The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie and Katya - The RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 14 Premiere Extravaganza with Trixie and Katya

Episode Date: January 5, 2022

With the season 14 premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race only days away, Trixie and Katya take a stroll down memory lane to discuss the highlights, the lowlights, and everything in-between from the entire history of Drag Race. All from the comfort of a balcony at dusk. Don't miss the season premiere on Friday, January 7th at 8/7c only on VH1! Follow Trixie: @TrixieMattel Follow Katya: @Katya_Zamo Big thank you to @Phoebe_Bing_Bong for the exhaustive RuPaul's Drag Race research! To listen to our podcast on YouTube: http://bit.ly/TrixieKatyaYT Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast If you want to support the show, and get all the episodes ad-free go to https://thebaldandthebeautiful.supercast.com/ If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be helpful! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: http://bit.ly/baldandthebeautifulpodcast To check out the Trixie and Katya Live Tour, go to: https://trixieandkatya.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are you ready to roll the dice? Friday, January 7th, RuPaul's Drag Race is back on VH1. And this season, victory never tasted so sweet. 14 new queens are all game to play, but only one will make it to the end to wear the superstar crown. Who will turn the fiercest looks? Who will make the biggest moves? And who will just spin out? Get ready, because with game-changing judges like Lizzo and Alicia Keys, anything's possible. And for the biggest treat of all, for the first time in herstory, a one-of-a-kind candy bar could make a queen's wish come true. In this sweet-and-sour twist, one lucky player might just get the chance to stay instead of sashaying away.

Hope you saved some room for dessert. Don't miss the season premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race Friday, January 7th at 8, 7 central only on VH1. So today we're talking about RuPaul's Drag Race because the season 14 premiere of RuPaul's Drag Race is January 7th. And today, Kati and I are taking a walk down memory lane and highlighting some of the most iconic moments in drag race history. January 7thth 2022 we were on drag race i think 2016 or 2014 it's hard to remember it's been a while it's been a long time it was honestly possibly 2014 right yeah because i one of them yeah i think i did 2014 and 2016 with all stars or something something like that it It was wild. Jesus.

Season 14. I'm life force insecure. Seven. Oh my God. It's a full round of seasons since we did season seven. It does feel that long ago though, doesn't it? It feels even longer. Longer.

It feels like longer. I feel like I should be 50. I know I look it. I was a child when I did that show. You were? Yeah. 24 and I never never like left. I never barely left Wisconsin at the time.

I mean, I'd never even seen drag like some of the people had on. I was so in over my head and so out of my league. It's not even funny. I know. And I remember thinking, I'm like, I'm going to be realistic about this.

Like I need to go on this show thinking that I could be nobody or that could be somebody, but I need to accept all like, um, all scenarios. And I wasn't able to accept the fact that I was like nobody, you know what I mean? I wasn't able to accept that fully. It was a big gag. Well, the audience accepted it. They really went with it. They believed it.

We are on my patio. I love this. This is, why haven't we been doing this? I don't know. I mean, I hope that the sound is half okay. I know. I feel like it's going to be loud. Will we know?

I don't think so. You don't think so? Is there... Well, this is... I mean, we're in the middle of Hollywood. Hollywood. Yeah. We're here in hollywood honey baby she's right over there i wish you could see it but you can't you can't see it um yeah it's the hollywood sign just i mean i will say this it's part of why i bought the place it made me feel fancy it is pretty

fucking fancy it reminds me of um hollywood your dream? Pretty woman. Never seen it. Never seen it. Beautiful lady. You've never seen pretty woman? No. There's a lot of stuff I just haven't seen. I also still haven't seen 9 to 5. Never seen working girls. You've never seen mean girls.

I've seen mean girls. Brandon Lim, my assistant, has not seen too long foo which i'm like you've heard brandon talk he's like gayer than christmas i'm like i am stunned and in floored because brandon talks like a drag queen no no i'm back to you working girl nine to five pretty woman beautiful lady beautiful attractive female there's actually woman. Beautiful lady. Attractive female. Actually, it was a trilogy. It was a pretty woman, regular woman, and then ugly woman. Oh, because she aged. Yeah. That's tough.

We're on the patio today. I think that these are dynamic microphones, which... So if you point these at cars, you'll pick up cars. Hey, Tiffany, down there in the Hyundai Elantra, what do you got to say? Tracy, do you want to say? This, Tracy, do you want to make a cameo?

I think you should. Oh, right. That's the T mark. T mark. Tracy Marquez, who I met, Tracy Marquez,

our guest today. No, not our guest. I just love you so much. I just look forward to working with you. You don't need nothing. You don't need nothing. You're pretty woman. We love, I just love you so much. I just look forward to working with you all the time. Mama, you don't need nothing. You don't need nothing.

You're pretty woman. We love queer women who have shit going on. You have such a calm energy. How does somebody who has so much responsibility bring chillness to the table? Life is hard enough already. Just be calm. Yeah, great attitude. Everything works out in the end.

If it's not working out out it's not the end so we might as well just be true I love that I did cut you off I did think you were done I'm sorry about that but I'm not even the guest on the podcast how's it going today? okay great incredible incredible wait I love that if everything works out in the end

if it hasn't worked out yet it's not the end that's it honey what you see isn't always the end. That's it. That's honey. What you see isn't always the end. Well, shit. Well, we have a great topic today. We have the distinct pleasure of taking a walk down memory lane. I'm

actually really proud of us for not talking about drag race that often. Yeah, we pretty much, I mean we, I think we abandoned our beauty podcast a little while ago. Hey, we're still bald and many of our guests still been beautiful thank you thank you thank you we don't need to stay on theme mama we are the theme um but yeah we have avoided talking about drag race quite a bit which i think is good too i think it's good to everybody

who's watching this or listening to this because i know when we don't make video for the podcast people really unhinge so we're back Um, but people already have seen us on television. So I don't think we need to sit here and talk about something the audience already knows. Yes. And also we don't need to add our voices to the din of already many, many, many, many, um, podcast or recap, you know, recap shows and stuff like that. I know. Yeah. But we'll do it today. We'll do it today. I like talking about drag race. I just often feel like I don't have anything left to say about it. Oh,

I got plenty to say. I got plenty to say. And if I don't have anything left to say, I'll make it up, make it up. Yeah. And not to, not to scare anybody who's watching with the pod is sort of on borrowed time.

