The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - Jinkx Monsoon & Silencing One's Mind with Bebe Neuwirth with Katya

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

It's 1am as you stare at the crack in the ceiling. The wind rustles through the oak tree outside as you hear Jim next door drag his garbage can down the driveway. Pam's staying at her sister's because of her divorce, the kids get up at 6, and Katherine demanded chocolate chip pancakes with whipped cream and sprinkles. You have to catch the train at 7, and on top of that the big meeting is at 9am sharp and the Jenkins file isn't even done yet! How are you supposed to fall asleep when making your way in the world today takes everything you've got? The answer? Jinkx Monsoon's patented 4-step program: "Takin' a Break From All Your Worries Sure Would Help A Lot." In just four easy steps, your mind will be whisper quiet and you'll be counting sheep in no time. Step 1: turn on your television set. Step 2: Find your local programming guide to locate syndicated airings of Cheers. Step 3: Watch Sam, Diane, Coach, Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody, Frasier, Lillith, & Rebecca navigate life's roller-coaster of joy and pain in the titular bar and escape from the doldrums of the rat race with a live studio audience and light alcoholism. Step 4: Fall Asleep and get enough shuteye to slay the ever-loving shit out of that Jenkins file. Climb back on that porcelain throne, and make us proud! Feel the difference, daily with Ritual’s Synbiotic+. Get 25% off your first month at https://Ritual.com/BALD Happy Squatting! Take more control of your finances and stop waiting for payday! Open your account in minutes at https://Chime.com/BALD Chime. Feels like progress. FX’s English Teacher is Now Streaming on Hulu! All-New Mondays on FX! And keep an eye out for a special appearance by none other than Trixie Mattel!!! https://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/english-teacher Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://ZocDoc.com/BALD to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today! Follow Jinkx: @TheJinkx Follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel Follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo To watch the podcast on YouTube: http://bit.ly/TrixieKatyaYT Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast If you want to support the show, and get all the episodes ad-free go to: https://thebaldandthebeautiful.supercast.com If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast To check out future Live Podcast Shows, go to: https://trixieandkatya.com To order your copy of our book, "Working Girls", go to: workinggirlsbook.com To check out the Trixie Motel in Palm Springs, CA: https://www.trixiemotel.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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oh this is gonna be obnoxious okay welcome back to the bald and beautiful we have a special guest today Jinx Bonsu you look like a slut I dressed extra slutty for you i actually you look like a whore i've been i've been compiling outfits i look like a whore i thought i looked kind of like you look beautiful

like a slutty version of a matron you know like no no, no, no. You look like a young, slutty whore. Wonderful. Look at those legs. Gosh, and my skirt's riding up on this velvet. Give me a second. I picked this out for you because I really thought

this was an outfit you'd respond to. I'm responding extremely. I don't often wear separates. Since I started wearing dresses, that's like all I want to wear anyway. No, no, no. Dresses. Oh, dresses. Yeah.

Sheer stockings. Right. I only get about two, maybe like a week and a half, two weeks of sheer stockings before the hair grows back in and i have to switch to open i was gonna say they're not a run in those well i opened them today for this how thank you very much appreciate the fresh pair of stockings now uh what is it about sheer stockings that gets men so riled up do you think it's because you can see the leg but there's still a barrier there's something to take off there's like it's you know it's like the art of the tees yeah yeah right and then especially if you're wearing a thigh high oh oh and then you got tattoos oh my god every time like sheep i catch a guy looking at

for the listeners who are driving in their cars jinx is literally doing a like a like a hoochie coochie show right now it's rated r well i'm just so comfortable with you oh i love that necklace too thank you i got this in a beach town from some um ladies shop you know and you know what it reminds me of reminds me of sansa stark's chain necklace in game of thrones have you watched game of thrones no i haven't watched any of the i've also been kind of weird i love TV and I haven't been watching anything like all I watch is reruns of Cheers and Frasier I don't know why that

it's a classic TV and then Frasier is a spin off of Cheers oh I didn't know that Frasier was a character on Cheers before he got his own show I've also been watching King of Queens I have this weird like was a character on Cheers before he got his own show. I've also been watching King of Queens. I have this weird, like,

I go to sleep by turning my brain off. Do you sleep with the TV on? It starts on, and it's on a timer. I have to like dull my brain to sleep since alcohol's no longer an option. So I turn on what a friend of mine calls

smooth brain television. Everybody loves Raymond. King of Queens. It has to be something inane. That's too modern. That's too contemporary. It has to be something like but then the problem with these shows is it's funny that Cheers is from the 80s,

but shows from the 90s and the early 2000s have aged worse than shows in the 80s, probably because of the proximity to other things that were happening at that time, the fall of the Berlin Wall at all. What about MASH? MASH was terrible. Terrible.

