The Daily Show: Ears Edition - NYC's Corruption Scandal, Leslie Jones on Europe | Susanna Fogel’s “Winner”
Episode Date: September 27, 2024Desi Lydic breaks down NYC Mayor Eric Adams’s shocking indictment on bribery and fraud charges, and Michael Kosta steps in to find out who's left to run the city. Leslie Jones shares her brutally ho...nest take on why Europeans think Americans are so messed up after her trip to the Paris Olympics. Award-winning director Susanna Fogel talks about her new film, Winner, and the unique challenges of telling whistleblower Reality Winner’s story through a female lens. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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As a kid growing up in Chicago, there was one horror movie I was too scared to watch.
It was called Candyman.
It was about this supernatural killer who would attack his victims if they said his
name five times into a bathroom mirror.
But did you know that the movie Candyman was partly inspired by an actual murder?
I was struck by both how spooky it was, but also how outrageous it was.
Listen to Candyman, the true story behind the bathroom mirror murder,
starting October 3rd, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Jessi Lydic.
We've got a really big show for you tonight.
It's autumn in New York.
The leaves are changing.
The indictments are falling.
And Leslie Jones is here.
But let's get right into today's big story.
New York City's Mayor Eric Adams.
He's known for a lot of things, from clubbing downtown to clubbing in midtown to clubbing
during work hours.
He's having the best time and the party is never gonna end.
Breaking overnight, indicted New York Mayor Erica Adams facing
criminal charges, an historic case. For the first time a sitting mayor is facing
criminal charges indicted by the US Southern District here in New York.
Can someone check if there's bottle service at Rikers? So yes, this is a
historic and sad day for New York City,
which is why the subway masturbators were flying
their sweatpants at half-mast this morning.
Now, to be fair, Adams is, of course, innocent
until proven guilty, although it would be a lot easier
to believe he wasn't doing crimes if he didn't dress
like a gangster from Guys and Dolls. But the question is, what exactly is Eric Adams accused of?
Let's find out in our new segment, Suspects in the City.
I couldn't help but wonder, how could the mayor be in trouble with the law?
We know how much he follows the law because he tells us all the time.
I just strongly believe you have to follow the law.
I cannot tell you how much I start today with telling my team, we gotta follow the law.
See, as we know, the most trustworthy people are the ones who are constantly telling you
how trustworthy they are.
It's like how most faithful spouses start every morning reminding themselves not to
cheat.
If you got one of those ladies, hang on, hang on tight, don't let go.
So what's the mayor in trouble for?
Well according to him, it's for simply caring too much.
I always knew that if I stood my ground for all of you, that I would be a target, and
a target I became.
Oh my God. You did that for us?
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
And I knew it.
I knew that when you said the city should put garbage in garbage cans, they would come after you.
I knew it and they did.
They did. Thank you. I mean, unless there was some other reason why they indicted you.
The indictment reads, like lifestyles of the rich and famous describing a politician who
wanted to travel beyond his means and did so with the help of Turkish nationals.
On numerous occasions, the mayor would fly on Turkish airlines, which is primarily owned
by the Turkish government.
In October 2016, they purchased economy tickets valued at just over $2,200 and received free
upgrades to business class worth about $15,000.
In 2017, Adams, a family member and a staff member, accepted free business class tickets worth
more than $35,000.
Let me get this straight.
I've heard of politicians getting paid off in bags of cash and fancy cars and gold bars,
but this is the first time I've heard of selling out this city to get medallion status on Turkish
airlines.
I mean, come on buddy, if you want to get bumped up to first class, just say you found
a pub in your pretzels.
It works every time.
Every time.
And if you're wondering, isn't Turkish Air an inconvenient airline to have your
bribes paid in, you're right.
According to the indictment, Adams insisted on flying Turkish air through Istanbul even if it was out of the way.
When his girlfriend asked if he wanted to vacation in Chile, he repeatedly asked her whether Turkish airlines flew there from New York City.
Our mayor is bad at crime and geography.
Oh my god, this isn't just embarrassing as a mayor,
this is embarrassing as a boyfriend.
Hey baby, Hawaii sounds fun,
but what about a three hour layover in Istanbul?
