The Bechdel Cast - Single White Female with Ben Rodgers

Episode Date: March 2, 2017

Jamie Loftus and her new roommate Caitlin Durante invite a guest, Ben Rodgers, over to chat about Single White Female. It was fun at first, but Jamie's hamster is missing and Caitlin has been acting kind of weird...(This episode contains spoilers)Follow @Ben_Rodgers on Twitter! While you're there, you should also follow @BechdelCast, @caitlindurante and @hamburgerphone   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to The Legend of Swordquest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women in them. Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy's effin' vast, start changing it with the Bechdel cast Hi, welcome to the Bechdel cast. My name's Jamie Loftus. My name's Caitlin Durante. And this is the Bechdel cast, which you're listening to. My name's Jamie Loftus. Oh god, we've already ruined it! No, this is, that was, that, no, that was my bit.

So far so good. Oh. oh god damn it it's okay sorry well we're back caitlin just read her first alice in bechtel but oh i didn't i'm sorry i didn't finish it i started it okay well just right at the top we're not qualified to be doing this no oh but you know we haven't mentioned in a couple weeks is our college degrees. Yeah, I have one college degree. I have two college degrees. Okay, good. Now that everyone knows, both of them are in film.

So that's why we're qualified. I'm not going to say what mine is in. Okay. Mine could be in anything. We don't know. We don't. I'm a woman in STEM, JK. That's becoming a recurring. That's a motif of ours now too women in stem

yeah well because any movie would become more welcoming to women if there were a character that was a woman in stem sure that's a foolproof movie theory to uh get get a five nipples from us well women in stem were there steampunk culture was not. And that's really all it takes to get me on board. So we're a podcast. We talk about the roles of women in movies. Yeah, usually they're not portrayed very well. And we're here to call it out. It's funny. It used to take us so long to say the premise, but now it's just like... Our podcast is still in its infancy. You know, we're still learning. We're getting better. Okay. Anyway, should we introduce our guest?

Yeah, okay. He has a show that he does at UCB called Shitty Jobs, and he was a writer for the show Workaholics on Comedy Central. Ben Rogers. Hi, guys. Hi, Ben. Now, because you are a straight white man, you are bound. We have strapped you to the chair, and you're only allowed to speak when spoken to. That's just one of the rules.

Right. Of our podcast. Yeah. I can't believe I signed up for it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we did send you the long, the long list of rules. I'll admit I just skimmed it over.

Right. And now here I am strapped. Typical man. Typical man. Well, we pepper spray you if you interject. And that's my only rule. I just want pepper spray someone. That's on my bucket list. Oh, really? Along you if you interject. And that's my only rule. I just want to pepper spray someone. That's on my bucket list.

Oh, really? Along with flipping the table. Do you have pepper spray that you carry around? No. I mean, I'm really biting my tongue because you guys could have done a much better job taping me to this chair. Okay. I don't want to mansplain it. Maybe stop squirming so much.

The audio is going to pick up and Aristotle is going to have a hell of a time because he's tied to his chair as well. That's right. This is hard. This is a hard chair to purchase. Maybe we should not have men a part of this anymore. We're just making more work for ourselves. But it's like cardio for us to take because we're struggling. Yeah.

I mean, it's like because you put up quite a struggle and we were able to, you know, flex our various, what are you, name an arm muscle. Delts. Nope. Biceps. Biceps. That's a good one. We're going to be, what are your delts? Your delts?

I don't know. Your deltoids? No. Your deltoids? What's the? Deltoids are back, I think, back muscles. Here's something that I don't know what the name is. You got your tris.

Your tris, your bis. Tris, bis, shoulders. There's three parts of the shoulder. I'm having a panic attack. Let's talk creatine. For real, what's the name of the muscle? The little... It's underneath your knee.

And it's a little... I want to say it's a ligament, maybe. ACL? Your ACL? Your American Civil Liberty? and it's a little it's maybe i want to say it's a ligament maybe anyways mine hurt i don't know your american civil liberty okay yes yeah mine hurt oh i'm sorry i was just making a statement yeah a political statement okay so we're talking about well wait can i say the movie we're talking about we should let ben say it uh it's but i want to say it it's a A Dog's Purpose. There it is. Okay. Have I not suggested A Dog's Purpose? What, that we, like, watch it? Yes.

I don't know. I don't remember. Okay, maybe it was in the movie. That would be fun to break down the roles of the female dogs in the movie. Yeah. Where do bitches stand in the movie? Well, it's crazy because we're going to let Ben say it, but it's actually going to describe both of us. Us.

Yeah. Wild. Take it away. Yeah, do it. actually going to describe both of us. Us. Yeah. Wild. Take it away. Yeah, do it. So my pick was single white female. For some reason, I was thinking about how I'll never fulfill a childhood fantasy of living in a building with an old-fashioned elevator. It's just not going to happen.

Yeah. I want to live in either a cool airstream on the ocean or a building with an old-fashioned elevator. And I'm starting to come to terms that both those things aren't going to happen. And I remembered that I was trying to think of some good old-fashioned elevator movies. So that was your criteria for this? It was big in the 90s. And then you happened to email me and I was like, oh, this would be good for this. Perfect excuse, yeah.

Good for this podcast. This movie came out the same week I was born. Wow. Wild. Wow. I know. I wish that my mom was at a screening of it when I was born. She would have named you Hedy.

She would have named me Hedy. But I was a C-section. Did I ever tell you I was born twice? What? No. I'll tell you another was born twice? What? No. I'll tell you another time. That's insane. You were born twice.

So like they C-section and then put you back in and then you came out? A vaginal birth? No, this is true. Okay, so my mom had to have this like experimental womb steroid put in her to have me. And so she had to fly down to North Carolina from Boston like two months before I was actually born. And they like took me out and checked and they're like, the experiment's working.

And they put me back in. That's why you have these huge biceps. That's why I'm very strong. You have huge biceps. I'm spiritually strong, but I'm also extremely buff. That is insane. I've never heard anything like that. And then, oh, here's the best part. The doctor who invented those womb steroids

later gave the first successful penis transplant. Oh, here's the best part. The doctor who invented those womb steroids later gave the first successful penis transplant. Oh, wow. I would like to credit myself. Yeah, you were part of the first. As the inspiration. Yeah, you were part of that. He saw this fat little baby. He's like, you know what I should do next?

On to the next conquest. I saved this baby. Now I'm going to save a penis. Now I'm going to save this guy. Under what circumstances would you need a penis transplant? Like if yours got chopped off? I kind of remember that story. It was like his, I think his dick burned off. Oh my God. It was like some

tragic accident. Okay, I'll look it up. But my dad texted me that. I'm totally wrong. Just some weird story I made up. He's actually a cancer survivor. Oh, that is it. Yeah, that is it. His penis wasn't burned a cancer survivor oh that is it yeah that is it his penis wasn't burned yeah that is it i i created a horror story of like a guy all fucking burned up

here's a great please save my dick first american to have penis transplant says it's starting to take shape oh i love it my dad texted me that article when that like happened early last year. And he was like, did you know this was the guy? This guy's the reason you're alive. I was like, whoa. Was he like an OBGYN? And then he was like, I'm going to switch to other genitals. I don't know.

I mean, he was a surgeon of some. I hope that's the case. Yeah. Because that's really. Yeah. What if I was too fat a baby? Oh, see, I saw it as like, you know, we're all the same. Oh, that too?

Right, that kind of fits in with the podcast. See, that's nice. I was going to say maybe I was just a big, the womb steroids worked a little too well, one might argue. I was an 11-pound baby. Wow. I know. That's insane. Wow.

That's too big. Is it because you were so, you're tall. Is it because you were like a long, just a long baby? Well, are you tall because of the steroids? Excellent question. I don't know. Because you're intimidating. You're here, you're pounding Mike's Harder lemonade.