So if you're enjoying this today, make sure you subscribe and all that because I'm not always going to be there. James Mansfield told me, I love this. Say it again. James Mansfield told me, I love this. Say it again. James Mansfield told me his mom, he said, it's a Mexican thing.

His mom would be like, go make your bed because I'm not always going to be here to do it for you. The mom is planting the seed of like, I'm going to die. So you better do this chore. If you don't do the dishes, my dead corpse won't be there. I love that.

I love that. That's you. That's telling me to set up for the pod. I was like, yeah, but that one plus one equals two, so what? I don't get it. It doesn't really work on me. Alright, so let's see. So the RuPaul's Drag Race. Alright, a couple

firing off some questions for you. What season are we in currently? This is 14. See, I didn't know that. Okay. 14. I'm DJing at the premiere here in Hollywood Are you really? Can I get an invite to that? Probably

I'm still a little bit raw about not getting invited to the premiere of We're Here season 2 Should we call Bob? No No Call Bob the drag queen I'll handle this I really don't know what, oh,

Mary, what do you have to say for yourself? Hello? Hi, Bob. How are you? Great. How are you?

I'm on speakerphone. Oh, you're on speakerphone. Well, you're always on speakerphone girl. And you know what? Your hands are never doing nothing, but that's another conversation.

That's not the case. I'm over here. I'm over here. I'm over here rehearsing with Todrick right now. Hi, Trixie. Hi, Todrick. How are you? I'm good. We were just watching your video.

Oh. That's true, actually. Oh, thank you. Thank you very, very much. Yeah. Where are you? I'm on my patio. Kati and I are recording the Bald and the Beautiful right now.

You're on live. Hello. Oh, hi, everyone. Hey. Hi, Bald and the Beautiful. Hi. Congratulations on Masked Singer, Todrick, by the way. You were so great. Thank you. I hope you get to be on it one day. That would be the highlight

of my life. I can't imagine what you would do. I know. Listen, you can call Todrick on his phone if you want to talk to him. This is a call. Well, I'm calling on behalf... I'd like some attention. I'm calling on behalf of Katya because Katya was never formally invited to the We're Here premiere, and we just wanted to ask you about that. Yeah. Katya was never formally invited to the We're Here premiere and we just wanted to ask you about that. Yeah.

Why Katya wasn't invited to the We're Here premiere? The We're Here season 2 premiere party here in Los Angeles. Yeah. I seem to have been the only drag queen. I don't know, maybe the reason why I wasn't formally invited to Well, listen, I seem to be the only drag queen not

invited to that party And I was home alone Doing nothing I think it was Friday night And I just watched the pictures come in I just watched so many pictures Oh just the feeds and feeds Whatever's worth to you We also didn't invite RuPaul

She was also not invited Okay That makes me feel a lot better. Bob's like, guess who's not here? You. Perfect. They have some strict thing with their people they're inviting. So a lot of us had to actually invite people from the staff, like the camera crew and stuff.

We had to use our invites to invite people who were in the show because of the strict protocol with COVID numbers. So I actually used all my invites to invite people from the staff. And I didn't even invite Monet. I didn't know she was coming. It was a surprise to me. Yeah. There was two lists. We're here and we're not here.

And we know where you all were. Also, I just watched the Christmas movie last night. Uh-huh. And there were two parts in there. Have y'all seen the Christmas movie yet? Yes, I have. James Mansfield, so good. I was thinking to myself,

I feel like there was a role for Trixie in a role for Conti just clearly written into this. Well, those are your words, not ours. Thank you for coming on the Balds and the Beautiful. Alright, bye. I don't know. Listen, as an employee of World of Wonder

and a drag race champion, I don't know what she's talking about, and I won't go along with it. No, I'm not going to. No, thank you. Chaos, confusion, madness, and drama. I'm not going to entertain it. No, and I'm not going to contribute to,

I'm not going to add fuel to the fire of insanity. But to complete your question, we are on 14. 14, season 14. That is including five or six all-star seasons? I got six now. Six. So that's 2019 season? Plus the Hollis Life Spectacular.

20, 20. I think it's about 25 seasons of Drag Race. I bet. Celebrity Drag Race. And then not even international. There is so much Drag Race. But I think it's wonderful. It's wonderful.

But you know what? What? Everybody who works there does such a good job. And the show is only good because everyone there makes it good. Yeah. And we are part of that. I know. We are.

I know. We're part of the legacy. The legacy. The leg. Leg. Legacy. The leg. Leg.

See? I think season seven was pretty much across the board regarded as the most boring one. Well, that's what you'd think. Yeah. But, you know, it followed six, which was incredible. Four, five, and six were some of the best of all time. Yeah. And seven, well, I think it was just sort of a, you know, in like the game shows are like not a match when the words are a match.

The cast didn't match the challenges. I'll say that. That's that's that's very true. I often found myself feeling like none of us did that great in any challenge. No, no. It's like a lot of a lot of wasted talent, a lot of potential. Yeah, there was a lot that could have happened that could have, would have, should have happened. It was strange.

However, let's be fucking honest. Then you watch season eight and you're like, oh, season seven had amazing runways and we took them for granted, didn't we? I mean, Violet, Fame, et cetera, raised the bar permanently on drag. Yes, actually. They raised the price tag too.

