The Bugle - Bonus: Frogs, Seagulls and Bees

Episode Date: May 12, 2024

What do the UN think about climate change (clue: ouch), plus animal news, lots of animal news.All previously unheard moments from The Bugle, with Nish Kumar, Alice Fraser, Hari Kondabolu, Ahir Shah, Anuvab Pal and Al BarrieThis episode was presented and written by:Andy ZaltzmanAlice FraserAlastair BarrieNish KumarHari KondaboluAnuvab PalIan SmithAhir ShahAnd producer by Chris Skinner and Laura Turner Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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In brighter news the United Nations has said we've now only got two years to save the planet. Probably still not quite enough of a deadline, until it's in the 10-15 minute mark. I don't think our politicians and our business leaders are going to really take it quite as seriously as they might. Simon Steele, the UN's climate chief, warns that global warming is slipping down politicians agendas and that is assuming that any of our politicians still have agendas because the literal meaning of agenda is things that need to be done, that's doing stuff. Now a word they should be using rather than agenda is things that need to be said. Now what's the Latin word for to say? Let me just go back through my mental

rolex, that's dicere, so not agenda but dicenda, dicenda, my mental roller that's a dick array so not a gender but dick dick and dick ender dick ender that does seem more appropriate so who says who says your degree was a waste of time not me but that's um you know and you know if you want to you know if you can find a better Latin syntax what do you know about dick Enders? On a podcast this week, well done. So, two years two years two years two years to save the planet

It's been a very circumcision heavy show this week If I know people and I do know some people that means we have no time to save the planet. They say, scientists are saying that halving climate damaging greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 is what we need to do if we want to prevent catastrophic rises in temperature. It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. It would involve some people giving up some stuff, specifically 20 groups, 20 economic powers that make up

80% of the world's greenhouse emissions would have to stop trying to make a million dollars a second. It's just absolutely not going to happen. Think of the influences. How are they going to review items from Amazon if we all have to downsize our emissions? How is Shell Oil meant to keep quadrupling its murder rate of babies? We need to just accept it's not going to happen and start buying waterproof hats and kayaks that float on lava. Yeah, I mean it's good news for the kayak industry. This is one of the things that, you know, there's not a lot of balance in environmental coverage. And we like to be balanced on the bugle, so we should say that there are still some people

who believe the entire environment is a hoax, or that it's exaggerated, and we actually only need a little bit of the environment like a nature park somewhere or this idea that as you say global warming will benefit humanity in a lot of ways great news as you say for the kayak industry also there'll be much less area of the sea covered by ice caps so that's more room not just for kayaks but also for billionaires to tootle around in their mega yachts. All that spending of course trickles down and benefits local economies, but good luck finding a f***ing polar bear that will say thank you to a Russian oiler gawk. And also we'll have much more efficient shipping routes directly across the North Pole,

saving on fuel and benefiting the environment. Also, once more of Canada becomes inhabitable it should be able to take, let me just do the maths, a lot of land there based on the population density of Toronto it should be able to take about 8 billion people. So basically everything's gonna be, it's good news for ice hockey fans as well it's gonna make the Canadian... At last we'll inch for the Titanic. Much more competitive. So, um, so yeah, there are good things There's good things from there and we have to say that. Exactly. The problem with being in the UK and reading

this news is they're talking about it slipping down the government's agenda. We don't have a government, okay? Gone fishing while I still can. We've got a building building but unfortunately all the rooms just have signs on them saying gone fishing. Okay The idea that Specifically to view this through the prism of the British Populist the idea that it's slipping down the agenda suggests that there is an agenda Whereas at the moment the only thing on our government's agenda is find a job for when we all get sacked. It's very very difficult. Last year there was a big COP28 summit in Dubai which had 84,000 people attending, all flying in, not helpful, but of those people, 2000 were fossil fuel lobbyists.

And I have to say, are we coming to a point where it is not a good idea to invite the people you're legislating against to your party? I just wonder if that might be stymieing our ability to actually make conclusive policies that might actually reverse the effects of climate change. If everyone, if every time it gets brought up in a meeting room, one of the 2000 out of 84,000 people attending just goes, ah, ah, ah, ah, talk about something else, ah, ah. I don't know what lobbyists do, but I assume it's that.

