The Commercial Break - TCB Infomercial w. Mo Gilligan

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

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operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Apple Watch is a prick though man. You'll be minding your own business. Have you seen this Alex? Then the Apple Watch said, Big Man, stand up. Have you seen this? For no reason! The watch, Big Man, breathe. Heeey, heeey, heeey, heeey. The watch tells you to breathe bruv. Fuck this watch man. On this episode of the commercial break. Yeah, to kind of go through and do it that route felt the most organic for me, but also the most fulfilling because I, you know, again, before any of the success was happening to

social media, I'm meeting people in the street who were just like, oh man, like you were treating me like I'm someone. Yeah. And I'm like, I just do videos in my bedroom at my mom's house. You know what I mean? So, yes. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Welcome back to the commercial break.

I'm Brian Green. This is the wicked ways director, Kristen Joy Hoadley. Best to you, Kristen. Best to you, Kristen. Best to you, Brian. Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Remember that song by, uh, what's his name? Chris Isaac? Wicked Games. Oh, what a wicked. I'm there, I wanna fall in love with you.

Chris Isaac was like, That sounded very close. It did, didn't it? And he had those models in the... Remember the video? He had those beautiful... Wasn't there a beach scene? It was beach, there was lots of He had those beautiful like Claudia Schiffer.

Yeah, it was beach. There was lots of boobs with sand like in bikinis. And then he was like playing his guitar with his weird face. But I like the song at the time. I was like, okay, I get down with that. But whatever happened to Chris Isaac, he was like an actor for a while there, wasn't he? I feel like he did a couple of comedy things, even. Yeah, because he hasn't got that funny face that everybody wants to, you know, do, whatever. Anyway, it's a TCB infomercial, and I'm very excited to have Mo Gilligan here with us today.

He is an import from London. He's very famous over there. Very popular comedian over in the UK. Yeah, he's got TV shows. He, you know, I mean, The Masked Singer, The Masked Dancer. The Masked Singer, The Masked Dancer, Laidish. He's got like, he's done four or five, six shows over there on the BBCs and, you know, all the channels that they have over there. What was the other one? The Big Nasty? The Big Nasty. Yeah, let me check that one out a little bit more. Yeah, you gotta check out The Big Nasty. Go to moe milk mo Gilligan comm I guess is the bottom line to this one. He's on tour very briefly here in the United States and then he's going Elsewhere in the world

He's doing a world tour quote-unquote and I can't wait to get into it with him And I watched his special last night. I gotta say it's pretty fucking funny. He's on Netflix, too He's got two different specials on Netflix. So mogillian.com. You can get all the information there. Of course, I'll put the information in the show notes also, but I wanted to talk briefly before we get to Mo, I want to talk briefly about something you and I were discussing before we got on the show, which is the prop bets. Remember we were having that big conversation about betting a couple of weeks ago, we were having a big conversation about these bets where you can bet on a single

player. Like I think it's gotten to the minutia of, let's take March Madness for an example. Number 33 is going to score a basket or get a rebound in the next travel down the court. And then you have a certain amount of time to quickly lock in your bet. And that's called a prop bet. You're betting on every little thing that happens in the game. And now the director of the NCAA, I think has been calling for a ban on these. He's actually been calling on it for a while.

Um, $2.7 billion. That's how much the American gaming association estimates will be bet this year on the NCAA's men's and women's basketball tournaments, $2.7 billion. That's a lot of money. What are you guys doing with your money? Send us a 10th of that, and we will do the commercial break live in your bedroom for the rest of your life.

You wanna take off on Friday? We'll take off Friday. We'll just sit in your bedroom quietly. We'll help you make your bed, is what's going on. That's what I'm trying to say. And we like to make beds. Yeah, we love to make beds. So if you, not bets, beds.

Yeah, we will be making beds while you're making bets. Okay, how's that? There you go. Look at that cleaning service flow. We'll make your bed while you make the beds. Yeah, we'll make your beds and you make the bets. And by bets, I mean, you're just going to PayPal me every time you want to bet. And that's how that's going to work because that's insane.

$2.7 billion worth of betting going on on the March madness. It's incomprehensible actually. So many millions of people must be betting on this tournament. And here's the other thing that is surprising to me. The NCAA survey of more than 3,500 participants found that 58%, almost 60% of 18 to 22 year olds have placed a bet on at least one sport in the last year. About 67% of college students living on campus place bets,

said the NCAA. It's so easy. While 41% of college students living on campus place bets, said the NCAA. It's so easy. While 41% of college students have place bets betting on the same school that they go to. It's so easy. And I'm not against betting. We have sponsors of the show that are betting platforms, and so I'm not against it and I've played around with it.

I'm not like a huge gambler. I'll admit that, right? I'm not a huge gambler've played around with it. I don't, I'm not like a huge gambler. I'll admit that, right? I'm not a huge gambler because I don't need yet another addiction. I've already kicked a number of them and I'm, and I'm hanging onto a few. And I think the more mild ones, cream and cereal and, you know, British comedy television, that's why I'm glad we're having Mo in here today. Um, you finally got it. You finally, I finally did it.

I promised I would bring that British comedy to the United States and here it is. But this is just like, you know, again, I think that if you play in a professional sports league of any kind, any sport, or you are going somewhere like March Madness, or you're playing on a collegiate team, you should be able to bet through a specific portal that does not allow you to bet on the sport you play in at all. I mean, because Christy and I were talking about this, isn't it a little too tempting if you're my best friend?

Yeah, right. Well, I was saying if I'm playing the game. Let's say you're playing college volleyball. That's right. Because I love a good girls college volleyball game. I honestly do, I don't know why. And it's not because of the short shorts. That's a bonus, but it's not because of that. I don't know, I find that sport fascinating.

Yes, but then you and I talk and you're like, hey, we could make a lot of money here if you just don't hit that extra point. Yeah, if you just don't hit that extra point. Yeah. If you just sat on the court while you were playing a round of volleyball, round of volleyball. If you just sat on the court, then we could make big money.

