The Bechdel Cast - Clueless with Nikki Glaser

Episode Date: April 20, 2017

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Hi, welcome to the Bechdel cast. My name is Jamie. My name's Caitlin. I just opened a Mike's Hard Lemonade, and boy does it smell like cough syrup. What did I get? You got the right flavor. The strawberry lemonade. You got the right flavor.

It's like sugar. It's like sugar. It's like juice. Juice that makes you do bad things. This is the Bechdel cast. Should we tell them what it is? We can. It's a podcast about the representation and portrayal of women characters in movies. It's inspired by the Bechdel test.

Boy, is it. Wow. If you don't know what it is, I'm about to tell you. Grow up. See? It's a test that requires that two women in a movie or a show or something like that speak to each other. And it has to be about something other than a man. Preferably, these people have names.

True. But sometimes that is asking too much. Sometimes it is. Yeah. And that really is it. How are you? Are you good? I'm good. Good.

How are you? I'm great. I'm glad we did this little check-in. Never been better. Yeah. All right, let's get to it. Yeah, let's do it. Our guest is a very funny comedian.

She had a show on Comedy Central called Not Safe, Nikki Glaser. Hey, guys. Hi. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me. I'm a big fan of this test. It's a good test. And there's not many tests that one can claim to be a fan of. No, I think this is pregnancy tests, AIDS tests, and then this one. Yeah. And that's all. You know what? One time I took like an AP calc test and I aced it and I felt great about that test. Oh, good. How did you actually do on the AP exam though? Oh, I never took any of the AP exams.

I got a five on the English and a two on the French. It's literally like my only thing that I can brag about scholastically. That's great though. Otherwise I was pretty average. I think I would have gotten like a 2 if I took the AP English test. Yeah, something was right that day. I think it was the day George Harrison died. I remember driving to the test.

Or maybe that was my SATs. I don't know. Yeah, I just remember I took a test on the day George Harrison died, and I was just like, wow, my sweet lord. My SAT, I took the SATs at a different school with all these really cool girls and I was just like, my sweet lord. My SAT, I took the SATs at a different school with all these really cool girls that I was afraid to talk to.

I got my period and I didn't have a pad and I was afraid to talk to them. I free bled during my SATs and got the second highest score in my entire high school. That's great. That was amazing. I really drew from within

that well there's a tip for you demolished a pair of white jeans oh my god it's the worst i went to college why are we so embarrassed to ask for that's another thing like they're making tampons just smaller and smaller so we can just like palm them to each other like drugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always like parade mine like, I've got a tampon. Like it's so, it's funny. I don't understand adult women who are still like, eww. It's like, who cares? Or like they'll disguise the packaging too so that you would think it could be something else.

It's like, why does that? Yeah. I'm like a big proponent of the maxi pad that is like the thickness of war and peace. I just like carry three of them around at all times. I want there to be a movie character that like instead of Edward Scissorhands, it's like Sally Tampon Hands. And then for each of her five fingers, it's just a tampon. Oh, that's great. And she's just like, hey.

She's very proud to display her tampons. Yeah. She's a friend to all. Yeah. I know on Inside Amy Schumer, they had a commercial that was like a tampon saxophone. It was a saxophone that hid your tampon so you wouldn't be embarrassed. But you could go to the bathroom with a huge saxophone. Oh, I love saxophone humor.

Me too. It's great. You throw one of those in there. We haven't mentioned your oboe in a while. We haven't mentioned my oboe in a while. I mean, just an update on it. It's still in the backseat of my car. I'm still waiting for your oboe in a while. We haven't mentioned my oboe in a while. I mean, just an update on it. It's still in the backseat of my car. I'm still waiting for an oboe emergency.

One day there will be one and I will be there. It is amazing how many, like when I'm hanging out with someone and I'll try to bring it into conversation and be like, oh yeah, I've got an oboe in the back of my car. If you ever need an oboe. Do you play theoe i used to yeah in high school and i remember i i forced my friend uh to listen to me play a scale a couple weeks ago so still got it i'm still resentful i will i will honestly call me at any hour of the day that's friendship i'll come over is there any scale popular song that has an oboe in it that you can just tell me right now? Ooh, I can think of a Bright Eyes song off the top of my head.

Which one? Make a Plan to Love Me from Casadega. Okay, don't know that one, but that's good enough. I do know, yeah. And it's in Peter and the Wolf. It's the duck, which is pretty awful. And that's what they would call it. Okay.

So the answer to my question was no. The answer is no. It's not a popular instrument and people don't seem to ever want it around. But in case they do, someday. You're prepared. There'll be a day. Someday there'll be an orchestra in trouble. To play a scale. Yeah. Hey hey should we talk about the movie oh fine the movie we're talking about today is clueless yeah nikki when had you first seen it i saw it when i was when it first came out so

what was that 95 yeah so i was in sixth grade, like early sixth grade. Yeah. I remember my dad took me and my friends and I most likely watched the TBS cut version of it. So who knows how much I actually saw. There isn't that much. There's no swearing. There's any suggestion of sexuality. It's not something I think would have to be censored on TBS. No. But TBS just cuts it down for commercials.

And they take out good stuff. I would love to interview the person who does the TBS cuts. Cause like what an innovator of the form. So many interesting corners cut. Yeah. I mean, there's, I was like fine tuned to it.

Cause I'm like, Ooh, what did I miss? Right. They say shit quite a bit. And I was like, Oh, that would have given me such a,

such a kick. But now you got to go to the mics harder now that's why i'm hitting the mics harder so harder it's bad um but yeah i saw in middle school and i loved it and i haven't seen it in years yeah i uh i don't think i saw it until i was maybe early college i watched it again you again to prep for this episode and I forgot that I like this movie. Yeah, it's good. It's probably the movie I've seen more than any other movie. Yeah, really? And so I could recite it.