Alan Alda. I don't know. I'm just thinking about Cheers here. And I'm really making an excuse for it because of Bebe Neuwirth. I just like her too much. What about Kirstie Alley? You know what? I'm capable of you know separating the kirsty alley from the kirsty alley from the rebecca howe absolutely as one should you i mean

she had yet to reveal she was a horrible person that's true do you do you feel like once a person reveals they're horrible you can't like anything past that point but you can still like oh that's interesting i mean i've never really put thought into this i'm i i mean i do like it's like every time she comes on and she's cute and charming i'm like you had it all you had the moon on a string. Queers loved you. Why'd you turn all mean? I know.

Why did you relate that anecdote where your parents got into a car accident and they were wearing Ku Klux Klan outfits? Because people, here's the thing, is that people think privilege is like getting things handed to you. No, it's like never having to worry yeah about shit never having to watch what you say because you know you can get your way out of it because of your privilege yeah that's the real privilege is not having to worry getting to walk through life without a care in the fucking world while the rest of us are trying to figure out how to survive in that same world.

The guy she was good in, Drop Dead Gorgeous. Like, God, oh, Drop Dead Gorgeous. Oh, I mean, see, like, I can't give up all, I'm sorry. I can't give up all Kirstie Alley joints because this is really making my skirt break. Because it would be punishing people like Ellen Barkin. Ellen Barkin. Allison Jean.

Allison Jean. I mean, that movie is... That movie has a lot of jokes that... No, don't age well. That don't age well. But you know what? The beauty of the internet is you don't have to watch movies anymore people just put the little clips that you like up right

what's your favorite movie i don't think i want a pashmina i wore this for you and the tweed and the velour we're gonna get want a pashmina? I wore this for you. And the tweed and the velour. We're going to get you a pashmina. No, I'm fine. I'll cross my legs like a whore. Like a whore that I am. Okay. Are you

going to ask me questions? Yes! We're going to talk about your incredible achievements. We're going to talk about your incredible achievements. Before we do that, though. Okay, sure. Do you know any foreign languages? Je parle un peu de français.

Okay. If you could become fluent overnight in a foreign language, but you had to chop off a finger, would you do it? Maybe. Which one would you do? Which language would you choose? I'd probably do this ring finger. Really?

Just because I'd probably get a cool decorative replacement a la Margot Tannenbaum. I've thought about this before. Okay. And which language would you learn? Which language would you acquire instantly? Japanese. Any other fingers? Oh, like per finger I get a language?

Yeah. Japanese I said because it's so far away from french yeah like french i can fake my way through other latin root languages okay um but that's okay that's. Yeah, I think just the one. I think I can branch out enough on my own from French. What about you? I think I'd take the whole left hand. Whole left hand for five languages, and what would they be? I'd do Mandarin. Mandarin.

Spanish. Arabic. Arabic. Hindi. Arabic Hindi and then maybe Pashto or Urdu and then then just get some

gold fingers you've thought about this yeah I mean cause you can do a lot with one hand you know what I just thought though maybe I'd give up another one

for ASL. I desperately want. But you can't. Oh my God. You can't. There's gotta be. There's gotta be. Shut up.

There's gotta be. There's gotta be a way to still do that. That is so funny. That is the funniest thing. Stop it. There is a deaf person with missing fingers. Just take it.

It's like, why is Katya laughing? No, it's like you wouldn't be able to trill your R's, but you could still speak Spanish. Okay, okay, yeah. I get it. Yeah, it's like you wouldn't be able to trill your R's, but you could still speak Spanish. Okay, okay, yeah. I get it. Yeah, yeah, I get it. You know. I think there's ways around it.

Yes, absolutely there is. Like you're going to get a gold hand for God's sake. Right. Right. I don't know if the fingers would move. How customized is this hand going to be? Is there going to be compartments? I don't know if the fingers would move. How customized is this hand going to be? Is there going to be compartments? I don't know.

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No, I'm teasing you. I'm'm teasing you i'm having a great time doctor who is a dream job did you see yeah i saw you were like the music person yeah um the thing about wearing faux fur to things she's wearing faux fur in 95 degree heat well not in here no no but it's punishingly hot outside yes it is um doctor who was like just from the best experiences and i'll tell you because you're gonna get it and i've explained this to non-drag queens but you're gonna get it you and i have acted in things you know there has a 10 there's a tendency for drag queens to be treated like they can't handle real acting work, right?

Like as if what we do makes us a subsect of the entertainment community, incapable of performing at the same level of other people who just do the same exact thing we do, just not in drag. Anyway, so none of that, none of that on the Dr. Who set. I was treated like an actor. I was treated like I was brought in because I'm here to play this role.

There was no question. There was no, it was just respect and affirmation from the first Zoom call. respect and affirmation from the first zoom call and it was really really special to receive that because i'm so used to having to fight a little bit and advocate and or you know play the game and smile as i'm subtly shifting things you? What was the audition process like? I didn't audition for it. Amazing. You were plucked. I guess the audition process was just, you know,

Russell T. Davis coming to multiple shows that I had created over like multiple years. Okay. And so he had seen one specific show where he said on his walk home the character was already being conceived and he said it all just kind of clicked into his brain and then I think you know he had to do a little advocating for me because I wasn't quite a name but thankfully all stars and Chicago helped remedy that a little bit.

