The Daily Show: Ears Edition - How to Talk to Racist Family Members During The Holidays | TDS Time Machine
Episode Date: December 17, 2023The Daily Show jumps back in time to this day in 2018 with host Trevor Noah. It’s revealed that Russian trolls carried out aggressive operations meant to convince African Americans to vote in Trump�...��s favor in the 2016 election. And, Dulcé Sloan gives her take on Russia’s efforts to court black voters. Plus, need help talking to your racist family members this Christmas? Desi Lydic gets some tips from expert Dr. David Campt. And Trevor talks with Pusha T about the mission behind his Grammy-nominated album “Daytona,” what people misunderstand about rap beefs and his relationship with Kanye West.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show.
It's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting. You'll be saying to yourself, TGID.
Thank God it's Thursday. We're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me.
The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are
they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient
to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance it's probably second.
I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go,
but how many of them come out on Thursday?
I mean, talk about innovative.
Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart,
wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central. December 18, 2018.
From Comedy Central's World News Headquarters in New York.
This is the Daily Show everybody.
Thank you for tuning in.
Thank you for coming out.
I'm Trevor Noah.
My guest to-night is a rap icon who put out one of my favorite albums this year.
Thank you for the too thee too.
I'm Trevor Noah.
My guest tonight is a rap icon who put out one of my favorite albums this year.
Pusha T is here, everybody.
Very much in the show.
And I'm not going to lie, after he's beef with Drake,
I'm a little nervous to interview him because we've all seen what he can do to Light Skin Brothers.
But first, let's catch up on today's headlines.
There's a ton of stuff in the news today.
CBS announced it was firing Les Moonves without paying him his $120 million in severance.
Japan has said it's getting back into the military game, building its first aircraft carrier since World War II. Yeah, so basically Japan is like Louis C.K. They're like, okay, we did something bad, but I think enough time is past. to to to to to to to to to the to the the to get the the the th. th. th. th. to the to to th. to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. tho. tho. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. the news. thoo. today. toooo. too. too. basically, Japan is like Louis C.K.
They're like, okay, we did something bad,
but I think enough time has passed.
Gotta get back in the game now.
And if you love weapons,
and the news of the Trump administration
banning bump stocks has you sad,
well, New York State is a truc,
too the Second Amendment.
The ban on the martial arts weapon was adopted in 1974.
There were fears the popularity of Kung Fu films would lead to criminals, especially
young gang members using nunchucks.
Yes!
Do you hear that people?
Nunchaks are back, ba-back!
Back?
I feel like I'm 14 years old again.
Oh God, I buy some nunchucks and then go home and masturbate furiously.
And all of this is happening thanks to the lawsuit of one very committed New Yorker.
Cowabunger, dude.
Thank you.
I will say, I will say, New York clearly has its priorities off.
Like, it's taking forever to legalize weed, but nunchucks are now fair game.
Like, of all the cities in America, New York is the worst place to legalize nonchucks.
Everyone is already highly strong, and now you're throwing in ninja tools?
Like, subway fights are about to get real.
Like, the only good thing about New York is that it's maybe too crowded to actually pull
your arm out.
So people are going to be in the train, like, man, if I had two, if I had two feet, oh, man,
like you, oh, you, oh, and you, oh, and you fuck off lady, I would be, oh, you, I swear ass. For now I'm just going to make the Bruce Lee sounds. Woo! Whah! Whah!
I will say though, like the one benefit of Nunchucks is that it's the only weapon that hurts
the user more than the victim.
I like that.
Yeah, it'd just be like someone mugging you like, give me all your mugging, give me all your, ah, ah, give me all your, ah, give me all, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the one, the one, the one, the one, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the one, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the one, the one, the one, the oneunchak mugging, there's a 50% chance that I'm walking away with his watch. I like that.
Moving on to some other news, by now, we all know about the gender wage gap between men and women.
It's really the worst gap after the baby gap. Nothing in my size.
And today, today, the World Economic Forum released a study saying that the gender wage gap is going away.