Nice. So that's kind of where I'm at with it. And it's aged really well, too. It has. The fashion is still good. Yes. And Paul Rudd hasn't aged at all. Not day god he's a mummy day he really is you let's start that rumor i'm always looking to start a good rumor a good mummy rumor yeah yeah paul rudd and it's a complimentary rumor but yeah he's a mummy i like that you picked mummy and not

vampire mummies are like he He's definitely not a mummy because of how he looks. Vampire we could maybe... Because vampires are young forever. Wait, do mummies live forever? Oh, I guess they're like dead and they just keep living. Right, mummies are... But they are very stitched up

and got a lot of bandages. They're not known for looking young. I guess now that I think of it i'm sticking with it paul red's a mummy okay cool cool i want paul red to be my mommy it's like hey daddy but hey mommy i really thought he was gay in that movie like he comes off like i thought he not in the movie because he's straight in the movie but like when he's like we got marky mark to plant a celebrity tree i always can play that over and over we got marky mark which i thought was a reference to boogie nights turns out clueless came out two years before that yeah marky mark was nothing then. Like, he was a joke then. Oh, you got Marky Mark.

He was in B-Ball Diaries that year. Take time from his pants-dropping schedule. But now it would be a huge deal to get Mark Wahlberg to plan a celebrity trip. Well, that's why I thought it was a Boogie Nights thing. I thought they were like, oh, he drops his pants and shows his big dick in Boogie Nights.

Oh, right. We just did that movie. That's so funny. A couple episodes ago. Yeah. But no, it turns out they were foreshadowing boogie nights and clueless yes so wow what a what an innovative movie clueless man it is it's so

good yeah paul red looks exactly the same as he probably did this morning uh given that he's a mummy that's how mummies operate um alicia silverstone is so great so good i forgot that there's a character in this movie with braces murray oh my god and that really i'm keeping it real i'm keeping it real i'm gonna just keep quoting it i'm sorry but like his gooey braces are so funny yeah and i think you never see that in high school movies i'm assuming that they were real or i don't know maybe yeah good old i'm not sure turk from scrubs yeah i kept calling him scrubs in my head i had brunch next to him one day in the deep deep valley i was just gonna say i just had

brunch next to breckmire, who plays Travis. Right, yeah. Wow. We are brunching with the clueless dogs. I had, when I was deciding whether to move here or not, I got two brunches in a row, which, kill me. That's not good. But both times, Zach Braff was

there alone. What? How? Wow. He seemed like he was, I say alone, but he was projecting the confidence that it was on purpose. Oh, gotcha. How? Wow. He seemed like he was, but like I say alone, but he was projecting the confidence that like it was on purpose. Oh, gotcha. Good for him.

Good for him. Good for him. So did it pass the test? I don't know. It definitely does. Yeah. Yeah. It does.

Wait, hold on. Let me try to think of who, so two women, her and Dion talk about getting their driver's license? I mean, there's a, it passes the test every few scenes, I would say. Really? Yeah.

I mean, the three main characters, it's Cher, played by Alicia Silverstone. And they do talk about men a lot. They do. A lot. I was thinking of all the conversations. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's a lot about men. I don't know what the first scene you picked up on, but mine was when d first gets into share's car and they have a talk about what they're wearing which is you know not the best you know version of that but it does pass pretty quickly yeah i forgot to actually write

down the scenes i think i was like oh i'm just gonna lose track like why bother but right i mean there's scenes where yeah they're talking about their clothes and grades driving how to drive properly which neither none of them can do very well i love that the scariest thing that could happen to any of these people in this movie is getting on the freeway so funny and they and that brings them that that's such a horrifying experience that her d and her boyfriend have sex after that because they're so bonded from their trauma. So funny. Oh, it was so good. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, and then Cher and Ty, played by Brittany Murphy, talk an awful lot about things that aren't men. So it passes the test, like I said, every few scenes. Right.

I think that there is at least one scene, even though there's at least one scene, even though there's at least one scene with the teacher. I can't remember her name. Yeah, Miss Geist. Miss Geist, yeah. There's a few scenes

with Dee and Sharon. Oh, yeah. Talking about the hurricane and, God, where was it? Oh. Something beach. Pismo Beach. Pismo Beach, yeah.

Pismo Beach disaster. And she's like, Daddy, they lost everything. They need skis, too. Don't you think that includes sporting equipment? Right. Very good, Cher. Oh, I love Cher's dad.

I love Cher's dad. What a great, like... I mean, every... The casting in that movie is fantastic. It's wonderful, yeah. And just, like, a good male parent. That doesn't happen a lot. Yes.

Right. She does have dead mommy syndrome. She does. She's a little dizzy princess. She's a little dizzy princess with no mommy. But her mom died in a liposuction accident. I forgot about that. That's so funny.

And they have an oil painting of her in their home. Yep. That's my dream. they have an oil painting of her in their home yeah that's my dream not a good oil painting i don't want my child to know me and i want there to be an oil painting so real quick i'll do a recap of the story there's no necessarily like cohesive narrative in terms of like this character wants something and they're gonna go out and get i mean like they're in high schools they want like a boyfriend they want love they want friendship uh i feel like share wants to help that's like her vague and then she wants a boyfriend right right and she wants to have sex it's pretty much she wants to grow up she has a close friend named dion played by the

just wonderful stacy dash who saw that coming i used to love her so much. Yeah, that's upsetting. She pulled a Dennis Miller. They go to high school together in Beverly Hills. Cher's dad is a litigator, and he's, like, you know, overprotective, and he always wants her to argue her way out of any problem she has. And, you know, they go to high school. They have friends. Some of them are, like, loser stoner guys.

