The Bugle - The Bugle remembers 2024

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

A lot happened in 2024, some of it was very important (Glasgow's Willy Wonka exhibit), some of it less so (the US elections). We pick some highlights. Includes an exclusive unheard sports section with... John Oliver.Please support us, we are entirely listener funded: http://thebuglepodcast.comFeaturing:Andy ZaltzmanJohn OliverAlice FraserNish KumarNato GreenHelen ZaltzmanJosh GondelmanAhir Shah Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world. Hello, Buglers. I am Andy Zaltzman and this is the year 2025, a year they said would never happen. They did. I'm not sure they did say that. Anyway, but it's a year in which things will almost certainly take place, but what things will they be? Well, I'm glad to say we will have exclusive coverage of the year 2025 here on The Bugle, but before that, in this Bugle issue 4,326 sub-episode R for review of 2024, we have our exclusive review of 2024. In many ways, 2024 was we have our exclusive review of 2024. In many ways, 2024 was an all action prequel to this new blockbuster of year 2025. And like so many prequels and sequels, one is already disappointed and the other will almost certainly follow suit. But before we start our review, however, some quick housekeeping and what a house we have. Firstly, the bugle survives purely on your donations.
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Starting point is 00:01:35 through to May now go to andyzoltzman.co.uk and I will see all of you there. Right 2024, let's do this month by month shall we we in the traditional chronological order starting with strap in January. Top story this week, World War Three might be breaking out again. I mean this is this is a you know basically the state that we're currently in as a planet that World War Three might or might have already broken out. I tell you what I was thinking last Thursday, Nish, NATO. I was thinking we're over 10 days into the year and while Ukraine and Gaza are still ticking along in full boom, there hasn't yet been an outbreak of armed conflict involving major global powers that has the potential to escalate
Starting point is 00:02:20 into something terrifyingly bigger. So, can complain about the year I've been receiving as a consumer so far. Then on Friday it appears that Britain and America started bombing the Middle East, albeit a specific part of the Middle East, targeting the Houthi rebels in Yemen. Nish, I know, I assume in all the TV shows you've done the various travel shows and things You must have done a bit of a stint with the Houthis Like playing I don't know playing squash with the rebels or whatever Definitely not Andy if you should done a stint with the Houthis they would have been cancelled already This is the thing. The US and the UK has learned nothing. You don't get rid of these groups by bobbing them, you get rid of them by commissioning me to do a television program. I've taken
Starting point is 00:03:18 down whole networks, not even just individual programs. Are you telling me that if you didn't commission Nish Hangs with the Houthis, the entire situation in Yemen would be resolved within six months? Six months? That's one of your longer-longer-longer. Yeah, it's truly bad stuff. I think the News that the US and the UK conducting bombing campaigns in the Middle East is so familiar to me that I think it caused my virginity to return It's immediately put me back to 2002 The background to this is that
Starting point is 00:04:02 2002 The background to this is that Well, the background to this is a big placard that says oh shit Everything's been fucked for a hell of a long time but the the more specific background to this is the Houthis are a Group that emerged in the 90s and rose to prominence in 2014 after they rebelled against Yemen's government There's been a civil war in Yemen Yemen that's been conducted with the Houthis who have the kind of Iranian backing and the military coalition led by Saudi Arabia and there is no sentence or situation that begins, middles or ends well if it involves the phrase military coalition led by Saudi Arabia. That is
Starting point is 00:04:43 just an absolute recipe for disaster. The Houthis are also known as Ansar Allah, which translates as supporters of God, which is immediately a red flag. Any group with God in its name or we love God, they're gonna turn out to be definitely at best a spicy band of people. And it is difficult to observe lots of the kind of religious conflicts as they happen. You know, the Yemeni Civil War has a Sunni Shia element to it, the Sunnis being the Saudi Arabians, the Shias being the Houthis. Obviously what's happening in Gaza has a huge religious component to
Starting point is 00:05:20 it between Jews and Muslims. And it can feel surprising, basically for someone like me who largely exists in a world of lapsed religious people. You know, I come from a long traditional line of lapsed Hindus. I'm currently doing a podcast with two of the most lapsed Jews in human history. I even know lapsed atheists. I know lapsed atheists. These are people who, to be clear, don't believe in God. They just really hate the stand-up comedy of Ricky Gervais. And find his tone around atheism so unbearable that they're beginning to will there to be an afterlife so that he can be consigned to hell. But yes, now the US and the UK have decided
Starting point is 00:05:59 it didn't work the first time, so we're just going gonna do it again. It's it really is It absolutely Really is the Superman film of ideas. We just it worked at one point But it hasn't worked for a hell of a long time and yet we still keep doing it So what sort of kicked off the current current flare-up was a number of attacks on shipping in the Red Sea. Since November the Houthis have attacked more than 20 merchant vessels in the Red Sea using missiles, drones, helicopters and boats. The attacks of course caused considerable chaos in the global