Yeah.
In 202 years.
Sorry, I should have led with that part.
Yeah, which let's be honest is bad news for everyone who's alive today.
Because it means at this rate we won't live to see the gap close.
Well, except for Jennifer Lopez, who's the only person aging slowly enough.
Yeah, because in 200 years, she'll be like, what, 57, I think?
No, wait, 58, sorry, 58.
Moving on to some technology news, it turns out people hate it.
People are slashing tires, throwing rocks, pointing guns at self-driving cars. People in Arizona have recorded 21 incidents of this in the past
two years. Now the Arizona Republic reports in other cases people stood in front of the
vehicles to prevent them from driving, yelled at them, chase them, and forced them off the
road. The article says people appear to be frustrated by their presence.
People are chasing and yelling at cars.
I'm pretty sure this has less to do with self-driving cars and more to do with Arizona's meth problem.
Because someone shouting at a car just sounds like a crazy guy who seen Transformers way too many times.
He's like, hey, you bumblebee? You Bumblebee? I know
you're Bumblebee, I know you're there. I kind of understand it though. It's got to
mess with you when you have road rage but then there's no one to direct it at. You're
just driving in your car. You're like, you cut me off, you invisible, asshole. You not even hear pieces. Shit. You know what man, I'll just I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I just, I I just, I just, I just, I just, I just just just just just th. I just just just just just just just just just just just th. I just just th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. theeeeean. treean. treeean. thean. the. the. the. I the. I'm the. You know what, man, I just throw a rock at you.
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And finally in headlines, the world's worst charity has closed its doors.
President Trump will be closing down his charity,
the Donald J. Trump Foundation.
It was sued by New York's Attorney General over claims that Donald Trump's children
abused its tax-exempt status and violated campaign finance loss.
We have a tweet here from the New York State AG Attorney General's office.
The foundation functioned as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump's interests.
Our lawsuit remains ongoing.
That's right.
Donald Trump's charity, which frequently spent money on Donald Trump has been forced to shut down.
Which makes sense. I mean if the
beneficiary of the charity has become president, I think the charity has done
his job. It's time to shut it down. Yeah, it's the same way all the people who
used to send me a dollar when I was back in Africa stopped paying me when I
became host of the Daily Show. It's done. Yeah, it worked out. It worked out. And if you're saying, hey Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi, th, th, th, th, th, to, to, to. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, it, th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th. It's, th. It's th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. te, te, te. te. te. te. te. te. thea. te. thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's the. It's the. It's the, it's already successful before you got this job? What the fuck are you, Robert Mullah? Shut up!
Now, I'm going to be honest with you guys, I'm even shocked that Trump had a charity.
I always thought the only Trump charity was the women who agreed to have sex with him.
But, but, but, but, this is real.
This is real. And it turns out the Trump Foundation did a lot of shady shit
that caught the eye of investigators.
Like when Trump used $12,000 from his charity
to buy himself a helmet signed by Tim Tibo,
which is something even Tim Tibo wouldn't want.
And he even spent $10,000 charity dollars to buy a portrait of himself
to hang up in his own golf club.
Yeah.
I mean, at this point, the least the man can do is donate that painting to a child.
Yeah, free nightmares for the rest of your life.
All right, let's move on to our main story.
2018 is almost over.
But it feels like the whole country is still nursing a
hangover from the 2016 presidential election. Trump is still obsessed with
Hillary, Mueller is still investigating Trump, and Democrats are about to
launch a slew of new investigations into his campaign. It feels like a billion years
from now, just before the sun dies out, the last thing you will hear before the
universe goes silent is, no collusion. And then there'll be one more Avengers movie and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the thi, thi, the the the thi, the the thi, the the the the the the the thi, their thi, thi-in, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their thi, their thi- is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi's thi's thi's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi thing you will hear before the universe goes silent is, no collusion.
And then there'll be one more Avengers movie and then it's over.
But now, over two years later, we're still learning about how deep the Russian rabbit hole goes.
