The Bechdel Cast - Runaway Bride with Sophia Benoit

Episode Date: March 9, 2017

Jamie and Caitlin have a combined total of three degrees, but did you know they've also ran away from three weddings? (They haven't). Guest Sophia Benoit joins to discuss Runaway Bride.(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @1followernodad on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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start breathing heavy. But then you stopped the second I started breathing heavy. Yeah, I kind of bailed on it. Don't bail on the bit. Well, like me saying, hey, welcome to the Bechtel cast was like Caitlin's dialogue. So then I was just reading dialogue.

And then you came in with your dialogue. Well, mine was an action line more. It was like Jamie begins to breathe heavily. True. Anyway, I'm Caitlin. I'm Jamie. This is the Bechdelcast. Yeah, it is. It's a podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. We're here today and we're talking about another movie. Man, we've got to like kick up the energy.

We've got to turn it up to 11 right now. Maybe I should have gotten my mics hard. I'm going to crank it up. Crank it up. I have a song in my Spotify called Crank It Up. It's a theme to my favorite wrestler. Who's your favorite wrestler? Big Show.

Who? Big Show. Big Show? Big Show. He's big and he's at the show. He's very big. He's maybe seven feet tall. He's a giant. Can we change the subject? He's a big show. Should we introduce our guest? Yes. Cool. She's the best. She's a comedian. She's a writer for GQ. It's Sophia Benoit.

Hi. How are you? Good. How are you guys? We're good. You have brought us a movie that we're going to be talking about like very romantic comedies from the 90s. That's the theme of that list. Occasionally seeping into like early 2000s rom-coms. A lot are aimed at teens. So after looking at that list I talked with Jamie and I thought

this movie is probably one of the earliest movies I ever saw that was made for adults. I'm going to apologize in advance then and say that I'm sorry for how much I hate this movie. Oh, no. It's fine. It's okay. I'm not mad yet. Yeah.

Just wait. I love a good shouting match, though. I don't think it'll get to that, but who knows? It's the Bechdel cast. Anything can happen. Do you think we'll ever get into a fight? Not like a fist fight? I don't imagine a fist fight.

You're going to flip a table. You have a favorite wrestler, so I would not fight you. It's true. I want to enlist. Yeah. Big Show's about to retire. Oh, God. We're talking about this again?

Oh, my God. Okay, fine. Let's talk about... Oh, can I... Actually, I wanted to see if we're clear to discuss a topic that I would love to talk about, but I don't know if everyone's down. Richard Gere's butt dribble. I'm so down.

I'm here. Okay. Are you aware of the lore associated with Richard Gere and the gerbil within his ass? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't really remember. It's, it's great. I have the Snopes tab open right now in regards to Richard Gere and the gerbil.

It's, it reads, uh, Horry Urban Legend reports a celebrity was taken to a hospital emergency room to have a gerbil removed from his rectum. And said celebrity was Richard Gere. Snopes says it's false, but I want to keep that hope alive. It wasn't just that. Apparently there's like a sexual thing where you put a gerbil inside.

I've seen that episode of South Park. Okay, you've seen that. But that's from the rumor of him shoving a gerbil in a tube up his ass. Which is like, they have to be able to mechanically do that by now. Like you can get a tube that has something moving inside of it by 2017. You would think. You mean it doesn't have to be a live animal? You do not have to do that to a gerbil.

Animatronic. As a mother of a hamster i can't endorse putting a gerbil in your ass hey let's talk about the movie okay you grew up with it you like it a lot i yes i'm not i'm not like i think there's a huge difference between your favorite movie and the best movie like i definitely don't think this is a good movie and i would not this is like on the edge of what i'd make my boyfriend watch. If we had just fought or he had done something kind of shitty, I would definitely make him watch it. Like as punishment? Yeah.

It's not like Cinderella's story where that's like if he slept with somebody in front of my face and I was like, we're watching Cinderella's story tonight. It's my turn to pick a movie. But it's definitely like he said something shitty about like my sister or something like that and i'm like oh no no we're watching a julia roberts movie that's how i feel about this film that's good that's good training it is no he he knows how to behave yeah don't pee on the rug or i'll make you watch a julia roberts movie there's a joke in the movie about peeing on the rug that's there is there is there's a joke in the movie which um that his the rug. Is there? Is that where it's from? There is. There's a joke in the movie that his ex-wife has a new

husband and he's laughing on the rug and she's like, if you pee on my rug. That's the guy who's the limo driver in The Princess Diaries. Hector Lozano. Yeah, he's in all of Gary Marshall's movies. Oh, weird. They're like friends. He's also in Pretty Woman, which

also are stars, Julia Roberts and Richard Gere. If you're willing to call them stars, which I am, our stars are also in that film together. Interesting. Is this the first time they reunite since Pretty Woman? I think it's a sequel to Pretty Woman, really. Yeah. Okay, I haven't seen Pretty Woman in a long time, but so much of this movie,

I had fun watching it. It was very confusing, particularly towards the end. The sequence of events is just baffling. As a kid, there were things that weren't fucked up about it that are now, and that's really, really fucked up.

Yeah. Wait, Caitlin, do you want to summarize it sure well let me start by so Jamie you hadn't seen this movie before right I had not no neither did I so we both watched it recently so the story is ludicrous

it's fun alright Richard Gere is a columnist at USA Today. What a funny job. He's always trying to find his next story. He's like, what do I write about? And he meets this guy in a bar.

The guy's like, there's this lady. She runs away from weddings. Write a story about her. He's like, great idea. I'll do it. And in this world, everyone reads the columns in USA Today. Yeah. And the columnists are famous. You can recognize them on the street.

They're an A-list celebrity. Hey, what's your next story for USA Today? So he writes this story about this woman who he doesn't know, and he ends up getting some facts wrong. So the woman reads it, a.k.a. Julia Roberts, and she's like, uh-uh-uh. You gotta fact check, sir. So she writes a letter to the editor, gets him fired. By his ex-wife?