I suggest we do a Kickstarter and all of us together fund a lobbyist to represent the interests of the people. That. Right. I think what we need is to harness AI and allow political lobbying on behalf of people from the future using AI lobbyists. That is the only possible way. Also a new law, we need more eclipses. I think that would help. That eclipse actually did quite a lot in terms of... I mean, Andy, you say getting AI to represent the interest of the people from the future as satire, but that is literally what the rebels and effect of altruist movement went down. it down after you to... does that stack up? Let's say yes. Also a new law so that politicians are cryogenically frozen when they leave office and then brought back to life for one year

every 25 years so they can see what their true legacies are before being re-frozen for the next 24. And I think then you might have politicians acting with a little bit more long term strategy. Finally, Pitt the Elder would come to see that his bath shitting was frowned upon. In many ways, that was just Pitt's pre-emptive metaphor for how we've treated the planet, so he deserves a lot of credit. for how we've treated the planet so he deserves a lot of credit. Obviously the end of the world is not nearly as important as domestic politics in the UK and the good news reached us here in this blessed land that Rishi Sunak's Rwanda scheme is alive and not at all well. I discussed it with Alice Fraser and Alistair Barry.

Mr. Barry. Let's just quickly touch on this. We talked about Rishi Sunak trying to find some good news to put to the public. His bizarre Rwanda scheme is now underway and the exciting news for this country is that one migrant has been sent to Rwanda, albeit not quite under the scheme the government has been promoting. He went after receiving a £3,000 payment inducement bribe to voluntarily go to Rwanda. So one migrant has gone. It's not entirely clear how offering people £3,000 if they turn up then leave will dissuade people from turning up. But look, politics is like God, it moves in mysterious ways,

and most people don't really believe in it anymore, and even many of those that claim to believe in it are only saying so for show. But anyway, one migrant has been ruinedered, and let me just check the latest. Yes, all the trains are now running on time, good quality social housing has sprung up in quite literal droves around the country, funding for social care, mental health, youth services, education and yeah everything else has rocketed up but I'm going to say 364 percent. Queen Victoria is back from the dead. Communities are once again joyously, communally singing harmoniously in the streets just like they used to in all the old musicals and England has won the Euro 2024 football tournament already. So it is kind of working, you have to give Sunak credit for that. I mean, it's a sign of the future.

I remember back in the day when you had to Rwandan things by putting a pencil in and turning it around. I'm just thrilled to have been here at the inception of the word Rwandan as a verb. I think it's a tremendous linguistic development. He volunteered. I mean, he was already found to be an illegal immigrant. He was going to get kicked out anyway. And someone went, we give you three grand, can we say it was Rwanda? And he went,

I mean, further to the Elon Musk flag idea for holidays, I've got a cunning way to raise more money, which is I'm perfectly prepared to be deported to Rwanda for 3000 pounds. I will make no arrangements to have any settled status in Rwanda, which means they will send me straight back. I think I can probably do the round trip in under 24 hours and walk away with £3,000 and I'm absolutely delighted to get on board. I mean it's all a question of stats isn't it, that if you just count everyone leaving the country to go on holiday as an asylum grunt being kicked out of the country, then the government is doing a very, very good job, I think.

Well, I mean, basically they did this sending of the one man back in order to distract from the fact that the Home Office had been sending thousands of asylum decision letters to the wrong addresses, giving a new meaning, I assume, to the phrase, return to sender. But they're not only sending these letters to the wrong addresses, they're also misclassifying children as adults. So on Soonac's watch, the government will go to the wrong house to attempt to deport a child who's being wrongly classified as an adult. It just feels like again we can all be going on holidays on this, just say that you're a large man from somewhere you're not meant to be from.

The technology being used for this, the Home Office are sending letters. I mean the idea that anyone could slip through the net of the Home Office and the UK Postal Service. I mean this is our great war. It's visible from space visible from space. I mean they should just start using agencies that might have some sort of effect taking people overseas. Jet 2, Ryanair even I feel Ryanair would be a much more effective asylum policy than anything they appear to be using. What was interesting as you say Alice they they had the the misclassified children, sent letters, obviously, with a penny black on the full scab envelope.

