The Daily Stoic - Are You Spending This Wisely? | Lives Of The Stoics ( Antipater the Ethicist )

Episode Date: March 10, 2024

Today is that day many dread—the day the clocks spring forward. Yes, in the middle of the night, you lost an hour that you’ll never get back. An hour of sleep, an hour of leisure, an hour to spend with your kids. You mourn that loss of time, wondering all the ways you could’ve spent it otherwise.He is the pupil and successor of Dioghenes ho Babylonios (Diogenes of Babylon or of Seleucia) as head of the Stoic school. Antipater is also the teacher of Panaitios ho Rodos (Panaetius of Rhodes). In the field of ethics, Antipater seems to take a higher moral ground than that of his teacher Dioghenes.Today, Ryan reads from his book Lives of the Stoics: The Art of Living from Zeno to Marcus Aurelius to share the winding and often confounding story of one of the most important figures of Stoicism.To pre-order Ryan's latest book, Right Thing Right Now, click here.Don’t fall into this trap and join us TODAY for the Spring Forward challenge. It starts March 19 and is set up to push you to examine your habits, your choices, and your relationships to move you closer to living your best life here and now.✉️ Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Check out the Daily Stoic Store for Stoic inspired products, signed books, and more.📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Thank you for listening. Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of The Daily Stoke Podcast. I was doing a talk to a group of real estate agents and mortgage brokers in San Diego over the weekend. It was good. I got to swim in the pool, so I was excited about that. I haven't been able to swim with my ankle being all screwed up, so I got to swim in the pool. So I was excited about that. I haven't been able to swim with my ankle being all screwed up.

So I got to swim a little bit, that felt nice. And then when I got up on stage, I was doing my sort of normal talk and I made this little digression and I wanted to tell them about this, this stoic named Antipater. That's not a stoic most of you have heard of. I totally get it.

It's not a stoic I had heard of before I sat down to write lives of the stoics, but it's actually really, really interesting. And one of the reasons I brought him up was, again, what's so cool about the stoics is they weren't just thinkers and teachers. They talked about stuff in the real world. They faced real world dilemmas. And one of the ones that Antipotter talks about, he talks, like you're selling a piece of property. And what are you obligated to disclose? He wasn't saying, what does the law tell you

you have to disclose? Like if there's a plumbing problem or someone was murdered there, whatever. He's saying, what are you obligated to disclose as a person, as a human being, as a stoic? And these are the kinds of questions, the practical ethical questions that the stoics think a lot about.

And actually that I'm thinking about now with the book that I'm writing this book, Right Thing Right Now, which is about the Stoic virtue of justice that'll come out this summer. And actually you can pre-order that at dailystoic.com slash justice. But I got so excited thinking about Antipoder again. I wanted to bring you that chapter in today's episode of the podcast. And I hope you enjoy. You can listen to that now.

You can grab Lives of the Stoic, the audiobook, anywhere you get your audiobooks. I'll link to that. We can grab a signed copy in the Daily Stoic store at store.dailystoic.com. I think you're really going to like Antipoder. I find him fascinating and I think he will too. Are you spending this wisely? Today is a day that many dread, the day the clocks spring forward. Yeah, it's the middle of the night

and you lost an hour that you'll never get back. An hour of sleep, an hour of leisure, an hour to spend with your kids. You mourn that loss of time wondering all the ways you could have spent it otherwise. But isn't it always like this? Aren't we always looking back on our day, our week, our year and questioning where the time went, how we managed to lose so much of it without doing the things we really needed to do without becoming the person we really want to be? Seneca said that we should never spend an hour of our time without knowing what the return

was. He was saying that we can't waste time, that we can't just let life happen, that if we let the pages fall from the calendar and the days tick by, we'll never get them back because they belong to death now. And that isn't to say if they spend every minute working or focusing exclusively on productivity. On the contrary, you have to live, you have to know what you're spending your life on, You have to be aware Because each day we have an ability to send a message to the future through our choices and our actions We can decide to get up early to eat well to spend a few quiet But meaningful moments with someone we love these are the things that whatever the future holds We will look back on and be grateful to our past selves for doing and

