The Besties - Walking Into the Thousand-Year Door

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

This week’s special guest is Mario! Or as some people say, Merry-O. The most popular plumber on our podcast returns with a remake of Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. This might shock you, but Griffin is in love. What about the rest of the crew? In the back half, the Besties share their best guesses for Summer Game Fest. Get the full list of games (and other stuff) discussed at www.besties.fan. Want more episodes? Join us at patreon.com/thebesties for three bonus episodes each month!

Hey everybody, we're talking about Mario RPG, Paper something, the Thousand Year Door. The point is Mario got paper and he got RPG, right? Yeah. And there was a time when I felt like everybody could get RPG. Sonic got RPG, right? Yeah.

You know? But then it kind of faded, and we didn't get more games that got RPG. So I wanted to come to you as expert game designers. Family Feuders. Family Feud RPG? Yep. Okay.

Walk us through that Russ, that thing you just said. I haven't thought about it apart from just shouting it out. So I'm sure there's more to it than that. Well, you need a party that has diverse knowledge, right? That's true. And you need a wizard that knows all about sports. And you need a knight that is an expert in, I don't know, what mom's like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, making whoopee. Yes, you get what I'm about. That's even too tame for the few. Like we need a plucky bard who's like smashing fannies, Steve. Like someone who can say like- Steven, I say smashing fannies.

Yeah. Steven. What do you think about like Call of Duty RPG where it's like you have to do all the stuff between the missions. Like go home and talk to your wife and be like, I know I don't tell you about my work. I don't wanna tell you about my work.

And she's like, I just need to know a little bit about it. You say it's an office job, but you keep coming back crying at night. And maybe like that. I would know if my partner was secretly a Call of Duty person. Yeah. I like to think I would.

I think I'd figure it out. I like to think I would. They come home with figure it out. I like to think I would. They come home with their balaclava still on. The two shows I'm pretty sure I'll never end up on is I didn't know I was pregnant, and I didn't know my partner was a Call of Duty guy. Yeah. Those are the two shows I don't think I'll be on.

Because I feel like I'm going to get sent. Griffin's so confident when we've been keeping Rachel's secret all this time. I know. It's kind of impressive. We've been working to keep Griffin in the dark. He can't handle it. He's too tender.

["Gryffindor Theme Song"] My name is Justin McElroy, and I know the best game of the week. What's up me? Griffin McElroy, I know the best game of the week. My name is Christopher Thomas Plant and I know the best Luigi of the week. My name is Crust, Crust, Crust, Crust. Wow, what is it? Holy crap, man.

Sorry, Crust? Crust? Crustic. It's actually Crust for this episode. I'm sorry, you said Crust and it's Crust. I? Crustic. That's actually crust for this episode. I'm sorry, you said crust and it's crust. I'm crust forevermore. And I know the best game of the week. Welcome to the besties.

It is a video game club. And just by listening, you, my friend, have become a member. Welcome to our illustrious ranks. This week we're going to be talking about a revamped bit of interactive confectionary from the Wizard Super Nintendo. Paper Mario, the Thousand Year Door, but Chris Plant, what is that? Welcome to the lean days of the Nintendo Switch

where they say no new games, only great remakes. That's what we're here to deliver, and we are living for it. Super Mario, which is not what the name of the game is, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door is an RPG Mario game. Some say the best RPG Mario game, others do not. Many say a very expensive one if you want to play it original style. Yeah. But now you can play it cheaper style on Nintendo Switch. And we'll talk about how it's got fun and laughs right after this. Paper Mario is a different franchise, right?

From the search for the seven stars, right? Or is it a direct successor to Super Mario RPG? It's weird, man. Paper Mario kind of lives in step with the Mario and Luigi RPG games. There've been some similarities between them, but I would say after this one is where the two branches really diverged

and Mario and Luigi was much more traditional RPG, whereas Sticker Star and Origami King started to go in a direction that frankly, I think. I think it's more- So you got, just to bring in the Wikipedia here, the first was Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars. It's been brought back for, I guess, all the- Last year, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And then there's Paper Mario, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, Super Paper Mario, Paper Mario Sticker Star, Color Splash, Origami King was the last new one in 2020. Did we talk about that one? We did, we talked about it, yeah. It's not, is it the one with the weird rotating circle combat system?

And then there's the Mario & Luigi series that starts in OTH3 and has its own like, content. Yeah, those, it feels like. There is Mario and Luigi paper jam, which great guys, fucking excellent. Way to do it. I think that's a crossover.

Yeah, it is. Okay. It feels like there was, yeah, a splitting where basically the Mario and Luigi games continued this trend of what started with Super Mario RPG and were just straight up RPG games, and the Paper Mario games got way more experimental and way more kid-friendly.

So less reading, more weird gameplay mechanics and cutesiness. Less Mario smuggling drugs for a Goomba and more Mario smuggling candy for a Goomba. Well, I think the biggest sort of difference between those two pseudo franchises is that like, after Super Paper Mario on the Wii, I feel like the Paper Mario games kind of stopped having fun

with like the world of Mario, whereas like Mario and Luigi, like fucking Bowser's inside story is one of the weirdest like RPGs I've ever played where you're platforming inside of Bowser while he platforms around in the real world. This game I had not played before. I thought I was pretty familiar with the Paper Mario franchise,

but I realized how foolish that was because this game, I think, sets the precedent for what is best about this series and all the Mario RPGs going forward and that it's really weird, there's lots of characters. There's like, they actually try to tell some stories in the game, which is I think different from Origami King or a lot of the more recent games.

You have to teach a computer how to love this game. There's so much wild shit that this game does that I don't think that the Mario games get kind of permission to do usually. Yeah, I think just to take a step back, I think the kind of setting up weirdly setting up the story is kind of interesting because it does relate directly to why this game is so different from all of the other ones. The premise is, starts simply enough, there's like a thousand year door that opens and it's got a treasure in it or something.

Peach goes looking for it and Peach gets kidnapped. Pretty straightforward. What ends up happening is that Mario goes to look for her in a place called Rogueport, which is essentially like crime the city. It's basically like Mario's version of Gotham City. And so you have all these familiar Mario characters like literally doing crimes, again, smuggling drugs and doing shady shit, beating up other people, having like crime dens, etc. And so the hub of the game

is that city. So you keep going back to that city with new powers, unlocking new areas, unlocking new events that happen. And so that quasi-search action game unlocking element is very different from any other Mario RPG, which tends to be very linear and direct. It's also, if you liked or enjoyed the first Thousand Year Door, the original on GameCube. If you compare the footage, they've done a really amazing job of like keeping all of the aesthetic touchstones. Like it doesn't look that different.