I'll bet the downside, right? That's it. I mean, how easy is that to do? And I'm not saying, I don't know that it's prolific, but it's gotta be going on at some level. Didn't you read a story about some guy that was like... Yes, I did. Yeah, I was very suspicious that a small group of people connected to one player made a lot of money. Oh, and they were connected to him?

Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, you can't be a dumbass. Don't be a dumbass. That's my other thing too. Don't be a dumbass. Don't bet that entire house to the house because you know you're going to lose because the house always wins. That's just the way it is. So prop betting, I do think it's getting a little silly, you know, like is this guy's shoe going to come untied in the next round? I mean, that's just a little dumb to me, but there are lots of people who really enjoy this apparently. And so I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying if you're going to spend $2.7 billion on just one tournament,

spend that with us. We are so much better return on your investment. All we do is win. We're like Donald Trump, all we do is win. That's all we do. Charlie Sheen. Are you sick of winning? Yeah, winning.

Remember that guy? Yeah. Whatever happened to that guy? We should do a whole episode on Charlie Sheen. Oh, he's around. I know, now he's on another show. He's like one of the richest television actors of all time because what did he get, like $100 million

to do the last three seasons of Two and a Half Men or whatever it was? Yeah, it was very popular. Yeah, it was crazy. He got some huge payday and then had no shame. I guarantee you Charlie Sheen is betting on NCAA March of Addicts. He had no shame that he was sleeping with porn stars, which, whatever, some porn stars

need love too. But he was like living with three of them. He was sleeping with them, making movies and smoking crack. And he made no bones about it. Yeah, I smoke crack. What's the big deal? It's like, oh, okay, well, I guess there's not a big deal. Because if you said no, then that would be a big deal.

But since you're not, that's a big deal. And then remember he did that interview and the guy was like, do you smoke crack? And he was like, yes, yes, I do smoke crack. What is it to you? He was pretty open about it. He was way open about it. It was so crazy too, because I remember that.

And I was working at another place here in Atlanta and everybody was just the buzz of like, what's he gonna say today? What's he gonna say today? Back when Twitter was Twitter, not X. Oh yeah, that's right. He was on Twitter, like giving updates. Yeah, he was giving updates.

Hashtag winning. Hashtag smoking coke, hashtag, you know, little heroin never killed anybody. Everyone was all glued to the whole situation. Like, how is this gonna play out? Oh man, that was intense. He was the best show in town for a while. That's what he should have been doing.

You should just, we should just have a reality show. But I'm sure there's like all kinds of legal repercussions to putting somebody on camera that's constantly smoking coke and doing all this other stuff. Now I don't know what Charlie's up to now, but he clearly had something going on then. Because remember that one girl that he was dating was like giving stories,

what Denise Richards I think was saying. Yeah, like I walked in one day and it was like the biggest rock I've ever seen, but it was crack. I was like, wow. It was wild. When you have that kind of money, you bet on NCAA March Madness

and then you smoke a lot of crack rock. Okay, so Mo Gilligan, our guest today, mogilligan.com, TCB infomercial. We're super excited to have him. He is making his entrée into the American market, the US market, and we're super excited. I think this might be the first podcast he's stopping by, the first show he's stopping by. I don't know that for sure, but I think this is it. And if it's not, I'll claim that it is, because how are you going to find out anyway?

But we are really happy to have Mo. I wish that you would go to mogilligan.com. Check out his materials. If you can catch a show, catch a show. He said he's going to, or his agent said they're going to plan another round of US shows. So let's talk to him about all that. I'll tell you what, Chrissy, why don't we do this? Why don't we take a break? Do you want to do this? I want to do this. This is what I want to do. Okay. Christina always makes fun of me. She says, your transitions into the interviews are just really strange, actually, Brian. She's like, you go into like announcer mode. You're like, let's do this. We'll take a short break and up next, be back with Mo Gillingan. But you know what? That's

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No, thanks for having me, man. Thanks for having me. Mo-mania. He's like the beetle mania. He hits the shores. And now he's here in the United States. He's in Philadelphia. So it'll get better, Mo. It'll get better. Philly's a great city. States. He's in Philadelphia, so it'll get better, Mo. It'll get better. Mo'erre-Saraa Cahn-Levitt Philly's a great city. All right. So, we've been, we have this hot topic we've been talking about here on the show for the last couple of episodes, and I want to know your take on it. Do you, have you, will you ever

participated in cold plunges? Like, where people jump in ice baths to, You know, have you done this? So, it's so weird you say that because this time last year, I really got onto this, like, I started doing a lot of running. Like, I started doing a lot of, like, you know, the whole 5k, 10k kind of thing. And I was in New York, funnily enough, so I would plan the route. I'd be like, I'm going to run around Central Park and it's perfect. And I was one of those people that when I started running, I had the Beats by Jotty Headphones. I've got the thing on my, on my side and stuff. And, and then I was like, Oh, I'm really getting into this. So I started to do the ice baths. I'd never done it before.

What'd you call it? Ice baths? Baths. No, we call it a nice bath. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought, let me just try the intro way. And I tried it. I remember I was in a hotel in New York and I remember being like, I remember like, hi, can I get four buckets of ice to my room, please? You did it in the hotel room. You filled it up with water and had to bring ice. So I filled it up, I filled it up and I remember just trying, even getting in the first I've ever done it. And I was like, this isn't fun. There is no part of this. I didn't enjoy a single inch. And it's mad because

I remember doing it the first time I was in it. And then it's like, when you're in it, it's cold. And you know, it's like they say, you know, you have to wait, let your body acclimatize. And I was so I was so cold that I didn't want to move in the water. Because anytime I moved, it got colder. I said, this is not a black experience. This is not for me, man. It's not for us either. We were like, absolutely not. It's not for me, man. I'm of Irish descendants. And I'm telling you right now, I could, there is no thing

on earth that I would less rather do than be in cold water. Cold water. No, I think it just doesn't work. I just believe it's for athletes. I think it's like, you know, high intensity athletes that are at that level is for those kind of people and they can, again, it's about, you know, they've got to have their mind. I'm just going for a run.