Fame had wigs like RuPaul's wigs. I know. I had never seen any of those wigs. I've never seen something like that. And the way that she put them back like a newborn baby. I know. Like the baby Jesus. I know.

Yeah. I was like, you don't just throw it in a bag? Wet. You don't just throw it in a bag? Wet. You don't taste that shit. She sure didn't though. Maurice Newhouse. Catch. And Maurice Newhouse.

Catch it. Maurice Newhouse. Sounds like Paris, France. Real fancy. Maurice Newhouse. That's the wig maker. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm using Maurice Oldhouse. I'm using the hand-me-downs. I got a quote from him one day. I said, like, I would love a fancy wig. And I said, I looked at the quote and I said, I got a quote from him one day.

I said, like, I would love a fancy wig. And I said, I looked at the quote and I said. Okay, thank you so much. And I'll see myself out at the store. Thank you. I'll just cut off my arm and leave it here in tribute. Okay. Yeah, the people had different.

I mean, people just had good drag on Seven. Not me, not you. Not me, bitch. And I, you know. Kennedy, Kennedy had some people just had good drag on Seven. Not me, not you, but some people. Not me, bitch. And I, you know. Kennedy, Kennedy had some really cool, big, flashy pageant drag. Yeah, she had some cool drag. She had some, yeah. Ginger had some of the biggest jewelry I've ever seen in my life.

I know. Jasmine's shoe collection. Open source. Yeah. Huge source. Jasmine's shoe collection, jewelry collection. I mean, there was some kind of great drag on Seven. That's all.

Yeah, there was, there was. Yeah. But, you know, looking back, it did accidentally produce some of the biggest stars of the franchise, so whatever. Yeah, and some of the richest. Oh, apparently. By the way,

I love that RuPaul goes on Jimberley Kimball and says, let me tell you about Trixie Mattel. She is rich. As if RuPaul's a latchkey boxcar child. I know. Food insecure. RuPaul was doing Anne Hathaway in Les Mis with a short haircut singing.

We're on my patio using sunlight as lighting. Trying to cut on the electric bill. Yeah, you are not. Apparently I'm rich. Everyone's been texting me saying so you're rich and i'm like i can't believe that it's all part of the plan i think she's laying the foundation for something you watch out something's coming after the interview she immediately called me and asked me to borrow money and i said no thank you not this time goodbye

no thank you ruth no no ruth paul oh my god i actually i've done jimberly kimball once i did i judged like a competition on that show once are you serious yes when um like two years ago i judged a belly flop competition with nicole byer and sean white okay olympical oh yeah yeah yeah yeah and then jimberly kimball direct um directed crank anchors which i was in that's right so i remember i was on a zoom with a james kimmel and he comes on and goes, I'm going to need you to call them back. And this is what you're going to say.

And I'm like, Oh my God. Really? Yeah. Was he nice? Um, yes, but that was by far the hardest job I've ever had.

Why? Why is that? Crank anchors. You're calling real people. I don't know if I could do that. And you're fucking with, you're pushing the envelope so far. You're prank calling.

I had to do about six, rest six places over the course of the day, different scenarios. One of them, I don't think they used it. Oh yes, they did. I had to call a big and tall store

and say that I was coming in with my boyfriend who's four feet tall and he likes to feel tall. And I had to ask, can everyone walk on their knees that day? Can everyone talk to him in a high voice?

Can they lower the doorway so he hits his head on the way in? Can they hang shorts in the pants section? Did they lower the doorway so he hits his head on the way in? Can they hang shorts in the pants section? Did they buy any of it? Were they up for any of it? That guy really was because some people are more focused on giving great customer service.

The Christian store that I had to call and ask why they don't have drag queen nativity scenes, I think they caught on pretty quickly. They sniffed. Yeah, they were sniffing. Oh, that's a bummer. They got so mad at me. I'm sure they get fucked up. They get fucked with all the time yeah yeah yeah and then one of them was a restaurant and eventually the guy goes all right you're very funny but uh we have to get back to work here okay i was like you think i'm funny really anyway i love jimberly kimball and now he thinks i'm rich

because of rupaul so well i love that well what um mark your fucking count your days bitch count your days by the way everyone who works for me probably saw that and is like, hmm, interesting. Asking for a raise. He takes a little light. So, okay, well, Drag Race, we're here to, what are we doing? We're sort of-

Well, we're going to dive into some very personal opinions about RuPaul's Drag Race. Okay. So two to three, so the first segment is about lip sync performances. Um, I want you to think about your two to three top faves of all time. Um,

and then I'll say mine and I, celebrity drag race. I noticed they did 90 second, um, uh, lip syncs. And I said, where's this?

Where's this from the regular show? Give me 15 seconds but 90 seconds is perfect it felt like you know how we do the full song on drag race yeah and it feels long it does it feels long don't you think it feels long well drag queens are used to audiences yeah taking money yeah you're also on a fake stage with performing for no walls and people don't know this the judges are here and then everyone

who works in the production probably 50 people during the lip sync everyone comes and kneels out of camera and watches yeah

it's nerve wracking the PAs everyone because they also personally know you and they all kind of have personal like what they think will happen

yeah so do you want me to go first because I'm going to make you uncomfortable with one of mine okay sure Ewing Kennedy doing Roar was incredible yeah that was good that was fun what they think will happen. Yeah. So do you want me to go first? I do. Because I'm going to make you uncomfortable with one of mine. Okay, sure. You and Kennedy doing Roar was incredible. Yeah, that was good. That was fun.

And you sold it like she obliterated you? No, no. I think it was, yeah. I wasn't so humiliated when it was happening. When you watched it, were you like, oh, I did good. Yeah, I did. And I was like, I'm glad that we both picked different parts to do different things.