But at the same time, they were doing that performative cruelty thing the day before the local elections of dawn raids on asylum seekers, just and playing to the lowest common denominator as they often do, and f***ing it up again everywhere you look I was actually I went to do some shows overseas last week in Athens and I came back and every E-Gate in the country in the UK was down so the queue at Stansted was like two hours when it's normally nothing like that and I tweeted this and I honestly I got this the amount of vitriol

I got this is nothing to do with brexit and I had to go I didn't say it was I just said This is shit. We can't do anything in this country. Although I didn't add to that that you do think any country incompetent enough to think Brexit was a good idea. You shouldn't be trusted with cutlery. Let alone e gates Rwanda or anything else that might be difficult Uh in other political news, uh, well political news, well exciting times for cricket fans. The former England cricketer Monty Panasar, who took 167 test wickets for England, played a key role in England's extraordinary test series victory in India late in 2012. Very fine cricketer, is to stand as a parliamentary candidate for

George Galloway's Workers' Party. I mean, I'm not sure that taking 167 test wickets and playing that key role in one of England's greatest ever series victories, and even despite a lack of prowess for the bat, somehow batting for over half an hour to save a crucial Ashes test against Australia in Cardiff, ultimately paving the way for England to win that series in 2009. Is that enough to be an MP? Well by modern standards, yes, it's more than enough, but I'm not entirely convinced by it.

Now I've met Monty Panasar a few times. He had a perfectly rhythmical classical left arm spinners bowling action. But that is not the same as having a detailed nuanced grasp of international politics, sadly. And this was perhaps revealed when he claimed that the Workers' Party he's standing for wanted to leave NATO in order to curb illegal immigration, which isn't strictly an issue for NATO as a military alliance, or even unstrictly an issue for NATO. Although... There's a political sentence that's certainly a googly, right? He was a fingerspin, he didn't have any mystery deliveries.

He bowled, you know, he had an arm ball, he's very consistent, got a good dip on the ball, big strong fingers, got a lot of turn, but he didn't actually bowl a googly, Alice. So you're blaming it on the pitch then? That joke is struck from the record. Well I think you'll find that disguising left as right is a slightly googlyish thing to do. There was a wonderful article on it in the Times that towards the end as well he did come over as very much the sort of you know it's all about the billionaires the problem is the billionaires and people working hard in this country the billionaires I had taxed them and it was an all working man anyway on and on.

It was like two paragraphs of it. Then at the bottom, he just said, he's also called for cease firing Gaza. And you thought, well, my favourite thing in the entire article was actually wrote in the magazine, Panasar, who has never voted. And you go, well, that's where we are. You're clearly overqualified. who has never voted. And you go, well, that's where we are. You're clearly overqualified.

Yes. But then, you know, we look at it saying, you know, to leave NATO to curb illegal immigration. I guess by leaving NATO, Britain would become much more likely to be successfully invaded by, for example, Putin's Russia or looking further ahead of Trump wins in November, Gilead or by aliens or by vegetable hyper-evolved cod or by Britain hating Godzilla. So who would want to come to a country that's about to be invaded?

So no one. Leave NATO. Problem solved. Caused. So anyway, as the old political saying goes, a problem caused, there's another problem shelved. And as the follow-up political saying goes, the problem shelved, there's basically a problem solved, as long as it stays off the front page of the newspaper. So you can see he might be on to something, this idea that leaving NATO would help with this issue. But it could be the start of a long parliamentary career. It's obviously unlikely that he's going to win a seat for George Galway's Workers' Party. It could be the start of many unsuccessful parliamentary campaigns for the former England

left armour. It's hard to see him winning any of them. But will he lose 50 election campaigns or will he lose the same election campaign 50 times? And that is the most niche cricket reference I have ever done on The Bugle. I could explain it. It goes back to a piece of commentary that Shane Warne, the great Australian bowler, had about Monty Panasar.

But I don't want to explain it too much because that was purely for me, buglers. And after 16 and a half years of this podcast, I think I've earned the right to have 30 seconds of totally podcast. I think I've earned the right to have 30 seconds of totally pointless, even niche by my standards cricket reference. Metaphor of the century Andy, it was a privilege to be here. Well enough of humans, let's have some animal news now starting with amphibians, let's go alphabetically, with Ian Smith and Anuvabh Pal. alphabetically with Ian Smith and Anuvabh Pal.

Apparently frogs are screaming. They've been freaking out the frogs. Clearly trying to warn us at the end of the world is coming. But they've been doing it silently, inaudibly to the human ear, like sort of an amphibious Cassandra warning us that the end is nigh so they've been freaking out but we can't hear them it's a very kind of British kind of freaking out just doing so inaudibly but apparently more of those scientists who should be doing something better with their time than snooping on amphibians I've discovered that frogs scream. I mean this is, I mean this is,

this is a, as a child of the Muppets generation, this makes me wonder what the internal monologue of Kermit the Frog was. I'm starting to reassess exactly that, you know, that jovial kind exterior. What was he bottling up? it does change the plot to quite quite a few things because we've been looking at frogs they're quite I guess quite sort of cutesy making a little ribbit sound but what they're actually doing is an insufferable deathly scream every other creature but every animal must be looking at humans as if to say,

