The Besties - The Besties 79: Left Behind

Episode Date: November 16, 2013

We know, it's PS4 launch week, but aren't you burnt out on our coverage already? Seriously, between the packed-to-brim StoryStream and 12-hour live video stream, we wager you've had your fill. That's why, this week, we're talking about decidedly not-next-gen stuff. Okay, some talk of PS4 and Wii U slips in there, but we think you'll find it appropriately non-informative. This is, as you've probably discovered, how we do. 4:28 - Best brief tour of Rapture (BioShock Infinite: Burial At Sea: Part One) 21:05 - Best PS4 distraction (Rayman Fiesta Run) 26:48 - Halftime - WobbleGate, The Walking Dead Continuity 33:24 - Best Game of This Year, Next Year (Towerfall on PS4) 41:00 - Best Reason Not to Sleep on Nintendo (New Zelda, New Mario) Theme song by Ian Dorsch Get the show: Download MP3" Subscribe to the podcast (RSS) Subscribe on iTunes Get the full list of games (and other stuff) discussed at www.besties.fan. Want more episodes? Join us at patreon.com/thebesties for three bonus episodes each month!

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My name is... This is The Besties, where we talk about the latest and greatest in sports, news, entertainment, music, movies, sports, scarves, hats, gloves, food, and culture. But this week we're going to delve into video games. A lot to talk about, I feel like. It's a lot to talk about related to the PlayStation, and that's why we're not going to talk really about any of that stuff. Here's the situation. If you're really curious about the PlayStation, like super, super curious, we happen

to have a review that we wrote about the PlayStation 4. We also happen to have a ton of written reviews about the games on the PlayStation 4, and if that's not enough, we have 12 hours of goddamn live show footage. So do your research and don't come to us looking for PlayStation 4 information. You already got it.

Also, there's a stream with like 50 stories in it from the launch event earlier this week in New York City. There's a sickening amount of content about this one subject. So go engorge yourself. Make yourself thick with the stories of PlayStation 4. Too messant. Too messant with our content. We're going to talk about

other stuff that's not PlayStation 4 right now because it's our show. We can do whatever we want to. We're tired of talking about PS4. It's great. It's here. Last Guardian.

Pre-installed. Go get yours now. It's just $400. It really wasn't worth the wait, to be honest. What? Wow. It didn't hold up. I thought it'd be a lot better. Have you soured on it, like, overnight?

What happened? No, the big surprise, I mean, I thought that the cat-dog thing was going to be with us, like, through the whole game, but, like, when he dies in, like in the first 15 minutes, I was pretty... Oh, you're talking about the last Guardian. Okay, you're talking about this last Guardian goof and not the PlayStation 4. Jesus Christ, Russ. I'd like to talk about a little game that I played this week.

It's not really a game so much as it is a downloadable game chunk. It's a DLC. Let's get the title right bioshock infinite burial at sea part one okay so uh before we delve in what are we gonna say this is gonna be relatively spoiler free right uh yeah sure okay because because i play good news is i don't know i don't understand what happened in it so so I'm going to spoil it for you. It's not high. We're back in Rapture, right? Yeah, we've been sucked back into Rapture. You're playing as Booker DeWitt yet again, but it seems to be a different, perhaps different version of Booker

than we have met previously. From the ultimate fiction, right? Right, from the ultimate continuity the ultimate fiction right from the ultimate continuity this isn't the amazing booker this is the ultimate booker uh there's also another elizabeth maybe maybe she's different we don't know um basically this is a world where booker lives in rapture uh and the game is sort of a, um, fusion of, of the two play styles. For example, you don't just hold two weapons this time. You hold all your weapons and can cycle between them at will, which is a godsend.

And they, it's just something that should have been in the, it just should have been in the original game. There is a... The Vigors are back, but once again, they're called Plasmids. Do they work the same? Yeah, I mean they're the exact same. There is one new weapon, there's one new Plasmid,

and there's some new gear, but there's a freezing Plasmid, and then there's a weapon that superheats enemies. Okay. Wait, so they didn't have those before? I thought they had those. Isn't that called fire?

I thought that there was a freezing plasmid too, but there is not. There wasn't the original Bioshock, though. That's correct. Right. There was a freezing plasmid. There was not a freezing vigor. Right, exactly.

So now there's a... Great. So this is still a vigor, was a freezing plasmid there was not a freezing vigor right exactly so now there's a great it so this is still a vigor but they call it a plasmid because we're in rapture right so okay follow-up question do they explain the magic slugs that gave everyone magic powers this it's a weird so here's the thing it is set on the day of the revolution in rapture which as we all know is december 31st 1958 the day before um the events of bioshock take place right so wait what yeah yeah 15 days before my father's uh first birthday i thought i i thought bioshock took place like well after this this revolution happened no not well after i think it was like a year after i think it was 1960 was whenioshock took place like well after this revolution happened. No, not well after.