That's true. And I do that almost every week. Yeah. Except the time we both... Well, no, you... Last week I drank some Hennessy. Yeah, you had me beat real good. You were not chugging, but like swigging. Yeah.

I didn't realize I was walking into essentially a drinking contest. This is a speakeasy, essentially. It's a speakeasy above a comic book shop. Two wasted, soft-spoken ladies. Single white females. Single white females. Thank you. Slowly poisoning themselves.

Ooh, that was a good transition. That was a good, that white females. Thank you. Slowly poisoning themselves. Oh, that was a good transition. That was a good. That was great. Thank you. So single white female. What did you guys think? Well, first we talk about. Caitlin summarizes the movie.

Slimmer down, Ben. I'm curious because I was watching the whole time I was watching. I was like, they're going to fucking hate this. No, no. I went into it thinking I probably would. But I actually I would go so far as to say I liked it. I went into this movie with no context at all. I'd never heard of it.

And then, so I just turned it on without reading anything in advance. And I liked it. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, it was nice. It's a rare experience you don't have to get often. You can tell, like you can, we were saying before you got here that it's hard to tell what genre the movie is at first. And that was fun. Yeah.

I don't know. I enjoyed it. This is the first time in Bechdel cast history where neither of us had seen the movie prior to the episode. Usually Jamie hasn't seen the movie. And one time I didn't even watch the movie. Whoops. Oh, wow. Sorry, The Matrix.

Listen at The Matrix episode if you want to hear me really. Did you admit? Not until very recently. Oh, wow. I did an okay job. Yeah, I would have never known. Luckily, our guest was very talkative. And then he and I were just talking most of the time.

Oh, trust me. And then I, it was mostly you guys. Yeah. I was just here sweating. More than usual. Well, anyway, Single White Female, just watched it a couple days ago. I don't think I'd even heard of days ago. I don't think I'd even heard of it either. I don't think so. I think when you emailed us, that was the first

time I'd ever heard of it. And I was like, oh, this sounds like a familiar thing. I weirdly reference it a lot. Really? Yeah. Do people know what you're talking about? Now I'm realizing probably not. They're probably just like, why does this guy keep saying single white female? I often describe people's friendship as single white female. See, I feel like people could think you were saying a number of things when you say that. Yeah. Just like announcing what you're looking for. Any single white females around here?

Yeah, I'm sure. You could just sound like a pervert. One of the many things I do to sound like a pervert. Oh, that's nice. It's based on a book called SWF Seeks Same. Which I'm glad the movie had the sense to take that part out of it

because it would be pretty racist otherwise. A single white female to also seek another single white female. It's just such, it's such a terrible title for even whoever wrote,

like the guy who wrote the book. Yeah. Somebody should have told him single white female is a far superior title. Yeah. I don't even know if Single White Female is a good title either. Better than Alternative.

Better than SWFC Same. Yeah, true. So wait, you haven't done a summary in a while. Oh, yeah. Single White Female is about a young woman who is living in New York City. And I didn't write one down for this one. So I'm just, this is all memory, baby. Oh, I like it. Yeah, freestyle.

Okay, so she's living in New York. She has a boyfriend. She finds out that he has cheated on her that day. No, no. She's like, get out of here, man. Aw. So she puts out an ad for a roommate. A few people come by.

Not all of them are great. One of them seems okay. One of them seems okay. One of them seems like she's going to pick her before the actual one shows up. Yeah, that was a cool moment. That was weird. The main character, Allie, ends up picking this woman named Hedy to be her roommate. And then Hedy shows some problem areas. Does she?

She does. Like weird things start to happen she starts dressing like her she kind of like gets a dog without letting anyone know she presumably throws the dog off a balcony presumably she definitely does we don't know we don't see it on screen we didn't see it but she probably definitely did that. Did she? You don't. No, I'm kidding.

I'm not going to die on this hill. She did. And then meanwhile, she gets back with her. Allie gets back with her boyfriend and then they get engaged. That makes Hedy even more crazy. And then there's some violence and there's some. This is not a good recap. I should have prepped it. She's just trying to have it all. You hit the major points, I feel like.

She's just trying to have it all. But you can't. And we learned this again. And you know, we learned that and I thought this when I was watching it today and I was like, say that later, Jamie. You saved that for the cast. I thought to myself, the

only thing that single white females have to fear is single white females themselves. Wow. I know. Profound. That's not adapted from anything. It's just something I thought. Alright, I'm going to fact check that later. I feel like maybe you stole it.

I would never steal. That's the thing. Anyway, so the movie, that's the story. Basically, this roommate who moves in with Allie is a crazy person. Although, let's not necessarily use that as a label. Yeah, it's a little insensitive. I didn't expect that kind of tone on this podcast. I know.

Especially where the story goes. I mean, it really makes you feel for her. She's got borderline personality disorder. She is dealing with a childhood trauma where she maybe also drowned her sister. Maybe it was an accident. Who knows? This is like how we met. Kind of.

When you started to try to drown Michael. And you threw my hamster off a balcony. This is like how we met. Kind of. When you started fighting on my clothes. And you threw my hamster off a balcony. But we ended up being great friends. It ended a little different. And you killed the other baby in that womb during the second birth, right? I ate the baby, yeah. I thought, I assumed that that was how, I was so ready for her to say, like, but I absorbed the twin. But, you know.

No, yeah, she drowned her. They opened on, like, a weird shot of the two girls which was pretty cool yeah they're putting makeup on yeah so wait when did you see this movie for the first time then uh in the mid 90s at some point it was a frequent cable movie i feel like um this is the era of the erotic thriller so this this is like it came out the same year as Basic Instinct. And it was and there's a lot of nudity in the movie. Yes. Surprisingly, that which I didn't remember, which definitely would factor into like me as a kid wanting to watch this.

And like all the like soft core movies of the era, which this is a great 90s timepiece. Like there's a lot of really funny moments, but it definitely is the kind of movie that I think this is the erotic thriller at its peak. Before there was internet porn, before everybody could see like hardcore pornography everywhere, people would go to the movies. Basically, HBO ate it up. I feel like what you would see now in Game of Thrones, people would go to see Sliver or Single White Female. This is one that I feel like doesn't get talked about as much but is part of that era.

Right. Lots of sex and silhouette. Yeah. A lot. Lots of where you can just make out sweaty backs. Right. And you're just like, oh. And a trope that you often point out, Jamie, is in specifically horror thriller movies,

girls in tank tops where you can see their hard nips. Oh my God. So much of that in this movie. Wet girls in tank tops that are scared. It happens so much. It's basically every scene in this movie. Oh, I noticed. Yeah, this movie is made to titillate.

Yeah, lots of hard nips. A lot of hard nips. Lots of hard nips. You do get to see it. And everybody looks at each other like they want to fuck throughout the movie.

At all times. All characters. Even some of the, like, did you guys notice in that scene where Hedy goes to cash her check, I think? Yes.

And the girl's kind of flirting with her at the check's cash. There's, like, weird sexual tension between them. And I'm like, wow, everyone wants to fuck in this movie. Yeah.

1992 is very horny. I get it. I listen. I was born. Right. I'm kidding. I think I'm pretty sure it was like a test tube. But anyways, I was talking to my mom about this movie on the phone last night because

I was telling her I had to watch it. And she was like, oh, who's in that movie? And I was like, oh, it's Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Leigh and my mom said what she always says about women that she does not think are very attractive and she said oh yeah like Jennifer Jason Leigh it has like a very earthy beauty oh this is what my mom says when like a real mom dig. Like, yeah, when a woman is like bathed and like relatively symmetrical, but my mom still finds her unfuckable. Earthy beauty.

