The Daily Stoic - Epictetus on How to Be Free

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

Today’s episode features an excerpt from Anthony Long’s translation of Epictetus How to Be Free: An Ancient Guide to the Stoic Life as part of Princeton University Press’s Anient Wisdom... For Modern Readers series. ✉️ Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛Check out the Daily Stoic Store for Stoic inspired products, signed books, and more.📱Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, prime members, you can listen to the Daily Stoic Podcast early and add free on Amazon Music. Download the app today. Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic Podcast. On Sundays, we take a deeper dive into these ancient topics with excerpts from the Stoic texts, from the Stoic texts, audio books that you like here recommend here at Daily Stoic, and other long form wisdom that you can chew on on this relaxing weekend. We hope this helps shape your understanding of this philosophy and most importantly that you're able to apply it to actual life. Thank you for listening. of life. Thank you get your podcasts. I've raved about Princeton University Press's Ancient Wisdom for Modern Reader Series, and today we have an excerpt from their edition of Epictetus, which I quite like, how to be free in ancient guide to the stoic life, translated by Anthony Long. And in it, epictetus talks about how being free
Starting point is 00:01:28 is a matter of being unobstructed by things that are out of your control. This is a guy who was a slave and he's saying, actually, I don't wanna be semantic here, but slavery isn't about illegal status. Slavery is about, are you in control of yourself, your desires and a versions? Epic Titus would say, who's deciding what you want and don't want, what your opinions
Starting point is 00:01:53 are or aren't your moods this way or that way? If we stop desiring things that are outside of our control, we cease to be a slave legal status or not. Epic Titus, of course, one of the great Stoke thinkers. I'm happy to bring you this audio excerpt. You can pick up the physical edition of the book here at the Painted Ports. I carry it. It's a great book.
Starting point is 00:02:15 I love it. I've got it here on my shelf. You can listen to it on audio anywhere. You get your audio books, iBooks, Audible, etc. And if you are interested in learning more about Epic Tidus, I just did this new kids book called The Girl Who Would Be Free, which is a fictionalized version of Epic Tidus and his slash her origin story to introduce your kids. Two stoicism more, maybe just remind you of the principles. I hope you can check that out anywhere books are sold but also at dailystoic.com slash girl. Thank you to Princeton
Starting point is 00:02:50 University Press for allowing this to excerpt this and do check out how to be free in ancient guide to the Stoic life. One, learning to desire each thing as it happens The person who was guessing an education ought to approach this process with the following aim. How can I follow the gods in everything? How can I be content with the Divine Administration and how can I become free? Well, you are free if nothing happens that conflicts with your will and if no one is able to obstruct you. What does that mean? Are you telling me that freedom is madness?
Starting point is 00:03:31 No, of course not. Freedom and madness don't go together. But I want my every wish to come to pass, however crazy that may seem. You really are mad. You are raving. Don't you know that freedom is something fine and wonderful? To be so happy go lucky in one's wishes as to want every whim fulfilled is tantamount to being the reverse of fine, utterly shameful in fact. Think how we proceed in the case of the alphabet, do I want to write the name Dio in whatever way I like? No, I am told to like it the way it should be written. How is it in music? Just the same. And so it is quite generally wherever some skill or expertise is involved. Otherwise, if knowledge were adjusted to everyone's individual
Starting point is 00:04:18 whims, there would be no point in learning anything. Is it only here then, in the case of the greatest and most important thing, freedom that I am allowed to be happy-go-lucky in my wishes? Not here, at least of all. Because education is precisely learning to want all individual things to happen just as they do happen. And how do they happen? In the way that the one who has arranged them has arranged.
Starting point is 00:04:45 He is arranged for there to be summer and winter, plenty and dearth, virtue and vice, and all such opposites on behalf of the harmony of the universe, and he has given each of us a body and bodily parts and property and fellow human beings. Mindful thereafter of this arrangement, we should proceed to education, not in order to change the conditions, for this is not granted to us, neither would it be better, but in order that, with things about us as they are and as their nature is, we may keep our minds in harmony with what happens. It's tell me then.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Is it possible to escape from people? How could that happen? But is it possible to change them by being in their company? Who gives us that option? What else is there then, and what resource can we find for dealing with them? The sort of resource whereby they will do what seems good to them, but we shall just assure thee be in harmony with nature. Yet you are unhappy and
Starting point is 00:05:45 discontented. If you are alone, you call it isolation, but if you are in company, you call people schemers and robbers. You even find fault with your parents and children and brothers and neighbors, but when you are alone, you should call it peace and freedom and liken yourself to the gods. And when you are in a group, you should not call it a crowd and a mob and an unpleasantness, but a party and a festival, and so accept everything cheerfully. What then is the punishment for those who don't accept, to be just as they are? A man doesn't like being alone, there's him be in isolation.
