The Besties - The Besties 77: A kid-shaped pile of rats

Episode Date: November 1, 2013

It's almost here. The calamity of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One launch month can be heard in the distance; the vibrations can be felt if you stand still enough. Are you ready? Enjoy these final coupl...e Besties of the current generation. We'll see you on the other side. 2:40 - Best controller upgrade (The PS4 controller) 9:30 - Best book of the week (Device 6) 16:00 - Halftime! 20:00 - Best sail (The Wind Waker HD) 25:30 - Best improvement upon Battlefield 3's miserable single-player campaign (Battlefield 4) 34:00 - The winner is everyone! Theme song by Ian Dorsch Get the show: Download MP3" Subscribe to the podcast (RSS) Subscribe on iTunes Get the full list of games (and other stuff) discussed at www.besties.fan. Want more episodes? Join us at patreon.com/thebesties for three bonus episodes each month!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's the candy situation in New York? Do they just kill people for knocking on doors? Is that the way it works there? No, you go to stores, and then the stores will give you candy. Yeah. So, like, there's, like, things on the windows, and it says, like, we are candy approved. And you're like, cool.
Starting point is 00:00:17 And then they knock on the door, and they, like, give you candy. But then you go to, like, 7-Eleven, and it's like, don't wear masks inside. Okay, how many? So you wear a mask, and then you pull out a gun, andleven and it's like don't wear masks inside so you wear a mask and then you pull out a gun and you're like give me all your candy that was my favorite mission in Payday 2 how many times has this
Starting point is 00:00:32 situation unfolded for you Plant and Frustic somebody wearing a costume knocks on your door they say something that sounds like trick or treat and so you scoop in your candy bowl and they hold out a bag and you put the candy in the bag They say something that sounds like trick-or-treat, and so you scoop in your candy bowl, and they hold out a bag, and you put the candy in the bag,
Starting point is 00:00:50 and then as you are putting it in, you realize that it's not a child in a costume, but a bunch of rats that have stacked up on top of each other in the shape of a child. You mean on Halloween or just in general? My name is Justin McElroy, and I know the best thing of the week. My name is Griffin McElroy, and I am a pile of rats in human form. My name is Christopher Plant, and today is Halloween. My name is Russ Boushtick, and I know the best game of the week. You could actually, this is a first for me.
Starting point is 00:01:46 I could hear the self-doubt i could hear like his niggling fears about his uh his own depravity i don't know if you guys know this but we're recording uh right next to each other today and what was great is the boo was he was in it but it was a shh where you actually that was actually the sigh coming out of his throat along with the rest of his essence this is the besties where we talk about the latest and greatest in opera dance sports movies tv comic books but today we're gonna take a look at video games interesting interesting i was wondering where we were going to land this this time round this week it's video games uh who wants to start off with their uh video game product that they've been
Starting point is 00:02:30 enjoying i'll start are you guys ready it seems like you always start but go ahead does it really seem like that i just go ahead don't worry about it i don't want to no the train's moving we're in it train's moving okay so um my best thing of the week is the best controller upgrade of the week, the year, the last decade. I'm not even going... I don't think I'm exaggerating here when I say the PS4 controller is such a colossally huge improvement over the PS3 controller. It cannot be understated. It is probably my favorite controller of all time of all video games.
Starting point is 00:03:09 What? I said it. I went there. I came back again. Yeah, it's a very good controller. Have we not talked? I feel like we've brought this. I think we brought this.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I think we brought it at E3. Yeah, at E3. It's like a special thing. Oh, that's right. But we should note, I think there's a lot of people that may or may not know this, but even though we're here about two weeks out from the PlayStation 4 launch, you can actually just go to a store and buy a PS4 controller. You might be asking, why would one do that?