Yeah. That's a good way to put it without like hurting someone's feelings too bad. I think she's great in the movie. I think both actresses are really good. And it's good casting. I think she does pull off i mean it's also because i'm sure if she walked into like this room right now we would all be like oh wow and she's what 20 years older we would all be like she's so beautiful but they do a really good job of and i guess this like wardrobe and like the makeup department of making her look more frumpy and awkward.

And they look exactly alike. And they're able to flip that towards the end where it's like, oh, wow, she looks great. Although it was a very fun 90s trope that it's like, oh, yeah, this is the haircut you want to replicate. Terrible haircut. I want to look like I'm wearing a bicycle helmet at all times.

Bridget Fonda is beautiful. You'd never know. She's got this weird clown haircut. One of my notes was that for a movie where the characters are working in fashion adjacent, there are an awful lot of

bowl cuts can we talk about her job on earrings yeah we talk about her career of like it's fashion stuff fashion we do fashiony computer thing the computer aspect of the movie is great like because she puts her like i guess it's a one ad in the newspaper but she does it through email uh which is like to show us that she's a tech savvy person yeah and this is like one email like no one knew what the fuck it was and like so she has this computer business that has something to do with fashion they they're very loosey-goosey about it. I think you can design fashion on the computer. Yeah, I don't know. There's so many questions I had about her job that eventually, I mean, I guess the movie did what it was supposed to.

Eventually, I just let go of those questions. I was like, you know what? She owns her own business. I did like that about her. You're right. I was like, at first, you're like, what the fuck is this? And you're kind of distracted at the way technology has advanced and like, oh yeah. But after, you know, in the third act, you don't care. I would love to ask someone in 1992, does this make sense to you as something you would find potentially useful?

I mean, the software is so dated that, like, who knows what it was. I mean, we still do it in movies. And it's like computers do whatever you need the story to do. Exactly. And there's magic. Enhance. Oh, this person has a supercomputer. Yeah.

I love it when there's, like, a photo that's not high resolution. Oh, the 24 thing. And then, like, it's still, like, crystal clear. And they're like, oh, it's that person oh mystery solved but um i do like that her job she has her own business and she uh is i guess a software developer question mark we hard to say and they either way she has an email account that we know she used to have a partner and they had a rough split there's a couple small things that they have to put in there that i feel like are going overboard to protect like why she's so stuck with this new roommate uh the first scene where she's uh with um her

boyfriend um i can't remember his name sam sam yeah who, yeah. Stephen Webber plays him from Wings. He's let off the hook repeatedly. The movie lets him off the hook again and again. But anyways. She says that she doesn't have any friends except him, and that's the only friend that she needs. And then even when she's at this job interview she's talking about how she and her partner have like a bad split up yeah and so she needs all these new

clients and she has a bad reputation i guess but i feel like they went out of their way to like she could also have friends and still have a fucking crazy roommate right yeah i assumed at first and i don't know if this is what we were supposed to do or like where my mind just went immediately that her like the the friend breakup that she had would be relevant at some point like i assumed the two little girls at the beginning of the movie i'm like oh maybe that's bridget fonda and her her twin friend who looks exactly like i don't know i was well because you find out that the twin was actually alive past birth so late in the movie it like contextualizing that scene takes a long time i just thought of

another weird like i guess a homoerotic scene where or like just sexual tension between two women is when that they do a montage of different girls coming to potential roommates. And one is like a hilariously butch, like lesbian that's like talking about fixing stuff up. Yeah. And she's like, no, no, no. Yeah. And she's wearing like a biker jacket and has a bandana on. And then the next person.

So they they like kind of I felt like overcompensated with like, hey, this is a lesbian. And then the next person like looks her up and down. And it's like a very hot, horny lady. I was like back to back. Like, that's so weird. And then like a feminist caricature comes in. I'm an incest survivor. I don't remember it, but I'm pretty sure I was.

My therapist says I'm a survivor of something. And then she's like, I don't cook. Cooking is oppressive. I was like, I heard of moving. That montage was great. And they're all like, they give this super hot girl no lines. She just looks her up and down like, you want to fuck right now? It's so weird.

It is. Really? Like, in what world? I don't know. It was crazy. So all that leads to the girl from Heather's who's, like, the one normal girl. And then she's, like, about to call. And then I think Sam calls her.

She sees a photo of him on her fridge. Right. Yes. That's what. And then. And then Hedy walks in and she's crying. And then they, like, fix the sink together and get all wet and like show their nipples off. They get all wet.

They get all wet and then they're giggling and then there's a little hug. That's how you become roommates with someone. I get it. You guys want to, you know, tweak each other. I was honestly surprised that they did not make out in this movie. I was fully expecting them. They kiss towards the end when she's tied to the chair. As you are right now.

As I am right now. That's why I'm thinking of it. Right. She distracts her by kissing her for a second. Right. But it's not like a make out. I was expecting like the full black swan. Oh, yeah.

Not quite that intense. But yeah, she like kisses her. It's actually a very clever diversion. It's a clever move by her. Can, she like kisses her. It's actually a very clever diversion. It's a clever ruse by her. Can we talk about Sam for a second? Sure. Because, you know, he cheats on her with his ex-wife. But from there on out is made out to be a pretty sympathetic character where, you know, at first Allie is like, no, I don't want to talk to you.

I don't want to take you back. I have a roommate now, blah, blah, blah. And then like it turns out like, oh, he wrote you a letter to apologize. Yeah, her getting back with him is very abrupt. It's very strange. Which I think is more a problem with just kind of sloppy storytelling than anything, but it happens very abruptly. What I do like about that, though, is that you see that she's engaged

because you see her diamond ring, but you do not see that scene play out on screen well i think they were engaged at the start of the movie because uh that's part of the reason why he was talking to his so sam cheated on his act with his ex-wife yeah and they were i think like he was telling her that she's going to get engaged and then they slept together and so so that threw Allie off. So it's like, yeah, but like, don't get that together with that guy. Allie. Yeah. Come on.

Yeah. So they were already engaged. Okay. They were already engaged. Classic story. Somebody cheats. She takes him back. I mean, hey, some people do that.

Hey, he gets his. He does get his. He gets stabbed in the eye with a high heel shoe. I feel like that is really unexpected. Would that have killed him? Would that have killed him? Maybe if it had penetrated his brain. That goes deep enough in there.

Really? I was really surprised that he... I feel like it takes a little more force than that. I was surprised that he died immediately, but then somehow the gay best friend didn't die? That was, like, I mean, the injuries, who knows? A bit confusing. But I thought for sure the gay best friend is dead. Maybe the fiancé will come back to life, but it was the opposite.

You know who survives is the cat. The cat keeps Graham company and that bath tub. That was so nice. And it was very honorable of that cat. That's, like, you know, I expected the cat to start eating him. I think that the cat waits a couple days. Isn't that the rule? It's like something like four days for a cat and like six days for a dog.

It's like when you go on a date with someone, you have to wait three days to text them back. It's the same with cat. You got to wait three days to text them back. That's the rule now? I don't know. That's so mean now? What? I don't know. That's so mean. I mean, I don't... I would be like, I thought we weren't dating anymore. I thought we... I thought you were blowing me off. You're ghosting

me. If someone, yeah, if someone took three days, I would fully assume, I'm like, well, this didn't go as well as I thought it did. Yeah, it's an old rule. I never subscribed to it at all, so... I thought it was like two days it's an old rule. I never subscribed to it at all. I thought it was like two days to call somebody or like text them after you first get their like info. Maybe.

Oh, maybe like the initial one. Like the initial, like give me your number. You like wait a day. That makes sense. That one, that makes sense. But like once you hang out with someone, if you have fun with them. Why wait? Text them the next day. I mean, that's sense. But once you hang out with someone, if you have fun with them, I don't know. Why wait? Text them the next day.

