The Bechdel Cast - Groundhog Day with Jackie Kashian

Episode Date: February 2, 2017

Comedian Jackie Kashian joins Jamie and Caitlin to discuss Groundhog Day. Comedian Jackie Kashian joins Jamie and Caitlin to discuss Groundhog Day. Comedian Jackie Kashian joins Jamie and Caitlin to discuss Groundhog Day. Comedian Jackie Kashian joins Jamie and Caitlin to discuss Groundhog Day. (This episode contains spoilers)Follow @jackiekashian on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Are we talking about the movie Groundhog Day? We are. Could you? Oh, hello and welcome to the Bechdelcast. My name is Caitlin Durante. Your host, Jamie Loftus, is on her way. That joke is on the table. You couldn't just leave it there. You got to do over you gotta do it yep what do you what do you made a stone nobody yeah so we are here uh the what this podcast is about uh is we talk about the portrayal of female characters in movies for or against i'm against women being in movies i Right. Dress men up in dresses like Shakespeare did. Why do we bother?

Why do we even bother? Women should be in the kitchen chained to a wall. Chained to a wall. With just a leash that can get her to the stove, get her to the fridge, and that is it. We shouldn't be allowed to learn to read. And not all the way to the fridge because then they'll get fat.

I was talking to somebody last night. One of my first ever jokes, oh, it's lame, was that men belong in the kitchen barefoot and erect with a Frisbee on his head so I can put my beer on his head. That's very progressive of you. Wasn't it? Yeah. The image doesn't even entirely work because you have to then go, oh, he's kneeling. But some people don't go.

It's such a dumb joke. But it was 100 years ago. So it has that advantage that I've written new jokes since then. My early jokes are also not very good. Whose are? We did a round robin of our early jokes. And boy, was there some crap being discussed. It was, yeah.

Well. But I'm happy to be here, and I love Groundhog Day. Yeah. Genuinely. So, yeah. Tell us about when you first saw this movie. Well, it came out in what, 91? That sounds right.

Oh, 93. 93. Yeah. I saw it. Okay. That sounds right. Oh, 93. 93. Yeah, I saw it. Okay, so I saw it in the theater in 93. And it was a delight. Yes, because it is. Who's in it? Who's Bill Murray? Yep. It's her name is God, I've already forgotten. Chris Elliott. Just the men. Welcome to the Bechdel past. We can only remember the men's names. It's a classic problem.

Her character's name is Rita. I don't know why. Oh, Andy McDowell. That's it. It's Andy McDowell. That's right. But I couldn't remember either, so I mocked both of us. We both failed the Bechdel test.

We both failed the Bechdel test. We both failed the Bechdel test. But yeah, it was Bill Murray and Annie McDowell, and it was – and Dan Aykroyd? No. Nope. No, Dan Aykroyd was in something else that year. He was still working in front of the camera, which was an error. But the – yeah, and Chris Elliott, who – he was one of my favorite characters, that Chris Elliott. Did he just refer to himself in the third – did he just call himself the talent?

The talent. Oh, yeah. He has some great lines. He really does. But I saw it in the theater, and I think I saw it more than once in the theater, just because it made me laugh to see it again. Because it's such – Oh, it's so thematic. Because that's the joke. Yeah.

Yes. I saw it not in the theater. I would have been probably seven years old. But I didn't – I saw it not long after that. So you saw it early years? Yeah. I saw it mid-90s. Yeah.

On VHS. My grandma had it and then my mom bought it eventually and we had it. The reason for that is that I actually grew up very close to Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. Oh, okay. And my mom is from there. So that's why my grandma had it, who is like a very ultra conservative militant Christian woman who I think this movie is probably – She sounds like a fun person to hang out with. Oh, yep.

I haven't spoken to her in about a decade. Yeah, probably for the best. But yeah, this movie, I'm sure, is a bit lost on her, especially because they make fun of, like, small-town culture in it a lot.

And she was just like, oh, this movie takes place where I live right now. Oh, how cool. Well, and luckily, though, it was you have that movie. I grew up, the only movies

that take place in wisconsin there's like freaking bird on a wire which is a i think a goldie hawn and uh the guy who hates juice a lethal enforcer lethal weapon oh mel gibson mel gibson there we go and um the uh so mel it was and goldie hawn screams through the entire movie and And at one point on Bird on a Wire, they have a chase scene through the Chinatown of Racine, Wisconsin. Let me tell you that that does not exist. There is like one place that has a buffet and that buffet has pudding. Oh, yeah. So that is not –

I've never seen that movie. Oh, really, Bird? You do not need to. That is not – I'll skip it. And I like Mel Gibson's movies and Jews together and apart. And so – but yeah, Bird on a Wire is not a movie that anyone needs to see. All right.

I shall. I shall not. You know what movie you guys should do though? What's that? Pardon me while I totally weed off is Private Benjamin. I've also never seen that movie. Saving Private Benjamin. That is actually not the name of the movie.

Private Benjamin. I wonder about the bechdel test with private benjamin i only the only thing i know about it is what i remember from like the cut like the vhs cover of it because it was always i don't it was like prominently displayed in the video store where i grew up and I just remember like a woman with blonde long blondish hair Goldie Hawn is that oh yeah it's Goldie Hawn I didn't even know I didn't even like I didn't recognize her at the time so I didn't like even make the connection and I think she might be wearing like fatigues and a helmet or something like that yeah she's wearing because she uh she's a socialite, much like Overboard. She is a fancy socialite lady, but who joins the army. And I was going to college when Private Benjamin came out, and my friends and I used to constantly quote the, I want to go shopping, I want to go out to lunch, I want to be normal again, all through basic. It was essentially Private Benjamin, I think, out it was like the the um riding on

the back end coattails of stripes got it so you brought another movie i've never seen oh really yeah stripes may or may not parts of it hold up parts of it do not harold ramis i love you dearly yeah he directed and co-wrote this movie the Groundhog Day. Yes, he did. And he did vital work because this movie is great. Yes. One of my favorite movies. And it holds up. Yeah, it really does.

