The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Votegasm 2020: The Democratic Debate | TDS Time Machine
Episode Date: November 19, 2023The Daily Show jumps in our time machine to when Trevor went LIVE after the Atlanta 2020 Democratic primary debate. Plus, Roy Wood Jr. talks to a panel of Black voters to understand which candidate be...st understands their needs. And Trevor sits down with MSNBC anchor Alicia Menendez who discusses her new book "The Likeability Trap," and shares her thoughts on the Democratic primary race. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Take a seat. Let's do this thing.
I'm Trevor Noah, the Democratic presidential debate ended just moments ago,
and we are coming to you live.
That's right, we are live, people, and I'll prove it.
The New York Knicks lost tonight.
How could I possibly know that if we weren't live? Now, on a normal night, the debates would be the only news anyone would be talking about.
But since Trump became present, there has been no normal night. So, today we're going to be
covering the debate and we're going to be covering the blockbuster impeachment hearing that
rocked Washington, D.C. So first up, let's get into it. Tonight was the fifth Democratic debate,
and it took place down in Atlanta, Georgia,
at Tyler Perry Studios,
where they filmed numerous movies and TV shows.
And I'll be honest, I'm just glad Joe Biden finally made it to the right soundstage,
because for a while today, he was just wandering around in the background of other movies.
It was really awkward.
Medea was like, give me one of those famous massages while
you here. I'm tired as hell Joe Biden. Now at the last debates in October they had 12 Democrats
crammed on stage. Yeah, it was so tight people could barely move. But then Spirit Airlines
was like, hey, that's our thing. So this time, the Democrats scaled it back down to an even 10. And the candidates were joined by four moderators,
who for the first time this campaign season were all women,
which personally, I didn't even notice.
Yeah, it's amazing, but I didn't even notice
because I don't see color.
Now, the major change, the major change from the last debate
is the rise of Pete Budaje, right?
Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and the only adult Michael Jackson would be into.
Over the past few weeks, he has surged from the middle of the pack to take the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire.
So now, between Budajezegge, Biden, Warren, and Bernie, this has become a four-way race. And if you include Corey Booker, it's still a four-way race. So. So. So, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the th, right, right, right, right, the the the the the the the the the the the the ma, right, right, the mire, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, the the the the the mi, the mi, the mi, and, and Bernie, this has become a four-way race. And if you include Corey Booker, it's still a four-way race.
So, with Buda teage's rising in the polls,
tonight, the moderators asked him something a lot of people are wondering.
Why should a teenage mayor from South Bend, Indiana
become president of the United States?
Mayor Budgech, let's talk about your record as a candidate. Why should Democrats take the risk of betting on you? In order to defeat this president, we need somebody who can go to toe who actually comes
from the kinds of communities that he's been appealing to.
I don't talk a big game about helping the working class while helicoptering between golf
courses with my name on him.
I don't even golf.
As a matter of fact, I never thought I'd be on a Forbes magazine list,
but they did one of all the candidates by wealth,
and I am literally the least wealthy person on this stage.
Yeah, Pete Budajejah, may be the poorest person on that stage,
but Bernie was like, yes, but I look the poorest.
And that should count for something. You know, it's actually funny how running for president is the only time people brag about how much money they don't have.
Right? It's like they're all bizarre rappers, you know.
Started from the bottom never left.
Started from the bottom and my whole team is in the exact same place because there's been no upward mobility for the last 30 40 years in this country.
with mobility for the last 30, 40 years in this country. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie.
A lot of tonight's debate sounded exactly like what we've heard in the previous fall.
You know, Medicare for All versus a public option.
Pragmatism versus Revolution.
Joe Biden versus his own mouth.
But one new thing we did see tonight was some brand new beefs,
like Elizabeth Warren versus Corey Booker on the wealth tax.
You know, I have proposed a two cent wealth tax.
That is a tax for everybody who has more than $50 billion in assets.
Your first $0.50 billion is free and clear.
But your $0.50 billion th and first dollar, you've got to pitch in $2 cents.