Starting point is 00:03:36 To connect you to a PC immediately because it's the new default PC controller. Thank you. I was sort of, that was a hypothetical question. I just wanted to make sure that you knew. Yeah, I was aware. So you can actually, thank you, Plant, connect it to a PC or even a Mac using some work. We actually just posted a video to show you how you can do these things.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And play video games using this awesome, kick-ass, my favorite controller. My level of hatred for the PS3 controller cannot be understated. Overstated? Overstated, overstated, overstated, cannot be overstated. It was fucking terrible. And, um, just every aspect of the PS4 controller makes my life just like a treat. I've played first person shooters on it. I've played platformers, fighting games, you name it.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Every step of the way, it is so much better. Um um i'm just going to name one thing that i love on the ps3 controller some crackhead had the idea that pressure sensitive face buttons were a great idea yeah someone thought oh touch the circle button a tiny little bit and you can have your character hug someone touch it slightly more than that and you can have your character hug someone, touch it slightly more than that, and you can have them murder that someone. No one's ever done that. How much Metal Gear did that? How much of that functionality was designed specifically for Lair? And then Lair came out,
Starting point is 00:04:57 and they're like, ah, fuck what we do. What we do now, Lair 2? No. Who said Lair 2? Fire him. I am so happy to be rid of the PS3 as a device that is in my life
Starting point is 00:05:10 and I just got I just got beyond two souls in the mail and like I can't get psyched I can't get psyched to play because it means I I gotta I gotta fuck to the dual shock again for
Starting point is 00:05:25 arguably the last time ever i have to uh i i i uh when i when the story went live we started talking about the controller there are a lot of people online saying that they uh they like the ps3 controller the way it is and they didn't see the point in changing. For myself, personally, I do have a console preference and it's 360 and part of that is the online multiplayer community. More of my friends are on 360. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:05:57 But the bigger thing, because I mainly play single player games, is that I like the controller so much better. I mean, that doesn't seem to be so crazy a reason to choose one system over the other. I think it's the biggest. I think other than console exclusives, and honestly, for me, the biggest thing is, yeah,
Starting point is 00:06:14 where are my friends playing video games at? But yeah, I just, I can't get excited about playing games on the DualShock 3, especially first-person games. It's just those sticks just don't they are not conducive to walking around with one and looking around with the other.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Yeah, and for a while I thought the reason the sticks were the problem was because they aren't offset. I thought that the fact that they were just right next to each other was why I was so uncomfortable. It's not. It really isn't. It's a few different things. Round tops. The round tops on the PS3 controller were awful. Your fingers
Starting point is 00:06:50 would slide off of them. And it's also the distance between the two. So when you're holding the PS4 controller now, your thumbs have a decent space between them. Whereas before, they were all on top of them. On top of each other, yeah. There was a lot of roundness to that controller that kind of sucked. I hated, I think, Resistance 3, which is a terrific game by any other standard. each other yeah there was a lot of roundness to that controller that kind of sucked i hated uh i
Starting point is 00:07:05 think resistance 3 which is a terrific game by any other standard and really any game that required you to use l2 and r2 for like the main aiming and shooting yeah those those triggers being rounded like that is just not a very pleasant tactile experience yeah and that was something i think a lot of developers realized eventually, that like, oh, we can't use L2 and R2 as primary buttons. But then when the alternative are L1 and R1, which
Starting point is 00:07:33 don't really have that satisfactory pull that triggers have. Like, I know I'm kind of saying a double standard there, and my problem with L2 and R2 wasn't the pull on them, it was that, I don't know, I always felt like I was touching them wrong. I think this controller is really great and all, but what I'm most excited about is to see how the PC community makes its own drivers for it or just modifies it because that touchpad on it,
Starting point is 00:08:02 that is what I want my Steam controller to be. Like, to have a controller that is as good as the Xbox 360 controller, but when I'm trying to use Steam Big Picture mode and something breaks, and I need a mouse around my desktop just to hit some dumb OK button, how great is it going to be to be able to just use that little touchpad on top, clicky-clicky, and then get back to my game? Well, that's what they want the Steam controller to-clicky, and then get back to my game. Well, that's what they want the Steam controller to do as well, but that's a whole other controller.
Starting point is 00:08:31 That's apples and oranges, man. That's two completely different... Apples and pears, even. It's that different. Well, I would say apples and pears actually have way more similarities than an orange and an apple would have. They both have that stem on it, and you eat it like an apple, but an orange, you have to unwrap it, and then it's, you know, juicier. Can I finish?