But now I feel very, very gracious and grateful because I always wanted to be an actor and a drag queen. And that's exactly what I'm getting to do right now. And Doctor Who was a big swing into that direction. Your achievements are outrageous outrageous completely outrageous unparalleled i wouldn't say i would and i just did oh well thank you what i would say is i only am capable of doing the things that i'm doing right now and in such rapid succession because I have a really, really wonderful team. Like never before have I had the ability to hire enough people to delegate enough things so that it's not just me and my best friend

doing everything together, right? We have someone who's helping us out with everything, and it means I get to show up focused on the work, present. I do my best to stay out of my phone while I'm working. I show up present and get to really invest in what I'm doing. And then I've been very lucky that the casts and crews around me have been so incredible because when you're working with people who bring a great attitude, it's easy to do great work. So the one thing just kind of keeps building to the next,

and it's because of the people around me. Like I know what I bring to the table, like I know what I bring to the table but I'm only able to bring it at a hundred percent because of the support from all of the people who make it happen you know I think about that and then I think about going back on all stars and then I imagine you don't have any help well actually you Actually, you know, I will say that the All-Star 7 experience was so different, you know. And if anything, you know, they kept assuring us, we're here to help you do your best. And, you know, we were like, okay, but we take that with a grain of salt, right? But then in the end, they really fucking delivered. Like, I mean, we felt supported. But then in the end, they really fucking delivered.

Like, I mean, we felt supported. We had to go, you know, we had to go up against a few obstacles. And in those moments, the Queens, we all, you know, we backed up each other. Because if we don't, no one else is gonna, right? So there were some times where we had to kind of like band together as sisters. But ultimately, my experience with it was very positive. And everyone pretty much delivered on what they said they were going to do. And I think that seeing a season that celebrated each other, and I haven't fully caught up on the most recent season

where no one was eliminated, but when you remove that element, that feeling of scarcity, there's not enough for all of us, then we can actually celebrate each other. It's when we think that there's only one spot for us that we start to become cutthroat with each other. And it's, I mean, drag race is a competition, but I'm talking about the business at large.

And that's what we're all now thinking about, right? Like you go on to drag race because you got a direction you want to move in from there. You don't think it... I was watching the most recent season and I felt like, you know, there's this business with the badges or whatever. But like, I feel like it does take some of the drama away from the competitive aspect of the show. But I don't really care that much about the drama

because it always seems kind of forced anyways. But the lack of eliminations does, I think, kind of allow for a bit of like flatness. I hear you. I hear you. I think that the way I personally feel right now, I think competition is good for art, you know, like it produces good art. But also community produces good art. And I think right now, at this point

in time, there is so much division and so many people trying to pit us against each other, and so many people trying to pit us against each other. That anything that brings about unity within our community, that's a good thing. Now- You can't spell community without unity. Oh my gosh. But what I do think is drama, no drama. Elimination, no elimination.

What you said is the truth. Forced. You don't like it because it's forced. What I think right now is that we are being lied to in so many directions our politicians all the people were supposed to be able to trust we are pulling away the wool and the veils and we're saying oh my god the people we have elected and hired and trusted all this time actually only care about money, right? And none of us actually matter. So when you feel that way,

you go to entertainment for escapism, but also for honesty, for truth. You know, like we can't even trust mainstream media right now because it all has a bias. And of course, there's a clear right and wrong here right now. We're at a point in time where it's not about this versus that. It's about this side is evil. And this side is not trying to do the evil things that this side is trying to do.

Right? So, I don't know. I think that we turn to our artists for the truth. And the artists right now, we have to tell the truth. We have to be honest because we can't trust anyone else. We have to speak for our communities and tell the truth. And that's just what I'm trying to do right now. And even though I'm doing scripted work, a lot of the time I'm just trying to bring my truth to it and show the world

like this is what it would be like if someone like me were in this position. Think about it, just think about it, you know? Trixie was telling me about Little Shop of Horrors and she was absolutely blown away. Well, it was a really, really, I've been saying, the way I can encapsulate it all is every trans woman should be so lucky as to play Audrey opposite someone like Corbin Bleu or Corbin Bleu himself in such a supportive and loving and wonderful and amazing production as that current production of Little Shop of Four is off BroadwayBroadway at the West Side Theater on 43rd. What was your favorite show?

