The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump's Anti-Press Press Conference & Jeff Sessions's Forced Resignation | Rebecca Traister
Episode Date: November 8, 2018President Trump attacks journalists during a post-midterm press conference, Attorney General Jeff Sessions forcibly resigns, and Rebecca Traister discusses "Good and Mad." Learn more about your ad-ch...oices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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this is the Daily Show Dishay, everybody.
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My guest tonight from New York magazine, Rebecca Trayster is here, everybody.
A really wonderful writer, and she has a new book out about the power of women's anger.
And I can't imagine anything women have to be angry about right now.
Well what do you think, Justice Kavanaugh?
Still like beer.
My man.
All right, but first, yesterday was the midterm elections, which you probably know by now
because Instagram was full of people showing off their I-voted stickers.
Like yesterday, no picture was taken that didn't include an I-voted sticker.
Even Dick Picks had the stickers in them.
I know because I received many.
And as you probably also know, the Democrats ended the night riding high.
A power shift in Washington. Democrats take the House for the first time in eight years.
House Minority Leader, soon to be potentially House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, said
her party's wins, mark a new day in America.
It's about stopping the GOP and Mitch McConnell's assault on Medicare, Medicaid,
the Affordable Care Act, and the health care of 130 million Americans living with pre-existing
medical conditions. Let's hear it more for pre-existing medical conditions.
Yeah! Let's give it up for pre-existing conditions. Diabetes, I see you baby. We got X-Ama in the house.
Mm-hmm. Ast in the house.
Asma makes some noise.
Oh, boy.
Come on, Asma.
That's a bit weird.
That's right.
After eight years of being weaker than Ben Carson's coffee,
the House Democrats finally have a semblance of power.
And when the day started, I honestly thought
this was going to be today's big story,
because now that the Democrats have the House,
there are so many questions.
You know, what is their plan for working with Trump?
Will Nancy Pelosi reprise her role as speaker?
Will Bernie Sanders emcee my birthday party?
You know questions we all have, So we thought today's news would be focused on all of that. But then, President Trump stood up and said,
no, no, no, you guys might have taken control of the house,
but the news cycle will always be mine.
Fireworks from the East Room of the White House, just a short time ago,
as President Trump repeatedly clashing with members of the media.
On the campaign t's such a racist question. Let me tell you.
That's a racist question. I think you should let me run the country. You run CNN. And if you did
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Go ahead.
In Jim's defense, I've traveled with him and watched him.
He's a diligent reporter who buses by the arrest us.
Well, I'm not a big fan of yours either.
Oh!
Damn, that escalated fast.
What happened there? Peter Alexander just tried to be that guy who steps in the face to stop, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, thupip, thupip, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is the the the the the thi, is is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, teean, tean, tean, tean, tean, tean, tean, tea., thi, thi, thi, thi, the face. That's what happened. Mr. President, you being inappropriate. Your mama's inappropriate. Ah! But look, I mean, as troubling as this was, let's be honest. Trump attacking the press,
this is something we've seen a hundred times before. What we haven't seen is how the president
plans to work with the new Democratic House. I really believe that we have a chance to get along very well with the Democrats. We should get along and get deals done.
Now we can investigate.
They look at us, we look at them, it goes on for two years,
then at the end of two years, nothing's done.
Now what's bad for them is, being in the majority,
I'm just going to blame them. You understand, I'm going to blame them.
They're the majority. Honestly, it makes it much simpler for me. They will be blamed.
You know, as shameless as that is,
I somehow appreciate that Trump just told us his entire evil plots.
He's like a cliched movie bad guy.
And there, and even if it's not their fault, I'll blame the Democrats for everything.
Mua ha ha ha ha ha! And then, even if it's not their fault, I'll blame the Democrats for everything. Mu-haha! Mu-haha-ha-ha-ha!
Mu-haha-ha!
What are you doing?
They're like, why are you telling us this?
Because it's what villains do!
Mu-haha!
They'll never see it coming!
Muhah-ha! And now, to be honest, their........ their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what............... to.. to. to.. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that I can show you from this press conference that can do it justice.
Because it was an hour and a half of crazy Trump at his finest.
He accused the media of dividing the country.
He trashed Republicans who wouldn't bow down to him.