I think it was like a year after. I think it was 1960 was when Bioshock took place when the plane crashed and you were like in the Bioshock land. Right. It's the day before the revolution, which is a year before. Right. It's confusing. So essentially what you're saying is when the game begins, Rapture is sort of doing pretty good. Everyone's having a good time.

Right for New Year's party. when the game begins, Rapture's sort of doing pretty good. Everyone's having a good time. Right for New Year's party. Yeah, actually, it's the best thing about the DLC is for the first 15 minutes, you are in Rapture before the fall. At the height. At its zenith.

And it is amazing. I mean, it's gorgeous to look at. Like, you're so used to seeing Rapture sort of post... Dilapidated. Dilapidapidated you know everything crumbling and to see it sort of at its zenith and to see it full of life and people is is really fantastic and that's funny because that was like the absolute best part of bioshock infinite was that first 15 minutes that's what i was going to ask is it does like Bioshock Infinite, does it continue to be nice until like the first time you rip somebody's spine out of their asshole?

Yes. For story reasons, after the first 15 minutes where you have an actual like there's a mission, there's a fetch quest, and after the first 15 minutes you're shoved into

a corner of Rapture that has been abandoned. And it looks just like Bioshock then. It doesn't look like this new brave take on Rapture. It's just like it's dilapidated and worn down. And it feels very familiar in that regard. Those pre-revolution areas were not... I mean, they were pretty looking. They weren't nice.

They were still, like, super racist and super, like, not nice to people. So I wouldn't call them, like, utopias, per se. They just were, like, not effed up from people going step up. It's sort of the same way that Bioshock Infinite was. Like, everything was nice, but it had this veneer of like, oh man, these guys hate black people.

Yeah. And I think that that's like, and it's, here's the thing, right? There's some crazy progressive shit, though, in Burial at Sea, right? Aren't there a bunch of same-sex couples? And interracial couples

and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a place where everybody is free to do whatever they want, but the cracks of that are already starting to show by the time. 1950s, baby. Do what you want.

Well, under the sea, apparently. Under the sea. If you're in the ocean. Way ahead of time. Someone always has to be the janitor, you know? Think about it. Think about it. So, I mean, it's a lot tougher to make believable people

and to let you be in a world with believable people. So, I mean, it's not that surprising that you don't keep doing that. But while you do, it is really great. Once it settles into familiar rhythms, it feels like Bioshock. It's weird because the fights are actually on sort of a smaller scale than in Infinite. You don't normally take on... It'd be fucking hard for them to get much larger.

Right, you don't murder armies of cops. It's usually like a handful of slicers that you have to deal with in a certain room. There are a couple of sky hooks where you can attach and swing around. What? Sea hooks. Actually, air grabbers.

That's what they are called in this time. That sounds like a joke, it's not. Water wings. It's called an air grabber in this reality. I like water wings. That, which is, I mean, maybe that's why they changed the name in Rapture i don't know but they essentially they don't obviously these aren't underwater you're they're like really

big rooms essentially yeah exactly cables yeah and for me rapture is always going to be a lot more interesting than than than columbia i mean i think that the whole idea of being underwater and always having that right beneath the surface is really interesting. The problem I have is not, I mean, and the combat stuff is just fine. I mean, they're not changing that much. The problem I have is that the story, and again, I'm not going to speak to specifics, story and again i'm not going to speak to specifics but the the story is sort of vaguely hinted at you know sort of some some sort of lostian nudging towards weirdness where you think wow there's something weird going on here with the slugs in no no slug related activity it's it's

it's a little sister-centric without without it got it. Oh, okay. I was going to say, without ruining anything, how much does it tie into the bizarreness of the ending of Infinite? How much does it flirt with all of the metaphysical shit that happens? Again, without ruining the actual, what actually happens, I will say this. I said this in the review.

Once you open up the possibility ofeness when shit is fucked up and weird you kind of default assume like well it's you know parallel realities yeah right it's it was all a dream thing like that you have this way of writing off like well they can do whatever the fuck they want nothing has to make sense because this could be the ice cream dimension where everything's made of ice cream in the last 30 seconds they dump an insane amount of narrative on you and try to like construct some sort of story and then it's over and the whole thing takes i i took i played it twice uh i took two hours the first time because i was really soaking it all in you could finish it in an hour if you wanted to push through um which i mean you wouldn't want to the the environment sort of half the fun of the thing but hate to be that guy but what what's that price tag uh well here's the

thing and again didn't talk about this in the review because i don't think it's germane to a review to talk about this but it is 15 to to get this dlc um and if you got the season pass it's 20 bucks uh which which makes it a bit more palatable but if you just want this this content is 15 bucks and then there's a part two which i'm assuming will also be that same price uh so if the trend continues you will for for the entire for the entire burial at sea saga you will pay 30 for around four hours yeah but i mean that's not that's not i i don't i don't think we should make any sort of quantitative or qualitative statement based on the price to hour long ratio because i paid what 20 bucks for gone home and it was fucking incredible and i beat it in an hour and a half