Like all the, all of the settings and everything look just like in the GameCube. But I think it's really doing that preservation thing that you want of like, it's bringing it closer to maybe what you remember. It's improving like the fidelity and the crispness, but like the artistic direction I feel like is all still like largely intact, which for a preservation standpoint is cool, I think, when the aesthetics are such a big selling point. Yeah, I think the Metroid Prime remake is like another example. They seem to be pretty smart about this where they're not going totally ham on the upgrades

They're really just bringing it into true HD. It's very sad Yeah, and yeah very subtle But in a pretty clean because the old one look great if you look at the one on GameCube from 2004 20 years ago It looks sick. It still looks great I I I don't know. I was I was blown away by this game. I feel like I truly understand. I know that there are a lot of people, I feel like there's a lot of web comics people who are obsessed about this game.

There's a lot of people in the community who reference it a lot, and I feel silly having skipped it for as long as I did. It's very chapter-based. You go from different places around this hub world of Rogueport, and each one is so wildly distinct and different. The first one is a dragon's castle,

and then you go to this enormous weird techno tree, and then you go to a city where all of a sudden you're a pit fighter. Every chapter offers something like completely, completely different. And I think that the game, again I didn't play it so I can't speak to how much it is. You didn't play it?

What are you doing here then? I didn't play the original, but I can't speak to how much it's changed from there. I think it definitely has some like pacing issues that are maybe inherent to a role-playing game from 2003 or whenever the original came out. Or really on any, I think any of the Paper Mario games are like 50% visual novel. Yeah, there's a lot of unskippable, I mean all of it is unskippable sort of like text and cut

sheets, you really have to hang in there. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind that part. And to be clear, I really enjoyed this game, but in a big, but I do think the first five to even 10 hours is slow, like quite slow and it is maybe like an exponential curve. Um, but the first dungeon that you go to, the dragons thing that you're talking about, it does feel like baby's first RPG. It's the least interesting part of the game I've played so far.

Yes. And, and I, and I've heard that from other folks. I've, I've like asked around and was like, Hey, should I keep playing? And everybody's advice is exactly what you said. You know, this is just how RPGs were made at the time. It's a slow ramp. Once you get into it, they can have a lot more fun. Um, so that's more to say if you are trying this and you're like, I don't know, I feel like I'm pretty deep.

Why is it not clicking? The answer seems to be that it just, it takes a meaty bit of time, but I'm, I'm just getting to the point where I can really feel myself getting wrapped into it. They yeah. And I think that that again, it's like that not updating things, not updating the gameplay to what you might expect now. Like there's value in that, I think, because it's a from that preservation standpoint, like you can have experience as it was. Right. Because it doesn't need to be. I mean, it is it is the experience as it was, right? Cause it doesn't need to be,

I mean, it is the game that it was then. Right. I do think on the pacing side, there's not really a reason that they didn't give you the option to speed up the dialogue. Yeah. Like it's having it hit a twice to like fully fill in the dialogue and be able to like move at your own pace

would have, I think, really helped. Because I know, yeah, if you're, it definitely hinders the pace when they're doing that, like text as speech kind of thing. And it's someone that's like, you know, very verbose. They actually make multiple jokes about the verbosity of this game where you'll run into Luigi.

Holy shit. It's very funny. That is maybe one of the all time best executed jokes ever featured in a Mario game in that you will run into Luigi who is on his own separate adventure in the Waffle Kingdom. When you run into him, he will tell you a long winded story during which you

and like your partner at the time will fall asleep asleep during and he just goes on and on like Yeah, so I went to the waffle kingdom right and I met the queen but she sent me out on this mission I had to go fight this big ship and I had all these cannons on it So anyway, I got into another another classic Luigi jam and he just goes odd and odd and odd and you'll just find him like With a random with like a here's a character that's all burnt up. Yeah, we got into a volcano. It went a little crazy in there. Let me tell you all about it.

It is very, very funny that there is just this running gag throughout it. Is his story a perfect mirror of your story? More or less, yeah. Oh, okay, I enjoyed that especially. He is having almost the same journey, and Mario is just completely uninterested It's also just a parody of like the Mario like format in general of like how repetitive it can be

so I like that's where I think this game soars and you need to kind of Be into the like vibe that is giving out, like, having more fun with the Mario format than most more Mario games do. There's a moment where, even in the first dungeon, there's a moment where you meet, like, another character, a Koopa named Koops, and he's running through and he's looking for his dad, who's been missing, uh, his dad went to explore this dungeon.

And you run into some bones and Koops is like, my dad! And reads like a, and you run into some bones, and Koops is like, my dad! And reads like a letter, and he's like reading the like last notes of his dead father, who's just like a bunch of bones. And then halfway through the letter he rises, oh, it's just like some other guy. And that's like weirdly fucking dark for a Mario game.

And this game kind of goes there in like cool, risky ways. What I've heard is a lot of the stuff that's in this game was in the original Japanese version of the GameCube game. And then when they westernized it, they like sanded off a lot of it. There's even like a very clear cut trans storyline that was in the original GameCube game that got completely removed,

dealing with like a pretty major character, and that was injected back in for this re-release. So I think it is... I think it's just riskier with VIP than they've ever really been and ever have been since. Like, most of these games do not take swings, just in terms of like, the edginess that this game does.

Yeah, it is enough for me, for me it is enough to balance out some of the pacing issues. Like, obviously I would be, I'm enjoying this game a lot, I'm probably gonna finish it. I really, the backtracking that is required is quite onerous and the- They made it a little better, but it is still onerous. Yeah, yeah, I've heard they've improved the fast travel system, but it's still not amazing. And things like the unskippable kind of slow text, that stuff is made better by the fact that

I wanna keep seeing what the new area's going to be and I genuinely enjoy the humor in a lot of the dialogue. Yeah, I don't know, I'm liking it. I do wish it moved a little bit. I do wish it trucked a little bit faster, but you know. Justin, I know for you. Back in my day, Griffin, we just made do with it

whatever pace we got, and we liked it. We were just happy to have something to distract us from dodgeball, because that's the only other entertainment we had as children. Wait, I wanted to ask, did anybody try playing it with their children? Because I did try that, and it did not go great.