We may well wonder years from now, how did I know I was going to need this? Well, we did. In the spirit of planting seeds like that for ourselves, of learning to spend our time wisely, we're doing something about it here at Daily Stoke. We're gonna do the Daily Stoke Spring Forward Challenge. Instead of just unthinkingly setting our clocks forward

or letting the devices do that for us What if we take a conscious step to spring our lives forward as we enter the spring and I hope you join us me and thousands of other stoves from me doing the challenge. It's a short 10-day challenge Built around really getting it together here as we start a new season I just want you to think about how you spent that last week, whether those last seven days were as efficient or productive as they could be, or where you wasted time,

where things were more complicated than necessary, where maybe you fell back on bad habits, where were you stuck in the doldrums of winter? And the Daily Stoic Spring Forward Challenge is set to push you to examine that and to most of all do something better about it. You can join me and all these Stoics. It's gonna start on the first day of spring,

so you don't have much more time to sign up. I wanna see it in there. Don't delay dailystoic.com slash spring. Get into the private community. There's gonna be a live Q and A with me and get all those challenges delivered every single day, dailystoic.com slash spring. Or if you join Daily Stoic Life, you'll get this challenge and all our challenges for free. I'll see you there. Antipater, the ethicist, born unknown, died 129 BC, origin

known, died 129 BC, origin, Tarsus. If Diogenes was the pragmatic politician, then his student Antipater, the next leader of the stoa, was the real-world ethicist. Practical, yes, but intent on establishing clear principles from which every action must descend. We don't know when Antipater of Tarsus was born or really any details of his early life in Tarsus, only that he succeeded Diogenes of Babylon as head of the Stoa after Diogenes' death sometime around 142 BC. What is obvious is that Antipater's worldview was very much defined by the influence of Diogenes and a reaction against his master's former

student, the seductive but amorphous Carniades. Where Carniades was content to argue contradictory positions on alternating days as he had in Rome, relishing the opportunity his newfound fame offered him to mislead his Athenian audiences at every turn, Antipater became a stickler for truth and honesty, where Diogenes had brought real-world politics to the realm of philosophy, or philosophy to the realm of real-world politics, and Tipitur sought to bring the practice of everyday ethics to all facets of life. And, as ambitious as his aims were, he brought a humility back to Stoicism, too. No one would find Antipotor fighting for the spotlight. He was too busy,

as a good philosopher should be working. Even the medium through which he made his arguments was relatable and ordinary. Previous Stoics had held forth at the Stoa and in theaters, but Antipotor opted out. Instead, he invited friends over for dinner to have long discussions about philosophy. Antheonius tells us in his book called The Learned Banquetters, written just after the time of Marcus Aurelius, Antipater was a wonderful storyteller at these gatherings, illustrating his points with powerful anecdotes. While supporters urged him to challenge Carniades' oratory with bombast of his own, and Carniades attempted to goad him into public debates,

Antipater channeled his energy into this dinner table diplomacy, as well as into written works aimed not at triumph over current rivals, but to help with the timeless trials of everyday life. Antipoters' quiet arguments were befitting a man with a fine-tuned sense for ethics, because on the page he could better articulate his views. In these small gatherings, he could really connect with an individual. He could get specific. He could be kind.

It also allowed him to see up close the needs, the wants, the struggles of real people, not just faces beneath the rostrum. Had he been born a couple thousand years later, one could easily imagine him having made a great advice columnist. If Diogenes had been the diplomat and statesman, we might picture Antipotor playing the political ground game, developing relationships, persuading in person, focusing on the individual, and improving their lives. For instance, Antipater was the first stoke to make strong arguments for marriage and family life, something that had been strangely neglected by earlier philosophers. Zeno had left no natural heirs, Cleanthes had no room in his frugal

existence for a wife. Chrysippus tried to be a single parent to his nephews when the need arose, yet ultimately he lived for his work. But Antipater broke new ground for Stoics by speaking passionately on the importance of choosing the right spouse and of raising good children. Trying to learn from Socrates' mistakes, he warned the young men he taught as he told them another story about Socrates' wife, who had a disagreeable reputation and a bad temper. If you don't choose whom to marry wisely, your wisdom and your happiness will be sorely tested." To antipotor a successful city and a successful world could only be built around the keystone of family. Marriage, he said to his students, was among the primary and most necessary of appropriate actions. Did Antipotor get married