Some of them are popular boys. They go to high school. They have friends. Some of them are like loser stoner guys. Some of them are popular boys. They go to parties. I don't know. This is a bad recap. There's a character with braces. There's a character. And she has a stepbrother who lives with her who is very annoying and then becomes kind of a player in her group of friends. Right.

So her like former stepbrother. Right. Former stepbrother. That's right. That's right. Which is what makes this part of the movie okay. Who is like the most freshman in college person of all time. And this is the first time I watched

this movie that I was old enough to be able to appreciate that because I don't think I'd seen it in a long time. But it was like all those vague like sociology quotes or like the little goatee. He's reading Nietzsche at the beginning. Right, right. I was like, oh, you're 19. Yes.

That's what's going on here. That's great. Yeah. So Josh, played by Paul Rudd, is Cher's former stepbrother. But his mom and her dad got married and then divorced, so they're not related in any way anymore, which is good because then they end up together. She finds out toward the end of the movie,

she's like, oh my God, this whole time I've loved Josh. What a great sequence. I love figuring it out. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da! It's the fountain that springs out of her head. She's like, oh my God, I love when she da-da-da-da-da-da-da The fountain springs out of her head. She's like, oh my god, I love Josh. I'm madly crazy

butt love in love with something. In love with Josh and I don't know how to tell him. And then she goes home and she's so awkward around him. Which is so great because the second you start liking someone, you can't keep it cool. No, not at all.

She's like, I care about the news. I thought they declared peace in the Middle East. But yeah, they have a great little kiss at the end. And when they're like, she goes to playfully hit him and he's like, no, we're kissing. Oh, that's a good one. That was one of the kisses I studied as a teen to be like how do you do it yes that and can't hardly wait those were my two kisses that i studied and i was like oh you have to like blink and like jennifer love hewitt in that kiss scene study it kids wait learn from the master her body is a wonderland what movie is it where like the boys, you got to make her look up at the stars and then kiss her?

Is that that movie? No. Okay, I'll edit that stupid comment out. No. No, keep it. Someone out there knows that movie and is happy you said that. Tweet at us. Yeah.

I love Cher and Christian's relationship. Oh my God. I had my best friend in high school. We ended up nicknaming each other Sharon Christian because the syndrome of like I was the last girl he asked out before he was like, OK, I've been gay the whole time. I'm like, oh, good. I broke you. And I love I love how, you know, he we learn he's a gay character and it's and then they're just immediately friends for the rest of the movie. And it's, there's not a confrontation. There's like nothing like that. Like share for all of her weirdness is such an accepting, cool person.

And like, doesn't, I don't know. Like even when people fuck up, she either finds a way to help or cut them out of her life in a kind of like, I was like, man, she manages her life more healthily than i do she does and she's uh for a popular girl she's not a bitch and i think dion

has some of those qualities of like judgmental and especially with britney murphy's character in the beginning and amber of course is like the villain character and she's a bitch too and um but Cher was always like so lovely and she's nice to Travis after he gets sober and like I you know I I love uh and then I love the sequence where she like does a makeover on Brittany Murphy yeah my god yeah so I have some conflicting thoughts about this movie because on one hand it's like we have to like talk about other stuff and just be like I like this part and then this part's cool, too. There's many rules. We can mostly do that. But on one hand, it's about this, she's good, but she's also kind of vapid, slightly airheaded, but also kind of smart, materialistic, Beverly Hills rich girl.

And the movie does satirize that, but it also kind of glamorizes it totally right so part of me is like well which is like probably why it's confusing for like young people seeing it being like i just love it when they say as if and they like don't get all the the satire and the jokes sort of poking fun at this lifestyle it's not super overt the satire but um i don't know like it's also a movie that celebrates female friendship and shows mostly them supporting each other um there is like kind of a rivalry between share and amber and then at one point share and ty get into an argument and they say some kind of nasty things to each other but then they can't drive and she tears up but uh they make up pretty quickly and they apologize and things go back to being good again so um mostly it's yeah it's about

Cher just like supporting those around her especially the the women in her life so that's a refreshing thing to see especially for like a high school we talked about like heathers uh on an earlier episode and that's a movie just about how teenage girls are friends but they also hate each other right so it's it was nice to see a different version of high school relationships between women right and i mean i mean if we're getting into it i guess i mean we can look at the whole britney murphy makeover scene is why are they trying to change her yeah totally why and and she's so and and uh when they're actively pulling her away from travis over and over yeah even though it's like man it's so clear connection yeah that scene in the lunch line where she's like i drew marvin the martian i was like you little cute stoners oh it's so cute that scene is so cute you didn't trace it yeah you really drew that and i just some

little guys over here yeah oh god her little yeah her accent is so fun she's so good she's amazing um was amazing yeah oh god i just got sad me too Me too. Her death really affected me. I was, like, really bummed. I mean, not that other people's don't, but it was just, like, she would be, like, still working a lot right now. For sure. She wouldn't be Stacey Dashing. Ugh, Stacey. Also, I looked up, Stacey Dash was, like, 26 when she was in this movie.

Yes. Which is, and she had me fooled. Incredible. I mean, almost everyone else in this movie is pretty age appropriate within a few years, with the exception of Stacey Dash. It's crazy. Yeah, it's wild.

Then she turned into a Republican, transphobe, racist. Maybe she's a mummy. Maybe she's a mummy. I've always thought that. She's not a good person. And that was so disappointing to learn. You know what? I was thinking about when you were saying, like, some people maybe couldn't see the satire.

