The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jon Stewart Tackles The Biden - Trump Rematch | Zanny Minton Beddoes
Episode Date: February 13, 2024Jon Stewart kicks off his Daily Show Monday night residency by coming to grips with the reality of America's two chronologically challenged presidential candidates: Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Plus, t...he Best F**king News Team - Ronny Chieng, Desi Lydic, Jordan Klepper, Michael Kosta, and Dulcé Sloan - gauge voter opinions at the nucleus of American politics: a diner. And Editor-in-Chief of The Economist, Zanny Minton Beddoes, joins Jon Stewart to discuss President Joe Biden’s 2nd term potential, the global spread of national conservatism, what former President Donald Trump doesn't understand about the NATO alliance, and the Republican divide over support for Ukraine.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show,
coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls.
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John Stewart. Thank you. Welcome. Welcome to The Daily Show. My name is John Stewart. Now, where was I?
Um, I'm excited to be back. I'm very excited. I'm very excited.
I'm very excited.
I'm very excited.
Good to see you guys. Good to see you guys.
Good to see you guys. Why am I back? You may be asking
yourselves, it's a very reasonable question. I have committed a lot of crimes. From what I
understand, talk show hosts our granted immunity, so it doesn't make a lot of sense, but
take it up with the founders. I don't know. We're going to have so much we're going to talk about this year. Obviously in elections, maybe we'll talk about China, the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. You to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thi to be thi to be to be to be to be thi. You thi. You to be to be to be be be to be be be be be be be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You thi. You their their thi. You their their thi. thi. thi. thi. to be the. toea. toea. thea. thea. thea. toea. toea. toea. the founders. I don't know. We're going to have so much we're going to talk about this year. Obviously in elections, maybe we'll talk about China, maybe we'll
talk about AI, maybe something a little lighter, Israel Palestine. Who knows? But first, the
Super Bowl was yesterday. The gentleman in the crowd who's delighted that the Kansas City
won. It was really sadly a lose-lose for real America. Kansas City Chiefs are world champions which
means the decades-long plot in which Travis and Taylor brainwash America
into getting into getting routine vaccinations is complete. But it was
really kind of a no-win for conservatives. I mean, if the chiefs lost, who wins?
The People's Communist Republic of Gay Pelosi stand.
It's almost like the rights ridiculous obsession with politicizing every aspect of American life,
ruins everything.
But now that it's over nine months till the election people!
And the exciting part is we already know our candidates.
It's drum roll please.
These fucking guys! That's why tonight we're debuting our election coverage.
Indecision 2024, American Democracy!
See, it's a homophone.
We didn't change the sound of the word, but we added a K, which makes it wittier.
How about, indecision about, Indecision 2024!
Electionism!
We changed the one letter.
Are you disappointed yet?
So Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and by the way, this weekend, the big news was the
Special Counsel report on Joe Biden's handling of classified information.
The Special Counsel's report offers scathing details of what it calls his diminished
faculties and faulty memory, writing, if charged, Mr. Biden will likely present himself to the jury, as he did during
his interview with our office, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.
Where did I park those documents?
This guy couldn't remember stuff during his deposition.
Do you understand what that means?
He had no ability to recall very basic things under questioning.
The footage of the president unable to recall simple facts must have been brutal to watch.
James Webb.
I don't remember the news.
I don't remember the news.
I don't remember ever buying something. I don't remember the names.
I don't remember ever buying something for myself.
Do you recall what years you were married to Ms. Maple?
I mean, I don't remember that.
I don't remember that.
As good as my memory is, I don't remember.
So you don't remember saying you have one of the best men? I don't remember. I'm sorry, that's the high functioning candidate from nine years ago,
unable to recall if he has a good memory.
I'm sorry, here's the actual footage.
Who created Trump International Realty?
I don't remember.
I don't remember the email.
I'm just saying I don't remember this.
I just don't seem to recall anything about this.
He actually seemed upset about it.
He actually seemed upset about it. I don't know. Yes, it turns out that the leading
cause of early onset dementia is being deposed. But back to President Biden. Biden was not
about to take the special counsel's characterizations lying down, although chances are
he was lying down when the point is this. To the press counsel's characterizations lying down, although chances are he was lying down when...
