The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Killer Mike Sweeps the Grammys with "Michael"| Cord Jefferson Unpacks "American Fiction"

Episode Date: February 18, 2024

Host Jordan Klepper chats with rapper Killer Mike about his recent sweep at the 2024 Grammys for his album "Michael," how working on this project brought him closer to God, and his efforts to encourag...e activists to take action in their communities. Plus, writer and director Cord Jefferson joins Klepper to discuss the success of his film, "American Fiction," and the power of leaning into art that makes us uncomfortable. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:34 Getsch tonight is a Grammy Award-winning rapper whose latest album is called Michael. Welcome back to this daily show. My guest tonight is a Grammy award-winning rapper whose latest album is called Michael. Please welcome Killer Mike. Sir, congrats first on sweeping all of the major rap categories at the Grammy's. Sir, congrats first on sweeping all of the major rap categories at the Grammys. Now, I'm sure you can't talk about what else happened there, but... But I did sweep them like a new room in your grandma's living room. That's what it's there for. Grandma has it out to sweep up all those Grammys.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Shots out to Betty, man. That's the piece to my girl. Well, I have to ask the big question, though. The big question everybody had after the Grammys, did Taylor Snub Seline? Shouts out to Taylor, man. She, God damn, she wanted to Grammys. Her boyfriend, one the game. Is that what power gives you right now? You feel like you can throw off polygamy right now? I feel I can pull it off.
Starting point is 00:01:49 The only problem is my wife's good with a gun, she doesn't agree. But I'll keep trying for all the thrike. Okay, that's good. Yeah, I'm gonna say, you see what, whatever whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, what, what, what, you, you, what, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, the, the, the, the, mean, you are on quite the streak. I mean, as well as winning the Grammys, your son after a three-year, three-year search for a kidney, just got a kidney. My pony boy got his kidney. I had a talk with him about his kidney like you do a puppy. I had a talk with him about his kidney, like you know what he said. Like this is your fiddinty, this, this is like, this is your kidney, this is your kidney, this is your kidney, this is your kidney, this is your kidney, this is your kidney, you, thian kidney, you, thirty, thirty, you, thirty, thirty, you, you, thirty, he, he's, he's, he's, he's a thirty, thirty, thirty, he's a thirty, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, thia, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the the the the, the thirty, thirty, thirty, thi, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, you're a thirty, you're a thirty, you're a thirty, you're thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, you're gonna take care of it, marijuana, alcohol, no. But his nurses,
Starting point is 00:02:29 we were sitting there as a nurses were telling us and I was like, God damn, this was a lot for a 21-year-old kid to be taking on, but my kids are a warrior man. I just got to tell him he's my hero. That's what about it. I mean, frankly, it is legitimately wonderful to hear good news happening to a good person. Thank you so much. What genie lamp did you rub? What is the, what do you owe your success to? I owe it to the fact that I was just too stubborn to give up.
Starting point is 00:02:55 My manager, Will Bronson, and my A&R, because we're all friends, but we have a just saying, just get up every day, put one foot in front of the other, so the the other, so, so, so, so, the the the the the the the the the, so, so, so, so, so, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I, I, and, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, and, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, somea, somea, and, and, and, somea.a.a.a.a. And, and, and, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and we have it just saying, just get up every day, put one foot in front of the other. So I have a lot of talent, but it took me 20 years to get here, and I was just too stubborn to quit. And I think that that's half the battle, just being tenacious about it. And I want to take time to honestly, thank my children, my children, tho, the children, the children, their, their, their, because, their, their, their, because, their, their, their, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I've today, and I'm, and I'm, and I've too, and I'm just. too, and I'm too, and I'm too, and I'm too, and I'm too, and I'm too, and I'm too, and I's too, and I's too, and I's too, and I's is. And, and I's is. And, and I's is. And, and I's is. And, and I's. And, and I's. And, and I's. And, and I's. And, and to, and I's. And, and to. to. to. toe. toe. tooe. too. tooe. tooe. tooe. tooe. tooe quality time, but the quantity of time has been cut short. So Malik, Anaya, Pony Boy, Mikey, just thank you guys so much for allowing dad to do this. You know? I love it.