Like it, she jumped off the stage at that one point where in the song, it wouldn't have made sense for me to punctuate that. Do you know what I mean? But I think it both worked in a way that didn't seem like I was desperate. No, it was amazing. Yeah, it was good. Also, also you had to lip sync against one of the best lip syncers in the history of the art form of drag.

Not even drag race. I know. No shit. So the fact that you didn't get humiliated is amazing. lip-synchers in the history of the art form of drag not even drag race i know no shit so the fact that you didn't get humiliated yeah yeah yeah is amazing yeah that's good that being said i let's get lip-syncing against her and i won so i don't know i don't know what you were doing sorry well you know, listen, my other favorite, you were there for this, which I'm so jealous of. Shut up and drive.

Drive. Oh, bitch. It was good. It was good. It's Alyssa Milano. It's Melissa Edwards. Yeah. Melissa Edwards and Tatiana Edwards.

It's just so good. Their outfits were good. I think that, wait, is this true? Let me know if this is true or not. Did all stars to start, did we start the, um, the trend of being able to change for the lip sync?

Was that where it started? Because of your latex. Yeah. I feel like I'm not credited as the, as the, um, the, the,

the start of that. Let them know. I would like you to know that I started that. Did you know Shangel invented the mirror message? In season two, Shangel was the first one to leave a mirror message.

She invented that? She's the first one to do it and then everyone did it. Wow. Trailblazer. Risk taker. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I beat that whore too. You did? I did. You did. You did through just honest to goodness hard work yeah diligence and a lot of luck yeah it's all stars is the ultimate rue goldberg machine rue goldberg because so many things have to happen in your favor yeah yeah so many dings

and whistles and hoo-hahs and little trains and trips. Yeah. They have to go off before you can even get your little cookies. And then I would say my third favorite. I mean, honestly, I don't recall. I'm going to say, I'm going to, I'm going to say what mine is. The damn rose petals. You lived? Well, yeah, but I also like looking back I was like holy shit what a like what a giant thing

it was like those she pulled she stuffed her gloves and her wig with rose petals but from the reaction you would think that she cured the cancer she cured the AIDS and she found a way to

eradicate world hunger it is it is child abuse it was beautiful oh but the word is

disproportionate disproportionate yeah yeah it was it was beautiful it was perfectly executed and it was

it was great it was smart and wonderful can I however can I talk out of school for a second absolutely I keep my my ears I tie myself to the tracks is that what it means yes wonderful. Can I talk out of school for a second? Absolutely.

I keep my ears and I tie myself to the tracks. Is that what it means? No, I keep my ear to the ground. I feel the tracks. I've heard rumblings around the office at wow. Yeah. But maybe perhaps they didn't see that ending going the way it did,

but that's the beauty of final lip syncs. If you truly bring a final lip sync yeah that slays yeah you can just scoop that win yes scoops you scoop right in because i'm a diehard shay person so when shay called me the next day it goes i lost to whitney houston lip sync and my mom was watching i'm like no man yeah but that's the beauty of it sasha came in there and said, I'm about to stun on all you whores. And you know what? It's, it's a great, like, I was like, oh, of course. Cause you can't just like expect, I think at that point,

was that season, was that season nine? It was, it was, it was nine. Yeah, it was season nine. You know, it's another lip sync. That's just kind of like, you know, you, you can't expect it to just kind of boot scoot your way to the top, even though I was sure that Shay was going to win. Well, Shay's, again, Shay's such a good lip syncer. You do got to pull out some stunt.

You got to pull out something. Because it's Shay. Although what happened, you know, the domino effect is that then cut to season 10 and you got Jiffy Pop popcorn sitting up there. You got popcorn on the stove sitting up there i'm unavailable to further discuss you got jiffy pop on the stove we gotta define what a revealer thank you thank you so a reveal as webster's dictionary defines it in drag is in a standalone outfit that is good and worthy of enjoyment on its own merits. Thank you.

Regardless of whether or not it doth reveal to something, which it does. So two outfits to complete looks is involved in a reveal, not Jiffy Pop and then a bathing suit. Yeah. Do you remember that? Was it season? Ten.

Eureka, Aquaria and somebody else were literally up there at like jiffy pop jiffy pop it was jiffy pop they looked like the bag that crown royal comes in that purple like velvet bag but you know what i mean there were girls back in the day who like would do reveals at the drag show you know before drag race and would be wearing like a shitty, um, bathroom, a bathroom robe or something. And I'm like, that's, that's not a reveal.

Cause it, it's like a horror that you then, then take, you know what I mean? Like it's crazy. I know exactly what you mean. Or, um,

you know, drag locally, it's a different budget. I remember girls who did the black choir robe a lot. It's like a, you know, a cheap choir. We've all done it.

We've all done it. We've all done it. Yeah. Of course I've done it. I used to do it with trash bags. I used to do it with shitty fur coats, fake fur coats. Yep. You know,

and that's what makes reveals amazing though, is that they are difficult to execute. Yeah. And when they work well, it's gaggy. It's gaggy. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. But you should not see it coming from a mile away. You shouldn't see like, um, they agree. Yeah. Oh, see something's going on. This corner is wild. Okay. We shouldn't see like... They agree. Yeah. Oh, see, something's going on.

This corner is wild. Okay. We got some action down on the corner. We got a man who is interesting, completely nude and rock hard. I think he's using a bird scooter as a mobility device, which I just don't know.

I'm not sure. Well, you know, it's four, it's four o'clock in the afternoon. It's when the most accidents happen. Yeah. Things get really confused in there after four. That's what I've found in Hollywood.

This is when things get dicey. Yeah, absolutely. It's sort of like, like grinder after 1am. Nothing good's happening. Nothing. Nothing.