Yeah, by his ex-wife. Because he said she ran away from seven or eight weddings, but it was only three. So, you know, this very high-stakes story that he messed up a little bit gets him fired. That's a big mistake. What year was this movie at? Do you remember? 1999. We were just coming off a Clinton presidency

and I feel like the world, this was news. Things were good back then. You have to remember that. What's the standard of what's a news story is different. That makes sense. Also, I do believe that that is a story that would appear in the coffee to post. Yeah.

I don't know. I believe that this story would be of interest. I don't believe that Richard Gere could make a living as a USA Today weekly columnist. That got me a little stuck. But maybe maybe I don't know what the going rate was in 99. Who knows? Right. It's not so much that.

Sure. It's like it's a human interest story that might be interesting to some people the fact that he gets fired over like getting a few facts wrong and again what's a very low stakes story like if he was like but like a story about north korea's nukes or something yeah right if he wrote kim jong-il ran away from seven or eight weddings when kim jong-il had actually only run away from three weddings. That would be a fireable offense. I agree.

Right. Anyway, so he decides to go to this small town in Maryland where this woman lives to get the story straight once and for all. Hell yeah. He goes and he meets her and she's like, you're a bad man. And he's like, oh, I'm just I'm here to basically he wants to see her run away from another wedding because she's about to get married again to Bob. Christopher Maloney. Poor Bob. Bob doesn't get Bob gets kicked around in this movie.

He's a good guy to recover pretty well from it, which is also an insane plot point that he's still, two days after he's dumped, he's like, Here, have a little boutonniere. The wedding that should have been his wedding, which is the weirdest part of this movie by far. Why would you go? Why would you go? First of all, that is a testament to Bob's resilience. He bounces back immediately. He's like an emotion.

Yeah. He's like an emotionless coach. You know, he doesn't have time to put his feelings on the field, even when it comes to Julia Roberts. That's true. That's true. You really have to think about the fact that he's willing to give it his all.

There's this weird line of dialogue when he's at the wedding. Well, I'm sorry. I like just took us to the end of the movie. No, it's, I mean, what happens in the middle almost nothing they hate each other then they start to like each other very abruptly might I add

but the specifics are like yeah very abruptly but just to he buys her a wedding dress though let's put that out there if a guy buys you a wedding dress that's a pretty serious step that's true woo me daddy I would love someone to just bring me a wedding dress. Amen.

If someone brought me a wedding dress, like... I'd be like, all right, well, we've already... To quote Julia Roberts' character, we've already got a date and a venue. All we're missing is a groom. We got the church and got the dress. Yeah. I guess we should get married. Okay.

So, basically, I do agree with you that basically nothing happens for about 45 minutes except like joan cusack gets upset at one point but then she's fine uh so there's like a luau she's not even a character it's just joan cusack is in the movie that's pretty much yeah like she's upset she's joning out hard in this movie she's like peggy fleming not the ice skater. Yeah, what a weird joke to make. It's such a bad joke. It's terrible. For a romantic comedy, there's almost no trace of comedy in this movie. I found nothing funny about it. Well, no, it's funny because her dad is an alcoholic.

That is funny. One funny line of the movie is when her dad is drunk and calls the dog Porthole. I think that's a classic joke. And I have considered getting a dog and naming it Porthole. And no one will know what I'm talking about. But to me, I'll be like, from Runaway Bride. But then someday someone will know. And then you'll be like, okay, buy me a wedding dress.

Right. It'll probably be Richard Gere. It'll be Richard Gere. Richard Gere. I love Richardard gear so much he's one of my faves i don't care what he's done with gerbils but he's so annoying in this movie his well his character is like why well okay questions about richard gear in this movie include why do people not just ask him to leave?

And in particular, why is he allowed to stay with Julia Roberts' family? No, he stays at a hotel. No, he stays at a hotel because she breaks in. She breaks into the hotel. Also, her family loves everybody. Her family loves him. They trust him. Except for the dog, Porthole, who barks at his colorful hair.

Crazy, crazy bit. Oh, that was a fun prank what a fun prank thing in this funny movie it's like in big fat liar when they make paul giamatti blue you ever seen that no yes it is like that it is like that that's a good movie the one joke that i do like from this movie is the pun that is the hair salon name which is curl up and dye but dye spelled D-Y-E for like hair dye I like that and

Peggy Fleming's husband Corey has a radio show called Wake Up With Phlegm yeah that's another good pun that was exciting a little thrill there's some small town charm in this movie I just I felt so bad for Bob okay so That was exciting. A little thrill. There's some small town charm in this movie. I felt so bad for Bob. Okay, so they're at, is it the wedding rehearsal?

Richard Gere is allowed to be there because Julia Roberts is like, give me money for a nice dress and I'll let you tag along for the third act of this movie yeah uh and then they're at julia and bob's rehearsal and they're like rejurgi are you be the priest no they make him be the groom and then bob is going to be the priest so that he can watch her walk down the aisle and not break eye contact with her because they set up that like that's the only way she'll marry you is if you don't break eye contact that and what a terrifying precedent uh for the it's so it's like it is kind of funny how even julia roberts accepts like yeah if you don't make eye contact with me i might i might just leave and there are times where she and richard gear are like okay this is a much. You guys are making fun of me too much. But she still is like, yeah,

I run away from a lot of weddings. What's interesting, too, is that this was right around the time that she had left Kiefer Sutherland at the altar two days before their wedding in real life. No way! She did that during the filming of the movie Hook and she ran away

from the filming and went to London. And Steven Spielberg had to go get her because she was running away from a wedding from Kiefer Sutherland. Whoa. God. I had no idea that happened. That really brings a whole fun element to it. I had no idea. Wow.

Poor Kiefer. I know. He has quotes about it later that was like, I understand why. I'm like, I know you cry every night that you're not married to Julia Roberts. God. Oh, man. But what a strong showing of manly strength.