Starting point is 00:03:32 I love it. You've been at this for a long time. And you famously said, like, don't give up. You never too old. You're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to to to to, to to, to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. tho. tho. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha, tha, tha, too old. You're never too old. I'm 45. Well, could I, could I win a best rap album? As long as you got a hairling and you do. And there we go. Thank you. That's happened. It's creeping. It's creeping. It looks great though. You're on it. Maybe we're too old for porn. But rap we got. We're sent for rap. There was never an age where it would have been an age. It. It. It. It was never, you know, at 18 years old, listening to Luke and the two live crew, we could throw that dick. That was the error, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:04:10 I would talk a little bit about your album. Yes. A personal album, but I want to also look at like, you reference to Satan big part of this album. Yeah. We're an interesting time right now. Yeah. People seem to be moving away from spirituality. Yeah. And yet it feels like you infuse a lot of your work into it. I know you have a lot of respect for the craft of hip-hop, of rap? Do you feel like that can serve as a conduit for people who are looking for spirituality, who are looking for something? What do you see that role? I came out a rap album called rap music 12 years ago and it was you know it was entitled rebellious African at me be me and in people's music for all the people and at that time I realized that the only religious experiences I'd really had
Starting point is 00:04:57 were when I listened to or was a part of music and music is a very big part of the church. I'm a southern black man I grew up in Baptist and Pentecostal churches so so so th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thu. thu. thu. thu. Music thu-a. Music thu-a. Music thu-a. Music th. Music was a music thi. Music was a music thi. I was a the the thi. I was a tha. I was tha. I was tha. I was. I was their. I was. I was tha. I was. I was. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I was t. I'm t. I'm the t. I'm t. I'm te. I'm tm. I'm tm. I'm tm. I'm te. I'm today. te. today. today. today. te. I'm te. I'm the church. I'm a southern black man. I grew up in Baptists and Pentecostal churches. So music was a conduit to put everybody in the room on the same frequency and the same energy. So I actually believe that people aren't away from spirituality as much as they're running from the institutions that promise them spirituality and just deliver things like give us money or we need tithing. I think think think think th think that they're trying to find God and spirituality but they're finding it in places you wouldn't regularly find it. They're finding commuting with one another. They're finding it away from church and out in nature and not that nature becomes their God as much as it's a lot easier to talk to God when you're standing under a tree smoking tree. the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. And. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. I. I. I. I's. And their. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And, the. And, the. And the. And the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. And. And. And.'s a lot easier to talk to God when you're standing under a tree smoking a joint.
Starting point is 00:05:45 You know? He's closer that way, right? Yeah, I was, you know, I won't talk about my thing, but I was sitting in a jail cell and I didn't have anything to do. So I just prayed. And I just thank you to thank to the God the God the God the God the, and was like, I hope you guys see me. Not the jail part, but the winning part. And after I got out the next morning, I got a call and my son and got a kidney.