And I don't know that I saw it all. And I did think some stuff was cool. Like, her closet was cool. And I don't think they were even trying to make that seem like. The computer closet. I mean, like, oh, my God. The fact that that doesn't exist now makes me wait a minute that scene where she's like on the computer and there's a program that like matches her outfits

yeah i was like that's what ali from single white female invented that's her program i forgot because we mentioned it in that episode of like what is she even do yeah that's so funny that's why and that movie came out before this, right? Single Life Email? Yeah, it was like 91 or 92. This is our Pixar theory. Everything is connected. I really enjoyed all the pop culture references in this movie. There's a 2001 The Space Odyssey illusion where she's like waiting for Christian to call her.

And it's her like, it's just like this obelisk of the phone. I always wondered what that was until obviously later but i was like that was such a weird cinematic choice yeah and then i was like oh okay it is good finally calls i i liked when uh marie was explaining to share that christian was gay and used like oh my god like friend of dorothy that like you saw barbra streisand ticket holding yeah i just want to live in a world yeah yeah i would just want to live in a world where a high school boy would have that vocabulary to be able to say that to me he gives about every boy i had a crush on in high school uh he gives another funny speech where he keeps calling Dion, he's like, hey, woman, and she's like, don't call me woman.

Oh, yeah. And then he says this whole thing like, blah, blah, blah, and it's something, but it doesn't have to have like misogynistic undertones or something like that. I wish I had read that.

And she's like, speaking of vehicular sex, I was like, what is vehicular sex? I thought that was, I didn't understand what she was saying. She's like, I found this in the back of your car. And she's like, it's one of your stringy things. She's like, I don't wear synthetic hair.

Oh man, there's so many good lines. One of my favorites is, they're like, the PC term for virgin is hymenally challenged. Oh, I was gonna say, one of my favorite trivia pieces of this whole movie is when she's giving the RSVP. It does not say RSVP on the Statue of Liberty.

And she's calling them, she calls the Haitians, Haitians. Yeah. That actually, she actually made that mistake in like rehearsal. And they were like, don't tell her, just let her do it. And then it was like. That's great. It's a nice little Easter egg. There was some fun.

I love when Cher calls Amber a Monet. Oh, yeah. She's praying for her. But when you get close, she's a total mess. It's like, oh. Yeah. But that is like one of the satirical things that you could argue is like, oh, that would be so fun for a young girl to hear. And it totally was and still is. things that you could argue is like, oh, that would be so fun for a young girl to hear.

And it totally was and still is. But if you fail to see the irony in it, could maybe plant some seeds of meanness in your tiny little brain. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I was at a very impressionable age when I saw it, when I started becoming obsessed with celebrity stuff and it became like, I'm not good enough. And when I saw that that movie there wasn't anything in it that really made me feel like i need to be like these people they were so outlandish and so far removed from what i know and i think as much as i admired share and thought she was pretty and

had cool clothes there i i recognize i thought she was nice i think in the end she was a nice person and um i didn't like any of the meanness from the other girls. It didn't like make me want to be mean, but I'm a nice I was a nice person. So who knows? And there isn't as much of the meanness as you might expect in this movie. Like, for example, in Mean Girls, there's a lot more as you might imagine and i feel like in a lot of movies about high school high school students high school women especially there's just so much pettiness and cattiness and even if they're friends they're still just nasty to each other and it's also i was thinking towards the end it's not the worst

even if it's most likely inaccurate in every way it's not the worst thing to tell young audiences that being very nice you can be very nice and also be very popular. Like, I don't think that that's a super normalized idea, especially in, you know, the 90s. So it was nice to be like, oh, she's a decent person.

She cares about the people around her. And she's the most popular girl in school, which is kind of cool. Yeah. I like that. The ending, I do like when she's like, she catches the bouquet

and she ends up with her ex-stepbrother, which is fine because there's total chemistry and they're not connected anymore. But I love when you're like she kind of does a switcheroo anywhere. You think like, oh, my God, she's going to get married. She's like, oh, gross. We're not as if we're not from Kentucky. Like because it is funny because in my mind they're still together but that was they were in high school like and he was a friend there's no way they're still together but i'm like they found lasting love that will last forever and it so didn't but that's the sort

of thing where like three years from then absolutely that's like share's party story of like yeah i used to date my step brother like it's a great party story for when you inevitably break up she might have gotten into stand up because of that oh I wanted to talk about I forget what the name of that asshole character is Elton

he's obviously a piece of shit there's a definite rapey yeah I wanted to talk about that scene. Because Cher does the best she possibly can in that situation in the moment. But that was a scene that didn't register with me the first time I watched it. And this time we're like, oh my god. He's trying to rape her.

And then she's like, no, leave me alone. And he abandons her in the parking lot of this liquor store I pass all the time. All the time. All the time. I loved when I used to pass that. I would be like, but it's a liar and a what a? She's like, really expensive designer. And he's like, I'm going to really blow your fucking head off.

She's like, oh, that's a great part. But I totally agree with you that that did not stand out to me as like really that horrible. I was just like, he's a jerk or whatever. But looking back, and I don't even think they intended it. Because I think back then in 95, that was not qualified as a rape assault of any sort. It was so normalized. A boy wanted to kiss a girl and she didn't feel like kissing him and but him leaving her like yeah it was uh that was traumatic she does say she's like oh what a night this has become i was sexually harassed oh okay so she does call it out but

because scenes like that especially at the time they were just so normalized we like see scenes like that from that era and even yeah i mean like i can't cite another one off the top of my head but for sure we've all seen that exact scene a number of times and it's just like the takeaway is supposed to be like she rejected him right not not that like he did anything wrong extremely yeah my first kiss was actually very similar to that and it scared me off from boys for so long i i mean it was already late i was like 16 when i had my first kiss was actually very similar to that and it scared me off from boys for so long i i mean it was already late i was like 16 when i had my first kiss but he just and i i was like i liked him and we both were kind of like we like each other and we were like in his living room just kind of like

okay now what and he just leapt across the room and like attacked my face and i was like get off like i was just like oh yeah and he got really upset and like went into his kitchen was like slamming cabinets and was drinking i found out then he drove me home he drove me home and was so pissed we were like good friends just speeding like through suburbs and he dropped me off and i got one foot out of the car and he started speeding off and like i almost like ran me over he was so mad because you rejected his yes oh which i wouldn't have done had it not been so aggressive. Sprung. Yes.