Starting point is 00:08:50 Sorry. An orange doesn't have a core, for one thing. And the color, of course, is quite different. It's orange, as its name implies, and apples are, for the most part, red. They can be green, though. See, when you take a green apple and a pear. Okay, I'd like to talk about my favorite thing of the week. The colors are almost the same. Go ahead, Justin. Thanks so
Starting point is 00:09:09 much. I hate to disrupt. I love to... No, yeah, I... But when things are this exciting. The thing I'd like to talk about this week is my... The best book of the week. I know what you're thinking. No, wait. It is called Device 6
Starting point is 00:09:25 Are you guys familiar with Device 6? I'm Mogo I'm familiar with Wonderbook Is this any relation to Wonderbook? This is a iPad or iPhone if you want to do iPhone I think it would be better on iPad though
Starting point is 00:09:41 Game where It is presented in the form of a book in six chapters. But the book has, first off, it has branching pathways. There are lots of elements of interactivity. So there are different pathways you can go down and get more parts of the story. Wait, I'm confused. You've already confused me because you're talking about a book.
Starting point is 00:10:10 I'm reading a book. Now, unless this book has, like, at the end of the page, do you want Dustin to jump into the cliff or get the key? I don't know what you mean by pathways. Okay, well, the thing about text in this game is you are controlling the scrolling. And a lot of these branching pathways, it will basically be, instead of swiping down to continue reading, you'll see a line extending off the text.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And if you swipe to the side, then you can actually control the path of the story that way. So the words themselves become sort of a pathway through the story. And sometimes you'll have to turn it, turn the iPad or iPhone to keep the story moving as text will
Starting point is 00:10:55 scroll in different directions, etc. What if you're a slow reader? Well, it's at your own pace, so you're the one controlling the swiping, so you're fine. What if you're a really fast reader, though? You're controlling the pace, so you're fine. What if you're a really fast reader, though? You're controlling the pace, so you can swipe it. What if you read, like, just right, like the temperature's just right? Well, you're controlling the pace, so you can just swipe. I'm illiterate, and I've been illiterate my whole life, and I don't really have any plans to, like, not be illiterate.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Get angry, birds. I don't know how to find it in the store. Look for a red bird. There is also integrates audio elements. So you'll be scrolling through a section of the story and you'll hear audio cues to that compliment what you're what you're reading. what you're reading uh but there are also interactive puzzles throughout the game that you have to solve using clues from what you've read but also things you've uh unearthed in different images and stuff like that so it's like reading comprehension tests like in the sats no i mean the the puzzles are pretty usually pretty well hidden uh in images and are the sort of things that require a lot of lateral thinking
Starting point is 00:12:08 and exploring through the book and experimentation. I currently have a notepad, four or five legal pages full of notes and scribbles and drawings and designs for different puzzles or information that didn't become relevant or did become relevant as i was playing through uh with with sydney my wife and uh she's great at the puzzles i'm not so great how do you play a reading game with another person uh she we we both read a page and then she looks at me and waits a couple minutes as i finish reading yeah she's like wicked way smarter than you are yeah like way way way way smarter but it's super the the the storytelling is really well done it's got a great uh ending um it really
Starting point is 00:13:01 is what is the ending it's a uh there's sort of a metafiction with you where your iPad actually figures into, or your iPhone, if that's the case, actually figures into the story. And it's similar thematically, I would say, to Stanley Parable, for example. But a very cool aesthetic, kind of a 60s mod feel to it. But it is really, really, really interesting and a great reminder of just when games seem like everything has been mined, you play something that like, oh, wow, there are so many different things we could be doing with interactive media. Are there people that actually think that in this day and age,
Starting point is 00:13:43 in this fucking year of all years? I know. Ideas are out, guys. We ran out of ideas. Looks like nobody's doing anything. I mean, you look at Battlefield 8. Oh, don't be that. Assassin's Creed 70, I mean.