Although, we'll talk about this later on, but there's, I have some problems with the ending that I didn't have before only on this like recent revisit. Only the third time

you saw it this week? Right. Okay. I've seen it every day, every day of my life over and over. I live the same life over and over i live the same day over and over again um there's other days that you could be reliving over and over again great days great days where you're on a beach somewhere in tahiti yeah yeah yeah i well i'd

have to do that first and then right and then relive that yeah i still haven't done that uh so yeah uh you said you watch this movie every year, once a year. Right, at the end of Christmas. It's the last of my Christmas movies. I always, I watch, it goes from Holiday Inn to Groundhog Day. Holiday Inn is every holiday, and now it goes Holiday Inn Deadpool,

which is every holiday, all the way to Groundhog Day. Great. This year was weird because I was traveling so much. I didn't get to watch most of the Christmas movies I got to watch

because I'd get home and I would just sleep forever. But, and so I haven't actually seen Groundhog Day this year. So the last time I saw it was one year ago. Oh, wow. But Groundhog Day is coming up.

It is. That's why we're releasing this episode. Wow, we're such genius marketing people. You guys know how to do it. Wow, we're such genius marketing people. You guys know how to do it. Oh, yeah. You don't have a Valentine's Day coming up here? A movie? Well, I think we're going to do Titanic for Valentine's Day.

Oh, my God. That would involve you watching Titanic. Oh, I love Titanic. We mentioned it maybe once an episode on this podcast. Well, it's covered now. It's covered now. Really, Titanic. Yeah. You know, I've always had a friend of mine.

He has a great, and he makes video games. So if anyone makes this movie, please give all the money to Brian Upton as creator. But this is the greatest TV show idea that I've ever heard. Based on Titanic. It would be set on the Titanic. It would be one hour long. And every episode, the Titanic sinks. And every episode, you follow a different person or family.

Oh, that's great. Right. And then, much like Groundhog Day, you would see them in the background. Sure. And what you could do is every scene, every episode could at least have one scene with the band. Right? Because the band made it. They tie everything all together.

They tie everything all together and you're like, hey, that guy died in the last episode. Hey, that woman lived in the last episode or whatever, right? Yeah. So it would be at least, how many people were on the Titanic? A thousand? I think closer to 3 thousand that is three thousand episodes you guys are 300 episodes right if we're talking couples and families i would

definitely watch oh i think you would i think you would but wouldn't it be great like because you would follow somebody and you're like oh did they do they live and you'll find out at the end at the end of every episode you'd find out whether the people you followed, whether they were dirtbags or they were, you know, hardworking in steerage, whatever they were doing. Oh, that's a great idea. I will give them all my money, which is zero. And Groundhog Day adjacent as a topic. Hey, welcome to the Bechtelcast. This caitlin dorante i'm doing the joke again we're just reliving what's the song do you remember what the song was yes uh sunny and share right yeah oh that's right there ain't no hill or mountain we can climb it's important that

i made you sing i resent you for it a lot I have the worst singing voice in the world. And also the worst voice, period. I don't know why anyone listens to this. I hate the sound of my voice. Welcome to the podcast where Caitlin does not enjoy her own voice. No, I... But feels the need to speak out loud repeatedly every week. I've gone back and listened to different episodes.

And I'm just like, holy crap, I'm the slowest talker in the world. I use so many vocal fillers. I think I say... Okay, holy crap, I'm the slowest talker in the world. I use so many vocal fillers. I think I say, okay, so yeah. So yeah, that whole bit. Oh, I have been mocked openly for here's the thing. So I got off stage in Australia one time. Yeah, I've been to Australia. Asshole, Jackie. Anyway, so, but I got off stage and one of the women, producer women says, 26 times. You said, here's the thing 26 times in a 25 minute set. And I was like, wow, that's one more than minutes.

And I said, that's a lot of new material. And I say, here's the thing when I'm nervous more than, if it's a new joke, I'll swear or say, here's the thing more. And then, because I'm trying to desperately get to the punchline. And so it is filler, though. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I'm trying to make better habits.

I also do this clicking thing with my mouth a lot. I'm trying to get rid of that. Oh, God. So bear with me, audience of the Bechdel cast. We're all growing together. We're growing. It's beautiful. So can we talk about the movie without her? I guess.

Yeah. I mean, she'll show up and then I'll do the intro again. And maybe we'll talk about it again. Yeah. And that'll be funny for all of us. Whoa. Come on. I, yeah, I grew up in the area.

So this movie was a huge part of my life. From an early age. Yeah. And I have seen it probably 25 times and I love it a lot. We usually start off the discussion by me, to everyone's dismay, giving a recap of the story. Oh, please do. Let me get my soda. for caitlin's famous recaps um we meet bill murray he's a weatherman uh he has to go to punxsutawney every year for groundhog day to cover the uh story for uh for that it's starting off so well so far and then uh his producer this woman named rita goes with them as well as like a cameraman larry and they're all there and he really this town. He hates Punxsutawney. He hates this Groundhog Day tradition.

And he gets there and he does it and everything's fine, except they can't leave because there's a blizzard. So they're stuck there. And then the next morning he wakes up and it's the same day over again. It's Groundhog Day again. And only he is reliving this day and he relives it over and over and over again. And it's really just a story about his sort of personal growth and character arc. About how he starts out being this very mean, total dick, cynical, selfish guy.

And he has to learn, over the course of the story, he falls in love with Rita. And he has to learn to be able to both get her and then also kind of move on with his life. And not have to live Groundhog day over and over again he has to uh like uh grow and become live in the moment live in the moment and he has one day to if you had one day to live what would it be how would you would you go rob would you would you sleep with as many people in that town as you could every again somebody interviewed harold ramis one time and asked him how many days they thought it took the Bill Murray character to grow. And Harold Ramis said it was over a thousand days. Yeah.

A thousand times or something like that. That checks out. I've heard different numbers. I've heard someone's like 10,000 years. I'm like, no way. But it's at least long enough for him to master the piano, which takes a while. And ice sculpting. Ice sculpture.

Have you seen it? Aristotle. Has not seen Groundhog Day. Go outside. Guess what? February 6th. Why don't you explain for our international listeners what Groundhog Day is? Oh, yeah.

There are so many international listeners. Now's the time. Actually, shout out to my good friend, British Martha, who is in the UK. See you, have at least one. I have at least one. So, hey, Martha. Yes, explain Groundhog Day to the people. Groundhog Day is a holiday that takes place in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania every year where a literal groundhog, which is a giant rat rodent squirrel thing,

is pulled out of the ground and he's weathered. Like if he sees his shadow, that means there's going to be six more weeks of winter. If he does not see his shadow. It's based on this weird old wives tale or old, like, I don't know if it's international, if it's worldwide, wherever there are groundhogs. But supposedly it is a future teller of how much more winters there's going to be because of some weird ground squirrel, as Bill Murray would say. A clairvoyant rodent knows whether or not there's an early spring happening. So it's a very dumb holiday.