Was there one particular night that sticks out as being amazing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a night. I mean, I gotta... Okay, everyone in the cast. If you look at who was in the cast and on the crew while I was running, incredible. I don't want to

highlight one person and make it sound like anyone there was not as incredible as this person, because it truly took everyone bringing a wonderful attitude every day to make that experience as profound as it was. Corbin Blue and I, just from day one, were locked in with each other. And we developed a ritual to one, were locked in with each other. And we developed a ritual to make sure we were connected with each other at the beginning of every performance. And there was a night, every night, you know, he's very strong. And he would dip me and I would kind of put my weight on his knee. And one leg would go up and it was all this big, you know, like one thing would happen at a time

and it would build and build and build and while we're kissing and the audience would go nuts. This one night, I put my leg up and as I'm doing it, this leg kind of lifts up and I'm like, he's got me entirely. So then we do all of our bits. And at the very end, I go with the second leg. And then you realize he's holding me entirely.

And I just looked like I was floating in his arms. It was this moment of theater magic of just being present with each other, trusting each other, not having anything else going on in our minds, but telling this story. And it was just really magical. And it kind of encapsulated how well we work together. And I don't know if that was the most magical performance. I know there were some nights where I came off and I'm like, that was just a fucking bullseye. But I remember that night, it was like, this is what you can do when you trust someone. When you both have removed your egos and you said, let's just tell this story together as best we can.

Yeah. Do you have moments, like not in that show, but just in general, where like you feel, you know, 10 minutes before curtain, you're like, well, I would rather do anything than perform tonight. No. No. I've never felt that way. Really?

I have never not wanted to perform. That's incredible. It's what I've always wanted to do. Before I knew anything else about myself, everything I've done in my life, every single thing has been to lead to me getting to do these things that I'm getting to do right now. Shit.

And that means there's been a lot of sacrifice. And that means that there's been, you know, a lot of tumultuous moments. And, you know, I had a very clear cut path my whole life. And living that way does take its toll because you start to reach a point where you're like, what have I missed out on and what have I not experienced? Because I have had such a tunnel vision focus, right? That's where I kind of, I refer to it as veering from my path, the alcoholism, which, you know, it enabled my selfishness. You know, it enabled my selfishness. It enabled my arrogance, but it also enabled my like bitterness and my resentment towards not being where I wanted to be.

But then I had to realize that I was the obstacle. You know, like I knew where I wanted to go, but I was standing in my way because I wasn't letting go of the things that were no longer serving me. And when Dale and I created the holiday show, it tapped me back into what I love about drag and why I chose drag as my medium to work within, because it's for and by queer people. And it's, you know, like it's something special about our community.

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Have you seen Opening Night, the movie? No. I think in 1980 maybe, or 77, Jenna Rollins plays this theater actress who is a huge drunk. And there's one point they're they're uh rehearsed

or they're working on a play that they're gonna debut in new haven before it goes to new york and for the opening night she is so hammered and as uh right before she goes on to do one of the scenes the stagehand is like wow you are i've seen a lot of drunks in my life. I've never seen anybody as drunk as you able to walk. And then she does the whole play. It's crazy. It's a John Cassavetes film. It's really, really interesting.

But I suggest you should watch it. I think I'm going to have to watch it. It's pretty wacky. Have you ever performed in a blackout? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, there was like, there was, I remember there was a night in South America. I was there alone.

And I was on stage and I hadn't slept in three days. And there was like a point where it was crazy because it was like, it was a large crowd. I was doing my number and it occurred to me as like I was down on the floor, like say I think I probably had done a split or something. And then I was like, I don't think I'm

gonna be able to get up oh no you know and like oh my god and because I would like I know that like when I got up real quick I would have like a head rush and I was like I could black out and just fall over it was really scary yeah not good not good yeah I I had one show at the peak of my alcoholism, and it was a scripted show with Major, and I walked off stage. Well, no, what it was is like I went on stage, and the show was going great, and I don't know when I mentally checked out,

but I did at some point, and I came back to my dressing room and the show was over and I was like what the show's over and I had this moment and then but no one noticed because it was something I had scripted my brain went into autopilot but how that's freaking scary. Exactly. And so for me, when I realized your whole life, you knew what you wanted to do. And even in my darkest moments, it was still the thing that I loved the most. But my darkness and my bitterness and my resentment, which was enabling the alcohol, which was enabling the bitterness, it was preventing, like it had finally got all the way to my favorite thing. Right? Like it had worked its way all the way up me

until it was affecting even the thing that mattered so much to me since a young age. And that was when I had to make the decision for myself you know and so many times before it was like other people telling me you really should consider quitting drinking and an alcoholic does not like to be told that no but don't you think it's strange though i i think that this is something that persists even now is that this um strange though i i think that this is something that persists even now is that this um this kind of mythology of the artist as a drunk or an addict that the there's some kind of that the the drinking or the using of drugs is somehow part and parcel of the creative process

it's just a romantization of of something that artists deal with. I mean, a lot of artists deal with substance abuse. And younger people, they're not drinking the way we drink. They're not partying the same way we partied. But that doesn't mean that young people going through hard times aren't going to reach for crutches. So for me, my crutch was alcohol. It helped me get through some hard times aren't going to reach for crutches. So for me, my crutch was alcohol. It helped me get through some hard times.