Starting point is 00:13:56 But I will say this. Like, looking through the App Store, as someone that looks at the App Store every week. Oh, it's bad, man. It's pretty damn depressing on the whole. And these special games, these games that are on the level of like, you know, this developer definitely does a bunch of them, you know, the
Starting point is 00:14:13 super hexagons of the world, maybe come around once every two months or so, and then the rest of it is like soul-crushing garbage. What? That seems awfully conservative. No. I i mean that's pretty dead on there i i'd say that they're they're pretty few and far between this year yeah um it's it's it's really really it's a great story and it's told really really interesting and
Starting point is 00:14:40 the uh the puzzles in it are actually really smart and require you to put your thinking cap on, as they say. There was at one point I was trying to solve a puzzle by downloading an app that let me reverse speech. So I could try to find additional clues in what sounded like a reversed speech. And in reverse it said, to win the game, you must kill John Romero. Yeah, I did not see that coming. Okay, Device 6 is what it's called,
Starting point is 00:15:14 and everybody should go get it. I think it's like three bucks. Can I pin a recommendation onto the tail of that? I'm going to do one too. If you like that, you should also download Yearwalk, which is by the same studio and it's samoga right it's like perfect right now very halloween-ish yeah i i would like to also pin on there paint it back it's by uh it's by casual labs and it's picross it's just picross and you
Starting point is 00:15:36 can play it and it's picross and it's on your ipad also battlefield 4 battlefield 4 it's a new game segue what was that segue well we gotta go to halftime first we'll get we'll get there but Battlefield 4. Battlefield 4? It's a new game. It's like a shooting segue. Oh, is that a segue? Well, we got to go to halftime first. We'll get there. But first, let's go to halftime. All right. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Oh, God, no. All right, let's just go ahead and skip over halftime, and let's just go straight. Besties. Wow, I actually do feel genuine terror right now yeah me too Milton Bradley oh no Milton Bradley the spectral inventor of such
Starting point is 00:16:15 hits as Candyland? my favorite ghost bigot hello besties ah yes I have made many board games over the years showing the world as it should be with small white children everywhere all right besties how are you on this i'm not great Not great. Not good. I was good, like, before your phantasmal cameo. You're a... Sir, what games do you have for us in this Halloween season?
Starting point is 00:16:53 Well, I wanted to show one new game that I've been working on that you might find spooky. Here's the idea. Two players. This is a board game,'s the idea. Two players. This is a board game, by the way. I don't know if you're familiar with my... Yeah, Milton, I think we knew that that was your fucking inno. My milieu, my genre is board games.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Just so everyone knows, right now, something appears to have taken over Russ's body. Okay, I was gonna ask if you're in the room. Yeah. Immediately, his eyes rolled into the back of his head and he pulled out of his bag this really dusty board game with
Starting point is 00:17:32 just hate and racial slurs scrawled all over it. Well, I wouldn't say slurs per se, perhaps honest truths. Okay. Anyway, I've been worried he's by the way ross is fine he'll be ready to go in a couple weeks you're like in his body so like you can
Starting point is 00:17:53 you there's no cat scan required you're like in there well maybe you're not like doing shit in are you with me zero zero percent chance that this is staying in the show there's a negative 25 chance i'm keeping this in the show perhaps i should tell you the title of my game. I mean, you can. It's not staying in the show, but yeah, you can tell us the name of it. Unless someone interrupts me very quickly. No, no, tell us the name. Do you have another game that I can leave in the show?
Starting point is 00:19:03 When you were scripting this, did you think this would be an appropriate thing to leave in the show when you were scripting this did you think this would be an appropriate thing to leave in the show he just griffin leave this okay leave this bit in the show but just instead of his his uh game just put in like 10 seconds of static and let people try to wonder what it was that he said and let people build an obsessive cult around it. Oh, God. Okay. So, Griffin, what... I don't trust those Malaysian people.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Okay, okay. Stop it. Okay. He's gone. Griffin, what have you been playing this week? My game that I'm bringing this week, or my best that I'm bringing this week, is Best Sale, or perhaps
Starting point is 00:19:49 Most Improved Sale. And that award goes to The Legend is All the Wind Waker HD. I know it's a bit aged. It's on sale? No, it has a sale in it, like a boat. Like a boat. Common. It is an old game, because it came out in 2003.
