The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Coronavirus: Is This How We Die? | Kiley Reid
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February 26, 2020.
From Comedy Central's World News Headquarters in New York, this is the Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Ears Edition.
Welcome to the Daily Show everybody.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you for coming out.
Thank you so much for coming out, people.
Let's do it.
Take a seat. Let's do it. Welcome to the Daily Show, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for coming out.
Thank you so much for coming out, people.
Let's do it.
Take a seat. Let's make a show.
I'm Trevor Noah. Our guest tonight is an author whose debut novel is a satire of race
in America called Such a Fun Age.
Kylie Reed is joining us, everybody.
It's a really brilliant book. Also on tonight's show, How You Can Go to Space, Roywood Jr. explores black fashion,
and we find out if we're all going to die.
So let's catch up on today's headlines.
Let's kick it off with NASA, America's most expensive way of collecting rocks.
If you wanted to be an astronaut when you were a little kid,
first of all, congratulations on being basic. And secondly, this may be your big chance.
You want to be an astronaut? Well, you better know how to swim.
NASA is looking for a new crop of cadets willing to take the plunge and hopes of reaching
outer space. The odds of being selected are pretty low.
NASA only needs about 20 trainees for the next class. Officials say degrees in math, science, and engineering are required,
and you have to have a master's degree.
So if you think you've got what it takes to survive,
not just a neutral buoyancy pool, but an actual mission in space,
well, the next astrodot class opens up on Monday.
Apply then.
Ha ha ha. Why are we laughing? Thank God this guy is covering NASA and not a tornado.
Everyone here is now homeless or dead.
But yes, NASA is looking for new astronauts,
but you can only apply if you have a master's degree and are in peak physical condition.
Basically, you have to be an athletic nerd, which doesn't exist. You've to be like, kneel the grass Mike Tyson. That's what you've got
to be. It's time to discuss supernovas. I'm joking Mike. Now I'll be honest I
think NASA's standards are too high. Like you shouldn't need a master's degree to
go to space. You just need two things. One, you need to know how to walk in slow motion.
You're like, and two, you need courage.
That's all you need.
You know who NASA should hire?
Those people who buy sushi at 7-Eleven.
That's what you need in space.
I see, you aren't afraid of taking risks.
You want to fly to Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto Pluto All right, another news. Remember the massive admission scandal that rocked American colleges last year?
Well, yesterday, one big parent got the biggest sentence yet.
This morning, the heiress to the hot pocket snack food fortune
is heading to prison after a judge handed down
the harshest sentence yet in the college admission scandal.
She understands the harm that her choices caused.
She understands the impact that her choices caused.
She understands the impact that those choices had on students.
Michelle Janif's sentenced to five months behind bars after pleading guilty to paying bribes to get her two daughters admitted to elite universities.
That's right. The Hot Pockets Arres was sentenced to five months in prison.
Although, after two and a half months, they'll her out, flip her over, and then put her back in.
By the way, can we admit, hot pockets arresses is a very weird phrase that is somehow both
trashy and extremely upper class at the same time.
It's like, introducing the archduchess of Scratch-Off Lottery Tickets.
Now, some people will be like, oh, five months doesn't seem like a long time in prison,
but it really is, especially if you are a rich white woman.
I mean, for them, that's basically life.
Think about it, by the time you get out, your book club has moved on to a totally new book.
If you go to prison in August, you'll completely miss pumpkin spice season. And worst of all, your kids will have completely forgotten who you are.
You'll be back like, it's me, your mom, the woman, the nanny gives you two on the weekends,
remember?
But on the other hand, she might come out of prison with all new ideas for fillings,
for hot pockets, you know? Yeah, she'll be back in the boardroom like, all right,, forget that ham and cheese shit. We're doing toilet wine and cigarettes.
Come on.
I'm going to put a shiv inside each one,
so if anyone steps to Aunt Becky,
they can catch a fade.
And finally, for all those ladies out there
who are sick and tired of how expensive tampons are,
you might want to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider to consider moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving moving to move to move to move to move to move to move to move to move to move to move to move to the Highlands. In Scotland, Parliament has just approved plans to make sanitary products freely available to all women. Yeah, it's the first nation in
the world to do this. Now the law would make tampons and sanitary pads available
at designated public places, places like youth clubs and pharmacies. In 2018, Scotland
became the first country in the world to provide free sanitary products
in schools, colleges and universities.