like i think the bigger issue is that you're paying 30 for four hours of something that is a little bit disappointing if i was paying if i was paying 15 for uh two hours of walking around in pristine rapture and doing things in that world, that would be one thing. But the fact that this sort of brings you to standard Bioshock so quickly, and then it feels like Bioshock. You get a plasma and you get a gun,

you shoot people, which isn't bad inherently. It's just like, well, you didn't really make – I mean it takes me two hours to finish it. But it's not like I'm doing two hours of new things. It's just more shoot, shoot, and magic hands. I just don't get it. Like they've presented it – well, I get it from a business standpoint. Well, I get it from a business standpoint. But from a creative standpoint, they presented – they gave themselves essentially literally infinite options for making a unique twist on a story that we've already seen and twisting it and like adding variables. And instead of like – I mean I know it sounds silly.

But like instead of Ice Cream World, we get a place that we've already been in. And that seems like – that's a big disappointment for me. And it really does, honestly. And that's the biggest disappointment I have, I think, is that, you know, it head fakes towards sort of a noir approach. And that's really in the first two minutes when you're in Booker's office that has sort of that noir feel. It is not represented throughout the entirety of the game. And then almost as quick as that's over, I mean, you're in what basically feels like fan fiction, you know? It feels like, well, what if Booker was the one in Rapture? I don't know. I don't really care,

but I guess if you're going to tell me. It's just not moving things forward in a way that's particularly interesting or worth your time. Money aside. I think what really bums me out about both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite, not Bioshock 2, oddly enough, is that both the original and Infinite cop out of any narrative, basically the need to actually finish anything. They just create endings where a trick explains away everything and it strips away all real impact. I don't know.

I liked the ending I got for the original Bioshock. I got the Scooby-Doo super happy ending. Oh, well, I'm not even talking about that ending. I think the big twist in it is great. And the reason it works is not because it works as a story. It works as, like, a comment on video games. And that's very interesting. But after that, once you realize, like,

basically, oh, everything, it was just it's fate. It was, like, gonna happen and there's nothing to control. It takes all the stakes out. And Infinite goes one further in that basically it's fate doesn't matter and, you it's, fate doesn't matter, and you know what, stakes don't matter because really anything could happen.

So, you know, maybe it works here, maybe it doesn't, whatever. But that does slight the impressiveness of the world creation aspect, which is really, I would say, where the quote-unquote story is most interesting. It's like, how did this thing come about? Yeah, it's I think it's really easy to write a first act if you don't have to worry about a third act. And I think that is

what a lot of television shows that people get pissy about have gotten away with. People are always like, it was so amazing and I just don't know how they didn't pull it off. Well, they didn't pull it off because they were free to do whatever the hell they wanted without having to worry about tying it up. It's not hard to write something that is really crazy, but it doesn't end.

But like actually, you know, having something that starts somewhere and ends somewhere else, that's the tough part. Do you think they can tie it up, Truce, in chapter two? That's the weirdest thing. at the end of this episode, I was thinking, well, okay, that all seems crazy and I don't really know what's happening, but I guess I'll find out and who knows when it'll be. I mean, who knows when the next episode will come out. I mean, it really,

it feels like an absolute like slam on the brakes moment for this story and just when it's actually starting to go anywhere. So they should have just waited and released them together. That would have been vastly preferable, I think. Gotta get that cash. Yeah, I mean,

that's, and I guess... And again, I wouldn't say this in review, but I would speculate here on this show, it feels like it ends because they didn't build the next room. You know what I mean?

Like this room's as far as we built, so let's end the story here. Let's just put a bookmark in it and rush the rest of the story out so we can have some sort of forward momentum. I don't know. I didn't hate it. I think it's interesting, and it's great to be back in that world, and you see some neat Raptors stuff that obviously you haven't seen before. It's just without seeing the second half, it's really hard to say what they're doing.

I mean, I don't know. And who knows? Maybe there'll be egg on my face, and it'll turn out to be Brillo at the end. But it's not there right now. And the fact that they're charging for it right now, you know, makes me kind of put that, well, maybe it gets great thing out of my mind because you could pay for just this and you might die tomorrow. I don't know. I'm not i'm not sure we've seen a really impactful super awesome story uh take put take place in bioshock world in an hour and a half in minerva's den like that was start and stop

man i gotta play that shit don't i that is all anyone talks about that and bioshock 2 bioshock 2 is also really good bioshock 2 is surprisingly good it it actually is weird and i don't think it's enough credit for this it manages to set itself apart from fromioshock 2 is surprisingly good it actually is weird and I don't think it gets enough credit for this it manages to set itself apart from Bioshock by being about literally the opposite thing that Bioshock is about Bioshock 2 is this bizarre story about like

family and love and that kind of stuff that has no place in the world of Bioshock 1 and it really doesn't get enough credit for that it's's a surprisingly good... It's a lot more subtle. I think people were expecting the mind-blowing twist that Bioshock 1 had and

didn't give the story itself enough credit. And I would also say there's a big gameplay improvement from Bioshock 1. They improved just about every facet of the gameplay. So, play Bioshock 2, play Minerva's Den, both of them are really good. Also, pretty much every great indie game coming out for the next year and a half is from developers who left that project. Yeah.