The point is this.
To the press conference, Batman!
My memory is fine.
My memory, take a look at what I've done since I become president.
None of you thought I could pass any of the things I got passed.
How does that happen?
I know what the hell I'm doing, I'm president and I put this country back on his feet. Well, no, he did not say that. Okay, I'll be about saying that. Mr. President, let me answer your question.
Many American people have been watching,
and they have expressed concerns about your age.
That is your judgment.
Boom! He took them to the house.
He was all over it.
Joe Biden taking names, kicking ass. Press conference over. You didn't mess up. You didn't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, th. thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Many, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, the the the the the the the the the the the, the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thin, thin, thin, tha, thanks, thanks, thanks, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let ass, press conference over.
You didn't mess up.
You didn't, no, no, no, don't stop.
Wait, hold on, sir, don't, no, you killed this.
Take the W. What are you doing?
Do not go. Allow me to present to you a one-man show about what Joe Biden's advisors were doing
when he turned around and went back to the podium.
The show is called, no! Do not go back! Please, but he went back.
I'm at the view, as you know, that the conduct of the response in the Gaza Strip has been over
the top. Garment...
By the way, the response in Gaza has been over the top.
You know, I like how Biden describes Israel's incessant bombing of civilians
the same way my mother talks about the Super Bowl halftime show.
It was a little much. Did they need to be on roller skates? Whatever happened in music?
You sing the song and people will love it but with the abs and the twirling.
And the hits kept coming.
Initially, the president of Mexico, O'CCE did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian
material to get in.
Now, geography buffs might have noticed.
Gaza and Mexico do not share a border. That Biden was referring to C.C., the president of Egypt, not Mexico.
Unless it was even worse than that and he thinks the president of Mexico is named C.C.
See?
So Joe Biden at a big press conference to dispel the notion that he may have lost a step.
So Joe Biden at a big press conference to dispel the notion that he may have lost a step and
politically speaking lost three to four steps.
But don't worry because they don't need the press conference.
The Super Bowl was on Sunday and the president was offered a chance as per tradition
to do an interview where millions and millions of people could see him competently and clearly lay out his 2024 agenda.
Or he could just turn that down and do what this is.
The Biden Harris campaign joined Tick-Tock over the weekend.
The first video was released during the Super Bowl and it shows President Biden answering
questions related to the big game.
Game or half-time show?
Jason Kelsey? President Biden answering questions related to the big game. Game or halftime show? Game.
Jason Kelsey or Travis Kelsey.
Mama Kelsey, I understand she makes great chalk and chip cookies. Fire everyone.
Everyone.
How do you go on Tick-Tock and end up looking older?
So yes, everyone spent the entire weekend talking about whether the Democratic choice for president is mentally up to the challenge of the world's most demanding job?
So what was his opponent saying this weekend? Democratic choice for president is mentally up to the challenge of the world's most demanding job.
So what was his opponent saying this weekend? We have to win in November or we're not going to have Pennsylvania?
They'll change the name. They're going to change the name of Pennsylvania.
I can't believe I've lived in New Jersey this long and have been mispronouncing Pennsylvania.
Apparently the emphasis is at the end of the life.
Yes, it should be noted while concerns over any president's fitness and acuity are legitimate,
especially those at an advanced age,
Biden's opponent also seems to live at the villages.
So, the question then becomes,
what the f-feeh, are we doing here, people?
Ooh, wait.
No? That's a nice Indecision 2024 title.
Yeah!
Let me tell you something.
Barden's lost the step, but Trump regularly says things at rallies that would warrant a wellness check.
All I know about magnets is this. Give me a glass of water. Let me drop it on the magnets. That's the end of the magnets. I am not a scientist. I'm pretty sure water is not the end of magnets.
I think he may be thinking of cotton candy. Pretty easy to mix those up. It's probably why
the front of his refrigerator is so messy. It's just sticky. Look, look, these mix those up. It's probably why the front of his refrigerator is so messy.
It's just, and sticky and, look, these two candidates,
they're very kind with your enthusiasm.