Russia's interference in the election is a serious thing, especially because they targeted
one group in particular.
This is really important what I'm about to tell you right now because there's new information.
Two new reports commissioned by the Senate Intelligence Committee looked at data provided
by Facebook, by Twitter and Google, and they found that they were trying to suppress
African-American votes.
The Russian set up 30 Facebook pages targeting African-Americans,
specifically 10 YouTube channels, 571 videos related to police violence
against African-Americans.
Some of these posts distorted the record of Hillary Clinton
and former president Barack Obama.
Facebook ads were targeted at users who had shown interest in particular topics,
including Black History,
the Black Panther Party, and Malcolm X.
The Russian accounts use voter suppression tactics, encouraging black voters to stay home or
vote for Jill Stein.
Oh man, that is so insulting for Jill Stein.
Even in Russia, they're like, stay home or vote for Jill Stein is Sam. Same thing, same thing.
It's almost like the phrase, vote for Jill Stein, is this just the new way of saying,
waste of time? You know?
Like, one kid is going to be like, but dad, I want to be a DJ.
But like, no son of mine is going to vote for Jill Stein his life away, okay? But that's right. It thu th. It turns th. It turns th. It turns th. It turns th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. th. thu. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. that. th. th. th. they's th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the phrase. the phrase. the phrase. the phrase. the phrase. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. the. the. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th's right. It turns out, the Russians spent a lot of effort specifically trying to convince
black Americans not to vote.
Like, look at this meme that they put out.
This is a real meme that they found came from the Russians.
And it says, before you vote, listen to M.J.
All I want to say is that they don't really care about us.
And I feel bad for Michael Michael Michael man died 10 years ago and now Vladimir
Putin is using him as a propaganda tool. Like if you told Michael Jackson that someday Russians
would turn him into a meme to manipulate black people, you know what he would have said?
He would have been like, what's a meme? Oh, kids like them? Show me how to make one.
Too soon?
And what's crazy is that sometimes the Russians went way beyond just putting out memes.
They actually convinced people to do stuff in the real world.
One such operation convinced and paid martial arts instructor Omawalei
to run self-defense classes for African-Americans.
To quote, protect your rights, let them know black power matters. They convinced you very
easily very very easily some of the things were you know sketchy but at the
end of the day it's still fitness what I love about this guy is that for
him and most fitness instructors fitness just comes first you know it's
like the Russian is like yeah but I mean there was fitness you know you could say anything to a th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. the the the the thi thi the the the the the their their their their their their their they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the the the the the their their their the. the. the. the. the. thee. theeat the. thee. theee. the. they. the they're they're they're they the Russians, they're like, yeah, but I mean, there was fitness, you know?
You could say anything to a fitness instructor.
You could be like, do you see what's happening in North Korea?
They'll be like, man, those labor camps are disgusting.
But you got to admit, they're getting their steps in.
For more on Russians reaching out to a real black American. Dulce Sloan, everybody. So, hey, do you feel good? You're feeling good?
You're feeling good?
You're feeling good?
Doce, stand in the house, everybody.
So, Dulce, I have to ask you, what do you make of this news?
Trevor, I feel disgusted.
I feel manipulated.
And I feel special.
Russia could have gone after anyone.
Latinos, Asians, millennials, but they said we're going after the ones who count.
Black people.
Can you believe that?
I mean, some white people actually do think black lives matter.
Well, yeah, I hear what you're saying, but they were only paying attention to us.
But they were only paying attention to us.
Yeah, but at least they're paying attention to us.
The only time our president notices us is when he's fighting with LeBron James on Twitter.
I mean, Trump probably thinks that Martin Luther King's last name is Boulevard. But while Trump's ignoring black people, Putin's been looking at us from across the bar
this whole time.
I see you Vlad.
I see you lad.
On horseback with them tiny nipples.
How'd you get that horse in this club?
Okay, okay, I get it, but doesn't it bother you that Russia only did this to suppress
the black vote?
