The Chris Cuomo Project - Why Members of Congress NEED To Banned from Trading Stocks

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Chris Cuomo makes the case for banning members of Congress from trading stocks, breaking down the ethical failures, political excuses, and bipartisan corruption that allow lawmakers to profit off legislation. From the Pivot Act and cybersecurity investments to Nancy Pelosi’s trades and the toothless STOCK Act, Cuomo explains why the current system fails the smell test and what a simple rule change could do to restore trust in public service. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You want to fight? You want to fight for a change that really matters? I have a change that would absolutely make our government more trustworthy and more about you. I'm Chris Cuomo. Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project. This is not something anyone in Congress wants and that's exactly why we need it.

And you know what it is? A very simple rule change. It's been proposed before. It has always stalled or died. And in fact, it stalled right now. And you know what it is? Members of Congress should not be able to trade stocks. There it is. Congress should not be able to trade stocks.

There it is. They should not be in the investment game when they are in public service. They should have to wait. And whatever investments they have should be put in a trust, a blind trust, where whoever is running it does not communicate with them and it's about preservation of assets. Well, that's not fair.

Who said anything about fair? Do you want to serve or not? The conflict standard is semblance of impropriety. All right, those are big words to say a very simple thing. Smell test. How does it smell if these men and women can trade in the same companies whose fates they control with legislation?

How? How does that ever pass the smell test? And every piece of evidence we have leads us to the same conclusion, and I have been doing my homework, and I will take you right through it. Here is what I've come up with. Okay? We start with a question. Why don't we allow players in professional sports to bet on their own games? Why don't we allow them to bet on their own games, even if they're only going to bet that they win? Right?

Doesn't everybody wanna win? Why can't you bet that you'll win? Well, why isn't it allowed? Why isn't it even a thought? Well, why doesn't even anybody open to it? Why did Pete Rose get blackballed, even though he was never betting, as far as we know that he was going to lose because it doesn't pass the smell test.

Oh, but members of Congress can. They can make bets on the companies that they are influencing. Really? Come on. You know it doesn't pass the smell test. So why does it exist? Because it's good for them. Now here's the problem. Okay? There is an obvious standard necessary. Okay? If there's an obvious standard necessary in sports, how is there not in public service? Oh well, they have to record them within 45 days of any trades, and then they go to the ethics committee.

Oh, really? The ethics committee, huh? The ethics committee that's staffed by who? Who are the members? Oh, other members of Congress. Oh, right. Oh, and by the way, even if those members of Congress on that ethics committee were beyond reproach, how much staff did they have?

Oh, somewhere between two dozen, three dozen people. Oh, so it was 25, 30, to review in the House, 330 something people stock trades every 45 days, any individual trade. So we're talking about what, hundreds of thousands of transactions. They barely make inside trading cases out of the SEC or the DOJ and that's all they're looking for

with trained professionals. And you think these people who are working for the House Ethics Committee are gonna be able to police all that stuff and catch everything? No, no, no. No. That's why you have these apps now that are tracking people

who are doing it. Go check out Quiver Quantitative. That's why I had the CEO, the young James Kardatsky on my show at News Nation. Hope you watch 8P and 11p every weekday night. What does Quiver quantitative do? Well, it gives you more tools. That's what a Quiver is. It's a place where you hold arrows, right? It gives you more tools where you get to watch how the members of Congress trade stocks. And what do we see? Well, the first thing we see is that they do a lot of trading of stocks. The second thing we see is that a lot of members of Congress get really rich while in public service,

when they're not making that much money, which means that their investments work out really well. So much so that a lot of people try to now echo the investments of the people in Congress, so much so that they've become market movers. Now, isn't that enough? Isn't that enough? Isn't that enough? As soon as you know that there are enough people watching

what members of Congress do with their stock trades, that they can actually move the markets with their activity, isn't that proof that they shouldn't be able to trade? And look, if you don't like it, get out. Only serve one term, two terms, get out then. I mean, but how does this work for anybody's advantage except their own? Who is this good for? How can it not be a problem?

