The Chris Cuomo Project - Grant Cardone Explains Why the American Dream Is No Longer For Everyone

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

Grant Cardone (entrepreneur, real estate investor, and CEO, Cardone Capital) joins Chris Cuomo to challenge conventional thinking about money, success, and opportunity in America. Cardone lays out why he believes most people are financially trapped by design, how traditional education fails to prepare people for wealth, and why owning assets — including crypto — is the only path to real freedom. He and Cuomo debate the realities of the housing market, the impact of remote work, and whether the system is built to keep people down or lift them up. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Support our sponsors: AG1 AG1 is offering new subscribers a FREE $76 gift when you sign up. You’ll get a Welcome Kit, a bottle of D3K2 AND 5 free travel packs in your first box. So make sure to check out DrinkAG1.com/ccp to get this offer! iRestore Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code chris at https://www.irestorelaser.com/chris #irestorepod Factor Eat smart with Factor. Get started at FACTORMEALS.COM/FACTORPODCAST and use code FACTORPODCAST to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. Shopify Upgrade your business and get the same checkout AllBirds or Aviator Nation uses. Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/chrisc to upgrade your selling today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you put business and big brands and digital media together, you get Grant Cardone. You know the name, huge following, millions and millions, gazillions of dollars in real estate. But what's really important and why I wanted him for you here on The Chris Cuomo Project is what he can teach us about how things can be better. I'm Chris Cuomo.

Welcome to The Chris Cuomo Project. Grant Cardone is known really well. Is there controversy? Sure, it doesn't really matter to me. I think that there's a through line with what he's about, his understanding of President Trump, why he supports him, what he thinks he needs to change, what he thinks will change, and how you and I can change

how we use money in our lives to create wealth. And every time I hear that, I'm like, you know, this has gotta be a gimmick, not the way he sells it. And it's really interesting. So I wanted to talk to him about all of these things and have some fun along the way.

So we're gonna jump right into this conversation where Grant was already telling me how I should sell my apartment that we're in right now. Grant Cardone. The only way I would try to sell a home in America today is if I offered owner financing, if I was buying a house, the only way I would try to buy a house is with creative owner financing.

Because the cost of money's gotten too high. Yeah, because you're basically solving a problem owner financing, if I was buying a house, the only way I would try to buy a house is with creative owner financing. Because the cost of money's gotten too high. Yeah, because you're basically solving a problem that banks can't solve right now, and you become cheap money. Because I have the ability to back it. Yeah, exactly. So like I have a house in Miami,

and we put it on the market, right? We put it on the market for a bunch of Bitcoin. It was really just to come on, right? So to get a bunch of attention. If I list just to come on, right? So to get a bunch of attention. If I list a house, no, I mean, it's just another house, but because I said I will only take Bitcoin, and then boom, everybody started covering. So this rapper calls me and says,

"'Hey, will you sell me your house?' I said, "'Sure, 20 million down.'" I think it was 20, I forget what I offered him, 20, I set up 20, and I'll carry the other 20 for you at like nothing. Because I was really hoping he would just give me the 20, you know, make six or eight months of payments and get a house back and then bust out. Do you believe in crypto as? Yeah, very much so.

And you believe it's going to be consistent with the dollar over time? It's a new currency? Well, you Well, I'm just starting to really do my 100 hours on investigating. I was with Mike Saylor last Friday while they were buying $4 billion worth. You talked to Scaramucci? Yeah, I have talked to Scaramucci. Do you like him?

I'd wanna like him. He's a very intelligent guy. He's easy to like. He doesn't like Trump. That's personal. Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, that's the part that throws me off a little bit. He's so personal about my bro.

Just let it go, man. Like it doesn't have to be your leading Trump, your first card. If he had said about you what he said about Anthony and his wife, by the way, Yeah. then would you forgive it so easy? I don't know.

We'll go there. I see Cardone. We'll go there in a second. I see Cardone. This is the problem with handsome guys. No, I don't know. I don't think I would have got in that shit match in the first place. Yeah, well that's Anthony. Yeah. You know, he's another brand of Italian kind of like you. The Italians with the fine features. Look at that motherfucker. Ugly. No. features. He, look at that motherfucker, ugly.

Ooh, no. Scaramucci? Not for an Italian man. You don't, you think? Pretty face. You're a good looking man. Pretty face. But I have big, chewy features.

Bro, pull up a picture of Scaramucci. I gotta know, is this the same Scaramucci? Are we talking about the same guy? Yeah, you've been talking about like some other guy. But he's got the fine features, got the fine nose. Fine, you know. What are you talking about? I'm just telling you.

I'm just telling you. I mean, he's short. He's one Anthony looks like. He's one of my friends. He doesn't know how to dress. He is. Okay, he's that overly challenged. He's vertically challenged. Vertically challenged. Okay, he never takes care of himself.

He's fucking flabby. He's had health issues. He's had health issues. He's getting over them. But his face, I'm just, I only want to stipulate to the face. Bro, he looks like a caveman, what are you talking about?

No, no, no. For an Italian, very fine features. Oh my God. Tony, he looks like a caveman when he talks about. No, for an Italian, you find very fine features. Oh my God. Tonya, that's why you know he's Sicilian. Because they find features. Are you finally gay? You're a gay man? No, I'm a straight man,

but I can appreciate when a man is good looking. Yeah, so back to crypto. Okay. Yes. So what I, I am not a gambler. I don't know, I own no gold, no stocks, no silver, nothing. But I do know one thing for sure, that money's worth nothing. This idea that cash is king was a lie,

and God we trust on the back of the bill, it's garbage. Why, why? Because it's just, it's paper that's printed over and over and over again. So like what I do is I, you know, I want people, I want connections, okay? We have a connection, you and I have a connection

and we figure out how to do some business and you give me some paper for it. I don't want that piece of paper because I'm gonna lose it, somebody's gonna steal it, government's gonna tax it, my kids are gonna grab it, my wife thinks she's entitled to it. She's right, lately. That's some of my life. I leave it in my kids are gonna grab it, my wife thinks she's entitled to it. She's right, lately. That's some of my life.