No. Yeah. Then you get the tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak you get it's the tweak tweak tweak tweak tweak tweak or city yeah yeah yeah nobody's like you up at five like no and that's when um the um the worlds collide you get the the morning crowd and then the after hours crowd mixing and mingling and it's like oh because you know the people like they wake up at 5 a.m and try to get

a little nut before work i do on grinder they really do i think the older men do that or just yeah or just the people who get up early good for them though you know what though there's a finite gotta go absolutely it's all business that's where when i was a hooker um my friend who was also hooker she was like a you know a street walking pavement pounded hooker she said it's lunch and it's the morning shift. That's really, yeah. That's like what you want. But it's tough though because you make appointments. You get in drag at 7 a.m. and nobody show up.

But then you get unlimited nights and weekends. Roll over. Roll over plan. Jivvy plan. You roll over the morning drag to lunch. The lunch shift. The lunch shift. Quick blow and go lunch shift. All right. So you love the so emotional lip sync. What else you. The lunch shift. The quick blow and go lunch shift. Alright, so you

love the so emotional lip sync. What else you got? I did. I also love I think my I loved the one where Ginger cut the boobs off. That nasty nasty. I think we're alone now. Season 7. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like the most stupid and crazy

dumb lip sync. But I remember being there. Maybe it was because I was there in person. But when she gave herself a mastectomy on stage i thought that was really special that was ganky yeah she was always so great ginger's a fantastic lip singer she's fantastic at everything yeah she really is she'll like sell i mean she would never go on stage and be boring bitch who stole christmas i was like ginger could play any of these parts really any of them i haven't seen it yet. She's great. So you live for the mastectomy? I live for the mastectomy

and then I would probably say, what is my number one of all time? There's a few where like whatever, whenever someone lip synced, they always turned it. Jaden? Jaden Dorfhuis? Oh, it's the Natalie Cole. It's that one.

The princess. Not the princess. Yeah, the princess. Dieter Ritz. It was Dieter Ritz and the princess? Yeah. Jackie. That was a perfect example of an excellent lip sync.

I mean, she was wearing whatever. It looked good. She looked fine. Let's just say that she looked fine. She had this wig on, I think she did yeah i think mine was mine's a little bit um smoother a little bit closer to the scale um but it was just delightful i was like it's good it's good it was like peppy and lovely and i would re-watch it because i don't really I kind of tune out during the lip syncs. You do?

I do. I think a lot of people are opposite. They skip to the lip sync. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like the runway.

And then when it comes to lip sync and I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I love the runways. I love the runways. Yeah. But you know what? I can't stand.

Tell me. I really need them to stop. And this was like, I think it reached its fever pitch during Utica season. And she was often criticized for it. The mugging, the mugging on the, the runways. I just stop it.

Honorable mention. Did you watch it? Yeah. She had this great lip sync to fascinate, fascinated by Avenue B. I'm fascinated by your love boy. Utica's a good lip syncer. Okay.

Yeah. I don't doubt that. She's incredible at drag. You are a good lip syncer too. I'm fascinated by your love, boy. Utica's a good lip syncer. Okay. Yeah, I don't doubt that. She's incredible at drag. You are a good lip syncer, too. I'm fine. Yeah. Let's say above serviceable. You are good. I think that's why I've lost so many times.

The most times. People don't know this. I have four losses under my belt. I got five. Lip syncs. And you have five? Five. I think so.

Combined, we have nine. Yeah. Mama, you can't come for that. Try again, Jiffy Pop. It's not going to happen. I've won one lip sync, and it was arguably because it was the top two, and I had so many more wins than Kennedy. Right.

That was your win. Your winning. But you know what? When you go, you go hard. Shit. It's like, if you're going to win, you might as well win it all yes i know do you know what naomi osaka uh the tennis player yeah so she lip-synced before last year she was at the world championship like grand slam yeah and serena williams got disqualified for talking back to the referee. Yes. And so by default, the world watched Osaka win without really beating. Yeah. By technicality.

Although it could be argued such a fabulous athlete could have beat Serena. Absolutely. It could have gone the same way. Yeah. And so we had to watch her receive her world title while she cried and the audience booed. And I'm going to be honest, it gave me all stars three flashbacks. Because people were so mad about Shangela

that everyone was like, how are you holding up? And I'm like, I'm good. My dream came true. How are you? Yeah, it's like you got the golden ticket, but it was like, it was hidden within this like sack of shit

that was hurled through your bedroom window. But you know how delusional I am. Yeah. I was on cloud nine until the interview started the next day and they go, have you been online? And I'm like, no, I've been living. How are you?

Really? Was that the most annoying like, um, uh, press you've done? It has to be. Well, no,

because if you win or lose, you all, you talk to the same outlets. Okay. The conversation just starts with congratulation or sorry. It's the same interviews, same outlets. Gotcha.

Gotcha. I mean, that sucks. That genuinely sucks. It did have kind of like a constellation or what do you call that? Like if, so if you win by default or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. I mean, it was still like, I was still thrilled about it. I was one by default or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. I mean, it was still like, I was still thrilled about it. I was one of the happiest moments. Yes.

And like confetti raining from the sky crying. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. However, what do I, do I wish I would have like had to fight Shangela to the death? Yeah. Yes.

Right. Of course. And then they still would be pressed if you won over her, they would hate you probably even more, you know? Who knows? Yeah. No matter what way you slice it, And then they still would be pressed if you won over her. They would hate you probably even more. Who knows? No matter what way you slice it, someone's always going to have a problem with it.

And that person is me. Including lip syncs. Including lip syncs though. Because before RuPaul calls it, if you've ever been in a gay bar, people are like, no, I think she won. I think she won. Sometimes it's a landslide. Sometimes you know.

Sometimes you have no idea. Sometimes it's a huge upset. Sometimes there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason. Yeah. You've been on that one, that one with Pearl. I was like, come on. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah.