He literally sprung across the room. And then I didn't kiss another boy for, like, years. That's terrifying. I mean, that would have been very traumatic. I understand why. First kisses are traumatic enough in nature. I know. That's so horrible.

And the thing is, until talking about it right now i didn't realize how traumatic it was and how like it totally makes sense that i was like scared of him and boys after that because it was very similar to the elton situation of like get off and he's like still trying you're like ew no i mean she tells him no like three times it's called suck and blow elton it's a game and he like, I know you wanted it. Oh, God. Yeah, and the fact that he does that in the first place back at the party is just like, she's so clearly

grossed out by it. And prior to that, there's a number of scenes where something happens in class like she gets a good grade or they fix their report cards and kisses her. It's usually on the cheek. But it's a mushy kiss.

It's always like for a while because I didn't remember what their relationship was when I was rewatching the movie and didn't remember that. Well, I thought he was her boyfriend because he just keeps hugging her and kissing her. And then you're like, oh, wait, he's just a creepy dude who raises his hand in the middle class and says the stupidest things and it's not even funny like when the stoner guy does it right yeah i love when the stoner guy gives a speech about my mcmuffins yeah and i'd like to thank the the staff of the mcdonald's without which i might never be late it's okay anyways shout out to him shout out to travis fuck elton and fuck elton man i hated his character i hated his dumb like when he's singing to the cranberries when they're driving before he assaults her he's like down away down away it's just like ew what he's such

a creep and then first of all so the story goes that he she's trying to hook him up with ty and she thinks he's into ty because she took a picture of ty and he put the picture in his locker right and then he goes i put a picture you took in my locker like that's not doesn't make any sense it's a picture of another girl that doesn't doesn't make sense maybe she took a picture of a tree and he put that in his locker but if you you take a picture, like, that was a bad excuse. Yeah, it was. And also, he brings class into that conversation, too, by basically saying, like, why would I be with Ty?

She's poor. Oh, yeah. Do you know who my dad is? Right. And it's like, first of all, we don't know who your dad is. No, we don't. I don't think we ever find out. No.

But. I bet that's a scene that got cut. That was. Yeah, maybe. I want to see. I mean, we don't see a lot of got cut. Yeah, maybe. We don't see a lot of parents in this movie. The closest we get to seeing parents is a guy from Princess Bride and his teacher girlfriend. That's as close as I can get to discussing it. What's his name again?

Oh, that actor's name? Yeah. He existed in a very specific 10-year period. So much. He's great. He's awesome. Yeah, and Miss Geist. I would have loved to see her again she was great with her stockings falling down and and then uh i didn't ever get any of the jokes where like share makes the fake love letter and she's like she does some

shakespeare quote and he's like what is that she goes did you write that did you write that she goes no cliff's nuts. That's a book. And I forgot, like when I started watching it, I'm like, oh yeah, Clueless is based on something. It's based on Emma. Emma. By Jane Austen, who's the girl who hooks everyone up, which makes sense for Cher. But there's also a ton of Shakespeare references. And I was like reading about it.

And I guess it's because there's parts of the movie that are also taken from Titus Andronicus but I don't know what happens in that play. Oh. Me either. Fun fact. I didn't get that Christian was gay like as a kid and ever. I don't think I just all of a sudden they were friends because to me he says he's gay. He is like he says it in a kind of there's a lot of

noise going over it so you can't hear and if you don't know what dorothy lover ticket holding whatever i wouldn't i'd never know references even i know five or six years ago i wouldn't have gotten no idea and then when he's watching he wants to watch all those tony curtis movies like that's a reference no one would get i'm like oh he just likes boring movies right like he wants to watch spartacus cool whatever i kind of wish that christian had like come out to her like i mean this is coming from a straight person who doesn't know anything about the experience of coming out but i i think that would have been a nice thing to see in right because we have to assume it happens because it seems like by the next time that character shows up after chair fails to have sex with him there's like an

understanding between them and it's not going to be an issue again but yeah i would have liked to see that and i don't know like we're registered for me i remember when i heard murray saying that stuff as a kid like barbara streisand judy garland and all that stuff i'm like this sounds like me i love these people you know though i'm surprised that um there wasn't more of a homophobia in in his description of him i mean there were like funny you know without saying gay he made a bunch of like uh he did resort to like pretty stereotypical yes but not harsh necessarily harsh hateful yeah and i don't and we never saw him get any like they seemed accepting of him and like you know and then when he saves ty when they're at the mall he like steps up as like a

fucking macho man in that scene which i really like yeah it's so good yeah and there's no yeah like murray's description definitely isn't perfect but for 95 i really like yeah it's so good yeah and there's no yeah like murray's description definitely isn't perfect but for 95 i feel like just the fact that his implication isn't like yes there was no disgust yeah which which is what you would kind of expect out of a like a straight male high school boy yes like that um i did also appreciate that even though the actress who plays this character turned out to be horrible but that they're one of the main characters was a woman of color that was nice yeah that was great that's a good point speaking of christian one of the

scenes i wanted to talk about was she before she knows that he is gay and they're going on on when she thinks it's a date she comes down and she's dressed in this little white dress. And then Josh is like, you're going to let her go out in that? Talking to her dad, because apparently she's dressed too scantily. Right. And it was just upsetting to see Josh be like, oh, she's, like, the implication is, oh, she looks like a slut. Yes. She's not, so her dad's like