I leave it in my desk, and the next thing you know, it's missing, the maid grabs it. So what I do is I've learned how to convert the paper to something real, like this building, or lots of these buildings. So you're all about real estate. Well, but real estate's got its problems, okay?

It's slow, it's heavy, it has termites and tenants and toilets and roofs and all the bullshit, right? But it comes with great tax write-offs. So the Bitcoin thing, the thing about Bitcoin, Bitcoin's like, Saylor talks about it being Manhattan in cyberspace, right? Because it can move, it's very fluid. But I think once, you know,

I would never bet on Bitcoin in the beginning to create wealth, I would use real, I would never bet on Bitcoin in the beginning to create wealth. I would use real, I would use people, if that's not a terrible word, use in a good way, that we're using one another, right? To get fiat, to invest in something real and get that real thing to pay me cash. And I would use the distributions to live off of

or to buy my next, my Bitcoin investment. How do you deal with the volatility? Well, I don't ever trade anything, so, you know. But I'm saying if you put up the Bitcoin in 21 years, so. Good, I don't do trades. That's a good investment, right? But the, let's say it's, and we're gonna, you know, neither one of us are gonna look as good as the Bitcoin will

in 20 years from now. That's for sure. You, I don't know, your age and well. I don't know, we'll see what happens. But 90,000 today could be 30,000 a week from now. Yeah, and I buy some more. I expected to go there actually. I think it does go back down. Yeah.

But I'm a 10 year guy. I'm a 10, 15, 20 year guy. You're a patient guy. Like if you look at the, because you're Catholic, right? Yeah. I was raised Catholic. So not the Vatican.

What's the name of the building that's sowing everybody loves so much? The Vatican. Oh, it's the Vatican. Yeah. Okay. I mean, how long has it been? Yeah, they've got St. Peter's Basilica there. There you go.

That's where I was thinking of. How long has that building been there? Long time. The Catholic church owns more real estate than any other group on planet earth. So if you could go long periods of time, you're going to be fine. But if you're trying to get in and out,

you know, Trump lost the Plaza, over leveraged it. Probably, you know, top five pieces of real estate on planet earth, over leveraged it, couldn't weather the storm, lost it. It's gotta be one of his great regrets. Probably because the prestige of that building that made him, that made him what they call in Yiddish a marker. He was a top tier guy with that.

And then when it went down, it defined him for a long time. Would you consider going into the administration to help your friend, president elect Trump? I would go, yes, yeah, I would. Yeah, but to help the people. Yeah, why else would you go? Yeah, I would, well, not to help him so much would. Yeah, but to help the people. Yeah, why else would you go? Yeah, I would, well, not to help him so much. I would do it to help the people.

I think if I could get a position where I could actually help transform things, which I think could be very easily done, by the way. Easily done. I think there's a number of things that could be easily done. What can be done easily? Well, for instance, that night

that you were so nice to have me on your show, and we're gonna do it again. Okay, with, you know why? Because he's handsome. Go ahead. Okay. With Bill, Bill was on. I didn't know he was gonna be on, right?

I've never debated a politician. But I'm like, these guys are out of ideas. Like, I'm like, that wasn't a debate. He has no solutions except section eight, government, raise taxes, build something. You don't need to do that shit. Like there's so many things that can be done that a businessman does with no budget.

Like? That government can do. Because government isn't based on working on a profit. They don't have business savvy people. I was at an event this morning with, what was it, Bazinga? Okay. Yeah. I left an event, my event yesterday,

I had 1,100 people at the event for two days. I come to their event, they got fucking 35 people there. Cause they're funded, they raised money from some investors and they don't know how to get money to fill the room. So I've never taken any investors money. In the beginning, we took no money. I have no promotion, like no sponsorship.

I just learned how to get money, right? So with the government, the problem with the government is it just always gets money from another group where business people would, the housing problem. There's 4 million vacant homes right now in America today that literally, you can literally give to someone. There's not 4 million, there's not shortage of now in America today, that literally you can literally give to someone. There's not four million, there's not shortage of housing in America.

Everybody says there's a shortage of housing. It's bullshit. It's not true. Is it because those homes are not affordable or habitable? There's empty bedrooms. Look, this is one of them. I could sleep here tonight if I made the right deal with you. I don't need to go buy a house this morning.

You don't have to make a deal. If you wanted to stay here, the answer would be yes. But you know, they're all over the place. But the government says, oh, we have to build something new and we have to raise dollars and we need to make another rule and another law. It's not necessary, okay? Go to Dubai, you've been to Dubai.

Look how they're building over there. I go to New Jersey, I cross the river over there, it takes seven years to build something. So you think it's regulations? Oh, 100% regulations. And they should give incentives to a guy like me. I have 15,000 apartments. There's what?

A thousand of them are vacant right now. If they came to me and said, fill those units up, we'll give you no taxes on those 1500 units. I mean, I fucking fill them up. So wait, hold on. And it'd be a good deal for them. I get it. It'd be a good deal for the city.

It's a good deal for me, the investor. There are already vacant units all over New York, all over New Jersey, all over Miami. So wait, so slow it down for me. Why are there 4 million vacant homes? Why are there a thousand vacant Cardone apartments? Because nobody can keep anything full because I have this, somebody coming in,

then they're gonna leave. Nobody stays full. Nobody ever builds the right amount. So you don't believe it's a supply issue? No, I'm not, 100%, I don't. But I tend to think around, I bend around corners. So even if it is a supply issue, like he wants to build on federal land.

I mean, who wants to live on federal land? People who can't live anywhere else. But then they don't have a job. Because they can't get anywhere. Yeah, I mean like who, you know, there's no jobs out there. So that's the problem. 80% of the population lives in like 20 cities.

And then those cities are gonna get bigger. And it's, you know, it's just- Do you think the cities get bigger? Do you think people with remote work and stuff like that just start moving to the places that are more sparsely populated? I think the remote work failed. Really?

And it will never work. And you're gonna see people go back to office buildings. Really? Yeah, and you're gonna have bigger office buildings, not smaller ones. Really? Yeah. This is very unconventional thinking.