Starting point is 00:06:39 trade because the Red Sea is one of the world's favourite shipping routes ever since the Suez giant waterslide fell down in 1869 and was repurposed in its new flat state as a canal. And the Red Sea is particularly crucial because these days, NATO, it requires a ship to go up and down it rather than just a Moses with a special stick to magic a special members-only crossing route. So you can see why it's so strategically important. The Houthis have said their attacks are in response to the Gaza situation which should let me just check whether it's been sorted out i'll just check the web page no still i'm also sorry that web page hasn't been updated for 4 000 years i'll just refresh it still no so it's a bit of a mess in november the Houthies seized the Galaxy Leader, which is not quite as exciting
Starting point is 00:07:25 or sci-fi as it sounds, sadly. The Galaxy Leader being a ship, a 21 year old ship of Polish origin, Japanese owned, Bahamas registered, classic 21st century child of the world. And they've been using it as a tourist attraction. There's still 25 hostages on board, which is not exactly a dream day out as a kid, is it? We start to go to the playground? No. How about roller skating? No. Would you like to go to the petting zoo? No. Well, you suggest where you want to go for the day out, darling. I'd like to go to a hijacked cargo ship with 25 hostages on, please, Mum. I'll tell you what, the Hoothies really need to take more of a leaf out of the British Government's book, need to take more of a leaf out of the British government's book because what they're doing at the moment is they've stolen something and they're allowing Pete and they're allowing people from their country to come and view it what
Starting point is 00:08:13 they should be doing is stealing something and then allowing people from the country it was stolen from to have a look at that's basically the entire purpose and existence of the British Museum. Hey, people from other countries, come and look at your own shit in our country. And as sure as night follows day, March. And well, there's only one place to start in Glasgow News this week. This, I mean, you all know what we're talking about. The one, possibly the greatest news story of the millennium, would you say?
Starting point is 00:08:45 What? Um, a world of pure imagination, it was, in that you had to imagine anything was actually f***ing there. So, there it is, the Willy Wonk. Did anyone here go to it? No? No, did anyone know anyone who actually went?
Starting point is 00:09:03 One. And, I mean, it's, I mean,ocie, you are our Glasgow tourist attraction correspondent. I am. I mean, this is, this is absolutely sensational, isn't it? Yes, every now and again, if you endure the horror of the world, you get a little treat. And very much that was the case for the people who went there as well. They got one jelly bean at the end of it. What happened was people were promised an immersive experience that would delight them.
Starting point is 00:09:33 They were promised catcocating, catchy tongues, exasperated lollipops, truly a passadice of sweet teats. That was the AI generated website that the man who organized, and I say organized using air quotes, the event, didn't bother to edit the fake words out of, which could have been a hint as to what happened. You know, who amongst us hasn't dreamt of a passadise of sweet teats? Family show. Yeah. It was 35 pounds a head. Yeah, it's not cheap. Although I watched a TikToker who was this American, was like it was 35 pounds and this is Scotland that's a lot
Starting point is 00:10:27 of money there. I was like get go and get your prescription see how much it costs you huh. Huh we've all got 35 quid because we're not spending it on insulin anyway. Anyway. But it was just the bleakness, every, it's that combination of utter, I guess, bathos and it just kept on coming. Like the headline of it is, children left in tears at sparsely decorated warehouse. Which, you know, it's a picture of Victorian cruelty. I mean, it just got better and better because more and more pictures surface. So you have a picture of this woman, this brilliant actor who's trying her best dressed as a meth labum-pum-pum-pum.
Starting point is 00:11:18 It's good because I feel like actors, particularly working actors, have a lot of their dignity stolen from them. And this is their chance to kind of fight back. Yeah, then my favourite part of it was, because the guy, so I did some research on the guy. The guy's name is Billy Cool. Billy Cool, not spelt that way. And he has previous, he organised a community Santas grotto and then after they after the community had donated loads of toys and gifts he just cancelled it. He's a reverse Father Christmas. Yeah so my favorite part of it
Starting point is 00:12:00 is because Billy Cool just got AI to design it all, when the actors were like, where's the script? He was like, AI, write a script. Write the script, which is f***ing nonsense. I've downloaded it. I would love to read you some in a bit. But the best part of it is that AI invented a villain. And the villain, who is not in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, is called the unknown Which I feel like the I would be scared of the unknown. Yeah, cuz that's all the I only knows about
Starting point is 00:12:33 knowledge We're all scared of the unknown Josie Well, you shouldn't be because it was a crap villain And then yes, so I downloaded the script we can read some of it if you like but the unknown say that the poor guy who was supposed to be Willy Wonka, who, there he is, God bless him. He actually looks just like Timothy Chalamet, so I know why they got him. But the name that they give him, that the AI gave him, was, hang on, Willie Macduff.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Willie Macduff, I don't know. And the unknown is an as yet unknown, which is apt, actor wearing a kind of mannequin mask, unmovable, and a grey, I'm gonna say snood, but no, that's not the right word, like a moomo, a grey moomo, and he's hiding behind a mirror, and there's a video of this poor guy being like, watch out everybody! And then the unknown just comes out like this.