And he even threatened to investigate the Democrats if they used the house to investigate
Russia or his tax returns.
Like Trump was raging mad and then what was hilarious
is that in the middle of all this chaos this is one of my favorite moments.
He had to take questions from a bunch of people who couldn't even speak
American. So how you focus on the trade and economy issue with Japan?
Will you ask Japan to the more or would you change a tone? I don't I really don't understand
me. Is the electionto the war or would you change a tone? I don't, I really don't understand me.
Is the election of two Muslim women, one of them is veiled to the house which is making
history.
Is this a rebuke of this message, do you think?
I don't understand what?
I don't understand what?
President Erdogan said he's not know, I know, I know.
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
You tell me first, but I know, I know, I know.
What the hell's going on there?
Trump can't understand anyone with an accent.
That would be so weird because he lives with Melania, okay?
That makes no sense.
Absolutely no sense. Unless, unless that's probably why they're still together.
She's like, Donald, I want divorce.
I don't understand what you're saying.
I want divorce.
Okay, fine, I'll get you a horse.
Every day, she asked for a horse.
She says she wants to file.
You don't need a file for a horse. You can She said she wants to file. You don't need to file for a horse.
You can just get one, baby.
I'll just buy you one.
So now, at this point of the day, we were like, all right,
forget the Democrats in the house.
Clearly, the big news of the day is now going to be Trump and his fiery press
conference. You think I'm the story of the day? No, I'm the story of the day.
CNN breaking news.
Breaking news, President Trump suddenly fires the Attorney General Jeff Sessions for the unparadable
sin of recusing himself from the Russia investigation.
Jeff Sessions forced to resign today at President Trump's request.
President Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
Okay, now, that's not fair to President Trump, right?
He didn't fire Jeff Sessions.
He just said, rumple still skin, and then the curse was broken.
That's how it works.
And remember, this is all happening in one day.
Realize this?
All of this is happening in one day.
And this is huge news.
The President has fired his attorney general.
And I know there there there there there there there there the the the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president is I mean, in fact, people were talking about sessions getting fired for so long.
He probably already had a backup job lined up.
He's like, it's okay, I'm already assistant manager at Baby Gap.
But, but I want you to know, I've recused myself from those wanzas.
And the timing, y'alling, the timing is so brazen from Trump.
This is literally less than 24 hours after the midterms.
He knew that this wouldn't look good before the midterms.
He doesn't even wait.
He just like pulls the trigger on this thing.
Like I feel like he could have at least made it seem like he needed to think about
it first.
You know, it's like when you're in a relationship and your, and like, hey, if something ever happened to me, which one of my friends would you, Karen?
Karen.
I didn't even finish what I was going to...
What?
What, what are you going to say? I'll say, which one of my friends would you hook up with?
Karen? Yeah, Karen. Have you been thinking about this? No, it just came in my head now. Yeah, Karen on the beach in Montauk, yeah. That's, uh...
Just like, think about it, Trump, fake it!
And I never thought I'll say this,
but I feel bad for Jeff Sessions.
Because apparently Trump didn't fire him to his face,
or even call him.
All right?
He just sent John Kelly,
who's like a pre-written resignation letter. Yeah, John Kelly probably got then he was like, all right, Jeff, you want to do this the easy way or the Omarosa way? Which one
is it? And now just looking at Trump and Sessions, like this is a strange
story because there was so many reasons these two should have gotten along,
right? They both don't like immigrants. They both do like white
people. But there was always one big thing that Trump hated about Sessions. He recused himself from overseeing the Mueller investigation, which meant that he couldn't protect Trump from Mueller. And now
with Sessions gone, Trump can finally appoint a guy he knows for sure will
protect his ass. And what an ass! A guy who could kill the Mueller
investigation if he wanted to. And from the looks of it, the guy Trump picked for the
job would be more than happy.
The chief of staff at Jeff Sessions, Matt Whitaker, will be the new acting attorney general.
Whitaker told CNN last year that the new attorney general could reduce Mueller's budget,
make it so small that the Mueller investigation would grind to a halt.
I could see a scenario where Jeff Sessions is replaced with a recess appointment, and that Attorney General doesn't fire Bob Mueller, but he just reduces his budget so low that
his investigation grinds to it almost all.
