, you know, there are certain stars that sort of open the doors for people to say you can do a bunch of, you can do a bunch of things and still survive it. Yeah. And he's one of them, man, where he was like, no, I'm, fuck you. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do the credit card commercial and, and I'm going to keep working with Quentin or whoever, you know, like what a talent, what a talent, Sam Jackson. Open in the doors, Charlie, you're one of those guys.

You're one of those guys. Yeah. You're showing, showing people you can do everything. That's right. I saw you and I saw you in a green suit. Yeah, buddy. In the NBA playoffs. Yeah.

Pretty sweet. Paying for the reshoots of that film. Hell yeah. Courtesy of Mountain Dew. I love it. It's a funny spot. What are your favorite mobster movies, guys? You want to talk about that?

I mean, Goodfellas is hard to, hard to, goodfellas is a massive piece. I think I've seen, yeah, I think I've seen Goodfellas more than any other movie, maybe. Cause that, that's a movie that if it's on and you're flipping through the channels, I'll just stop and watch it no matter what. And Casino's pretty great as well, but goodfellas is just amazing. And the Godfather movies. I watched the Godfather. Yeah.

Godfather's one and two, at least once a year. Yeah. One and two. I'll watch them at least once a year. And my cousin Vinny. I love that movie. My cousin Vinny's a good mob. Analyze this.

I mean, come on. There's so many. There's so many. There's so many good ones. But I think Goodfellas. I'm re-watching the Sopranos right now, which is also fantastic. I know, good mobster stuff. I have a, there's a nostalgia I have watching these episodes for the, where we were as people

filming them. Uh, you know, the, just seeing the mobsters outside in the street, um, at the end of this first part episode and that really wide shot, was that Fred or was that Shackman? I think this was Matt Shackman, but I'll look it up. I think it's Shackman. I think it might have been Shackman too. Um, and just, you know, just the filming in Philly, how fun it was, but also that like, this was everything.

We really didn't have anything else going on. And I do really miss the sort of, uh, streamlined nature of that, which is that our attention was fully, look, this last season of Sunny, we weren't thinking about other things. Once we're in, we're in, you know? But at the same time, not only were we in, but we had everything riding on it. And I do miss that. Like there's something so, and you can only do that once, you can only do that early in your career.

Cause if it works and then you're successful, you'll never have that thing again of like just like the combination of the excitement of getting the opportunity, the excitement of having something to really prove. And then just the newness of it all. The newness of like, wow, we, we, you know, we're locking down locations. And where was it? Jackman, who did it? It was.

Yeah. It was Jackman. Yeah. And like this guy's pitching a shot from like across the street and we really haven't done something like that yet. And this is really interesting. And I love that high angle shot he has when you do the eyes, boom. And then you guys are shot from like above the whole time you and D when you're like

looking up into the camera. It's funny. I watched that again, thinking that was a mistake. Thinking that that would have played better. Oh, I thought that was so funny without our faces facing the camera, but that, no, because of that moment, not to argue with you about your own show, but because of that moment between you and D where you're arguing with each other about like you saying nose clams. It's more like you're in your own world cause we're on your faces and we can't see him as

opposed to like from his perspective, which would have, I agree with, with that in terms of like why it shot that way, but I actually feel like it moves the intent. This is a weird sort of just thing in my head, but it moves the intent to specifically to the point of view and that that argument might play better from, from his point of view where he has these two people staring up at the sky, arguing with one another as opposed to the audience's point of view where you get to see what they're, what they're looking at. Let's re-shoot it.