Starting point is 00:13:37 And it's very angular in the movements, and it's not that it's bad, but it is that it's bad. Yeah, I'd love to read you a bit from the script. The best thing about the script is the AI, he's obviously said to the AI, AI, write me a brilliant script about Willy Macduff from the famous film,
Starting point is 00:14:01 taking people around his haunted warehouse. And the AI said, no problem. And the AI has just put in loads of things that the crowd would do. So halfway, like all the way through it will be like, the crowd leans in laughing and giggling. It's like, AI, you're a bit arrogant here. But my favorite part was,
Starting point is 00:14:23 and let's not forget our secret inventions, the soup flavoured jelly beans, designed to keep the wee ones clean. Like, AI, that's fucking soap. It's kind of soup and soap. Also no child will be delighted by being kept clean, right? Second, hot and spicy beans that, and then it says in brackets, lowers his voice, attract the birds, brackets, winks.
Starting point is 00:15:01 That's a story for another day, or perhaps a question for your parents. Then in brackets, the audience chuckles appreciating the playful innuendo. I mean often the audience chuckles appreciating a playful and you're under and then the thing that's the big thing that really won't that the unknown is trying to steal That he thinks children would be interested in AI the anti graffiti gobstopper Which according to the script honestly the scripts of the lights 15 pages long and you will not be able to get through it and It's 15 pages long and you will not be able to get through it. Behold the culmination of imagination and ingenuity, the anti-graffiti gobstopper, a suite so powerful it can make any room sparkle without lifting a finger. Right, firstly, why is the AI obsessed with cleanliness?
Starting point is 00:16:00 And does it bode ill for the fact that soon AIs will decide that we ourselves are a parasite to be cleaned? Let's skip ahead now to April. Donald Trump is on trial. Well, just a quick refresher for those of you who have forgotten how this story all started. Well, as I said, in the 1770s America for some reason thought it could be trusted with
Starting point is 00:16:23 itself. One thing led to another and it ended up voting in a self-proclaimed sex pest as president. And hence we are where we are, Harry. I mean you are right there as our official Donald Trump's legal affairs correspondent in New York. Just I mean the city must have been, has, has it been on, being played on big screens in Times Square? There's sort of huge parties where everyone's gathering to watch the death of American hope and democracy. Andy, can we start with something lighter like Iran and Israel?
Starting point is 00:16:58 Because with Iran and Israel, there's a, there's hope there. Oh, right. That really that there is an yeah, because with the end the pain will stop. Okay. So, I see hope in that. Yeah. No, no, we're not we're not watching this on a big screen. I don't think you understand this any. We're all trying to forget, right? Okay. Yep. He's from here. Yes. We did this. Every time we see him, it's a reminder of we could have stopped this a long time ago. And we just let this is a fun sideshow. And we just kept doing it over. Let's watch where this goes. Married again, had an affair. Oh, another lawsuit. He's bankrupt, has a TV show. Oh, this is entertaining. We caused this. We don't like thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:17:48 So far we've had the selection of the jury, which is a rather complicated process, Ahim, which they have to find 12 people who don't have an opinion on Donald Trump. Now, I mean, I think you could scour the entire universe and the best you could possibly hope for is 12 recently slaughtered goldfish would be the closest you can get to this. Yeah I was just like do you have to sort of if you're trying to construct a jury do you just have to hope that there's been a really fortunate like timing with a full ward of coma patients who've all sort of went down and came up at exactly the same time
Starting point is 00:18:23 and that's because it does strike me as one of those things where not not having any sort of went down and came up at exactly the same time. And that's because it does strike me as one of those things where not having any sort of opinion is in and of itself sort of, like, it's not a neutral thing to be entirely unaware of what's going on. And to be fair, I do really, like, admire the people who were able to, because like half the people straight away, like, stuck their hands up, were like, there is absolutely zero way I'm going to be able to be impartial about this. You know, like, fair enough, right, because let's be honest, being on that jury would be exciting, but equally probably lead to you getting loads of death threats.
Starting point is 00:18:58 So that would be less fun. I mean, the troubling thing about everyone leaving, you know, like having an opinion and then being dismissed is that I'm sure almost all of them are liberal, right? Because liberals emote. When they talk about them, they get angry, they don't play it close to the vest. Conservatives play it close to the vest, right? Like conservatives in New York City, particularly, they keep it close. Like I had no idea anyone I knew voted for Trump until after he won the election. And all of a sudden, their social media is suspiciously quiet. Right? And at that point, you're like, gotcha. You know what I mean? And that's how he'll get acquitted because they keep it close to the vest. They shut up. They don't let people see, I hate Trump, no, they shut up, they vote for him and he wins.
Starting point is 00:19:46 So in that case, do you regret having spoken about him previously sort of on stage or on podcasts, on social media and everything, because you could have been in that jury otherwise. Oh no, because look at where it's taken me. Look at where talking about him has taken me. You know, the jury, there's, first of all, the fact they found 12 is shocking to me and makes me suspect some things. And here's just a review of one of the jurors, because they listed some of the characteristics of some of the jurors.