Man, Donald Trump is so rock and roll.
So he probably saw this guy on CNN talking about how he would squash the Mueller investigation,
and then Trump just decided to hire him.
Yeah, dude from the TV, I want him and Barney. I'm in. And his plan, this
guy's plan to kill the investigation is just that he would drain all of Mueller's
resources, which is the most passive, aggressive way to kill an investigation. So Mullah
is going to show up at work and he's going to be like, we finally cracked the
Russian collusion case. Time to print out the indictments. Oh we don't have printer ink. Yeah we ran out. Oh I'm so sorry. Oh it's fine I'll just fill it
out online. Oh we didn't pay for Wi-Fi this month. You know what it's okay I'll just
drive to Kinko's oh we sold the Justice Department's car. By the end of this, the
investigation is just going to be mulled walking down the end of this, the investigation is just going to be Mullah walking down the street making siren noises with his mouth, like, weoo, we woo, we woo, we, woo, we, put your hands behind
your back and imagine there's handcuffs.
Now look, maybe I'm being too quick to judge, all right?
I'll admit this, maybe I am.
Just because Matt Whitaker over here, the hypothetical actually thinks the Mueller investigation has gone too far. All right.
Except, there is the fact that he also wrote an op-head
that was literally called,
Mueller's investigation of Trump has gone too far,
which to me is kind of a red flag.
So, my friends, let's face it.
The Mueller investigation is in danger.
Yeah. And something tells me that right now, Robert Mueller is in a bathroom stall trying to finish his homework before they shut it all down.
He's just like, I'm in here working!
And now you realize that all of this happened in one day and one day after the midterms.
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We'll be right back.
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come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show. My guest tonight is a writer at large for New York magazine
and best-selling author whose latest book is called Good and Mad, the Revolutionary Power
of Women's Anger. Please welcome, Rebecca Traster. Welcome to the show.
I'm happy to be here.
Congratulations on your new book.
Good and Mad, the revolutionary power of women's anger.
So Rebecca, what do women have, or do women have anything to be angry about in America?
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It is really timely that this book would come out,
not just after the midterms, but really after the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.
It felt like that was a moment in America where many women's voices were being heard,
and many women were saying, hey, this story sounds familiar to me.
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heard.
What are you talking about when you say the power of women's anger?
Well in part I'm looking at the history of women's anger as it has been expressed within
political context in this country and how that anger has often been the catalyst for
some of the social movements that have transformed the country, from abolition and suffrage to the labor movement, obviously to the the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil the civil, the the the the the the the power, the power, the the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, when thi, when the power, thi, when thi, when thi, when thi, when the, when the, when thee, when thee, when thee, when thee, when th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, when thi, thi, the power, the power, the power, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theauuiauia. W. W. thea, thea, the movements that have transformed the country, from abolition
and suffrage to the labor movement, obviously to the civil rights movement, the gay rights
movement and the women's movement of the 1960s and 70s, at the beginning of so many of those movements,
there were angry women, women angry at injustice, at inequality.
But we're not very often told the story of their anger as having been righteous. We are told that women's
anger is laughable, marginal hysterical. Women of colors, anger is treated as volatile
and dangerous, threatening. We're not encouraged to look at women's anger as something
that brings us political progress, but it really has over and over again in this country.
And so part of the book is an attempt to kind of tell that story and acknowledge the political
consequences of women who are angry at inequality.
It is an interesting time to see this conversation start because it, you know, you have the midterms
where we have now I think it's over 100 women in the house, right?
the change
for ourselves. And a lot of their candidacies stem from their anger. In the
in the early months of the Trump administration, after the after the 2016
election, when we first began to get a sense of how many women were going to step up and run for office on federal levels, on federal levels, so so many, inthem said, I'm furious. I'm angry at
what just happened. I'm angry at my lack of representation. I'm angry that this
guy who admitted to grabbing women by the pussy can then go on and be
elected president. And I am going to do something to change this. And so so many
of these candidacies stem from anger. A lot of them were at the women's march. It was a protest that was born borne in born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born born in th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the the th. th. th. to, to, the to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. the. them were at the women's march. It was a protest that was born and part of fury, a desire to like hold up big, profane signs
and express how angry women were.