Starting point is 00:20:08 But this is the new one that came out in September. So it's still pretty old. But yeah, I mean, you pretty much know what you're getting into. There's this weird, all of the improvements, I would say, like the best improvements of it are mechanical, because that was a very, that game did not really respect to the amount of time that the user put into it sort of like all modern zelda games uh but wind waker was especially egregious especially once
Starting point is 00:20:36 you get to some of the later stuff like the triforce quest which required you to go to these eight different points across the world to collect these eight different charts that would tell you where to dig up these eight different treasures that you had to get before that's like 64 different things it's it was miserable they it's still not great but they have sped up that process a lot they've also sped up did you beat the game already yeah oh wow i mean it came out a while ago it's been out like a month and a half it's a long game uh well the the reason i like it is because it has an off-screen mode it has a gamepad mode so i play it like while rachel and i were watching the world series or while we were watching biggest loser like i'll just crack that bad boy out and play it till the battery dies
Starting point is 00:21:21 she didn't get angry at you for that didn't she want you to spend time with her? I mean, we were spending time together. I can, you know, I can multi-play. I mean, you can try to run that scam for a while. Wait till you're married. Yeah, it does not work. That does not work. It's a great fiction. You've got to care about Survivor as much as she cares about Survivor.
Starting point is 00:21:39 First off, nobody cares more about Survivor than I do. We should have talked about this at halftime. We should have. Steven this at halftime. We should have. We should have talked about anything else at halftime. The game has changed. The game done did change. Wait till blood mixes with water. What are you going to get?
Starting point is 00:21:59 I just worry about Vetus. I'm worried about Vetus too. Guys, hold on. We got to get back to the thing I was talking about, though. I'd say the biggest thing about it is this sail. There's this new goddamn sail. It's actually kind of hard to find. Anyway, this sail
Starting point is 00:22:13 fixes two problems with the sort of boat mechanic of Wind Waker HD, or Wind Waker in general. And that is, A, your boat's super goddamn slow, and you have to use it constantly. And that is, A, you're both super goddamn slow and you have to use it constantly. And B, whenever you want to turn 90 degrees,
Starting point is 00:22:31 you have to pull out your magic baton and play a song to change the direction of the wind. It was really shitty. But that's more convenient than real sailing where you have to actually wait for the wind to change. That's a good point russ i hadn't thought about it like that but yes i guess it is it is i guess a bit faster process than just waiting no i mean there's jibs and shit right there's jibs that you have to fly
Starting point is 00:22:56 you can yeah right there's there's lots of things you can do uh in real life yeah yeah oh god i Are these sailing words? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God, I thought you knew about it. I guess you're not as moneyed as Russ and I are. That's true. Cross hitches. This new sail, it has the wind behind you constantly, no matter which direction you're facing, so you don't have to play that fucking song every 30 seconds. And it's also, like, way faster.
Starting point is 00:23:22 That seems like, I don't know, essentially it's a motorboat then, right is kind of a motorboat since majora's mask i feel like there has been uh like a desire to make these games longer than they can support i made the point in our our uh in i think actually i was still a joystick at the time but when i reviewed uh um skyward sword is a fucking terrific game that was literally like 15 hours longer than it should have been because they make you go back to all the places you've already been there's one dungeon that you literally have to run through again like a second time straight forward and there's like not that many things changed your second time around it's just like they want to make these
Starting point is 00:24:04 games as long as possible instead of the 20 or 25 hour long really great games that they should be. And there's still a bit of that. But it looks good. It's... What do you think about the art style changes? I kind of miss the old, more
Starting point is 00:24:20 cartoony art style. It's just... I mean, it is still that. Exactly. It's exactly that still. No, no, but the water, for example, used to be like this clear blue block, and it was like, you know? No, I think it looks, it's weird, because I've always cared more about the art style of a game
Starting point is 00:24:40 than the graphical fidelity of that game, and I think the art style of the original wind waker is perfect and it's still perfect they've just like slopped slop some hd sauce up on it um it's weird like yeah it looks fine but it's hard to like give the game many points in that department because the game that came out literally a decade ago still looks fantastic and there are not that many games from a decade ago that you can say that about bubsy 3d bubsy 3d is probably chief among them yes yeah well good one hey thanks let's talk about battlefield
Starting point is 00:25:15 so guys did you play battlefield 3 yes it was it was terrible. Yeah. So that single player, I think, is like the worst single player that has ever been put in a video game. It's really, really, really bad. It's criminally bad. Because what they did is they said, what is great about Battlefield? It's the open areas and all the cool freedom you can have with the vehicles. So let's put you in a really long corridor for about four hours. So what they did with Battlefield 4, I don't know if you've heard about this, they brought the human soul.