Starting point is 00:20:21 One juror watches MSNBC and Fox News and has no opinion of Donald Trump. So clearly this is a bot. They are putting bots on the jury. Like this is where it's come to another one, uh, said that he, she appreciated the fact that he speaks his mind. Watch stand up if you feel that way. That is not... A lot of men just, you know... And then there was one juror. This is a perfect juror.
Starting point is 00:20:57 This is actually the kind of juror we need. He said, I find him fascinating. He walks into a room and he sets people off one way or another and I find that really interesting. Really, this one guy could do all this. See, that's a perfect juror because if you can't figure out why and you don't follow the news, clearly you have no stake in anything. Right?
Starting point is 00:21:23 That's perfect. That's like watching sports and never has a team never roots. Just watches. And imagine him saying, I find it interesting how a person hits the ball and everyone chases the ball. How could one ball do all this? Absolute that is but does not have my 12 of those. I think that the sort of ideal jury is evidently comprised of,
Starting point is 00:21:50 does anyone remember that Futurama episode where they went to war with the neutral planet? It was like, your neutralness, it's a beigeolet. If I die, tell my wife hello. It's that person that you need 12 times. Or maybe the person who says, oh, I watch MSNBC and Fox News and everything. All this person was aware of back in,
Starting point is 00:22:11 when Donald Trump first announced that he was gonna be running for president, this person was a New Yorker, right? And they were like, from this moment, this guy might win, and if he does win, eventually the mother of all court cases is going to land in a New York City courtroom and I will do everything within my power to live my life as the perfect jury member so that when the time comes, I will be there
Starting point is 00:22:37 because that is my greatest ambition. So therefore, like spending exactly equal amounts of time watching like, oh, it's a time to watch Rachel Maddow for half an hour and then switch over to Sean Hannity for exactly the same amount of time. Like no one can possibly. It just feels like someone who watches that much news and doesn't have an opinion is someone who probably can't make a decision.
Starting point is 00:23:03 And is that what you want on a jury? Yeah, it is a problem. So he's facing 34 felony charges of falsifying business records, dealing with hush money payments made to, I think I wrote it as an Australian actress, said it from New South Wales, NSFW, Stormy Daniels allegedly to cover up a sexual relationship that Daniels claimed she had with Trump and vice versa back in 2006 so hush money paid to a pronographic film Tsar and former striper did I spell that right? But anyway um can I just check sorry very quickly with um hurry so because obviously lots of international listeners and everything you've got a different legal system in the United States to the one that we have in Britain and everything
Starting point is 00:23:51 So these sorts of things can be a bit confusing certainly for me And so all I would ask is so when you have 34 felony counts Would you describe that as a greater than ideal number? Would you describe that as a greater than ideal number? Well, it's a good number to have higher numbers is better Because the more felonies you get I mean in this case with Trump the more felonies the bigger the chance will get him on something, right? Now they usually pull this with poor people right like they'll
Starting point is 00:24:25 let you they basically give you everything and then okay I will let you off with you know manslaughter even though like I wasn't even there at the time but you take the manslaughter so the idea that they might pull this with Trump is very exciting just throw everything at him and then something is it so we want as many felony counts as possible one of the charges involves basically this hush money allegedly paid to alleged stormy alleged Daniels So we want as many felony counts as possible one of the charges involves basically This hush money allegedly paid to alleged stormy alleged Daniels being classified as a business expense now I can't see how they're gonna get him on that because to me hush money paid to a
Starting point is 00:24:59 pornographic actress For Donald Trump that is a business that is a legitimate business experience he's all about his brand and you know surely that counts as just investing in his brand that is building up the picture of who he is that his entire business is based on so I mean I see that as entirely legitimate to be honest and now my favorite month June or lapsed June in my case. Top story this week, America now has a criminal as a former president. Exciting times, at 10pm UK time on Thursday, two truly historic announcements were made
Starting point is 00:25:41 within minutes of each other. One was that I, Andy Zoltzman, am a contestant on the next series of the taskmaster TV show Which will be in September and as if to bury bad news New York court then announced that Donald Trump was guilty of all 34 counts in his current head-to-head against the in his current head-to-head against the US judicial system, the serial bankruptcy, celebrity misogyny, superstar, impeachment veteran, civil war re-enactment fan and insurrectionist chaotic station was found guilty of essentially being himself and specifically in these 34 cases of falsifying business records guilty on
Starting point is 00:26:20 all charges much to the delight of everyone. I guess you know it please everyone who think it's completely appalling that America ever elected a person such as Trump, and they now have legal confirmation, not only that he is a sex pest from last year, but also now a crook as well. And also to the delight of everyone who thinks that only a crook and a sex pest can make America,
Starting point is 00:26:39 once again, the great nation of crooks and sex pests that it was in its greatest halcyon days. Josh, it does feel like, I mean, it was out of all the extraordinary things that we've seen in the Trumpian era. I've been seeing his angry furious face as in the photos and afterwards he emerged from the court. I mean, it did seem to sort of sum up what America has put itself through over the last one nearly decade now. Yeah, I don't know if we're ever going to see Donald Trump brought to justice, but it is fun to see him brought to fury and crankiness. He was convicted of all 34 felony charges he faced, which almost feels like a lifetime achievement award for six decades of uninterrupted crime, give or take a few years.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Although you kind of have to admit, right, he was on trial for using this hush money payment that is on trial for using this hush money payment that is in an incorrect use of campaign funds to influence an election. And he did kind of get away with it because he did get to be president for what I will describe as at least four years. So it is a little you're like, ah, you got a hand to him. He really did it. So what's weird is this hush money payment was not the worst deal he's ever made, which would be really saying something as he couldn't keep a casino open in Atlantic City.