Yes, congratulations Scotland on being the first country to make sanitary products free
to all the women who need it.
Yeah, I think it should be like this everywhere.
You know?
Because if you think about it, it's crazy that half the population has to pay so much for
a natural process in their body.
I mean, imagine if there was like a tax on boners.
Yeah.
I would have been bankrupt by the time I was 13.
Part of me wonders if this law was passed by mistake.
You know, maybe someone in Scottish Parliament was just like, we need to fix our bloody
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All right, that's it for the headlines.
Let's move on, to our top story.
Let's talk about the coronavirus.
It's the worst global pandemic since Baby Shark.
There are now over 80,000 confirmed cases in 40 countries,
including 57 confirmed cases right here in the United States, 58.
And so, today, the President of the United States held an emergency press conference to address people's concerns.
I've just received another briefing from a great group of talented people.
We're ready to adapt and we're ready to do whatever we have to.
As the disease spreads, if it spreads, the level that we've had in our country is very low
and those people are getting better.
We're very, very ready for this.
I'm going to be putting our Vice President, Mike Pence,
I'm going to ask Mike Pence to say a few words, please.
Thank th. Thank you. Mike. Thank you, Mr. President. Yes, this is major news. Vice President, Mike Pence will be
in charge of America's effort to contain the coronavirus. And I think this is great. Yeah, because
Mike Pence has a lot of experience in this area. He's been quarantining himself from women his
whole life.
This is great.
And some might be worried.
Some might be worried because when Mike Pence was governor of Indiana, he enabled an
HIV outbreak when he didn't he didn't follow the advice of public health officials.
But I'll be honest, I still feel safer with him than with Trump. Because Trump, first of all if you saw the briefing, if you see, the news, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to tooi. tooi. tooi. tooi. too. too. too. toe. to to to to to know anything that we didn't. It's like he just gets these news online with us.
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Because that's Trump's real nightmare.
If his stock market gets sick, he would be like, no, not my poor stock market.
Not Wall Street.
I'll nurse you back to help with my special chicken soup.
It's a KFC bucket poured with diet coke.
It's delicious.
Don't judge.
The diet coke undos the KFCs.
And also, when Trump first talked about the coronavirus earlier this week,
I'm not going to lie, it wasn't exactly reassuring.
The coronavirus, which is, you know, very well under control in our country,
we have very few people with it.
The people are getting better.
They're all getting better.
I think that whole situation will start working out.
A lot of talent, a lot of brain powers being put behind it.
Two and a half billion dollars we're putting in is a very good chance you're not going die. You're not gonna die. Okay, we're definitely all gonna die.
You know, Trump is great for jokes, but in times of crisis,
Trump is the worst person to reassure the nation.
Because a president is like a parent.
They're supposed to make people feel like they have things under control.
Trump is like, yeah, maybe you never, like, he's the kind of parents who would freak their kid out even more.
He's like, Daddy, there are monsters under my bed?
Are they there?
Be like, I don't know, kid, probably not.
But nobody knows for sure.
Nobody knows.
I mean, you could have swallowed a tiny monster. So the question is, what is the latest news from the coronavirus? And how is it affecting the world?
Well, let's find out in our brand new segment, Is this how we die?
Today's catastrophic threat to humanity is the coronavirus, also known as COVID-19 or COFIFI.
Trump tried to humanity is the coronavirus, also known as COVID-19 or
co-fifee. Trump tried to warn us, but we laughed. Now, scientists are still learning
about this virus because it's so new. What we do know, though, is that it's extremely
contagious and that it looks different depending on which news channel you're watching. Yeah, on NBC, it looks like
fish eggs. On ABC, it looks like Nickelodeon slime. On CBS, it looks like radioactive cauliflower. And on Fox
News, they just made it look like Hillary Clinton. Lock it up. And now while
America is bracing for the worst, other countries around the world are in the
thick of it. So let's go over to Japan, where the coronavirus isn't just getting people sick,
it's also going for the gold.
The 2020 Olympic Games in Tokyo
might be canceled because of the outbreak.
A senior member of the International Olympics committee
told the Associated Press,
you're probably looking at a cancellation
if the coronavirus outbreak isn't curtailed by May.