But, okay, so how Richard Gere and Julia Roberts finally get together romantically is that Richard Gere is standing in for Bob because Bob is practicing making eye contact like a good husband. And Richard Gere and Julia

Roberts kiss for like 45 seconds. It's so long. It's so uncomfortable. And you don't see it coming and everyone at the rehearsal is like, what is going on? Bob starts to flip out

rightfully so. He's practicing eye contact. He's doing the right thing. Then Bob is like we're breaking up. Goodbye. And then Julie Roberts and Richard Gere just shrug it off.

Don't go after Bob. And then start planning their own wedding. I was like, this is the meanest, most fucked up, toxic thing I've ever seen in my life. I want to see what happens next. Well, the reason that no one saw it coming that they're suddenly kissing

is that it's a poorly written story beat. There's no build up. There's no... To me, it was just like, all right, oh, they're kissing now at this wedding rehearsal. It's very sudden. And then they're like, all right, yeah, Bob's gone. Now I have a dress. I have the church.

I have the date blocked off on my calendar. Why don't you and I get married, guy, who I hated until two moments ago? Have you guys not ever seen any other romantic comedies? I mean, this one. No, I mean, I love a good romantic. I love all of them, particularly the J-Lo ones. I love those.

But this one, the change was so abrupt that even as a rom-comcom lover I was like, wait a second, this is... And also, Julia Roberts, way to make it clear immediately that you were not invested in marrying Bob even a little. Because the second he was like, I don't know, she's like you're right, I'm gonna marry this guy. I do think it's kind of reasonable

because they're the two hottest people in that town so you knew they were gonna fuck. If you're the two hottest people, even if someone's about to get married to someone else, you're like, well... Yeah, if someone hotter comes along, you're like, sorry. Well, we don't know. We never got to see Bob in the suit. That's true. If Bob... Bob is like a Ken doll.

Even down to his whole anatomy. Probably. He's just this non-sexual but very fit man. He's got a sex lump. He doesn't have a penis. I think that's true. He's got a sex lump. He doesn't have a penis. I think that's true. He's got a sex lump that gets really hot. Yep.

But then it just cools down. Yeah, it glows. That's how I imagine Bob and his sexuality. But then if you give him a little kiss, it cools down.

Bob just wants a little kiss. Caitlin's triggered. I'm so triggered. No, I just, this movie's so profoundly stupid to me i thought it was fun and also just like another there's just like a lot of real like bigger than usual rom-com hard lefts where at first it's like it's funny because her dad's an alcoholic but then very suddenly it's like it's sad because her dad's an alcoholic and then by the suddenly it's like, it's sad because her dad's an alcoholic. And then by the end, it's like, it's kind of funny that her dad's an alcoholic.

To be fair, as someone who has a dad who's an alcoholic, I feel like that's really the emotional journey. It's like, okay. Oh, all right. Well, it's kind of funny. Well, that was a good joke. All right. Thank you for providing a punchline for my childhood. Exactly.

Can we talk about how this movie is two hours long? Is it? Yeah. can we talk about how this movie is two hours long is it yeah oh rom-com should not be longer than like an hour 40 tops this movie is clocks in just under two hours and it's there is a long period where nothing really happens but it's it's it's that's when they do all the rom-com goofs and pratfalls and laughs you really have to get all the information about that small town in there. Like, it's Hail Maryland. If you can't get all of the shots of Hail Maryland in there. There's a salon called Curl Up and Die.

And he's, like, playing with the barbershop quartet and meets, like, the baker woman, Betty Trout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Betty Trout. I like Betty Trout. I kind of shipped her and Bob, but then she's married. Well, there's that other, there's that girl, that horny woman who chases after Bob. And it's like, Bob, maybe this is a bad time, but here's my phone number. And then she's like, see, look, people are already excited for you.

I'm like, dude, just got broken up with, like left at the altar. By you. Don't shout encouraging things at poor Bob. Bob needs so much therapy. He needs so much. Do you think he and Julia Roberts have ever had sex? No. Does he even know he has a sex lump?

He springs himself upon her on the floor of their kitchen. I think that probably led to his sex lump. I thought they were wrestling. Because he's a sportsman. Are sex and wrestling not the his story. Oh, I thought they were wrestling. Because he's a sports boy. Are sex and wrestling not the same thing? Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. We've found one of Caitlin's blind spots.

My sex name is Big Show. Big Show. He's got a beard right now. The woman who, I think it's the same character who runs after him right after he's gotten broken up with. Is it her cousin who introduces herself in the movie as Maggie's unmarried cousin? That's how I introduce myself to people. Hi, I'm Caitlin, comma, unmarried.

I felt like she was making a joke, not a good one, but a joke about not being married because he's writing the column about getting married a bunch of times. It's not a clear or good joke, admittedly. And it sounds just stupid. But maybe she's going for something there. Maybe she's just stupid. Maybe she just wants to put it out into the universe. He also is hot, so maybe they're trying to set up that she's being like, I'm single.

Could be, yeah. I felt for, well, I guess I didn't even really feel for, Joan Cusack's role in this movie is fun because she was, I mean, I feel like she sort of gets better roles now, but she was like the Judy Greer of her time. She's never had a, she's never had a starring role in a movie. Like I literally, my boyfriend and I have gone through her IMDb page looking for, she's never had a star, like she's huge. Everyone knows who she is. And she's never had a movie where she stars in it but she's in School of Rock

she's in everything she's in my dreams I want her to be True Detective season 3 it's just her dude that would be great oh man she's due for what is the Matthew McConaughey movie yes

it's going to be a Joan-a-sance. I kept wanting to say Black Snake Moan, but that's not the movie that Matthew McConaughey was good in. What's the one where he's... Dallas Buyers Club? Yeah. You confused Dallas Buyers Club for Black Snake Moan? Three words, baby. Three word, baby. Three word titles. But Joan's role, Joan is clearly caught in one of those weird hometown friendships that has run its course, but there's not anyone else to be friends with.