But then when the hard times passed, I kept using it because I thought it was like, I was like, oh, look, I can do my job and I can have a little fun. And that's just, you know, that snowballs until soon you're convinced you can't do it without it and that's when the crutches become like what what's be like i don't know what's beyond a crutch a part of you yeah a limb a limb a limb that's getting in the way of the other limbs right yeah and it's great but it's crazy though because if you really think about it and you experience it you're like there's no it's it's absolutely the opposite. You're just inhibiting your creative process.

You're inhibiting your ability to perform. You're inhibiting and preventing yourself from actually achieving what you're capable of. Yeah. Sad. It is sad, but you know, here's how I,

I dealt with a lot of guilt and shame once I stopped drinking because then it's like then you have to reconcile yeah the years that you spent using that crutch or that limb or however you classify it and you have to find times and ways to give yourself grace you have to put everything into context and you have to not remove yourself as a character from the story. Because we get so, people who want to be better people, you remember the way you hurt everyone else

and you remember how they felt in the moment, but then you forget that you were a human, you had circumstances too, and that's not to make excuses but to give yourself grace right it's not to say i okay so i was going through a hard time so those bad things i did didn't count it's about saying oh you were going through a hard time so you behaved poorly and now you need to reconcile with that and if you need to tell people I was going through a really hard time, you can, but you still have to take the accountability. It can't be telling them the context

is not to push off the responsibility. Right. Did you happen to watch the Faye Dunaway documentary? No, but I've been told a lot about it. I won't bore you then. In a Lifetime movie event of your life, who would play her? And then we're going to do the HBO one.

But first, the Lifetime one. Oh, okay. So Lifetime, it would probably be probably be oh my god who would it be if it were lifetime i'm trying to think i know i'll find the perfect answer for this um i want to say like Bonnie Raitt. I love that. Or like Reba. Reba.

Reba. Reba. Or maybe I'm thinking of like someone from networks, you know, like they'd already be kind of in this world, ready to jump in there. What about Maris from Frazier I love that name Maris I do love the name Maris Maris the heiress she was evil do you know what's so brilliant about never seeing her is because she could never live up to the descriptions right by never showing us Maris they could continue to just weave this tapestry of this impossible person the mythology of this evil bitch yeah yeah yeah we never saw her no you never see

her once you never even hear her and they do a lot of like fall you know like they think they make you think you're about to see her and that's not her um just like norm's wife vera okay on cheers oh my god oh my god and they were written by the same people what a clever technique so in the in the hbo miniseries um version of of jinx the life story whatever who would be i think maybe maybe Mason Alexander Park, but we're like the same age. They're a non-binary actor. They took over for Eddie Redmayne on the West End. In Cabaret.

And I suspect they'll eventually play the role on Broadway, but they've also done their Desire in the Sandman series. And I basically, it's like, you know, it's funny because I really want us to play siblings in something. Like, I don't know. I would love a story

where it's like all the characters are somewhere on the trans spectrum. Because I feel like we're so used to especially in this industry like once you have one minority covered that can be the only one yeah you're just checking the boxes so i'm like let's i mean pose is a great example of like let's find more stories where there's not just one role for, for someone, you know?

Right, right, right. Anyway. But then I also want to say like Jean Smart or Tilda Swinton. Like would it Tilda Swinton? I don't know. It's like Tilda Swinton would play my,

me and my life story if Julio Torres directed it. Right. Yeah. I was just watching Fantasmus the other day. And also what is it? Problemista. Problemista yeah she's a wacko in that yeah yeah i really i'm i'm very enamored with oh i love one julio torres totally totally i think of a wizard his little his uh his little his um his special my favorite i think it's called my favorite shapes on hbo yes yes yes yes and i was i loved losa spookies so much yes i just love it

i mean even if you don't watch it just saying losa spooky like really brightens your day yeah it was great though and the concept was so is lovely. I love that we're leaning away from realism and back into the fantastical. And I think that's another result of, you know, we need escapism, but we also still need to confront what's happening. And so I think through allegory and through, you know,

like substitution, like finding ways to show people like this does apply to you, you know, like substitution, like finding ways to show people, like, this does apply to you. You know? What's your favorite country? Ooh, like that I've been to or just in general? In general. like that I've been to or just in general? In general.

I'm just going to say Italy or the Mediterranean at all. I mean, okay, so Italy is one of the only places I've ever gone to on true vacation where I wasn't. Where'd you go? We went to Venice and Roma. And I was with someone who really liked to do the sightseeing stuff. And I don't, well, I used to not like to do the sightseeing stuff because hungover. But he didn't drink. And so I didn't drink on the trip because, you know, I wanted us to be on the same wavelength.