I mean, that's the advantage of texting. We're on the brink of nuclear war. Hey. Let's speed things up. No time to waste. See this? Okay. We're taking a serious detour, but I want to get your opinion on this since we're on

the subject. Oh, no. I feel like I usually, if I'm asking somebody for their number or something, I will text them. I'm not going to call them. Now, if you're going to break up with that person and you've never talked on the phone, do you then call on the phone or do you text? No. You meet them face to face. No.

But what if you're not even at that point? Oh, if you're not at that point. Okay. Yeah. that point oh if you're not at that point yeah okay yeah if it if the relationship never okay if the relationship never went past texting don't suddenly call because then you know something's wrong you're like wait we don't shouldn't you know something is wrong no just they'll know when they read the text i say this because i very recently did it i was like well we only text each other so i'm just gonna text him and then he'll know. And that is how it went.

I'm saying like you're at the stage of like still kind of feeling each other out of like – and the person is like, hey, you want to do something? And then you have to be like, no. Oh, so if you're still in that stage, yeah. But I've definitely like heard some people have blowback to that of like you're doing this over text. Oh, see, I would rather they do it over text. Yeah. to that if like you're doing this over text oh see i would rather they do it over i don't yeah i would rather someone like if if it's a real like an actual relationship that's different and you know break up with me to my face so you can watch me cry yeah that's what i was talking because

that's what i need you to see but if it's just like a flirtation it's like if you don't want to hang out again don't tell me with your voice. Ugh, that sounds horrible. Yeah. Yeah. Recovering from breakups is hard, and it's a big part of single white female. It's true. She's devastated. To the point where she cries in like three different scenes.

She cries a lot. She does. She rips the sheet off her bed. She's like, no. Oh, this is how I have to cope with this. No. My bed can't have sheets. I like that. I don't want my bed smelling like this person that cheated on me.

And they just fucked on it. And now she's finding out he fucked some other woman. I do love that the reason she finds out is because of an answering machine mishap. Oh, there's a lot of good answering machine stuff. Yeah, because when Jennifer Jason Leigh rewinds it. I miss answering machines.

What I did like, I think it's one of the very first scenes, is his ex-wife calls, Allie answers, and we're used to seeing in movies if there's an ex-girlfriend or an ex-wife or something, a very bitter, petty relationship between the two. Like, oh, the ex and the new girlfriend.

And they hate each other, and they're jealous of each other. I like that Allie's just like, oh, it's your ex-wife. Why don't you talk to her? I think this movie takes a pretty sympathetic view of almost every character. Even the fucking sleazebag, like, has a heroic moment. Oh, you mean Ned Ryerson. Oh, my God, Ned's so crazy. Yeah.

And his name in this movie is Mitch Myerson. Mitch Myerson. Oh my god, that's so crazy. Yeah. And his name in this movie is Mitch Myerson. Mitch Myerson. So Stephen Toblowski of the popular podcast The Toblowski Files, right? He does that stuff. Oh, I didn't know that. Maybe it's not that popular. That was such a wild moment.

Where it's like, is the rapey guy going to end up saving the movie? That's where you you're like they can't do that they can't make this guy save the day right which they don't no it's fun plot wise that's insane that they're like you know how we're gonna get someone to figure out that she was kidnapped let's give him a redeeming moment he's fucking pissed off that she's like trying to get paid for her work. In like a 20-minute segment, not full segment, but both he and Sam shout, you fucking bitch, when someone wrongs them. Yeah, in a sexual manner both times.

In a sexual manner. Oh, I mean, granted, what Jennifer Jason Leigh did was fucking. Yeah, I want to talk about that. That I think qualifies getting called a fucking bitch. That was more justified. But I'm still just like, he shouldn't be back with Bridget Fonda anyways. She shouldn't have taken him back. But I guess that's her problem.

I mean, that's a larger conversation of whether you should take a cheater back. I don't know. I mean, some people do. We don't know. We donater back. I don't know. I mean, some people do. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. We're not here. But that's not what this podcast is about.

I wouldn't do it myself. For me, I'd say a hard no. That's a hard no. But I know people who are. See, I would be like, I don't know. I'm just like, sexuality is fluid, whatever. Oh, my God. You fuck someone else.

Grow up. Anyway, what were we talking about? I'm really. We were talking about Jennifer jason lee's insidious blowjob you were talking about how um sam's ex-wife is portrayed sympathetically but also heady at the end of the movie is portrayed she fucking kills all these people and they still kind of give her a like she's just crazy please forget we could all go crazy right so it's not so much that i was saying that his ex-wife was portrayed sympathetically it was more that ali we don't see her being like this jealous yeah she's not a woman i was like that's nice to see on screen we're not used to seeing that um yeah she's comfortable with the fact that that he has

an ex and i that went and as far as story goes, it makes it that much more devastating that she should have been fucking upset about it. That's why being chill is not helpful. If you're chill, someone's fucking someone else and you just don't know. No, I disagree. You know, I'll never knock being chill. That's why I'm always on high alert. I'm always like, wee-oo, wee-oo. I'm not putting that out in the universe.

Did you betray me? We likely. Yes. You know what? Probably. Ouch. Yeah. I'm not saying that like someone like people are always betraying you.

No, it's okay. Like I'm very betrayal person. Everyone betrays. I somehow don't give each other life notes. I somehow don't have what it takes to not be betrayed. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that everybody's a piece of shit. Everyone.

Except for me, right? Except for you. Okay. Thank you. Please tell me I'm perfect. You are perfect. And I don't even have to. Thank you so much.

You're welcome. I think you're perfect too. Oh, Jamie. Oh, all right. God. Surreal single life email moment. You are perfect and I don't even have to Thank you so much I think you're perfect too Jamie That was a Aristotle You're perfect too Ben we don't know each other We don't know I mean yeah

I'm not I'll let you guys in I'm my secret Well that's why you're bound I'm bound Waiting for everybody's nipples to get hard. So, okay, I want to talk about the scene where Hedy forcibly gives Sam a blowjob.

Classic scene. I would say this is kind of what this movie is known for. Okay, so that's like the famous... That's like the famous scene. Gotcha. Did I miss... How did she get into his hotel room? Well, she looks so much like Allie.

So she gets obsessed with Allie so much and like her dead twin that she like starts dressing like her. There's a great scene where she realized, where Allie realizes that she and Hedy both have the same clothes now. Allie basically bought all her same outfits. Then she went to a hair salon and got an identical short haircut and dyed her hair like orange, right? Yeah, she got the same terrible haircut. So then she just swoops into Sam's building

and the security guard lets her in. Oh, that's his apartment? Yeah, that's his apartment. Okay, because I assume it was a hotel. It is called Hotel Atherton, so I get it. Oh, is it a hotel? He's probably just long-term staying there because she gave him the boot. They kind of have

that... Hedy just steals a lot of keys. That's just part of her character. She's got keys to fucking everywhere. She stole the letter that Sam sends to Allie with keys in it, so I think that's how she had access to his. No, that was keys to Allie's place because he moved out.

So what I was assuming is in my head, I justified it by she just went to the doorman and walked by. Because he recognized her later, yeah. Because he called her Mrs. Jones or whatever. What confused me about that scene doorman and was like, because he recognized her later. Yeah. Cause he called her like, you know,

Mrs. Jones or whatever. What confused me about that scene is that, okay, by the time Sam figures out it's not his fiance, he's about to nut. I get that. He nuts.

He's almost there. I get it. Okay. Afterwards, he simply rolls over. Why that? The aftermath of that is really weird. She gave such an incredible blowjob.