And then Estonia.
It is the Hawaii of Eastern Europe.
So Turkish Airlines is the quid.
Wait till you hear the pro quo.
The indictment detailing an alleged quid pro quo writing that Adams intervened with the
FDNY to permit the Turkish consulate to occupy a skyscraper that had not passed a fire safety
inspection.
This is the worst bribery deal ever.
Listen, if you slip me a couple hundred grand, I'll make double sure there's no fire extinguishers
in your building.
You can thank me later.
This is so upsetting.
It's a sad day in New York City when foreign nations are bribing the mayor to rush permits.
That is the mob's job.
Okay?
Those should be American bribes the mayor to rush permits. That is the mob's job. Okay, those should be American bribes.
American.
American.
American.
American.
American.
American.
American.
American.
American.
Now a lot of politicians are saying Adams should resign,
or at least hide his face in shame,
but what do real New Yorkers say?
You think he should resign?
I think so.
He's not good. He deserved to get out.
There's always been a mayor.
There's gonna be another one.
What's the big deal?
Laughter
Applause
Applause
Wow. New Yorkers feel the same way
about their mayor as most people do
about the Fast and Furious movies.
They're all bad and there is definitely going to be another one.
Maybe one reason New Yorkers aren't too worried about their mayor being indicted is that we
understand the city government is so much more than just one person.
The Adams administration is full of civil servants doing their job honorably, like the
police commissioner.
Embattled NYPD commissioner Edward Caban was forced to resign, and made a federal investigation
into influence peddling involving his twin brother.
Okay, so the police commissioner also had a scandal.
You can always get another police commissioner.
Just days after being appointed, interim NYPD Commissioner Tom Donlin's homes have been
raided by the feds.
Police aren't everything. It's the school system that matters.
School's Chancellor David Banks becomes the latest appointee to announce his departure
as he faces scrutiny after FBI agencies his cell phones.
It's not the chancellor.
Who will make sure the schools are chanceled?
Jesus, is there anyone in this administration who isn't under investigation?
Banks is among at least 15 other members of the administration that are currently under
investigation.
Banks, his two brothers, Phil and Terrence,
as well as his fiance, Deputy Mayor Sheena Wright.
Agents search the home of Adams' chief fundraiser,
Brianna Suggs.
New York City Sheriff Anthony Miranda and his office
are being investigated over money confiscated
from illegal pot shops.
Investigators search the homes of Winnie Greco,
the director of Asian Affairs.
A senior aide to Mayor Adams, Tim Pearson. Were there any kind of kickbacks going on?
Business dealings between Frank Carone, the one-time chief of staff to Mayor Adams, and
a Monsignor named Jamie Gigantiello. Oh my God. Fox News was right, crime really is out of control in New York.
But this is actually kind of impressive.
Adams has assembled multiple branches of an administration all committed to a shared vision of breaking the law.
I can't even get my co-workers to go apple picking with me.
For more on this evolving scandal, we now go live to City Hall with Michael Kosta.
Michael, with all this turmoil, who is actually in charge of the city right now?
That's a good question, Desi, and I think I am.
I mean...
What? You?
Yeah, you know, I came down to City Hall this morning
to ask some questions, but it was totally empty.
Everyone has either resigned or been arrested.
Then the phone started ringing, so I answered one.
Then I answered another one,
and now I'm pretty much running the city.
I mean, hold on, I gotta sign off on this budget thing.
So, that looks good, yeah.
Wait, wait, wait, you should not be running the city.
You know, it's not that hard, Desi.
I mean, I hired some firefighters,
I shut down the F train for no reason,
I grand marshaled a gay Vietnamese mermaid parade, I was a fireman. I was a fireman. I was a fireman. I was a fireman. I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman.
I was a fireman. I was a fireman. to make it. He's not going to make it.
I got to say, I'm impressed, Michael.
It seems like you're actually doing a good job.
Wait.
Wait, what was that?
Did you just accept a bribe?
Of course not.
You think I'm mayor for one day, and I'm already
taking cash to build a Turkish bath
in the middle of Central Park?
That's insulting.
Ateşekir, irdakin.