And we had a great time seeing these places that were so old. I'm like, oh, this is like from so long ago. And then to remember, to sit there and contemplate that those people that we only know about through stories and history books and movies, like they actually existed and they were here. That kind of it had a dizzying effect it's crazy and then there you are in 2000 what everyone was getting hit by a moped it's wild at the time you know i had my hat right

you know my um wide brimmed black hat that i was obsessed with. And then I had dyed my hair black in some weird act of defiance that no one cared about. And I, of course, am very pale. We're walking around Italy. Everywhere we went, people were screaming, Michael Jackson! Michael Jackson! And Michael Jackson was dead. I don't know why they were screaming that at me,

but I mean, I guess I looked like him. Well, you know what? I think the Italians are really- Michael Jackson. When I was in Italy with my Asian friend, people were like, Brad Pitt. I think the Italians are fucking crazy. I think some wires are crossing

In the Italian brain When it comes to recognizing celebrities In real life Huge cocks though Every one of them Even the women Enormous dongs Big pendulous heavy uncut dongs

Swinging around We shouldn't generalize And we shouldn't stereotype Even positive stereotypes But I'm saying if there were a ratio you were considering. Just for,

we don't like to deal with stereotypes. We don't like to deal with prejudice. We don't like to deal with assumptions. But just for the record, both Jinx and I

know for a fact that every single Italian person, man, woman, or otherwise has a huge cock. No, do you you know do you know what it is is the first person who was of Italian origin that I slept with had such a gigantic penis that I was and now so gigantic is an adjective that's no very listen mama I know a big dick right I mean like

that's not an exaggeration just not as you know thick or ribbed just without the baby's breath and the and the grooves the little the riches um but no and and then i i was like such a big dick sir and he was like and he was like it's because i'm italian and so and because and because that was said to me early in life i i i it became fact in my brain but you know i don't know i know like dick whisperer i just know how to have a good time is that is that i hope this is not too personal. Oh, wow. Is that an important factor in the slut? No. No.

I'm, okay. I'm a slut, yes. Okay. However, I'm not goal-oriented. You're not what? I'm not goal-oriented. Okay. As in getting dicked down and everyone shooting huge.

That's not like, I'm not concerned about that. Like, because I can have a good time. Mutual masturbation can be great, you know? It's all about, for me, what's fun about sex is not the acts that you do, but the connection you have with the person. And of course, there's things that I like, but there's things that i like but

there's things that i like when we're having anal intercourse there's things that i like if it's oral there's things that i like if it's mutual masturbation i can just make out for hours too if that's what the person wants to do i just like to be direct and upfront about what we both want out of this experience because once we set the like boundaries and what we both want out of this experience. Because once we set the boundaries and what we're expecting or what we're not expecting or what we're not up for that night, then you know the confines within which to play.

Sure, sure. Does that make sense? Absolutely. I'm a Virgo. I like knowing the rules. So what would you say to the- Do you like astrology? I can't forget.

You hate it. No, I- Trixie hates it, I know, right? Trixie hates it. They both hate it, yeah. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I, the only thing that, I don't hate it.

I, what I've observed is- My God. Is your huge cock i'm italian no i'm not i'm not no what i've observed in uh what i've noticed many times in many places many people have they talk about astrology in a way that has it is so so bullshit, it almost spins my head around. So that's fun to observe. But now I'm really into the Chinese zodiac. Right. So what is your Chinese zodiac?

What's my Chinese zodiac? Yeah. Well, I'm just... Can you look it up? Oh, I'm year of the rabbit. And which kind of rabbit? We're going to look it up. Oh, I'm the year of the rabbit. And which kind of rabbit? We're going to look it up. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I don't know the Chinese zodiac as extensively, but you're a pragmatic person. I'm a pragmatic person who also balances my spirituality in it, right? I had to, for myself, figure out something that gave some kind of logical sense that I could keep putting energy into astrology. And my thought is cyclical energy. Okay.

Right? We see patterns in history. We see ebb and flow. We see that there's progress and then there's pushback. We see music be cyclical and fashion be cyclical. And I think the atoms that we are made of, you know, it's all being recycled. So when you're born at one time of year, you're maybe being made from similar atoms. Or if you just want to think about like environmental causes, like I was born in September. I'm very studious.

That's the start of the school year for me. December, Capricorns are known to be kind of like self-concerned. Their birthday is probably right next to Christmas where they got like pushed off because it was Christmas or felt like they didn't get their moment. I don't know. I think there are factors where depending on when you were born, whether it's your stars that you were born under or the factors you were born into, there's something to that. And if we can label it with astrology, but what we're really talking about is this cyclical energy,

then maybe there's something to it. Sure. I i mean at the very least it's a fun icebreaker right yeah what kind of rabbits do you believe in them hell yeah see so you can believe in ghosts but you can't believe in astrology well i can see ghosts don't you think well you can't see astrology the stars are right there i mean it's just thousands of years of aboriginal culture versus katya's opinion but whatever i love it i love it i mean i love any i mean i love the occult love that me too even as just a fascination you know like i don't believe every aspect of spiritual stuff not all of it applies to me but that doesn't mean that i don't believe every aspect of spiritual stuff. Not all of it applies to me,

but that doesn't mean that I don't love that other people believe in it. Here's the fucking thing. It's just like religion. We're all trying to explain the same things. We just find different ways to explain it. Some people use science. Some people use faith or spirituality. It's just like we're all saying the same things just in different languages.