Like I said, I grew up about 20 miles away from Punxsutawney in a town called Brookville, Pennsylvania. Go Rockets. What was the name of your high school team? It's much more racist than that. We were the Raiders. And our mascot was like an Indian chief, a Native American chief. You would have thought they would have been...

I mean, Raiders could be anybody, right? It could be, yes. Like they could be pirates or they could be, but they went with the Native American motif of Raider. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting life choice on their part. Interesting and racist. Could have been Zorro.

Yeah. I troll them a lot on my high school's Twitter account and they never respond. Are you muted, do you think? Maybe. Because you're not blocked. I don't even think they understand what they're doing is racist. And it's maybe that. That's what it is.

Pick a different, like, what's the Oakland Raider logo? Isn't that more of a, like a piratey kind of thing? Oh, I think so. Aristotle, nodding, not really knowing either. Their version of Raider is more like the Redskins, where it's like, oh, look at these raiders and raping and pillager Indians. So, yeah, it's very racist. And I don't like that town. And I never go back.

My sister says that about our town. She's like, I can't believe you have any nostalgia about this town. Can't you see what this town needs? And I said, what? She said, a propellant, a match. It was like some sort of Chicago fire is what she wants it to happen. And she says, can't you see what this town needs? It's like some sort of propellant and a match. Well, I pulled out the election results for

Jefferson County, Pennsylvania, which is where both Brookville and Punxsutawney are located. How'd they do? How'd they do? How'd they do? Poorly? 15,000 people slash 77% voted for Trump. Okay. 15,000 out of the like 60,000 who live there? Yeah.

I mean, it's very small. Nice. Nice work. Everybody in Pennsylvania was not voting. So like 3,600 people voted for Clinton. Then that was only 18%. And 77% voted for Trump? Yeah. Excellent.

Excellent. Those are the same people who are always complaining whenever there's like a riot in a poor neighborhood. They're like, they're breaking their own stuff. And I'm like, you're breaking America. Yeah. Because you've got a temper tantrum because you're not being handed 20s under the table um grow up right so what were we talking about groundhog day there you go let's move forward so that town is it does it look like

the town in the movie it actually does a nice job they do a nice job? They don't shoot on location. I think they shot in different small towns in Illinois, I want to say. Okay. I think they got a few establishing shots actually in Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania. As well out. But it's mostly not shot there. But it does resemble it quite a bit. My dentist was in Punxie.

That's what we call it. Punxie? Punxie. Nice. That's what the cool kids call Punxsutawney. So I went there a couple times a year to go to the dentist. I'll be calling it Punxie from now on. Yeah, Punxie. That's what we call it. Punxie. Punxie. Nice. That's what the cool kids call Punxie Tony. So I went there a couple times a year to go with Dennis. I'll be calling it Punxie from now on. Yeah, Punxie. Yeah. That's what the locals call it.

So then we jump into a discussion about who the characters are. We've got Rita is the main female character played by Andy McDowell, whose name we now know. Now we know it. Now we know. And I can forget it later, sadly. So she is pretty much the only primary female character. And then we have a few like secondary ones, which are Mrs. Lancaster. She runs the bed and breakfast.

Oh, right. Yeah. We have her, we have Nancy, who is the woman that Phil Connors, a.k.a. Bill Murray, kind of seduces in a very manipulative way by being like, hey, who's They make out a little bit, but then... Actually, I don't know if they have sex or not. No, no, they have sex because she makes squirrel noises when she has an orgasm. Which means that he does care about the enjoyment of his partner in the sack. I suppose so. That is important. That's the only redeeming quality of Bill Murray at this point in that character.

There's his piano teacher who gets not very much screen time. And then like the waitress at the diner that they, I think her name is Doris. The tall lady, Doris, who wants to go to Paris. Yes, exactly. Okay. And then we have Phil Connors,

aka Bill Murray, is our leading man. And then the other sort of secondary male characters are Larry, aka Chris Elliott, the camera guy, Ned Ryerson, Ned Ryerson, Ned the nose, needle nose Ned, Ned the head, also

Buster Green and his other Groundhog Day cronies, all those guys who wear the tuxes and pull the groundhog out of the ground and stuff. Oh, right. I like those two drunks from the bowling alley. Oh, one of them is played by Rick Overton, who I had the pleasure of doing a show with recently.

Wait, is that Rick Overton? Yeah, the guy who plays Ralph, who wants the flapjacks? Yeah. Yeah, that's Rick Overton. Well, it didn't... Nope, nope. Whenever I see Rick Overton, all I can think of is Willow. Oh, I didn't see that either. You never saw Willow? Never saw, all I can think of is Willow. Oh, I didn't see that either.

You never saw Willow? Use the wand, Willow! Willow, use the wand! Anyway, it's essentially Lord of the Rings done correctly in an hour and a half. Sounds... Because it's just... it's Ron Howard. Ron Howard directed it. And it's craptastic sword and sorcery uh it's it's the it's a it's a sort of a princess bride but hey listen to that episode of the bechdel cast everyone with princess bride yeah we did oh you did what yeah mike kaplan was our guest you might like willow because i'll tell you something it does pass the bechdel test willow does uh that's

interesting or does it no No, maybe not. Most movies don't. And if they do it, they do it very half-assedly. All of a sudden they're talking about lunch or something. Fair enough. I have been recommended Willow though. I think I would like it.

I own Willow. When Lord of the Rings came out, I was unpopular opinion was that Lord of the Rings came out, I was, unpopular opinion was that Lord of the Rings was a very, very long version of Willow because people hate Willow and they're wrong, by the way. Willow is a delight and the Lord of the Rings is beautiful, but way too long. It's nine hours long. It's nine hours long and doesn't stay true to the book. So you have to pretend you haven't

read the book to enjoy lord of the rings i do enjoy lord of the rings but i also have not uh read the book right as an action movie it is excellent a little long but excellent yeah and as a person who's read the book uh it's a different movie it's a different movie than the book and you're like i see what you're doing here same with the hobbit so oh the hobbit i can't get behind at all oh i i actually the the the movie trilogy that they adapted from a chapter book for kids right something that was eight chapters uh they turned into three movies and then the last one was a little brutal anyway yeah i didn't care for any of them really but um and because it's tolkien doesn't even have a shot at the Bechdel test. Oh, of course not.