The pacing issues were not something that my seven-year-old was willing to stomach. This is the thing that I loved most about this game. Mozi loves watching the Mario RPGs on YouTube. He has a YouTube session every couple days and he's been asking for these games, like just bonkers. He found them through like, they have those all boss videos on YouTube, which I don't know if any

of you have been sucked into that thing where it's like, Mario, all bosses, only bosses. Um, but then we went back in and started watching these. So once he discovered that I could play it on the Switch, he just like literally sat on my neck on our couch and just chilled with me. And like, I read through the game and he was, he was really, really vibing with it.

Um, we did most of that first dungeon with that, which made it honestly go by much, much, much faster. Um, I think it's like, it's very silly. Um, it's very, can you believe that a Mario got stepped on? Um, which, you know, for a six year old is real sweet spot humor. Um, and I, and I love whenever you get that experience where, I don't know, you're, you're playing the game with the target audience. That was the thing that kept running through my head while I was playing it.

I said, you know, baby's first RPG. This is an RPG for kids. Um, and it's cool that like we as adults can enjoy it too. But it reminds me a little bit of the Star Wars dilemma sometimes, where we approach these things and are like, why aren't they entertaining to me in this adult way? And the answer is, they're made for people under the age of 15 is why.

I thought about that. It apparently means. Well, I thought that, no, it doesn't mean we can't, again, it doesn't mean we can't like them. It just means like sometimes we have to remind ourselves Nintendo games are made for kids. I think about this with Kirby games, which I had like really fallen off of, or Yoshi games, which I had fallen off of. And when I started playing them with my son, it was like, oh yeah, the reason I don't appreciate these is because I don't want the same things that a six-year-old wants from a video game.

I think why people wish for that is because there are instances, and they're very rare, but there are instances where two heads can be served by that. Oh, 100%. Nintendo's better at it most. So like Kirby and the Forgotten Tomb, or whatever that game was called, is an instance where this is a game that works both for kids and adults equally.

So I think there are people kind of striving for that, but that is such a rare commodity that when it comes up, it's like kind of once every few years kind of thing, rather than every release. Yes, and I think it's especially tricky with something like a Mario RPG, which would just by nature of its existence seem to be trying for both, right? RPG we think of as a genre for at least older kids.

Moderate grown-ups. Yes. Justin, there was actually one thing that I was curious about. I know there was a game that you latched on to last year, and that game was called... Sea of Stars. Sea of Stars, thank you.

Sea of Stars, yeah, there's definitely a line between the two. Like, Sea of Stars is a more, probably robust, you know, from a gameplay perspective, because we've got a lot of time in between there, 20-some years, but I think you can definitely see the connective tissue between the two. Yeah, for sure. It's cool. Okay, after the break, a lot of time in between there, 20-some years, but I think you can definitely see the connective tissue between the two.

Yeah, for sure. It's cool. Okay, after the break, we are going to be taking you into the not E3, that is Summer Games Week. All the latest news, all the most explosive game, DLC reveals, it's all coming, and we're gonna predict it all. We'll tell you exactly. You think you know how Jeff is spelled, you'd be wrong. You'd be wrong, and we're gonna predict it all we'll tell you exactly you think you know how story spelled

You'd be wrong. You'd be wrong. We're gonna reveal all of his secrets right after the break It starts with a G like games. It's fucking perfect. It's easy to remember All right, I'll be honest these have gotten increasingly difficult for me to do since I have no longer in the game journalism industry and have very little clue what is going on. So I'd love to hear from you, anyone but me about this. So I've heard two rumors, one which I think is like well known, one which I don't. The one that's well known is that there's a new doom game coming and it's set in the middle ages and it is going full on heavy metal album cover inspiration.

That was happening. Which is. That sounds very good to me. It, it sounds so good. It's one of those pitches that just right away you're like, wow, we only went up one floor on the elevator, but I'm ready to get off and start playing that game. That sounds sick. The other one that I've heard is that the new Dragon Age game

is more God of War in nature than it is RPG in nature. Dread worm? What is it? Dread wolf. Dread wolf. Yes. And this one, again, take with a big ass great assault. But if it does go that direction and it is more of an action game, two things.

One, who knows? Maybe it kicks ass. Maybe that is exactly what we want. It's not like the combat in those games was my favorite part of those games. But two, what a great reminder of how video game development is just weird as hell where you start a project, you know, six years ago and you're like, you know what people are dying for? Action RPG.

People don't like complicated RPGs. Nobody would ever play a more complicated RPG. We gotta go action, action, action, action. And then, um, and then Baldur's Gate comes out a year before your game. But I, yeah, those are my two, I bet we see those. I mean, I wanna know, like, are we gonna see, like, all of those Microsoft exclusives that they've been promising forever and just like keep not like fatal. I think weird vibe there, huh? I feel like it's gonna be weird regardless.

I feel like Microsoft especially has got to come out with like enough positive like I kind of feel like it's a little bit of a make or break for Microsoft. The way they handle like this week, I feel like it's a little bit of a make or break for Microsoft. The way they handle, like, this week, I feel like it's a real fine line to walk. I don't know that they have enough, like, in the tank to shift the narrative in a way that... Yeah, Plank, what were you going to say? I think they think that they have an ace in the hole. I think. And I think that that is an Xbox handheld. I think they have gears also, but I think we see like one of two things. I think we either see an

actual Xbox handheld or we see an Xbox layer that can go onto all these windows handhelds. One or the other, maybe both. But I feel Spencer, I mean, even when I spoke with him a couple months ago is like handhelds, the thing he wants to talk about. And I think in terms of like what a console is for Xbox moving forward, there isn't much of a story for them of having a traditional video game console, they have kind of said it would be impossible for them to catch up with Sony and Nintendo that the install base is not there for them because people get locked into their libraries. So they're gonna go if they're gonna keep doing this handheld seems like the route for them again,

it'll make sense because of game pass because right now, even if you have a Windows handheld, getting Game Pass games to run well isn't like the easiest thing in the world. Like you're still dealing with kind of clumsiness with regards to running it. You don't have that SteamOS very smooth experience. Is there a Windows handheld that people are liking? I've- In the Rock Alley, right? The the wrong ally I'll hear about yeah terrible I heard people

know I like it it got so hot it ejected people's SD cards they address that you guys are using wrong ally you guys I've heard it's very good I like almost a year before I so for it ejected his SD card before I blew that Steam Deck card through my hand Like there's never is there a reason to have one and not a Steam Deck? Well, it is moderately more powerful and it runs Windows So there are games like if you have a lot of games epic game store games or whatever or destiny or it had a better Screen and chill to OLED yeah I get listen if you're willing to be a click click a few keys hook a few keyboards up to a few