Truth. Let's move on, because we just spent like 45 minutes on that. Felt that way. But I don't know. It's a good discussion. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. I'll go next as a palette cleanser.

I don't have a ton to say about this game, but, you know, given the fact that, like, for the last week, my entire life has been PS4 prep for the live show and the review and all sorts of, like, logistical nightmarish stuff that I don't want to think about, I've used a palette cleanser in the form of a little game called Rayman Fiesta Run I believe it's called, something like that Rayman Fiesta something, I think it's Run That's it, no it's Rayman Fiesta Run Awesome, it is a sequel to Rayman Jungle Run which came out on iOS and I believe Android

about, I want to say a year or so ago and that original game was really, really good. And this game doesn't really change the formula too much. It's essentially a lot of pre-made levels and using tap controls to guide Rayman through these levels. You don't have to worry about running him, directing him, really. You're just worried about jumping and punching. So the touch controls really don't get in the way uh the graphics are as good as the console graphics because they're like hand-drawn and super simple you don't need like

a it's still on it's still on ubi art engine right yes still still using the same engine and uh you know i found that i enjoyed it more than i did playing legends because, well, for a few reasons. One, Legends had those levels that I really hated with the little flying guy. And two, it's just like the best parts of Legends are when you're sprinting away from something and every jump

matters and a single miss sends you back to the beginning of the level. So you get in this flow of platforming. And these mobile games, these Rayman mobile games, really just focus in on that one element and do an amazingly good job of well-paced, thoughtful platforming levels that just work on an iPhone, work on an iPad.

I tried it out on an iPad Mini Retina. Holy crap. Fuck, them shit's looking tight. Amazing. Papa out on the iPad Mini Retina. Holy crap. Them shit's looking tight. Amazing. They're basically nowhere to be found. They're really hard to get. I was using the one that the Verge got and it is

damn slick. Yeah, I really would recommend it. Pretty much anyone, if you play iOS games, it's one of the slickest games that I've played in a while on iOS, and I really like it. Two quick Rayman updates also, because we talked about this on the show before.

The PlayStation Vita version of Rayman Legends is getting an update, I think, next week to get those invasion levels. Oh, great. So our long national nightmare is also over. Speaking of invasion levels, update number two, I have gotten perfect scores on every one of them on the Wii U version. Wow.

I don't want to brag, but I managed to get all three of the little dudes from every single But Griffin, there's no achievements on Wii U, so what's the point? You know what? Sometimes I do it for me. Love of the game. There's no achievements on Wii U, so what's the point? You know what? Sometimes I do it for me. Sometimes the achievement's inside, in my heart. You got game, Griffin. I do got game. Man, I'm not even kidding.

That game, probably in my top three right now for 013. Maybe it's because I played it on Vita, and those touch levels were so infuriating on Vita. That's what I tried to fucking tell you. I was in South Dakota. I didn't have options. It's just so crazy to me to think of like, they're bringing it to PlayStation 4 and they're bringing it to Xbox One

and unless they get like Smart Glass and PlayStation at functionality on it, like why would you do that? Why would you fucking play it like that? I would just want to play it at play the platforming levels just make those other levels optional but the other levels are like the reason the fucking game exists like some of those levels are super super tight like one player has to use the stylus to like dig a tunnel for the other person to run through and like avoid shit like it's so good and it's so clever and it's so unlike anything else it's not not this shitty gimmick.

It's a really fucking well-designed thing. I haven't even played it on the other platforms. I don't know how it would work on the other platforms. Have you guys tried it? I hope it doesn't have the AI that's in the single-player levels. They're fucking terrible. The point is that you shouldn't... Yeah, I mean, that's...

And so if it's up to me and I see that the AI is awful, if I'm Ubisoft, I say, okay, we have this series of levels that's co-op only. It's not part of the main campaign. And when you have a buddy over, you play those levels. They are part of the main campaign. You don't have to worry about them. I don't know how they're...

What do you mean they're not part of the main campaign? They shouldn't be more... I'm saying they shouldn't have been part of the main campaign if they essentially can only be fun if you have a buddy over. It just would have been crazy to... I don't know. Do they even have the music levels in those versions of the games? Yeah, the music levels are in the Vita version.