Yeah, there you go. We have, so those are our characters. So I guess we focus on Rita, who, I like Rita. I don't necessarily like Andy McDowell that much. And I think I'm basing this on the fact that I hated Four Weddings and a Funeral so much. That was not my movie of choice

either. Was that Hugh Grant? Yeah, I think. I don't remember. But I like her, and I like her character in this movie because she's pretty much the only character who's not depicted as being a total fuddy-duddy, apart from Bill Murray. Watch your language.

What do you mean by fuddy-duddy? Just like a baffling, bumbling buffoon. Ooh, alliteration, baby. Oh, like an idiot. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, because almost everyone else is. Wait, is that not what a fuddy-duddy is? What's a fuddy-duddy? Did I use it wrong? is that not what a fuddy-duddy is

what's a fuddy-duddy did i use it wrong uh yeah i think a fuddy-duddy is more stuffy oh as more pompous and kind of self-righteous and fuddy-duddy then i don't know what words are but you very easily could be right and i could be wrong but i will say this is that she is not an idiot yeah i will say that she the every other character is kind of dumb. Even the gay waiter. He's the only... He literally seems like... The guy who has one line.

He has one line. He seems to be the smartest second person in that movie. He did go to Penn State. Hey, baby, I went to Penn State, too. Right. So now that I think about it, he is genuinely the second smartest person in that cast. That's hilarious.

But yeah, she's like a skeptic. She's smart. She doesn't like take anyone's shit. She doesn't take anyone's shit, but she has compassion. And she's like, no, I'm not going to be mean for the sake of being mean, but you also cannot be mean to me. Yeah. So she's like a person. Right. Everybody else is a little bit of a caricature yeah totally and he's a disaster the the phil phil connor's phil connor's character that guy is a um he deserves 10 000 days of

he that's how much time he needs to like not be an asshole yeah she kind of nails it on the first day and she and he's just like well i don't know how to be a person in the world um so yeah i didn't necessarily like pay that much attention to her character before these like uh this rewatch but um she's uh she's good at her job too i mean she's competent producer uh she in She's just a strong, smart... You could kind of... Like, who wrote it? It wasn't Harold Ramis who wrote it, was it? Danny Rubin.

Okay. It's like story, and then he has a written by credit. Okay, yeah. Because whoever... Like, whenever you watch a movie that's written, and the main woman character is sort of sane, and not shrill, or... Just, I mean, she was like, she just seemed super competent and yet still attractive and still, you know, all. And then, and Bill Murray making cracks about how, well, you want to be with me, you know, you just, I mean, that's what women have to deal with in the workplace. We're just like, oh, the hilarity.

The hilarity of we're trying to get some work done over here. Why do you have to mention the fact that we're never going to have sex? Yeah. So that's what kind of bugged me about this movie on this rewatch, specifically the end. Because if you think about it, they spend, as far as she knows, until the very last scene, they spend two days together. It's a bunch of different days for him on Groundhog Day, February 2nd. He gets to know her. But she still, every single day that they see each other, as far as she's concerned, yeah, it's pretty.

Because they spend a day, there's day one where they leave Pittsburgh and drive to Punxsutawney. There's day two where they wake up and do the weather broadcast thing. And then, so it's that second day where they spend most of the time. But by the end, he's like, I love you. I'm happy. This is the happiest I've ever been. And she's like, I think I'm happy too. And she's like, totally, like, you met him yesterday.

Still. Yeah, he has spent all this time falling in love with you and getting to know you, but still, you didn't know this guy from Adam yesterday. It's a clear sign that every, and this isn't just women, but I think it is a clear sign that people are just drawn to the fact that like, oh my God, this person loves everything about me. I love me and look how interested they are in me. And so it doesn't actually bode well for her personality either or her character. Not especially. But well, they show it. He tries that earlier.

She's in his bed and breakfast room. He's like, I've got ice cream on the windowsill. I love you. And she's like, you love me. You don't even know me. And then she slaps him in the face and leaves it happens again later in the movie this time it works because he's like i love you and she's like yeah okay let's okay i'll stay let's live here yeah and

let's live in punksy that's the like one of the last lines in the movie which is the knife in your heart uh oh hey guess who's here it's jamie loftus hello good to see you oh guys how's it going hello yeah we've been talking about groundhog day oh hello and welcome to the bechdel cast this is like we've actually just been shooting the shit for her oh we have done some of that we we pretty much just got into talking about Rita. Oh, Rita. Okay, cool. I love Rita. Rita's pretty good, right?

Yeah. I was having a lot of Groundhog Day style thoughts on the way over here. Just like, what could I have done differently? If you had a thousand days to learn to play the piano and ice sculpt and French poetry. I love the choices he makes. He's like, you know know what these are the things that i've been wanting to do this whole time but they weren't the things he wanted to do they were the things rita wanted for him or like wanted out of a man and then he just sort of molded himself into

that that's true talk about a dream i was a dream come true ladies i was like see i'm not opposed to that just having a man change everything about himself to obey your every whim. Take all the time you need. Text me when you're great at all my interests. We were just talking about how interested he was in her and how much we love that when someone is interested in us. My gosh, I love it. See, I have the more like Groucho Marx approach to romance where I'm like, oh, you like me? You want to be my boyfriend?

I would never want to be a boyfriend with someone who would want me as a girlfriend. Oh, and then you stomp away. That'll show them. Yeah. Wait a minute. That doesn't show anybody anything. Let Ben be nice to you. Then you're just gone.

Yeah. So wait, what were you thinking about on the way over here oh just different ways that that uh didn't have that couldn't have happened right because you were uh your car is in the shop and you had to take well no i ended up i ended up arguing my way back into getting my car oh back today because there i went to get an oil change and they're like actually everything is wrong with it i was like well in that case i'll just take it back and and then i and then i was waiting and then the mechanic was like do you wanna where are you doing tonight i was like i'm gonna be in my car far away from here um oh well that that seemed that's interesting the mechanic gonna ask you out yeah okay it was a very smooth transition from me being very frustrated

that he still had my car. Just like, maybe just stay forever. Right. Like Punxsutawney. Yeah, you got it. Maybe you were going to move to... Maybe you lease first.