You can get a lot of nasty stuff Give it a little time Yeah, I agree. I also know that's actually a good segue because we have a reader mail Need a crystallized picture of this thing I don't think that Microsoft wants to be in the hardware business more, right? Like, I don't think they want to double down on that. I think it makes more sense that it's a standard,

like the 3DO, right? Here's the possibility where they might want to be in the hardware business. The cool thing about handhelds right now is you can sell a chip that's 10 years old at like a premium if it's in a handheld. So you can kind of make a decent profit off of it. And if it's super easy for people to just jump in

and play games on your platform, it keeps those people in your platform. See SteamOS being like the perfect example. Yeah, the example that I think Frusher's gonna give from our comments and this is from a thread we did on patreon is Steve B said there's a rumor about a handheld PlayStation that plays ps4 games But I really think they'd be better off making a handheld ps3 Most of the best ps4 games are on Steam already

But Metal Gear Solid 4 Red Dead 1 Ratchet and Clank future trilogy But Metal Gear Solid 4, Red Dead 1, Ratchet & Clank, Future Trilogy, OG Demon Souls, and more are all not on Steam. That's an interesting point about the PS3. I don't agree. I agree. It's hard to play those games. I think if Sony comes out with a handheld

and it doesn't run PS4 games, they are dead in the water. There's no scenario where that works for them. It's really cool for us and Steve. If you sold a handheld thing that was like the same idea as those, you know, Atari, or even the PS Mini, you know, that kind of thing. The NES class NES. The idea of doing one of those as a handheld,

I think could do really well. If you released a handheld PS3 that could play, like that had all the ones that they have access to that you could buy for like an affordable bundle, right? Maybe 40 games from the PS3 library that are just there and you can maybe get more for real cheap as DLC. That could be a model that I feel like could be really powerful because you're able to resell all this stuff. And I would be kind of into that. a model that I feel like could be really powerful because you're able to resell all this stuff. And I would be kind of into that. PS3 is hard to do like that, though, right?

Because there's certain stuff about the PS3 like hardware infrastructure, the cell architecture that is like nearly impossible to simulate. It's why PS3 games are like tough to emulate on a... We put a man on the moon. Yeah, fair. We can make a small PS3. They could still do even a PS2. A lot of these things are people, they buy them and then they never play them and they're happy.

I mean, think about like all of the handheld emulators y'all have, come on. I play them all every day. Yeah. I play every one of them every day. I do wanna address the point that Justin made because I think- Plant's right.

As much as the like pre-installed games thing definitely has a market, I think the more interesting thing for Sony is Having a device that a runs ps4 games and B connects to the internet because then you can have your library like you can with steam OS and people Feel like more ownership over their PlayStation library and that it keeps in it It keeps them in the ecosystem in the way that it does for Steam OS. So I think that would be my guess, something that is either PS4 or PS4 Pro powered level

that can run basically everything. Is this something that's rumored or are we just like spiraling now? I think there are slight rumors about it. I think the fact that Sony released that insane remote play only handheld shows you that they are interested in handhelds. It's just like.

They just have no idea how to do it or why. I think they just didn't have the supply for it. Like I think maybe the like guts of it weren't ready or they want to wait until the end of the PS5 life cycle and do this. But I definitely would be surprised. It does kind of feel like, all right, here's the things we can get from China,

a screen and two handles. What can we do with that? This is what we can do. I also, I have an uncle who works at Jeff Keely also who said that Hollow Knight Silksong will be at this one Oh, really your uncle? Yeah It's not Jeff Keely, but he works at Jeff Keely. Okay, okay. It's J. F. J. EFF Jeff K. Lee That's that's exciting. I'm glad that it's not canceled. That's cool.

Fable would be great. Outer Worlds 2 probably at the Microsoft one. Monster Hunter maybe at the Summer Game Fest. I think Capcom's going to be there. I think there's just going to be this big gap because nothing that's going to launch on whatever. The Switch is obviously not going to be there. The Switch 2. So I think there probably are a lot of titles

that will be held back for that, because the Switch 2, I would imagine, will launch with other like multi-platform titles that they want exclusives on. So it feels like it's gonna be a light year, but I'd be happy to be surprised. Yeah. I mean, Nintendo has all of the remasters

that they're gonna just keep pulling, right? And they have some that are already made. They have all those Zelda games just waiting in the wings. Right. Twilight Princess and Wind Waker HD remakes are gonna definitely fill in the blanks. They've been made like for like eight years. I know. We've been rumoring them.

At ages. I feel like, just to circle back on the Microsoft question for a second, I think that they, the position that is really hard for them from a PR perspective is if they're trying to speak to fans, and I think anything like this, you are, I don't feel like you're really talking to buyers as much as you were with E3 in the Summer Games Fest, right? And you're probably not even talking to the press as much as you were with E3.

It's much more about direct communication with fans. For the, number four, the gamers it for the interest I I think that they they have the hard challenge for Microsoft is every announcement everything that they put out there They have people who are like well You know what I would like to say that if you had made another high-fi rush or perhaps a third arcade or third third dishonored or? All those people all those people got laid off so you could pay for X. I mean, whatever,

because that's where the conversation is at right now. I think that it's a really awkward time to be saying, here are our big new investments. Yeah, anything, right? Like it almost feels like they should just come out and be like, we're figuring it out, we're sorry. We'll talk to you next year. Because like anything feels like in bad taste.

And instead we're gonna get Call of Duty with George Bush. She's just absolutely bizarre. Have you not seen the trailer for this? No. No. Oh my gosh. What's it called? The new Black Ops trailer, they released two and one is like, what if you were the January 6th rioters?