He's all out of sorts. I need a moment. He's also jet lagged. He was just on a trip. I think you're cutting him a lot of slack there. He rolls over. I think you're cutting him slack by... He knew that it rolls over. I think you're cutting him slack by he knew that it wasn't Allie. Well, I just think it's a cool choice for him to.

I still think he would cheat on her. I do think that's true. I give the movie credit that they didn't have like it would have been lame if he came and then she popped her head up and it was not his fiance. Like I thought it was cool that like he sees her and is like, oh, no. And was not his fiance, like, I thought it was cool that like, he sees her and is like, Oh no. And then he's like, Oh,

I can't stop. I gotta come anyways. That made it so much, uh, that was problematic. So much more tension and like, and so much more conflict there of like, okay.

She kind of proves his point. Like in her crazy mentality, we're all just trying to come guys it's all good what i wasn't upset that he i wasn't upset that he came i was upset that he rolled over i was like you should kick her out like why are you so quiet feeling his chest as yeah and he's not pushing her yeah i felt the choice from either the script or the actor was just like to be, he's so in shock of like, oh no, I just fucked up so bad that he doesn't know what to do. Right. I almost interpreted it as it was like sort of sexual assault and that like he kind of resisted but like

also kind of didn't I think she could argue that it was like I think that if he had he was raped by her he was fooled into a blowjob under false pretenses he was like I know this helmet haircut

she's great she goes to that snm club and just fucking sucks dick the whole time oh yeah that was great it was like oh yeah of course she goes to this like it didn't it took me forever to figure out that was a wild scene what a fun movie it's just i i miss i miss this era of movies like they just don't make weird movies like this. And this was a commercial movie. And this is like a mainstream Columbia. I'm so surprised it's not more famous. I want to make other people watch this movie.

I really did enjoy it. I just miss. I do like when there was some element of weird sexual tension. Just like movies being a little bit more risque, which they aren't now. They're all pretty watered down. I mean, there's more risque stuff on cable, but it's just pretty tame when you go to the movies.

Something interesting about this movie to me was like that, I mean, I feel like if this movie was made now, because a very, very similar version of this movie that I did see that was very bad called The Roommate came out when I was in college and it was about a college roommate. Right. Zoe Allen. I read that that movie was criticized for copying this movie. Exactly. Yeah.

It's like basically the same movie, but way worse and but i it's weird i feel like if people made this movie right now it would be like stigmatized for like well mental health and and first of all i love mental health i realized that i had a bipolar pill lodged in my laptop when i took it out however i like you know if if that were the basic like yardstick then there wouldn't be movies like uh the one where kathy bates goes nuts or the one where glenn course goes nuts misery fatal attraction you know what else i think like kind of um male version of this movie is cable guy true like pretty similar i've never seen cable guy and it's like unfortunate but i really do enjoy all of those movies where someone just fucking goes nuts and those don't come out very much anymore i feel like for that reason right right right i don't know problematic

opinion by jamie i just do i feel like i see like i said before a single white female relationships pop up here and there of like you realize your roommates dressing exactly like you now or picking up all these qualities like you can see that amongst a bunch of friends where it starts to get a little stalkery and i find it fascinating and i do feel like this movie kind of hits something in that zone that is real yeah it's all it's all exaggerated but it's so i don't know i was put off by way less of it than i expected to be put off by but we were talking about a scene where she goes to uh she follows heady ali follows heady to an sn club, and she's very uncomfortable there. And some woman comes on to her and says something like, you want to play or something like that.

I can't remember what exactly she says. And then she sees Hedy hitting on a guy that looks just like Sam. And she's like, you look like my sister's fiance. It's just a really nice extra creepy layer that you throw on there oh it's it's and and then like people doesn't someone presume doesn't someone call hetty alley in that scene am i making that up um i think a few people are like well i thought you were like i think graham the gay the gay friend upstairs does. Graham. I loved Graham. At first, I thought...

I didn't know. At first, when Graham is overhearing Sam and Allie break up the first time at the beginning of the movie, I was like, oh, this guy is a weird person who lives upstairs. But then he turns out to be this amazing guy who, in the end of the second act, is like, by the way, I hear you fuck a lot. The fucking listening through the vents ends up being an important story point.

But it turns out she didn't know because apparently Graham either doesn't fuck a lot or goes to a second location. We don't know. Graham's a class act. He's a class act. I mean, he fucks real quietly out of respect for his neighbors.

Classy people fuck in silence. Well, he mentions at the beginning that he doesn't have a guy to fuck. So he's like, I'm single. We want a Graham spinoff movie. I know. Single gay man. Somebody write some Graham fan fiction where it's Graham and his cat. And he's talking about all the crazy people

who've been in and out of this building. Graham truly is an amazing friend. He calls his psychologist friend at 11 at night and was like, listen, there's a situation going on with my friend. I'll put her on. And then he... I mean, I'm

glad that he wasn't murdered in the end. He survives, right? He does survive. He saves her. And then he, I mean, I'm glad that he wasn't murdered. Yeah. In the end. He survives, right? Yeah, he does survive. He saves her. Does the... And I did see that the writer of the movie is gay.

And I'm curious if he... That makes a lot of sense. Is he projecting himself onto Graham a little bit? And that's why he's like sort of this very noble, heroic figure? That makes a lot of sense because I was shocked that the gay character lived until the end like what like once she entered his apartment that's why i thought that the fiance was gonna live and not graham because i feel like you know it is if you play by the basic rules of you definitely expect the sam to live i also liked because you guys were talking about whether sam would really die if he got a heel through his his eyeball Mythbusters. But I thought it was cool. I think it's a visually cool way to kill somebody,

just as a movie trope. Especially because those specific shoes... Yes, that's what I was going to say. Oh, sorry. I'm going to step on your line. No, but they show off the shoes in a really weird way where the heel looks like a knife and it has this menacing quality about it.

And so it kind of pays off when it goes through his eyeball. There's a bunch of, like, plan and payoff situations like that in this movie that I think are done pretty well. And, like, when you said that you thought that Graham was going to be, like, a creepy person, one of the reasons I like this movie and think it's pretty good is that it manipulates expectations a lot. Totally. To make you think one thing and then something yeah i like movies that that play into like you've seen a bunch of movies we're gonna play against that yeah it was good because it was like genuinely like the earliest indication that because i truly had no context for this movie and like the earliest

indication you get is the music like even before you you know that Jennifer Jason Leigh is crazy, you hear that she's crazy in the music and then you see it. But it like, I don't know, it unfolds kind of cool. The way she kind of like sneaks up on her, right? As she enters the apartment,

like doesn't knock on the door, just like comes in. Allie's crying on the floor. She gets like super close to her before she's like, hey, I'm here. That was sort of the first indicator that there was something off about her. But it takes a while after that

before you see any more alarming behavior from her. You almost get why Allie was befriending her because she's vulnerable. She needs a friend. Allie gets busted going through a friend. Allie gets busted going through her shit. Allie's the creepy one at first. Yeah, that was

great. We're like, that's great. I forgot about that. She's going through her shit. Putting on her clip-on earrings. I think I might love this movie. I have such a funny choice. Yeah, Hattie's got clip-on earrings that she's going to give you as a present.

And she was so touched. She was like, really? You want to give me your clip-ons? You're right. It pays off a lot of stuff well that it sets up earlier, which actually made me sad for the current state of a lot of movies where I feel like

things are just so much lazier now than they used to be. Like when they insert that shot of her throwing away the receipt from the pet store when she bought the dog just to have the lie of her being like, I found the dog. They were giving it away. Oh, they were giving them out. Yeah.

I forgot about that. Such a small thing for just another... She's already clearly crazy. And they did a great job of showing us that. But they literally show you the receipts. Yeah, they're really checking off every box. Back when, I don't know, they probably did focus groups for this and be like, Where'd she get the dog from? Back when they cared.