are these dickheads not winding you up? They're so... Like, they should remake Wind in the Willows, but whenever Toad talks, the ears of the other characters start bleeding. I think I've seen that version. It's a very good version. Also, like, who knew that there was all this geopolitics going on at the ultrasound level? Like there could be a whole Israel-Iran thing going on with noises and missiles being launched

and an iron dome of other animals preventing those noises. And we pass by all of this. Again, mammals, we're the problem. We don't hear any of this, you know, again, mammals were the problem. You know, we don't hear any of this, just walk past it. But there's a whole thing going on. There's a council of the United Nations of Insects meeting discussing Tinder and frogs, these sorts of lunches.

And again, we just were ignorant. That's what we are as a species. But I guess, you know, looking at it, I mean, the frogs are only's what we are as a species. But I guess you know looking at it I mean the frogs are only saying what we're all thinking which is incidentally what you should say to the parent of a baby or toddler who's whaling their head off on public transport it makes everyone feel better about the situation. The specific frog involved are called leaf litter frogs and they were filmed arching their backs and throwing back their heads

and opening their mouths wide. So it's possible that rather than screaming they just scored a goal or were appealing for LBW. We don't know until there's more research into this. So they recorded some audio. I mean even f***ing screaming frogs have got their own podcast these days. But anyway it turns out that this was, as you mentioned, defensive ultrasound, which I think is a tactic that's increasingly popular in the Bundesliga at the moment. But it was some sort of high octane grunge punk version of It Ain't Easy Being Green by the aforementioned KT Frog, Kermit the Frog. Incidentally, Katy Tunstall, the Scottish singer, the KT stands for Kermit the Frog. But that's not really well known. So, yeah, I mean, there's a number

of animals that use these sort of infrasonic and ultrasonic frequencies to communicate. Frogs join bats, whales, rhinos, dogs, pigeons, and cuttlefish, and a few others that you can just add to the list if you want. And we humans can't hear any of it, which makes you think, what the f*** are they saying? We are a naturally hypochondriacal species anyway, we don't need this shit going on behind our backs. This is another opportunity for the 70s comedian version of myself to probably just say that I wish my wife was a frog, something like that. I wish she was working on an ultrasonic frequency, I can't understand.

Another drag of the cigar. Ian, everything comes in cycles, you've just got to bide your time. Yeah, I'm just waiting for my moment. Sounds quite postmodern actually, as a comedic I did. Look, the Indian monsoons they get a lot of frogs every year I see a bunch of these frogs and you know I think a couple of weeks ago I saw a squirrel punch one in the face and now I think I know why you know because someone told me oh the squirrels gonna eat the frog and I'm like no squirrels are vegetarian now I just think it was because he was on a loudspeaker probably in the middle of a Bollywood song and the squirrel just had enough. He just went and just

gave it an uppercut and as you should. Now I know why. Do you remember when there was footage of a sort of riot at a football match and a Newcastle United fan punched a horse in the face? United fan punched a horse in the face. Yeah. Just the confidence to punch a police horse but maybe we're not giving him the respect that maybe that horse was emitting an ultrasonic sound wave that only Newcastle fans could hear. And he was just trying to stop the noise. Yeah, that would explain maybe football fans do have another pitch that is beyond normal human hearing,

which would explain why they all think there's some sort of conspiracy against their clubs. We'll be honest with you. Yeah. That horse that Ian refers to became such a celebrity in the Northeast that years after it retired, when it finally passed away, it got an obituary in the northeast that years after it retired when it finally

passed away it got an obituary in the local newspaper its name was bud right that was a big story yeah wow it was just doing its job he wasn't running around central London it didn't deserve to be punched in the face yeah I mean some of the horses that that would did escape in Central on were wearing t-shirts saying, I am Bud. So there's solidarity there. Beyond the frogs screaming, well, children are also attempting to warn us of the end of the world. And there's a story this week about a British boy who has won one of the few sporting competitions that I was not previously aware of, the European seagull screeching championships. We have, Britain has produced at a prodigious age of nine, the finest seagull screech impersonator

on the entire continent. Obviously as parents we do tend to oversell our children's achievements. Oh, little Tiberish just made a break of 12 at snooker. Brendan Wynn read the blurbs on the back of all the seven Harry Potter books in just a week. Quaplodocus won the interrogator of the week at Junior CIA Club, he's only six and he wiped the electrodes himself. Yeah well my kid can screech like a f***ing seagull so who's winning parent of the decade this decade? It's I mean truly a sensational

Achievement and you know, I certainly know if either of my two children would achieve anything Of this level in the animal screech impersonating world. I would be I'll be so so proud so very proud and It's genuinely an incredible impression You kind of think people are probably gonna to think, what a silly competition this is, but I don't think people understand how prestigious the European seagull screeching competition is.