And so she's letting Julia Roberts just wave her nips at Corey. cory and and it ends up being like but and it becomes an issue to like oh is this a b plot where we're at where is this going nowhere joan q's actually like i think it's interesting it's just what you're like it's just what you're like it's fine i was like man john stand up for yourself i do wish they'd gone further admittedly but i think it's an interesting question of like a lot of people have friends that are really flirtatious and it's like very uncomfortable where you're like, I don't really know what to do. Right. And Joan is so nice and she loves Julia Roberts so much. But that's like the attitude of everyone towards Julia Roberts in that hometown of like, this is just how she is. She runs away, but we love her. No one offers any advice or help.

From a storytelling point of view, the fact that opportunities for tension just aren't capitalized on very much. She's like, do I flirt with your husband? And she's like, yeah, but it's okay. There could be just more conflict

and tension from opportunities like this, but they don't milk it. And it just, it makes it for just not a very interesting story to me. I mean, it's good that Joan and Corey are secure enough in their marriage that they don't need to make a thing of it. Sure. But also I'd be like, Corey, maybe cool it a little bit. Cool it on Julia. I mean, I think the point of that is like that everyone in the town is in love with her because she's like the only hot person

right right I mean like that's like the guy the desk guard lets her into the hotel room of Richard Gere's and like because she flashes those teeth he's like here commit a felony break and enter that's fine can we talk about the eggs

I was hoping that this came up thank god motif wait what her liking the eggs. Like every time she's with a guy, she likes the kind of eggs that they like. Right. She doesn't know how to be your own person. It's a metaphor. What's there to discuss?

It's beautiful. I think about that all the time. Every time I'm eating eggs, I think about Julia Roberts. I'm like, do I even like these eggs? Or does the guy I want to fuck like these eggs? Sloppily written. It's crazy that Richard Gere says word for word three separate times. Oh, yeah? How does she like these eggs or just a guy i want to fuck like these wappily written it's crazy that richard gears says word for word three separate times oh yeah how she like her eggs shouted at men as they're leaving a room oh yeah you think you're how she like her eggs i think i'm

gonna get that tattooed on my ass how she like her eggs quote ike graham turns out she likes eggs benedict yeah yeah but she tries all kinds of eggs on her own when she's finally single she Eggs, quote, Ike Graham. Turns out she likes some eggs Benedict. Yeah. Yeah. But she tries all kinds of eggs on her own when she's finally single. She finally learns how to be single. She learns how to be herself. That's why I love being single. I can eat any kinds of eggs I want.

When you figure out what kind of eggs you like, that's when you know you've fixed yourself. Yeah. I'd be like, you know what? I like over easy. I do think that the moral of the story, what they were going for, is a good moral of like you have to learn how to be alone and who you are and not with other people. That's, like, a good moral.

That's not the moral of most rom-coms. You've got to learn how to cook your own eggs. Because most rom-coms are the opposite, where they're like, this independent woman who doesn't want a man. Instead, they, like, leaned into being like, okay, there are people that, like, give themselves up for whoever they're with but

i feel like that would have hit a little more if she had not married richard or if this had been a good movie right but i mean that's not why we're here i'm just saying like it's a good lesson poorly executed because her character is like who i can't even describe her. They're like, she's quirky. But is she? Not really. She's still kind of just. Well, according to Joan Cusack, she's quirky. And that's different from weird.

Right. Which is also different from. What's another adjective thrown around in that scene? I don't remember. No, because Julia Roberts says like, I'm weird. Which, first of all, grow up. She's like, I'm weird. And then Joan Cusack is like, you're not weird. You're not weird you're quirky it's different aka and weird are two very different things yeah but with with joan joan uses another

word to describe herself that feels like she's selling herself short yet again i agree that i wish joan would have been the star of this movie if that's what you're leaning towards oh my god i would love if joan were the star of this movie but to loop back into the thing of like her not ending up with richard gear her point when she was like here's why i couldn't marry you is because with the first three guys they didn't know who i was and then with this marriage when i tried to marry you the first time you knew who i was and that scared me because i didn't know who i was so i have to go find myself and then she finds herself and she's like i'm ready ready. So it's not like entirely. She, she sells her lamps and she knows who she is now, by the way.

I love how they say in the early, early in the movie that her degrees in industrial design, which I think whoever wrote this movie thinks that that means that you take industrial looking things and design them into stuff. That's hilarious. Which is not what industrial design is, but that's funny. Way to go. Is it Gary Marshall who wrote this? No, he directed it. Josanne McKibben and Sarah Perriott.

Wow, women. Two women wrote this movie. They let women write a movie. Wow. Never again should that happen. Can we? Oh, okay. One thing that I really do want to talk about is Julia and Richards's, I don't remember their characters' names, Maggie and Ike's first wedding where she does run away.

That is a very fun. I did not think she was going to run away. Here's the thing. I thought that that was going to be the end of the movie. Turns out there were 20 more minutes. Yeah. Anyways, she does run away. And then there's an amazing extended product placement for FedEx.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Down to, yeah, down to they say what the slogan for FedEx was at the time. Oh, yeah. Because he's like, wherever she's going, she'll be there by 1030 tomorrow morning. Right. End scene. Yeah.

But Julia Roberts runs away from Richard Gere after Richard Gere shouts, when she starts to leave, lock the doors. Stop her. Stop her. Keep her here against her will. That's what marriage is. This ceremony can recover from what's happening right now. This ceremony can recover from the bride not wanting to get married. Right.

Like, yeah, just about Faith. She went the wrong way. She's going to marry me. We know each other for two whole weeks. What I do think is crazy is at the very, very end when they get married again, like for real this time, she did it. She goes through with it. She buys another fucking dress. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. That's true. And they're not on that kind of budget she works at a hardware store he worked he's a usa today columnist not anymore he got fired yeah he didn't sell that story to gq i guess as if gq would want that so what do you think what do you think would gq want that as a cover story i think it i think they would why not yeah why not i had such a hard time believing that's like if daniel from the vans you know damn daniel if he ran away from a wedding i think we'd all want to know true damn daniel's runaway wedding they didn't have internet celebrities back then they just had like you know newspaper celebrities right i feel like the last celebrity

of the runaway bride kind was that astronaut who wore a diaper. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. And I love her. Actually, I talked about her with somebody the other day. She's really important. We should.