Look, the more you look, the more it stinks. How can it be that you have the same excuse structure on both sides? You talk about something that tells you that you have a real problem. When McCall on the right and Pelosi on the left offer the exact same excuse for why they've invested in stocks that are in bills that are before

them for consideration right now. And we're not talking about Apple and Google. And you know sometimes there are companies with big market caps but they're not companies you've ever heard of before or that are sitting in a lot of your you know hedge your mutual funds. And you can see it in the volume. Look, I'll give you a specific example. So McCall is right now pushing this thing called the Pivot Act. It's about cybersecurity. It's not a bad bill. It's about putting money into training people who are

going to be our cybersecurity people. It's a big deal. Think about it. If people did physically what they do cyber-wise to attack us, we'd be at war with like three different countries right now. You can come in here and shut down our power grid. You can attack our companies. You can steal all our social security numbers.

And it's just cyber warfare. But if you like, you were to come in and blow up a train station, we'd attack you. Isn't that weird? There's such a nonchalance about it. just cyber warfare. But if you were to come in and blow up a train station, we'd attack you. Isn't that weird? There's such a nonchalance about it. It's odd. It's gonna change though. So anyway, the Pivot Act is about that.

And one of the companies that are involved in this was invested in by one of the members of Congress who are considering that act in his committee right now. So one of the companies that would benefit from the Pivot Act, which is a bill in your committee right now, you buy the stock of. How is that okay? Make the case to me.

All right, I'll make the case. Well, he's betting on it because he believes in it, and if it's a good company, then what's the difference? Because he's about to give them an infusion of cash with his bill, that's why. Because they're gonna benefit from it and their stock will likely go up and he's buying it before that happens.

How is that not insider trading? Oh, because he reports the trade. Oh, assuming people look at it and then who's gonna make the case? They're all members of Congress. I know of one who got nailed for it. Chris Collins, Republican in New York, got busted for some kind of trade activity.

But it's very, very rare, very rare. And you gotta look at it that way. And what did McCall say when we asked him about why he bought the stock of a company that's going to benefit potentially from a bill that's in his committee right now. Oh, it wasn't me, it was my wife. My wife bought it, my spouse.

I don't know what she does. I don't have anything to do with it. And there's a third party manager that just happened to identify this cybersecurity company that's one of the beneficiaries of a bill that's in your committee, even if that's all true, doesn't it smell bad? Isn't that the conflict standard? Shouldn't it be? Nancy Pelosi. Same deal. And this has happened many times with Nancy Pelosi. Oh, Nancy Pelosi doesn't own a share of stocks as her people. Oh, but Pelosi doesn't own a share of stocks

as her people. Oh, but her husband is a prolific venture capitalist. Yeah, but she doesn't have any idea what he does. So he just happened to have bought different stocks that were in meaningful pieces of legislation before his wife at the same time that they were before her. I mean, what is the standard? What is the smell test?

What is the conflict? What is the insider trading threshold that makes any of this okay? It's an absurd situation. It can't be okay. So why do we allow it? You complain about how much money they make. Well, why don't you look at the source of it? But they don't stop it. Why?

Because it's good for them. What do you see? Once in a while, somebody pops up and says, I want to stop that trading. Those bills stall or die. Google it. There's one right now that's stalled. And you could argue that Pelosi was no fan of having it happen.

Why? Because then her husband can't make gazillions of dollars with trades. And look, what if it's only one or two of them? So what? I mean, shouldn't public service come first? I mean, shouldn't public service come first? I mean, shouldn't it? And this 45 days to report,

what happens if they don't report their trades in 45 days? There's no enforcement. Find me enforcement. You won't find it. How many members of Congress have been charged with violating the Stock Act, which tells you how you're allowed to invest and not? How many members of Congress have been charged with violating the Stock Act, which tells you how you're allowed to invest or not? How many?

Zero. Zero. What does that tell you? Well, they're not looking, they don't have enough to look, and they don't want to look. So they're just kind of falling back on this fugazi idea that there's a stock act and we have rules and we have standards. Bills banning members of Congress from trading have bipartisan support.