Starting point is 00:06:10 So I'm very much a more a believer. I have a white manager. Will's a white guy. And he said, shit, for 15 years. Making this album brought me closer to God. It brought me closer to the grand being that is designed human beings to be here. So I'm thankful that music brings me closer to my creator. Well said, well said. Well said. Well said, it's interesting you talk about it like that.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Because I do think I spend a lot of time out in the world. Yeah. I go to a lot of rallies, talk to a lot of people. And it's very easy to otherize the MAGA crew, the Trump crew, whatever side you're in, I think we are, we're on a search for something that makes us feel whole, makes us feel part of a community, and gives us a sense of meaning. And I think without that in our lives,
Starting point is 00:06:57 we replace it with the quickest, So finding a conduit for potential good, I think, is remarkable and to be commended. So kudos on that. Thank you. Tell me this. I'm also a big fan of Run the Jules. Yes. I love Run the Jules. Listen, man, they, I felt like Run the Jules got snubbed a few years ago and one of the best parts about being one half of, to me, the greatest rap group, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to me the greatest rap group going today is the fact that this album Michael also brought
Starting point is 00:07:25 LP his first Grammy. So shots out and congratulations to my partner Ryan L.P. Give it up to L.P. I'm curious. Actually, what is fun as a fan of yours and a fan of LPs, you hear your influences and what you bring to a Run the Jules project. I think when you are marinating on Michael and sitting down thinking about what the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the th. I, to to to to to the, to to the, to to to the, the, to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to toe, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, tock, tock, tock. So. So. So. So. So, congratulations. So, congratulations. So, congratulations. So, congratulations. So, congratulations. So, to c. So, to c. So, to c. So, to c. So, to c. So, to, to, to, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, the the the too, too, too, too, too, too, is.yyymy. Some. So, is. So, is, is, is, is, is. So, is. So, is. So, some. So, some. Some. So bring to a Run the Jewels project. I think when you are marinating on Michael and sitting down thinking about what is a Run the Jewels project and what is a Killer Mike project, how do you delineate the tool?
Starting point is 00:07:51 Well, it's all the same. So, not that it's the same sound, the same thing. But, so imagine Run So, so run the jewels is done, Kany X Men. There's a lot of characters come in and out, rest and peace the gangster boozez. Act Dayloroka, you know, Mavis Staples, Josh Hymie, all these people have come in. And what we have there there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, the they, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they, th. th, they, who tho, who tho, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who, who, who, who wo, who wo, who, who, who, who wo, who, who wo, who wo, who wo, who, who th, who th, who th, who th, who th, who th, who th, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who, who th. Who th. Who th. Who th. Who tho, who tho, who wo, who wo, who wouldn't wo, who wouldn't wo, who wouldn't wo, who wo, who wouldn't wo, who wo, who wo, who wo, who prequel story to one half of the group Run the Jewels. So Michael is an extension of the Run the Jew's world and you get to see the reason why I rap about my mother and Run the Jewels. You get to hear the whole story on Michael. So imagine Logan to Wolverine and that's what this is. So this is an extension of Run the the Jules. That's that. So th. So th. So th. So th. So th. So th. So thus. So thus is an ex. So thus is an ex. thus is an extension. the the thus is an extension. the thus is an extension. the thus is an extension. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thu. thrunn. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. to. to. to. the the the the the the the the the sound. I want to switch gears a little bit.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I will say, I re-watched it recently. After the George Floyd murder, you made an impromptu press conference in Atlanta. You were asked to make a press conference. Which I think is, if you haven't seen it, I think, is not only the clarity of it, the catharsis within it and the call to action I think is is a pretty remarkable moment over the last decade. Thank you. Something you said you said there resonated with so many people you asked people at a time of unrest yeah you said to focus on to to plot plan, strategize optimize, optimize, organize, and mobilize, and mobilize.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Absolutely. We're on that process right now. Yes. I know you were talking specifically about police brutality. Yes. Here we are three and a half years later. Yeah. Where are we on that?
Starting point is 00:09:36 How are you seeing that process unfold? Well, I'll tell you this. What I was saying that night because there's a lot of misconstruing and just I mean to be honest people be lying they do right so people have agenda I know you know some people are like you were defending the cops and crying I'm like no it's not what I was doing I was actually smoking blunts with Noriega eating fish sandwich just try not to go and that's Noriega the rapper yeah no yeah yeah shots out the nor you guys I said the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I was I was I was I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I was I was I was I I I was I I I I I I I I I I was I I was I was I I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toy. the tra. tra. try. truth I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the out the north. And my friend T. I said, hey, the mayor called me. There's some unrest. I was like, she never called me.