You're talking about hundreds of thousands of people coming from 200-plus countries,
all staying in close quarters here in Tokyo for a few weeks and then going back out to their
home countries. If they don't get this thing under control, the potential for a major public
health crisis and outbreak is huge.
Yes, the Olympics might be canceled because of the coronavirus. And personally, I'm devastated because I was going to compete to to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete to compete in to compete in to compete in the the the to compete in the the the the to compete in the the the Olympics might be canceled because of the coronavirus. And personally, I'm devastated because I was going to compete in the shot puts.
Yeah, no, for real.
One of those big guys was going to throw me.
Now, canceling the Olympics is a pretty big deal.
In fact, the events has only ever been canceled for World Wars and its old tweets,
but it makes sense.
Hosting a worldwide competition during a pandemic is a recipe for disaster, right?
And it's bound to affect the quality of the sports.
I mean, you can't have that when there's diseases going on.
I mean, can you imagine the relays?
They're gonna have the slowest times ever.
No one's gonna want to toub to t. So, the virus is potentially a world war level threat.
And you might be thinking with this level of danger, we should be turning to God.
But as we're learning from the Philippines, God may not be able to help.
Millions of Christians around the world are observing Ash Wednesday today.
It marks the start of Lent, a season of fasting and prayer all leading up to Easter. This year, out of precaution for the
coronavirus, some churches are sprinkling ashes on the heads of churchgoers instead of
smudging it on their foreheads. Yes, as unbelievable as it sounds, because of the
coronavirus, many Catholic priests are just sprinkling ashes on their parishioners,
like a religious salt bay.
And that's how you know the coronavirus is serious,
because even the church is afraid.
Like if coronavirus was around in the Bible,
Jesus would have been like,
I will lay hands on this leper and I will raise the dead.
And for the, oh, coronavirus, no, no, no, no. Let me turn this water into Perel. I ain't touching that shit.
So Japan and the Philippines are taking major precautions.
But all the way over in Iran, things are already getting out of control.
Iran has suffered the highest number of coronavirus deaths outside of China, with 15 dead
and 95 cases reported.
On Monday, the country's deputy health minister went on TV, insisting that Iranian government had the coronavirus under control.
The the very next day it was announced that he himself had contracted the virus.
Are you shitting me? The health minister came out saying everything is fine,
but then he's got the disease?
So not only is this virus super contagious, it also has a sick sense of humor.
And it's bad enough, it's bad enough that the health minister, the deputy health minister
is sick, but it's even worse than in the days before he was diagnosed, he was going on TV and
spreading it around. I think I'm a gullu that I'm today.
I mean, I'm a man of.
I think it's safe to say that that guy's career is over.
Because let's be honest, the health minister that gets sick will never be trusted again.
Yeah, it's just like, everybody needs to wash their hands.
People like, man, why would we listen to you, you sick ass bitch?
So that's where we are now. The coronavirus, which started in Asia, has now spread from
Europe to the US, the Middle East, and all the way as of today to South America.
So remember people, wash your hands, try not to tou tou to tou to to cough, and stay away from that Iranian health official.
And if you do all of those things,
there's a good chance, you're probably not gonna die.
We'll be right back.
When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968,
there was nothing like it.
This is 60 Minutes. It in September 1968, there was nothing like it.
This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television.
Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives.
But that's all about to change.
Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible.
I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes,
a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Black History Month and we're celebrating all month long with Roywood Jr. celebrating the unsung heroes of Black History in another episode of CP Time.
Oh, welcome to CP Time. The only show that's for the culture. Today we'll be discussing black contributions to fashion.
Oh, woom. the only show that's for the culture.
Today, we'll be discussing black contributions to fashion.
Normally when we think about black fashion,
we think about church hats so big, they block your view of Jesus.
What we think about those suits that Steve Harvey wears that hog all the buttons.
Leave some buttons for the rest of us, Steve.
They keep my clothes together with staples.
But in actuality, the world of fashion has been filled with influential and iconic African
American designers.
Like our first trailblazer, Zelda Wynne Valdez, who was one of the first designers whose
clothing accentuated women's curves.
Before her, women's fashion covered up their figures with big-ass skirts the size of a carnival
cruise ship. Women would get lost, just bending over to tie their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the up their figures with big-ass skirts the size of a carnival cruise ship. Women would get lost, just bending over to tie their shoes.