I don't agree with the wealth tax, the way that way that Elizabeth Warren puts it. The top one-tenth of one
percent that I want to say pay two cents more, they'll pay three point two percent
in America. The tax the way we're putting it forward right now the wealth tax I'm
sorry it's cumbersome it's been tried by the nations. Two-cent wealth tax and we can invest in an entire generation future. We Democrats also have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be the to be the the the to be the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. theck. theck. theck. the. thi. theck. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theanananananann. thean. tean. tean. tean. tean. tean. tean. te. te. the. te. the. the. talk about how to grow wealth as well. When I stood in church recently and asked folks in a black church,
how many people here want to be entrepreneurs?
Half the church raised their hands.
Yeah, and one guy in the back was like, nigger's an entrepreneur?
It's French for a businessman. Well, I don't want to be a French businessman.
I want to be an American businessman. It's got a whole lot more, I don't say what.
So that was Warren and Booker arguing about WellTax.
Then there was a beef that really came out of nowhere.
Kamila Harris versus Telsie Gabbard.
We have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the Democratic nominee for president
the United States, who during the Obama administration spent four years full-time
on Fox News criticizing
President Obama, butied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump in the
Trump Tower.
What Senator Harris is doing is unfortunately continuing to traffic in lies and smears
and innuendos because she cannot challenge the substance of the argument that I'm making.
People, please, stop fighting.
It's not worth it.
Neither of you are gonna be president.
What are you doing?
What are you doing it with smiles on their faces?
That was the most intense argument I've seen in Atlanta
that didn't involve Nainae.
That was really intense.
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But please, but please, don't get me wrong.
Tonight wasn't all about beefs, right?
In fact, there was one moment between the candidates that was actually kind of sweet.
First, I just want to stick up for Tom. We have a broken campaign finance
system, but Tom's been spending his own money fighting climate change. You you someone for having money and spending it in the right way, my opinion.
Thanks, Andrew.
No problem.
Oh, Yang 2020.
Everyone gets a thousand dollars and a compliment.
I love it.
Like, Andrew Yang is so nice.
I bet he would have the best concession speech ever.
He'd be like, I may not have won the presidency, but I want something more important, a friend, thank you.
Now, just like in previous debates, one of the most awkward moments of the night came
courtesy of the original Gaff Machine when he was talking about domestic violence, Joe
Biden.
No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman in anger other than in self-defense and that's rarely ever occurs. And so we have to just change the culture the c the c the ccure the ccature the ccature the ccature the ccature the ca ca the ca the ca the ca the ca the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theirc, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their their. to be to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. tipe. toe. toe. toe. their their other than in self-defense and that's rarely ever
occurs.
And so we have to just change the culture, period, and keep punching at it and punching
at it, and punch now.
It will be a big tip.
No, I really mean it.
It's a gigantic issue. What are you doing? What are you doing, Joe?
The only way he can recover from that is if he just starts making bad word choices his thing, you know?
He just needs to like dig deeper. He just be like, we need to get right to the heart of the drug epidemic.
I'm saying get deep in the veins of the drug problem.
And when we do it, it's going to feel so good.
So the candidates, once again, spent two hours tonight trying to show voters what separated
them from the other people on the stage. But when it came to Trump, they were all
trying to show that they were the same.
We have a president who is not only a pathological liar, he is likely the most corrupt president
in the modern history of America.
Read the Mueller report, all 442 pages of it, that showed how the president tried to obstruct
justice, sucking up to Vladimir Putin every minute of the day.
The president had to confess, in writing, in court to illegally diverting charitable contributions that were supposed to go to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to veterans to to to to to to to to to to the their their their their their their their the day. The president had to confess, in writing, in court, to illegally diverting charitable contributions
that were supposed to go to veterans.
First of all, we have a criminal living in the White House.
A criminal in the White House.
Someone needs to tell Donald Trump.
I bet he was watching this at home terrified like, oh no, a criminal.
I hope he doesn't steal all this stuff I already stole.
But look, it was no surprise that at a democratic debate they were talking impeachment tonight.