Because I gotta tell you, well, my business is a little different. It isn't working well in my business. You need to be around. I know right now my team's like this guy. I'm only there like once a week. It's different. I do my own writing.

I talk to Dusty, my EP, all day long. But the connective tissue matters in my business. But for a lot of people, I have people who work remote. They like it. The company doesn't. You don't think the efficiency's there? No, I know it. I mean, they've all quit it.

Everybody that was for it, everybody that said it was gonna work, I don't know how you look like this on that couch the whole time like this. I feel uncomfortable for you. Why? Because it's like that. Oh,'t know how you look like this on that couch the whole time like this. I feel uncomfortable for you. Why? Because it's like that. Oh no, no, no, this is fine.

I'm sitting like this because I have herniated discs in my back from the fighting. And- Who you fighting? I have been doing different kinds of self-defense and ground fighting for 35 years. But something, I got kicked like two weeks ago by mistake. We were sparring, but I mean, and I'm old. Something, I got kicked like two weeks ago by mistake. We were sparring, but I mean, and I'm old. So like shit that used to hurt is now an injury.

So I'm just living on a leaf and waiting for it to go away. Don't worry about me. You look good for being old, dude. You look good for being old. So continue your point. What was it? What we were talking about? See that? You don't even remember what we were talking about.

So I'm thinking about your back. Thank you very much. Cause I know what pain's like, pain's terrible, man. Pain is terrible. You read the Sarno book? No. See, we're similar. We jump around topics, it's where our brains.

Yeah, it's fine. It's good though. The Sarno book, Oh, My Aching Back is a good way to deal with the pain. The pain is real, but your tension around it makes it stay. You were taking me through housing and then the transition of- Remote, remote, remote work, yeah.

So we have 260 employees in Miami, another 250 or so in Arizona. We never shut down. You come to work, you come to work every day, sometimes six to seven days a week. And if you don't want to, you just don't get to work there. So we never ever shut down. I never bought the bullshit.

How many people did you lose? Oh, I don't know. I've hired thousands of people. But I'm saying- Like I've been through thousands of people. But I'm not saying- I'm surrounded by turnover. I'm not saying turnover in terms of the nature

of your business dynamic. I'm saying from that decision. No, we grew. I mean, we just grew. Net, we grew. So during the pandemic, people didn't say I can't come in? It's dangerous? Sure they did.

And then we found people that would. You remember, I think it was September 23rd or something and Google and the banks and Facebook said, when September, there was some date. Let's pretend it was September 23rd or something and Google and the banks and Facebook said, when September, there was some date. Let's pretend it was that date. On this day, if you don't get vaccinated, you cannot work here anymore.

So the date, when I saw that coming down, two days before that, it was a Monday, I advertised on Google and Facebook and just did a little meme, did a little pop-up. If you work for Google, any of the banks, Facebook, the airlines, I will hire you, relocate you. We had 4,700 resumes in 48 hours. Wow.

We couldn't even respond to all of them. We opened a remote thing up. We did a remote thing and said, hey, we're gonna hire salespeople from around the country. You get to stay where you're at. It was a bit of a come on. You can stay remote, okay? We had like, I don't know, 6,000 interviews.

Now, what happened was those people that we hired, we then invited into our office and said, would you like to be in this environment or would you like to go home and do this on your own? And they're like, man, I'd rather stay here because of the environment. And that's the problem with office, right? The real problem with office is not

where somebody wants to be, is that the company's not providing a winning environment and a culture where there's pressure and compression and motivation and excitement. I think that's why leadership is so important. One of the reasons is culture, whether it's you, Anthony, who's better looking

than you give him credit for, or our friend Patrick, that David. Yeah. You go to that value tainment place. Yeah. Those people, and I know it's not just value tainment, he's got his consulting, he's got the insurance, they believe as a team in that place.

And it's such a force multiplier. And it's an interesting transition point for us because I believe that belief, reason to believe is really at a low right now. Somebody said something to me this morning made me realize I don't hear people say enough. Like the flag has become the Republican Party symbol. I don't know why the Democrats gave it to the Republicans,

but they did. You see a Rep... I have a flag on my truck. People say to me, I don't have like a big flag hanging off. I have a state. And they'll say to me- You don't have a 40 footer? Yeah, they'll say, why do you have a flag on your truck?

I'll say because I'm proud of my country. Exactly. And they're like, oh, I'm say, why do you have a flag on your tree? I'll say, because I'm proud of my country. Exactly. And they're like, oh, I'm surprised that you do that because Democrats hate the country. I was like, first of all, Democrats don't hate the country. I'm not a Democrat. But the point remains, where do you think we are and how fundamental is it to what you say

in terms of getting things done easily, that you believe that that's the culture, that that's where you are, that people are motivated to do things different. Yeah, I mean, look, man, belief is everything. Like, you know, and most of the time I don't have it. I grew up very similar situation to you. I mean, you have way more connections than I did,

but you had them all. Like I wasn't connected. You didn't have money maybe, but I don't know, maybe you did. No. We didn't have money and I didn't have a father. Okay, and so all I had was stories about the Great Depression, food lines, be grateful for what you have. Like you need to be happy.

I'm like fucking happy, goddamn. Everybody's worried every goddamn day. You're clipping coupons, you're spending freaking, my mama just sat there and clipped on the dotted line. She knew where every one of those coupons were. She knew what day they worked. I mean, she's like, stay out of that drawer. I'm an identical twin with the last of five kids

and me and my brother, I'm 11 years old. We're in there pissing down the hallway. I piss, I go to flush. And my mom's like, no, let him piss too. Like save the water. Everything was about saving, fear. There was so much fear. We were middle-class.

We were a middle-class family, but there was fear everywhere. No belief, or really the belief was negative. You're gonna go broke, something bad's gonna happen. The roofer's gonna fuck you. Car dealer's gonna screw you. You can't make any investments. The investment guy's gonna screw you,

everything was like, it was just terrible, dude. Hey, that's exactly what just decided this election, by the way, is you have a majority, right? I mean, the numbers are the numbers. You have a majority in the country and the Democrats lost the plot on this point, that the pain is real out there. And it's not a relative assessment.