There's no need for me to be in ice. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah. We're, you know, they've got to have their mind. I'm just going for a run. There's no need for me to be in ice. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah. We're glad you're on the same page. It wasn't for me, unfortunately. We were reading that scientists, or a lot of scientists and doctors are now saying, hey, listen, when you go into the cold water like that, it puts you into this fight or

flight response. Your body is literally on fire. Your neurons are going, stop, don't do that. And people, I know that people mind over matter and all that bullshit, but for me, I don't like, I'm not, I'm not looking to be in fight or flight mode every morning after. Yeah. Literally. I'm not a Navy SEAL. There's no need for me to be in a bucket of ice in a hotel. Yeah. So Mo, you are a huge presence over in the UK. You sell out theaters. You have huge social media presence. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, no. And I think that it's rightfully so now you're coming over to the United States. And I actually, Chrissie and I have been watching a lot of your material. You're really funny. And so- Oh, thanks, man. For those in the audience who is probably a fair share of them who don't know Mowgli again, you got your start in doing, um, social media videos. Is that right? Like social media comedy?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this was just a little bit just before the introduction of TikTok and those kind of like, I feel like now the kind of short clips of like the TikToks and the reels is like a thing now, but this was a little bit just before when Instagram just introduced videos. It just went from pictures to videos and their videos went from 15 minutes to a minute.

And I just started just having some fun with some ideas of comedy and some characters that I would just do to myself really. And it wasn't a play to, you know, I want to try and get more followers. I was just stuck with this material and I couldn't do it on stage so I could do it on a video and I thought, let me see how it works. And yeah, one of them, one of them worked and went viral and it went viral in the UK, but it went like kind of more viral on other pages. So you get like the other comedy pages.

So once I seen that, I had two things I was like, cool, if I messaged all those pages and said, Can you can you at me in the in the post so people can at least follow me. And then the second thing is, I just put out more of that stuff that people liked than one and then another and another and another, and then just grew my my platform. And through that that. It's interesting because once you do this stuff, people are like, oh, this person's really funny. But I'd done comedy before that. So I've done comedy since I was 19.

Stand up comedy, like you've been on open mic and out on the stage and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'd been on a circuit for quite a while in the UK. Just working on the Friday nights and the Saturdays. That was always that thing I was doing. I was doing it as part-time because I was still working in retail.

I used to work at Levi's as well. So yeah, I knew that I wanted to turn this into something because I always believe if you have a viral moment, it doesn't last very long and you have to find your way to extend it or ideally monetize it. And a lot of creatives, we're not business people. We're creatives first. God damn, do I know that. Yeah, we know that.

Yeah, yeah. We know that. You know what I mean? Like, I'm dyslexic and the minute I was like, oh, they've got to do this tax thing. I'm like, oh man, this is going to be stressful, man. There's the three, there's the four. Listen, we know your pain, first of all.

But just really quickly, is it at all possible that you might come over here and teach Chrissy and I a fucking thing about Instagram? Because it's a difficult algorithm. They're all difficult algorithms in some way, shape or form. When you break through, it means that you've truly connected with your audience. Do you feel, like we've talked to so many comedians about this, do you feel that, obviously you must, that social media, these online platforms, have really given you a chance to cultivate your audience

outside the mainstream entertainment fair, right? The kind of the lane where you go to Hollywood, kick around, do auditions, you know, get up on stage a million times. That must have felt- Just to connect directly. Yeah, that must have felt- Just to connect directly. Yeah, that must've felt really good to have to go, Oh, people are

really connecting with this. Yeah, because then people go straight to your source. They're, it's almost like an exclusive way of just having just your fan base who just like your stuff. And if I say I'm going to do a tour, they're going to come to the tour. If I've got a book out, they might buy the book. But it's exclusively your audience. And it's interesting, because then that that audience will just grow and share it to other people. And I'll be honest, you know, in the UK, like the route

that I took was a route that no one had really ever done in that way of doing social media and then, you know, doing a tour and then getting the likes of TV to be interested in and getting, you know, like Netflix and stuff like this, that was a very unconventional route, especially being a black British comic as well. There wasn't anyone that looked like myself even on TV. So yeah, to kind of go through and do it that route felt the most organic for me, but also the most the most fulfilling because I, you know, again, before any of the success was happening is the social media. I'm meeting people in the street who are just like, Oh, man, like you were treating me like I'm someone. And I'm like, I just do videos in my bedroom.

You know, I mean, yes. Yeah. So being a black British, first of all, you're right in my sweet spot. I only watch British comedy. That's the only thing that I ever watch. I feel like I was born in the wrong country, quite frankly. But being a black British comic is there, and excuse my ignorance if there is, but is there someone that you can think of that was someone you looked up to, a black British comic who was like, yeah, I'd really like to follow in those footsteps or follow that path and get that kind of notoriety. Yeah, I think in terms of following, it was just more like, because we have our own black comedy circuit in the UK. So there are people within that scene that are massively influential of how fun they are. You know, you've got, there's a comedian

called Slim, there's another guy called Richard Blackwood, who's huge as well. He had a TV show, for example, in the early 2000s and the 90s. And then before him, you had Lenny Henry. But there wasn't much to choose from, but also following their paths were completely different. They was at different times where the success was different. So for someone like Lenny Henry, who'd been on a TV from the 80s, the success was different. So, you know, for someone like Lenny Henry, who'd been on a TV from the eighties,

his success was through television. And then you had someone like Richard Blackwood, whose success was also through television. But at this point, I had no TV credits. I had not been on a show. I had nothing to show anybody. So ideally social media was the route that I could take because it was like, I haven't been on TV yet. I know that that's been their