These two candidates, they are both similarly challenged,
and it is not crazy to think that the oldest people in the history of the country
to ever run for president might have some of these challenges.
Now, Democrats will say that any criticism like this, especially of Biden, is
unfair because you just don't know Biden like they know Biden.
President Biden, who I've been around numerous times just in this last year is
sharp, he's focused, he's bright. He is sharp, intensely prob, and detail-oriented and focused.
This is a man who is sharp, who is on top of his game, who knows what's going on.
He's smart, he's on his game.
I was in almost every meeting with the president, and the president was in front of and
on top of it all, coordinating and directing leaders who are in charge of America's national
security, not to mention our allies around the globe. Did anyone film that?
Because if you're...
If you're telling us behind the scenes he is sharp and full of energy
and on top of it and really in control and leading, you should film that.
That would be good to show to people instead of a Tick Tock.
Where he goes, Jook him chip cookie. We see he's in charge.
You see, I like cookies.
Of course, when it comes to Republicans, they've got a different strategy for their 77-year-old
candidate.
Well, first of all, Donald Trump is not an old man.
He's an old man. He is objectively an old man. He's an old man.
He is objectively an old man on a human scale.
Trump is objectively old.
If he was a tortoise, I would tell him as a tortoise at 77, oh, young man go off and enjoy
college.
But he's not a tourist.
He's not a tortoist.
That is being humantourist. He's not a tortoise. That is not being ageist. That is being human life spanist.
One thing we know for certain is this.
We have two candidates who are chronologically outside the norm
of anyone who has run for the presidency in this country, in the history of this country.
They are the oldest people ever to run for president, breaking
by only four years, the record that they set! The last time they ran. They are at the age.
They are objectively old. They're at the age. There are no more age-related milestones to hit.
They got the ARP card. They've got social security. They've got the age. There are no more age-related milestones to hit. They got the ARP card. They've got Social Security.
They've got their movie discounts. There is no, oh wait till you hit 88, you get to drink and drive.
No!
The only thing left to them is a today show Smuckers shoutout.
You know what? I think we've got a new name for our election coverage. Indecision
2024, Antiques Roadshow.
All right.
Look, here's what I'm going to tell you.
We're not suggesting neither man is vibrant, productive, or even capable.
But they're both stretching the limits of being able to handle the toughest job in the
world.
What's crazy is thinking that we are the ones as voters who must silence concerns and criticisms.
It is the candidate's job to assuage concerns, not the voters' job not to mention them.
And look, I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to be cruel.
I didn't want to have, I didn't want to have to do this on my first day.
Come over here.
Look at me.
Look at me.
Look what time hath wrought.
Look.
Look. Look what time hath wrought. Look, give the kids a tree to the lunar surface here.
Look, look, give the kids a tree to the lunar surface here.
Look at this.
I'm like 20 years younger than these this. This.
Look at this.
They wish.
They wish.
And if you don't
throw
And if you don't,
if you don't,
if you don't,
it's a truth.
And if you think like, oh, 20 years isn't that long, there's a truth.
And if you think like, oh, 20 years isn't that long, this is me 20 years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
And perhaps it was my mistake for sleeping in a meat dehydrator.
Look. And perhaps it was my mistake for sleeping in a meat dehydrator.
Look, Joe Biden isn't Donald Trump. He hasn't been indicted as many times, hasn't had as many fraudulent businesses,
or been convicted in a civil trial for sexual assault, or been ordered to pay defamation
and had his charities disbanded or stiffed a shit-ton of blue-collar tradesmen he'd hired.
Should we even get to the grab the pussy stuff?
Probably not. But the stakes of this election don't make Donald Trump's
opponent less subject to scrutiny.
It actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.
If the barbarians are at the gate, you want Conan standing on the ramparts,
not chocolate chip cookie, guy.
So what's the good news? That was not rhetorical framing.
I'm literally asking you.
Look, the next nine months or so,
and maybe more than that, depending on the coup schedule,
they're gonna suck.
You're gonna be getting emails with insane subject lines like,
Hello, John, it's Chuck Schumer.