And those are amazing. Right, but you don't do the thing where you tap on the stuff and the beat to the music. Well, you jump in the beat to the music. Right, but then the player on the touchscreen taps the little buttons that appear across the screen to get extra points and shit and beat to the music like well you jump in the beat to the music right but then the player on the touch screen like taps the little buttons that appear across the screen to like get extra points and shit and beat with the music yeah that's just what i'm saying like why would you why would you fucking buy that game it's so it's so i was in south dakota no i'm not i'm not i'm

saying more colloquially like it's still crazy to me like at first i didn't get all the the gamer rage when they brought it to other platforms but now it's still crazy to me like at first i didn't get all the the gamer rage when they brought it to other platforms but now it's like all those other platforms are clearly so so inferior yeah i just inferior to what to the w version yeah for the first time maybe ever for the first time ever also i get we'll get to we'll get to we'll get to n stuff later. Let's do it at halftime. Halftime. Great halftime, guys. Let's take it back to the show.

So the PS4 came out today. Well, that's halftime. It's not today. It's tomorrow. Hey, you have to have a good... You streamed for 12 hours yesterday, Russ. You have to have some good, some juicy behind the scenes stories. What is the one thing about the PlayStation 4, the one neat thing that nobody knows about yet?

I cannot imagine there's a single button, a single servo of that system that was not explored yesterday. There's this hot title that has been pretty much been under the radar called knack that's like a plan we talk about can we talk about motherfucking wobble gate it's literally killing me what what is this wobble game okay okay when you press down on one side of the system the place is that bold wobbles is that, there's that bulge. Is that what you mean? There's the rubber stopper that goes across the, well, it's not the middle.

There's two legs on one side and then a rubber stopper like two-thirds of the way in the center of the other side. So if you press down on that extra one-third, the system wobbles. No way. The internet is up in fucking arms about it. I mean, I haven't seen a single wobble on those

i'll have to go back and check but like i've been using ps4s for the last week and i have not noticed them why oh do you want to know why because you haven't been like just fucking djing on top of like what are you guys talking about it makes me so angry like if you touch it it, if you touch it, it moves. If you touch most things, they move. Well, but I get, like, the concern because, like, if a disc is spinning and the console moves, it could F up the disc. Why are you fucking pressing down on the top of the console when your shit's

on? Who started this? Who was like, oh, weeble wobble, weeble wobble? I think Giant Bomb did a stream where they touched one side of the system and it wobbled. So he made a gif and then, like, everyone exploded because it wobbles. It's like... Okay, serious question. Do you think I should run right now?

There's a PS4 in the other room. Should I run and test it? Go get it and bring it back. Go get it. Okay, I'll come right back. No. Don't get it. Just go wobble it.

This is like... It's got to be on the air. I want to hear the wobble. Unless I hear it, I won't know. It's already out the door. I won't know how pronounced it is. When was the last time you guys touched one of your game consoles? And didn't just turn it on remotely?

Yesterday, when I was telling my 360 the old heave-ho. Come on, you poor little soldier. No more waiting 30 seconds for you to boot up. Little Jitter learns to fly. It just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me, the wobble. Who gives a fuck of all the things? Hey, I have a serious halftime quandary for you guys.

Guys, it wobbles. It fucking wobbles. How bad is it? Sorry, it wobbles, guys.bles. How bad is it? Sorry. It wobbles, guys. Russ, how bad is it? Should I cancel my preorder? I think now might be the best time, to be honest.

I know it's still shipping, but that stuff wobbles. This is a serious question. We've got PS4 coming out tomorrow, today, as you're listening to this. Xbox One, a week after. I think everybody on the show is getting at least one of them, right? I got that PS4 coming tomorrow. Okay. Yeah.

All right. So what is your guys' succession plan for the old consoles? Like, what are you doing? Oh, God. I would... I'm probably just going to walk my old consoles over to Housing Works, which is like a donate old things you don't want to see ever again. What are you talking about?

That's crazy. The thing is, you can't give it to either of them because they're not backwards compatible. Right. So you've got to keep them. Okay, so I'll clarify that. In my brain, cannot think of a... Well, maybe Journey. But for the most part, there's not really a PS3

game that I really want to go back and replay ever again. Really? Yeah. Really? I could see maybe the Uncharted games No. Also, those are going to come with HD versions, I'm sure. I like the Uncharted games, but

no desire to go back and replay them. Last of Us, loved Last of Us, no desire to go back and replay them. Last of Us, loved Last of Us, no desire to go back and replay it. Little Big Planet! Little Big Planet 2! That's a good theme song. Yeah, so I don't know yet.