Starting point is 00:25:51 They took it out of a body somewhere in Sweden, and they injected it into video game code, and that is the Battlefield 4 campaign. What the fuck did you just say? No, there's soul. There's humanity in this game. And what that looks like is some okay single player missions where you're in a shooter,
Starting point is 00:26:12 right? And you're shooting people in the face. You shoot like a hundred people in the face. And you'll be walking down the street like it's a normal first person shooter campaign. And then you'll just see two people hugging for no reason. And they'll look at you and be like, sir, we're hugging. Help us.
Starting point is 00:26:30 And you'll be like, I want to. I want to help you. Why are they upset? Are they stuck? And they can't open the door. So then you open the door because that is a big part of what you do in Battlefield. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Let's pause for a second.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Why are they hugging? What door? Why can't they open the door? These are all great questions that go unanswered, like lost. It's a mystery. Okay. So then you go in the door and then there's more people there and they're like, sir, help us. And then you realize, I'm in a bookstore.
Starting point is 00:27:02 And all the people are like, I don't think we're prepared to help these people. And this is after you've killed at least 400 people, including breaking into a skyscraper and fighting, I think, your fourth helicopter hand to hand. Oh, my God. How does that work? So in every mission in Battlefield, remember the helicopter rule with the Bachelor? Remember that season when the Bachelor had a helicopter every episode? I think you mean every season, but go ahead.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Okay, yeah. So basically that's what they did with Battlefield. They were like, you know, this mission isn't working. Let's put another helicopter in it. So you have to shoot helicopters constantly. And at the beginning of the game, that just means shooting one weapon at it and then it kills a helicopter. But throughout the game,
Starting point is 00:27:50 the power of the helicopter just changes a lot. Sometimes it can take a lot of damage, sometimes it can't. If it's a mini-boss helicopter, you need to collect the big key before you can fight the final helicopter. The ultracopter, who actually turns into a tank okay um so you you
Starting point is 00:28:08 meet these people and you don't really want to help them but then you do and throughout the whole game there are just these weird scenes where like you come across normal people who are either dying or like are just left to die but they're frozen in place just to be really sad. So you like to walk past them and be like, well, that's really sad. Okay, I'm going to shoot more people. Okay, so let's go back a little bit because you were talking about the bookstore. Got it. And when you described it, you said it was full of people.
Starting point is 00:28:38 So is this game set in, like, 1995? No, it's set in a nation where people still read books. Oh, okay. Yeah. Fantasy world. Not the nation that... They're all by Tom Clancy. Also, the story is so amazingly bad.
Starting point is 00:28:59 I don't know what happened. What about all the drama? Because there was that scene they showed off in E3 where the four people are in the water, they're in a car and it's sinking in the water. He's like, shoot me, shoot me in the face, you got two or else you'll die. When you saw that scene, let me guess, you were thinking, wow, this must be a pretty interesting
Starting point is 00:29:14 scene like halfway through the game, right? Where we know why these people are here. Yeah. That is the first scene of the game. Yeah. Establishing shot. The game starts there. With that music? Yes. Oh. It starts on that game, on that scene. the game. Yeah, establishing shot. The game starts there. With that music? Yes. Oh. It starts on that game, on that scene.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Oh, yeah. Also, every time they need for you to like the characters, they have a new song that they all listen to together. Oh. In the middle of, like, you'll have killed, like, 400 people. You'll get in an elevator, and then, like, a song will come on, and you're like, oh, here's a bonding moment. Also known as Saint Throw.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Also, that guy dies early at the beginning of the game. Dude, spoilers. No, this is in the trailer. This guy dies early at the beginning of the game. Dude, spoilers. No, this is in the trailer. This stupid character dies at the beginning of the game, and then the rest of the game, they keep being like, hey, did you call that guy's wife? Because they should totally let him know that he's dead. It's like, yeah, that's his job.