cover that up i don't know i guess that that didn't register with me because i for sure heard that from my dad at least once well your dad is a sexist pig i mean but all like not to give into the patriarchy but like sometimes like you see my ass you know and it's like i wouldn't want my child to leave the home with their ass visible yeah i i get what you're saying and i also give what i think what you both are saying and i i agree with the um like because sometimes i feel like women dress in a certain way that is uncomfortable for them out on the town and their ass will be hanging out and it's like you don't need to do that to you know to to impress this person but i also feel like wear whatever you want it never it never struck me

until you said that though and until you brought it up that it was a little bit like stop dressing like a slut because there are a lot of indications of there's a lot of that talk in the movie i think that like um do they talk about Amber dressing like a slut? They mention, she's like, oh, I have a note from my plastic surgeon that no balls should be thrown in my face or something. And then she's like, there goes your social life. Yeah. It's weird because a lot of it, the thing that I would find weird about this scene is that Josh is the one who says, are you going to let her go out like that? Basically, her peer out like that like basically

her peer is saying that which felt weird well we can assume that because he likes her they don't really they might not know they like each other yet but they do he's just like oh i don't want her to be sexual with anyone else i want her to be sexual with me so like right cover up your sexiness so that i can have it later i think is a very cool approach yeah but also he should just be okay with whatever she wants to wear also what she was wearing in that scene is wasn't any cute it was a great outfit yeah and it was i mean it was the same thing that she's been wearing all along like the same length of skirts yeah i mean you know another way that that kind of same i keep getting these scenes mixed up is father of the bride do you

remember are you familiar with that movie at all well her her dad is she comes back home from college and she's engaged to this guy and her dad's like they're leaving to go out after dinner her uh fiance and uh her dad's, it's a little cold out there. You want to put something on? Like, she's not, like, exposed, but he's like, she's like, no, dad, I'll be fine. And then her boyfriend goes, it is a little cold. She goes, oh, yeah, I'll get my jacket. Like, she just instantly does it for him.

And that was, like, another kind of way without making it about her being, showing too much skin. Which reminds me of one of my favorite lines in the movie when she's like explaining how you can get a boy to like you she's like show a little skin and that'll make a boy picture you naked which reminds them of sex yeah that is really fun and you know what that is totally a line that i took as actual advice as a kid Not like a very obvious joke. Exactly. So there's the dangerous territory in that.

That was stuff that in high school, I remember my first high school boyfriend, who I feel like I cite constantly on this podcast. I learned so much. But there was one time where we both saved up money from our

part-time jobs to go to a seafood restaurant together because we had both heard that oysters were an aphrodisiac. And we saved up for weeks. And we literally went to the Cheesecake Factory, but they have oysters there. That's so cute. And then we're just like, oh, maybe we're going to kiss with tongue tonight because we had all this fish. Oh, my God. But stuff like that, like I don't know where I would have gotten that from if not from a movie or

a book or something like that. Um, and that's like a more innocent incarnation of taking stuff like that and trying to like desperately trying to apply it to your real life. But it does stick with you. It's weird. And like how parents after they have sex, like on sitcoms, they're always really happy the next

morning. So you're like, oh, if mom's ever happy, she got laid last night because that's the only way that a housewife can be prancing around the house with a smile on her face as if she got laid. That was always a thing. I'm like, so I guess sex makes people happy, which I mean

it doesn't not. And you have to smoke a cigarette afterward. Oh, yes. Yeah, you smoke a cig. So much of that. But a thing i'm like so i guess sex makes people happy which i mean it doesn't not and you have to smoke a cigarette afterward oh yeah yeah you smoke a cig so much of that but uh a great line from that also that date scene was when she gets in the car with christian who i think most people would have already figured out is gay and he's listening to billy holiday she's like who is this she's like billy holiday she's like, I love him. Oh, God. It's so good. It's a great comedy. It's packed with funny lines, like joke, joke, joke. I love that about it.

And it's written and directed by a woman. Yes. Amy Heckerling. And here's a fun reference to your least favorite episode ever, Caitlin, is that Amy Heckerling used to date Martin Brest, who directed Gigli. Shut up. The Gigli connection endures. Oh, my God.

All roads lead back to Gigli. What else has Amy Heckerling done? She also, like, helmed the TV spinoff. Mm-hmm. Let's see. She was involved. She directed fast times at ridgemont high oh wow uh she directed national lampoon's european vacation she directed look who's talking um loved it yep and then she later worked on a night at the roxbury loved it directed an episode of the first season of The Office. And directed a little bit of Gossip Girl.

All right. She had a good career. I want her to write something again. Come on. Come back, baby. We'll hire you, Amy. Yeah. We're wealthy.

We can do it. The other thing I wanted to mention is that the flirtatious banter that happens throughout the movie between Cher and Josh is a lot of negging about her appearance which bothered me you're really filling out yeah that's like his first line too and you know I understand like negging is a concept of like flirting especially if it's like he's mean to you because he likes you like it can't you know it's not the best way to flirt uh i've for sure done it it's for sure been done to me like it happens and sometimes it for sure works and sometimes it does um i love being a bully that's how i've gotten every person to kiss me into someone's heart. And then I fix that.

But it's often at the expense of her appearance or her just like, you know, he's making fun of her. You go to the mall a lot. You're just a stupid girl who shops. And I don't know. I mean, that is kind of who her character is. And then she gets really affected by that kind of insult when she starts to like him. And she's like,

I want to see more than that. And I am more than that. And I think that that, I like her rebellion of that concept that she's just like a mall rat, I think is going in the right direction. He was there at the dinner table

and she's like, I have direction. He's like, yeah, to the mall. And she she's just like right yeah and then there's one point where he's criticizing how like her effect on ty uh and he says something like oh yeah there's been a lot more bear midriff or like whatever um and she does give it back to him there's that time when um they get all the takeout for share's dad which which, first of all, I loved that scene. She's such a good person and has a great relationship with her dad. But where he says, like, how many hours a day do you spend grooming?