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It turns out she did respond. It was in my producer's junk folder, the response, and they responded pretty quickly. And I gotta tell you, I think it's one of the few times the software got it right. This was a junk response. It's the same as McCall's. Nancy Pelosi doesn't own a share of stock. It's her husband who's a venture capital. She has no idea what he does. Really, and he just happened to invest in a cybersecurity stock that was relevant to consideration before her.

I mean, even if it's true, does it pass the smell test for you? I mean, doesn't the answer have to be no? You don't think it's a little curious that they both have their spouses doing trading? You know what I mean? How many of us have husbands or wives who have their own separate financial life that we don't really know anything about?

I have no idea what she does with her money. I have no idea what my wife does. Sometimes I think to myself, I don't know how she does what she does in terms of, you know, certain expenditures, but she knows what we have. I know what she has. And she has her own business. She's actually legit. Like she could actually have a lot of shit going on that I don't know, and yet I do. So what does that tell you?

It's pretty far-fetched, isn't it? Well, that's the wall of separation in our house. We don't talk about money because I don't want to influence her in any way. Oh, because you don't benefit from what they're investing in, right? I mean, Pelosi is ridiculously wealthy. No, no, no, it's not her, it's her husband. Oh, then it doesn't count. Come on, it is ridiculously wealthy. No, no, no, it's not her, it's her husband. Oh, well then it doesn't count. Come on, it's such bullshit.

It's the same thing that we see with fundraisers. Cuomo, did you invest in Tom Jones's election? No. Oh, but your wife maxed out. Oh yeah, but that's her. That's like Sam Alito. Oh, I didn't know about the flag on the house. My wife did that.

Yeah, cause wives have a lot of flags from houses. You know, if I had a dime for every time I caught my wife trying to hang another fugazi flag off the side of my house. Hey, what is that? Don't worry about it. Oh, okay. Okay. Hey, Cuomo, nice Gadsden flag you got flying up.

Is it? I didn't see it. My wife hang another flag from the house that I missed again. My wife's in the, she's got the flag duties at the house. We split it up. I do the potting and she's the flag raiser. Picks the flags. That's her whole thing. She's flag crazy, flag-tastic, we call it. Come on.

I mean, you want things to be better. Start doing the obvious shit, okay? This is the functional equivalent to us having a bag of Kung Pao chicken strapped to our faces and worried about why we're fat. I mean, it's such an obvious no-no. And then you look up the Stock Act, okay? Let's look up the Stock Act.

You're gonna love this. So this is what they passed to police themselves. It's called the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act, okay? And it was passed in 2012 to present insider trading, okay? So first it bans insider trading, which is good because it's illegal, okay? So it's good that they banned it for Congress too.

But just think about that, that they felt the need to articulate that members of the House shouldn't do that when it's already federal law. All right. Mandatory disclosure, that's the 45 days. What's the staff to oversee it? What's the enforcement? What's the proof of enforcement? What's the proof of prosecuting those who've ever violated it? They've never had a violation in now 13 years. really. Online access, the disclosures have to be posted in an easily searchable format online. But this was rolled back in 2013 to give people more flexibility.

Really? To make it easier for them. It also applies to the executive branch, extends disclosure requirements to senior executive branch officials. Many lawmakers have missed deadlines, no serious penalties, no enforcement mechanisms. Efforts to strengthen the law, including banning lawmakers for owning or trading stocks have been proposed but never passed.

Come on! You want things to get cleaner and more about you and less about benefiting the elite and the insiders. Where does it make better sense to start? And what is the likelihood that a spouse invests in something and it has no indication, no connection to anything that the other spouse has to do with it.

And then you look at the stocks and you look at how the markets have reacted to what they know lawmakers are doing, specifically Nancy Pelosi, and you see that this just doesn't pass the smell test. And no, I'm not saying she's lying. She doesn't have to be for it to not pass the smell test. Okay? I get that you're not, this is why we don't allow it, Nancy. Because your good word is being besmirched. Because I can't believe that your husband doesn't know anything about what you're doing. Doesn't make sense when he's investing in things

that are related somehow to what's before you in that moment. Oh, but I have so much before me right now. There's so much that we'd be closed out from. Good, then get out of public service and invest. I mean, what am I missing? Well, you're kind of infringing on their liberties. How? You wanted to serve. You wanted to serve.