Donald Trump is right behind you with a knife.
Don't name.
You're gonna get in date with robo-calls and push-polls.
You're gonna get in-dated with robo-calls and push-polls
and people are gonna tell you to rock the vote and be the vote and vote and vote the vote and finger
bang the vote.
And it's all going to make you feel like Tuesday, November 5th is the only day that matters.
And that day does matter.
But man, November 6th ain't nothing to sneeze at or November 7th. If your guy loses, bad th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is thi is thi is thi is thi thi's thi's to to to to to to tooes, to to too-s, toease toease toease to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, thi. And, thoome. And, thoome. And, thoooooooooooooome.e.e. And, tooome. And, tooome. And, too. And, things might happen, but the country is not over.
And if your guy wins, the country is in no way saved. I've learned one thing over these
last nine years, and I was glib at best and probably dismissive at worst about this. The work
of making this world resemble one that you would prefer to live in is a lunch pale, f-sh-. Day in and day out.
Where thousands of committed,
anonymous, smart, and dedicated people
bang on closed doors and pick up those that are fallen
and grind away on issues
till they get a positive result,
and even then have to stay on to make sure that result holds. So the good news is, I'm not saying you don't have to worry about who wins the elections to live to live to live to live the election to live to live to live to live to live the election to live to live to live to live to live the election to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live to live the the the the the the the the the the the the the the election the election the election the election the election the election the election the election the election the have to stay on to make sure that result holds. So the good
news is I'm not saying you don't have to worry about who wins the election. I'm
saying you have to worry about every day before it and every day after. For ever.
Although, on the plus side I am told that at some point, the sun will run out of hydrogen.
When we come back with that full team coverage, don't go away. Hey everybody, John Stewart here.
I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday.
We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls.
What are they talking about on these earnings calls?
We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches.
I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday?
Listen to the day show?
For the next nine months, the news media is going to be overwhelming wall-to-wall election season coverage with the best fucking news team going.
Where do you start?
We got our very own Desi Lydick and Michael Pasta.
Dessie, welcome, Michael welcome.
Desi, I'll start with you.
Where are you going to be reporting from this election season?
John, I'm going to be spending the next nine months here in a Michigan diner because diners are where real Americans eat.
The people are gritty, the menus are sticky, and the chickens have fingers.
And I'll be in the same diner as Desi, but the realer part of the diner, not the booth section
with all the coastal elite Democrats and their fancy back support.
I'll be spending the campaign at the counter with the Trump voters because realer Americans want to sit at the bar stool on their coats.
John?
Michael, what are true voters think about this election? Oh, they're excited for president Trump to win the presidency a third time and enact his agenda?
Are they talking about the border wall tariffs?
That's what they're excited for?
No, I would say the vengeance.
Total and utter vengeance.
One woman I met, Irene, retired nurse,
she said that she hopes that Trump will,
quote, split the skies and rain fire upon the states of blue.
His terrible blade sundering his enemies
until nature herself bows before his dominion
and his name is carved upon the moon."
End quote.
They're also enthusiasm on the Democratic side, doesn't it?
Oh, oh, the Democrats are pumped for Joe Biden.
Whether it's this Joe Biden, or maybe someone else who changes their name to Joe Biden.
Point is, everyone's excited and no one's crying in the bathroom.
It sounds like things are going very well, and we'll certainly be keeping...
Uh-huh! John! It's Dose Sloan, everybody!
Don't say that. It's Dose Sloan, everybody. It's like...
It looks like it looks like you're outside.
Why aren't you inside the diner asking people what they think?
I know what they think.
It's what everybody thinks.
This is the same shit all over again.
It's just a reboot.
We need more than just the same show with an older yet familiar face.
You mean, you, you talked to the two candidates. You're talking to the two candidates. You're talking about the...
Yeah! Yeah... Yeah!
Yeah, I mean I already had this job.
Now these old white dudes got a comeback and reclaim it, like, come on, sir, go do something new.
We're so desperate.
Like, let someone else run the show
we're talking about the election right I said what I said John, John, I disagree.
You won't find a single Republican who will say they don't want to vote for Trump.