Starting point is 00:10:08 And he was like an hour after asking for about an hour. He says, well, if you're not going to go, I'm not going to go. And everybody knows the rap rules. You can't leave your homies down. So I went with them. with a quarter pound of marijuana, a little stoned. A quarter pound? I mean, I had just scored. And I, um, how long does that last? About a couple weeks, maybe. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:29 So I'm there and I'm just like, okay, and I see our mayor who's also from me and T.I. 's neighborhood and she's doing a dynamic job of telling the police, hold off. Don't, don't make a move. We're going to talk. We're going to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to talk. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. tha. to. toooooooooooooooooooo. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. okay, I stood in solidarity with my homie. And then he's like, and now kill a mic and I'm like, oh shit. And I just simply told the truth. And the truth is, what happened to George Floyd was a murder, it was evil, it was wrong. The truth is also that Atlanta has long been a fortress that people could use the plot, plan, strategize, organize, and mobilize. So ultimately, all I was saying in that speech was, use your homes, use your businesses, use your churches as centers to welcome people in and plan, plot out, what are we going to do next? Strategize, organized and mobilize and then do the next thing. I challenged them and my city stepped up. What I'm seeing in Atlanta now is organizers
Starting point is 00:11:25 be supported. I'm seeing more organizers come out. My man Roe it down there just gave an amazing speech yesterday, shots out to him. He's an Indian-American guy. He's in Atlanta. He's organizing constantly. We're organizing around the vote. I saw Atlanans really welcome other people in to try to push back against the powers that be. That's what my city's always done. That's what we're doing now and that's what I think we'll do going forward. We don't, organizers do not have to agree with each other. We do not have to agree with it, but what we must start to agree with it is that there's a problem to be solved and if we waste too much time in fighting the run this country. Teller Mike, everyone.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Hey, everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient-to-bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. My guest is a director and Emmy winning writer whose film American Fiction is currently nominated for five Academy Awards.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Please welcome Cor. Jefferson. Lord. Wow, thank you. Wow, feature film debut and you get five Academy Award nominations. I'm curious how you're feeling about it and how you're wielding that strength now. I'm not wielding it too much, unfortunately. I probably should be more demanding, yeah, but I'm not. I'm, uh, I feel a little overwhelmed, you know, it is, we made this movie with very little money and very little time. We didn't make it under these great auspices and so to be here right now, sitting with you is beyond my wildest dream.
Starting point is 00:13:36 This must be your highlight. Yeah, man. This is crazy. You know, I don't really get nervous in interviews anymore but I'm pretty nervous here right now. The Daily Show's a big deal. Yeah nothing to be nervous about. All right so I want to talk Palestine. Okay, that's great. Everybody get out your phones. There you go.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Start putting this on the internet. I'm happy to do it. My public is gonna love this. Like let's get into this. Well I mean this this on the internet. I'm happy to do it. My public is going to love this. They're like, let's get into this. I mean, this movie, it causes a ton of conversations. It feels very of the now. And when I watched this, I think what I was surprised to find out, that it's based on a book from 20 years ago, right? that made you want to tell this story now. Oh my God, man. So three months before I found this novel, Erasure by Percival Everett, that I adapted, I sent in a script to some executives and they sent me back a note that a character and
Starting point is 00:14:32 had a blacker. And I said, I sort of, I said, I will indulge this note, if whoever gave it, is willing to sit down with me and tell me what me the the the the the th me the th me th me th me th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th. thin, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, sent, thi, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to sit down with me and tell me what it means to be blacker. Tell me how to make somebody blacker. And of course that no went away because they probably knew they were setting themselves up for a huge civil rights lawsuit and so they dropped it. And you know, but that was just one of the many instances in my TV and film writing career where it's like people just have this very limited perspective of what it means to be a black, what it means to be a black writer, they have a very limited perspective of what black stories look like, what black life looks like, and so when I read this book that was published in 2001, but it felt like it was written
Starting point is 00:15:14 yesterday, yeah, I just, I was so overcome with sort of this idea that it felt like it was written specifically for me, I just understood the characters so well. I I I I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, yeah th, yeah thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theeeeean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, theeeeeeeeeee, the characters so well. Yeah I think one of the targets of this film is white liberal audiences. And first off how dare you? Do you get exhausted talking to white liberals about this movie and having to explain race to them over and over again? To be like what is the deal with race in America? Um, no actually I mean I mean I mean maybe a little bit but I've set myself up for this this is like this is what this is what th. th. th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the the the. the. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. a little bit, but I've set myself up for this. This is like, this is what I, this is the work that I put into the world, so I'm happy to chat about it.