Zelda's curved-flawning designs were so popular that Hugh Hefner asked her to design the
iconic outfit for the Playboy Bunnies.
I never went to the Playboy mansion myself because I was married and I also have a severe phobia of rabbits.
You never know where rabbits are hiding.
If you can pull one out of a hat, you can pull one out of anywhere.
It's my ass. I don't want to be around that.
Another black creator of Cout is Stephen Burroughs.
He rose to fashion prominence in the early 70s during the disco.
I was always confused by disco.
I couldn't tell who was dancing and who was giving me directions.
But disco isn't just about the moves.
It's about the fashion, which Stephen Burles helped shape.
He hung out at Studio 54 and was popular among its celebrity regulars.
He was the first to design clothes that were comfortable on the dance floor,
even at 3 a.m. Right when the cocaine hit so hard you thou were that were comfortable on the dance floor, even at 3 a.m.
Right when the cocaine hit so hard, you thought you were the disco ball.
Cocaine was better in the 70s.
Burroughs also invented lettucing, which is when you make the material at the edge of a garment, curve, and ripple.
Like a piece of lettuce. I'll have to take his word for it, because I've never eaten a piece of lettuce. I'll have to take his word for it because I've never eaten a piece of lettuce
My favorite vegetable is caramel covered popcorn
And finally our last designer brings us to the modern day
Virgil Ablow the first African-American artistic director at Louis Vuitton and driving force behind this decade streetwear movement
He made high-end fashion take streetwear seriously, you know, fancy logos t-shirts, t-shirts, te-shirt, tjuts, like, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their thirt, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like thirty, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, and th, and th, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and ttap, and ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttcc. tclo tttclo tttclo tclo tc. tclo tc. streetwear seriously. You know, fancy logos, t-shirts, chunky sneakers, hoodies,
pretty much anything you're not supposed to wear to a funeral
unless you and the deceased had beef.
Rest in peace, Spencer.
Ms. Jordan's is stepping on your grave.
Now don't be fooled by the term streetwear.
One of Ablow's biggest companies, off-white,
sells sweatpants for over $300.
And this luxury undershirt cost 200.
Although I don't know why you would spend so much money on a shirt
that ain't nobody gonna see.
You know how much I paid for my underwear?
Nothing.
A six pack of drawers fell off the back of a Walmart truck in 1987 and I never
looked back. So the next time you zip your fly and you're looking fly, remember the
African-American fashion trail blazers who made you that blazer. Now if you'd excuse
me I'm going to make my first shirt retail price $10,000. This old man has his debts.
Well that's all the time we have for today. Retail price $10,000. This old man has his debts.
Well, that's all the time we have for today.
I'm Roywood Jr.
This has been CP time.
And remember, for the culture, take me some...
Damn. Somebody give me a napkin.
I'm bleeding on my fabric. When JPMeuxed Jr. everybody, we'll be right back.
When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it.
This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television.
Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives.
But that's all access to the treasures in our archives.
But that's all about to change.
Like none of this stuff gets looked at.
That's what's incredible.
I'm Seth Done of CBS News.
Listen to 60the Daily Show.
My guest tonight is a writer who explores racism and privilege in her New York Times best-selling debut novel called Such a Fun Age.
Please welcome, Kylie Reed. Welcome to the Daily Show.
Thank you for having me.
Congratulations on your debut novel being a New York Times bestseller, seven weeks on the New York
Times bestseller list.
That's amazing.
And congratulations on creating a book that's not just doing well, but it's creating
so much buzz in the right ways.
You have fans that include Reese Witherspoon who's made it like her book club book of the
month.
You've got Lena Waith who bought it, you know, got bought the film rights for the book,
which is really fantastic.
The book is an interesting one because it opens with 25-year-old Amira, who is this woman who works as a babysitter, working for a
white family who's very rich, and things basically go wrong. Yeah. Like where
do you even come up with a story like that? Because it seems like a simple story. It's
like, oh it's just going to be babysitter world and it's like no, it turns into
fake kidnapping and then white privilege. It's funny, but it's also deep at the Where does that come from? I think that in many ways, this is a really old story, a black caregiver and a white
woman and a white child, and their interactions are really precarious and charged.