Now, is that because they're afraid of being murdered by other Trump voters?
Yes, but being afraid is a form of excitement.
Yeah.
Same here, John.
The Democrats here can't wait to show their
Joe Biden support with these great campaign shirts. That's... Desi, his name is
Velcroat on that shirt. No. Yeah, no, what's underneath the name? Desi, what...
What?
What?
What?
they.
So they're counting on Taylor Swift to jump into the race.
Oh my god, no, no, why has she said something to you?
No, listen guys, thank you so much.
It's going to be a great camp, Payne, is that Ronnie Chang behind you, Debbie?
Oh, what the one that's going to be out on the campaign trail?
What are you got?
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What do you got?
I got potato skins, John.
That's what I like them do.
They're frozen in the middle.
Back to you, John.
Ronnie, what about the people now?
Don't encourage this behavior. What about the people there, Ronnie, what are their now? Don't encourage this behavior.
What about the people there, Ronnie, what are their beliefs?
Their positions?
Are you the fucking talking about?
The position...
The position is harsh over that place eating.
This is a diner, okay?
People come here to eat and sometimes take a quick bath in the sink.
Don't take a quick bath in the sink.
You know what, Ronnie?
Get back over here. Don't you walk away, Ronnie. You are there to get a story. Ask someone a question.
All right.
Is it, anyone want those fries?
Larry Chang, everybody. Give it up one more time.
For the best fucking news team.
You know something?
If I can say just this one thing, when you consider the election...
Bravo, John.
Bravo, John.
Braf, fricking, oh.
Well, well, well, it's Jordan Clepper, everybody.
I didn't see you there. He must have snuck up.
Shouldn't you be out somewhere talking to insurrectionists in a parking lot?
Oh, biting, John, biting. You must be so proud of yourself with all these little satirical bits, exposing the absurdity. Out somewhere talking to insurrectionists in a parking lot. Oh Biting John biting
You must be so proud of yourself all these little satirical bits exposing the absurdities of our political process
I mean it was fun. We had a fun day. We had fun making this stuff up. Oh, I bet it was. Did you save democracy yet?
No, I didn't. Did you're your 90s brand of snark and both ciderism? Oh George Bush is dumb. Al Gore so boring. Wow, searing, John.
I wasn't really trying to save democracy. I was just trying to...
All you do is brainwash voters into accepting a corrosive status quo when they could be out marching
in the streets to affect change. Frankly, you discuss me.
I can tell that from the tone of your voice.
On there, but you know, Jordan, I'm here like once a week.
Like, seriously, what do you want for me?
It's like more days.
Wait, you're only here once a week?
Who's hosting the show the other day is the week?
The news team, Jordan. In fact, you're the host this whole week after I leave, Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday, that's you.
It's great having you back, buddy.
I gotta tell you that.
This is gonna be so much fun. What we're doing here is important, John.
I can't wait to change the world with you, my friend. Thanks very much. Really nice. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. We, the. Wee. Wea. Wea, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, thu. Wee. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. T can't wait to change the world with you, my friend. Thanks very much.
Really nice to see you.
Thank you, good to see you.
When we come back, we'll be joined by Zanni, Minton Meadows.
Don't go away.
Nice job.
You guys.
Good.
Good.
John Stewart here, unbelievably exciting news.
My new podcast, The Weekly Show.
We're going to be talking about the election, economics, ingredient to bread ratio, on sandwiches.
Listen to the Daily Show?
She's the editor-in-chief of the Economist.
Please welcome to the program, Zanni Minton Bedos.
Wee!
Oh, lovely to see you. The chairs move.
I hope you're all right.
I'm all right.
When I was here nine years ago, we almost killed Jimmy Carter with the rolling chair.
It almost went all the way back.
It swivel. We have the economy. This is your magazine. We have it.
We brought it with us. I don't know if you can see that there. We're out there. And it's got a post it this tho' thirty. And it's th. It's th. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to their it's to to their it's to to their it's their it's their it's, it's, it's their, it's their, it's the economy, this is your magazine, we have it. We brought it with us. I don't know if you can see that there. We're out there. And it's got a posted note in there for...