What did you just say?
What crime? You did.
I'll have you know that every morning,
I look in the mirror and I say,
do not approve a Turkish bathhouse
in exchange for 40,000 Turkish
lira and first class seats to Boston with a stopover in Istanbul.
Wow, wow.
You really are a New York City mayor.
Yeah, well, I mean, oh, what, what, what, what, what, what?
Someone ratted me out.
Was this camera recording me the whole time?
Desi, tell the world I'm innocent. I took those brides for you. Desi, please. Someone ratted me out. Was this camera recording me the whole time?
Desi, tell the world I'm innocent.
I took those brides for you.
Desi, please.
Come on.
Come on.
I was gonna ask you to go apple picking with me.
Michael Kosta, everybody.
When we come back, Leslie Jones will give us her opinion.
So don't go away.
As a kid growing up in Chicago, there was one horror movie.
I was too scared to watch.
It was called Candyman.
The scary cult classic was set in the Chicago housing project.
It was about this supernatural killer who would attack his victims if they said his
name five times into a bathroom mirror.
Candyman.
Candyman?
Now we all know chanting a name won't make a killer magically appear.
But did you know that the movie Candyman was partly inspired
by an actual murder?
I was struck by both how spooky it was, but also how outrageous it was.
We're going to talk to the people who were there, and we're also going to uncover the
larger story.
My architect was shocked when he saw how this was created. Literally shocked.
And we'll look at what the story tells us
about injustice in America.
If you really believed in tough on crime,
then you wouldn't make it easy
to crawl into medicine cabinets and kill our women.
Listen to Candyman, the true story
behind the bathroom mirror murder,
starting October 3rd, wherever you get your podcasts.
Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
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Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us. So here with another installment of In My Opinion is our good friend, Leslie Jones.
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yes. Very blessed, very hydrated, yes.
But that's because over the summer,
I went to a little place called France.
It was for the Olympics.
Oh, what's that? What's that?
You want to see pictures? No!
It wouldn't be right to show you guys
this picture of me looking so fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would be...
Yes.
It would be gauche,
a word that I learned in France
when I was there doing the Olympics. But while I was doing my eat, slay, love in France when I was there doing the Olympics.
But while I was doing my Eat Slay Love in France,
I learned something very unfortunate
that I want to talk to y'all about.
While I was there, we were treated very rudely.
And at first, I thought it was because I was black.
But that wasn't it.
It actually was because I was American.
Which made me so sad, because I was like,
damn, can't y'all just be racist?
LAUGHTER
But it turns out there's a lot of things about Americans
that the world doesn't like.
And you know what? I think I might agree with them.
Take out food.
When I was in France, I ate a peach.
And it was so good that I started crying.
Because I don't think I have ever had a real peach before.
It tasted so natural, so sweet, and goosh.
It made me think, why can't American food be that good? And it turns out the reason is because half the shit in our food isn't even food.
There are more than 10,000 chemicals and additives allowed in food in the United States.
Potassium bromate is a suspected carcinogen that's banned for human consumption in Europe,
but legal in the U.S.
Skittles, pop tarts, Gatorade, Little Debby's banned in the European Union because of dyes like
Yellow 5, Yellow 6, and Red 40. For the UK bottle of Heinz ketchup, there are about six ingredients,
all recognizable, but that's not the same for the classic U. classic US one. Take a look at how
much longer this thing is. High fructose corn syrup, corn syrup and natural
flavoring. Natural flavor? What the f**k does natural flavoring mean? Everything has natural flavor.
A dog's ass has natural flavoring but it doesn't mean I want to dip my French fries in it.
We are eating poisons and we don't even care.
I had so much time to do stuff in Europe because I didn't have to schedule
two hours
after every meal for shitting.
And we're paying the price for eating all this trash.
Have you ever realized that there's no more
your mama's so fat jokes in you?
It's because now everybody mama's fat. It ain't funny no more.
Everybody is like, oh, your mama's so fat.
And so is my mama.
And so am I.
Pass the corn, sir.
It's not just about food, though.
Because not only do Europeans think
we're ugly on the outside, they Europeans think we're ugly on the outside,
they also think we're ugly on the inside.