Starting point is 00:06:25 He doesn't like his parents. Let him be a bad son and a mom. He doesn't like his children. Let him be a bad father. Throw him in jail. What jail? You mean where he is now? For he is there against his will.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And wherever someone is against his will, there he is in jail. That's how Socrates was not in jail, because he was there willingly. 2. Freedom from emotional distress What is the fruit of these stoic doctrines? The very thing that has to be the finest and most fitting outcome for people who are getting a real education, tranquility, fearlessness, and freedom. For on these matters we should not trust the many people who say that education is only available to the free, but rather the philosophers who say that only the educated are free.
Starting point is 00:07:21 What do you mean by this? Well ask yourself about freedom in this time of ours, doesn't it consist simply in the power to live as we wish? Absolutely. Tell me then, you people, do you wish to live in error? We do not. That's right. No one is free who is in error. Do you wish to live in fear and sorrow and disturbance? Certainly not. So no one who is fearful or sorrowful or disturbed is free, but the person who is relieved of sorrows and fears and disturbances is relieved of enslavement by the very same process. 3.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Freedom from subservience Do you think freedom is something great and noble and valuable? Of course. Is it possible to be submissive if you obtain such a great and valuable and noble thing? It is not. So whenever you see someone groveling to another person, or flattering him insincerely, you can confidently say that this man also is not free, and not only if he is doing it for the sake of Amiga meal, but even if he is hoping for a governorship or a consulship. Call people who act like this for small things, petty slaves, and call the others as they
Starting point is 00:08:38 deserve slaves on the grand scale. You are right again. Do you think freedom is something in one's own power and self-determined? Of course. You can confidently say then that no man is free if someone else has the power to obstruct and compel him. And don't consider his family tree or investigate whether he was ever bought or sold, but if you hear him say yes sir within himself and with feeling, call him a slave even if he is proceeded by a consular retinue. And if you hear him say, pour me what thing shall I suffer, call him a slave. In short, if you see him wailing, complaining
Starting point is 00:09:19 and unhappy, call him a slave in official dress. If, however, he does none of these things, don't call him free yet, but examine his judgments to see whether they are in any way subject to compulsion or obstruction or unhappiness. And if you find him to be of that sort, call him a slave on vacation at the Saturnalia, and say that his master is away, soon he will come back, and then you will learn the nature of this man's sufferings. Who will come back? Everyone who has authority over anything that the man wants, either to get it for him,
Starting point is 00:09:55 or take it away from him. Do we have so many masters, then? Oh, yes. Prior to people, we have masters in the form of circumstances, and there are lots of those. For this reason then, everyone with authority over any of our circumstances is bound to be our master. Caesar himself you see is not what people fear. They fear death, exile, confiscation of property, prison, loss of citizenship.
Starting point is 00:10:23 In the same way no one loves Caesar himself, unless he happens to be an outstanding person. What we love are wealth and high position in government or military service. Whenever these are the things that we love and hate and fear, it must be the case that those who have authority over them are our masters. 4. Freedom to Ascent Without Impediment Is it possible for someone who desires any of the things that are up to others to be unimpeded? It is not.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Is it possible for them to be unconstrained? It is not. Therefore, they cannot be free, either. So think, do we have nothing that is exclusively up to us, or is everything like that, or are some things up to us and some things up to others? How do you mean? When you want your body to be completely sound, is it up to you, or is it not? It is not up to me.
Starting point is 00:11:22 And when you want it to be in good health, not that either. And when you want it to be handsome, know again, and when you want to live or to die, not that either. Therefore your body is not your own property, it is dependent on everything that is stronger than itself, granted. And is it up to you to have land whenever you want, for as long as you want, in the condition that you want? It is not, and likewise in the case of slaves, clothes, house and horses, none of these,
Starting point is 00:11:55 either. And if more than anything you want your children to stay alive, or your wife or your brother or your friends, are these things up to you? They are not. Have you then nothing that is self-determined, that is up to yourself exclusively, or do you have such a thing? I don't know. Well, look at it like this and think about it. Can anyone make you a scent to something untrue? No one can. Therefore, in the domain of scent, you are unimpeded and unconstrained. Granted, let's continue.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Can someone compel you to have a motivation for something you do not want? They can, whenever they threaten me with death or with fetters, they can tell me to have such a motivation. Suppose though that you disdain dying and being fetid, are you still going to pay attention to them? I am not. Is disdaining death your own function, then, or does it not belong to you? It is mine.