Absolutely. I'm more interested in the conviction or the quality of belief or whatever, like the how someone's speaking about astrology than the what. Well, that's me too. It's like, yeah, it's all about how someone approaches me. And the witches that I like the most as a practicing witch

are the witches that don't take it too seriously. Just like the entertainers who don't take themselves too seriously. That's just who I like. That's who I prefer. Yeah. I have a good friend who's, she worked as a witch reading tarot cards in Salem for like, I don't know, a decade or more.

And any kind of astrology question question i'll go to her um and because she just knows it all she has she has all the knowledge banked and so that she can interpret um just from like having all of the knowledge because when i moved to la it was like it was like, oh, my God. Like they're speaking this. It's they're speaking as if they have the knowledge. But they really if they had to take a test. Sure. They had to sit down and take a test to be like, describe all the signs.

What are the you know, what did they couldn't do it. This is why I think any practice of faith or spirituality, you can go to people for guidance but your path should be your own right this is my problem with organized religion is that excuse me it's often something inflicted upon a person right you know like you get born into a faith often, and then you just start accepting things because that's the way it was taught to you. I think about this analogy the history teacher told once about this new wife, and she wanted to learn how to bake a delicious ham for her husband,

and she wanted to do it the way his mother did, you see. So she called up his mother and got the recipe from her. And the recipe included cutting off two inches on either side of the ham. So she does it because that's what the recipe says. And she bakes the ham and her husband loves it. But she doesn't understand in her mind why she cut off the two inches she just did it because she was told so she calls her mother-in-law and says he loved the ham thank you for the recipe can i ask one question why do you cut off is that to

release the juices is that to cut off the bad part blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The mother-in-law says, oh, I used to cut off two inches. I have that in the recipe to remind myself that my pan's too small for a standard ham. I was just cutting off two inches because that's the way I needed to do it at that time. Right? So just because you're taught something or just because you believe in something, you should never, ever, ever forfeit your ability to think for yourself and ask those questions.

Why do we cut off the two inches, right? Like we need to be asking ourselves why. And I think the people who can blindly follow someone as despicable as you know who, it's just a way of absolving yourself from having to answer those hard questions. Are you talking about Dr. Jill Biden? How dare you? How dare you? How dare you?

Listen. How dare you? How dare you? Listen, if you're following anyone blindly, you're wasting your life is all. That's how I feel. Because your life is meant for you to ask yourself those hard questions and find out where you lie on them. You didn't grow up Catholic, did you? I grew up raised very, very loosely Catholic. I was taught. Wait, wait, wait. Very loosely. Yeah, my mom taught me the g taught- Wait, wait, wait. Very loosely.

Yeah. My mom taught me the gist. Oh, okay. You didn't go to church. I was baptized. I went to some Sunday school, young in life. But my grandmother and my mother both had reasons that every time they went to church, they felt very, very guilty.

And they'd just sit there in the pews crying. And so they would avoid going to church and then they'd feel bad about not going to church. So then the next time they would go to church, they'd end up crying because they felt so bad that it's been so long since the last time they went to church. So I basically was taught the rules and taught that church makes you feel sad.

And my whole life, I don't know, not my whole life i don't know not my whole yeah not my whole life and even still is just kind of picking away at those things like oh i was taught this because of this but that doesn't serve me now here or anymore so goodbye to that you know damn i mean Damn. I mean, Catholics. Although the only thing I can say that they've done is preserve art pretty well. There's some great art thanks to the Catholics. But, you know, here's the thing is. At what cost? Catholics and the original Christians were just, they were just reappropriating the pagan faiths at the time, you know? So that's why there's so many similarities in the Christian faith to original pagan origins. And they did that very mindfully. They did that to gain followers. They did that by adhering to what was popular at the time

or what people were worried about at the time. People are murdering each other. People are raping each other. We need order. And so they used the things that they already related to, the stories and the fables, but they changed the characters and they changed the lessons. And good things happen because of this turning away

from kind of like primal, visceral instincts, you know, survival of who is ever strongest. So there are good things that happen from it, but because of those good things, like a crutch, you know, this is why I don't like organized religion religion is once you have those people following you, who can you trust in that position, in that number one position? Once you put one person in charge, how can you trust that that person is acting accordingly to the wills of everyone and not just imposing their will on everyone who will listen? You gotta watch Game of Thrones. Oh my gosh.

You have to. Oh my gosh. If you don't watch it, I'm gonna kill myself. Why do I have to watch it? I already know this shit. I don't need to watch dragons. No, no. It's so cunty.