Because you see, the biggest political story today was a blockbuster hearing in Congress
where we heard testimony from Gordon Sondland, Trump's ambassador to the EU, and Homer Simpson's body
double. He's the first witness to testify who spoke directly to President Trump about
what he wanted from Ukraine. And today, he admitted, he admitted, that yes, Trump demanded
a quid pro quo. Specifically, if Ukraine's president got dirt on Joe Biden, Trump would
have a meeting with Zelensky in the White
House, which shows you how bad Trump wanted dirt on Joe Biden.
Because usually Trump will do anything to get out of a meeting.
Yeah, one time he even called in a bomb threat.
Yeah, one time he even called in a bomb threat.
It was like, hello, White House.
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testify that Trump ordered a quid pro quo, he testified that basically
everyone in the administration knew about it. Everyone, seriously.
He threw everybody under the bus, Mike Pompey, Mike Pence, Mick Malven,
John Bolton's mustache, even John Bolton's mustache's
mustache.
But there's one man in particular that Sonlan put at the center of the whole scandal, Rudy
Giuliani.
Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker, and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the President
of the United States.
We did not want to work with Mr. Giuliani.
We worked with Mr. Giuliani because the President directed us to do so.
President Trump directed us to, quote, talk with Rudy.
Let me say again, we weren't happy with the president's directive to talk with Rudy.
We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani.
Oh, God damn, nobody wanted to work with Rudy Giuliani.
You know, Sunlin was talking about Rudy.
Like, he was like that weird kid that your mom made you play with,
remember that kid? Yeah, and then that kid will always get you in trouble, and you'd be like, mom, I didn't want to play with Rudy
in the first place.
You said I have to, then he wanted a microwave a dead pigeon.
That's not my fault.
Like, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall
when Rudy Giuliani watched that testimony.
Although, if there was there was was was was was was was was was was was hearing was very bad for President Trump, so much so that he came out of the White
House before the hearing was even over to defend himself.
And I gotta say, he seemed a little shook.
Just a quick comment on what's going on in terms of testimony with Ambassador Sondland, and
I just noticed one thingthing and I would say that
means it's all over. What do you want from Ukraine? He asks me, screaming, what do you
want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories.
What do you want? What do you want? And now, here's
my response that he gave. Just gays. Ready? You have the cameras rolling? I want nothing.
That's what I want from Ukraine. That's what I want. I want nothing. I want nothing.
I want nothing. What is Trump doing?
That was one of the least presidential things I've ever seen.
He just looked like that crazy dude in the neighborhood who's yelling at everybody on his front
lot.
If I find out who's been taking my newspaper, I swear to God.
Like Trump is the only president to bring down the property value around the White House.
You can see, even the white people next door came out to see what the commotion was all
about.
You can see in their faces like, oh my God, Donald is out there again.
Like, I don't know.
I miss that lovely black family who used to live here.
This guy is a problem.
He's a problem. He's a problem. And you realize the worst part is that Trump was reading all of that from notes.
Like, that wasn't Trump freestanding. That was Trump prepared.
Now look, I'm no trained lawyer.
I'm no trained lawyer.
But I feel like innocent people don't need notes to remind themselves that they're innocent.
Like, you never see defendants in a courtroom like, can I just say, your honor, I did not murder my wife.
So look, this didn't make Trump look good or innocence.
In fact, he said the same lines so many
times in so many different ways. It almost felt like he wasn't being presidential.
It felt like Trump was auditioning to play the character president who is innocent.
Ready? You have the cameras rolling.
What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine?
What do you want from Ukraine?
What do you want from Ukraine?
I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories.
What do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
I want nothing?
I want nothing.
I want nothing.
I want nothing.
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I want nothing. I want nothing. Thank you folks. I think he nailed it. People is getting the job.
We'll be right back. John Stewart here, unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, The Weekly Show, we're gonna be talking about the election,
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Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart,
wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the day and show. As we said earlier, tonight's debate was held at Tyler Perry Studios in Atlanta.
A choice some believe is about sending a message to a very specific group of voters.
So we sent Roywood Jr. down to Atlanta to investigate.