Trevor, you know who else suppresses America's black vote?
America.
Have you been to Georgia?
They made it impossible for some black people to vote.
At least Putin gave us a choice.
Plus he's got that cute accent.
He'd be like, beautiful brown woman. I promise not to kill you.
Maybe.
Ooh, I like danger.
So wait, so what you're saying is, even though Russia interfered in the election and maybe
helped Trump get elected, you're fine with it?
Oh, no, I'm not saying I'm fine with it. I'm just saying I appreciate the effort.
In order to do this, they sat down and got to know black Americans, our likes, our dislikes, our culture.
Do you know how hard it must be for a Russian to understand, Amigo?
You have to learn English and then forget it.
I mean, that's the kind of work I want my government to put in.
Don Sloan, everybody!
Look at that.
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You know, going home for the holidays is often a recipe for disaster.
But what if I told you, your next awkward family gathering could actually make the world a better place.
Well, Desi Leidic has more.
Our country is experiencing the most divisive time in recent history.
But the holidays are upon us.
I want to find out what families are doing to stay connected this season.
We just ignore family around the holidays.
We stay ready for formalities that are racist.
Take antidepressants.
Get medicated.
We've got lots of racist relatives.
Yes, unfortunately.
What do you do when your racist cousin says something racist?
Not allowed in my house.
Not allowed in my house.
No way, my house, my rules.
My grandfather was racist when we would watch football.
And people of particular color would be running down the field.
He would cheer for them using the not nice ones.
He's dead now. That's good. That's probably for the best. I was starting to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the. the. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. toean. toe. th. That's probably for the best. I was starting to see a pattern, particularly among white families.
But crazy shit like this doesn't have to be a holiday tradition.
Luckily there's a solution.
And that's where I come in, by letting this guy come in.
Meet Dr. David Camp.
As a racial dialogue expert, he travels the country running a workshop called the White Ally Toolkit, where woke white liberals learn to effectively communicate with the not so woke.
David's basically the white people whisperer.
So how many of you folks have racist friends, relatives that you think you might see over
the holidays?
Everybody.
So the method that you want to think about is race.
And race stands for reflect, ask, connect, expands.
Let's suppose that person is your cousin, Biff.
How does he know my cousin, Biff?
And Biff wants to talk about how affirmative actions keeping him out of a job and making
black folks lazy.
What do you do?
Not my house.
What does that mean? It's not allowed in your house.
My house, my rules.
Not my house.
Or you can try to influence people and stay connected to them.
You ask him what happened in his life that caused him to believe that?
Is that, is that?
No?
Actually, that's correct.
That's exactly what you should do.
All right. Let's turn to the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the right, let's turn to the next part of the scenario.
So what's important to do is to find something you can agree with and what Biff said and connect with him.
No, I can't connect with him.
As an official black person, I'm telling you, you can connect with him.
Yeah, but I gotta be real honest with you. I may be white on the outside, but on the inside. No, no, no, no.
No, no.
I did see Black Panther nine times, though.
I know very much identified with it.
That's great, but you are a white person.
Yeah.
And you have a similarity to Biff that I do not.
Okay, you know, I hear you. I get it now.
Okay. To see if this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th th th was effective, I needed to try it out in the real world.
I've decided to put David's methods to the test. And there's no better place to find conflicting family views than New Jersey.
The Co-Francisco family had a history of dinners gone bad. So they were more than willing to let any random stranger with cameras come into their home if it meant their holidays could be more pleasant. What's on your sweater? Just, you know, your standard traditional Christmas sweater.
It's black.
Yeah, it's just a Santa sweater.
Pop pop up, would you wear a sweater like Desi's?
Maybe not.
If I would have known you were in your Black Santa's, sir, I would have worn my Black Jesus sweater.
Jesus is white. Jesus is white.
Jesus is a Jewish.
Jewish is a religion.
The nationality part is Jewish.
No.
Well, if Jesus wasn't going to bring this family together at Christmas time,
there was only one thing that could.
So, who likes football?