Starting point is 00:12:54 So being motivated is also your own function, or is it not? I grant that it is. And repulsion from something that is also yours. What if I am motivated to take a walk and another person impedes me? What part of you will they impede? Surely not you're a cent. No, but my poor body. Yes, as they would impede a stone. Let that be so, but the fact is that I don't continue with my walk. And who told you it is your function to walk unimpeded? What I have been telling you is that the only unimpeded thing is the motivation. Wherever there is a need for the body and the body's cooperation,
Starting point is 00:13:36 you have heard long ago that none of it is your own. I grant that as well. Can anyone compel you to desire something that you don't want? No one can. Can anyone exert compulsion over your intentions and projects, or to speak quite generally, can anyone manipulate the way you deal with the impressions you experience? Not that either. But when I do desire something, they will stop me from getting what I desire. But how will they stop you if you desire one of the things that are your own and not liable to impediment? In no way at all. So who is telling you that you can be free from impediment if you desire things that are
Starting point is 00:14:17 not your own? Am I not to desire health then? Certainly not, and nothing else that is not your own, because nothing is your own that is not up to you to procure or secure whenever you want. Keep your hands right off it. But first and foremost, keep your desire well away. Otherwise, you are giving yourself up to slavery and submitting your neck to the yoke, if ever you admire what is not your own, and feel strongly for things that are dependent on others and are perishable.
Starting point is 00:14:50 Isn't my hand my own? It is a part of you, but by nature it is clay, subject to impediment and compulsion, a slave to everything that is stronger. And why do I mention your hand to you? You should treat your entire body like a little overloaded donkey, just as long as that is possible and allowed to you. But if it is pressed into public service and a soldier seizes it, let it go and don't resist or grumble. If you do, you will get a beating and lose your little donkey just the same.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Since this is the attitude you need to have to the body, consider what you need to do about the rest of the things that one gets for the sake of the body. Since the body is a little donkey, everything else becomes bridals, saddles, shoes, barley and hay for the donkey. Let them go, too. Dismiss them more quickly and more easily than the donkey itself. Raising kids can be one of the greatest rewards of a parent's life. But come on, someday, parenting is unbearable. I love my kid, but is a new parenting podcast from Wondry that shares a refreshingly honest
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Starting point is 00:16:33 feel less alone. So if you like to laugh with us as we talk about the hardest job in the world, listen to, I love my kid, but wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Everything everywhere is perishable and vulnerable. If you get attached to some of them, even a little, you are bound to be troubled and discouraged, a prey to anxiety and distress. You will have desires that are unfulfilled and a versions that are fully realized. Are we not willing, therefore, to secure the only safety that has been granted to us,
Starting point is 00:17:21 to give up the perishable and slavish things and work on those that are imperishable and naturally free. Don't we recall that no one does injury or benefit to another, but that the cause of each of these things is a judgment? This is what does harm and wreckage. It is this that is battle, this that is strife, and this that is warm. What made it tear-clean and polonaisis the mortal foes that they were was simply this, their judgment concerning kingship and their judgment concerning exile. They judged the latter to be the worst of bad things, and the former to be the greatest
Starting point is 00:17:59 of goods. This is everyone's nature, to pursue the good and avoid the bad, and to regard a person who deprives us of the one and inflicts us with the other as an enemy and a schema, even if he is a brother or a son or a father, for nothing is more closely related to us than the good. So if these things are good and bad, no father is dear to his sons, and no brother is dear to his brother. But everything is full of enemies, plotters and informers. But if the right will is the only good thing, and the wrong will the only bad thing, what place is left for battle, what place for abuse, about what things, about things that are nothing to us, against whom,
Starting point is 00:18:44 against the ignorant, against the unfortunate, against people who have been deceived about what matters most. 6. Freedom of the will Look, my friend, you have a will that is by nature unimpeded and unconstrained. I will prove it to you, first in the area of a cent. Can anyone prevent you from ascending to a truth? No one can. Can anyone compel you to accept a falsehood? No one can. Do you see that in this area you have a will that is unimpeded, unconstrained, unhindered? Come now. Is it different in the area of desire and motivation?