And from the very first chapter, Amira is accused of kidnapping this child and she's humiliated,
and I think that what makes it different is someone pulls out a cell phone, and
people's relationship to racist incident when they see it firsthand. Yeah, because you have the story that many people can relate to on the surface, which
is we see it all the time and we don't even think it's not normal, which is black women
raising white people's children.
Right, but that's been going on for quite some time, yeah.
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No, I was a really good babysitter because I was terrified of hurting the child ever.
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Right, now I don't want to spoil what happens later on in the book,
but I will tell people what really is the catalyst in my opinion
in the story, and that is you have Amira being in this place
where she's been accused of kidnapping this little white child. You also have an incident where there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, the thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th is is th. th is th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thro, and I throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, thi, the family's under siege, and then the woman who's in the house, Alex, calls her and says, hey, Amira, I need you to come and look
after my child while we're trying to work through this whole racism thing, and then she wants
to be her friend.
And that's really what the book is in and around.
I think so, this is your employee and you have to respect her space and that's where things get tricky.
Why do you think it becomes so tricky?
Because I think it's hard to explain to people and it's a really wonderful book to read
because it's so natural.
But how did you manage to capture how tricky it can be for the, a white woman, who really seems well-intentioned, and she wants to connect with this black woman
who works for her, she wants to be her friend,
and yet doesn't realize all of those tiny missteps
that are being interpreted completely differently
from the black woman's side.
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And Alex is constantly trying to superficially level the playing field with her
and saying, oh, I got my shoes at Payless or I spent,
you know, nothing on this rug as if she would get along with her
because of those things, but she's not realizing this girl is really struggling,
and so that's where they miss each other...........
miss each other. Yeah, is there a reason you went with that for the story? You know, it could have been a simpler story. It could have been one that didn't
contain as much complexity which would really get us into these
conversations because I've read reviews from everyone of every race, every
every walk of life saying I see myself in the story in a different way.
Is there a reason you went with this specific story? It's probably because I love awkward moments.
I just can't get enough of them when I watch people squirm
and when I read something that makes me have to put a book back down,
those are my absolute favorite moments.
And so it's not fortunate for my character.
Right.
That's what I love to read.
How many people have asked to toughs to say, the limit does not exist. So many.
And it's all those little things that are so layered in history
that I love writing about.
Yes.
So let me ask you this.
Someone's reading this book, and they go,
Kylie, I'm really trying.
I'm really trying.
I'm a white person who's really trying.
I'm athese microaggressions are taking place. I don't even know that I'm offending people in these moments. I'm really trying.
When someone reads this book, what do you hope that they would take from it that would give
them a greater understanding of what they're doing in the world or how they're interacting
with people of color?
And this does happen. At every reading I have, the white woman who's just, to thii, and she, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, th, the, th, the, th, the, th, the, the, the, the, th, thi, the, the, th, th, th, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, thi, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what th..... th. th. th. th. th. th, what th, what th, what th, what th, what th, what th, what th, what th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they, they, they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thea. thea. thea, this book. I think the biggest thing is the influence of the society rather than the individual.
I feel that as soon as I start saying, you're a bad person, I stop judging the systems that
keep poor people poor and give people permission to treat other people this way.
There's a really big racist incident in the first chapter where Amira is racially profiled, but for the rest of the novel novel novel novel struggling to get health insurance. And that is something that has been a problem
for domestic labor workers since the 1930s and before that as well.
And so I think covering these bigger issues
of systemic racism is way more important
than, you know, did I say the right thing
in front of my cool babysitter?
It really is fascinating that book, one thing that jumps out to me is you have this world where you've tackled an issue that many people have commented on.
You know, I see it a lot online.
People saying, for instance, when there's a presidential debate or when people are talking to politicians,
they make it seem like there are black issues and there are issues for every other
American, when in fact black people have issues like, and in fact, black, and, black, and, anyone else can. And in this book you seem to highlight that it's one issue of race and then there are just issues of life that anyone can face. Was that purposeful?
Oh, 100%? I think that talking about race without talking about class is kind of a moot point.
And there's black women in the novel who are wealthy and have really high respect
politics and believe that Amir should want more for her life. And then she has other black friends who support her and everything she does. And I think not including all of those differences does a disservice to black women.
Well, I'll tell you this, you've written a book that is funny, it's engaging, it is
wonderfully awkward in many moments.
You don't want to put it down, you read so quickly.
This is not going to be your first best-selling novel.
So thanks out and get it.
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