Starting point is 00:28:15 I don't think pessimistically, I don't think it changes anyone's opinion on Trump, right? To see that he's actually convicted of these things he's accused of. I can't imagine anyone watching the news on TV and going like, honey, did you see that report? Yeah, I guess he did it after all. Shoot, well, I should probably take off my f*** your feelings Trump 2024 t-shirt
Starting point is 00:28:39 and get my Hillary killed Epstein tattoo covered up with a picture of the kids or something. Seems like he's a bad dude after all. Josh, I have a quick question. I mean, yeah. My question is, could he run the country from jail for the length of time he's imprisoned? And if so, what kind of a setup would that jail require? And if so, what kind of a setup would that jail require? Fridge full of Diet Cokes, I think, would be if he gets any say. I mean, it definitely seems like not only could he,
Starting point is 00:29:18 but there are people that would think that's the best thing he's ever done. I truly don't know. There's gonna be a lengthy appeals process. He also faces three other, I believe, criminal trials across the country. So his presidency, he's gonna be kinda busy the whole time. Like, which I honestly think is good.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Even if he is president, you kind of want him occupied being prosecuted for a lifetime of crime. I think that would be good for the country. I honestly think whenever we get a president, we should kind of wrap them up going to make any difference to people, I mean, not much. As we've previously discussed on this esteemed news organ, it should not be possible to change your mind, as you said Josh, about Donald Trump in the year 2024. It's not like, for example, thinking that you don't like 1980s pop music, before finding yourself at first imperceptibly tapping your feet along to Too Shy by Kajagoogoo and feeling a
Starting point is 00:30:28 blinding light of truth searing its way into your soul. Or maybe thinking you don't like mozzarella because you've never had the really good stuff and then finding yourself alone with a glistening glorious wobbly yielding pillow of buffalo and perfection galloping the whole thing in five minutes of spiritual oneness and thinking that maybe we don't live in a godless universe after all. Or it's not like thinking you don't like test match cricket before realising that you've been foolishly precluding yourself from the greatest creation in human history and that no purer, more sumptuous, more kaleidoscopic form of unscripted narrative has ever or could
Starting point is 00:30:59 ever be concocted. You cannot have been waiting for this verdict before making your mind up about Trump. This should not be the wafer-thin mint of conclusive evidence that tips you over into the explosive realisation that maybe this guy is not entirely suitable to lead the world's most powerful nation. But it might make a little difference. I hope so. A little difference in an American presidential election can become a vast defining difference if it's a few thousand people in the right places. Well, it feels like there is a little fatigue with these two candidates, and I think there are some people who really don't see a lot of daylight between them.
Starting point is 00:31:41 And I don't agree with that on a lot of topics, but with the low enthusiasm for voter turnout, we might have kind of a one-nil football match type. We're talking Montana? There's not that many people there to start with. So, I mean, if it comes down to just the only two people in America who can be bothered to vote are Biden and Trump. This could be crucial because Trump could be barred from voting, good enough. That's right. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:06 In Florida, certainly. Yeah. So that could be our justice. Our justice system is a nightmare and it's good to see it giving nightmares to a person that deserves nightmares. And now August, when we last recorded Joe Biden had just announced he was stepping aside and that Kamala Harris would be the Democratic candidate in the forthcoming election. NATO, as America gradually or rapidly declining into a pit of its own self-inflicted despair, correspondence, bring us up to date with what has happened in the intervening weeks since late July. Last night at dinner someone was telling me
Starting point is 00:32:49 about having eaten a delicacy that was a fish marinated in its own urine. Nothing else describes American politics quite as perfectly as that image. We sit here on August 26th, the last episode that you released was right after Biden stepped aside and Kamala Harris consolidated Democratic support. On July 13th was when Trump was shot in the ear and then the Republican convention. It was dark time for Democrats. It's only been six weeks. It's been such a whirlwind of six weeks. It's been dizzying. Six weeks is such a fast amount of time, as the Republicans call it, the appropriate length of time to bring a pregnancy to term. I've forgotten about the ear thing. That's how long
Starting point is 00:33:38 it's been. But also NATO election campaigns in the UK are only six weeks. This all has to happen in that period. I am jealous. That is enough reason to shred the Declaration of Independence and return to the bosom just so that we can shorten our election period. Do you know, Andy, you've been off the air this whole time. Do you know how much of a hardship it has been for me personally as a white male comedian to not be podcasting? I actually did go on the bituation room and other projects, but I've had so many takes. I am dying from all of my pent up takes. I've
Starting point is 00:34:17 had, I've had blue balls of podcasting my takes. This, this high, the bugle hiatus in the summer of 2024 is literally the most violent manmade disaster to happen to anyone since Chernobyl. It's like the, it's been very confusing for me also because the, as someone who votes for Democrats and also hates the Democrats, do you know what I mean? Like I, you know, as you know, like I'm not big on teams. I don't enjoy, you know, I don't enjoy, I don't not root for things. My team is the international working class.