It was a very... Yeah. What you could have said when he was like, hey, what are you doing tonight? You could still steal Bill Murray's line and just be like,

something else. That's what he says to Ned Ryerson. Sows me. Yeah. Something else. I would love to have the confidence to actually flat out say that to someone. Just like, I don't want to be with you. Yeah, I don't want to hang out.

Instead, it's like, let me just be quiet for a couple minutes. If I am silent, you will eventually go away. Exactly. Except the people who don't leave when you're silent those are the scary ones yeah that's terrifying they're like i can wait yeah you got to use your words it's a confrontation is super scary but eventually you just have to go i need a raise and and then they look at you and the first time i ever asked for a raise my boss said you're not good at this at all and i said said, this is the first time I'm doing it.

It doesn't matter if I'm good at it or not. I need a raise. And he was like, wow. And I said, yeah. So how should I have asked? And can I have a raise? Did you get it? I did.

That's amazing. Oh, that's great. I powered through is what I'm telling you at the age of 19. I did that once last year. I won't say the name of the employer, but I think you know who it is. Disney. It was – I used to be the CEO of Disney. Roy Disney.

You asked Roy Disney. He was like, I'm going to need a golden parachute. Yeah. And then I went in and I was like, hey, I think that maybe I should get enough money to pay for the place I live in. And I didn't make any eye contact. I was like, maybe this is going to sound crazy. And then he made eye contact with me. And he was like, Jamie, come on.

And I was like, but here's the thing. I would love to have a home. And he was like, we'll discuss it. And then later on, I got like a Starbucks gift card. It didn't work. Oh, it did not work. It did not work. But the thing is, is you took the first step.

I did. Because the next time you go in, make eye contact as hard as it goes. And goes, I, and if, because when he said, come on, he was essentially saying what my t-shirt boss was saying, which was, you're not good at this at all. And you're like, just go, yeah, I don't have to be good at it. We're doing this. Right. The conversation has begun. Yes. We're not going to talk about it. We're talking about it.

You just need to summon the strength for a follow-up question. Or an ultimatum. I mean, that's the... Ultimatums are the worst. I'm so terrible at ultimatums. Because I don't want to follow through with them. What do you mean, no? I guess I said I would leave this could end so poorly for me i'm gonna need another job before i say i'm gonna leave

we were talking yeah i'm sorry to just uh no i'm so happy to have you here i'm here we were talking about how uh part way into the movie Phil Connors is like Rita I love you and she's like I'm not falling you creep how could you love me you don't even know who I am did you call my friends and ask them what I like

you weirdo I would argue that that's kind of weird too to call someone's friends and be like hey that is weird and that's what she called them too, though. To call someone's friends and be like, hey. That is weird. And that's what she called him on. Right. But then just an hour later, or 10,000 days later.

Yeah. Time's a construct. He's like, I love you. And she's like, aw. And she believes him this time. Because, yes. That's Caitlin's problem. He is a better person now. Well, not even that she, well, I mean, again, she met him the day before.

But she did watch him do, like, crazy ass, like, people coming up, and he's got wrestling tickets for the couple. Yeah, and he played the piano really well. Right. See, I don't know. The rules of this movie and, like, how the world works are pretty vague. So I don't know. In theory, we're getting the same

uh rita every day with the same approach to everything but i could see myself on certain days uh being told that by an almost complete stranger being like gross i hate it and then other on other days be like you know what nice nice like it just depends what mood you catch me i didn't think about that yeah i'm just so cynical. And the pitch. Yeah, delivery. He does change it up drastically. What do you guys think about the injustice of the fact that he learns how to play the piano super well for just $1,000? Yeah.

Every day he gives that woman that $1,000, and then at the end of those 10,000 days, he's an amazing pianist. And at the next, when he breaks the curse, he should definitely give her, like, at least five or six more grand. Yeah, just even though she won't know. She'll never know. She's sunk a ton of time into it. She has no idea, though. She's an amazing teacher. This is his first lesson. What?

Yeah. He has a gift. Yeah. I wish I learned to play the piano Me too Was it the elbow? Yeah, I've got my elbow in my car right now Oh, no kidding It's a real good embouchure

It's a great embouchure It's got those double reed things I played a clarinet Poorly I also played the clarinet And then trumpet when I wanted to be a marching band And there were too many clarinetists And uh i was like trumpets shinier anyway no tricky embouchure yeah yeah you mix it up mix it up my sister loved the french horn she played the french

she was a violinist though she went violin viola and then she went french horn and then and trombone i love that she liked all of the instruments I played, including her own instruments. So I hid in a book. She hid in a pile of instruments in our childhood. Which is a more effective hiding place. It's louder. Yeah. Hers is a lot louder. I always think about my parents encouraging us to have instruments.

Anyone who would encourage their child to learn violin, you're like, you got a year and a half of... Yeah, and you're paying for that. And you're paying for that to happen to you. It feels like good parenting in retrospect. Yeah. It's like, that's someone who cares. Yeah. Definitely someone who's more patient than I am.

They're voluntary. Yeah, I never practiced my oboe, and I think my parents were kind of grateful. Like, you know what? There's no way this ends well so but music music music the gift of music yeah and if you're a man and you play music you're gonna get all the chicks because chicks love them especially if you play the oboe especially let me say you play oboe uh they get a ton of ass it's wild no kidding it's It was just me and two other very quiet girls. Right.

You will date. You will find a nice, if you like a nice quiet girl, play the oboe, young man. Yeah, you'll be sitting right next to them and they will be sweating. They will also need action. Yes. Everybody needs love. They're very horny and quiet quietly wanting yeah a little bit sinister too um hello and welcome to the bechdel cast i'm your host

caitlin i keep doing this joke over and over again i love this bit It's a hot bit. Hot bit. What was I saying? Should I have said yes to that mechanic? No. Okay. Why not? You could have met him somewhere for coffee or something. That's true.

He was being so nice and I was just like, but I gotta go. I gotta go. You could have just said, well, you seem nice. We could meet for coffee and give him your email address instead of your phone number. And then it could be less. I'll see him tomorrow. Oh, there you go. Do you want to go inside Sears? There's got to be a Starbucks right by Sears that you could meet at. There you go. It's sort of like an internet date, but in real life.