Starting point is 00:19:26 Can anyone overcome a motivation? Accept another motivation? What can overcome a desire or an aversion? Accept another desire or aversion? Yet, if someone threatens me with the fear of death, they do compel me. What compel you is not the threat, but your decision that it is better to do something else rather than die. Once again, then, it is your judgment that compel you. In other words, will compel will. For if God, in taking from Himself His own special part, which He has given to us,
Starting point is 00:20:00 had constructed it to be impeded or constrained by himself or by something else, he would no longer be God or be caring for us as he should. If you so will it, you are free. If you so will it, you will blame no one, accuse no one, and everything will be in accord both with your own judgment and with God's. 7. Making correct use of impressions We are in down with many attributes that are uniquely requisite for rational creatures, but as you will find, we also share many faculties with the animals that lack ability to reason.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Do they too pay attention to what happens? By no means. Using and paying attention are quite different from one another. God needed the other animals as creatures that make use of their impressions, but He needed us as creatures who pay attention to how we use them. Therefore, it is sufficient for them to eat and drink and rest and compilate, and do everything else that each kind of animal does. For us, on the other hand, to whom God has also given the power of paying attention, these animal activities are no longer sufficient, but unless we act appropriately and methodically and in harmony with our individual nature and constitution,
Starting point is 00:21:17 we shall no longer attain our own ends. Beings that have different constitutions also have different functions and ends. In those whose constitution is designed for use alone, use of that constitution is quite sufficient. But those who have the additional power of paying attention will never attain their ends unless they exercise this faculty properly. What then is the consequence? God constituted each of the other animals, either to be eaten, or to serve in farming, or to produce cheese, or for some other comparable use. To perform these functions, what need do they have of the power to pay attention to impressions,
Starting point is 00:22:00 and to discriminate between them? But God introduced human beings to be students of Himself and His works, and not merely students, but also interpreters of these things. It is wrong therefore for us to begin and end whether non-rational animals do. We should rather begin where they do, but end when nature has ended in our case. Nature ended at studying and paying attention to things and a way of life in harmony with itself. See to it then that you do not die without having studied these things. 8. Freedom and Human Nature
Starting point is 00:22:41 All the other creatures have been left without the ability to pay attention to the world's divine government. Rational animals, however, have resources for reasoning about all these things, and to conclude that they themselves are a part of the world, a part of a particular kind, and also that it is right for the parts to give way to the home. Furthermore, since it is their nature to be noble, high-minded and free, they see that they are positioned in a world where some things are unimpeded and up to them, while other things are liable to impediment and up to others.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Things of the first kind belong to the sphere of the will, while those that are outside of it are liable to impediment. Accordingly, if rational animals were strict, their own good and interest to the former kind alone, the things that are unimpeded and up to themselves, they will be free, contented, happy, unharmed, high-minded, reverent, grateful to God for all things, never finding fault with anything that has happened, or blaming anyone. If on the other hand they identify their good and interest with things that are external and outside the sphere of the will, they are bound to be impeded and frustrated, subservient to those who have authority over the things that they have admired and fear.
Starting point is 00:23:59 They are also bound to be utterly irreverent, since they think that God has a grudge against them, and to be unfair, since they always grab more for themselves, since they think that God has a grudge against them, and to be unfair, since they always grab more for themselves, and they abound a lack self-respect and generosity. If you understand these truths, what has to stop you from living in a free and easy way, calmly accepting everything that can happen, and putting up with what is already taken place? Do you want me to be poor? Bring it on, and you will learn what poverty is when a good actor plays that part. Do you want me to hold office? Bring it on.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Do you want me to leave office? Bring that on too. Do you want me to endure pains? Bring them on as well. And XR? Wherever I go, I will be fine, because I was already fine here. Not on account of the place, but as a result of my principles, and I am going to take them with me. No one can take them away from me. They are my only possessions, irremovable ones that are enough for me wherever I am and whatever I do. But it's now time for you to die. Why do you say to die? Don't make it into a tragic business. Tell it as it is. It's now time for the material you are
Starting point is 00:25:14 made of to return to the source it first came from. What's terrible about that? What is the world about to lose of his contents? What's strange unheard-of thing is going to happen? Is it for this that the tyrant makes us afraid? Is this why the swords of the guards seem long and sharp? Let others worry about that. Having looked into it all, I find that no one has authority over me. I have been liberated by God. I have gotten to know his commands.
Starting point is 00:25:44 No one has power any longer to enslave me. I have the right kind of emancipator and the right kind of judges. 9. Freedom and Dignity Study the powers that you have, and then say, bring on now, O Zeus, whatever circumstance you like, for I have the equipment and resources bestowed on me by yourself to distinguish myself by means of the things that come to pass. No! You sit trembling for fear of what may happen, weeping, wailing and groaning of what actually
Starting point is 00:26:18 is happening, and then you put the blame on the gods. For the feebleness that you display amounts to nothing short of impiety. Yet God has not only given us these powers, as the means for us to bear everything that happens without being humiliated and crushed by them. He is also, like a good king and a true father, given them without impediment or constraint or hindrance. He has made them entirely up to us, without reserving even for himself any power to impede or hinder. Since you have these powers, free, and entirely your own, why don't you put them to use, and take cognacents of what gifts you have received, and from what donor you have received them instead of sitting grief stricken and groaning.
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