They have really, really crazy people there.
Self-absorbed and feels superior.
So aggressive.
They're quite brash, they're quite loud people.
Americans talk too loud.
Loud.
Loud.
Loud.
Pretty loud. What the f. Loud, pretty loud.
What the f*** you talking about loud?
Laughter and applause
Cheers
Y'all too quiet over there anyway, whispering and shit.
You got too many damn secrets.
The Queen is dead.
Laughter Laughter Not too many damn secrets. The queen is dead. And I'd love to push back on these Europeans,
but anyone who's been on the internet
knows that we can be a little combative.
Meltdown on the plane.
Get out of the fucking office, you fucking fucking plane.
Road rage leading to fists flying in Flagler County.
Come on!
Come on you little punk!
Oh!
I came for food, yeah?
So much ketchup!
Are you making fun of me because I'm on a diet?
You okay?
I'm upset!
Wait! Hey! No! You okay? We're not set. We... Hey, stop. We need therapy!
BetterHelp.com, help!
You know, we should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States,
but in the whole world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole
world.
We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole world. We should have a social contract in this country, not just in the United States, but in the whole world. We should have a social contract in this country not to lose our shit in public.
If someone gets your order wrong, be an adult, just say, I'm never eating here again, then
order at the drive-thru like everybody else! It's not just these viral videos.
Unfortunately, the rest of the world is aware of our culture of violence.
The gun situation kind of freaks me out.
There's all these shootings going on.
Guns, violence.
School shootings, many people with guns.
Everyone can buy a weapon there.
People have so many guns.
I feel like I would not feel safe there.
You're right! You're not going to be safe here.
You think I do cardio for my health?
I do it so I can outrun bullets, bitch!
I'm a bullets bitch! LAUGHTER
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Everybody shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
I shouldn't even be legally allowed to own a megaphone.
But I do!
LAUGHTER
The point is, we got problems, America.
And don't try to blame all of this on Trump.
Because even if you take him out of the picture,
our political system is not normal.
A candidate for governor is accused
of making disturbing statements on a porn site,
including allegedly saying he is a black Nazi.
Congresswoman Lauren Boebert kicked out
of a performance of the musical Beetlejuice,
and she and her companion were noticeably
groping each other in front of others.
South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem revealing in a new book that she shot her dog Cricket.
Federal officials are investigating Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for allegedly decapitating a dead whale.
Decapitating whales? What did the whales do to you, Kyle?
What did the whales do to you, Kyle? Can't you just do, can't you just go to a ditty party like a normal millionaire?
Of course Europe thinks we're f***ed up. I think we're f***ed up. We are f***ed up. Stop! Listen, listen, I had to leave America to realize how much bullshit we live in.
I know that this last decade has been hard on everyone.
I've been around the world, I've been around the country, and people feel helpless and
hopeless.
They don't trust the Supreme Court,
don't trust the politicians,
our criminal justice system,
and our food supply.
They think that the power comes from the top down.
But let me let you in on a secret.
The people have all the power.
It's you.
CHEERING
But... We got all the power, but we got to get involved.
And I get it.
I get it.
You just want to go to work, come home, take care of your kids, watch your hulu.
But you got to get involved.
That's the way to make things change. And if we do that, we can be better.
We can do better.
We can be...
Ghosts!
CHEERING
Leslie Jones, everybody!
Steve!
When we come back, Susanna Fogle will be joining on the show,
so don't go away. Leslie Jones! We did it! Yay! Steve! When we come back, Susanna Boga will be joining on the show,
so don't go away!
Leslie Jones!
We do!
Let's go!
Woo!
Woo!
Woo!
Woo!
Woo!
Woo!
As a kid growing up in Chicago,
there was one horror movie I was too scared to watch.
It was called Candyman.
The scary cult classic was set in the Chicago housing project. It was about this supernatural killer who would attack his victims if they said his
name five times into a bathroom mirror.
Candyman.
Candyman?
Now we all know chanting a name won't make a killer magically appear, but did you know
that the movie Candyman was partly inspired by an actual murder?
I was struck by both how spooky it was, but also how outrageous it was.