I don't understand. What's happened here is a gentleman who has seen you alive walking around has said, oh, I like whatever this is. That sounds perverted. It does seem a little weird at this late date. But you could at least talk to him for an hour. It's true. And then you could find out, you're like, yeah, this didn't work.

But I bet I would get a discount on my car. Oh. Well, it's also a business-minded move. Interesting. Interesting life choice. Yeah. You could find a coupon, a Sears coupon. Groundhog Day.

I want this to just keep playing over every day. This is the day that I want. This is the day when she gets hit on? Yeah. Every day she goes and strong arms her way out of the Sears? Yeah. I want that for you every day. Thank you so much.

I had a good time. And look how evolved I am. I didn't even need, like, I want something for someone else. I don't even want something for myself. That's so great. That is nice. Yeah. You're welcome.

That's so great. Now I'm not going to be put off when you say that you love me oh jamie i love you oh did that did that wear you out that's nice did you just did you just give someone wrestling tickets if so yeah right and then you heimlich maneuvered a dude i would it would be hard for me to tell someone who had just done a series of pretty kind things to fuck off. Yeah, sure. Even if I wasn't interested. He saves a boy who's falling out of a tree. She doesn't know about that one, though.

She doesn't. She's not even there. She doesn't know about that one. That's the sexiest one. No, I don't know. Well, and then the old guy with the soup. Oh, yeah. He tried to save that guy's life he tried

and there was like the as people die sometimes he's like not today not not not this day that i have to relive over and over again uh i will say a few things having grown up very close to punksy punksy pa uh this movie i think has more black people in it than the actual town of Punxsutawney it's an extremely but no speaking parts no the woman the nurse

maybe she's a doctor the hospital people one of those is a black woman the bartender at the hotel i think is a black man okay oh good says some stuff i mean it was nice that they got they i mean that's what i do like about harold ramis is that he does pepper all of his movies with a lot of characters so that everybody gets some work he's like everyone needs to make scale this year. See if I can help 20 people make scale. He's doing his part.

Yeah, he really did. So you've been to Punxsutawney? Oh, yeah. I grew up 20 miles away from there. Is it fun? No. It's a shithole. Just checking. She said it's just a pile of Trump supporters. Like in a file?

Hopefully a little Jenga. It'd be nice because then we could get a propellant. Or just like a wrecking ball. Yeah. Yeah, my dentist was there, so I had to go there. You have good teeth. You did a nice job.

You did well by Punxsutawney. Punxie? Punxie is what they call it. We already talked about Titanic today, Jackie and I. Right, because that's going to be your next one. We did not mention anything about steampunk, which is the other thing that gets mentioned. I was struggling to find steampunk parallels. There's no steampunk imagery in this movie.

Which is the mark of a great movie. Yeah. No steampunk. So there was no giant typewriter? Or possibly a dirigible with somebody wearing a bustle just gears just a pile of gears in the i have an amelia air hat that i bought uh at california adventure yeah oh see that's that's the right place to get it though i i saw oh i was in san

francisco over the weekend and i was triggered by the most flagrant display of steampunk culture i'd ever seen he was like this this street performer and people were loving it it was awful he was like he had these stilts that he'd made out of like accordions and he was wearing like two suede vests and and singing like a song and had all these coins that weren't american currency it was a horrible i'm so sorry i got i would got genuinely upset and like circled back around the block and i was like he's still there people are still loving his work i hate it i'm sorry what so what is sorry. You have love of steampunk? You have your steampunk snobs?

What's happening here? Deeply triggered by steampunk culture. I didn't know what it was until I started doing this podcast and Jamie talked about it every time. And you have been poisoned. Now I just by proxy hate steampunk culture.

You have never given it a chance. I went to a steampunk festival once. Sure. I've been to, and almost all conventions, like Comic-Con-y kind of stuff. Yeah. There's become a steampunk convention. Yeah, yeah, because people love to wear layers of fake velvet. Yeah.

And God love them. Makes them feel good. No, you don't. Here's a book you should never read. The Finishing School, a young adult series by a woman by the name of Gail Carragher. What? G-A-R-R. It's spelled like Carragher.

Okay. And it's literally everything. It's like she's taken all the things and put them in a blender and go, will this sell? Yes, it will. And I... Gail. Gail. Gail.

It's the Finishing School series and there are... It's a steampunk world where there are vampires and werewolves. And get this. So I read the first one and I had interviewed her for the dork forest, my other podcast. Right. And, um, and I said the thing that people have said to me about standup comedy and it isn't cool. And she took it very well as I have taken it from others. I said, this is better have said to me about stand-up comedy, and it isn't cool. And she took it very well.

As I have taken it from others, I said, this is better written than it has to be. Yeah. Because it could have been poorly written, and it would also have sold. But it's actually very well written. Oh, man. And the finishing school series is better than the adult. There's an adult series set in the same world. I like the young adult's world.

It has better plot points so far. And there's only four books, and it's lovely. But you would hate it. I would probably hate it. If anybody's fighting the good fight out in Bechdel land who wants to like steampunk against your wishes. I would love to really spar with someone who felt strongly about steampunk culture i would want to watch that i i would love to do it i wait i had another steampunk thought i'll remember if if the dark forest were about what you hated i would have

you on to talk about steampunk just to take them down oh i had an idea but i don't think that'll never execute so i don't mind saying it i wanted to start uh when i do stand up start just have just have like a zip tie or two in my back pocket. And then if I see someone in the audience who's wearing steampunk culture-style clothing, just call them up and place them under citizen's arrest. You could be the citizen's arrest comic. Yeah, it's like everyone needs to find their thing.

I think I'm really fine in my voice where I keep placing people under arrest. Have you ever been placed under citizen's arrest? No, I saw the manager of a bookstore I worked at attempt to place someone under citizen's arrest and failed to do so. What was the crime? Putting records down his pants.

You don't have to citizen's arrest that person. You can call a cop and arrest arrest that person. Right, but I guess he called the cops and they were like, we're not coming. Yeah yeah and the guy seemed like he knew like like they were far away or whatever and and so my my boss was like you know what i'm just gonna do it and he took a zip tie from the desk and went over and was like sir i'm placing you under citizen's arrest and long story short the guy kind of just took the records out of his pants and left. Well, at least he didn't.

I got some homeless gentleman tried to place me under citizen's arrest. I was ringing a doorbell outside of there was a kiddie corner from the Hollywood 101 diner. I don't know if I'm Franklin. Whatever.