We should have her on the show. It's not my show, but we should have her. We should. We should bring her into the fold a little more because she I mean, if we're going to talk, we usually say women in STEM at least once every podcast because we're allies and we love women in STEM. Yeah, we can get specific. Women in STEM rule, but also astronaut women in diapers rule. She's the opposite of a runaway bride, really.

She ran towards love. And there were no time for bathroom breaks in her journey. I respect that. I respect the fuck out of that. I don't know if I'm that familiar with this story. Oh, man. Oh, we'll have to talk about it. It's going to be a long talk.

I'll look it up on my own. The overview is, like, there were two astronauts at NASA, a woman and a man. And then he started dating somebody else, and she got really mad about it. So she drove like something unreasonable, like 11 hours or something, wearing a diaper to go confront him and like attack the woman. And so she was charged with like, planning to murder someone, I think. I assume that she was wearing a diaper in space, like a space diaper.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. She was wearing a real person diaper. So she was in a car and she's like, I got to get there ASAP. No time to pull over for an arrest stop. Right. Got to piss and shit myself for true love. She might have had to shit. She might have not eaten, you know, just made sure she was fine.

Yeah, it was premeditated, so wait a minute. She might have been a really big planner. It seems like it. I mean, you've got to be meticulous if you're an astronaut true maybe she had the diapers already she's like never knowing you're gonna need space diapers she's like i got some leftover from space yeah maybe yeah maybe that's her road trip thing and it's not a bad idea for road trip and the failing press did not point that out lamestreamream media. Lamestream media. Why isn't there a movie about her?

That's the really, that's the million dollar question. That's crazy. I'll write it. I'll look at the life rights and then I'll... Make sure it passes the Bechdel test. Oh my god. Every line of dialogue will be passing the test. I do like that

she proposes once she runs away from the wedding the first time. I do like that she proposes once she runs away from the wedding the first time. I kind of liked that scene. Yeah. I don't necessarily like the scene, but I'm so sorry that I hate this movie so much. I don't like the scene, but I like the woman being the one to propose.

They do that with Julia Roberts a lot, it seems like. Also in Nodding Hill, she is very much the male character. She's very unlikable in that movie, which I love. She's not fun and kind, and she's successful, and he's kind of a bumbling idiot. So they kind of did it a little bit with this movie, too, I feel like, where they're like, you be a man. Right. And at the time, it was like, oh, what a novel and interesting thing to make our friend Julia do.

I did like that the first time Richard Gere delivered that very clunky monologue about marriage and you and someday love. One or both of us will want to get out of this. Yeah. Maybe leave, but then stay. And then she has to verbatim deliver that same clunky monologue back to him where she's like, it's like you said, maybe leave and then stay.

He's like, I will marry you. I like to see. I like to see. I like that we saw on screen a woman proposing to a man. I have a real problem with the traditional, like, you're together. You want to get married. Maybe you've talked about it. Who knows?

But generally, if you're in a hetero relationship and you're the woman, you kind of just have to wait around to be asked to. And it just takes out your agency, you know? So I like that she's like, you know what? I want this thing. I'm going to go out and ask for it and try to get it. So I like that she's like, you know what? I want this thing. I'm going to go out and ask for it and try to get it. So I like that part of it. I did also like that they didn't make it a big deal. It wasn't likely that people kept being like, and she proposed as a woman.

Like that movie Leap Year with Amy Adams. She proposes, but it's like a whole thing that she's allowed to propose because she's a woman on Leap Year day or something. I'm like, you can do it any day. Right. They're like, it's opposite day. It's fine. It's wacky. Just in terms of woman characters, probably the woman in this movie who has it together

more than anyone is Richard Gere's ex-wife. Yes. I think that that was like an ex-wife character that can very often be made to be shrewish, especially because she fired him. And that could have been made to seem like a vendetta thing. But it wasn't. She was just doing her job.

And they have this very, I mean, very weird scene where Richard Gere pretty much kisses her on the mouth in front of her new husband. Right. Didn't love that. But for the most part, she seems to have it together and she's like, I accept that our marriage is, you know, she's not pining after him.

She's his boss. She fires him, but no hard feelings. And then she attends his, honestly, okay, if I were her, I would attend

the Julia Roberts, Richard Gere wedding because it seems like such a bad idea that like, there's a little petty revenge in there. I think it's, I think they're friends though too. Like, a bad idea that there's a little petty revenge in there. I think it's friends, though, too.

I just remember the guy's name, Fisher. Fisher is her new husband. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love him. He's great. Hector, slay me. Drive my limo any day.

Yeah, that's a euphemism. If you're listening, Hector, that is a euphemism. Yeah, I refer to my vagina as a stretch limo. But I liked their friendship. It seems like he's like a clueless idiot ex in a lot of ways that had no idea why they broke up and like all that. And she was like, look, I've moved on with my life. But by the way, here's what you fucked up. And I loved that because that's like how I want to be as an ex.

It's like, we can be friends. We're fine. But here's like, you're a mess and I'm great. The ex-wife whose name I really don't remember, and her new husband fisher they have a great relationship fisher's not jealous that richard gear is you know works with her or is around i was like man this couple is very stable i wouldn't want to see a movie about them because they're so stable they're in therapy they literally talk about how yeah it takes three people to make their marriage work me fisher and our therapist and it looks like it's working yeah her name is ell is Ellie, by the way. Ellie. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I'm pro-Ellie.

I am pro-Joan. I'm pro-everyone in this movie, except Richard Gere sometimes. There's a lot of really good women in the movie, I think. Yeah. The grandma's adorable. Oh, classic horny grandma. Loved that. I wrote down some of my favorite lines from the movie, including...

It's funny when a grandma says penis. That's the core... I bet someone said that in a meeting, and they're like, you know what? That's true. History has proven it's funny when a grandma says penis. Right. Well, they give her the button in a bunch of different scenes, as though what she has said is a funny laugh line to go out on.