And people didn't necessarily take it seriously.
Even though it was the biggest single-day political protest
in this country's history, they said,
oh, it was the hats.
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but what are they going to really do?
Well, they ran for office in unprecedented numbers,
and yesterday, women won, women of color, one seat. In record numbers, and that changes something that's always been broken in this country.
It doesn't fix it.
But we have always lived with this promise that we live in a representative democracy.
But in fact, you know, our government institutions have not represented us.
And they still don't.
It's still less than 25%.
Don't worry.
We're not anywhere close to actual representation.
But, um, but that kind of thing, new faces, new models for what leadership might look like,
that actually does begin to get us moderately closer to something like the founding promise that has always gone on met.
When you look at the way women's anger is met in many conversations.
There is a disconnect between anger when it comes from a man and then anger when it comes
from a woman.
As you say, like, you know, when I was watching the Kavanaugh hearings, for instance, I remember
thinking to myself, Dr. Ford was composed and she was in a really tough situation.
I thought to myself, if she had reacted the way Brett Kavanaugh did, berating people and screaming and shouting, she would have been dragged out of it and people would be like,
this bitch is crazy.
Yeah.
People would have said things like that.
They would have, like, that's the notion around.
We can't even imagine it.
Like, you imagine, you imagine her turning those questions back on, you know how we said to Klobuchar, you know, well have you ever blocked and blacked out? Can you imagine her turning those questions back on the Senate judiciary?
She would have been arrested.
So then how do, how do women then use that anger in a way?
Because like, I won't deny that.
I've also had to reframe how I think of it in a way that doesn't get blocked by their anger in positive ways, but how do you then move it forward for women? How do you then say to women, like, this is how we use our anger in a way that doesn't
get blocked by men?
Part of the trick is not telling women how to express or not express their anger differently.
It's doing what you just said, which is you've had to adjust your ears to how you hear
women's anger. So we can't th necessarily th necessarily thn thn thn then then then than there there than thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr, thr, thi, thrown, thr-a, is not thr-a, is not thr, is not thr, is not thr, is not th. thr, is not th. th. th. th. th, is not th, is not th, is not th, is not th, is not th, is not th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thr-a, th fury. But we can start to listen to the fury of other women differently and understand it
is valid.
We can start to listen for women's anger and think, oh, wait, maybe that's pointing me
towards something that's broken and needs to be fixed instead of hearing, she's
crazy.
Right.
And that's part of the book, there are so many interesting points that you draw from history and you
talk about what's happening to us today.
When we talk about Hillary Clinton and you look at the passages in the book about her,
there is an interesting dilemma that Hillary faced, and that was if Hillary was angry,
people said she's annoying and she's irritating, if she wasn't angry, they said she doesn't have the passion.
So then does it become a catch-22 for women who are in positions of power?
It has been historically.
That's one of the reasons that we need to think differently about how we're hearing, receiving,
and responding to women's voices raised in passion or dissent? Hillary was running against two men in the Democratic primary
and then in the general election who used anger beautifully.
They were able to channel the anger of their supporters
and they were credited for it.
But every time she spoke too close to a microphone,
somebody said, stop yelling at us.
And at the same time, she faced this criticism.
She's not really, she doesn't have any of the real the real real real real real real real real real real real real real real real real real real real the real real real real real of the real emotion to connect with her voters. So this is a bind that women have been in for a long time.
If they yell, they're seen as off-putting, especially if they're in positions of power,
or challenging men for positions of power.
They're seen as castrating, their anger discredits them. And at the same time, if they don't show it, then how can we know that we are to to to to to to to their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, the, they, they, the, they're, they're, the, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, the, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they.e, they.e, they're they.e, they.e, the, the, the, the, the, they.s, they.s, they.s, they.s, th.s, th.s, theree.s, theree.s, thereeau.s, they're seen, they're seen, they're seen, they're seen, they're seen, theyto take them seriously about what they say? These are the systems we again we out part of the book is outlining these patterns and then saying we actually need to change the systems
So we need to start listening to the voices of women differently and and engaging different models and I think we are I think some of the candidates who won yesterday
Are women who have been very open about what they've been angry about that their dissatisfactions?
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And that's something that's beginning to change our models for how we can hear women's voices
and understand them as politically serious.