And to have a nine year old who'd usually be operating in the under 12s leagues to be not just in, you know, under 18 18s but to be doing it in the full European competition against kids from Barcelona and Real Madrid but it's a genuinely incredible impression and what they don't say in the article is he did go a bit too far because he then started stealing everybody's food you've got to get into the part. And you know, as someone who's had to act not being terrified of a horse on Noah's Ark,

you know, you've got to get into that part, and you've got to commit to it. Another way I got into character for the Ark is when I was asked if I could swim before the casting. And at the time I couldn't. But I didn't want to not get the acting part so I just very confidently said yes. And then had to have some adult swimming lessons.

And the first mistake I did is I booked the wrong type of adult swimming lessons. So I was just doing a lot of underwater sex stuff in the first one. But then I found a man who could teach me basic breaststroke, which they did cover in the first five classes as well. I don't take nearly enough classes. There's so much going on in classes. This is the thing. Now gentlemen,

I just want to ask you, you know, I've been a big fan of Britain's imperial power for a very long time. What took you guys so long to win the seagull competition? Well, I guess, you know, seagulls, you get seagulls all over the world. It's one of the more competitive sports. I mean, it's like tennis rather than snooker in that regard. So and, you know, as you mentioned, this kid winning at night when Boris Becker won Wimbledon for the first time I think he was younger than the winner of Junior Wimbledon that year I mean that's the kind of level of prestigious early achievement that we're talking about here with a nine-year-old winning.

My one worry about it though is that what have his parents done to make him this good, this young? When you see those amazing gymnasts at the age of 12 or 13 and you think, well what kind of life have they lived? And to be that good at impersonating a seagull at the age of nine, it makes you think he must have been hot house since the age of like one or two. It seems like Tiger Woods' dad standing over him with swinging golf clubs from when he was a baby I mean with his parents like screeching at him like a seagull from the very moment He came he came out of 10,000 hours of intensive seagull impersonation training. I've probably gone into this So I mean yet it's a great achievement

But I do worry about what legacy of darkness within that it is left And I wouldn't be surprised if we hear from him age of 17 can't look a seagull in the beak anymore. They've a hundred percent got a seagull in his bedroom that he's been asking them to please please get it out. I know this will help you. Well since you enjoyed that bit of animal news now let's have some more with Hari Kondabolu, Ahir Shah and me discussing a perennial bugle favourite, bees. Finally on this week's bugle, bees are evolving into an immortal amphibious hyper species. This is a great concern, we have tracked on the bugle over the last 16 and a half or so years.

The evolutionary race that we find ourselves locked in with numerous other species gradually overtaking us and the common eastern bumblebee is making a huge step forward to becoming the world's greatest species by evolving the ability to survive underwater for a week. Now it might be that it's not just evolved, this might be that it's only been noticed, but I saw a bee last week that had drowned in a puddle. So to me this seems like pretty impressive speed evolution by the bee community. And it does suggest that by the end of next year they will be able to ruin picnics anywhere up to 9,000 meters below sea level. So I mean this is a huge concern. I'm terrified that within my lifetime humans will no longer be top dog on this planet. I mean I feel like, first of all this makes sense why you've never heard a bee talk about global warming. Not concerned, right? I always assumed it had to do with their

conservative politics but in fact it's because it just doesn't concern them. It doesn't affect them. Also, for those of you who are wondering whether drinking honey straight from the bottle every morning increases your chance of survival during an era of global warming and flooding because you would be taking after the bee. It does not. So my morning ritual still has no benefits. I just, which like, right, bees, they're always in the news, right? You can't keep them out

of it. The front page hogs, right? But the bees are always, it's either like, oh, the bees will all be gone by 2030, unless you sign our petition about the bees. And that's really bad. And then it's like, oh, no, but the bees are coming back with a vengeance. And these are very violent bees that will sting you so badly. And then it's like, oh, no, the bees, they're running out again. And now it's like the bees are amphibious. I would just like for the bees to make up their mind as to whether or not they're f***ed. It's constantly like either they're f***ed or they're coming for us. And it's like where do I stand with relation to these bees? There you go. Well thank you for listening to this Bugle sub episode. We will be

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