And it's usually not. But, I mean, good on her. She's horny. It's a fun joke. One of my favorite lines from the movie is she says, innocent girls are terrified of the one-eyed snake. When I was a virgin bride, I took a knitting needle to bed with me. What? Toad?

What? Like, as a weapon to shove up her pussy. She's going to bed with me. What? What? Like as a weapon to shove up her pussy? She's going to stab a dick. She's going to stab his dick. And I love it. That's a fun joke. Honestly, that's one of the better jokes of this movie. I love that she calls it a one-eyed snake.

I love that she was a virgin and scared. And she was going to get militant. She was like, let's skip right to stabbing your dick. There is nothing funnier than a scared virgin, first of all. The only thing funnier is stabbing your dick. I interpreted it as when she first said it, is she going to, like, try to, like, butter herself up with a knitting needle? Like, that's what I thought she was saying. I liked horny grandma.

I mean, it would be Betty White today if it were cast today. That's Betty White, yeah, past 10 years, horny grandma characters. And that grandma, may she rest in peace, probably. Most likely rest in peace. Probably made a ton of money on that and traveled the world and was a horny grandma there. She probably sent her two grandsons to college with the money she made from Runaway Bride. Oh, that would be so nice. And then they're like, you know, that would be

cool if you hooked up with a guy in college and he's like, you know why I can afford to go here? Because my grandma said penis. That's amazing. I wonder when her grandsons went to college and I wonder if I fucked them. I can't wait to find out. If that were the reason I could afford college, I would tell everyone.

That would be like my pre-hookup story. I'd be like, by the way, just so you know, Grandma and Runaway Br bride is why I'm here. I want to talk about wedding culture. First of all, the... Hashtag wedding culture. This movie, while it's like, yeah, you gotta find out who

you are first before you can pair off with someone else. That's good. But it's still like, marriage is the end goal. You're not successful until you've married. It's kind of's good but it's still like marriage is the end goal you're not successful until you've married it's kind of also the message it's sending i feel like this movie like i don't know 99 that's that's a tricky i feel like that's like around the time where that mentality was like maybe dying but not dead yeah well sex in the city hadn't happened so people didn't know it was an option to be sam. You know what I mean? Right, right.

Like, it wasn't cool to be a fun slut yet. It wasn't. And, like, thank God we can all be fun sluts now. Oh, I love being a fun slut. You know, because, like, back then the movies were, like, Parent Trap, and it was, like, let's wear beige and, like, be a mom, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that was the roles for women were, like, a mom. Yeah, and this movie doesn't deal with it in a great way for sure.

But I don't know. It's weird that I feel like within a few years of this movie coming out, that mentality slowly started to dissipate. And I'm sure it did have something to do with Sex and the City. Well, because, like, right around this time is also just a little bit before was, like, You've Got Mail. And if you watch that movie, like, it's a much better written romantic comedy. But the aim of the main character is not like sex or fun. It's like dating a nice guy. And that was like all romantic comedies in the 90s were like, I want to date a nice guy.

And then right after it, it was like fun sluts, you know? Right. Which is great. I'm just saying that's like very par for the course for 98, I feel like. Even so, weddings still happen. And I just want to talk about how they're a huge money-making scam. Yeah, you heard it

here first, guys. Wedding, if you have a wedding, you're throwing away your money. Because, like, first of all, why are there so many different events for what should just be one event? Because you've got your bridal shower. You've got your bachelorette or your bachelor party.

You've got your rehearsal and your rehearsal dinner. And then you've got the wedding itself. And then you've got the reception. And then you're supposed to go on a honeymoon. And sure, you're celebrating this great thing that's happening in your life. But it's just it comes with like, oh, you got to document it with a videographer and a photographer. And it's got to be flowers. And you got to buy a dress that's thousands of dollars.

And you have to book out a venue that's thousands of dollars. And you got to stationary. I find it hard to believe that all of that would make me happier than a $250 Target gift card. Right. Absolutely. Like, absolutely. There's no way that somebody would offer me either that or even a $50 Target gift card. I'd be like, that sounds really thrilling. That would be the better choice.

I don't know. I really do enjoy weddings. I don't know. I like going to them a lot. I love it when other people have them. But then I think about, oh, you don't have $30,000 for a party. What life do you live? You'd have to

live a very different life in my world to pay for it. Also, the idea of a wedding ring alone, just like paying for a rock that's so much money. I'm like, do you know you can buy a car? You can buy a whole car. Let's get back tats car let's get a functional thing let's get back tats full back tattoo for less yeah exactly let's get sleeves that match

i could get like someone will get your matching worm tattoo someday no you could literally just get like the whole script of shrek tattooed on the back of your body. Yeah. That would be a fun couple activity. I love Shrek. I love Shrek. Why didn't we do Shrek? I would have loved to talk about it. Wait, what? Can we do that?

It's crazy that we haven't done a Shrek episode yet. I'm doing a Shrek podcast and I'll invite both of you guys on. Yes. I love Shrek so much. We just keep watching Shrek over and over and over. Yes. I like weddings. I don't like getting too involved

in weddings because when it comes to the point where I was a maid of honor last year and I had to fly across the country three separate times to do shower, bachelorette, and then wedding. And then I missed something or other and everyone was mad. That I didn't love.

Not only are you putting a financial burden on yourself, you're often inflicting it on a bunch of other people oh yeah i mean and usually the people uh closest to you that you love yeah you're like let me fuck these people sorry you gotta buy this this dress and i have to get you a juicer yeah i would absolutely make my worst enemy my maid of honor like there's no bigger fuck you than you need to take care of this party that i'm planning i am excited okay i do want to have a uh like a wedding someday and i have all these fun pranks planned me too i want to put like a wild card in my bridal party like someone that like i'm not particularly close to but like just really just guilt her into being in my bridal party and being very close

with everyone else and everyone being like who's this person um and i also have this plan for my whole life uh where and it starts at my wedding because i forgot to do it at my college graduation uh where i in every major event in my life i want there to be someone dressed in a Scooby costume, like a mascot costume, but be in the background of the picture. And then at the birth of my child, he'll be in the background of the picture. We'll have, well, I'll have to have a guy.