I definitely have to keep my 360 around, because I already started with Bioshock and the DLC there there and then um also we can play dark souls 2 on also yeah dark souls and what is no i'm saying no i'm saying i'm fucking saying dark souls 2 what about it i'm saying there's shits for these two consoles that hasn't come out yet yeah that's coming to next gen though i'll wait until next gen no it's not what are you talking about it'll come to next gen i just announced it you're dropping some lies no i have no actual information but you don't think dark souls 2 is going to come to next gen consoles ever that would be the dumbest thing i can imagine i don't i don't think i'm concerned with that the uh the i i feel that way about xbox though too i don't know what i would

i'm not i'm not a big one for replaying games once i finish them i pretty much what about the telltale series i'm playing i already started on xbox i gotta finish it on xbox okay that's not a bad point i do have to finish wolf among us on the 360 and walking dead 2 assuming that your decisions carry over which they should I didn't even think about that when you started playing that fucking series you're like I am signing myself up to this shit for life wouldn't they be able to pull that though from

I mean theoretically it's not exactly a technically savvy company no I mean they make good stories but no but you turn on fucking like chapter 6 and it's like both of lee's legs are gone what the fuck happened i didn't cut his legs off you cut lee's legs off he'll remember

that like i don't remember that let's uh griffin i'll never forget how could you do this how could you do this to me at the end of the last controversial chapter? Like, I didn't. I made you get on the train, not under it. God damn it, Lee. Say nothing. Stay under the train. Fuck.

Remain motionless. Do not crouch. Who wants to go next? I'll go next. Yeah, do it. I'm excited for yours. So, in case you didn't see it, on our site this morning, as in the morning that you're actually listening to this. Friday.

The best game of this year, 2013, is coming to PC, but also PlayStation 4, sometime at the end of January or early February. Whoa, that soon? Yeah. And that game is Towerfall. Towerfall. Did you say it's coming to PS4 at the end of January too? Yeah. Fuck yeah. At the same time. And I think that's going to be huge because

now people will actually play the best game of this year. And it's a shame because it'll be next year. But it's a bigger, better version of the game. It's called Towerfall Ascension and it has more levels, more characters, a lot more levels.

And way more options for how you set up your matches. If you don't know what Towerfall is, it's a 2-4 player local multiplayer game where you're in these 2D arenas. your matches. If you don't know what Towerfall is, it's a 2-4 player local multiplayer game where you're in these 2D arenas and you shoot. No, too complicated. It's essentially like a much faster one-shot kill

Smash Bros. Yeah, using bow and arrows, and it's 2D. Bam. Sounds pretty tight, man. This is the kind of thing that I'm super psyched for on PlayStation 4, and they announced a lot of these games at Gamescom, and a few have come out recently. And apparently one came out today with Towerfall but like samurai gun is very much i feel like in the same vein that's coming to playstation 4 all the sports friends games like i'm gonna get

down on some some fucking indie competitive four-player games like this well we um we are in the office here in new york uh have a dedication to Towerfall like no other game that has come through this office. We have ranked matches, tournaments, brackets. We have different leagues, actually, in different box offices between New York and D.C. Really? And also different leagues within certain cities. Like, we play a certain rule type that the production team in League doesn't play. They play a lesser, they're a lesser league.

Let's talk about this. When I interviewed Shuhei Yoshida, the president of Worldwide Studios at Gamescom this year, and I talked to him, I think the day after the Sony press conference, which I don't know if you guys remember, was like the best fucking press conference ever. That's when they announced that there was no DRM, the price was lower, all these fucking indie games. And I asked him, because I sort of said, like, it's kind of looking like the first party lineup is going to be a little bit weak at launch, which it by all accounts is. What are the odds that an indie game could be the killer app for this console? And he, like, you know, sort of laughed and said, well, there's some really fucking good indie games out there.

And we have a lot of them coming to the console. And I said, it's not impossible because it happened with the OUYA. Cause I would say 50 to 60% of the people who bought OUYA did it to play Towerfall. I think you guys have called it a $100 Towerfall arcade machine. Yeah. And he,

he, he sort of evaded the answer. Cause I think maybe the ball was rolling at that point. Do you guys think that this could, shit like Towerfall could be a system seller for PlayStation 4? There are two things. One, I don't think he answered that because he doesn't want to throw all his AAA developers under the bus. Because they think they are that. And I think they hope they are.

And maybe they are for some people. Towerfall is, in my honest, and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's the game of the year. I cannot see a game now that is going to be better than it. Yeah, the thing about Towerfall that I cannot say about any other game that I've played this year is every single match, every single minute, I'm having an enjoyable time there's no downtime even when i'm getting crushed it's still like a fun experience and i literally have not

played a multiplayer game i can't think of a local multiplayer game where i felt and still feel that enthusiastic about playing it we put at least 100 hours into it each individually and at this point last night after that livestream, we came upstairs and still played like another half hour. The video guys hadn't slept in two days. And what did we want to do the second the livestream ended? It's get in a few rounds of Towerfall to end the night. Like, that's how we feel about this game.