Starting point is 00:34:52 I think this might finally be our season. We've made some trades, but the, you know, like my team, they're my team. I grudge them, I resent them, but they're also cra, I grudge them, I resent them, but they're also craven, feckless idiots who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, like a junkie whose drug of choice is mediocrity, who will sell one shoe on the street, not a pair, just a single shoe to buy to get a fix of mediocrity.
Starting point is 00:35:22 And so it's confusing to have the Democrats pivot from their decades old strategy of being tedious losers to seeming to try something completely different and out of the box and try to win and care about anything. And it's been like flawless execution by the Democrats. When Biden, his polling was in the toilet, Democrats were telling us that democracy was at stake with Trump,
Starting point is 00:35:54 but then acting like the stakes were lower than that. Like it was just stakes at stake, you know what I mean? And then Nancy Pelosi, my congresswoman from San Francisco, like I hate her and it's mutual. She hates me too because one time I delivered a seven foot styrofoam spine to her office and her staff have never forgiven me. But what was amazing, like she was the nail in the coffin for Biden stepping aside because she kept going on the news and saying, well, Joe Biden is running out of time to make a decision. Then five minutes later, Joe Biden would come on the news and say, I already made a decision.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Then she would come back on and say, he really has to make a decision. Sunday July 21st, 11 a.m., Biden drops out. Kamala declares immediately there's 44,000 black women on Zoom raising money. By four o'clock, Tennessee's Democratic Party is the first state delegation to pledge their delegates to her. By 5.30, Charlie XCX tweets the Kamala's brat. So by the end of the day of Monday, Kamala had raised $81 million, which was the biggest single day fundraising haul in history. And then on Tuesday, JD Vance blows up the race by referring to Kamala Harris as a childless
Starting point is 00:37:14 cat lady. And I think when historians look back, this will be the moment that Trump lost because polling suggests that we're in the middle of the biggest gender gap in elections where women overwhelmingly support Harris and men support Trump and there's a scientific explanation for that there's a technical term which is that male Trump supporters are bitch ass boys and calling out childless cat ladies is a provocation they have poked the bear because one thing we know about childless cat ladies is that they have time on their hands and can hold a grudge. So now they're
Starting point is 00:37:52 swinging into politics. By Wednesday, that same week, the entire discourse of the election has changed and the serious debate that is convulsing American politics is does JD Vance couches that was like it so it turns out he may not but we've had to spend a lot of time talking about and answering the question because we believe that the Republican vice presidential nominee and Senator from Ohio would be someone who would f*** a couch if that was happening. He hasn't denied f***ing the couch. I mean, that speaks volumes of the man and the couch.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I mean, like you said, there's no evidence that Vance has had carnal relations, not just with a couch, but with any piece of soft furnishing. had carnal relations not just with a couch but with any piece of soft furnishing. But the fact, as you say, that this has rumbled on for so long is in many ways worse because I guess it shows that vast swathes of the US electorate believe that he is the kind of person who would and the fact that he hasn't. Now that surely suggests NATO that there's a quite a high probability that JD Vance has had romantic advances rejected by a couch. And I mean, that's not vice presidential quality, is it really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:17 I want a vice president who knows how to close his deal with the couch. How did this come about? The couch? I think it was just someone tweeting that in his book, Hillbilly Elegy, on a particular page, he talks about f***ing a couch with a rubber glove between the cushions, which I believe not to be part of the text of the book, but I haven't read it. Right. But it was believable enough that everybody ran with it. Yeah. And I guess, you know, with novels novels it's as much about what you don't write as what you do, and the fact that he hasn't written it basically suggests that he was thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Sure, the list of things that have become, I mean, by the end of the week the Democrats have sort of settled on this frame about the Republicans, which is to talk about them is creepy and weird. Like they had been talking about Republicans as being a threat to democracy, but they are like, these guys are just weird. Yes, maybe J.J. Vance did shit on the couch, but he did go on an interview and refer to his children as my wife's children. And now we have November. Top story this week. America vomits its own soul out into a bottomless chasm of despair.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Sorry. America goes to the polls to vote in its presidential election. Now I've actually enjoyed this election campaign a lot more than I thought I was going to. And by enjoy, I mean ignore, because I've spent the last month in Pakistan in the loving embrace of cricket. Also, I've just started my stand-up tours, I've been concentrating on that and I had lots of cricket in the weeks before that in the English cricket season. And to be honest, it has made this election campaign far more bearable. How have you both dealt with it?