No one wants to say, well, but Grant's got it worse than you do. I'm sorry for Grant, I worry about me. Or the economy's not what it was a year ago, we're in a better place now. I don't feel better. I'm worried about everything. I cannot live the dream.

And the American dream is largely about having things. And they're seeing it now on Instagram. This is the other thing that's happened that I think is, that nobody's talking about. When social media hit and people like idiots like me start showing off their plane and their car, all of a sudden it becomes real. And I think people have seen possibility.

So wait, you see it as aspirational. It's aspiration. Not them judging you, like you're a part of the elite, now I have to hate you. Well, they are, there is some of that, but when it scales so hard, it used to be the kings hid behind the walls, right? Unless you got in the bedroom,

you didn't see what the sheets were like. Today, man, you can see the sheets. You can see the sheets, the lifestyle, the trips, the vacations, the watches, the cars. Like for the first time ever, the cover on the rich has been pulled back. And it's normal people. Like I'm a normal guy.

I grew up in the bayous, the Louisiana, dude. Like people are like, he can do that, I can do this. And I think that that's very aspirational. And that's the leadership that you're talking about, the believability of like, he can do it, I can do this. And I think that that's very aspirational. And that's the leadership that you're talking about, the believability of like, he can do it, I can do it. I don't like the, I mean- Your shape and your condition, your muscle, tells me, hey, if he can have that at 64 years old,

I can. I'm 54. I'm 54. Scaramucci. I'll kick you right in the neck. Scaramucci. Scaramucci. Scaramucci, when he, like the way he walks around,

you know, I'm like, oh shit. He's had health issues. Whatever. He was a college lacrosse player. Whatever. I'm telling you, he'll be back. Have you had health issues? Oh, I've had health issues.

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That's one kind of elite. That's one kind of establishment. That's one kind of establishment. My concern is that we seem to be punishing the idea of success. Yeah. That like, no, anyone who's wealthy is somehow bad. And look, I mean, I get that. My father was a real anti-elitist

because they had looked down on him as an Italian. He was never considered a white guy. You and I are white guys. That generation, my father was described as a swarthy ethnic, gap-toothed Mario, mercurial Mario, is he a mafiosi? That's how he was dealt with. Greaseball.

He didn't give him jobs. He had to share the valedictory at his school with an Irish guy because they were in control of the school. So he was the real deal, but he never punished the dream of being rich. He would just say to people, like he loved meeting people who had done it themselves. And he said, I'm asking, what are you gonna do with it?

What are you gonna do with it? What do you wanna do with the money? And that was his point of fascination is like, you know. He was curious about it. Yeah, like, what are you gonna give it to your kids? You're just gonna ruin them. So what do you wanna do with it? And that was, he never was,

I don't like you because you're wealthy. Now it's like we're punishing success as a way of reducing people's concern that they're not good enough. And to give them someone to be angry at. I think there is that audience of haters and that have quit on the dream. But I also know that there's an audience out there

that's like inspired and inspired by it. They just don't get the headlines. They're not the protesters. Right, right. So the media is not gonna pick up. I love Grant Cardone, by the way, now I'm a cult. Yeah, you have a big following. Yeah, but I'm just saying it becomes culty like,

like negative if people follow. But it's not like- It's not like you're- As opposed to people hate. Like hate is a cult too. Yeah, that's true. And look, depending on what you're selling, it works for you either way, right?

Oh, 100. As long as they'll pay attention to you, it doesn't matter why. All you haters out there, please don't quit hating on me. Okay, you keep my fire fucking bright. Why don't quit? Why do you think you have haters? Well, personally, I think hate is just a perverted

form of admiration. I just think it's a, they actually admire me and they can't send me that. Because? Because they're reminded that they quit on that very thing that I accomplished. I don't have that problem. Like when I was with this guy,

he's worth 12 or $13 billion, self-made guy, number eight, rated eight on the Forbes list. I don't hate him, dude, because he's rich. I admire him. Like to me, I just want to praise him. Like, dude, that's amazing. He had to get it. He had to get it. He had to keep it.

And then he had to figure out how to multiply, you know? Now he's got to figure out how to give it away. Like your dad was fascinated about. Well, use it, you know what I mean? I don't have to give it away. But I think it is an interesting thing. Like what do you do with your money? My point is that plenty of people can get money.

And a lot of people even have trouble with that. Most of the country knows how to get it. They don't know how to keep it. And part of this is because, and this is where I kind of think a little different than most people, we have been, we're not financially illiterate, okay? We are financially indoctrinated to not have money.

You cannot have a country that's this wealthy and have so many people that aren't wealthy. Unless those people were educated, play the game like this, you know. Which is what, to live on credit? No, no, definitely not. They need to. Right, that's your idea about cash is king.

Don't you have concerns that- Save your money, save your money, save your money, save your money. You can't save money, it's impossible. There has never been in the history of money a way to save money. Well, people have savings. No, no, they have a deception. You put a million dollars in an account in 2020,

today you open it up, you didn't earn any interest on it. Let's say. It's gonna say a million dollars. It's the Bank of America, Citibank, Goldman Sachs. It's gonna still say a million dollars under your name. But what they didn't tell you was that it does not buy a million dollars worth of services. If it was true, like truth in, I don't know, currency.

If there was a truth in currency display on there where you had to give complete acknowledgement that that is only $680,000. Oh, because of the cost of living. Yes. Because it was like, this money was printed in 2020. It would then say, my money was, I got a $1958 in my pocket, right?

I don't really, but $100. It should say on there, 10 bucks. Is that when you were born? Yeah. See, I know his age. I don't upsell him by 10 years. Go ahead. I'm over it, I'm over it. Not really, I'm not over it, I'm not over it. All right, now I'm over it, now I'm his age. I don't upsell him by 10 years. Go ahead. I'm over it. I'm over it.

Not really. I'm not over it. I'm not over it. All right, now I'm over it. Now I'm over it. I'm so easy to get this guy. All you gotta do is bring up his looks. 10 years older than I am?