I did feel like, oh, they really give a fuck about this b movie yeah oh absolutely it's a fucking thriller that like knows what it is but like they really care about it oh we haven't talked about the uh the the weird bald guy rapes scene yet like we talk about when he comes back as the the hero almost hero of the entire movie but the scene where like you know that he's you know he's a creep you know yeah from moment one because he basically humiliates bridget fonda at the beginning which like you could argue is a business power move but he's like it was humiliating he would have never talked that way if that if she was a man exactly that conversation would have gone entirely differently.

Right. But he interpreted humiliating her as like, I probably made her pretty horny just then by really just crushing her spirit. Even that has a good sort of high and low to it of they set you up. You don't like him. But she does such a great job that he's like this is great like you're really good and so she lets him in a little bit he takes advantage of that and then is a creep but then that information from when she was like here's my my my other number so we can talk about it later of my neighbor here's my neighbor's phone yeah that ends up being important uh-huh it is crazy because

i you know you could very easily assume that once he's an asshole to her at the beginning and then the you know the second time you encounter him he's like wow you did a great job that could very easily be like and that's it for that character that was his purpose right but then when he comes back in that i i wanted to just zoom in on his face for that entire weird, lecherous scene where he is like, so, you know, like just a very creepy massage. And Bridget Fonda does a great job of seeming very upset that it's happening. And, you know, she's going to, like, beat him up. You know, it's like he's not, you know. I like how she gives this like volleyball move.

Like puts clasps her hands. Yeah. Sorry. That really illustrated it. The listeners at home know that I nearly knocked the mic over to demonstrate the move. But yeah, he immediately goes into, he rubs her down for a second and is immediately expecting a blowjob. And is like just fucking whipping his, busting his whipping his dick i want to use that line now can i at least turn around i mean very romantic and i also want to use that volleyball move at some point yeah just mash a guy in the balls the power like that yeah and he goes, you're a bitch.

But then he saves the day later. He's like, you know what? I'm actually a pretty good guy. Okay. I'm a pretty good guy. I'm a rapist, but I'm not bad. I tried to rape you, but guess what?

Well, then he has to leave. He's like kind of raping someone. He's kind of raping someone else. He's doing his same fucking back rub move later and is like his older secretary, which was another great Cassie choice. and that's even

fun because she's like he's like shut off all the computers right now and she just leans back because she like wants it because she fucking hates him too yeah oh my god that guy's story is crazy because then jennifer jasonley calls him and is you know like we have a wife his wife and yeah pretends to be ali she's like you know like you're gonna be in big trouble if you ever say anything and but then just insane to me i wonder if that happens in the book insane to me that he comes that he's like half redeemed when he's like this guy is bad just kidding he's fine just kidding he's a rap this guy is bad. Just kidding. He's fine. Just kidding. He's a rapist. But he might also save the day. But also he's dead now.

I really like how it's all real world struggles to me and all shit that I feel like everybody can empathize with. Where it's like, she's got a fucking amazing apartment that's cheap and they want to hold on to it at all costs. Yeah. And it's a huge source. There's a huge source of agony for her she doesn't want to kick her out but but she has to because it's a fucking great place and then she's like got her own business and she's got all this work stress and then it's like job stress relationship stress housing stress it's like the shit everybody deals with i feel

like yeah and that's what this movie's about. It's true. She just happened to get a crazy roommate. The other, the scene, the last time I'll mention the rapey guy, unless we have more reason to. Mitch. Mitch. I'm just going to keep calling him Ned. Mitch.

Mitch Meyerson. But the scene after that happens, I thought was very, like very like i don't know like it was very well written to me like right before um heady calls his wife and you're like oh yeah she's crazy but that scene where um ally is saying like oh it's actually my fault and like now this is going to sabotage my career because i you know rightfully volleyballed this guy in the nuts for being a rapist. But she's like, you know, and this is somehow going to ruin my business. And that felt like I was like, whoa, that's a very real moment in the movie because I like that's like that's not an atypical reaction to being, you know, like assaulted. And it's and it's also probably not an atypical reaction

to what actually would have happened yeah and so that was weird and that was sort of a moment where i was like if i was ally i would be pro heady at that moment when you know when she was saying like what you're not gonna do something about this it's clearly not your fault and it's like okay heady i'm with you and then she does something fucking crazy and then kills like killing the dog definitely was like the irredeemable thing that she does so she doesn't kill the cat so i like her what is uh kathy bates kill she kills something in misery yeah she oh no glenn close kills oh glenn close kills a rabbit i love glenn close she boils it in a pot. She's a wild child.

I love her. I love damages. We should all watch it. Fatal Attraction, I feel like, is starting to get the ball rolling of what leads to single white female. That's true, because Fatal Attraction's what,

like, 88, 89, something like that? A few years before? Yeah. So good. Yeah. The late 80s, early 90s was the time for this genre of thriller. It's very good. I want to talk about the, for like the longest time watching this movie, I was like, oh, there's so much female nudity. There's just so many nipples, so many naked lady bodies. Let's see some dick.

It's not going to happen, but it happens. We see a sliver. You see a sliver of Steven Weber's dick. Yeah. Sam, because he does whip out of bed after he gets his blowjob and he's upset. You get a little full frontal action

in there. Man, I saw his butt and I was like that's good. I like all the nudity in it because even the female nudity, it's not necessarily like sexual in a couple of scenes. It's just like it's just nips. People are naked. Nips on nips on nips. Which I think there should be more nudity in movies. Everyone should be naked all the time I mean I just think in like a realistic way because it definitely

plays into like she gets naked around her and Allie's weirded out by how often Hedy just like takes her shirt off and stuff yeah but I don't know I always think it's weird when like two characters are in bed and they're not naked like just you're an actor being naked

and I think that I'm not trying to sound like a fucking sleazebag dude but it's like it's like no it's the same thing like yeah get naked get naked you're in the picture you want to be in the movie you want to be in the picture you take your top off nobody sits in bed like that. Ice your nips. Here's an ice cube. You do the rest. My favorite is when there's a sex scene in the movie and the actress is clearly not agreed to show any nudity so

she's got her bra on while they're just banging it out. That's how you say it, right? If it were realistic, everyone would be naked except the man is for some reason wearing socks still. That process really goes. Yeah, for me, sex is as clothed as possible and zero eye contact.

Well, for sure, zero eye contact. Let's not ruin the experience by remembering who we're close to. I'm just glad that we saw some dick. That was nice. I'm going to go back. Yeah, you gotta check it out. Is it worth the peek? I almost got a computer virus watching the movie.

Okay, never mind. Yeah, I had to subscribe to a one-week free trial of S.T.A.R.S. via Amazon. Okay, I read it. I read it on iTunes. I'm the only one supporting this town. This town.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Hey, ladies. All right, these guys all worked hard on this movie that we all liked, and I'm the only one. We pulled Ben off the street. He was barking at women on the street.

Smile. Do you want to be a star let me see that smile i got some ice cubes like that walk oh god uh the other thing i want to talk about is um and i don't even know if it's worth mentioning, but a lot of the movie, it wouldn't have played out the way it had had Allie not been so nice and or naive. For sure, yeah. She's so accommodating to Hedy that it's almost infuriating. I'm like, you know that she's bought all your clothes and that she it just but that feels that felt kind of real to me too of like she's really trying to make the best out of this situation where i feel like it'd be possible

for some audience members to sort of switch to heady's side at any point by being like well ally was kind of mean to her at this moment or this moment and like but ally's so overly nice to her even at the very end where ally is like i'm still trying to forgive her and blah blah blah yeah like till the very end she's too she's absolutely too nice and forgiving literally everyone i am truly shocked that the ending is her thinking about how she's going to try to forgive the woman that almost murdered her best friend and did murder her fiance. Right. And killed her dog.