Starting point is 00:41:09 I mean, I guess 2016 there was a certain, I don't know, I mean, novelty to it. And I guess, you know, I don't know, there's almost like a dull thud of reality about Trump still being even a candidate. How have you managed to cope with it? The dull thud of reality was your special move when you were a wrestler, wasn't it, Zoltan? It was. You've got to get it just high enough above the...
Starting point is 00:41:40 Anyway. Sorry, Alice. The nature of this election is so urgent and upsetting. It's a battle for the soul and identity of America. If one party wins, it'll be straight up repressive, patriarchal, Christo fascism, four square families with 15 children a piece, populating rural compounds in the f**king end of nowhere. If the other party wins, it'll be the absolute disintegration of social traditions, miserable, over-employed, barren women, gay minorities, transitioning minors, bleeding hearted leftists, demanding your hard-earned tax dollars be poured into wasteful half-baked programs to teach
Starting point is 00:42:14 refugees knitting or critical race theory while your grandma can't get a job. It's so incredibly important and vital and I feel like my care-ometer got tapped out about three and a half years ago maybe like everything is so fucking urgent and in your face and depressing all the time I think I'm done I think it's just you resigning as you know from the human race essentially just happy species well the only way that I'm coping is by looking on the funny side, Andy, on the bright side of things. It is very funny to me that the Republicans' whole pitch is basically
Starting point is 00:42:51 constantly asserting that the Democrats have the power to rig elections, that there's a deep state that's in control of everything that the Hollywood elite are drinking, children, they have the power to control your life and prevent the Republicans from winning. And that's why it's important to get out and vote. And also if the Republicans win, ignore all that stuff we spent months or years saying about the validity of the election. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:43:19 And this shows your election campaign gone. My election campaign has gone fantastically, Andrew. And I'm basically at this point, all of our objective is to not pull a Tony Hinchcliffe. Every comedian now we've all had bad gigs. Some of us have had gigs so bad they've ended up in the news. But none of us have had a gig so bad, we might potentially alter the trajectory of a presidential race. And the only objective here is to not do what the what Tony
Starting point is 00:43:47 Hitchcliffe aka Kill Tony did when he opened for Donald Trump at what appears to be an Adolf Hitler tribute concert that he staged at Madison Square Garden. It was very strange. It was like watching the bootleg Beatles or something like it was a very strange event. Tony Hitchcliffe told a joke that is so racist about Puerto Ricans that it may well have a direct impact on the presidential race. I mean, elsewhere, I will say that aside from all the other very, very sort of important conversations and issues that we've had here, it is really important to stress that Donald Trump at the most recent bout of rallies has looked fully dead. He has looked simply dead as f***. He's pulling the Brezhnev card. It genuinely looks like Lenin is running for Russian president now.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And again, we shouldn't, we should separate all of these out. There were very serious issues at play. But at several of Trump's rallies that I've seen video footage of in the last couple of days, he has looked like me when I did what I would describe as ill advised stand up comedy gig 25 minutes after getting out of the airport when I landed in New Zealand. I was so jet lagged that my brain could not make memories. I was forgetting the words I was saying as I was saying them. I sort of jet lagged myself
Starting point is 00:45:25 into having the memento man's disease. It was incredible. I was barely capable of understanding what I was saying as it was coming out of my mouth. Now I will say did the gigs go fine? Of course they did. I'm an incredibly competent stand-up comedian. And I will say competent is about as good as it gets. Tickets available at lishkama.co.uk. But what I will say competent is about as good as it gets. Tickets available at lishkermar.co.uk. But what I will say is what I wouldn't have done in that position is give me the codes to the most powerful nuclear arsenal assembled in the history of mankind. He looks deeply and profoundly unwell. At one point last week, he just started riffing on Hannibal Lecter. He's consistently just talked about Hannibal Lecter repeatedly, to the extent that it's starting to be concerning that he thinks Hannibal Lecter is a real guy. He's done this quite often now, hasn't he? Lecter seems to be some sort of spiritual touchstone.