Starting point is 00:29:57 When he's not out saving the world, he has to call out every soldier's wife. Do you think they have an HR department that takes care of this stuff? They need to delegate. This is what it sounds like. Oh, I thought you meant it dice. Why do they have single-player campaigns of these things that aren't Bad Company? That's my question. That's the craziest thing to me.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Here's the thing about why Bad Company is so good and what I figured out from Battlefield. Battlefield multiplayer is one of the greatest video game comedies of all time because they create this hyper-realistic world, and that's like the straight setup, right? And then what you can do in it is just absolutely batshit stupid, and that's what's so funny about it is watching these people do these things that should not be happening with things that are taking themselves incredibly seriously.
Starting point is 00:30:44 But then you hop in that campaign and it's just so serious. All it's all that serious. I have a theory that next year could possibly see the complete phasing out of a single player campaign from either Call of Duty or Battlefield. Because on Call of Duty's side, you are seeing it, the Xbox 360
Starting point is 00:31:00 version of that game has a mandatory, I think either 3 or 4 gigabyte install specifically for the single player content and on uh dan amrick's blog the the activision blog he said like if you just want to do multiplayer don't worry about installing this thing just don't just fuck it just play multiplayer you don't have to worry about installing the single player campaign i think i think that i think it's not unreasonable to think that they are going to just phase that shit out eventually because it i think it does help sort of provide that third pillar
Starting point is 00:31:29 for for call of duty we have the single player campaign we have the competitive multiplayer and we have you know some weird co-op horde mode like zombies or this new um extinction mode but i don't think that like i don't think people are that hot into the campaign shit i think it's just gonna be bad like if they if they don't know how to make one and it's not good like just just stop already the problem is it's just a misunderstanding of what the genre is like it's not saving private ryan you're killing hundreds of people. You can't take it seriously. If you take it seriously, it will make you not enjoy it. My problem with most shooter
Starting point is 00:32:10 campaigns, and I'm talking specifically about the military shit here, because this obviously doesn't apply to a Bioshock or something like that, but it can't just be a set-piece-driven, AI-controlled, multiplayer shoot fest like for me the best single player campaign in in not counting the bad company games like the core battlefield or call of duty was
Starting point is 00:32:36 modern warfare because it had all that dope shit it had that whole ghillie suit level um it had like all those that that sequence of sniper missions that you had to yeah like it had characters you actually cared about which i don't know i don't know about that at the time they were okay captain so christ so so mctavish hey you remember their name how many characters do you remember the name of but in my defense that's because his name is fucking soap mctavish uh i think that i think one of the reasons people like that and one of the reasons people like the first Black Ops story is because they put a little legwork in
Starting point is 00:33:12 and made a story that wasn't just the dumbest fucking blockbuster bullshit you could think of. I don't remember fuck all from any of the past Call of Duty games. You meet JFK in Black Ops. You meet JFK. You're like friends with him past Call of Duty games. You meet JFK in Black Ops. You meet JFK. You're like friends with him. Besties. Yeah. So that's honestly,
Starting point is 00:33:31 and why Bad Company 2 campaign works. The Bad Company 1 campaign was kind of crappy, but the second one worked is because you had like people were goofing around. It was like four, three, what was that movie? Three Kings? But four of them?
Starting point is 00:33:44 Yeah. Yeah, it was like Four Kings. It was like the sequel to Three Kings. I think there was Five Kings, actually. Five Kings? Five Kings. Spike Jonze and then the Ice Cube. I think it was Five Guys. So, what wins? Not the listener. What else?
Starting point is 00:33:57 What are the other possibilities? Uh. Controller. PS4 controller. No, the book thing. The book. I still can't wrap my head around the book thing. It's great. You should download it. Okay, I'm downloading it. How much was the price tag on that bad boy? $2.99, I think. Oof.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Which one? The book. The device 6, isn't it? Oh, yeah, that was good. Get it. More like too much money. Hmm. Huh. Well, that's interesting. I was just saying $0.99 a freemium. I was just saying, 99 a freemium. Please. 99 cents a freemium.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Free 99 would be a way better price. That's gonna do it for us, everybody. Thank you so much for listening to the besties. We're here every Friday. Unless I can manage to get the show canceled, and God knows I'm trying. Don't forget about me.
Starting point is 00:34:47 I will never will. And source up on polygon.com and be sure to join us again next Friday for the besties because shouldn't the world's best friends be the world's best? Besties!

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