It's like, it's all these people who are like, the truth is actually a lie. We're going to hang up a blindfolds over Mount Rushmore, bro. And then the new I got to say on that topic in particular, logistically speaking, that's pretty impressive. Oh, it is. And definitely just looks like a bad Photoshop, even though it's somehow real life. Hey, what do you hey, can I ask what the fuck do you want from Black Ops? Oh no. Of course it's that, it's gonna be that no matter what. It's gonna be that, but there's also a rumor that they might be putting a certain terrorist attack in this game. Oh yeah, it's

Call of Duty Black Ops guys. Yeah, but I didn't say where it was, so like legal, best use legal department, you don't need to reach out to me. I'm just saying that they started out with a trailer with George Bush in it and like all the political figures of the 90s and they're like, where are we gonna go from here? Where are we going? And it's the, oh, Activision, you are, you are ready.

You've got that Microsoft protection now, you are ready to get into the news cycle. It'll be tasteful no matter what. Yeah, and especially during an election year, I think it's gonna be chill. I think everybody's gonna be really calm about it. I think that what they need to do is the Call of Duty guys need to show up late

for a terrorist attack. And then Blinks comes out and he's like, looks like you all could use some time sweeping. And Microsoft's like, welcome to the X. You know what I mean? Like, this is how we do it now. Could you guys use some help from a brute squad? And then it's like.

That would be, can I say? That would be enough for me. I could forgive the thousands of likelihoods. I could forgive if Soap is like, I don't think we brought enough guns, boys. And then you hear from behind him like, what you're gonna need, a big gun from space. And fucking the chief.

Can you imagine guys? There's the fight finally. Fucking, I came to earth, the flood came to earth, and I need all of my Call of Duty guys that have ever been alive to come back to life Yeah, and we all have to fight them together. Yeah, and it's the flood and And you can floss the other guys who are the other guys we hate the combine Covenant the covenant yeah, they're there with the flood

Sticky grenades and the tip so to recap the teams are the call duty guys Master Chief and blinks the time sweeper Versus the flood the Covenant and the terrorists and brutal and brute force brute force is in there also yes cool Yeah, not brute squad. I said brute squad brute force yeah, and they own the rights to the Battletoads, so we're pretty much covered. Yeah. Well, and the good thing is, after they do commit all these war crimes, they all get back together

and they play a game of Outlaw Golf. Yes. As a prison. Okay, guys, what do you think about this? Now we're being mean. Now it's just needlessly mean. What do you all think about this? It's called Macro Hard Brawlers,

and it's all the Microsoft guys, and they all are in a battle royale against each other, first person shooter style. So you got all of the different Microsoft people, and they're all shooting each other. Yes, right. Scrapped by the ghoulies. They're all in there, yeah,

driven all your favorites. Banjo, banjo. Who's got a better poll? Who's got a more obscure Microsoft poll? I already went too deep. Microsoft was gonna show up, but he was having a bad fur day. There we go, that's a good one.

The great mighty poo, you gotta all team up against the great mighty poo. We should tell people some more games. They're gonna be absolutely. What if Tony Hawk did an ollie over terrorism? Oh! some more games. They're gonna be in this one. What if Tony Hawk did an ollie over terrorism? Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Uh. Gears of War is gonna be there? We feel pretty certain about that. Which one? I guess I gotta play that other Gears of War game that came out.

I know, I know. It was pretty good. Five, right? Y'all, they will announce it. Here's my prediction. They will announce a new Gears of War, and it is gonna go over like a fart in church fucking nobody cares dude nobody there is a die-hard I admit die-hard Gears of War fan base but in terms of like I I

don't know when the last one was nobody does nobody talked about it I don't know how big of a swing they'd need to take to get people excited about Gears of War they can barely get people excited about Halo. And that was the one everybody really, really liked. I think it'd be really hard to get people excited about Gears of War right now. I am happy for the fans though. Like all the people who have Gears of War tattoos

who are continuing to get in this game, happy for them. Cause- Do you have to say with every game, do we need to say we're happy for the people that like it? Plant, is that a necessity? Let me go back retroactively and say with everything we've said if you like it We're happy that you like it. I'm happy for them uniquely because can you imagine how how great you would feel? Imagine me. I've only gotten one Nier Automata, you know, technically Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but like I don't get the game I want every time

So I say this more out of kind of like a passive aggressive I'm happy for you must be nice. Yeah having us Viva pinata stanza over here dying of thirst in the desert that might be the thing We brought him all over here psych we didn't lay off anybody We brought him in house deeper in house deeper to work on a secret. We didn't lay off anybody. We brought them in-house, deeper in-house, to work on a secret Viva Piñata. We have a new studio. They're only making Viva Piñata,

and 1,700 people work there. We're gonna have a new one every three months. And the way they debut it is they have just a giant piñata and they break it open and all the people come out. Kidding aside though, there is an alternate reality where Microsoft didn't fuck up Viva Pinata and it became incredibly profitable for them. There is so much money on the table.

No, I'm not even joking. In an open world connected Viva Pinata. Yes, yes, exactly. There are bonkers money. Take that phrase, rip out Viva Pinata and now put in Crackdown, put in Perfect Dark, put in Conquer. No, I mean, it's a great point that if they had kept

making good games in the series, it would continue to be a good series. It's almost as well-observed as, we're very happy for the people that like the things. We're all bringing a lot of heat to it today, Plant. You're right. Now, I might be down, if they did a Gears with a Battle Royale structure. More rail grinding.

No, I'm serious. Just mobility. You're talking about mobility. No, I'm saying like a hundred Gears of War guys. Yeah. And a hundred of the bad guys. You wouldn't play that. You wouldn't play that.

I'd be happy for the people that liked it. The problem is it would still feel like a gears game, right? It's gotta be faster. They gotta increase the speed 300%. Just take some of that armor off. You don't need all that armor. That is, that's very true. Maybe that's what they'll do. Maybe they'll finally make it like fun to get around. Asymmetrical multiplayer could be cool. If they really went. Did they do that?

They have, but more? By asymmetrical you mean like Fresh can play and you don't have to and then we can talk about it on the show. Ha ha ha! Hey, we got a few more guesses from folks. So this one's interesting. I don't know why they would be interested in this.

Mekra Pear Guy says. I thought that was the game that was being predicted was Mekra Pear Guy. That's awesome. Fuck, that's good! Yeah. Mechropair Guy's prediction is Titanfall 3 with a rocking campaign in a PvE mode. I mean, I can't imagine why Mechropair Guy would be invested in that. Yeah, right. I like how the prediction is like this thing I want and also it's got two, both of the parts of it are there and very good. Yes. Uh, Daniel, Daniel Nielsen said,

honestly don't know what I want, something new at least. I'm so tired of the sequels and remasters of games that I have played multiple times. Gosh man, I mean, there's so much happening at Summer Game Fest, we have focused so much on just Microsoft, but that is sort of where I am. That's where I'm thinking about, just because of the news from them lately.