So there was a woman that I was in an acting class with who I was going to meet, and I was ringing the bell for her, and she answered. And there was a homeless guy who had been following me for a little bit, and he came up, and he was like, let me in when she lets you in. And I said, no. I'm very sorry. I can't do that. Reasonable. And then he started yelling at me, and then he started yelling at me and then he started yelling citizens arrest and then the

person from my acting class answered she was like hey Jackie is that you should I let you up and I said don't do it giant man standing next to me who will come in next to me and she was like what and then she went away and I thought oh that was my only lifeline what have I done and then all of a sudden the sort of the door guy comes to

the door and that and so she called downstairs and talked to like i don't know a real person who was like sir you can't put it i'm glad everyone was safe yeah and then i wasn't killed you guys yeah that would have been truly selfless if you had been killed you're like i saved my friend i saved my friend i said no you're not going to want to let us both in. You're just going to want me to... We're going down together. Just on the camera, you can watch me be killed by this guy. But I wasn't, so it was all right. Speaking of being killed,

Bill Murray kills himself a bunch of times in this movie. Sorry, I'm just trying to get it back on track. No, please. Please do. How crazy is that? Yeah. And the thing is, is the first time he did it, right? On the train track, you think to yourself, oh, he's genuinely he he's been driven by the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting how how early on relatively in like the 1000 like that. That happens how quickly he gave up. Yeah, like he gave up. I mean, I guess that if you really feel like there's no other option and he doesn't know that within, you know, 80 minutes his ordeal will be over, you might be driven to that. But the first time I saw it, too, I was like, whoa, that's kind of fast. Well, he's still at this, like, very, you know, self-loathing, cynical asshole stage in his life.

It takes him much longer for him to realize that there's more to life than just hating yourself and everything around you. Like pianos and sculptures. Does Rita ever even talk to another woman? It does pass the test. It does, technically. It's another one of those, by the skin of its teeth yeah and it passes well because there's there's five different women in the cast total right if you include the doctor nurse lady right um but uh they don't really

interact with each other at all right no no barely there's a scene where um phil and rita are in the diner and doris the server comes up and she's like, more coffee, hon? And Rita's like, oh, yes, please. Or no, just the check. And then she's like, these sticky buns are heaven. Oh, so they talk about food. They talk about food. And it technically passes.

These are my least favorite passes because that's like the stock, like, what is the least you could possibly do? How few words can we say to each other to get these women to pass the best test? These sticky buns are heaven. That's a fun flourish. But it's like the least you could do. Right. You know, I always wanted there to be, in the last Avengers movie, movie uh the they're uh tony stark's girlfriend and um and thor's girlfriend are not at this big party and that's played by um gwyneth paltrow and um amidala what's oh natalie natalie portman yeah

so um neither of them could obviously be afforded in this gajillion dollar thing. So neither of them are at this meeting. And Marvel has been doing these one shots, these short things. It would be just awesome if during that party, they did a one shot where the two of them were, they could just call it the Bechdel test. Where the two of them were at dinner going, hey, are you going to the party? No, well, let's go out to dinner. And then they went out to dinner and talked about science. That would have been business because they're they're like the brains

and and and behind those two guys yeah yeah gone to a diner and been like women in stem let's talk about it but they never made that one shot they didn't they have dropped the ball they have missed and they've left money on the table and that's the only thing they've ever done everything else was great. Everything else, they nailed it. Stuck the landing. Yeah. Let me look through my notes and see what the other things I wanted to talk about.

First, I was like, oh, man, he just keeps being a dick to all these poor small town lady characters. But he actually treats the men and women pretty equally shitty. Pretty bad to everybody, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's just a genuinely bad person he does call uh his like co-anchor or whatever at the very beginning hairdo he's like all right hairdo for your information oh does he call him a hairdo it was a woman i use the two oh calls her calls her a hairdo yeah okay and i was like that's is he calling the guys cucks is that did he invent that no i'm so it took me so long to figure out just by hearing that word in context what it actually meant i never got it in context i had to actually look it up and i was like i see what you've done

it still doesn't make any sense whatever why does everybody like to say it now it makes me sad i learned what cuckolding was when I watched a documentary about birds. I don't know why that's so hilarious. Because your life is so exciting. That's why. You and other robin. It was narrated by Richard Attenborough. Or is it David Attenborough?

I get them confused. So does their mom. Yeah. Anyway, it was a good documentary. It's called Life of Birds. Life of Birds. Moving on. There's a scene that kind of upset me where it's toward the end at the bachelor auction at the Groundhog Day.

Yes. And Chris Elliott is up for being auctioned off. And no one wants him except those old ladies. And she's like like 25 cents and then he looks to see who won him and it's an old lady and he's like oh gross because you know old ladies women past a certain age are disgusting right yeah so that was a little upsetting i have ribbon candy in my in my vagina now that's how old i. It's just old cobwebs and doilies. That's like instead of counting rings,

you're just like, what kind of novelty items are in her vagina? My vagina's full of ribbon candy. Why isn't that the name of my next album? My vagina's full of ribbon candy. It's just a party bag. Oh man, I'm going to get off off topic again but there's a joke in arrested development where they're talking about a cabin an old cabin and job or someone's like who would

want to go into that musty old claptrap and i think they think they're talking about lucille and he's like oh the cabin that's great uh there's another scene where toward again toward the end uh marita is in bed with phil and she's like falling asleep and he's like it's okay you can fall asleep i won't touch you much and it's pretty rapey really funny here's the weird thing about rapey comments like that it's it's the weird like when – okay, I'm all married, right? I got a fella. It's all nice. So we were dating and then he saw me do a show and he showed up.

I was doing a run through. I have no idea why he came to a run through of my solo show in 2003. He liked you. Because he liked me and it was this, and it was, it was a half hour and it was the second part of a three-part solo show I was working on. And in 2003,

that's when, that's when one person shows were getting really brutal. Everybody had cancer and they were poignant. But mine was not. But this was the first draft, so it was a little more poignant

than funny. And so he saw this first draft kind of situation, and then he shows up an hour later afterward. Like, you know, essentially, we drove separately. And then, so he shows up at my apartment, like, an hour later, and he knocks on the door, and he goes, I thought I would just leave these flowers. And then I thought, that's weird. Is it weird that I've shown up with the flowers in hand I would love the show and you were great and then he gave me these flowers

and I was like that is so beautiful but if I didn't like him I would have thought it was creepy there's a fine line you have to sort of how is a person to know to some extent like if you like a guy and you're like I'm willing to drive drunk for you.