route and that worked at a different time. So it's always interesting whether there's a new generation now watching me who will allow a lot of what Mo does. And I'm always interested to be like, I wonder if social media is going to be their thing or there might be something new that comes about that that their thing, essentially. But yeah, yeah, we have a really thriving black comedy circuit, but there wasn't many people breaking through from that scene to get onto television, unfortunately. Yeah, you know, the kids today, they're going to put on their little Apple VR headsets and zoom around on their scooters, and they're're gonna want you to do your specials

in 3D where touch, feel, cold hat, you know, it's something's coming down the pike for the, for the next generation. So one of the things that surprised me about you, Mo, is that you did, you did break through on television eventually. You had like what, three or four shows in a short period of time? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think I remember there was a time, I think it was probably last year, and I was on TV like four times in one night, in one day. It was like, I was on breakfast TV, and then I'm a judge on The Masked Singer. But then I was also on BBC One on the show, which they had two shows on at the same time. And then I was on this late night kind of chat show as a guest.

And I was like, yeah, people are going to be sick and tired of me. Wow. Because I'm on TV so much. But yeah, you know, TV was completely new to me. I've never done any TV before. But I think that was kind of like my blessing in some ways because I didn't have anything to follow. I didn't feel like there was a script. A lot of time I was doing TV, they knew what I was able to do with comedy and stand up. So there was like, be yourself,

be you. And the first show I ever got to do on television was I was co-host on a show called The Big Nasty Show. And it was the perfect show for me, you know, big nasty is a is a UK rapper. He's very himself, you know. And we were just like, almost like a double act a little bit. You know, he was very free, very flowing. And it was me who was the one that would be the one that okay, guys, let's all come down and let me ask the question of why the guest is here, you know, and it just worked perfectly. You know, and it just worked perfectly. You know, it was a show that not a lot of people had ever seen before.

We had amazing guests on. You know, some of the people I got to meet, you know, a lot of people from this side of the puns, you know, Dennis Rodman on, for example. How did you like Dennis Rodman? Oh man, he was one of my favorite guests because his stories were absolutely crazy. I bet he has crazy stories. Do you know the show Jackass?

Yes. Okay, so Steve-O was on our show and he was sharing with me that he was friendly with Dennis Rodman and he's like, you think I'm crazy? Sit for 15 minutes with Dennis fucking Rodman. He had dinner with the leader of North Korea. Playing basketball. Yeah. Playing basketball. Yeah. Play basketball. It was a mad experience for me because I had never done any TV before.

So to do this late night show and then to speak to someone like Dennis Rodman. And he told us, he spoke about the problems he had with knowing the leader of North Korea, but telling us about his basketball past and after parties and stuff. It was, it was amazing. And it was my introduction. So after that, once I started doing TV, I was like, if I could do this show, and you've got Dennis Rodman, Tennessee's crazy stories. And again, the show we would, the show would run for three hours. There's only air for one hour. No, yeah, for one hour, but we recorded three hours. So I didn't know that, realizing that you're not meant to record a show for three hours. But yeah, it was a fun time, man, in my career when I first

started. And yeah, you know, there's a ton of clips if anyone wants to watch it. On his website. A ton of clips you can see on YouTube called The Big Nasty Show. And then yeah, then it went well because, you know, I got offered my own show off the back of it. A lot of people in TV could see I knew how to do TV, which was very different. So, yeah, I think it was something that catapulted me

very quickly in terms of success in some ways, but I knew my core was always stand-up comedy. So, you know, the minute I got asked to do a Netflix special was like, I kind of knew like my life would change in a way, if that makes sense, because it was, it was something that was going globally. It was like, this is a chance for you to see my comedy

on a platform that is global. And I can expand from it. I can maybe do a world tour one day and here we are. Yeah. Did it feel like that first Netflix special changed your life fundamentally? Yeah, it did in some ways because I knew at the time Netflix is the place for comedy, you know, if you want to find a comedy special and it's their age, you know, the first place you're going to go, you're like, you're going to go to Netflix. So I knew there's a part of it that I was like, this is going to change my life in some ways, I'm able to tour off this for as long as possible, I can add another

tour, I can, yeah, tour in other places in the world. And the feedback, I think what I realized was, and this was my Netflix special aired in 2019. So it was an interesting time because it aired in, I think it was October 31st 2019. Well, yeah, just before the pandemic. But at the same time, when it did come out, it felt like at that time, there wasn't that much on Netflix compared to what there is now. I feel like you've got, you know, love is blind, you've got silent sunset, you've got squid games, a lot more to choose from, not that there wasn't at that time, but and I think when it happened, I'll never forget. And it goes, it went live at 8am in the UK. I'm not too sure what time that was around the world, but different times and I remember refreshing my Instagram and

It just went nuts of people all around the world who was that? Oh, dude. I've just watched your special I live in you know, Indonesia. I I'm from from from Connecticut America and I and it America. And it was phenomenal. It really blew my mind because I went from three years prior to that, I was still working in retail trying to do a bit of stand-up. So seeing what you're able to do with social media and how it can get you this far, I was like, okay, cool. Now my life has definitely changed somehow.

You're on a different level now. Yeah, when you get a Netflix special, I think it just indicates, we do so many Netflix comic promo interviews, right? And we love them. We've had legends in here and we just love it. And I think one of the things that we universally feel and hear is that Netflix for a new comic or someone who's been around and is just kind of hitting their viral moment, as you say, Netflix is the you have arrived moment, right? It's like now they offer you your special, you are there. And you may be too young to remember this, but HBO was like that when there was only cable, right?

You would HBO their comedy every Friday or Saturday night, new specials from just legends, but there was no real place, unless you went on late night television, for a new comic to get that kind of exposure very quickly. And now Netflix has changed the game and they've really backed the comedy universe, so to speak, they're putting their money where their mouth is. And they're giving a huge platform. I mean, what a, what a moment that must have been for you. How did you have like a party? huge platform. I mean, what a moment that must have been for you. How? Yeah, man.