I was shocking. Truly shocking. I mean, season seven was, I think the season of like, excuse me, what now? What was that? That was the weirdest experience. I completely forgot about it. But you know what though, the older I get and the more I look back, the more I'm like, she probably did do better than me. I'm delusional. I always think I'm doing great. So like, I know, but I mean, she probably did do better than me. I don't know. Cause sometimes I do,

I feel like the same thing. I'm like, I was there. I remember, but then also, No, because sometimes I do. I feel like the same thing. I'm like, I was there. I remember. But then also, yeah, exactly. My memory is my perception. Of course, I was 24 and I was like, I didn't there.

So looking back, I'm like, maybe you did it, bitch. Yeah. You also said you were a makeup artist with that makeup looking like that. Boo boo. Which is so great. So great. And I have a makeup company. And what?

There you go. See, that's the thing that's the thing what else you got anything else to drag me yeah seriously hold on let's see okay oh best snatch game

performances oh shit can I tell you I only recently within the last two months have watched your season of snatch game the all stars 3

snatch game and I do we have to talk about it nope we don't all I'm gonna say is that I finished the video and I closed the computer and i looked at the wall the all-stars three didn't have that many good snatch games at all no it was it was it was not it was an it was an old it was snatch game insecure it was snatch game insecure

there's a few that i just think are really, really amazing. Obviously, Jinx as little Edie. Yeah. Sort of like set a precedent for how good a Snatch Game could be. Yes. Yeah. I loved, got Mika's Paris Hilton. I thought it was so smart and good. Yaggy.

Yeah. And also she got the look down and she got the whole like essence of it really well. You know, like it wasn't like side splittingly funny to me, but it was like really smart. And I was like, Oh yeah, you got that. You know what that is? Yeah. Bob,

Carol Channing halfway through. I asked Bob, like, did you tell anyone? He goes, no, I was afraid they'd say no. So I just did it.

That's yeah. That's the attitude. That's the attitude. That's Bob steamroller bulldozer. Bob's like, I'm not going to tell anyone because I won't be controlled either way. You know what I mean? I was like,

I'm doing it. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, who is my favorite one of all time i think my favorite was little richard's up there bitch that's up like little richard is one of the first and nobody had done the boy stuff at that time trailblazer that was really yeah kennedy if you're listening to this crazy that was so unexpected but then in all-star she did pager parks and it was a flop so it's hard it's hard to do well in snatch game and you have to live up to it yeah that's why like i think same thing happened to tatiana she like it was a fluke and then she flopped fluke and then flop and um fluke wilson yeah fluke wilson

and then flop um flop uh flopping him mortimer or something yeah i don't know i don't like i hate the snatch game as a viewer people love it i don't i don't necessarily gag for it no not anymore i'll tell you this anymore and i might tell you this in personal experience okay it's the one that if you do badly it will never be forgiven i know if you flop a sewing challenge no one remembers it you flop a sewing challenge, no one remembers it. You flop a dance challenge, no one cares. You flop that, it's all people will ever think about.

Yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, it's bad. It's a stink that follows you. It is. It's a stink that follows you around.

Yeah. I'm fine with it now. Yeah. I'm at peace with it. I don't like either of my snatch games, but I do remember feeling significantly more comfortable the second time.

Oh, you were great both times. Yeah. Okay. So, the were great both times. Okay. So the favorite, let's see, favorite looks, styles,

makeup of all time. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. I can go off. Do you have like a top three sitting in your brain? Raven. Everybody you see on Drag Race now, pretty much a lot of them are doing Raven in some iteration. Yeah.

That's totally fair. India Farah. I think she has one of the most amazing makeups in history of Drag Race. It's so much. There's so much makeup. The amount of Roxy. Roxy. Roxy Andrews. The bottom lashes. I mean, she's just the makeup artistry. Naomi Smalls.

Kimberly. Kim Chi. Kimberly, yeah. Kim Chi changes her face dramatically every every single time yeah every time and then i like i look i look at her like sort of makeup uh journey on drag race and then i look at my own and i'm like interesting we have a fascinating makeup artist on the one hand and then we have this woman who doesn't seem to feel the need to wear any makeup or lashes or anything. Or lipstick. Lipstick, yeah. Mayhem Miller.

Mayhem Miller's makeup is just absolutely to die for. Yeah, she's good. You like big drag pants. You like big, big, big, big. Tammy Brown. Okay, well, that's a little bit different. That's a little bit different. Well, Matthew Anderson said that Tammy Brown's the only person who's ever been on Drag Race

That he wouldn't change a thing about the face Really? Because he said Tammy's just perfect Wow that is a damn compliment That's a compliment Aquaria's makeup is pretty out of this world I know I look at her and I'm like how does she do it And it's like well the 21 year old's skin doesn't hurt

It doesn't But her skin is fucking flawless It's incredible But it's stretched on her? And it's like, well, the 21 year old skin doesn't hurt, you know, but her skin is fucking flawless. It's incredible. But it's stretch on her skull. And that's tough. I mean, there's not like a lack of great makeup artists. No.

Fame. Fame. Fame. I mean, fame just blew my mind. Yeah. I love her face. Yeah.

I love her face. It's so so technical it's like looking at a sketch of a like a fashion drawing or something yeah it is it is absolutely stunning and she in she's my age almost she's a little younger than me and her skin looks 25 years younger than mine and it appears about you, three times as tight. Her skin looks like clay still on the wheel. Wet, smooth. And yours has been fired, you know? Fallen off the shelf and then swept up into the bin.

Yeah. I mean, she is truly beyond this planet beautiful. It's just unreal what she does. She's amazing. Yeah. Okay. Who else? I think my favorite makeup of all time would have to be fame.

I think Raven is the second for drag, but fame just in terms of beauty, woman, everything, is Miss Fame. And some people have gotten so great. Monique Hart's face at this present day is unbelievable. Oh, yeah. Who do you think has had the best glow up? Oh, we got a little action down on the...