What, the right page? I have no idea why there's a posting note in there. I thought there
was a centerfold that wasn't there. I don't know what was that. Well, we're very much appreciated. I wanted to ask you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to ask, you, to ask, to ask, to ask, to ask, to ask, the to ask, the the the the the the the the the the right, I the right, I the right, I've the right, what, I've the right, I've the right, I've the right, what, what, what, I the right, I the right, I the right, I the right, I the right, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the, I that, I that, I want, I want that, I want that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the right, I've the right, I the the economist wrote about some of Joe Biden's issues a year ago. You
wrote, is he going to be up for the job in the second term? What were the concerns
that you guys had that? So we wrote after the midterms that he should not stand for a
second term. And you know he when he came in it was he was hoping to be, he
he said pretty much that
he wanted to be a one-term president.
He was a grown-up, he would save the country from Donald Trump.
He was the bridge, Canada.
He was the bridge, he didn't say which bridge.
It wasn't the Williamsburg, it was one-trivide.
It was a bridge to be a one-term president, he would have
been a remarkable one-term president.
He's achieved an unbelievable amount for one-term.
But now we are where we are here, and huge majorities of the American people, including huge
majorities of Democrats, think he is a frail 81-year-old.
You said that like Baltimore, you said the return.
The return of Donald Trump?
Look, it really worries me.
And it may be a little weird, but for those of us outside the U.S.
Oh, couldn't they say though? If you say I had a remarkable first term, what's to say I won't have a remarkable second
term?
He's 81 years old.
What?
You know?
He's the same age pretty much as my father.
I love my father dearly.
My father's a wonderful man, but my father should be nowhere near the most important job
in the world.
He probably never should have been.
Eigh-dusts.
He doesn't watch.
He's, he. 81 year old. He doesn't watch this thing, does he? Does he watch? How many?
This may be, this may be a little explanation we'll have to go on later.
But he, you know, an 81 year old, you know what they're like at 81, you know what they're going to be like at 85.
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got a long time still.
It's pretty interesting.
But let me ask you, so there is obviously a press pool, there's a White House press corps.
There's a certain amount of mystery that seems to surround this.
All the people behind the scenes are saying, you don't know like we know, he's leading these meetings, he's unbelievable, you, I wish you could see it, but certainly there are press people that travel with the president. Surely I have
not seen people come out with first-hand accounts. They have not come out and said,
founding along Air Force World Topps meeting. Right, or just said, I follow
the president, I'm with him every day, he is unbelievably sharp, he's just camera shy or whatever it is, but nobody is making those. It makes it seem conspiratorial.
Yeah, and I think what is clear is that it is quite hard to get access to this president.
He is very carefully shepherded around.
He doesn't do very many press conferences. He doesn't do very many interviews.
I assume that's for a reason. And I hear the same thing. He's very sharp. He talks for a long time. He can ta' tasks for a long long long long long long long long long long long long the talks the talks the talks for a long the can't the can't the can't the can't thea the thea thea to talk the to talk to talk to talk to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the too. too. too. to to to. I'm perfectly prepared to believe that on some subjects that's true.
Joe Biden knows a huge amount of that foreign policy.
He is exactly the right person to have in the Oval Office,
in the world as it is we have today.
And I'm sure on certain things, he can go for hours and hours.
He can probably be in negotiations for two terms, I think it's worrying. Now when you say, one term, one time, yeah.
The world order is changing.
And there is a part, you know, the economist is certainly, you know, it does represent
a certain mainstream point of view or establishment.
Well actually, interestingly, we stand for good classic English liberalism.
It's not the same as an American liberal, which is more of a lefty. Well, actually, interestingly, we stand for good classic English liberalism.
It's not the same as an American liberal, which is more of a lefty, but the English liberalism...
Am I going to get tested on this?
No, no, I'm going to start with a little lesson in a minute.
No, we believe in individual freedom, free markets, limited government.
We've kind of believed in that for a long time, you're right. the view, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi. to to to to to to too-a, too-a, too-a, toe. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to. to, too, thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the too. too. too. too. too, to our view was the kind of mainstream view. You know, Reaganism, Fatcherism, even Clintonism, you know, it wasn't too far apart, that
was the mainstream view.