I don't watch football anymore.
He hasn't watched football all year.
Why haven't you watched football all year. Because I'm like what's going on? The kneeling. The kneeling. Yes.
Don't like it.
You don't like it?
Not at all.
I disagree.
It was time to work my magic.
Okay, so you say that you disagree.
Okay.
This is the point of the conversation where you need to connect.
You're really going to teach you
how to have a civilized conversation. I think it's going great. I really feel that this
family is responsive to the techniques that I've shown them.
I think David would feel very proud of the way that I'm handling this.
I put the TV on and I watch this kid kneel down. I shut it off. I don't want to watch him.
Just like let them kneel. Who cares? They good. You actually just did all four steps in one statement.
You were reflecting on what was happening here.
You asked for help.
You were connecting with me and you were expanding on an idea.
What?
All four.
Yeah.
Happy all in.
What's so happy, Bob?
It's a scary type of men right now.
Men?
Men?
Just men?
Well, there's always next year.
Something tells me I'll be back.
Guys the Lyddick, everyone.
We'll be right back.
Hey, everybody, John Stewart here.
I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday.
We're going to be talking about the election earnings calls.
What are they talking about on these earnings calls?
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I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them
come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. Tonight is a legendary rapper whose latest album Daytona just received a Grammy nomination
for Best Rap Album.
Please welcome, Push a T.
Welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me.
I'm so glad to finally have you here and most importantly, congratulations on your Grammy nomination.
Thank you, thank you.
I'm so glad to finally have you here and most importantly, congratulations on your
Grammy nomination.
Thank you, thank you.
Wow, I feel good about that.
Yeah?
It feels super good about that.
I know people say things, but you said about a year ago when the album that came
out, you like, yo I'm getting knew it. Like, I honestly knew it.
What was it about this album that made you feel like,
yo, this is a Grammy nod?
Man, we had the luxury of time, which is why the album's entitled Daytona.
That's my favorite watch, the Rolex Daytona.
Right. And me and Kanye had the luxury of time.
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I am.
I am.
Yeah, you're a lyricist, you create in a really organic way and it feels like hip-hop
is meant to feel.
You know what I'm saying?
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And you came in and you were like, no, I'm going to make it punchy, I'm going to make it short
and I'm going to make it fire. Was that a specific decision that you made to buck the trend. You know a lot of people make long albums and you know sometimes
they have a lot to say so they make long albums or they make long albums so
the streaming numbers you know go higher and it makes their sales bigger and
the music may be a little cheap so you know just so people knew that we
weren't playing those type of games we made a shorter album seven songs
straight to the point of All Killer No Fillin.
Oh.
Oh.
The album has been met with, I mean, just resounding reviews from everyone.
Yeah.
Everyone from, you know, hip-hop.
Genuinely it has.
Like, I got to wrap out for the year.
Yeah, a lot of people are saying that.
And your fans love you.
I mean, this was next level.
Last week, you lost your Cartier bracelet in the crowd, right?
And then one of your fans returned the bracelet to you.
Yes. Such a great man.
Is that a reflection of how good your music is or how lame your fans are?
Which one is it?
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that to happen? Like 50? I remember when 50 wasn't, was it like Angola or something? Yeah.
And then like you went in the chain. He went in with his chain. And then like you came, you're a gangster and then and the the chain and the the chain and the chain and the chain and the chain and the chain and the chain and the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And the chain. And that's the chain. And that's that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's. I. I. I. And that's. And that's. And. And you got you got it back like the special connection that you share with your fans. Do you think that as an
artist you've managed to maintain that sense of being underground whilst
being commercially successful? Definitely. You know I say that you know I go out
and I perform in front of 2,000 people right? And to me those are like the coolest 2,000 people in the world like they're like they they they tell the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I te. I te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. th. th. their. their. the coolest 2,000 people in the world.
Like, they are like, they tell me what to wear, they tell me what to buy, they tell me it was fresh.
I learn everything from those guys.