The best glow up? I would say Jinx. Oh, Jinx is just beautiful. So refined. Yeah. The makeup is just... Stunning. Oh, you know who else has makeup?

Roger. Roger. Oh. Raja. I call her Roger. Yeah, Roger. Yeah, Roger. We did a show together in Provincetown and we sat next to each

other and I watched her get ready every day. She gets ready in 20 minutes and she's 50 or close to, I mean, obviously she has a great skin. That middle skin tone is kind of like Rue where the highlights and work really well. Yeah. When you're really fair, what's the next highlight? White. White. And then also if you're, if you're fair and then working with time, forget about it. Yeah. Forget forget about it roger i mean that makeup artistry is absurd and quick quick well she's also she's a freaking top model i always forget about top model working as a makeup artist alongside tyra banks wow incredible um i think the yeah so i would say that the the golden whatever you know the number one for makeup for me would be Fame, Raven.

Fame, Raven, Roger. Roger. Yeah, Roger. Honorable mention, Michelle is just fucking killing it, dude. Her makeup people. Yeah, they are. I went and visited her during one of the seasons of a UK drag race, and I got to see the girl do it up close,

and it was just like, wow. Is it a different process than what you do? Do you get interested? Like, do you look in the mirror ever when you're getting makeup on and do you go like, I wish I knew how to do X, Y, Z. Do you, do you look at the mirror and get frustrated? Do you not like your makeup? Always.

Always. I always get frustrated. I hardly ever like it. You know, when you'd say like, don't paint yourself into a corner. That's what I've done yes and i've gone so hard and so heavy for so long that i have no concept of how to scale back nor desire yeah i was gonna say yeah what would that even look like i don't know i would say i think you got you're really kind of like you have the ticket there because you know you just have this mask this I know. This volleyball mask. Wilson.

I look like Wilson. You do. The red paint. You do, but it's very refined. I'm just old. I did look horrible on season seven. Horrible. At times, yeah.

There's a few episodes where I was like, like my ugly runway. Ironically, my makeup was gorgeous. But it's pretty bad a lot of the time. Like melted fat-free butter. You know, yeah. Yeah, it's tough bad a lot of the time. Like melted fat-free butter. You know, yeah. Yeah, it's tough. Sometimes, yeah.

But I had no lips and no eyelash. Did you not wear lip liner ever? Did you just put on lipstick? No lip liner? Claw down. Claw down. Did you follow your real lip line? Yes.

Why? Because I didn't know any better. No one ever told you? No one ever told me nothing. No one ever told me nothing. How did you learn to overdraw your lips by um just by observing other people do it i think i don't know honestly i don't know do you remember pearl doing that no lip liner just one matte lipstick it was a wet stamp a wet circle around your mouth i was like interesting i was like so it was like kool-aid it was giving kool-aid mustache yeah It was giving Kool-Aid mustache. Yeah. You know, that was the whole, that I don't get.

But, you know. So you hate her. I hate her guts. I hate her. I hope she dies. I hope she dies. Everyone dies. Let's see.

So, okay. So fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Fashion. Do you like running the run, walking the runway on Drag Race? Do you do?

Love it. I feel plugged in. I feel alive. And I actually think I'm a really good runway walker. Okay. And everyone can invite me on that. What do you think is this,

why do you think that you're a good runway walker? What is your strength? What's your secret? There's a bounce and I believe it. I have no shred, even if I look like shit.

Okay, you sell it. I don't know that. You're selling it. If I look like shit, that has nothing to do with me. I think I look great. So like the fact that I might look like crap,

that has nothing to do with me. That's not my problem. So like the fact that I might look like crap, that has nothing to do with me. That's not my problem. I'm feeling it. Okay. And I get excited. I don't ever pull anything out on that runway that I don't like. Right. So even when the judges didn't like it,

I was like, I love it. Okay. Yeah. Tomato, tomato. Yeah. And I like movement.

I like rolling my hips. I like not moving my face and just like painted on unmovable skin. Yeah. I like walking the runway. I like it. Okay. Jesus Christ christ do you like it i do i just wish it weren't so darn slippery you could do the theater school thing where you pour coca-cola on the floor and then you step in it and then it makes the bottom of your heels sticky we did it with our tap shoes really did you ever score the the sole of the shoe with a scissor? Yeah.

No. No. Brandon told me not to because Brandon said, when you do daytime TV and you sit on a couch and you cross your legs, the bottom of your shoes has to be pristine or you're going to jail. That's true. Brandon says if I ever do that kind of TV, he's going to paint the bottom of the shoes that day.

Well, good. Because all you've got in your future is daytime TV. And that's it. Days of our lives. Yeah. If you just got hooked onto future is daytime TV. And that's it. If you just got hooked onto a soap and worked that angle until the

rest of your life, I mean, that would be incredible. That would be wild. It would be the closest thing we could ever get you to soap. Period. Would be me getting on a soap. I saw when you said soap, your eye twitched a little bit. Clean. No. Don't do it. I saw when you said soap, your eye twitched a little bit clean.

No, don't do it. Um, do you like, do you feel hot, sexy and beautiful and fly when you're on the runway? I do. I like it.

I like it. And I, most of the time I feel like what I'm, I'm not a mugger on the runway. I don't think I like to, I love just modeling. I love just modeling, just going straight for it.

Just playing it straight. Just being a model. I believe that you think that, but I don't need to do the whole like, Oh, it is kind of ticked on dance. Blip, blip, blip.