And it is a real bummer because I think a lot of people won't have the opportunity to play it until early next year. But damn, man. Yeah, I think what could also help them is having something like that and of sports friends really catches on. Local multiplayer is a thing that can really help push hardware and push things like your controllers and stuff. Well, I don't—m Move controller sales might have increased, but I don't think they, like, went through the roof. Sure, but I'm saying, like, normal controllers for sports friends. If you want to play any of the sports friends games,

you'll need more than one controller. Sure, that's true. So, yeah, I just think... I don't know if they'll be huge sellers, but I think they'll help both the system a lot, you know, in terms of just getting people who are already... maybe already own it more engaged with it and buying more hardware for it and i'm gonna buy i i have two controllers

i'll have two controllers when i get it tomorrow i'll probably buy a couple more if if it means four player tower fall i'll be really honest with you i um was ready to uh give my pre-order to a family member who is uh in desperate need of a PS4, and I still might do it just because I really want to help him out. But the thing that is making me want to have a PS4 around is Towerfall at this point. Otherwise, there's nothing on it. I mean, I have the privilege of having already played Rezogun for the review, but otherwise, there's nothing that is, you know, the killer app for me just yet.

Well, but it's funny because your question to Shuhei was essentially, is an indie the killer app? And guess what? It is. It's Resodent. Because it's the only game that's essentially really worth playing. It's thankfully free if you have PlayStation Plus, but because of the anemic AAA exclusives. I made this point on Twitter yesterday, though. anemic uh i made this point i made this point on twitter yesterday though like if you are fucking upset because we didn't give killzone an especially high score like you're lying to yourself like i

didn't know so many people liked killzone this much i yeah like even among sony exclusive shooters it's not the best franchise like that you're crazy what the reason that got everybody got so fucking excited in august with the gamescom thing was free games through PlayStation Plus and a huge slate of indie titles, and that's exactly what it delivered at launch. That's exactly what happened. It's not that surprising how things are turning out. It actually, yeah, a lot of those missed launch.

A lot of those missed launch, but there's some cool, like Tiny Brains looks fucking fun. That's coming out in a week. There's a lot of stuff that's coming out very soon, and there's going to be this sustained flow of indie titles, a lot of it which are going to get the PlayStation Plus treatment. Don't Starve is coming to PlayStation Plus, I think, early next year. It's going to be free through PlayStation Plus.

Binding of Isaac Rebirth is coming. It's going to be free through PlayStation Plus. This is what makes me excited about PlayStation 4, and it's the reason I'm psyched to get one tomorrow. Not for fucking Knack. Nobody was ever excited about Knack. Also, talking about possible killer app things, man, Don't Starve and Binding of Isaac are legit great games.

That's like 500 hours. 500 hours I would like to look into. I'll probably play them on Vita, to be honest. But, I mean, yeah, on PS4, that would also be really good. Let's move on, because I feel like there's a guy that we're all leaving out this week, and arguably next week, and that's old TheBigN. That's old Mario, and Samus, and Link. I wanted to talk about just sort of a catch-up on what Nintendo's up to,

just give you guys a rundown, because you probably missed the Nintendo Direct yesterday. Oh, forgot you even hadn't even started your point yet that was such a long segue um so here's the thing this week put tomorrow playstation 4 comes out next week xbox one comes out let's not sleep on nintendo though because they got some they got some shit coming out next friday uh first up sorry i don't want to jump in do you know like i've actually played zelda link between worlds yeah the embargo lifted but it's out next week so maybe i should just save it until next week my my thoughts yeah um by i mean i don't know what you thought about it but it is getting fucking sick reviews.

It's tremendous. It's getting fucking incredible. It's been a while since I've seen a portable game get this across-the-board tense. It's easily my favorite Zelda since Wind Waker and maybe better than Wind Waker. That's crazy town to me. I'm worried it's going to get fucking killed, though. I'm worried about it. I'm worried it's going to get fucking killed, though. Like, I'm worried about it.

I'm worried about Tearaway. Well, there's no 3DS kill wrap this holiday season apart from Pokemon. So I think it'll do well. The 3DS, you know, install base will buy it. I don't think it's going to get killed. Tearaway, on the other hand, will probably get killed. Tearaway is going to get destroyed, man. Yeah.

Anyway, that's coming out on Friday. New Mario Party is coming out on Friday. I don't know anything about that. Wow. I don't either. It's got Bravely Default coming in February, which looks pretty tight. I know you guys aren't really RPG folks, but it's got some shit that looks pretty tight. Those are two words that don't really make sense together.

No. Well, hi. Hi, screenings. make sense together no well hi hi screenings um they've got a professor layton coming in february and you are on the seat of your seat of your seat for that um they are finally combining 3ds and wii u e-shop balances yeah that's insane that they haven't done that yet it's kind of crazy that they haven't done that yet but that's finally happening happening. Miiverse is going to be on 3DS. I know you guys were waiting on that. I do like drawings of Mario. Also, what's up next Friday?