Killed her dog. Gave and killed her a dog. Killed her a dog. I'm going to kill you a dog. I'm going to kill you a dog. Hey, dog, you want to be a star? He's a fucking ice cube. I do like that.

That's just surprised me. And, I mean, they do. She has no friends. She's just surprised me. I mean, they do. She has no friends. She's trying to get over this breakup. Yeah. Also, another weird thing. She's in the fashion industry-ish. The fashion software industry.

But also in that ending segment, there's a weird reference to Graham saying, like, Sam's dead. Get over it. Basically, I've like, I spent a while mourning Sam. But Graham said I had to move on. I was like, is that really what you say to your best friend after they were murdered by the same person you were almost murdered by? Graham. Oh, God. I'm just remembering what after she thinks she killed Graham and Allie walks in on her in the shower and it's like really weird.

And then she stares at her bloody clothes and she blames it on her period. Oh, yeah. She's just like, oh, yeah. She's like, do you want tea? Even then she's like when she's trying to escape. Are you cramping? Yeah, you're cramping? Because tea can help that.

I was like, that was a sink full of blood. And she was so much blood she's like it always happens when i'm wearing you're not supposed to believe that much when you're on your period it always yeah you just wring it out into your sink until it clogs like what the fuck was that she clotted their bathroom sink yeah it was crazy no i can totally relate i'm just i'm a very nice person so i like really get it oh i thought you're saying i'm womanhood. I'm a very nice person, so I really get it. Oh, I thought you were saying I'm a very heavy bleeder. I'm a very heavy bleeder.

I bleed so much. I bleed gallons every time. I think OJ was innocent. She bled to death. She just got a really bad period that night. OJ innocent. Robert Thurston innocent. I just started watching The People vs. OJ.

I'm really enjoying it. Oh, it's good. You've got to watch the ESPN documentary. I'm going to watch that as well. I've seen it twice. Nice. I'm going to People vs. O.J. I'm really enjoying it. Oh, it's good. You've got to watch the ESPN documentary. I'm going to watch that as well. I've seen it twice. Nice. I'm going to watch it again. So, yeah, I guess it boils down to just the relationship between these two characters is so complex and interesting.

Like, we've got this nice lady who just, like, wants to be nice and accommodating. We've got this woman with a personality disorder that also makes her homicidal. What? Put them together. It's a good advertisement for mental health care. Yeah, true. Her parents do care what happens to her.

It wasn't like a parental neglect thing. Even the weirdo with the... They're sending her checks? Yeah, the cash checks. That horny cashier yeah her boss is like your dad's calling here he says he's gonna come on down to New York City if you don't get your shit together

and she's like I gotta go she's like you're an actress right you're that yeah I like it I love it oh it looks good I do she's like maybe I'm gonna go blonde

she's like oh my god then she comes oh my god i'm coming oh my god i'm coming coming on the clock very cool uh but the um i i also just like on a very basic level like the fact that even though we don't necessarily know what ali's job is she is both clearly very good at her job, owns her own business, and is a nice person. Where I feel like that is not where most movies go. If a woman's good at her job, she's usually not nice. We've all seen The Devil Wears Prada. Two weeks notice, etc.

Yeah. Yeah, that was an interesting portrayal. They made a lot of choices that I really was on board with in that respect. I really liked this movie. Yeah. Everyone watch it. Find single white female. Have we ever?

Start referencing it so I'm not alone. Yeah, because 100%, I wonder what the percentages of people don't know what it is. I've definitely said something along the lines of like, she's single white femaling you. I don't know what I would think if you said that to me. I would just be like, wow, this guy hates single white females. He hates women. Single white femaling you. Move out.

Do you have a lot of friends who've had horrible situations like that that you're having to. Dropping it constantly. Drop that reference all the time? Yeah, I've definitely been in Sam's position many a time. You can't stop banging your ex-wife. Oh, God. She's got her hooks on me. I keep going to her place to tell her I'm with somebody new, and she keeps seducing me. I love how he talks that off, though.

He's like like she was sad yeah she was drunk like it's like sam you rascal i don't like that what i do like is that slap slap slap oftentimes uh a woman who is like the other party of a cheating situation uh is the one who's like targeted to be like you're the villain you homewrecker you awful person uh but who's like targeted to be like, you're the villain, you homewrecker, you awful person. But she's like never seen on screen. We don't even mention her again. We hear her once. We hear her.

She's like, is Sam there? But I like that all of Allie's anger is targeted toward Sam. Until it's immediately not. Until it's not anymore. Until she's like, wait, he sent me a letter. He showed up unannounced. He sent me a letter he showed up unannounced and he took me a letter fucking making out and like about to fuck and then and meanwhile heady's watching in the window

and the old lady spots her yeah i forgot the old lady from like who's been an old lady in a hundred movies she started acting you know she was in 400 movies from ages like 67 to 72. She's just prolific. God, I can't wait to go on her IMDb because I'm sure it's all like old neighbor, old lady, old librarian. Where was Hedy? We saw Hedy at

work once, didn't we? She works at a bookstore? Hedy works at a bookstore, yeah. She does. Okay. Well, I feel stigmatized. Do you work at a bookstore? What do you mean? As a psychopath who's worked at a bookstore. I feel stigmatized. Yeah, I reckon if you haven't seen

this movie, you probably haven't also listened to this episode of the podcast because we spoil the entire thing. Yeah, you shouldn't have listened to this. Oh man, you made a huge mistake. I do like at the end of the movie that they they insinuate if you don't forgive the person that wronged you you will become them that is that implication that is kind of which is really a weird lesson for you know what i kind of want to see ali as a crazy person was there a sequel let's see there was a sequel that came out like 10 years ago that was like a direct-to-video type thing. Yeah.

The last thing I want to say is that we do see like there's a short beat where Graham kind of saves Allie whenever. Why couldn't he have saved Allie instead of the rapist? Well, he does. He does. I think he does. But if he had woken up like 10 minutes earlier, that whole weird situation would have been avoided. They had to draw out the tension. Yeah, they had to draw out the tension. The rapist is there to draw out the tension.

And it led to the big trailer moment that I remember of him ripping the tape off her face. And it's a close-up of Bridget Fonda. And she says, look out. She's crazy. Wait. So whenever Ned Ryerson goes to confront her, he never gets into the apartment, right? Like the neighbor or the landlord or something shoos them away or does he get in? He gets in.

He does get in. Yeah, because she has, she's, that's actually another, oh God. He finds her. She goes to the basement to get Allie's bags and she crawls into it to see if she can fit a body in there. Yes. And then, and then so she she then she brings the bag back up and and mitch of course notices that it has ally's name on it and so he barges his way in and locks

her out but i also can't imagine speaking that way to a stranger like you do know her i don't know yeah but then he he goes in and just like a series of big reactions from Mitch Myerson saying like, you know, he's like, you do know her. And he pushes in and he goes, what the fuck? And then he straddles the woman he almost raped not three days ago. Yeah, that would have been really fucked up if he was like, now I got you. Time to finish what I started. I'm a fucking pervert. I like I, man, I wasn't too upset when he got whacked.

Yeah, I don't think you're, I don't think you're supposed to be sad about it. Whacked as in, like, mobster-style killed or, like, whacked over the head? I forget what happens. I didn't get to this part. He was whacked over the head, right? He was whacked. Yeah, I feel like it's a pretty vague way that he dies. Okay.

Ooh, steampunk check. This is the first movie we've ever talked about that I don't think. That does not have, I was wondering if you would be able to shoehorn a steampunk check. This is the first movie we've ever talked about that I don't think. That does not have. I was wondering if you would be able to shoehorn a steampunk thing in here. No steampunk culture in this movie, which is probably because this movie. That's why I like it. And also I think this movie predates steampunk culture. That is true.