Did you have like a party? Like, are there people come over and you guys watch the special together? Please tell me there's like drinks and maybe a little marriage and you guys are just hanging out and going, this is the best thing that ever happened to me. I remember at the time, again, I was still in a place of like, you know, we recorded it. We actually went weirdly enough. We recorded one special, probably a year before that when I was on this tour. And, you know, we sent it to Netflix. And at the time, you know, you kind of in limbo, you're like, my happen. I was a bit like, probably won't, you know, still and Netflix. Well, we love this special, but we'd want to rerecord it and make it bigger, you know do a bigger

Audience and do better cameras and yeah Why not? How is it a place how's that raw you really want to do that? Okay it's gonna happen and I'll be honest even when we recorded it and you get a date that it's gonna release You still don't believe it's going to happen until, you know, I remember like seeing it there for the first time and press play and they did a doodoo and I was like, okay, this is, this is real now. Yeah. And then after it happened, because at that time, this was 2019. So I'd had my first show, I was on tour, doing

loads of TV. My life was really starting to change. So it felt like it was going at 100 miles an hour at the time. And I didn't have anything planned. But I remember going, I went to visit my mom one day and my mom was like, Oh, can you help me? I need to, I need to take some things out and like go to storage unit. So I was like, Oh, yeah, of course. So I went to my mom's house and opened the door and it was dark and it was a surprise. It was like, yeah, so my mom and all my family were there and just wanted to say, they all said, you know, we know how hard you've been working, we want to give you a little like well done surprise for your Netflix specials. So yeah,

it was a real moment, a real moment. Can I borrow your phone just to pass it on the back every once in a while? Can I just give her your phone number so she can go, you're doing a great job out there, Brian. Do you think that the television combined with the Netflix, you're doing this kind of around the same time? Did that, like, do you notice that on the, you were already getting noticed for your social media videos. So I'm sure once now you've got, you know, a late night show, you're on television in some cases three and four times in a day, and then you have a Netflix special. And I'm just curious about this, because you kind of had this meteoric story, right? Which happens to a lot of people that go viral, and then people like you, who are talented, who can back that up, then sustain that popularity and parlay that into something else. Do you, like, now do you get noticed everywhere you go?

Is that bothersome? Is that a lifestyle change for you? How do you handle that? Yeah, I think, you know, no one's ever sure what it's like when you become famous. You don't, if you've never come from that world or never been around it, you don't know how it's going to change your life in some ways. Yeah, you know, in the UK, if I go to a restaurant which I started realizing that this is my name and I'm using it on everything. If I

book a table and go out, it's my name. So essentially when I get there, they know it's me that's already going to come, for example. So I started realizing that, you know, I can't put my name on stuff. You know, even on the post, you know, my name is on my post. It's my name. You know, the postman starts delivering a package, for example, and the guy turns up and he's like, oh, yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. Can I get your autograph? That's, yeah, you're like, that's the part of, like, fame that you, that, you know, going out in the street, it comes with the territory of being on television. But when it comes to you, when it's personal, when it's intimate, when it's in everyday life. When, 100%, when you wake up in the morning, you're like, oh, I've been waiting for this parcel, and I'm in my underpants. And a is like, hey, hey man, oh,

Mo, can you sign for this? Also, can I take a picture of you in the parcel? And they're like, no. Check out my Instagram. Lots of pictures there and you feel free to steal any of them. I think that's the part of success that you don't ever get prepared for that kind of side of it But yeah, you know when you go out and stuff and people recognize you and yeah, it comes with the territory You know, I can't sit here and say oh, it's hard. I don't like it There are parts of it where you are in the mean and someone comes up to you halfway You got food in your mouth This is not

up to halfway, you got food in your mouth. Now, this is not the right moment. Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't happen that much. You just find ways to get used to it. It is part of your life. I think for me, I've always been more conscious of my friends and my family and how it affects them because I'm the one in the spotlight, not them. So I don't want people feeling like, you know, if I'm at a dinner, someone's like, can I take a picture of you and you've got my friends and family in the background, because I've asked for this and I'll take this on. But for my, you know, my family and friends,

they haven't. So I try to kind of protect them a lot of kind of being in my world in some ways and letting them understand what it's like. So yeah, that's the only time which I feel like I'm alert essentially. That's considerate. That's nice of you. Yeah, that's considerate. Very nice of you. But I think, I'd say, the short story. So, I've been married twice. And when I got married the first time, my brother, my twin brother, the night before the wedding, couple days before the wedding, he started to kind of get a little sideways. He was like irritated, bothered, not really, he wasn't, I don't know, he was

bothered I think by the fact that I was getting married and he wasn't getting married. And one of my best friends the night before we got married, he said this to me and it's always stuck with me and I really find that it is, pertains to a lot of situations. He said, when you have a big life change, you're not the only one who's affected by that big life change. And you need to understand that other people's lives change also. It's like throwing a rock into a pond, right? Those waves go outward. And so you need to be aware that when you make these life choices and they're big changes, other people get affected by them too. And they may not necessarily want to be affected by those.

They may not like how they're affected by those, right? And that gave me a level of understanding. It put me inside of my family members' heads and it was like, oh yeah, maybe, you know, Brian's not gonna be around as much because now he's got his own family. That kind of thing was bothersome to my twin brother. Years later, we talked about it and that was it,

but it's super self-aware. Yeah, then I ended up in a divorce. Yeah, then I ended up in a divorce, then everything turned out fine, I got me and my brother hanging out again. And then I got married a second time, and he likes this one, so there you go. So you're on this huge world tour.