No, you look great, dude. You look great, dude. Continue. You look great. So what do you think we should be telling people? No, examples. We need to quit telling people anything. We need to show people examples.

Show me how you can do this. Like show me how to do it. Fucking quit teaching me shit, okay? Show me how to get a dollar. Show me what to do with a dollar, okay? When we, in our classes, like we have kids come in our school room. We do not teach them first.

We say earn and then learn. Get the bag, now what? Oh shit, that worked, right? I don't teach a kid about candy. I let him eat the candy. He's like, I want another lick of that. So we're not, we're teaching children and their parents the wrong way.

Overwhelming with information, you need life insurance. You need to save money. You need to diversify. You gotta have a, you know, 40% here, I'm like, fuck, I ain't going to do anything. I'm confused. So what am I gonna do? I'm gonna leave my money at the bank.

And what does the bank do with my money? They lend it out to people like me. They do not keep the money. So I wrote Trump and the Harris administration. I didn't call it Make Americans Wealthy again, but Harris, I called it something else. But with him, I called it something else, but with him I'm like,

hey, let me help you roll a program out on the 20th of January, where we educate all Americans how to have wealth. The path, how to get there, the wrecks along the way, what wealthy people do with their money. You know, like it's all an open book. Why don't we just teach people that schools can't. Imagine if every American

at least had a choice to have wealth. Does capitalism support that when you need winners and losers? Oh yeah, 100%. Because I mean, you don't have to have losers. Everybody could be an exchange. Everybody can win. In a deal, in a great deal, everybody would win. There would not be a loser. The deal that I put together for you, for your house, if you wanted to sell this place, everybody wins on that fucking deal except the bank. Because right now the bank wins on every transaction,

the good, the bad, the ugly, everything. So what we did at like Cardone Capital is I basically bypassed the bank, Goldman Sachs, boss, you know, all these guys down south. I've never gotten a penny from them. I could raise the billion dollars, 1.5 billion, five billion dollars for the real estate. And I just don't use them.

I go to people. I go to the world. I go to the people that actually need the investments. Regular, everyday people. There's millions of us. And rather than, look what you've done with your show, okay, rather than depending upon the network. What was the name of that network?

The one I'm at? No, the one you were at. Oh, CNN? Yeah, yeah. Rather than depending on them, boom, you're gonna do your own thing. And that's what we did with money. And people can actually start thinking about

how to do that with money and cut out the fucking rich guys. I'm not a rich guy, okay? Yeah, you are. No, no, Fidelity's a rich guy. Fidelity's 14 trillion. Fidelity's a lot of rich guys. But you're a rich guy. Well, yeah, but-

And I think it's a good thing. No, thank you. It's a blessing. Yeah, no, from nothing. So, from a drug problem at 24 years old. But the real wealth in this country is in a handful of machines, not people. Not Jeff Bezos, that is the bad guy.

So how, can government address that? Or are you crazy because you're going against the power structure? Barack passed the Jobs Act that opened this up. They gave me permission to go raise money online at scale. So that was a great passage of that act. They need to lower the requirements. There's this non-accredited accredited thing

the SEC has in this terrible. Discriminatory best is racist, like borders on racism. Because it's too selective. Because it says, if you make $189,000 and I come to you, I say, Chris, man, I got this deal, dude. I bought it. I'm buying it with my money. This is how we do our deals.

I'm buying it with my cash, and then I'm gonna give it to a bunch of guys. Whoever wants it can have it. And if you guys don't want it, I'm gonna keep the whole fucking thing to myself. This deal is a screamer. And the SEC would say you can't invest in that deal. Because I don't make enough money to be an investor.

Because you're not smart enough. You're not sophisticated enough, you caveman looking Italiano. Ferris has- Dago WAP. They say they're protecting people from being scammed by too much risk. They're protecting Blackstone

and Bank of America and Wells Fargo and Fidelity. That's why that law was put in. That's a bullshit law. Who really needs that investment? And then by the way, if you make 200 grand a year or even 189,000 at lower number, you can only put 10% of your money in that deal.

Now why in a free country? Should you be protected by the government? Yeah, man. Like what if that's the deal that's gonna change your life? It changed my life. Investing made me a creditor investor, not earning income. Okay, my own income is going to go down in value. I earn income, save it at the bank.

Good for the bank. The bank's not gonna even keep it. Okay, they're gonna send it out to investors, the Blackstones and the Black Rocks. That's how this system works. And it bypass the little guy. So they basically got access to all the little guy. 97.5% of the entire American public is non-aggraded and don't get access to alternative great investments.

The problem of the big guys eating everything up for themselves. Your brother in arms in supporting the president, Bobby Kennedy, says that the housing shortage is because of big guys buying up a ton of units. Yeah, not true. It's not true. Big guys own a very little bit of the real estate in America. So it's just not true.

Just finding a convenient guy that people don't like, which is the big guy. Well, I mean, I know he thinks they're buying all of it. Like we buy assets from them. So they're not buying all of it because I know where I'm buying my assets from. The real problem is Americans are buying single family homes rather than the assets that the big guys are buying. Which are what, the multifamily homes?

Yeah, 100%. So Americans have been educated by the banks again. Can they afford it though? People will say, I can't buy a house. Like I was talking with Greg, my producer, he's got a little baby now. It'd be cheaper for me to buy this whole building than one unit.

But how would you get the capital? I mean, for you, yeah, because you're a man of means. No, because I could get a loan. I could get a loan on this whole building easier than I could get a loan on one unit. Really? Let's pretend I could get everybody out that owns this property.

I could try to buy one unit. Or how many units are in this building? 50. Let's say there's 50. I could get a loan on the 50 without even using my own personal credit. But if I tried to buy one, I would need my own personal credit. But if I tried to buy one, I would need my own personal credit.

This people just don't know this. I didn't know it. Of course not because the bank of America said, you should buy a home. Your dad told you you should buy a home. His grandparent, your granddad said, buy a home, don't rent, buy a home, don't rent, buy a home, don't rent.