We're going to talk to the people who were there,
and we're also going to uncover the larger story.
My architect was shocked when he saw how this was created.
Literally shocked.
And we'll look at what the story tells us
about injustice in America.
If you really believed in tough on crime,
then you wouldn't make it easy to crawl into medicine cabinets
and kill our women.
Listen to Candyman, the true story behind the bathroom
mirror murder, early and ad free,
starting September 26 with a 48 hours plus
subscription on Apple Podcasts.
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Welcome back to The Daily Show.
My guest tonight is an award winning director
and screenwriter whose latest film is called Winner.
Please welcome Susanna Fogel. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.
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You're missing the fat tie and the pocket square.
Next time.
No, this is not Guys and Dolls.
This is Chic.
Great.
This is Chic.
This is cool, powerful director Chic.
I am so happy for you.
Congratulations on everything with this film.
It's incredible.
This is based on the true story,
the whistleblower reality winner.
Remind people what happened to reality.
So reality is a girl from Texas who was really smart,
taught herself all these languages in high school
to try to sort of, her goal was to become a
linguist and to help overseas. After 9-11 she got really kind of motivated to try to help bridge
the gap between you know us and them and so she joined the Air Force hoping that she could go
overseas and she ended up sort of helping with drone strikes which is not what she had in mind
and had a crisis of conscience about it, and
left the Air Force, later went to work at the NSA as a contractor, private contractor.
And when she was there, she saw something on her work computer that was at odds with
what was in the news.
This is when people were litigating whether or not Russia had hacked the elections, and
the news cycle was really consumed with that.
Oh, it feels like just yesterday, doesn't it?
We're so far.
We've come such a long way.
So in the same place.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
So anyway, so she was sort of watching this constant loop of the news saying there was
no proof that the government knew that the Russians had hacked the election.
And then on her work computer, she just, out of curiosity, took a peek at some classified
documents and saw that in fact we did know, and this was sort of kind of just cycling around And then on her work computer, she just out of curiosity took a peek at some classified documents
and saw that in fact we did know
and this was sort of kind of just cycling around and around
and she leaked a document to The Intercept
hoping to just sort of let the public know
that in fact they were being lied to.
Not to prove that the election was stolen
but just to show people that we were sort of
looking in the wrong place and that we were
kind of operating blindly when,
in fact, the government knew more than they said they did.
Right.
Showing them the truth.
Exposed the truth.
Yeah.
And she served quite a bit of time for this crime.
She was served with the longest amount of time
ever for someone who leaked government secrets.
How long did she serve?
Almost five years.
Five years.
Yeah, she ended up getting out on good behavior and she was on house arrest and halfway house
for a while.
But basically, yeah, I mean, she didn't have anything to trade.
She didn't have power connections.
She was from a small town.
And unlike a lot of people who sort of got away with actual collusion, she was just kind of nailed and tried to lobby for her own release,
but there was no mercy for her at the time.
So she was martyred, really.
It is remarkable how so many other people have,
who shall remain nameless, have done far worse
and aren't showing any accountability for their actions.
Sometimes they can run for president.
Yeah.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like only you, Susanna Fogle,
could take this movie, this very weighty, serious story,
and turn it into this beautiful, heartwarming, comedic at times, coming of age film.
It's a really beautiful, beautiful movie.
What was behind your approach in taking that path with that tone?
So I have to give credit to Carrie Howley, who's the journalist for New York Magazine,
who wrote this long-form piece on reality.
It was really striking because it mostly focused on what a funny person reality is and how quirky she is.
Like her love for Futurama and Pikachu jumpsuits, which she actually wore in life and wears
in the movie.
She's a quirky, quintessentially millennial person with a variety of interests.
It's hard to pin her down to one thing.
She loves guns and dogs and CrossFit
and you know she's just kind of like a she's such an iconoclastic person and that really came across
in the piece that Carrie wrote. And so the whole approach behind the movie even before I came on to
direct was that let's show this person who is so relatable. I mean she's very special but she's also
someone that that could be any of us in this situation
that feels so heightened and that the stakes are so high.
And so to me, it was like we've seen
so many whistleblower movies.