himself? Was he a better husband and father than Socrates? The records are scant, but this sentence from his book on marriage sure makes it sound that way. Moreover, he said, it is the case that he, who hasn't experienced a wedded wife and children has not tasted the truest and genuine goodwill. Histoic can love and be loved? Absolutely. Not only can they, but they should, as Antipater clearly did. Michel Foucault, the 20th century French philosopher and social theorist, would credit Antipater

for pioneering a new concept of marriage, where two individuals blend their souls and become better for joining together, as opposed to some legal or economic transaction. As Foucault notes, the stoic Oikas, home, is perfected in marriage, creating a conjugal unit that can withstand the blows of fate and create a good life. It was an important and humanizing shift for a philosophy that was previously focused on maintaining the boundaries of indifference when it came to everyday life. As Diogenes Leiertas wrote, the Stoics came to approve also of honoring parents and brothers in the second place next after the gods. They

further maintained that parental affection for children is natural to the good, but not to the bad. It was thinking that would not only transform Stoic philosophy and then Roman life, but be absorbed into Christianity and the very world we live in today. Is that not the job of an ethicist and a far more important one than winning debates? Many early Stoics held that all sins and wrongs were equal. To be away from home when the argument is to be absent, whether you're one mile or a hundred miles distant. But of course, this is ridiculous. Being outside is not the same as being gone, just as murder is not the same as a lie,

even if both are far from ethical. Similarly, the lie of omission that Antipater's teacher Diogenes argued for in his caveat impatur, where the misdirection of a diplomat trying to shore up peaceful relations is not the same as a tyrant who manufactures a pretense for war at the cost of many lives. Antipater was a major force in moving the Stoics in this common sense direction. He loosened the absolutism of being either all virtuous or vicious. He stopped minimizing the indifferent things of daily life, who we marry, how we dress, what we eat, and brought ethics to the forefront of the philosopher's concern so that philosophy could be a productive life practice, a guide to living in operating system.

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or listen early and ad free on Wondry Plus on Apple Podcasts or the Wondry app. And again, we can imagine him modeling these very things at his dinner parties and in his daily life just as Zeno first modeled the way of the sage to Cleanthe's long before. Not that Antipater was the first stoic to care about practical ethics. Chrysippus had used his experience in sports to suggest a no-shoving principle, the idea that we should never cheat or resort to foul play in order to win. Antipater not only took it further, but proposed that ethical behavior or even sportsmanship was itself a kind of craft that required real work and effort.

For him, the human being in action is better understood as an archer. We train and practice. We draw back the arrow and aim it to the best of our abilities. But we know full well that despite our training and our aim, many factors outside our control will influence where the arrow hits the target or if it falls short entirely. This is what the pursuit of virtue is in real life. We study, we train until things become second nature. The moment arrives, we commit,

we hold what's right up as our target, we take action, but much happens after that, much of it not remotely up to us, which is why we know that our true worth doesn't reside in whether or not we get a bullseye. In the real world, we miss, sometimes by a lot, but we have to keep trying. The more we work on it, the better we get.

The more shots we take, the more times we'll hit the target, and the more good we'll do. It's hard to overstate again just what a big breakthrough this ethical model is. Just as Diogenes realized that philosophy would have to enter public life, and Tippeter made sure to bring it into private life too, he tried to help to solve for the real situations that humans face. Who should we marry? Is work or family more important? What rules should govern a transaction between two people when the law is not clear? Should we be honest, even if it will cost us money?

How do we treat those less fortunate than us? Does society owe anything to the poor or the unlucky? Monks would later argue about how many angels could fit on the head of a pin. Today, philosophers debate whether we're living in a computer simulation or how to respond to the so-called trolley problem. But the truth is that you will never have to pull a lever

to stop a trolley from running over one person or five. You have no way of knowing whether this life is real or an illusion. We do have, however, just as the citizens of Athens had, real concerns and decisions to make on a daily basis. And how these decisions are made in the polis affects the larger cosmopolists. The stoic idea of ochaosies, that we all share something and our interests are naturally connected to those of our fellow humans, was as pressing in the ancient world as it is today. Should we donate some of our income to charity?