And she sort of throws it back to him. Right. It's like, oh, we can't all look as perfect as you. So it's like there is a, but I feel like he makes more personal hits towards her that almost always have to do with her appearance. Where like when she insults him, it's almost like, oh yeah, you read a lot of books or like it's like vaguely complimentary. And it could just be, you know, the time. It was the 90s. We were all terrible. But the other thing I wanted to mention was on first glance, she seems like a kind of a ditzy airhead. But she gets good grades.

She gets like a 98% in geometry. In fact, I paused the part where you see her credit card and like there's little comments on it. And under her biology class, it says. You mean report card oh yeah what did i say you got a credit card oh stop putting her in a hole her her report card yeah and under biology it says uh won't dissect anything and then under Geometry, it says, good shapes. Oh, I love that. Yeah, she's not an airhead. You know, her speeches that she gives in her debate class or whatever seem quite vapid, but she's smart.

And, like, takes an active interest. I do love that she negotiates her grades and all that stuff. You're telling me you argued your way from a C minus to a B plus. And then he's like, based on the powers of persuasion, he's like, I couldn't be prouder if they were based on actual grades. The fact that she does take an active interest in her grades and she's never,

I was impressed because like when i was re-watching it i'm like oh does her dad ever try to force her into any sort of stereotypical world but he really doesn't like when he has that discussion with josh and share um and sure is like whatever he's a big geek and he's and but her dad just as badly wants her to find what she wants to do and have like a successful career and you know she helps him with his health health and his lawyer stuff at times and it's like it does seem like he's not for the most part or no more than a normal good dad would be like an oppressive force in her life which is kind of cool right yeah i remember getting so anxious when she's doing all the highlighting for her dad and then she fucks it up and that guy yells at her and

leaves and was like if you guys weren't flirting the whole time and she's just like she feels really stupid that like gave me so much anxiety like as a as someone who's temped a lot and like fucked things up like right and like having that feeling like oh i'm just a girl that like is so confused and like doesn't get it like there's something there yeah that makes me a little feel insecure totally and then um josh defends her i kind of i wish like she had defended herself but you know we can't have everything um he he defends her like arguing against a lot of the things a lot of the ammunition he used when he was flirtatiously negging her

before like oh she's not just a dumb mall rat but yeah and then they go and they have that nice little kiss I love that kiss I just want Paul Rudd to kiss me he's so cute he's still 16 what a cute little 16 I just want Paul Rudd to kiss me. He's so cute. What it boils down to.

He's still 16, so. What a cute little 16-year-old. He's gonna live forever. He's a mommy. He's a mommy. Mommy. Breckenmeyer is still very handsome, too, but he looks his age, which is not an assault on Breckenmeyer. Although, this is a little gossip, but I saw him with a much younger lady when I saw him at Brunchen. It looked like he was taking his niece out.

Brecken, that's effed. I know. Maybe she's an old soul. That's what they all say. Who's that superhero actor right now that's dating a 19-year-old? I was really enjoying some recent coverage of that on like Perez Hilton and just Jared. Oh, really? Yeah.

There's like a major. Oh, I think it might be Henry Cavill, Superman, who's dating a teenager. He's like doing his best to explain it away. And like my favorite Henry Cavill excuse for dating a teenager was he was like well when i was 17 i dated a 35 year old and it's like oh and henry cavill that's probably why you're like this now like break the cycle superman he won't do it yeah yeah i'll tell you oh he split from his 19 year old girlfriend in may of 2016 good for her does Does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie before we rate it?

Ooh, we rate it? We rate it. I think we talked about every... Every scene. Every single scene. Great soundtrack. Oh, killers. I was listening to it on the way over,

just getting myself amped up. I'm gonna be a supermodel. What a great song. That and then later on the way over, just like getting myself amped up. I'm gonna be a supermodel. Oh, what a great song. Yeah. That and then later on the Lizzie McGuire movie soundtrack really just guided me. Was it good? It's real good. It's more early 2000s.

Okay. But it's like clueless for 2003 style soundtrack. I was just recalling Even Stevens. Did you watch that? Christy Carlson Romano I know What happened to her? She's like a scientist now

Probably She was A woman in STEM Women in STEM She was definitely A woman in STEM By the way Christian calls

Cher's legs stems And I was like Good a stem mention We got it in We got it in No steampunk in this movie I was happy Because usually Someone's The steampunk culture this movie i was happy um because usually the someone's the steampunk culture

permeates all my favorite films and i'm triggered and i have to go on a walk wild wild west is one of your favorite films i do know all the words to the theme song me too i do too i remember i specifically remember bragging about that at lunch once in my sophomore year. Like, do you want me to recite all the lyrics? Jim West. Desperado. No, you don't want none of this. None of this.

Buffalo soldiers. Look, it's like I told you. I'm triggered. Any damn soul that's in distress, be out of that dress when they meet jim west oh that's good i gotta listen that song again it's so terrible oh god it's bad it's like tattooed onto my brain maybe i'm self-hating about that song about how like that i i used to do a joke about how whenever you break up never have a whenever you pick a song with someone like your song just pick a terrible song so that when you hear it, you'll never...

You won't. Yeah, you don't hear it. And so just always pick Will Smith's Wild Wild West because no one feels... I was like, Jada Pickett-Smith could break up with Will Smith and hear that song and feel nothing. It's so bad. I like that Cisco's involved, though. He goes, Cisco, Cisco. Oh, yeah.