What he should have said is buy the whole building and rent it out to other people and then go live some other place. But they didn't tell us that. I was 28 years old and I bought my first house. I shouldn't have. I should have invested in my business and in myself. What's a 28 year old kid hunkering down for?

It's just the priority, the sequence of investing is incorrect. Let me put your mind to a different matter. When you look at government, other than this kind of rigged capital system, you are enthusiastic about the president getting in because you believe things need to be disrupted and changed. Like what?

Well, first of all, I don't believe he's a Republican. So let me just get that out of the way for everybody. I don't think Donald Trump is a Republican. What is he? I think the Republican party is not the, I think it's a, man, I think this is a new thing, man. So wait, he's not a Republican and the Republicans aren't the Republicans.

So who are they? I think some of those guys are Republicans. But I think- What is he? I don't think, I think- What is he? I think he's a freak of nature. Politically, what is he? I don't think he's a Republican. I think he's MAGA actually.

I think this MAGA thing is actually a real thing now. I wouldn't have said that four or five years ago. Something happened where this make America great again thing is starting to really resonate with people like, yeah, I want my country back. I want greatness. I want potential. Back from who?

I want it back from drifting off into fucking boys bathrooms and Ukraine and like the drift to save the world. Okay, and it's fine. Save the whole world. If you're safe, if your cities are fine, like the drift to save the world, okay? And it's fine, save the whole world. If you're safe, if your cities are fine, but our resources are starting to look depleted. Why Ukraine and not Israel?

Israel too, by the way. If I was president, I'd say we're banning all wars for 12 years, we're not gonna fucking invest anything. You guys kill yourselves, go for it. You got 12 years, fucking hit it. Hit it hard. We're gonna stay out all your bullshit. We're gonna reinvest all the money right here in America.

In 12 years from now, y'all gonna look up and see a freaking super country. But what about your allies? I'm not worried about them right now. For a very short period of time. I know it seems impossible. I mean, you frame as one thing, but no. I would not have the IRS.

I would not collect no internal revenue service taxes. Then where do you get the revenue for the government? Property taxes. So I didn't pay any federal last year. Well then wouldn't that affect people's ability to buy property? No. Why not?

Because I have more money now. Oh, because there's no income. I made, let's say I made $10 million last year and now I don't pay $4 million in federal. I have $4 million in federal. But isn't it just shift in pockets? But now you're gonna have to pay a lot more in public.

Yeah, it's back to my pocket. Not Adam Shift or, you know, whoever these people are. Donald Trump, it shouldn't be up to Donald Trump how we use money. Or Brock, it shouldn't be up to Donald Trump how we use money. Or Brock, it shouldn't be up to those people, it should be up to me how I use my money. Let me just go work my money. And what funds the government?

Property taxes. Wouldn't they have to be crazy high? No, but like last year, I paid no federal, okay? No federal taxes, but I paid 40 million in property taxes. I paid a bunch of social security taxes. I have a bunch of employees. So I'm contributing, but only at the local level. So why should I fund New York City if I'm not invested here?

Because we're all in it together. That's why, because it's a country you're supposed to take care of each other. How do you explain how Mississippi and Louisiana then? Because we don't do it well. Okay. I mean, that's what, like, look, why do we call America the experiment? We call America the experiment

or America is referred to as an experiment because nobody's ever done this before. Yeah. And it's hard. We should experiment with some of this do stuff then. I think that there is, what do they call it? Paralysis by analysis. We live in a society that is driven

by me making advantage over proving you fucked up. Personally, all day long. And anything I can get you on, doesn't matter what you did. You could be saving a child from the mouth of a tiger. Right, right, right. If I find out that you also did this thing that's somehow moral, it's gotta be moral.

It's gotta be moral or immoral. Because we are a completely faux puritanical society, right? We'll kill you for that, but we all do it, right? If I show a nipple on TV tonight, I'm done, I'm fired. We consume more porn than any other country per capita. So it's gotta be moral. So on the personal level, all got you all the time. And then in terms of how we look at government

and look at people who try things, the expression is America loves to come back. Yeah, after we killed you the first time. Yeah. You know, once we killed you the first time, then yeah, we'll see if you can come back. I think that's a reason that people don't experiment. Now, not, I'm saying on the big level, you experimented.

You know, you made ways of doing things that, you know, were very risky and now you know how to do them and reduce the risk. But on the government level, on the political level, people don't wanna take risks because you get judged by your failures, not your successes. Yeah. But when you got a guy like Elon getting in there saying,

hey, I don't care. Yeah. Or he does care more and has nothing to lose. He doesn't care about what people say about what he does. Yeah, exactly. But, and he's not gonna be up for another term either, having to sell himself. No, neither is Trump.

Yeah, I think that's a great combination. What do you think of people who say, whoa, what Cuomo just said, we don't know that that's true. We don't know that he's gonna leave. We don't know that he's not going on a revenge tour. We're not going that he has to be a dictator. Hey, I hear it all the time.

Do you? Yeah, and I gotta tell you, you know what? He's not a dictator. You know what people don't like to hear? Me say that. Yeah, yeah. People get so mad at me. This guy wants to win, period.

I know this guy, this guy, high ego, extremely high ego. What's the value of an extremely high ego? I wanna win, I wanna look good, and I wanna be remembered in a good way. He does not wanna lose. He wants to do good things. Probably more so now today than even the first time. He is not on the Cardone Cuomo fitness plan.

No, no, he's not, dude. He may wanna look good, but he has a different definition than you and I do. I mean, there's something to be said. There's something to be said about a guy that can eat fucking McDonald's, drink Coca-Cola. Like his belief right now might be like, I'm good. And belief, the mind over matter thing is real shit.

You're in good shape because you believe you can be. Let's keep it real. And I do the work. And you do the work. But you wouldn't do the work if you didn't believe you can make yourself look a certain way. It is true. So the number one thing that knocks you off a diet

is that you feel that you're not gonna meet your goal. Right. Why would I keep depriving myself? Yeah. I get it. And I think that translates. I think a big problem that we have now is that we're addicted to the negative

and we apply it nowhere else in our lives. I mean, just imagine parents talking to their kids the way we discuss our politics. And, you know, me looking at my son being like, let's be honest, okay? You're not gonna set the world on fire, all right? I know you say you wanna do this, you wanna do that. I don't think you're gonna do it.