How many games, how many new games have they announced that never happened? I mean, that's what's hard about it. I feel like, from Microsoft especially, maybe the others too, to a certain extent, but like, I feel like at this point, if you're announcing something new, I'm not convinced it's gonna come out.

Right. I'm not, and I think in this current climate, if you're expecting a lot of like wild swings, I think we'll see a lot more safe bets. It's like a Kickstarter launch at this point, like it might happen. Counterpoint. Exactly. I guarantee you 50, 50 new games,

brand new games never been played are going to be shown. Oh god Oh, yeah, for 50s finally you have oh 50 Get ahead of our I think about UFO 50 once a week no shit I'll go look at the page you'd be like whatever happened with UFO 50 I'll go I am going to be playing UFO 50 in like a week and a half. It doesn't mean it's coming out. Can we explain what UFO 50 is for people like me who had to do the little one? No, it's all you, Fresh. This is your baby.

Okay, so Derek Yu, creator of Spelunky, and a bunch of other names including the creator of Downwell and other names, whom I'm blanking on, basically united to make one game that has 50 games in it. And each of the games... Yeah, with the concept that this is a forgotten console. Right. Kind of like a Pico 8 mentality behind it. And so it's 50 games in there, and the games they've described as like not quite the size of like a quote AAA NES era game, but pretty close to that. And there are 50 of them,

which just from like a sheer design accomplishment is, well, explains why the game has been delayed for like 10 years. When it was first premiered at the bottom of the trailer, it said coming in 2018. No, wow, sheesh, man. So I'm skeptical that it'll actually happen, but at this point, I mean, Derek, as far as I'm aware,

hasn't been working on anything apart from this after Sponky 2 launched, so it seems like it could happen. And I'd be really excited. Yeah, that'd be wild. That is cool. One last thing, because I wanna to inspire some Sony ideas here. Oh yeah. Sony, I don't think that they have any big stuff for this year.

I feel like Sony's slate is pretty clear for the next two or three years, right? If I'm Sony, I kind of feel like keep a firm hand on the rudder and just let Microsoft kind of throw themselves into the ground, man. Microsoft's doing a really good job of messing up their own business without Sony trying to play too much offense. That's fine, but after Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, like I don't know what the next PS5 game

that's coming out that I'm like pretty stoked for is. And it's, I mean... I think that Wolverine game will be good, but that's probably two years out. It's a while. We are in... I feel like we are very much, and this has probably been observed by other people patrolling this, but I feel like right now we are in the COVID slump. I feel like right now is where it has just caught up, right? That gap, that several month gap

where nothing was happening. I feel like we're now like in, I feel like we're feeling the After Effects from that at this point, the hardest, I don't know. I think it's also, we're in this slump of these are the games, there was a lot of games that were green lit when Fortnite hit it big.

And now we're past those games. And a lot of those studios closed because they can't compete in this post-Fortnite world. And so now there's kind of, I mean, we're relying on like very great small developed titles like the Blotches of the World. And we will never go back to a period where there will be a ton of AAA games

because in this world where people just play one game for the entire year, there's no room for it. We're also feeling it especially acutely because Sony's slate is pretty empty. Microsoft has, I mean, shit the bed entirely. And Nintendo is kind of in this sort of holding pattern until the Switch 2 gets announced. And so like when all the major platform heads

have trickled to a stop, like it really drives home the famine that we are experiencing. I mean, I can't say that, because this year I feel like has been pretty good in terms of like, a lot of great stuff has, because this year I feel like has been pretty good in terms of like, a lot of great stuff has come out this year, but yeah, looking at the, just looking at-

It's just the Dark Horse stuff, stuff that we didn't see coming, which I think will continue through the rest of the year, and will make like, Game Awards really interesting, because I think like, you could see three or four Indies in Game Awards, like, as for Game of the Year. Absolutely, yeah. But yeah, it's weird.

It's like, if E3 was still around, and I guess this is like the analog for E3 now, like, I don't know, that, I went to a couple E3s where it felt like, okay, everybody's just kind of waiting for next year, right, when we're gonna announce the Xbox Series X and the PS5. Like, we're all just kind of, we're all agreed that we're all just kind of waiting until next all agreed that we're all just kind of waiting

until next year. It does feel like that, yes. Yeah. Sega might come out with a, didn't Sega last Summer Game Fest isn't that one? They were like, hey, by the way, we're remaking all our old shit. Like we're doing a new crazy taxi.

We're doing a new- It was more recent. Yeah. We're doing a new, like it would be cool to see them come through with some of that stuff because frankly, weirdly Sega has become one of the most exciting publishers out there. Sega and Chapcom are the two that I'm constantly really plugged into.

And we have Metaphor Re-Fantazio coming out. Yeah, sure. It's not like, you know... Does Switch have anything this year? I mean, other than... Well, there's a Nintendo Direct that's coming in June. Really quick to wrap up the Sony part of this. Julia in our comments said, dream announcement is Bloodborne going to PC.

And I feel like all of us would be pretty happy with that. I had that thought today of like, I wanted to play a Dark Souls game on my Steam Deck and I was like, what was the one that had that really cool part? And then I was like, oh shit, that was Bloodborne, which is only on PS4 still. That would be nice, someday.

But yeah, Nintendo, it's gonna be a breather year, right? It's gotta be a breather year. I mean, they've got Luigi's Mansion 2, the remake, and as Plant alluded to, they'll probably have a couple more remakes coming this year. This is going to be the worst year of Nintendo games. I mean, since I think I never played Luigi's Mansion two, so I'm fucking psyched for that game. And also, once they announce arms, go play it today.

Then us go get it. I don't have a three. Yes. Lying around. Go get one. If you like it so much. I don't know if I like it, I'm excited. Are you disagreeing with the point, or you're like, I'm excited for this thing because I didn't play it?