It's Super Mario 3D World. No big deal. Is Zambardo lifted on that yet? No. No, not yet. Have you played it a whole bunch? We'll talk about it next week. We'll talk about it next week.

They had this trailer, which if you haven't watched it go watch it it's crazy how much shit is in that game it's crazy how fun that game looks there's a there's a unlockable luigi brothers mode which is the original mario brothers only you play as two luigis instead of mario and luigi it's pretty. Yep. Nintendo's not out of it, guys. I don't know. It's just, it's this stark, it's this stark contrast between, like, all these fucking arguments

that have been happening this week and will likely persist into next week. By what you mean next year. Well, we're specifically, like, in the heat of it. It's been a while since we've gotten, like, fucking angry emails from fanboys. about what you mean next year well we're specifically like in the heat of it it's been a while since we've gotten like fucking angry emails from fanboys um to the with the um the fieriness and quantity that we've gotten this week like i have not missed that shit at all so like this this this fucking console war is picking back up again someone which i don't know who this

i don't know who these fucking people are because it's like it's 2013 everybody has an xbox 360 and a playstation 3 we've talked about this before like unless these are like fucking 34 year old dudes who the battle lines are still drawn from the last war and they just haven't gotten over it yet because kids have this shit or kids are playing like angry bird star wars on their on their android devices can i just say someone suggested that i stick an xbox controller up my bottom because i thought the frame rate in the xbox one version of call of duty was smoother than the playstation 4 call of duty this is what we're dealing with it's fucking it's getting into fucking crazy town and to like take a step back and look at what Nintendo's up to

is frankly super refreshing. Because next Friday they have two super stellar looking first party titles coming out to two different platforms. It's like they're not even in the same fight as Sony and Microsoft are. I said it earlier, I think on different besties, but I think the odds are very, very high that the two

best games that will come out this season will not be on next-gen consoles. Nope. Well, I guess, what do we want to call the Wii U now? The mid-gen? No, I think it's I think it's current. Yeah, it's current-gen. It's as powerful as a 360. No, but I think it's current. Yes, it's current gen.

It'll be current gen. Because it says powerful is like a 360. No, but I think... God, this is weird. I haven't thought about this before. Yeah. Well, okay. Coming out of Xbox One or PS3 or anything.

I mean, here's the fact. It is part of the seventh generation of consoles. That's fair. That the Xbox One and PS4 are a part of is just severely underpowered. Well, underpowered in what respect? It's got a second screen, though. Teraflops, y'all. It's underpowered in the sense that it isn't.

That's what I'm saying. It can't do so many Ps and it can't do 60 frames per second. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't give a fuck. Here's four-player Mario. Have fun, kids. Have kids come around. Let's play this game.

It's me, your dad. I'm a dad in this example. Pick it up. Let's street pass our links and fight them against each other in a Zelda adventure. Call of Duty. It's a nap. Pick this up. Let's get some coins, it's a nap. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Pick this up.

Let's get some coins, though. Put on this cat suit. Let's just have a fucking good time together. Like we used to. Remember how we used to? What happened to our hearts? Like a family. I'm not saying that it's not important,

the pixels and the frame rates. It's obviously very important. But like I've been saying for like three weeks now, like Nintendo's strength in this current generation is starting to become more and more apparent and that is that it is not trying to fuck with that it wants you to have a fun four-player mario time with me and i'm just gonna find your wii u you can complete that challenge look under every couch find that tablet you you know what's great about the Wii U? Rayman Legends? Mario or all these other things coming out for it is that they deprived us

of a decent looking game starring their characters for so long that now you see Mario or any character in HD and you're like thank god, oh my gosh this looks amazing just because you're used to seeing that crappy Wii stuff on your HDTV for so long. And you know what?

Also, we joke about the Wii U being underpowered. But, I mean. It doesn't look bad. The Delta will certainly get bigger. But right now, that gulf between the two is not as noticeable as you might think. And that's looking at several of the next gen title the well the new gen titles i guess um will it be next gen i mean it'll be current gen next friday next friday be current gen okay here's the thing graphics don't make for art

design and that is a real problem of all these launch games is the art design uh on the nintendo products look a hell of a lot better than most of the things that are coming out on these new consoles. Thank you so much for listening to our show The Besties. We hope you've had fun listening to it. There is a literal,

not a literal, but there's a figurative boatload of stuff on polygon.com about the PlayStation 4, about Big N, about let's like, let's turn this podcast into like a wildly pro Nintendo, like definite bias zone. What do you guys think about that? Just keep clinging.

Site has lots of great stuff. Polygon.com. There's a video review. There's a video review there's a playstation 4 review that's gorgeous which I can say because I didn't help on it make it and there is so much good stuff there go check it out make sure you join us again next Friday for the besties

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