I was looking at your dates. I mean, you're all over the place. That's so exciting. That's so exciting. How do you... Yes. Is this your first big tour since the pandemic? Is this your first big tour since everything? Well, yeah, I'd done a tour not long after the pandemic, but that was only in the UK. So it was a good run of big dates we had in the UK. And that was actually meant to be my world tour. So my second

Netflix special was meant to be the world tour. There's Motor Life, which it was great. I watched it last night. It's really funny. Thank you very much. Yeah. So that was meant to be the big world tour. And it's interesting because if I'm honest, the material from that tour changed in the pandemic. So what I would have done before then wouldn't have been that tour. So the pandemic actually gave me time to basically write a different tour. It changed my perspective of the show that I was going to write at that time. So yeah, this is my first time really touring in other territories. You know, I've performed in the States before, done one show there before.

I've done two shows in Australia. But this is my first time really being outside of my comfort zone. That is the UK, which has always been the place that I sell tickets and it does really well for me. So coming outside this comfort zone is really fun. I'm really enjoying the most is the vulnerability on stage. You know, sometimes when I've been performing in the UK, I started to feel comfortable. I knew that I could, you know, do a show and have minimal prep and still put on a good performance. And I remember saying to my man very close with my manager, you know, she was always with me before any of the success came. So she's, she's known me quite well.

And I said, Polly, I said, I need to do a world tour. I need to, I'm doing this TV and it's amazing and it's fun, but I need to go back to the thing that made me vulnerable because I'm turning up and doing TV and I'm enjoying everything that's happening, but I'm missing being nervous. I'm missing being vulnerable. I'm missing Like the thing that took me to the place of where I am now and people are seeing me as a TV presenter Which is lovely. I appreciate that change my life it changed my family my friends life in some ways, but comedy is the thing that it's

It's so um, it's so pure for me as an art form is, you know, you go on stage, there is just me and a microphone, you know, TV, you get a chance to maybe save the thing again, you got auto queue, you got, you know, there's different ways you can change it, but comedy just feels very pure. You're flying without a net. You know, whatever happens on the day. Yeah, without a net. Yeah, it happens.

And I really missed it I realized I remember doing a show and I performed and I just felt like I wasn't myself because I remember doing some stand-up and you know I could see and I'm not an edgy comic I'm not edgy I'm not provocative anyway I don't feel like you know I'm offensive for no reason but But I remember just delving into anything, anything that might, you know, political, that's not really my bag. But at the same time, I could tell my audience, this audience that have followed me for such a while, this was a work in progress show, narrow a bit like, I don't know if you can say that, because

you do that TV thing now. You know, you're that TV personality. And I was like, guys, I'm not really saying anything. But I realized I was like, guys, I'm not really saying anything, but I realized, I was like, nah, I've got to do this tour, man. But I'm really, really enjoying it so much. Like it's, yeah, it's really like going to different territories, different setups, comedy clubs, meeting people that followed my journey

that longer than I thought, which I've been so surprised that I met people who said, oh, I've watched your stuff since 2015. I'm like, 2015? That's like a decade ago. Yeah. So yeah, I'm really enjoying it, man. Really, really enjoying it. Do you enjoy the travel part of it or is it just like it comes with the job? I don't know. I've traveled for work before. Not this work, this work too, but I've traveled before. And my dad traveled a

lot when we were kids for his work. And he, when he was asked, do you enjoy the travel, he would say, it's work. You see the inside of a hotel room, you go to meetings, you go out to dinner with whoever and you go back. The traveling is not for business. It's not as fun as you would like to imagine it would be. But I always enjoyed the travel a little bit, but I also understood what my dad was saying. Do you get into that travel part of it? I think I enjoy it. It's weird because the traveling comes with two sides because you're on the go, you are living out of a suitcase. And when I left, I always come back with more than I left. I buy so much stuff. I'm like, oh, let me buy this thing or that looks cool. And realizing I'm like, I need another suitcase now. But you are, you are living out of a suitcase, you are seeing hotel rooms, you probably get

about five different hotel room key cards because you lost one and forgot one. Yeah, you are essentially living out of a suitcase. But what the upside to that is that you get to be in a different place in the next two or three days. You know, it is hard when you got to, you know, move around suitcases. But as a comedian, this is still a champagne problem. Yes, in my opinion, I feel like comedians dream of doing this stuff. So to sit there and be like, Oh, I've got to pack my case. Oh, I've got to go to Australia. Yeah.

Like, no one has any sympathy for that comedian. If my other comic friends heard this, they'll be like, I don't really care. If you want to swap places, I'll do it tomorrow. Your comic friends are like, I'm driving to Manchester tomorrow night to do an open mic and you're fucking complaining about taking a 747 first class to Australia. That is it. That is it. That is it, man. And luckily enough, I'm in a place where I don't want to shy away and say I'm not doing

all right for myself. When you're traveling, you get to go Australia, you sleep in business class and stretch your legs. It's not as bad as being out. Yeah, we're doing it. There's nothing bad about business class, Mo. I've been lucky a few times. Yeah, you've got to take the rough withmo. I've been lucky a few times.

That's it, man. You've got to take the rough with a smooth, man. So yeah, no, but I do enjoy just traveling in general, just getting to see different places and different vibes you get to see. Yeah, it's amazing. It's the best part of the job, I'm happy. Well, speaking of travel, have you been to Jamaica? Are you playing Jamaica?