Starting point is 00:46:25 I don't know if he's like a hero, a role model. I don't know. Well, they didn't do anyone any favors by casting Mads Mikkelsen in the reboot, did they? Because now everyone has weird sexual feelings about Hannibal Lecter. To be fair, I think Trump probably had weird sexual feelings about the original Hannibal Lecter. To be fair, I think Trump probably had weird sexual feelings about the original Hannibal Lecter. But again, handsome actors can turn anyone's head. Regarding Tony Hinchcliffe, I was so glad that I'm not doing the last post anymore because if
Starting point is 00:46:59 you recall correctly, there were occasional moments where it felt like the made up universe that I had created was piercing through To the boundaries of reality and when he started saying there was a floating trash island in the ocean I was like, is it Bob the sentient trash island? She's running for president in the last post universe I think we'd all take that now Alice to be so we would all happily welcome Bob Sentient trash island back from the fictitious past into the real present. I mean all the rabbits Trump has pulled out of the campaigning
Starting point is 00:47:33 hat, the rotten festering corpses of rabbits out of his putrid hat. I mean he's racism, sexism, big-time bullshit. He described Puerto Rico, Well, I said this this floating on island of garbage He said Liz Cheney should have guns pointing at her face. He joked joking of course about journalists being shot I mean personally, I know humor is innately subjective, but I didn't find it laugh out loud funny But then comedy of awkwardness is not really my thing He talked about the enemy within and whether or not you think he was attempting to directly quote Adolf Hitler, it was certainly the kind of language that you might use if, for example, you were scripting a TV drama about Hitler and you wanted Hitler to sound just like
Starting point is 00:48:16 Adolf Hitler. He claimed God was on his side. This is a weird thing, claiming God was on his side. Now, I know we all tend to drift a bit right as we get older and God has had some pretty wonky political and social views over the years, but even so that seems like a bit of a leap for God to support a man who quite literally shits on all 10 of his commandments on a daily basis. I just think the only acceptable time to call someone the enemy within is when you're pregnant and they're kicking your bladder. I will say that at certain times of my life where I've experienced, shall we call it colonic discomfort, I have repeatedly referred to the enemy within and have screamed, the power of Christ compels you at my own stomach.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Get thee behind me, Satan. He also used this phrase, hydrogen is the new car. That will take so much explanation on so many levels. That was the working title of Orange is the New Black. He also pretended to give a blowjob to a microphone. I mean, is that really appealing to the undecided voters? I don't know. Maybe that is what people are just waiting for in America. Those are quite how you can be undecided about Donald Trump in the year 2024. I have no idea, but maybe just maybe there are key voters in key swing stuff
Starting point is 00:49:52 One or other candidates to give a pretend blowjob to a pretend microphone and that could be what swings it for Trump and Finally from 2024. It's December and here is an exclusive previously unheard piece of sports news When I was joined by our old friend John Oliver baseball news now and Juan Soto has crossed the Rubicon or the East River, the modern day Rubicon, debronxing himself from the New York Yankees and taking up with the New York Mets, your team John, and what you have to say is a pretty sweet deal, $765 million over 15 years. And he doesn't even have to pay for his own bats or lunches as well. I mean, is that, do you think that's enough $765 million? I mean, for a baseball player?
Starting point is 00:50:35 Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of money, you know, it can be paid because the metronome by Steve Cohen, who has more money than you know any polite society would allow. So yeah, it's really going to be a combination of his natural talent, Sotto, and the Met's historical ability to destroy everything that they touch in a kind of reverse Midas situation. So I think most Metets fans I'm just very nervous about this precious expensive object that they've just bought what's going to happen to him because you know it just feels like there's a chance that in his first at-bat
Starting point is 00:51:16 he'll run towards first base step on it weird way roll over break his ankle fall on the ground separate his shoulder and it'll be over. Right. Um, you know, it's, uh, I, he's very good at baseball, Andy. Okay. Well that's good because it's a lot of money, $765 million. Yeah, it's a lot of scientists to know that, um, it could pay. So minor league players don't get paid a huge amount of work. So this could pay for a minor league player on a 22,000 year contract, but would they still be motivated and fit at the end of it?
Starting point is 00:51:50 I don't know, I mean 15 years is a bit of a risk, so 22,000 seems like a real stretch. That is the problem, is that it wears the incentive to really run hard for a second. You know, you've got a regular wage, albeit it's going to depreciate massively with inflation over 22,000 years. Or if you want something on a 15-year contract like Soto, you could pay for around about a thousand care home nursing staff for 15 years. But then from the METS point of view, John, where do you play 1000 care home nurses? You don't want them in the infield. They'll get in everyone's way.
Starting point is 00:52:29 You can't see them stealing many bases. So if you want to play small ball, it's going to be tricky. Yeah. So on balance, you can see why they're gone for Soto rather than the 1000 care home nurses. I'd like to see 1000 at home nurses. Yeah. I'd'd like to see you know pans brought in and people just banging whenever there's you know Yeah, whenever this has a routine double play somehow put together by a thousand people running in the same direction It works out by about three hundred thousand dollars per game Which is just over sixty thousand dollars per plate appearance assuming
Starting point is 00:53:04 $100,000 per game which is just over $60,000 per plate appearance assuming That he's only getting paid for batting and he feels for free as a good will gesture ran about $15,000 Her pitch faced all of which makes tickets to my tour show the Zolt guys seem extremely good value Details and results from not code at UK Thanks for everyone who's come so far. The tour restarts in January. Details on the website. Juan Soto should do a full FIFA move Andy and just decide you'll be his personal comedian for the rest of your life and no one will ever hear you again. You're like an official court jester just a one Soto If the current rate of baseball inflation continues John I just tap some figures into my my calculator here
Starting point is 00:53:59 By the year 2089 the shortstop for the MLB expansion franchise The Sacramento ball sacks will man earn more than the GDP of the entire planet That's that's where we're heading. Sacramento Ball Sacks is a really good name for a baseball team. I wish it wasn't. Well, that was it. That was 2024. What a year it was still in line to be one of
Starting point is 00:54:26 the best 25 years of the millennium, although I sincerely hope it does not retain its place in that top 25. More bugles coming into your intro imminently as we embrace 2025. Until then, thank you for listening and goodbye.

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