Atlanta, the capital of Georgia and blackness.
Democrats are here to appeal to black voters.
But what do black voters want?
I'm here to find out.
But first Waffle House.
As the Democrats prepare for the debate at Tyler Perry's gated community,
I assembled a panel of voters all with one thing in common.
All right, who voted for Obama in 2012?
I was too young.
So, which candidate do you think best understands the needs of the black voter?
I think Elizabeth Warren.
Bernie.
I want to go Bernie.
Chris, who do you think best understands the needs of the black voter?
Donald Trump.
Huh?
Huh?
Uh, explain.
Some of the stuff I've heard he's already doing is like prison reform.
He's been hanging around black people as long as I can remember they loved him
till he ran for president as a Republican. Trump was the man.
Raise your hand if you remember when Donald Trump was the man.
The man as in the man but not the man. He wouldn't let black people into his apartments.
Roy know what I'm talking about. I. Roy know what I'm talking about.
I don't know what he's talking about.
But maybe some word association will show us
what they think of the other candidates.
Joe Biden.
Gasp.
Touching women.
All right, so nothing positive.
Okay.
Serve as a leader.
It thinks well on their feet. Warren is discussed giving black people reparations.
Is that a campaign promise you believe she could fulfill?
No.
Instead of calling it reparations, what if they called it back pay?
No.
That sounds even worse.
All right, next candidate.
That's the man right there.
He was with Martin Luther King, but he just had a heart attack so no.
So why do you love Bernie Jessica? I'm because he's gonna walk it like he talking.
He gonna come he gonna be out there with us. If he can. If he can walk him in the
wheelchair I'll be right there behind him. What do we feel about Pete Budaegich. Oh I'm sorry that's not Pete Budgech. That's there he is.
But look you can see the similarities. He got the two his hairline is like the
bread. He could be twins. They could you know be siblings. But he's
polling terribly with black people right now.
Exactly.
We don't know him.
He went up to Harlem, sat down with Al Sharpton, has some soul food at Sylvia's.
Is that pandering or outreach?
Pandering.
What did he order?
What?
What?
So, Kamala Harris?
She's the police.
Exactly.
There's a lot of people who look like me locked up under her watch.
So, Kamala's campaign released a video of her dancing to Cardi B.
That's pandering.
So then what is Kamala supposed to do?
When you're out and you black in a band plays, do you not do a little dance while you walking alone with the second line? I think we're harder on the black candidates, to be honest.
I think it's difficult for black people like her, even Corey to be themselves when the
spotlight is on them.
Corey Booker told Joe Biden that he dipping in the coolade and don't know the flavor.
How did that make you feel as a black person? He cornyny? He. th. th. th. that. th. that. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is th is th is th is th, th, th, th, th is th is th is th, thi, th is is th is th, th, is is th, is th, is th, is th is th, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi. thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I thi. I is thi is difficult is thi, is thi, is thi something like that. Oh yeah, he allowed, he just said it in a corny way.
Is there behavioral expectation on black candidates
that's not put on white candidates
when appealing to black voters?
Yes, yes.
Why do you think that is for black voters?
Why do you think we do that?
Because we see ourselves in them,
and if they're acting a certain way, No. White people are watching don't act like that. Exactly.
We expect them to represent all the different types of blacks.
The spectrum?
Yes.
So we've talked about a lot of stuff tonight.
Having said all of that about all of the Democratic candidates,
how many of you all still think Trump will win in 2020?
Do you honestly think that any of these Democrats could beat Trump?
If they all rallied for one.
There's so many people running.
So we all need to agree on who that one candidate is and then all the other candidates
support them.
Tell me who's that candidate.
Elizabeth Warren.
Trump 2020, baby.
Hold on, just hold on to say it. And there's a lesson for Democrats. You can't win the black vote vote the black the black vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote vote the black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black the black just hold on to say.
And there's a lesson for Democrats.
You can't win the black vote by pandering
because black people are as complex as any other voter base.
If you want our trust, make promises you can keep,
walk it like you talk it, and above all, keep the faith.