Right, right, right. And this ain't gonna work. In politics, we do that all the time, right? This one's worse than this one. Which one's worse? You know, your kid comes home. How'd you do on the test? I got a 71.

71? Hey, my friend got a 68. Oh, okay. That would never happen. You know, paying with your kid. But in politics, we do it all the time. You know, this guy, oh man, he's got all these things wrong with him.

Oh yeah, but you know, she's kind of worse. Right, right. All right, then I gotta wrong with him. Oh yeah, but she's kind of worse than people. All right, then I gotta go with him. We don't apply this anywhere else. When you're looking at investments and someone showed you, well, you're gonna lose 18% on this one, but you lose 24% on that one. So let's invest, you're like, get the fuck out of my office.

Our politics, we do not treat with that sense of pride in what it can be. But that's because the parties benefit from dragging us down. That's their currency. That's their investment. You think both parties benefit from that? Oh yeah, all day. Now, the Democrats made a fundamental-

See, you know much more about politics than I do. I have no idea how complicated. I think that the problem is thinking it's complicated. It's real simple. It's all Occam's razor. What is Occam's razor? Straight line analysis of the most, the best solution will often be the most obvious,

the most direct. Fastest way for me. And in politics, it's, okay, it's me versus Cardone in this election. I got a problem. This guy's got a lot of things going for him. I have to make him lose. I'm not gonna beat him.

It is too hard. It's too low percentage. What do we have on him? First thing I do is invest in people that can tell me what's wrong with Cardone. Here's the people, here's what it is. That's all I'm talking about. And you're like, wait a minute,

I thought we were trying to decide who's gonna build the park for the kids. Yeah, but it can't be you. Why not? Because yeah, I heard you did that. I heard you did that. And that's the easiest way. That's the, especially in a binary system.

That's why I have such a problem with the party system. If it's just you and them, what directions are gonna go? Us lifting each other up? No, it's a battle to the bottom. And the Democrats made the mistake of playing Trump's game, which is grievance. Trump was the head of a grievance movement, right? And as the head of a grievance movement,

if you get into the which is worse, you lose. Because he was coming into it with people wanting to disrupt everything she represents, not her race or her gender necessarily, right? Racism, sexism, that's a real thing. But this election overall was who's more pissed. His side's more pissed. Now, I didn't know his side was a majority of the country.

I thought it was his race to lose, but I did not think he'd win the popular vote. And she was a terrible option. She was put in a bad position. I had a guy today say she should have declined to run. She should have known that she was gonna be a bad candidate. Didn't everybody else around her though? Isn't that how she got Timmy?

But Walls? Yeah. Well, they always try to balance tickets. Yeah, that was like, that was terrible. You think she should have picked Shapiro? She should have picked anybody. I don't think anybody, I don't think she did the picking. I think somebody said, I'll do it.

I don't think she had a pick. I don't think anybody wanted to roll with her. Like if I look at her as a human, as human talent, okay? And I'm like, okay, do I want her to run my company? Do I want her to communicate to my investors? Do I want her to sell my guys on being motivated? Fuck, none of that. None of that.

She's got nothing. I mean, maybe she's intelligent, but where is it? I didn't see it, I didn't hear it. Well, she's gotta be intelligent. Lawyer, prosecutor, attorney general, senator. Why does she have to be? Because being an attorney general is not an easy job. Okay, maybe.

You gotta be smart. I don't know, I have no clue what she did as an attorney general is not an easy job. Okay, maybe. You gotta be smart. I don't know, I have no clue what she did as an attorney general. Being a state senator. She was in California, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Anti-California?

I lived there for 25 years. They're a fucking ruin. The greatest resources this country has. Fucking ruined it. 14.4% state income tax. Right. Okay, they're gonna have a $2 gas tax by 2030. That means if gasoline is four bucks here,

it's gonna be six bucks there. It's insanity. Most expensive housing in the country. Five of the eight most expensive cities in the country are in California. Why? They have the most housing because they regulate everything.

Housing controls, eviction moratoriums, you can't raise rents. If you can't raise rents, the property values are gonna explode. Rent is what actually keeps the property values down. Because it creates a competitive market. Yeah, and because it creates a competitive market. For rent is what I mean.

And then they fund all these programs. Have you been to San Diego lately? Oh, yes I have. Yeah. Dude, that's the most beautiful city in the United States up until about five years ago. They ruined it. Because?

They let all the homeless shelters into downtown by the baseball park. Guys are building 10 and 20 billion, putting 10 and 20 billion billion worth of investments. And then they, somebody said, let homeless live down there. And they just like overnight turned into shit. What would you do with homeless? Man, that's a complicated one right there.

I'll tell you what, I'd worry about them though, before I'd worry about Ukraine. You know, that's 250 billion. That would have solved some problems. So what do you do with Russia going in there? Well, I, personally, yeah. I mean, nobody's gonna like what I'm gonna say. I'm here for your take.

Thank you, I'm here for you. Not for you to please people. I'd be like, let them work it out, dude. If I was, I mean, I wouldn't take on Putin. He doesn't want that. He doesn't want real estate. He wants his front yard. He wants his front door, his front wall protected.

I think Joe Biden gave him permission to go in there. Oh, you do? 100%. Really? How could he make a move without the approval of the sitting president? By doing it without the approval of the sitting president? He went and sat there for three weeks.

He sat on that there for three weeks. He sat on that board for three weeks and then moved. There's no way. But they were telling him not to do it. You know more about politics than I do. Yeah, they were telling him not to do it. No, that's what they were telling us. They were saying to him. Yes, that's what they were saying to us.

They were saying to him. Yeah. And then he went in. Yeah. And then we don't have all this stuff to scream. You know, when I was a single man, women would say, you know, I'm not sleeping with you. I'm say, you know, I'm not sleeping with you. I'm not sleeping with you.