Is it fair for some people to have more money and resources than others? Doesn't everyone have the right to be happy and live with dignity? Let us go back to the debate between Diogenes and Antipater about selling grain or a piece of property. Diogenes is right that the demands of commerce make full transparency unrealistic. But Antipater's concern is nuanced and important, finding the balance between acting justly and crippling self-defeating moralism. There is obviously a tension between self-interest and the interests of others. But are we not, at least in some way, all on the same team, as fellow citizens,

as fellow believers in justice? The man who fails to disclose faulty sanitation in a home he is selling may be helping his family's fortune, but it might come at the direct expense of another family's health or well-being. How is that fair? And doesn't the suffering of that family come at the cost of the success of the city of the state to which you are also apart. What's bad for the hive is bad for the bee, and vice versa, Marcus Aurelius would later

say it was an insight he drew straight from the life and work of Antipater. Antipater believed that our affinity for the common good was our primary obligation. Cicero preserved this argument. It is your duty to consider the interests of your fellow man and to serve society. You were brought into the world under these conditions and have these inborn principles, which you are in duty bound to obey and follow. That your interests shall be the interests

of the community and conversely, that the interests of the community shall be your interest. Diogenes, who had no problem stiffing the Romans, believed that the individual's good came first, arguing, as we saw, that knowing everything about your own moral state means more than protecting what others should find out on their own. Diogenes said, sure, stay within the bounds of what the law requires, but you don't have to do any more than that for others when it comes to business.

Professor Malcolm Schofield explained in Tipotor's views in this way, that just as we don't commit violence against one another, we shouldn't commit injustice against one another, and that we should treat others' interests as not alien from our own. How far was Antipotor willing to take these arguments? How radically did they affect his politics? It's interesting to see that one of Antipotor's students

and a prominent Roman teacher named Gaius Blosius would become involved in the Gracchus Affair, a controversial plot that sought to redistribute some of Rome's land to its poorest citizens. Tiberius Gracchus would be assassinated for this revolutionary idea, and Blosius, questioned by the Senate for being Gracchus' teacher and mentor, barely escaped with his life. And Tippeter was a very old man by this point, but one suspects he might have smiled at the thought of his student looking after the interests of the have-nots.

Certainly he would have agreed that vast income inequality was an issue a stoic in political service would need to address. Perhaps he even raised a toast to this at one of his quiet dinner parties after hearing that his former student had survived the inquiry of the consuls. Even Diogenes had he still been around, would have at least admired the political brilliance

of Gragas' populism. What's interesting is that Antipater thought that most of these ethical questions were pretty straightforward. His formula for virtue was in choosing continually and unswervingly the things which are according to nature and rejecting those contrary to nature. It was about making sure that our self-interest didn't override the inner compass each of us is born with. You've got to do the right thing, whoever you are, whatever you're doing, whether you're

Panateus, whom we will meet next on the world stage, or an ordinary citizen in the privacy of your home. Antipater died in 129 BC. The fear is that an ethical person living in an unethical world or an ardent dogmatist, as Antipater was once described by Cicero, would become bitter in old age. It's hard to protect this kind of spirit, and over a long enough life, it often does break, and the wound it leaves quite easily becomes infected. Not so with Antipater. Plutarch records that his last words were of gratitude. They say he writes that Antipater of Tarsus, when he was in like manner near his end and was enumerating the blessings of his life, he did not forget to mention his prosperous

voyage from home in Cilicia to Athens, just as though he thought that every gift of a benevolent fortune called for great gratitude and kept it to the last in his memory, which is the most secure storehouse of blessings for a man. And so the generations marched forward, a little better armed in the pursuit of virtue than they were before Antipotor walked the earth for his brief allotment of time. Thanks so much for listening. If you could rate this podcast and leave a review on iTunes, that would mean so much to us and it would really help the show. We appreciate it and I'll see you next episode. Hey Prime members, you can listen to the Daily Stoic early and add free on Amazon Music,

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