Now, I can go, you know, during festival season and we're doing 40, 50,000 people.
But it's something about those 2,000 that are just like really honed in and really, I don't call them fans, I call them family.
That's amazing, it sounds like you're a fan of your fans.
For sure, I like that.
They teach me everything.
That's a different way to see it.
The album was powerful not just because of the lyrics,
but also because of the music.
But from the very beginning, it was met with controversy because the album cover was something that polarized so many people.
On the album cover you had the picture of the bathroom where Whitney Houston was found.
And I mean, I remember when this came out, people were.
No, no, that's not the bathroom when she was found.
That was just her home bathroom.
Right, okay.
And so this was Whitney Houston's bathroom.
And a lot of people were like, why? Why that imagery?
I felt like, you know, this image
spoke to exactly what's going on on the album.
It's organized chaos.
It's luxury.
It's drugs.
It's, it's, uh, it's just chaos.
Do you feel like you revel in that?
Is that like a world?
Because you know what I find interesting about you is,
you never strike me as somebody who doesn't seem out of control?
And yet what you rap about is everything that's happening in the world that's beyond your control?
Is that conscious? Is that who you are?
100%. I mean, I make luxury street rap.
And, you know, that's fascinating luxury street rap. Yes
We're gonna talk about everything we're gonna talk about the good the bad the ugly
The Benz is in jail too wow talk about everything you actually wrote a song when meek mill was in prison and as what would meek do? Yeah, man because I wish he was on that record
What were you feeling like like? Honestly, you see somebody like me mick mill go to prison and you know a lot a a th? a th? a th? a th? a th? a th. a th. a th. a th. a th. a th. th. th. th. A th. A th. A th. A th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te? tm. tm. tm. tm. tm. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. te. te. te. to. to. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. t. t. t. that record. What were you feeling like, like, honestly, you see somebody like Meek Mill go to prison. And you know, a lot of the time people say about hip hop or sports or whatever, especially
as a black man in America, people go, I made it out.
Right.
This is a life I get to live so that I don't get trapped in the life that was destined
for me in many ways. When you saw Meek in that situation, was, was, was, was, that, thapapap, was, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to me, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo., too, thi, thi, thi, was there a part of it that touched you where you were like, that's like close to home? Totally, because Meek is one of my favorite rappers and he's like a rapper that I've watched,
I watched them on DVDs, I watched them just come up as a kid.
He was actually popping a wheelie in one of my first videos, like when I first started,
right?
He was like a kid on a bike in the neighborhood and we was like yeah do that Willie and he did it right so so for to watch him watch his rise see how great he is as a MC and then him
going through you know legal troubles for popping a Willie actually right it was
terrible and then you know now now you see him now and you know he's came out with
his new album is hot and it's through the roof everybody loves it but it's like man he he had to go through all of that just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the to the to to to to to to the to to to to the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the they. they. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the hot and it's through the roof. Everybody loves it, but it's like, man, he had to go through all of that just to get back
to this point.
It's amazing how it feels like the world that you've been in as Push-A-Tee, you have
been at the epicenter of hip-hop music and entertainment news over the past year. You know, we cannot speak about push a tea without tha-a-a-a-a-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-in-s, thu-s, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, to-a-s, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu. th-a-s, th-a-s, th-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. to-s, to-s, to-s-s-s-s, tttttttttttoda-suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Drake beef. You know, like as soon as you sat down, the first thought I have in my head is,
do I have a son that you want to tell me about, Pusha?
No, man.
I just wondered one thing, and that was, do you ever feel like, do you feel like rap battles or something that are still,
are they still relevant in today's
rap culture? Or do you think that like people have lost, like a sense of what they were
or what they're supposed to be? Because some people go, rap battles were around when, you know,
when rap battles. the rap is changed in its image and rap. And now it's like the battles, now it's like, the battle. the battles. Now it's like, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, people, like, the, the, the, people, like, like, the, the, like, like, like, people, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, oh, but pusher, you went into family, that's over the edge. But people go, but there is no edge in a rap battle. There is no edge in rap battles.