I'm disagreeing with it personally because there are a few Nintendo classics that came out in like the Wii U or 3DS era that I just never played. And so if I can play them now, I'm happy with it. But I think for most people, you're right. It is a very light year for Nintendo, but it's been like that for the last, like,

two or three years, it's been pretty light. Yeah, also, we Nintendo... I mean, I think there was a new Zelda game last year, right? Was there a new Legend of Zelda game? Yeah, they did okay. It'd be like, aw game. Yeah, I'm sorry to clarify. I think aw game that is one of the best games ever made

would actually be better than no games Other than the busted broken down joint russ is so excited about I gotta check the chalkboard and see if that math works out We need to know gets back into the corner at the end of the lifecycle is also when it releases just weird-ass shit and the Virtual console at the end of the Wii that was golden era. It was hey You want to play sin and punishment that game we never brought over Japan here. It is so when mother guys rise there is a new Star Wars game coming exclusively to Star Wars outlaws Star Wars hunters. Oh, that is a MOBA that is only coming to switch and Android and iOS

on those three platforms, Star Wars exclusive. I am most excited to hear about the Switch 2, which is not going to happen in June. They have basically come out and said, like, you're not going to hear about it during that Nintendo Direct. That's the thing that, like, I don't know, man. I am so fucking stoked to find out what that console is going to be.

Yeah, that's probably a January, if I had to guess. Yeah. January, February. Oh, there's a new Super Monkey Bogus coming out in June. Banana Rumble. That's gonna be a good year. Should we, anybody got honorable mentions? I can do one.

I really didn't think that absolute silence was going to... Henry has gotten seemingly out of nowhere very into Pikmin. Just the idea of them. Just these little plant guys. I did not love Pikmin 4 when I played it. I've never really clicked with this franchise,

but we have been playing Pikmin 4 together. It's good. On Switch. It's great. That's what I'm saying. It's genuinely very good. It's not the kind of thing that I find especially compelling that I wanna sit down and go around

and collect a bunch of garbage to take back to my spaceship. You don't wanna Game Boy SP. I don't wanna Game Boy SP and collect a bunch of garbage to take back to my spaceship. You don't want to Game Boy SP? I don't want to Game Boy SP that a bunch of slow ass little seed men are going to carry around. But he is very, very into it. That game also has a co-op mode that is kind of brilliant

because Pikmin, the core formula of going around and finding Pikmin and then solving these you know, solving these little puzzles and managing them in this very lightweight real-time strategy like way. It's just like a little bit too complicated for where he is at, but he likes to be the pebble pitcher which is the co-op mode is you just have a reticle, you aim at the screen and you can throw rocks at enemies to kill them or throw rocks at Pikmin

to make them move faster. And we have really, really, really been enjoying playing this game together. And it's exciting for me because, I don't know, this is like the one Nintendo franchise that I just never clicked with even a little bit at all. And now I feel like I am finally getting it to the mind of a child size.

I think this is really the only one, if you've never clicked with it, this is the one to play, because the rest of them are like, you just get increasingly more player hostile as you go to the earlier games. Yeah. And they just made it much more approachable. The time travel mechanic in this is the best,

like most child friendly feature ever, where we've gotten into some boss fights where like all of the art pigmen get just devoured or burnt and he gets like upset cause he really likes these little guys. And then it's like, oh, we'll don't, we'll just time travel one minute into the past and everything will be okay.

And we can just try it again. Like there's so- They get their souls back. They get their souls back. They get their souls back. There's so much really, really brilliant stuff here that I feel like is so, so, so kid-friendly and it makes me feel silly for like, I don't know, not giving this game its fair shakes.

Agreed. I wanted to recommend, I watched a four hour long YouTube video this week. Hell yeah. And if you watch only one four hour long YouTube video this week, might I recommend Jenny Nicholson's, the spectacular failure of the Star Wars hotel. It is four hours long, but you're going to enjoy the whole thing. I guarantee Jenny Nicholson, if you don't know is a, is a cultural critic.

I think that that's probably the best descriptor. Um, but she is so sort of like kind, and not kind, it's not the word, fair and open-minded and reasonable, I would say, that when she takes you through the Star Wars Hotel, and this was originally going to be a sort of review of her experience in the Galactic Star Cruiser, and then in the process of that, it got shuttered. This two-day Star Wars-themed sort of like land cruise, basically, this was just an immersive two-day thing. I missed out on doing it, and a lot of people did,

but I'd heard, you know, incredible stuff about it. So this video sort of became a eulogy, or maybe even like a historical document of what the thing absolutely was. It's all the stuff that I had avoided seeing because I thought I'd do it at some point. And watching her go through step by step as to like what her experience was and what other people's experience was, what it could have been. And it's all so well documented and supported with like so much evidence from her experience and just like her own sort of take on it that even though it is a really

long video, I think that it allows her to talk about it with like fairness and kindness. And by the end of it, it's like she's built the perfect enclosure for the thing. Like you step back and be like, that is the most devastating, like she has taken it. It's like she's walked up to the experience and just started taking bricks out. And by the time she's done with the four hours,

it's just a big pile of bricks. It's like, oh yeah, it's completely dismantled. It's like the last scene of the Lincoln lawyer. Exactly like that, Russ. What were you gonna say? Did you guys watch some of this? I watched all of it. It's the perfect thing to watch in like 20 minute chunks basically. What bums me out about these interactive spaces is they're so difficult to preserve, right? And this is maybe the closest we will get

to an act of preservation for this extremely expensive borderline boondoggle that will impact the history of Star Wars, it will impact the decisions at Disney, it will impact how popular LARP can get. Yeah, immersive entertainment. Yeah, it has so much of an impact across all these different spheres of media. And yet there was no way for people, one,

literally, even if you had the money to go experience it now, but even if you had, you know, did go in the past, like it's just lost. So as an act of preservation, I really like this. And I think, I wish we saw more of these for MMOs or other kind of experiences like this where you can't really recreate the experience, but you can recapture it in some way.

Does she go into, or do we know anything about like what Disney is going to do with that? She does discuss it for a bit. Disney hasn't said anything. Josh Tamaro, who's in charge of the parks, says that it will be used for something. I mean, just like a normal resort, right? No.

It doesn't work for that, because it's behind the back of the line. Griffin, watch the video. There's 20 minutes on why it can't be anything else. Yeah, it's like surprisingly difficult to turn it into anything else. By the way, if you watched this one and loved it, her last video, which was a year ago, was ever more the theme park that wasn't,

which is three hours and 45 minutes long, about an immersive LARP botanical garden in Utah that she went to, and a very thorough history of that. She does fantastic stuff. Her video about the church place in the Matic universe is fantastic. You gotta check it out. It's been up for 10 days and 6 million people have watched it

and it's a four hour long YouTube video. I will also say by the way, what I found is that, and Russ I'll be curious if you found the same thing, YouTube is a surprisingly good platform for watching something that long. It is a bajillion times easier to get back into a two hour or four hour long YouTube video than a movie that I'm trying, or like anything of any length.