Have you played Jamaica? I just went and I love that. I love that place. I am obsessed You know what's interesting about the world tour is the amount of people that say oh you need to come to You gotta come to the Caribbean max my dad's from St. Lucia. My mom's part, Jamaica So there's loads of people that are like you got to come here There's I've got a lot of people that say you got come to Africa come to Nigeria come to Ghana And we're really trying to make it happen that are like, you got to come here. There's a lot of people that say, you got to come to Africa, come to Nigeria, come to Ghana. And we're really trying to make it happen. It's just so much harder than I ever thought it would be

because you need a promoter on the ground. You need infrastructure. And logistics and yeah, so yeah, there are places I really, really want to play and the demand for it is high. Yeah, I can imagine. Like so high, but it is definitely on the list. You know, I want to do a tour, a world tour that makes me feel like

I'm going everywhere around the world. You know, speaking of Netflix, I was in Japan, actually, weirdly, just for holiday in January. That's at the top of my travel list. Oh, you need to go. For me, it's one of the best places I've ever been to in my life. Amazing. Yeah. And I've been in this, so we went to Osaka and we was there and I was in this bar and again, like they was, oh, what do you do? And I was, I do comedy. It's very hard telling people I'm a comedian because it's

like, oh, you do comedy. Okay. It can open so much questions. Yeah. Yeah. What do you got? Yeah. And they was like, it was like, oh, comedy is amazing. And again, don't tell me what I do. I don't be like, here's my Instagram, here's my thing. But my girlfriend was like, oh, have you got Netflix? And they said, yeah, we have Netflix. And they seen. And it was like, oh my God, Netflix. And he started taking pictures with me. Wow. And I was like, wow, oh my God, I'm going he started taking pictures with me. And it was like, Wow.

Oh my God. I'm going to watch it. Instant cred. Like instant street cred. Yeah, man. It's interesting around the world where you're, where you can go, but also where you can say, Oh, this is the thing that I do. And this is, this is the thing to show you that this is what I do essentially.

And they, it blew their mind. They were taking pictures of me and we actually became friends actually, weird enough, before you tell them Instagram and stuff. If we did a Netflix show, I'm going to tattoo the cover on my head. But yeah, I really want to make it a real world tour. I want to go to places that I don't mind doing a room in Tokyo and there's only 50 people in because it just allows me to take my comedy wherever I'm able to take it to. I really wanna, that's like my dream

is to try and take it to as many places possible. There's an old comic friend and I mean he's older. He's like in his seventies and he worked for Letterman and a bunch of people. So he's like a comics comic, right? He's not like super well known, but if you know, you know, right? And his name is Eddie Brill. And he used to say, yeah, it's not like super well known, but if you know, you know, right? And he used

to say, yeah, it's fun to play the big places. That's what you get hype for. That's all the excitement, big parties, lots of people, everyone, big energy. He's like, but the small rooms are where you find God. That's what he used to say. He said the small places are where you find God. Because it's like, you know, and we've talked about this with a number of different comics, when you're a creator and you're in that zone and you're in that moment, it's almost like something else takes over and that's where God is, right? That's the creation of whatever gift you're imparting upon the crowd. And those small rooms, you're living and dying by whatever's coming out of your mouth. In the big rooms, people know you. You don't fill 5,000 seats if people aren't coming to see you,

right? But in the smaller rooms, people might not be there to see you, they might, whatever it is. But I imagine that, like, I can understand what you're saying. That excitement drives the creativity, and it gives you the opportunity to fall in love again with what you can create, right? Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think the Rolling Stones did like a small, didn't they one time do a small tour of like 50 seat rooms? Tiny little places, no.

Oh, wow. Yeah, they came here to America, and they did this tour probably in like 2007 or 2008. They had a new album. And so they were going to do a small show, big show. So they were doing small rooms, big rooms. And it turned into a complete shit show because I mean, you can't play, the Rolling Stones can't show up for a 50 seat room and not have seven outside of it.

I think they quickly learned that was a bad idea. Wow. Do you know what is amazing? Because I've been able to do those bigger rooms. And it's more just your creative ego that wants to do that room to say, I've ticked off and I've done that thing. And it's amazing. I can't sit and pretend I don't want to do it again. But it's not what I strive for long term. I think when I'm able to craft a bit of material and it works in a room of 100, 200 people, and it's intimate and I can see people really laughing, that is how you make this thing possible. That's how it becomes more than just comedy.

There's no comic out there, I don't know, but I can only speak for myself. I don't feel like any comic would you what's your end goal? You know, it's not to be an owl to fill out a stadium. It's like yeah, it's a flex But it's not the end goal because when you do comedy and the bigger the room It's not like this is for singers. This is for performances artists This is for you got back in dancers and fireworks, you know, that doesn't come for. You know, like that doesn't happen. So let me tell you about this one time. That doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Yeah.

Oh, Mo Gilligan is currently on tour in the United States for a few more dates, mogilligan.com. We're going to put all the links in the show notes and all of the pertinent stuff. I think you're going to have a lot of success here in the United States and we wish you a lot of success here in the United States. Oh, thank you so much. Oh, thank you. And if you're ever in Atlanta, you're welcome to come over. My wife's Venezuelan. She'll cook you some fantastic food. Oh, wicked. I'm here for it, man. Yes. Yeah. Well, my girlfriend's Brazilian, so they'll

get on. Amazing. Okay, bring your girlfriend over and my wife and the two of them will cook an incredible fucking meal. And I am here for Brazilian food too. Happy birthday by the way. We share a birthday. I was looking up at your stats. Oh no way. And I was like, February 19th.

Come on, come on, come on. She's got big Mo energy. Yeah, moms. Big up my pie, see it's big. That's right. Yes, man. Oh wicked. All right, Mo see it's big in the house. That's right. Yes, man. Oh, wicked.

All right, Mo, we're going to have you back. Thank you so much for coming. Serious on, if you ever come to Atlanta, we would love to have you. mogilligan.com, all the pertinent information in the show notes. Please check Mo out and his two Netflix specials. I think the commercial break audience will be pleased with this pond hopping comic from London. I told you I was going to find a way to fit British comedy into the show. You did.