You wanted to serve. I'm infringing on your liberty to make millions of dollars because we're not going to pay you millions of dollars. So I think this is a no-brainer issue that gets no attention. Okay? And very often people ask questions that I find a little trite, you know, like, what would be the three things you would do if you had a magic wand? And very often people ask questions that I find a little trite, you know, like what would be the three things you would do if you had a magic wand? And often I'm like, I don't know, man, you gotta deal with the circumstances and what area of policy, what area of governance,

what area of reality, what part of the world, you know, what you would do to make things better is so subjective. This is a no brainer for how to make government better. Your elected representatives, your president, your senators, your members of Congress should not be able to invest. Not in equities, not in publicly traded stocks, bonds.

I think that whatever they have should be put in a blind trust. not in equities, not in publicly traded stocks, bonds. I think that whatever they have should be put in a blind trust managed by somebody else. They shouldn't even get statements for while they are on. And look, and we can build it in where we'll pay for an accountant to review to make sure that they're not getting swindled, you know, whatever, during the pendency of their service. But what good comes from them trading stocks?

Well, I'll tell you what good comes from it. You got a lot of people who don't make an amazing amount of money, even though they're all gonna wind up in the top 5%, right? Once you get over $175,000, I think you're dealing with the top echelon of earners. I think you're dealing with the top 5-8% of earners. We have this weird top heavy situation now where one of the fastest growing populations

in the country is billionaires. Did you know that? Like the top 1% is like exploding in terms of population, which I guess they're not going to be the top 1% anymore, right? But it's that you're going to have this separation. The gap is yawning, okay? You're having, look, this argument with the tariffs right now. You have all these people, oh, we want our jobs back.

In Detroit, you used to be able to have a job, have a house, have a car, and have a little shack on the lake, and now you can't have any of those. And that's what the tariffs are gonna bring those jobs back. I think that's magical thinking. Okay? I think the problem is real. I think that this is a solution. Tariffs. When does that ever happen? When nothing has ever happened that way in history before, why would you think it will happen that way now? When it's put into place as clumsily as this

has been. So very often it's hard to make a fix that makes a difference. This is a way to make a fix that makes a difference, that is a no-brainer. And to the extent that it is an infringement on their rights, isn't that what you sign up for with service? Isn't that what service is supposed to be about? Maybe we should pay these people more in exchange for not letting them trade or invest. But why?

I mean, this situation with McCall and the Pivot Act smells with Pelosi and Palo Alto strategies or whatever it's called. Smells. And it's not just a one-off. It's not a one-time thing. And I'm not just picking on Pelosi. It's just that Pelosi matters, right? I mean, she's a big deal.

Former Speaker of the House, huge influence in the Democratic Party, and people watch her. And if you look, Tempus, look at that. Small company, it shot up immediately after the purchase. And the price chart, if you look at it, you can see how when there was this January 14 filing, it was an inflection point for the stock.

Why? People saw that Pelosi moved it. Okay? Pelosi's filings have moved markets in and of themselves because so many immediately copy her trades due to her trading track record and her influence in Congress. Isn't that enough? Isn't that enough?

And then you say, well, yeah, let's fix it. Oh yeah? And then it stalls. And one of the people who gets blamed by their own party for the stall is Nancy Pelosi. Democratic leaders unveiled a draft to tackle the issue of trading stocks in Congress, and there was little time left because of the recess to review it, dooming its chances to a floor vote. Now who manipulated the timing? Speaker Pelosi, that's who was speaker at the time,

told reporters the bill didn't come to the floor because it didn't have the votes to pass. But other people like Spanberger and others said that the leaders were slow walking the stock trading proposal. Now, this was a few years ago. Why? Because nothing changes if nothing changes.

You wanna make a difference in government. You wanna make a difference in government. You want them to be more focused on you and less on them. Don't allow members of Congress to trade stocks. And take that away as a factor of how we see what they do and how they view what they're supposed to be doing for us, not their own bottom line. What do you think? Thank you for subscribing and following here to the Chris Cuomo Project.

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