But now we're absolutely not the mainstream view.
Now, you know, I should have said establishment.
I think it's more the status quo.
We're absolutely not the establishment. Now industrial policies in, big state is in, protectionism, all all, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, the, the, they. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, we're not tho, we're tho, we're, we're, we're, th. We're, th. We're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, th. We's is, we's is, we's is, th. We's is, th. We's is, th. We's is, th. We's, thi. We's, they. We're, they. the. thean. thean. thatean. thatean. thatea. thateats. thateats. thatea. thooooooo. thea, we're not things that we traditionally didn't believe in. And so our kind of liberalism I think is very much not the mainstream view now and we're
championing liberalism in the face actually of pretty concerted resistance to
it and people going in different directions. So the whole kind of
Trumpist assault if you will. This there's an, in fact our cover, this this to'c-to'c-triv-coveri. this this this this this this th. this certainly unless something dramatic happens, which is about national conservatism.
This idea which the Maga Republicans have, but also a bunch of conservatives in Europe,
Victor Orba and Georgia Maloney in Italy, Marine Le Pen in France.
There are differences between them, but they're united by an idea that they want to be anti-globalist,
they're anti-trade, they're very skeptical of migration, they want to push back against what they
see as progressive, woke ideology. Would you say this is perhaps a new world order
that they are to go there? They would love that. Oh no, they're the ones who
always talk about how there's arying to create it. They're shifting. There was an old paradigm, right? Which was America post-war aligned itself with liberal Europe against
communism. That was the stability of the world since World War II was capitalism versus
communism. It looks like there appears to be a realignment along the lines of not
capitalism and communism,
but woke and unwoke. And I know that sounds ridiculous, but it is what ties Putin to Trump and Orban to Trump.
If you listen to Putin, when he talks about Orthodox Christianity and Western society and anti-gay rhetoric,
he sounds like a AM radio host.
Absolutely, and there are people in the Republican Party now who
wore more to Putin than to Ukraine for example. So I think you're right.
Well I think all of them. No, not all of them. Well Mitch McConnell but he just
stops working every now. No, I think there's a really serious point. There's a complete, you know, one way of thinking about it is a magga takeover the Republican
Party, but another, I think there's something more profound going on, which is there is
potentially a kind of revolution and a conservatism, which may end up being as big as the
kind of Factorite-Reaganite revolution, which is the completely different direction,
which is not different direction. No, it's a populism and a nativism, but it's combined with this anti-wokeism that almost
seems to be the more powerful unifying theory than it is.
It used to be economic theories and now it's theories of social culture issues.
Identity, social culture.
Absolutely. No, I think there is, that's definitely a fault line and the people you cite are definitely on one side of it. Whether, th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thiom-a, thiom-a, thiom-a, thioan thiomo- thiomo- thiom-a, thiom-a, thism, thism, thism, thiomomomomomomomomomomomom, thiom, thiom, thiom, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiauiauiauia' thiauia' thiauiaa' thiaa thioanananananananan is that's definitely a fault line and the people use
site are definitely on one side of it. Whether it's a new world order yet, I don't know. We did not talk about NATO. Donald Trump very famously came out and said I would encourage Russia,
this was years ago to attack them so that they would pay their bills as though the value of NATO is in what they can contribute financially. What is your thought? He sounded like th the the the the their their their their their they they their they they they their they they they they to to their their their their to to their their to their to to to to to to to to attack their to to to to to to to to to to to their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their their. their. their their. their their. their. their their. th. th. their. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. thooo. thooo. the. th. the. their the. their their their their their their their. the value of NATO is in what they can contribute financially. What is your thought about that?
He sounded like the mobster, right?
They got to pay.
They've got to pay.
That's right.
Donald Trump doesn't, I think, understand what collective security is about.
Like, the NATO is basically, if you attack the smallest NATO, you're attacking America.
That basic deal was understood by the Soviet Union and then by Russia. That's why we haven't had an attack on NATO.