I told you I was going to find a way and I did. You're our first British comic. You broke the seal. You always remember you're first, Mo. Mo, thanks so much. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you very much, guys. Well, thank the baby Jesus. Brian took a breath and now I will use this opportunity to let you know that we've got a brand new phone number. That's right. It's 212-433-3TCB. And you can text us anytime you want. Or you can call and leave us a voicemail and we might just use your

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I love Mo Gilligan. We could have talked for forever. Yeah, that's why we're, I intend to have him back because like when you find, not when you find, like as if I discovered the guy, but you know, agents extraordinaire. When you, when a listener, when anybody finds it. Hey listen, let me make the decisions and you shut your pie hole, okay? I'm Bob the agent and I'm here to tell you, Moe Gillan's the next great thing, he's here in the United States. And when you find the next great thing, you let everybody know about it. But when

you find something good and then you know that a lot of people don't know about it, you're like, oh, that's exciting. Let's get Mo out there. So Mo was such a nice guy. I intend to have him back. We vibed. We did. There was a vibe there. I agree. There was a vibe there. He, can I share something with you that might sound a little strange? I felt like I wanted to get a hug from Mo. I know. Did you? Yeah. Did you? I don't know. There's a weird energy going on on the screen where I was like, do you want a hug? I think I just like to hug British people though, because I feel like they're, you know, part of my spirit.

Yeah, you accomplished your mission. I feel that a lot when I'm watching the British comedy. Yes, I did accomplish my mission of having a British comic on the show. So more to come, I hope. Let's get on that. Who's doing that? I'll get more British comics left and right buddy yeah talk to Bob Bob will get them uncle Bob good old uncle Bob yeah thanks to Mo Gilligan mogilligan.com has a few shows here in the United States then he'll be on tour in London and Australia and other places and watch his two Netflix specials I guarantee you're gonna like it and he's got a ton of social media stuff. He's done television shows over there.

And they are now on YouTube, which isn't always the case. So, it seems like they put all the episodes out of his talk show called Late-ish. And he had some heavy hitters on there, like Schwimmer, David Schwimmer was on there. Who else did I see? I just saw a bunch of very notable people stop by his show. So, you know. He's big. He's huge in the UK. Let's see if we can get him to refer some of those people to the show. You think David Schwimmer would come on? I think David Schwimmer would come on.

What's David up to? You know, since friends, what's he doing? I don't know. Why can't he stop by here? Come on, David, come on the show. Talk to Bob. You and that Kristen Wiig. Yeah, talk to me. It's a small fee for being on the commercial break. People always ask me, people always ask me. Really? How much do you pay the guests? And I'm like, it doesn't work like that.

That's not how it goes. So one person over the weekend was like, you got some great guests. How much do you pay them? And I'm like, I don't pay the guests to be on the show. That's not necessarily how it works. I'm sure there are some people who do pay guests, but I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them.

I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I don't know if they pay them. I, how much do you pay them? And I'm like, I don't pay the guests to be on the show. That's not necessarily how it works. I'm sure there are some people who

do pay guests. I've actually been paid to be a guest on a podcast, but that podcast went nowhere quickly because the guy was paying to have nobody's on, right? But I was like, that's not how it works. Our agency is in contact with their agents and then that's how we get them on the show. Well, what did it like, Corey Haim or whoever, Foreman, Cheyenne? Yeah, Corey Feldman got a little slippery and he was like asking how much he would be paid to be on the show. And, you know, okay, listen, I'm not arguing with you because you asked, but I'm certainly not going to pay. Like, I'm not paying to have Corey Feldman on here. How about I get more people to listen to your incredible body of music and then we'll call it a wash? Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And so, but then this person also asked, they asked the inverse question. Oh, so they pay you? And I'm like, no, they don't pay us to be on, if they paid us to be on the show, we wouldn't be complaining about money so much because we would be just fine. We do work with a great company and they help facilitate this. They help facilitate all this. It's an agency, they help facilitate it. That's how we get the guests on the show.

That's how everybody gets guests on shows, just by the way. So breaking down all the walls here at the commercial break. Uh, you know, if you want to know more, you know what you can do. You can text us or call us and maybe we'll answer your questions. 212-433-3TCB. I'll tell you what, what I would really love to do

is besides the Moe Gilligans of the world, I'd love to have our fans come on and talk to us live here. That's really what we want. We've already set up a couple, so they're coming. And people have responded. And if you are just sitting on your butt waiting to respond, get on it, what are you waiting for? We'd love to talk to you. You have a question

You want to ask us a crazy story you want to tell you have something interesting you have to say to us We don't care just come on the show. So send us a brief description two one two four three three three TCB that's two one two four three three eight two two Text us. Let us know you want to be on the show, you know, tell us a little something about it. You can also give us comments, questions, concerns, or content ideas to that phone number via text message or voicemail. We'll take all comers, don't worry about it. We'll even take your shitty comments. Actually, sometimes I like the shitty comments better. It reminds

us that we have a lot of work to do. It keeps us humble. Yeah, it keeps us right on point. Haven't you noticed the show's getting so much better? Yeah. All those shitty comments really whipped us into shape. Yeah. Same mediocre train running down a jagged track. That's all I gotta say.

Also, if you would do us a favor, visit our YouTube page, youtube.com slash the commercial break. We have all of our guest interviews are up there, and then we put clips and some of the shows are up there full time. And we will get back to putting full video episodes up there. We just had to clean up that whole podcast mess that was going on there for a minute.

But that's fixed now. One problem is fixed and now we'll solve another problem. That's how we work here. We take 10 weeks, yes, 10 weeks to fix fix a problem and then we'll get to the next problem So don't worry about it is coming soon. I had the commercial break on Instagram TCB podcast on tik-tok and do us a favor visit the website TCB podcast dot com that's where you go. You find out more about the show There's information about Chrissy and I and our friendship

It's a great website. Go then you can watch all the video You can listen to all the audio and you can get your free TCB sticker We probably on the next one by now. So TCB sticker go to the contact us page I want my sticker the drop-down menu send us your address and we'll shoot you off a sticker. No questions asked Okay, Chrissy, I guess that's all I can do for today. I think so. But I'll tell you that I love you. I love you.

I'll say best to you. Best to you. Best to Moe Gilligan. Go to moegilligan.com. Until next time. We always say, we do say, and we must say. Goodbye. Goodbye. You