I'm not sleeping with you. I'm like, oh yeah, for sure you're sleeping with me. You said it too many times now. Like, you know what I'm saying? Quite the charmer. Now I'm just saying, like, but why did we give Ukraine all these weapons then if we wanted Russia to go in there?

If we told them they should go in? You know, here, we look good. We haven't given them what they need to stop a war, to be an equal. And then Black Rock and Blackstone and Vanguard have already got their deal over there. That deal's gone. That deal was inked.

So they're gonna rebuild it. There's gonna be a victory. This has happened five or six or seven times in your lifetime. So you believe that the forever wars is a real thing in America that people wanna see them stop. Get us out of that.

I think Americans as a majority right now are like, I don't wanna do any more of this. Do you believe that? I wanna invest that money here in America. Like the argument I have, I'm a generous person. I don't mind paying taxes, but I'm not getting anything back. Like show me what I got. I don't mind helping anyone, right?

Show me what I got. You can't, nobody can show me what I'm getting. And if you can't show me a receipt that me paying federal taxes funds Ukraine and that somehow made my family better, my community better, my customers better, my investors better, my real estate better, my future better. I just don't get it.

I couldn't find Ukraine on a map before this happened. I mean, look, I think the president is a lot the same way, not just the map part, that he does not believe. I remember him talking about the Iraq war. I remember him, look, he may have vacillated a little bit. Right, oh, long, long, long before., he may have vacillated a little bit. Right, oh, long, long, long before. But he may have vacillated a little bit,

but he was definitely outspoken about saying, we're not gonna get the oil. Like, well, why are we going there? Now, there's a whole other theory of it, but you gotta meet the people where they are. And it does seem from this past election that people want it rethought. This audience is a bunch of critical thinkers.

Independent, breaks, center. And there's gonna be a bunch of critical thinkers, independent, breaks, center. There's gonna be a lot of hate here. Breaks, no, no, breaks, pretty open-minded. I have a lot of different people sit where you are. Okay. Breaks, I would say center left, but I have a lot more center right that have been enthusiastic about what I'm doing.

And center left and on are very suspicious of what I'm doing. So what would you say to this audience? Well, I would say, first of all, what you're doing to me now, Chris, is like much more welcoming, definitely more, makes me think more than the show you are doing.

But you just didn't like CNN. No, I mean, I grew up with CNN. I grew up, I was a- During the Trump administration. I was a Democrat. You didn't like CNN. I don't like the talent on CNN. You know, I liked you on there,

but most of those people are not fucking very talented. Talented meaning? I don't like Fox either. I'll just tell you, I hate all this shit. Like there is no show, like show me, like even during the day CNBC's got their little money show, but they're not teaching anybody anything. There's no aspiration there.

It's that percentage of the population. At night, everybody's just getting hit with, they're wrong, they're wrong. Like, what you're doing right now is neither one. It is a intellectual conversation, a consideration, a like, can I even work my critical thinking muscle? What if we did not collect $2 trillion in federal taxes? Oh, you can't do that.

That's the first thing everybody says. Well, why not, dude? What if we just cut, took three months and didn't collect a penny? I know the country's not gonna stop. Like, why don't we have some exercises, go back to exercising possibility. That's why I love your show.

So that's what I would tell them, guys just ask questions. And definitely number two, don't make people wrong without checking out their track record. Like we should measure information based on who's given them the message. So Grant writes a letter to Trump in July, okay? And he says, I can be ready to roll out Make America Wealthy again. The goal would be to build the strongest, most financially

independent middle class on the planet. I would donate my time and educational resources to assist your administration in creating millions of new millionaires across the country. And the itemized part of it is a scale of three phases. One, public awareness, what? The conversation we were having earlier about how you think you're supposed to do it versus how you could, okay?

The second is- Trump would sell it. Trump would bring the public awareness. George Bush tried to do it. He was just a terrible pitchman. Right, well, Trump can certainly pitch. The curriculum, which is the how-to, what do you have to do?

And the third is the delivery. What's the delivery? We didn't have it in 2002. We had TV channels only. Now you have Facebook, Instagram, Google, TikTok. You force, you mandate, it would be a regulation, you mandate to these handful of companies, hey, it's gonna be first, it's gonna sit at the top,

it's gonna be free, Netflix, Prime, all of them. You guys, you're going to deliver this to the middle class. Everybody's gonna have a chance to click it and watch it. We don't need TV networks, doesn't need to cost the taxpayers money. Boom, you just use the vehicles that we already have in place, my phone, so I can deliver to kids.

I can deliver 12 years old, 32 year olds, 62 year olds. I don't know why you couldn't use it. The networks, you got an easier reach. You got the FCC. Those are all railways that they're using for their signals. You know, you have a different audience. It's an older audience.

Look, I think it's a great idea. I think anything that empowers people and gives them a chance to recognize opportunity is a win. When people define the American dream, I always believe it's the ability to succeed or fail on your own merits. I think one of the mistakes in our development, and it comes from a good place, I believe,

which is we wanna try to keep people from failing. And I think there's something loving about that, but there's also tough love. And there's also, well, who are you using to help those people? And is that fair? And what's the balance of equities? And I think that's a conversation that nobody likes having,

because if you say, well, you gotta be more tough love, well, now you sound harsh. You want people to lose them, right? You want bad things. No, I don't want any bad things. Well, but they are gonna happen your way. Well, they're gonna happen anyway. And it's just gonna happen to more people over more time

because to hold up some, you're gonna wind up dragging down all at some point. That's why a lot of schools like teaching to the top. And then students find their place within that. You have different tracks of curriculum as a result. And you have different realities of one guy's gonna work in the toll booth and he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And the other guy's gonna build a toll booth.

Two different guys. And there's just different levels of aspiration. You would build the toll booth and I would be in it. I don't in it. I don't think so. That's how we work together. Grant Cardone. Thank you.

I appreciate the conversation. Appreciate you. I look forward to continuing it. Thank you for the kombucha. The kombucha. Kombucha. He's smart, he's successful, and he's good looking. Grant Cardone, sure there's controversy,

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