And that's not okay. That's the yardstick. That was my yardstick, sadly. But I mean, so I think she liked him enough that that was, it sounds rapey. Yeah. Except for that she liked him enough. Sure. That she was like, oh, he's not going to touch me.

Yeah. Except for that she liked him enough. Sure. That she was like, oh, he's not going to touch me. Yeah, he's not really going to be weird and start poking at my bits. Yeah. Just because I'm asleep. Because that, first of all, would wake her. Yeah, true. True. And she was like, I thought it was midnight.

Remember that? Oh, yeah. Like basic lack of understanding of not just the female body, but bodies in general. Whenever you poke anybody when they're sleeping they're gonna jump you're gonna wake that person up oh so real fast uh it does pass the bacterial test there's a couple other scenes where it's again super bare minimum like the scene where the three old women are in the car and they get a flat tire and they're like you totaled it oh it's an earthquake whenever he starts like uh but then that thing ends with them talking about him yep so it like passes for a second and then doesn't pass anymore yeah um and then a few scenes where like phil introduces

rita to someone another woman and they say hi to each other it lasts for a half a second on screen but feminism and then oh i also wrote in my notes, in all caps, white people dancing so painful. There's a... Oh, the dance? God. There's some really bleak dancing.

It's horrendous. Bleak is such a perfect word. But yeah, otherwise, I say we rate the movie. We have a rating scale of zero to five nipples. Because we're so... Oh, that is edgy. Body forward.

Body forward. Not body backwards. You guys are in favor of having bodies. Bodies. I love having a body. We're really all about the body agenda. I was so tired. I hated just being like a cloud of like a theater.

Just like a floating consciousness. Honestly, though, that does sound like my ideal would be nice. Love to just float. Yeah, that does sound pretty nice. All right.

I give it a, I love this movie. I think it's terrific. It's so well written. But in terms of its treatment of female characters, Rita is good and she's a pretty well-developed character, but just because she's the love interest and that's pretty much all she is, and then there's just not many other women for her to talk to or hang out with.

I'm going to give it a two, I guess. Well, harsh. It feels harsh. It does. I know because otherwise I'd give this movie five out of five because I love it so much. Right, right. Rewatchability, five out of five because I love it so much. Right, right. Rewatchability, five out of five. Yeah.

Totally. But of its treatment of women, you're probably right with a two. Yeah. Just because he's such a disaster. He is a mess. And him and the manipulative with the high school lady. Yeah, that is very manipulative. He's creep factor nine, man.

He also tries it on Rita for a while. Right. And that doesn't i mean the yeah it's and who else who knows who else he slept through like the whole those are just the things we saw on screen i'm gonna give it three because he does end up completely changing himself for a woman he does that oh my god i didn't even think about that I can't not respect someone's willingness to do that That's true, he did put in the time He could have been the devil He could have spent like 10,000 forever days Just deciding that he was going to rape every person in that town

Or deciding that he was going to kill every person once I wonder if he now has five nipples Did he only do it out of necessity? Because he's like, well, I got nothing else to do with my time. I better just become a nice person. Or did he do it because he actually... I think he actually changed because remember when he was sitting with her and he said, I'm not God, but I'm not the God, I'm a God.

Oh, yeah. And at that point, you're like, well, you could be a good God or you could be a bad God. And he chose to be a good God. Yeah. And I think he was taking enough actual genuine pleasure in the activities he was doing after a while that I was like, oh, it seems like he's actually happy to be there. Yeah. So anyways, I would encourage anyone to do that for any of us.

If you're a douchebag guy, change everything about yourself for a woman. Exactly. You can email us at the Bechtelcast at Gmail if you want to go on a date after you've changed yourself. Yeah, make sure you're totally different. Like they're listening to this because they're douchebags. They're like, wait, I'm bad. I think I better fix myself. This is going to work.

I love this podcast, by the way. I love it so much. The minutiae of a movie. I love the minutiae of a movie. I love the minutiae of a movie. We loved having you. And sorry, Jamie, that you missed about half of it. I'm sorry that I was... You can go back and listen to the idea for the Titanic, the TV show. Oh, yeah. You'd love it.

I'm very excited. Anyway, Jackie, thanks so much for being here. Do you want to rate it on a nipple scale? I think I'm going to go two and a half. I chose two. You went three. I'm going to go right in the middle because I'm pandering. But I know what you're saying because he did change.

And yet his initial – the treatment of – it makes me think that Harold Ramis is probably – and wow, nobody wants to hear a middle-aged white lady say this word, is not entirely woke. He's like on his way, but he's not there. Yeah, not completely, but who amongst us is? I use the word woke. Always an error. Always an error with the co-opting.

I love it. You hit the K. I hit it. And did you hit the K oh yeah I hit it I hit it and did you hear the silent uh I remember most of the 90s

when I didn't understand what hood was short for neighborhood it turns out hey grandma how's it going jeebus

well thanks for being here where can people find you online well people can find me at all the at Jackie Cation's in the world Cation is spelled K-A-S-H-I-A-N.

And then I have two podcasts. One is on this very network, the Nerdist Network. We're not on the Nerdist Network. We just reduced this studio. Don't tell anyone. Oh, no. Sort. Yeah.

But it's called The Jackie and Laurie Show. And it's just Laurie Kilmartin and I bitching about stand-up comedy, if you enjoy that. I highly recommend it. It's such a good podcast. And then The Dork Forest is on allthingscomedy.com, their network, and that is Al Madrigal and Bill Burr's podcast

network. And it is, I just interview people about what they really, really love. Today I did an episode with a guy who loves motorcycles. And I don't know anything about motorcycles. My mom was killed on one. She actually fell off and then died. But that was supposed to be a laugh line.

That's an interesting... Too soon, too soon. Possibly too soon. 40 years later or so. But anyway, dorkforest.com or jackiecation.com or familypetancestry.com because it made me laugh. And there you go. Well, you can also follow us at Bechtelcast on Twitter. You can find me on petfinder.com because it made me laugh. And there you go. Well, you can also follow us at Bechtelcast

on Twitter. You can find me on Petfinder.com. You can look at my profile on Neopets. Do you remember that? Don't even get me started on Neopets. Yeah, I better not because we've got to go, baby. Also,

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