Everybody has to stop that narrative.
It's terrible.
Right.
They're like ruining the game.
You know, in a rap battle, it's doggy,
it's doggy dog. Right. And you just go for it. It's about. And it., it's about just being scathing and getting a rise,
getting a rise out of your opponent.
Right.
Or making them hush.
You, you did feel like it went to the next level,
though, when you were at a concert in Canada.
Yeah. And then like one of Drake's people or fans
jumped onto the stage.
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No, they're very much so for me.
Right?
No, they're very much over me.
Totally.
When you look at this album, though,
when you look at a rap thrown,
when you look at a rap battle, Like even in that clip we watched, it feels like you're battling. It's like a flow that you're going through. There's no beat that comes in yet.
There's no, nothing is broken.
It's just you rhyming, just like going through those bars,
one, one rhyme after another.
It feels like, is that what luxury street rap is?
I mean, that's, that is just the criteria for my style of rhyme. Right. It's always going to feel combative.
It's always going to feel, you're always going to feel that angst. You're always
going to get that message. Right. Not everybody's like that. Why do you think
people connected with the album? Why do you think it's nominated for a Grammy?
Because this, this is the purest rap album that people have had in a long, long time.
And just to be honest, I mean, this is quintessential samples from Kanye West
and lyric-driven hip-hop from Push Your Teeth.
The best rapper, best producer, that's the album of the year, period.
Before I let you go, before I let you go, one of the headlines you made this year is
you said the Make America Great Again hats is this generation's Ku Klux Klan Hood.
But your friend, it's a powerful statement.
But as you said, your friend and collaborator, Kanye West, your business partner,
he wears that hat with pride.
He doesn't anymore.
He doesn't anymore.
No.
Let me ask you this honestly as a friend.
He stopped though.
He stopped though.
He stopped.
No, no, no.
Okay.
Okay.
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As somebody who has your beliefs, how do you even begin those conversations with somebody
who you know connects with you on so many other things?
Can you imagine having those conversations while he's trying to make my album? Like he's like, he basically has basically has my life, you, you, you, you, th...... th. I, th. I, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. to, to, to, to, th. I, to, to, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. I. I. I. I, to, to, to, to, to, to. too. too. too. too. toe. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe palm and I have to tell him that I hate something right
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to connect so well right because it's it's a given take if I don't like something I say it and he tries to correct it and right so on and so forth and when you when you look at the things we can't escape the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he tries to correct it and so on and so forth. And when you look at Kanye West now,
you know, one of the things we can't escape
is the fact that he is a genius
who is tormented by his mental health issues.
And now we've gotten to the point where we were saying,
oh, maybe it's not as much of a joke as people liked it to be.
And he's come out and said, hey, I want to to to to to to to to to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk to talk want to get something done with this. In the hip-hop community, it feels like mental health is not something anybody can speak about.
Do you think that's going to change?
I hope so.
I mean, I've been pretty ignorant to mental health as well.
Just being honest, just growing up and my household, you know,
man, I think my parents, my great-grandparents, they went through it all. So, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, when, you, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I tho, I thi, I thin, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I th. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I th. I th. I've, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. th. thin, I'm thin, I'm th. thin, I'm th. th. thin, I mean, I'm th. thin, I mean, I'm th. I'm thin, I'm th. I'm th. thin, you know, when you, you know, saying that somebody is crazy was just a word, you know,
used loosely.
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And mental health is something that nobody, you know, in coming up, when we were coming
up, nobody just looked towards that.
And now, and learning about it, yeah, you can, it's a real, real thing. Well, I just want to say, man, thank you thank thu and thu and thu, thian thian, thian, thian, thian, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, thin, thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and mental, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, it's. And, it's. thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and th. th. th. th. thin, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thing. Well, I just want to say, man, thank you for being on the show. Thank you for making one of my favorite albums of the,
congratulations on the Grammy Nom.
Thank you, thank you.
So good to have you, right?
For real.
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