I can call a guy for hire. I got a, I wanted to have a ring bear and have the person dress up in a full bear costume, but like an adult man, like not a cute little child costume. No, it can't be cute. It has to be alarming. I want my wedding to be very alarming. I want everyone to feel like they had a bad dream. I'm going to ask people that aren't my parents to walk me down the aisle, but like not even close to me. They're just like random people. Don't even get me started on all the implications of that. I close to me they're just like oh yeah don't even get me started on all the implications of that like i want to get stunt doubles for my parents to do flips like the whole like father giving away his daughter to it's like well on my daughter's

property yeah my father's property now i bestow this property on to this other man who and oh yeah you got to change your name now because I want my dad and the man I married to do like a Britney Madonna style kiss and pass my spirit on I want my dad now you're the princess of pop I really want my dad

to end up like Richard Gere in this film and to end up kissing the groom and then not me. And that's how we find out my dad's gay. I want to get cucked at my own wedding and watch my dad and my beloved make out.

And maybe go further. In my wedding, at least. I'm fine if they go further. A little tweaking? Do what you feel is appropriate. I would enjoy a wedding if that happened. I don't like, I want to be clear. I understand like wanting to throw a celebration

for this important day in your life. But even if you don't do it, guess what? You still can be married if you fill out all the paperwork anyway. Or if you just hang out for seven years. Yeah, just live together for a while and then you'll be married. But I understand like wanting to like throw a party,

but does it need to be as extravagant as what we're doing and what we have been doing for decades? No, I don't think so. No. It's financially irresponsible for most people. I don't like it. Yeah, I used to have a joke about like,

would you have the same wedding if you had to invite a kid that was like starving to your wedding? And like, probably you'd be like, oh, $30,000 is not a good thing to spend on a party when the world's like this yeah exactly like the world is so bad thirty thousand dollars could save like 18 families right yeah i do love listening to people talking about the specifics of their wedding though because it's always so serious but if you're even one step removed from it you're like this is the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life like my my my

cousin got married and the she would I would hear her on the phone. She'd call me crying because, like, shit wasn't rustic enough. She'd be like, I really, my mom doesn't want to pay for the tables. I want the tables to be barrels because barrels are rustic, and I don't understand why we can't afford enough barrels. It's just like, oh, honey, this problem is big. This is a big problem. You've got to get those barrels.

My really only requirement is I'm going to walk down the aisle to the sign Africa by Toto. That's like my absolute. Because you're going to get so amped from that that it doesn't even matter who I'm marrying. But I'm just going to be like, I'm in. By the time you walk down the aisle to Africa, you'll marry literally anyone. Literally anyone. Literally anyone. Is it Bob Costas?

Who is it? I don't care. Put him up there. Turn around. Who am I? That's how I feel about weddings. Sorry, weddings are fun. I mean, maybe it's because I don't get invited to them. Maybe that's why I hate them.

I really... Here's another call from my cousin. Jay, I lost the cornhole game. Jay I lost the cornhole game and I was painting the cornhole game because it's a rustic game to play and now my husband doesn't want to he's not my husband yet but he's going to be my husband

and no one's going to be able to play cornhole are they still married? yeah so far so good how long has it been? four months it'll last still married? Yeah. So far, so good. How long has it been? Four months. Oof. All right. It'll last. Marriages always do.

Guys, I think this one's gonna... I think they're gonna make it. Oh, good. Those crazy kids. We got the cornhole. We got the barrels. How old is she? She's 25. Oof. No. That's... Guys, I really hope my cousin doesn't listen to this. I don't think she does. I can edit it out.

Leave it. I want to know if she listens. I think people shouldn't get married until they're like 35 at the earliest. I think people shouldn't get married until they've already been married once before and infected up. Yeah. You have to do it one time and everyone's like, we know this isn't serious, but we're just going to do that one, and then you get divorced,

and you try again. I've dated guys who I'm like, you would be a great second husband. I'm definitely going to refer to my husband as my first husband, so that people know. Introduce him. This is Gary, my first and fairest husband. It's like, oh, are you guys, no, we just got married. I want to keep

him on his toes. We're very in love. We're truly in love. One of my favorite lines from Jurassic Park, which I know this is not the movie we're talking about, but Dr. Ian Malcolm, a.k.a. Jeff Goldblum, says, yeah, I'm always on the lookout for a future ex-Mrs. Malcolm, knowing that he's going to follow someone, get married, and get divorced. And he's just realistic

with his expectations. Yeah, it's like that song, I'm only gonna break, break, break, break, break your heart. I did it wrong. There's a lot of songs where rappers are like warning women that they're gonna break their hearts, and I love that. Because it's like, you're honest, you're real. Right, and then you can just present the receipts in the form of a top 40 sec.

I told you so. Yeah. I love rom-coms. I love love. I love rom-coms because it's like I'm not supposed to like vapid dumb things. And I'm leaning in hard. Yeah. I'm just like this.

I love The Bachelor. I love Jane the Virgin. Wait. We've got to talk about Jane the Virgin. Jane the Virgin is my favorite show in the world. I've seen it all the way through twice. It's so good. It's amazing.

Have you seen Catastrophe? Another good rom-com. No. I've only seen the first season, but I do like that show. Excellent rom-com show. Or Amazon original. Jane the Virgin is the best show on television. Why don't more people talk about it?

I don't know. It's so well written. It's very self-aware. I love it. Gina Rodriguez shines every week. Every week. Team Michael? Yeah. Whoa, whoa whoa controversy whoa um are there any other thoughts that people have on the movie runaway bride i will

say that there are a lot of good speaking roles for women for different kinds of characters that are like not the same role or not just putting them in the same like shrill woman best friend like it was a little weird and different yeah they are all white it is a very white movie incredibly right as many movies are there is a i think a a reporter who is like at the the fine or the wedding that they attempt and then she runs away from with richard gear um there's a woman of color who's a reporter who's asking questions but other than that and everyone's pretty white the older women we see as horny grandma oh yeah yeah so we do see some representation of yeah older women so that's horny grandma uh so check um it does pass the bechdel test, for sure. So that's good.