I think that is undermined by him basically saying it's a protectionist racket, which is what
he – so I don't think Donald Trump cares about alliances, but the reason it's so disconcerting
and worrying if you're in Europe right now is this is happening at a time when Vladimir
Putin has already done a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, he is re-arming much faster than Europe.
Europe is a fundamentally more dangerous place.
So even with Donald Trump nowhere near the White House yet, him saying it right now is destabilizing.
It makes it much more likely that Putin, an aggressive dictator, you know, it pushes
further. And at the same time, you have this aid for Ukraine held up here in this country. And to be clear, aiding thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia thuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-a the thu-a thu-a their thu-in thu-in thu-in thu-n, thu-n, thu-n, thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi-n. te-n. te-n. te. te. te. te. te. teuu. teuu. teuu. teu. teu. teu. teu. te. te. te. tthe same time you have this aid for Ukraine held up here in this country.
And to be clear, aiding Ukraine, giving the money to Ukraine is the cheapest possible way for
the US to enhance its security. It's just, it's absolutely, the fighting is being done by the
Ukrainians, they're the people who are being killed, the US and Europe are supplying them weapons
and in doing so we are pushing back against Putin. I mean, I've been to Kiev twice and lived there 30 years ago and you can't go there and
not think this is a European country that is looking westward and for the US to abandon
it now if it does, it's almost jaw-dropping.
The unfortunate part for Ukraine seems to be that it also holds a place in our culture
war.
I don't think there's any principled opposition from the right in terms of sending arms.
There might be in terms of the amount or the money or some of those things.
I think they're really caught in the idea that Putin and Orban and that illiberal order are their natural allies. And so Ukraine, they have to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint the to paint the the their to paint their to paint their to paint their to paint their their to paint their to paint to paint their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to paint to paint to paint to paint to paint toa., toa., their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the are their natural allies. And so Ukraine
they have to paint that as nazified or utterly corrupt as though Russia is
somehow fundamentally you know just this unbelievable Valhalla, but I think that's where I think that's why you can if if I think that's true
Somewhere else Ukraine happens to hold a very strange place in this whole
Barisma, Hunter Biden, illiberal like exactly Donald Trump doesn't like Volomirozvsky because of the whole issue around the first impeachment and
all of that stuff. That's right. It was a perfect. he holds grudges and he doesn't like Zelensky and he likes Putin because
Putin's tough.
That's right.
Then I think there are a bunch of Republicans who are genuine, what you might call old-fashioned
isolationists who just don't think the kind of US should be involved in
this stuff. Then there's a bunch of thiiiii, the the the the the the their, the the their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is a thi, is a thi, is a thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.. thiii. And, thi, thi, thi perfectly reasonable concerns about whether the money is being well spent, corruption in Ukraine.
There is plenty of corruption in Ukraine, whether it's all well spent.
And then I think you're right, there are these, and let's call them the Tucker Carlson
Republicans, who kind of have a sense that there is somehow the U.S.
Putin is the hero and Ukraine is the villain, which is sort of hard to get your head around, but
that does seem to be what they think.
And I do think that's the world order that they would be pushing towards.
But this gets back to journalists.
In this country, it's all about the money and there's very little talk about even, even
after September 11, when Article 5 was the defense of the United States.
And yet it really does boil down to, oh is this just a financial transaction gone awry or
is this the valuable alliance that's kind of held together the world order?
And which by the way though, we have to be able to criticize what it did in Iraq and all these other things. But if we can't talk honestly about it, we end up shutting down all the
conversation. Of course, I think there is discussion about, I mean NATO
most of the time for most Americans is not something that's probably top of
mind, but I think there is a kind of reasonable. I have not been to a party where it's not the first thing people thi. You people people people people thi. You people thi. You people thi. You people thi. You people thi. You people thi. You thi. You are are thi. You are thi. You are thi. You are thi. thi. their thi. their is is their is their is their is thi. their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi thi th in, it's a little NATO talk, and then a kegstand. Thank you very much for being here. It's really fantastic. Ladies and gentlemen,
Danny Vincent Voters and the Economist. Take a quick break. We'll be right back after
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