Father God, we call on you right now to pray for Chris. Chris, close your eyes, we're praying for you.
We ask you for the God to help Christopher.
Lord, if we respect Chris as a voter, Lord,
but we just hope his check engine like come on in November, Lord.
On election day, to just make sure that his truck does not start.
He's in many of the blessings we asking your name, Jesus name.
Amen.
It's a good talk.
Good talking to y'all.
Good talking.
Forward Junior, everybody. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is an MSNBC anchor, host of the Latina
to Latina podcast and author of the new book
The Likeability Trap.
Please welcome, Alicia Menendez.
Good back to the show.
So this book I feel speaks perfectly to what we are subconsciously dealing with in every
single debate. The likeability trap. How do you become likable as a candidate,
whilst at the same time still being yourself as a person?
Why is that so difficult to achieve?
It's difficult to achieve across the board
because likeability is so wildly subjective,
but it's particularly challenging for women.
If you are a woman who strives to lead, you are told one of two things.
You're either to too much too much too much ive, too aggressive, you need to tone it down,
or you're told you're not enough. You don't take up enough space, you don't take up enough oxygen,
you don't have what it takes to lead.
So women are told they can either be likable or they can't be them to be both. And when you talk about women candidates, what makes that so complicated
is that voters will vote for a man candidate,
even if they don't like him,
so long as they think he's competent.
For women candidates, they have to clear both hurdles.
Voters have to like them,
and they have to believe that they're competent.
It's interesting, because in because, because, because, because, because, A lot of media coverage has been geared towards discussing Elizabeth Warren's likeability,
you know, whereas people before, like let's say when Trump was running, they said, well,
you know, I don't like him, but I think he can get the job done.
And that was a common thread that went through the election.
In the book, you say something that's really interesting.
You talk about Hillary, thrown, thtalk about something that I didn't really pay attention to and that was when she was just doing it for the country.
She was Secretary of State.
When she was Secretary of State, people liked her.
Independence liked her, Republicans liked her, Democrats liked her.
And then immediately when she ran, people perceived it as now she was doing
it for herself and her likability dropped.
Why do you think that is? Well, with men, we presume that it's in men's nature
to want power and to grab for power.
When women do that, it violates this expectation
we have of women that they are communal,
that they'll act communal.
I mean, there's an irony in that, right?
Which is most women run for office
because they want to do something power grab, right? Because it's their name at the top of a ticket, and so it's seen as this singular act.
And so just the act of saying, I am a woman and I believe that I am worthy of power immediately
makes a woman less likable.
Chris Quinn, who'd run for the mayor of New York, said to me, the day you declare, you have a new negative. That's an interesting place to be in as a woman who is a candidate
because you're in a race where people are looking at your likeability
but then they're also looking at your track record,
which as you've seen, you know, people spoke about on the debate tonight.
Amy Clobyshire said, look, I think there is a double stand
for how much you have to have achieved as here. When you look at the trap, how do you think people can escape the trap?
How can a woman be likable if that is something
that someone needs to strive towards,
but then still achieve or be the best or be the leader,
et cetera?
You are doing such a good job of articulating how complicated this is. And women have been given two paths, right? We've either been told we can do this gender-correcting performance
where we like sit in our chairs and are cautious about how we use our hands
and how we use our voice, or we can just let it go.
We can just choose not to care about likeability.
I don't think either of those paths work, right? Because if you do the first one, then you put the responsibility, the responsibility, the responsibility, the responsibility, the responsibility, the responsibility, the responsibility, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, and, to, and, to, and, to, and, to, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, to, is, to, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe.e.r.r.r. toe. toe. toe. toe, toe, toe, to you put the responsibility of likeability back on women. If you do the latter, you don't, you're not being honest about how important likeability really is. And what I think we need to do is
push back on likeability as what it really is, a cover for bias, and say enough with it once and for all.
The powerful stand to make and you make a good case for it in the book. Thank you so much
for joining us on the show. A really fascinating look into the world of likeability. The likeability trap is available now. Alicia Menendez, everybody.
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