Yeah. Like here, right. Or in the point, all of the little gestures and the little things I'm walking over here. Mama, we already know that. And also the one thing that is the biggest pet peeve of mine as a viewer of the

show is mama don't explain what you're wearing by saying what it is tell us why you're wearing it do you know what i mean like the whole like here i am i'm fierce in this red sexy dress and gosh don't i look fucking fierce in this red dress this dress is so red and so sexy and so fierce you can't handle it. You did this you described your runway looks in a way that I don't think anybody else has ever done. It was like my favorite part of the whole interview. Tell us

about the look. Make up a story. I don't know. But no one ever tried to do what you did. And no one wanted to. How do you feel that you did something that no one ever else wanted to do what you did and no one wanted to how do you feel that you tried you did something that no one ever else wanted to do again well well you know trailblazer i like walking the run i do yeah it's one of the few times like in that whole area that's like you're in charge and you don't have to worry about nothing it's the main event yeah and it about, and it's a precursor to the worst part, which is standing, standing still.

And oh my God. Yeah. That's the only thing I don't like about the lip syncs because the lip syncs all happen at the end of the day after standing up all day when the makeup is not fresh, when the body is tired, you know, that's like,

that's tough. That's tough. It sucks. It doesn't necessarily yield the best performance. Yeah. You know, i remember at the end of all stars we did kitty girl in the morning and then the runways all day and then at the end of the day it was like 9 p.m and i was getting ready for wrecking ball lip sync for the

top two are you serious yes well all in day i was in drag at least 12 out 14 hours with a corset on and i remember standing leaning on a wall with a corset on going, you never have to do this again. You never have to do this again. Yeah. Cause it's so horrible. That's, that's, that's too much. That's too much. And your face, like, I mean, my face would have been like, like whodunit. I've reached the age where now, like no matter how much I will it, marathon drag, my face

eats makeup now. Yeah. The texture, the open pores, the sagging, the oils. Yeah. Eating. Pac-Man eating. Yes. Yeah.

It's who, it is rotten. And no amount of good lighting and no amount of air con can, can, you can't fight old man winter. He's coming. He's coming.

You know what I mean? It's like, it's the math equation at that point. It's like, well, physiological issue. Yes. It's a geological dilemma.

Cause the texture. Tectonic plates. Oh God. The texture. equation at that point it's like well physiological issue yes it's a geological dilemma because the texture tectonic plates oh god the texture when you just do this in drag and you're supposed to be a woman and you do this and it's fucking tim allen that's never happened to me it's tim allen from what's it how many hours you got until you're getting sandpaper are you serious four four yeah which makes if you think about um the amount of times i've hooked up in drag i think that puts a very hitchcockian um a spin on it do you know what i mean it's like it's like jumanji or whatever not jumanji yeah it's exactly like jumanji it's like i feel like indiana jones uh with the the the giant boulder behind me oh yeah in the that's the spooky boulder

i'm about to get spooked. And that's, you know, yeah, it's horrible. It's just a, it's a, it's a waiting game and it, it just four good solid hours of smooth and that's it.

That's fucking it. Yeah. Gun to your head. You have to sit and binge a whole season. Which one's your fave to watch? I'm going to go with season four or season three. Uh, with Roger, Roger, vanilla. I'm going to go with season three. With Roger.

Roger. Vanilla. I'm going to go with season three only because those challenges. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Like the money ball and stuff. Yes.

Crazy. And unthinkable. Unthinkable. And characters, wild characters. Yeah. Talent. Talent. What about you?

I would say that five is pretty amazing. Yeah. Alaska, Jinx, that five is pretty amazing. Yeah. Alaska, Jinx, Alyssa. Alyssa, yeah. Coco. I mean, it's off the fucking rails. It's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. And then I actually thought eight was really good. You get Bob, you get Kim, you get Chi-Chi, you get Betty, you get Thorgy. Oh, that's right. It's got a good one to eight. Boo-boo outfits. Yeah.

Oh, but no but the the girls the girls served naomi and kim and um thorgy and what's her face and actually quite liked 13 got mc simone yeah candy yeah lalary i mean it's so many good ones in lalary the bag ball the bag ball was in that was amazing it was amazing shangela let out a sigh of relief when that came down the runway she was like i'm off the hook i know i mean that was it was amazing. It was amazing. Shangela let out a sigh of relief when that came down the runway. She was like, I'm off the hook. I know. I mean, it was wild.

I remember watching that. I watched it with a group of friends. There were probably like 15 of us at the most, and maybe like 10 to 15 of us every week. And it was like truly men yelling at the TV about sports. It was screaming. I screamed. We had Violet on the pit stop and she certainly,

let's just, we gave the nice edit of what Violet said about that look. If you can imagine, do you see the video of Violet falling through the table? No, I get it. You have to show me when we're, yeah, I'm going to show me.

I'm showing you now. Okay. Well, yeah, that's a good way to, who? Guess who's the drag queen who just has a phone full of Kim. Of course. Of course. good way to who guess who's the drag queen who just has a phone full of kim of course of course

so we're going to end this um lovely drag race recap episode with a a video of i'm just going to do this so everybody can be a part that is incredible everybody can be a part of this yeah push play there you go I mean if Violet's beautiful little fragile self did that I would have taken the building down what is that material I thought that looked like marble it was not marble it was not someone lied to her several times look at the material it looks like that was foam core that was foam core

someone set her up I mean she's not petite. She's thin. Is she healing okay? I actually haven't. I'm assuming her wrist is okay. Violet fell off her. Oh, Humpty Dumpty fell off the Lyra.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did. But it was fine. I think it wasn't a major, major, major like. It was tough. I worry for her. I know. That's part of what makes that so compelling though.

It's like, oh my God, she could die. Oh my God, she could die. That thing goes way up there and she's got no wire and it's very nerve wracking. Corseted in a wig. And she performs like, and if I die and what? And what? I just hope that if she does fall,

I mean, I think the thing is like, you want to, you want to really go. You want to, when you fall. I'm okay to go. Yeah.

When you fall, you want that neck to snap. Well, I want, that's where that table comes in. Cause if she falls, she breaks the fall on that foam core table. She lives. Oh, yeah.

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