You jump right back in. Well, it also helps. She structures it in like, again, 10 to 20 minute chapters that allows you to have a breaking off point. And you're obviously saving your progress every time you leave. So yeah, no, it's like the perfect, I'm eating lunch, leave it on, listen to it kind of thing.

A long drive, just prop it up in front of you. Can I? Yeah, great. I would also like to bring up, cause I think it is only timely now, and I'm excited to talk to Juice and whoever else maybe watched it. This season of Survivor, we have mentioned on the show before, is the-

I think it's all time. Yeah, maybe not in terms of like gameplay, like maybe one of the worst seasons of gameplay. Oh yeah, terrible. But the wildest, wildest sort of characters and ending and just the vibe was so fucking peculiar from start to finish. A man named Q at one point breaks Survivor.

He does something in a tribal counselor that fundamentally breaks Survivor so bad that I don't think it recovers for the rest of the season. Like, I think that he does something I've never seen anyone do, and it breaks the entire game. And the rest of it, it feels a little bit like Pirandella's six characters in search of an author, because it's so fundamentally weird from that moment on. It is like no, especially if you've been like a long-term

fan, you watch the wheels come off this motherfucker and Jeff is living for it. Jeff is having a great time this season. There's also a man named Banu who curses God for putting him on Survivor. For putting him on this show. There's a woman named Liz who has a thermonuclear meltdowndown the likes of which I've maybe never seen on reality TV before because she doesn't get to go to Applebee's All this once is the the bourbon mushroom burger from Applebee's by the way PS this woman bragged on the first day about being a

Multi-millionaire who does not need to win. I've never seen anyone do that either, it's wild. Definitely not, I think that was all strategy because near the end she's like, yeah, I guess I didn't need to win because I'm a millionaire. Millionaire. Yeah, sure. No, the-

Oh, my favorite meal, Applebee's. Applebee's. She wants that bourbon mushroom burger. The producers do an amazing thing which she does not get the burger. Other people get the Applebee's meal and they fill these people up with every ounce of Applebee's food

they can possibly find. They give them the fries, they give them the apps. They give the Oreo shake. They give them everything. And then at the end, they bring out that burger and they're like, I can't eat the burger Throw away Liz's favorite burger And then they come back and they tell Liz the story of how it happened of how they watched people throw those

Burgers probably not in the trash. I bet out on an island It is not too hard to find someone who will eat the hamburger absolutely no problem. It's it's fucking it's unbelievable I would not like if you have not watched survivor in a while. I actually wouldn't start with this season I would watch one of the maybe more solid throughout new era seasons of survivor But once you have a little bit of context for new season of survivor is I will never forget some of the shit that happened on it, They are also in the new era, which is people have been using that. It feels like a fan thing that kind of became a-

It's everything after 40, right? A show thing. It's everything after COVID, basically. Like everything after COVID. They're taking a lot more chances with the editing and the production of the show to inject it with some more fun. You see a lot more like slice of life goofy stuff.

Like there's a great sequence early on where one of the guys on one of the teams is a huge Taylor Swift fan and the other is like a- A Metallica fan. A rock fan. A rock fan in general, but like they go back and forth naming songs as a way of like to see who can name the most songs, the other artists. And it goes on for hours cause they have nothing else to do. And everybody else on the way of like, to see who can name the most songs, the other artists, and it goes on for hours,

because they have nothing else to do. And everybody else on the beach is like, this fucking sucks. But by the time they hit like 80 songs each, everyone's like, come on, Ben, come on, Ben, you got this. It's the most entertaining thing happening there. They play hide and seek at one point, just for fun. Just, yeah, right.

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and making it all happen. What we got going on next week? You're asking me? Oh, we got- It's in the rundown, so. Prince of Persia is back. You're asking me? What? We got, we got. I mean, it's in the rundown, so. Prince of Persia is back. Guys, what?

Okay, listen, I'm so excited because I got a message from Frustick and he's like, hey, here's code for Prince of Persia, rogue Prince of Persia, Prince of Persia rogue? It's called Rogue Prince of Persia, yes. What is that? The Rogue Prince of Persia. It's a rogue Prince of Persia. They just did a Prince of Persia rogue? It's called Rogue Prince of Persia, yes. What is that? The Rogue Prince of Persia. It's a rogue Prince of Persia. They just did a Prince of Persia game. That was a search action Prince of Persia.

This is a rogue Prince of Persia. Guess who made this one? Me? The people who made Dead Cells. It's the people who made Dead Cells. Oh, not me at all. They have a straight up Dead Cells Prince of Persia game over here.

Why did they do two of these games in two months? It's the question of the year. Why did they do another one of these? Like right away? It's different. Yeah, no, I'm not complaining. It's good. It's good. I can't get a Fable. I can get two Prince of Persia's in a week. Maybe that's what Microsoft's gonna do. They're gonna be like, you're not getting one Blinkz. You're getting two Bl blinks. Two! Oh, and we're also doing a Prince of Persia. Yeah. Everybody gets, I feel like they went to two different teams, right, that had to be it.

They went to two different teams, like what would you do with Prince of Persia? It is literally two different teams. I know, but like, they thought one wasn't gonna happen. Right, right. Hey, we'll do two, one of these is definitely. It was a bake sale. I wonder if one took a lot longer

than it was supposed to, or is it canonically? Is it narratively the same? No. I mean, does any of the Prince of Persia like have a canonic? I mean, when they're released within weeks of each other, one hopes.

This does look a lot like Dead Cells, which I am- Yeah, it's extremely Dead Cells. Not complaining. Very cool. What if people want to hear additional episodes? Is there a place that they could hear on patreon maybe is there? Yes, I can get a patreon.com slash the besties Yeah, I wanted to and they could hear about some new indie games I think fresh and I talked about 11 of them including one

Where you can fry eggs for people in Antarctica and let me tell you delight Sounds great. Sounds great. Not since mech repair guy not since a mech repair simulator 2024. I'm saying guys There's something there. It's a good game. Someone could make it. It's free Be sure to join us again next week for the besties because should the world's best friends pick the world's best games Besties!