I was in San Francisco again this week and I saw the steampunk guy again. Oh, the accordion pants guy? The accordion pants guy with all the suede. We mentioned the steampunk on every episode. There's a guy in San Francisco who I was so mad. I went to the same, I remember the cross streets. I'm like, let me go back and see if he's still there. And fucking, of course, it's a Monday.

He's still there. Oh, sure. Grow up. I know I'm like having a very hard time arriving at a point, but I swear I did have one. I like that she ends up ultimately saving herself. There's that brief moment where Graham

kind of steps in, but then I feel like he gets hit or something. Graham gets hit a lot. So then Hedy takes her to the basement and then they have that fight down there. So I like that she doesn't have to be saved by a man she saves herself I like that she throws a rat on Hedy

because I was like no she's going to squeal at the rat and then she's going to be caught but she has the foresight to be like let me throw the rat on my enemy yeah she does wind up being unbelievably strong she does some pretty acrobatic stuff when she flips over the back and stabs her that's pretty amazing unbelievably strong. She does some pretty acrobatic stuff. She's a software developer. When she flips over the back and stands her,

that's pretty great. She's a software developer for the fashion industry. Of course she's strong. She can do anything. They set up that screwdriver for a while. Yeah, they did. Anyone else have any final thoughts? I liked this movie so much.

Thanks for introducing it to us. My pleasure. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on to talk about it. This literally never happens. The final thing we need to talk about is whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test. Duh, it does. For sure. In almost every scene. Good job, movie.

Yay! A lot of the ones we've talked about, don't even try. Most movies don't. Don't attempt it. Time for nipples. We rate the movie on a lot of the ones we've talked about don't even try time for nipples we rate the movie on a scale of 0 to 5 nipples based on it's portrayal it's like a show about women so we rate it on

nipple scale I like the odd number of nipples that's how a human body works 5 sets of nipples so 10 nipples sets of nipples? Five. So ten nipples total? Five nipples.

We've all, one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. We're just not always lactating. Mm-hmm. All right. Unless some of us are.

All right. What are the types of animals that, like, their penis will, like, withdraw into their body? Like, whales? It's like that for some people's nipples. That's also human medicine sometimes women's nipples just shrink into their body right yeah yeah i aspire to have no nipples one day it's another one of my bucket list things and go flip a table what was the other thing if you just gotta go suck your nipples right. It's really a mind over matter kind of thing. I'm going to think my nipples away. That's the name of my new self-help book.

Please, please pop your nipples out. God, I miss them. Just hold your breath and let them, and you got to go. I'm going to write a self-help book called Think Your Nipples Away. Please do. I'll buy it. Thank you. Okay.

Oh, okay. You go first in rating it. I would give this movie, because it has such an interesting representation of the relationships and a lot of tropes that we see, especially of this genre, are subverted and things like that. I would give this movie like a four. Four nipples? I'm giving it four nipples.

Wait, I have to describe the nipples. Oh, fun. That was a real half-assed fun. It's fun. No, I'm excited to describe my nipples. The two of them belong to Allie. Empowered? Yeah, very empowered nipples. Okay. The two of them belong to Allie.

Empowered? Yeah. Very empowered nipples. They're very nice. She's beautiful. Very accommodating. New York and cool. New York and cool?

Uh-huh. And then the other two belong, God, I don't, they're just, they're four nice nipples. I give up. You don't want to talk about Hattie's nipples? Is that where this is going? You don't... They're four nice nipples. I give up. You don't want to talk about Hedy's nipples? Is that where this is going? You don't like BPD nips? They're not as nice as Allie's. I mean, that's part of the story. Right.

Well, but like... Are they... Well, we see both of them. Yeah. I think we see Hedy's nipples more. Yeah. Yeah. Hedy's naked a lot in this movie.

She's naked a lot. And she's hot. She's a hot babe. I'm for it. Into it. I'm giving it four nipples. You're going to give her two nipples, four nipples? I'm giving her two nipples, four nipples. I'm going to give

it four nipples as well. Two of them belong to Hedy's dead twin. Two of them belong to Allie's computer program nipple ladies. That's great. Your turn. I'm giving two to the old neighbor.

Good representation. Yeah, at least a woman over 50. Let's give them to both women over 50. I don't know if Mitch's secretary was but she's definitely one of the older characters in the movie. It's true. I'm giving her to both women over... I don't know if Mitch's secretary was... But she's definitely, you know, one of the older characters in the movie.

It's true. I'm giving her my other two nipples. Are there any people of color in this movie? No. It's very white. It is very white. And this is not to defend a lack of representation, but we really only know five or six characters

in this entire movie. The cast is very small. Yeah, but we really only know five or six characters in this entire movie. The cast is very small. Yeah, but you can easily make Graham a person of color. It's true. And then if he lives, that would be a double victory. Yeah. We did it.

This was a fun one. Thanks. This was fun. Yeah. We can now untie you. Well, let's save the noises. It's so loud. Yeah. Thanks again for being here. Oh, thanks.

Thanks for... Do you have anything you'd like to plug? Do you have a Twitter account? Where can people find you on Twitter? Yeah, I mean, the first part of your question, no, I don't really. I don't really have anything to plug. You can go to my mostly unused social media. I'm Ben underscore Rogers on Twitter.

Follow me. I tweet like, I don't know, once a month. I'm getting off the Internet. I'm done. Wow. We're about to quit the Internet. Push Ben off into the sea on an iceberg. This was his last stand.

Yeah, this is it for me. This is a good send off. You went out on an iceberg. This was his last stand. Yeah. This is it for me. This is a good send off. You went out on a high. Yeah. I want my last words to be about single white female. I tweet too much. I tweeted too much about my hamster on Valentine's Day.

It got pointed out to me. It's okay. We had a fun night. It got pointed out to you. Someone was like, hey, we got to talk about your hamster thing. Hey had a fun night. It got pointed out to you? We gotta talk about your hamster thing. Hey, we're worried. Did you spend all night with your hamster on Valentine's Day?

Uh, no. I also watched The Jinx at my gay best friend's house. Tone it down on the hamster shit. So, uh, I would never show my hamster The Jinx. She is too young. You can follow me on Twitter at Hamburger Phone. Yeah, you can follow me at Caitlin Durante.

You can also follow the podcast at Bechtelcast. We use it. We're not like the other shows that are like, follow us on Twitter and then we don't tweet anything. We tweet stuff. We tweet a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Not like me. Not some schmuck like me.

Don't follow me. Follow these guys. Follow us. Yeah. We got hamsters and content. They'll entertain you. Me, I just want to... I'm like, try

not to write about things I'm angry about. I try not to be a 65-year-old angry grandfather. Speaking of angry grandfathers on Twitter, my dad has more Twitter followers than me yet again. What? I had him beat for a solid six months

and then he had some sort of surge and now he has 6,500 followers on Twitter. It's fucking wild. He's buying them. No, I wish I could give him that much credit. He's outsmarting you.

He broke some news about the Boston Bruins and then suddenly he's got like 1,400 more followers. Is he a journalist? How does he have so many followers? Yeah, he's a hockey reporter. So whenever something hockey happens he gets a surge. It's not fair.

Buy some followers. I'm going to buy followers and be like fuck you, Dad. Alright, well, I think this is a great note to end the podcast on. Don't follow Loftus at Ledger. Bye, everybody. Loftus at Ledger.

Unfollow and block. Fuck you, Dad. Here's my podcast about women. Unfollow and block, Mike Loftus. Okay, well, thanks again, everyone. Thanks for listening. See you later. Unfollowing block.

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