Let's re-shoot it, but I think, I think I remember this conversation happening on set. I think I remember you having, saying this to, to, to Shackman, you know what's interesting? How often that happens? That's very possible. Yeah. How often that happens where, where even in the podcast, sometimes I'll listen back to the podcast and I'll, I'll start, you'll say something and I'll start laughing and then I hear myself in the podcast laughing cause of course I still find the same thing funny,

but I'll do the same thing with the, with the episodes where I'll feel a certain way about how something was shot and then I'll remember back to a time where we were there on set and maybe feeling the same exact way. It carries over a decade later. You still feel the same way, even though you're wrong. I'm probably, probably wrong, but it's something that probably in the editing room, if, probably the way we decided on that is we probably looked at it the other way in the editing room. If we had the coverage and we said, yeah, it's actually better to jump up there cause

they're up, they're looking up there for so long. But it's almost like, I feel like I don't like when the camera tips the joke in a way, which is like, stay in the same coverage, but just where they're looking has changed. But yeah, maybe it just would have been too much of their chins and it wouldn't have been funny. Like in Dumpster Baby, when it's like from the baby's perspective, you guys were talking about that, like from the baby's POV was like too jokey of you. But I had a question actually about that moment because like there's a whole exchange between

Charlie and D where, where you're, you're talking about nose clams and she's like, it's confusing and you're like, it's not confusing. It's like, and there's a reference to like, we discussed this. Was that one of those instances where you had a scene before that bingo scene where you guys talked about how you were going to talk to bingo and then you cut it? Almost a hundred percent. Yeah. Yes.

It sounds like the kind of scenes we write all the time and then just gets to the editing room and you're like, well, something has to go and you're like, no, the audience will know what's happening. We don't have to have a scene saying we're going to, we're going to have this argument and then. I wonder if it would be fun if we could go back, we could ask our post production team to go back into the archives and find some of those scenes because most likely they were edited and then we cut them last minute to take some of those scenes that we felt were

unnecessary to the story. And again, generally deleted scenes are boring to watch because there's a reason they didn't make it into the show. But I wonder if after all of this time has passed, it might be kind of a cool way to look back at the show and what didn't make it in and why and kind of talk about that. We could have a whole podcast episode about that too. It could be the cut that cut. Yeah.

Cut that, cut that, cut that cut. Well, it's like every episode is different. I feel like I remember some of these earlier ones, like the molested episode or something, we cut down like under time, but then under time was the best version. And then some we were like, oh, there's no way to get out, it's dependent. It's amazing how often you're watching something and it feels long, but you look at the runtime and it's only 20 minutes and then you can watch something else that's 40 minutes long and it feels like you're ripping through it because you're so engaged all the way through.

Yeah. In fact, on this one specifically, did we clear that it was going to be a two-part episode with the network while in the writing process or was it something that in the editing room we had to break up into two episodes because we're like, there's too much content here. I don't remember to tell you the truth. I don't remember either. I know that that's happened a few times where we broke a story that was too long, but we loved the story.

Mac and Charlie Die was that where we were like, oh, this is too long. And then we went and we shot more scenes. We shot more scenes. That's exactly what happened. We shot more scenes. We had a new editor come in. Tim Roche has been with us from that point forward. And then we realized, oh, all we need to do is supplement this second half of this story

and we can have this be two episodes instead of one. And I believe that's when we brought the Glory Hall hole into it and Jan and the roommate. I know the whole orgy storyline was part of what was added into that for sure. But I think the Glory Hall thing was in from the beginning. That was from the beginning? Yeah. I definitely remember an index card being up on the wall for a full year that just said Glory Hall.

We were going to find a way to put that into an episode. That was the scene and we're going to head over ourselves, but that's the episode where we found Frank. You know what I mean? Where we really found, like, Frank's sort of casual attitude about the buffet at the orgy. We're like, okay, this is the guy. You know what I mean?

He's a little bit more like business, business, angry business guy in these first few seasons. And then just sort of like... It's interfering with my nosh, isn't that what he says? Casual, like, deli, deli me, guys, who you became. Also, that whole thing with him and the Charlie, like, mannequin thing that he's kind of carrying around because he misses you so much, that's sweet. Yeah, but the whole pimping Dennis out in this one is great. But we have a whole other half to talk about to get to.

And as I remember it, the second episode is funnier than the first save for the stuff with the jockey with Buster. Because that scene, that is one of the best jokes that we've done the entire season, I think, is doing a line off Buster's Boner. I kind of forgot it when we were watching it. I'd sort of forgotten that that's where it went, and I was very pleased. And then you just, like, look at him, and then you just leave, you know? Yeah, you know, there's no, um, what are you going to do?

You're either going to do it or you're going to leave. Yeah. Yeah.