Starting point is 00:15:49 I mean, I think what's interesting about this movie too is that it's not only, it's a satire, it's a political satire, but it's also really heartfelt. struggles that they have. Why was that important for you to tell and to marry with it? It seems like that's those don't always go together when you see satirical films. Yeah, and that's, you know, I wanted the movie to be satirical but never farcical. And so sort of the clip that you played right there I think is more is one of the grounding moments of the film. I always wanted to feel, because I feel like when satire gets kind of slapsticky, it sort of lets people off the hook. It sort of like says like this entire thing's a joke that you can laugh at. You don't need to take it seriously.
Starting point is 00:16:32 And I think that this movie sort of makes some people uncomfortable sometimes and I'm okay with that. I think that every ti that that that that that that that's that's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, their thi, is thi, is thi, is their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thauuuu. thaui. thauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuui, thaui, th think that sort of wisdom is on the other side of that discomfort. Well, I want to talk a little bit about the ending. I don't want to give it away, but this movie ends and you sort of, there's a meta-ending. And I wonder if that comes out of network notes, wanting you to end it or wanting to end it in a way that leaves people with their own ways in which they can end the story? Like how did you approach wrapping this thing up? Yeah, so the novel that I adapted is very metatextual. It's sort of, and the epilogue of the novel is this Latin phrase is this Latin phrase
Starting point is 00:17:16 is this Latin phrase that phrase that that meant that it was great Hollywood ending. Just a Latin of Latin phrase that used with mathematics. People love that. Gotcha baby. I love that ending and the ending to seven. My two favorite endings. Huge Hollywood ending. Yeah. And so and so I didn't want the ending.
Starting point is 00:17:33 And so I didn't want the ending to be did. the ending to figure out what the ending was going to be, and one of the producers called me and said, the movie's a big swing. Try to write an ending that feels like a big swing too, because I was kind of stuck as to what the ending would be. And so I wrote an ending that feels as audacious as the rest of the movie. And yeah, I think that I didn offers you an opportunity to think for yourself and decide how you want to think about things. I mean I do think this movie also asks a lot of questions about about what Hollywood wants in movies from black filmmakers and what a white audience will respond to.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah. And you make this film. Yeah. And then a primarily white Oscar public is like we love this film. And I wonder how you, is that a sweet revenge? Is that an extension of the meta story that you're telling? It feels like there's a conversation about people enjoying your film that's already happening within your film. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, it is, I'm basically slowly cosplaying as Jeffrey Wright. I'm looking at myself right now and I'm becoming Jeffrey Wright.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Yeah, do you normally wear these glasses? Those are Jeffrey Wright glasses? This is a Jeffrey Wright suit. I'm going gray like Jeffrey Wright. So it's getting more and more. I'll tell you how it's got it. It's gotten. The other day, Percivill Everett, the author a true story and somebody asked him if he was Jeffrey Wright. And he said, no I'm not Jeffrey Wright, but I wrote the book that
Starting point is 00:19:06 Jeffrey Wright is now in the movie based on. So it is all, it is all, you know, I like to maybe think that maybe this will all be, maybe after the Oscars I'll reveal that I'm a white guy. And nobody will know. You guys don't know. I've you you guys you you guys you guys you guys th you th you th you guys th you guys th you guys th you guys th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho. I tho. I tho tho tho tho the tho the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi. I thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I th. I th. I th. I maybe, I tell you what, maybe I've been in Blackface this whole time and it's just a big trip. God damn, I love it. That would supersede the ending of seven for me, so I would appreciate if you did that. I'm just Toby McGuire. People don't know that.
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