I know, I know, I know. You gotta get into it. Switch off the cheers, put on the Game of Thrones. What if I said this to you would anyone be like you know jinx has a point we should be watching more reruns of 80s television no so i'm not i'm not gonna try to fight you on this right now but i don't want to fight i just need you to do this or else i'm gonna commit suicide listen i do like that the newer the new this is bugging me it's my weed vapes but i do like that the newer um additions to the franchise are much more female led

and oh honey and much more feminist don't get in previous iterations don't get it twisted there are there is we have to wrap up soon but let me just talk at you for one more minute. Please, please. There are so many complex, incredible, beautiful, twisted, amazing female characters in this show. And it is so cunty. It is so cunty. I know, I know.

And you know, the people I love watch it and tell me I'll like it and and you must here I've just been having more fun with real life lately that's unacceptable how dare you I watch TV in such short chunks

that's another reason why TV used to be 20 minute episodes. You can fit into your day. I know. Now it's just like these big binges. You need to do 12 hours. Which is what I've been doing. I've been doing because I'm depressed.

Okay, we're going to wrap up. I love you so much. I love you. We're going to wrap up with the last question. If you could control the way that you die and it can't be peacefully in your sleep, what would it be? I've already thought of this and i have the perfect i want i do really want to live to a very old age and part of the lifestyle changes i've made it's been because i was like well if you want to do that eventually gonna have to start doing something to see to it right um and so i want to live to

very old age i want to perform to the very end like Marilyn May. Marilyn May, oh, if you don't know her, look her up. 96 years old, still performing, still incredible. Holds the record of being on the Johnny Carson show more than any other performer. She's incredible. She's still performing. And I want to perform to the very end like Elaine Stritch. And my ideal death would be, um, I, I be I do whatever show I'm in at the time.

And I walk off stage and I have one of those nights where I go, that was a bullseye. You really did it. That was perfect. Everything. I mean, I don't try to use the word perfect, but I like to say bullseye. That was a bullseye. You hit the mark. It was effective.

You did good, pig. That'll do. You know? And then I want to sit down in my dressing room, look at myself in the mirror, and just sigh, a sigh of contented, you know, like you did a good job, kid, and then die.

Would you fall back right into a glass coffee table? No, I'd be seated in my makeup chair and it would be like this or like this like for the father from strangers of candy oh yeah should i should i like um you know or i want to do something like this. It's my favorite moment ever from 30 Rock. She's on a first date with someone, and they end up in his mother's hospital room as she's dying, and she goes, you have to tell him I'm not really his mother.

I'm his grandmother. The woman he thinks is his sister is his mother. You have to tell him or I won't get into heaven. And then she dies i kind of want to do that to someone but more so what i really really want is to deliver one final really great show sit down in my chair and just there i go awesome well thank you so much that's like we're we're at a time i always look beautiful i always have so it's so easy to talk to you you know oh you know that one episode of queens who watch and just how much fun we have oh we had a blast i just we don't get to do it enough but every time we just get to sit and and vibe yeah is the good thing yeah we are vibbey i love you you're you and then listen let the record show

that way back when i saw your you and major skills perform in a boat this was so long ago i said to somebody where i was with maybe it might have been tricks or somebody else was like well that's the most talented drag racer ever oh gosh and i still feel that way. You know, I just, in my mind, I love all the queens and all the sisters. And I am so grateful we're at this moment of abundance where there's more than ever to go around. And everyone can find their place. And thank God, right? And then also when people ask me, like, who do you like to work with? Right. And then also when people ask me, like, who do you like to work with?

It's a short list of the people who are the most pro, the most like drama free, but mostly the people who bring a great attitude and make me laugh. And even when like the gig is shitty, we have a fun time because we're there together. And so that you're part of that list of people. Thank you so much. Well, it uh i love your sheer stockings you look very beautiful um congratulations on all your success and um hey congratulations on all yours thank you very much i'm you're really living your dream too huh yeah i'm um i'm i my life is right now perfect morbidly depressed watching tv 14 hours a day. Okay. But you like that. I do. It has always been my dream.

To have the space to be able to do that. To be able to support yourself through those spells. Isn't that beautiful, Katia? It's gorgeous. Isn't it? You have a security that you can lean into your depression when you need to and know that on the other side of it, you will be okay. Yes, that I will fall through a plate glass window in the middle.

And we got you, girl. And we got you. Where can the children find you? You know, Google. Google it. It's spelled J-I-N-K-X. All right. Google it.

I mean, I'm on all the things. You're on TikTok? I am on TikTok. I don't engage with TikTok that much. Here's the thing. A big part of how I'm able to live my life well right now was disconnecting and putting up a buffer between me and social media because it just gets in here and it throws me off my course so i like i said at the very top of this i have a wonderful team

of people so that i can do my job and stay the best me that i can be so that i'm bringing my best self to all my work well we'll include your home address so people can send you some letters. Sure, sure. Jinx Monsoon at everywhere. Oh, I think TikTok, I'm like Jinx Monsoon official. But again, Google it. Google it. All right.

Thank you, girl. Bye, everybody. Awesome. Bye.