We're going straight to the Wild, Wild West. And that's where he went and disappeared, because I haven't heard of Cisco since. Dude, Cisco, I don't know. Maybe this gets back to my 9-11 anecdote. I don't know if I've ever talked about it on the cast before, but I saw the Backstreet Boys perform live in Boston the night before 9-11, September 10, 2001. I was at the show and Cisco opened. Whoa. And my mom made me miss the first 20 minutes of the Backstreet Boys because she had a crush on Cisco

and she's like, we've got to get in line to meet Cisco. I remember being so mad. I was like, I don't want to meet Cisco. I want to look at Nick Carter. And my mom was like, we've got to meet Cisco. Oh, my God. Your mom was definitely wearing a thong. She was horny for Cisco.

That's so cute. Probably wearing like three or four thongs. Got to get that coverage. Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. That's really cute. It's wild.

Oh, geez. It was a simpler time. Oh, God. It truly was. That literally was the last moment. Pre-9-11. The weaning hours of the simpler time. Oh, God. It truly was. That literally was the last moment. Pre-9-11. The weaning hours of the simpler time. I remember exactly what I was doing that night, too, the night before.

I was doing a French essay about terrorism, oddly enough. Whoa. I had to look up terrorisme or whatever it was. I don't remember what I was doing. Caitlin, you're not a patriot. Sorry. So shout out to Cisco wherever you are if you're alive. He's such a fan of podcasts.

We'd love to hear from you. Hopefully you're into very specific podcasts. Yeah, we should get him on as a guest. He seems like a feminist. Yeah, totally. Cisco, are you an ally? He wants women to wear whatever they want. Dumbs like a drug.

A drug. A drug. That's like what? Boo the butt. Dumps like a truck is a disgusting Oh my god. It's so awful. And that's what he leads with. Is that butt?

Is that butt cheeks? I imagine. I'm just picturing her pooping. That's what i always thought i got a truckload of shit because her ass that's so gross i've never even put those together i thought like it was a part of the body why would you reference poop we're speculating that might not be what he meant but that is definitely what i took away from it that's like the bridge yeah it is he's like now let me lead up to this incredible like you move that

thing that and then later hot in here where i was like i should that's nelly right yeah i was like i should date a guy who is perpetually wearing a band-aid on his face oh i love nelly so much i still do i'm from st louis evolution too we were that was my senior song. He got sensitive later on. He did. Over and over again. Yeah, that's the one. I was like, what's the sensitive Nelly song? It's all in my head with Tim McGraw. It's like, man, maybe the

girl from Hot in Here really broke his heart. Yeah, who knows? The guy I took to prom was like, does fish tanks in St. Louis, and he did Nellie's fish tanks. Yeah, I got a connection, you guys. Wow. When there's a crack in the fish tank, what do they put on it?

A band-aid. Love it. We really strayed. We really, yeah. We sang almost all of Black Mamba. Let's rate the movie. Yeah. We sang almost all of Blackwell West. Uh-huh. Let's rate the movie. Okay. We rate each movie based on its portrayal of the women characters on a scale of zero

to five nipples. Ooh. And then we, if you want, describe those nipples. Okay. So for me, I would say because it does have like a nice portrayal of female friendships and the main character is a very nurturing and supportive and nice person, which you might not expect from a movie like this or a movie that takes place in this setting. There's some things about it that like were dated and and could have been portrayed better um also the use of the r-e-t-a-r-d word happens oh boy i've got to send you an episode of space ghost coast to coast i watched yesterday that really uses that word with insane liberalism but i think it was when space

ghost was about to be canceled i think so they're, let's do it. I don't endorse it, but... Other than that, though, I think it does a pretty good job portraying rich Beverly Hills high school women. They need to be lifted up. Yeah, they really do.

I would give it... I don't know. This is a hard one for me. I'm going to be generous to this one. I'm going to give it like a three and this is a hard one for me i'm gonna be generous to this i am me too i really like it yeah i'm gonna give it like a three and a half i think three and a half nipples they belong to paul rudd two of them are paul rudd's ageless mummy yeah exactly then one and a half of them are vampire paul ruddipples, which are like cold, but still nice.

Yeah. I'm going to give it four. And I'm going to give those four nips to Cher's mom passed away and the nips that she was having transplanted onto her body. Oh, that's what she was doing. At the time of her death.

That's some risky surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it might kill you, but the results are undeniable yeah um i'm definitely gonna give it four just because of the personal meaning it had to me as like a woman in a in comedy and how funny that movie was and how influential it was on my sense of humor and that a woman wrote it and that share was a popular girl who was actually nice and it didn't because of the female friendships and stuff. So yeah, and all the

nipples are everyone's great nipples all around all around. I just want to share them with the Francisco. Okay, I dedicate my nipples to Cisco. I really hope he is like become a cult leader or something like he knows he's doing something good. Feel free to talk about anything while I figure out what Cisco's currently up to.

Well, Nikki, where can people find you online? Oh, Nikki Glazer on Instagram and Twitter. And what did you find? In 2016, Cisco provided his talent on an unusual duet with country music singer Marie Osmond. Weird. Marie Osmond. Weird! Marie Osmond is his Tim McGraw. Wow. What a career he's had. He lives in Minnesota and

he has appeared on Wife Swap. Okay, okay. He's doing fine. Jamie, anything you want to plug? Sure. You can watch the cartoons that I always plug every week. Boston PD's Zamboni Crimes Division. And then there's a new one starting about popular Siamese twins who live underground. And that will be starting in a couple weeks.

And I think probably by the time this episode comes out. So check it out on Cafe. Awesome. That's exciting. You can follow me on Twitter at Caitlin Durante. Follow us on Bechtelcast as well. You can email us and then rate and review and subscribe. Nikki, thank you so much.

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