There's a scene where it passes pretty early on whenever Joan Cusack and the other lady friend, whose name I forget. The cousin, unmarried cousin? No. Oh, there is a... Betty Trout, either. There's one with a poof hair thing. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. She's an older woman, too.

Yeah. She says, I'm going to go focus on your eggs, Bob, I know exactly what you're talking about. She's an older woman, too. Yeah. She says, I'm going to go focus on your eggs, Bob, while she's working at the diner. Good eggs joke. They come in and ask Maggie

if she's seen the column that Richard Gere has printed in USA Today. And she's like, yeah, what a funny joke, you guys. And she's like, you told us not to do

any bachelorette jokes because is that a thing? Hee hee. I guess so. So there's that conversation. Happens again in the hair salon. Again, curl up and die, which is what I wanted to do when I watched this movie. Triggered.

Triggered. Triggered. They are talking about a chair for a while. They're talking about a dog. They talk about all kinds of talking about a chair for a while. They're talking about a dog. They talk about all kinds of stuff. It's not a man. They're fun friends. Yeah.

Guys, as you were saying that, I was thinking about how I don't think Shrek passes the Bechdel test, and now I'm freaking out. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. So now... Well, yeah, because there's Fiona, and are there other... There's no other speaking parts for women, other than give him the chair when the woman

yells that when he's beating someone up. Yeah, Shrek, man. It's problematic. It's problematic. It came out before 9-11. It was a simpler time. It was a simpler time. It did. It came out like two months before 9-11. Can I tell you my favorite

fun fact about a movie ever? And I was also about to say one of my favorite movies does not pass the Bechdel test. Master of Disguise. Fun fact about the Master of Disguise. You know that scene, that famous scene from the Master of Disguise, the turtle, turtle scene? Turtle, turtle. You know that I have not seen that movie. Everyone's seen this scene.

Have you seen the turtle, turtle? No, I haven't. Are you kidding me? Aristotle? Aristotle's seen it. Oh, shout out to Aristotle. It's Dana Carvey's only movie that he's the star of. It's the last movie he's the star of.

It's not a great movie, but I wrote a bunch of essays about it a couple years ago. And I listened to the commentary track, and this iconic, very bad scene in this very bad movie was filmed on September 11, 2001. Wow. They kept going after that. They said that in the commentary track. They were just like, because it was Dana Carvey and the director, they were just like, oh.

Like when the turtle scene started, they were like, oh. I was like, why? This is a great scene. And they were like, oh, yeah, this was on September 11, 2001, and we had to stop filming for a couple minutes and just sort of have a moment of silence.

But, you know, we had to finish the scene. I was like, man, the show must go on. The show truly went on. The show truly did go on. Oh, I just wanted to say a few of my other favorite lines of dialogue from the movie. One of them is when Richardard year shows up to the baseball game that uh people are playing and maggie goes there he is again snoop doggie dog that is a good that is a good quote fun 99 quote i don't know what it means i'm still thinking about

it he's like snooping around but that's like not a response to snooping. That stuck with me too. Titanic makes a Snoop Dogg reference too. They name one of their deep sea cameras after Snoop. Oh yeah. I was like, what? How does Jack and Rose know about Snoop Dogg? We came from the past to warn you.

There's a passenger from the future on this boat. What does Snoop Dogg wear on the Titanic? And he's so talented. I would actually watch the Titanic if Snoop Dogg had been on it. I will not watch that film. Snoop Dogg has been a prevalent cultural force for decades. That's all I'm saying.

My other favorite line is when Maggie goes, You wouldn't know real love if it jumped up and bit you in the armpit. Armpit! I love that they were like, instead of ass, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? Can't say dick. How about armpit? We can't say dick. How about one-eyed snake?

I liked that. That seemed like one of those things of like, let's just change the dialogue so TBS doesn't need to change it later. Right. Gotta love TBS. I love tbs movie edits they're so good it should be everybody and i came here to party are we ready to to rate let's do it all right um so we rate on a five nipple scale of how you feel the movie treats its women characters. And we usually describe the nipples. Do you want to go first? Sure.

I would give it, I'm going to say I would give it two and a half nipples. I'm going to give it both of Joan Cusack's nipples and a half a horny grandma nipple nice yeah I'd say I want to give it like two nipples um it does bother me that like such a huge emphasis is placed on marriage and pair bonding and that's like what you're supposed to be doing if you're a young woman and you gotta find the man to be with. Some things happen that I don't mind and I think are okay. Largely, I just think this is such a sloppily, poorly written movie that I

can't, I don't like any of the characters. So, with that said, two nipples, they belong to the drunk dad. Oh, sad, leaky, alcoholic nipples. Do alcoholics have nipples that leak?

Like, that leak booze out of them? And they can suckle on them if they run? Yep. I don't mean to be making light of alcoholism. I know it's a serious problem and disease. How about you? I'm going to go with, I would go with three. The only thing that I really have an issue with is that, like you said, everyone is white.

So that might be a two and a half. But I was going to go with three nipples. There's a lot of speaking roles for women. There's a lot of friendship for women. There's more than most movies they let women actually talk even if they are annoying women um which women are annoying that's real um not all i'm just saying there's some women who are annoying women are annoying women are sluts all across the board look i think i'm an annoying slut if someone called me that this is the best accurate yes you know me you get me when we're and now you

get to marry me yeah no but i think there were some accurate portrayals of parts of womanhood in that movie. So I'm going to give it three, and all three nipples are coming from Porthole the dog. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got plenty to go around. Fertile as hell. Yeah. He's got up to six.

Oh, well, Runway Bride, Caitlin hated it. Sophia and I liked it. Ultimately, a weird movie that people probably don't watch that much. Yeah, but you could. You should if you want to, you know, waste two hours. Okay, relax. Okay, relax. Anyway, Sophia, thanks for being here.

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