They're usually about young men, very serious men,
very serious movies, but this is a funny person
that was in a really serious situation.
And that's kind of my favorite type of mashup
is really just to show a person that could be you or me,
not a person who everything is always high stakes,
there's always intense violin music playing
when they're making a tough moral decision.
She's just a person who, you know,
she listens to Fall Out Boy and she drives around,
and she's not your typical person who would be in a drama like this
as a person and in our movie.
So I thought that would help people sort of see how close to home all of this stuff is.
It really does.
Whether you feel like you would make that decision or not, no matter whether you relate
to her choice, you definitely relate to her as a human being and you show her as this
complex, really fun, funny woman.
The performances are incredible in this.
The actress who plays reality is Amelia Jones.
She's unbelievable.
I could not picture anyone else in that role.
Yeah, she's great.
And then you have Zach Galifianakis,
who's also incredible, Connie Britton.
Do you, I'm curious, the one thing that I love so much
about your work is that you've explored
all these different genres of film, but one thing that seems to be a through line is that
you love telling stories of these complicated, flawed, funny, empowered women.
Is that something that you look for when you're choosing to write or direct on a project?
I try to avoid it.
You do.
You do. Yeah.
You do.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's honestly, like, what appealed to me about this particular story is that
it's a woman in an everyman story.
The story is not about gender equality, even though the stories obviously have their place,
and there have been great movies about them.
To me, there's, I think, like, progress or that sort of post-that canon of movies is
movies about women that are dealing with moral issues
that usually we've seen represented through a male perspective.
So, yeah, I mean, I think I gravitate towards stories I feel haven't been told.
And when it comes to female characters,
stories that feel like they haven't been shown through a female lens,
it ends up being something I'm excited about.
It's not something I look for exclusively, but in this case, I thought, you know,
this is a story that's so specific because of who she is,
where she comes from, that she's a woman,
that she's a young woman.
And yet it's a story where the sort of big,
serious moral issue she's grappling with
is one that isn't about gender
and isn't about proving that she's equal to men,
which is what a lot of, I think, movies and shows,
they kind of just default to that one problem
that still exists widely, obviously, but...
No, you don't say.
Yeah, I know.
We don't feel it in late night.
I'm sorry.
Not at all.
No, not at all.
I just thought I'd...
I thought I would give you the exclusive on that.
Thank you. Thank you. Breaking story.
Like that one.
You also spent a lot of time with reality.
I did. Yeah. Is that true?
I did. I, um... Yeah, I mean, it was one of my...
It was my first experience trying to tell a story
about a real person who's alive
and there to defend themselves or get mad at me
and never speak to me again if I don't do justice
to her story and her personality.
At the same time, it's a fictionalized movie.
So yeah, there was a lot of pressure.
First, the pressure to get her to trust me enough
that I could talk to her about aspects of her experience
and also just to get the details right of her life.
What music did you listen to?
What bad fashion choices did you make in high school that we can replicate in our movie
so it feels real?
To do that, you sort of have to get close, and then once you're close and you're friends,
the terror switches to they're going to see the movie and they're going to feel misrepresented
and then the friendship is going to be destroyed and then I'll feel terrible about it.
Did she see the movie?
So she has sworn not to see any of the three movies that have been made about her.
So we're not being singled out, but no, she has not seen the movie.
I mean, basically her philosophy on all of it is she wants her story to get out there.
She wants people to kind of know what she did and why and to take action in their own
lives and their own moral choices, big and small.
So she's hoping that her story makes a difference that way and counts for something.
But she's not into like a makes a difference that way and counts for something, but she's
not into like a public facing branded version of herself.
She's sort of introverted and shy in a weird way for someone who's so bold in other ways.
So yeah, I mean her perspective on all of that is she doesn't want to see the movie
and fixate on the things that I got wrong and then hate me, which I take as a great
compliment.
So the friendship is still intact.
The friendship is intact, yeah.
Well I would like to think if she saw the movie,
she would be very proud and very happy
with the way that it came out.
I would hope so.
It's truly incredible.
Thank you for coming on.
Thank you.
Thank you, though.
Thank you for allowing me to blow the whistle
on how good this movie is.
Thank you, Betty.
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