There's always been one dilemma for America in and around its voting, and that has
been that women's voices are heard, but then in instances like with Donald Trump or even in the midterms as we saw
yesterday, you have women voters being the reason that people like dissanctus get into powers.
And white women specifically.
Yeah, let's be specific.
It's white women.
Right, white women have now been identified as a very powerful voting block.
So for instance, with Brian Kemp, white women outvoted white men.
According to these exit polls. now that is a shocking metric.
I mean, I want to make sure that...
No, but I'm saying, okay, but even in Florida,
they go, white women voted for desanctus.
As long as we have been tracking these things,
and from before we've been tracking these things.
White women have very often voted on behalf of white patriarchal power structures and conservative politics.
White women, a majority of white women, have voted for Republicans in every presidential election
except two since 1952.
And one of the things that we have to acknowledge in this country, we are a country that
is built around a white patriarchy in which white men from the founding have been
afforded economic, political, public, social, and sexual power,
and other people have been barred from it.
White women, via their associations with white men, have enjoyed that proximal power
and thus are incentivized to defend it, to uphold it.
They benefit from white supremacy, and they are, many of them, dependent on patriarchy,
which they are then moved to support, politically and socially.
This is a longstanding reality that we need to be more open about.
It's not that we're suddenly going to persuade those conservative women to give up their affiliations.
Right. To the Republican Party, to conservative politics, and to white patriarchal power structures.
But we need to figure out the ways that the white women
who are angry on behalf of a more progressive
and more inclusive future can do the work of expanding electorate,
the electorate looking to women of color for leadership in terms of how to go forward,
acknowledging that members of their demographic are in some ways compromised.
And ways in which the white women, in which white women can become angry in progressive
ways that wind up getting us to a better place.
That's an interesting idea that you just brought up there real quick before I let you go.
The idea that women of color, black women specifically in America have been at the forefront
of so many movements.
And you know, we saw with like the Roy Moore elections, you saw that
black women as a block have always been focused and progressively minded. And so
what you're saying then is white women need to take a cue from black women. How do you
begin that conversation? And is there a disconnect between white women who are saying
like, oh we're the angry? We're taken this? No we've been angry.. th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their, their their, their, their their, their, th. their, th. th. th. th. thi. th th th th thi. th th th th theea. the the th thea. the the the and black women seem like, no, we've been angry, we've got this. Oh, yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, there is a disconnect.
There's anger.
And I believe that that anger between potential allies needs to be expressed, and I'm not the first to believe this is what Audrey Lord is writing about in the 1980s, that th and th and th and th, th, th, the a th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, the, yes, yes, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, and I I I thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the thi.ei. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, yes, yes, their, the the in the 1980s, that the anger about racism within a women's movement must be expressed if we're to move forward and
be productive and generative in terms of where we want to go and form more solid coalitions.
But it is absolutely true that black women who have seen no incentive from white
patriarchy and they don't get white supremacy. And that has, to some degree, permitted them to be the groundbreaking, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, and, to be, and, and, their, and, their, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, to be, their, their, and, and, their, and, and, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, is.a.a.a, their.a, their.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.that has, to some degree, permitted them to be the groundbreaking thinkers, organizers,
leaders of so many progressive movements.
And yes, when white women get woken up, as they have over the past two years,
that's necessary, that's correct.
White women should be angry about inequity,
not just that they experience, but that other vulnerable people around them experience,
but there is a tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency tend tendency te te te te te to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their theirthere is a tendency because they have more power to come in and appropriate and behave
as though maybe they, we, I am a white woman.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop the interview.
Yeah, we invented anger.
Right.
Right. That, we need to, that's part of what we need to talk about.
No. That's part of what we need to talk about. No, no. We did not invent it.
We did not create it.
We did not create protest.
And in fact, it is crucial that we
look to those who have been angry, active, progressive,
and revolutionary before us for cues, direction, and leadership as we move into the future.
And that's part of what happened yesterday.
Look at the women of color who were elected yesterday. That's one step.
That's one step.
That's the, that's one step.
We need to look at transforming our political parties
and our activist coalitions and looking to women of color for leadership.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
Wonderful having you.
Good and mad is a really amazing book and is available now.
Rebecca Trace, everybody.
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