The Daily Stoic - It’s Not A Bad Experience | Living Like A Stoic For 30 Days

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

A night spent at the airport. A prison sentence. A two week bout with COVID. The crazy rush of the busiest season of the year for your business. We know we’re in for it. We dread it. We cur...se our fate.Actually, we should take a page from the great performance artist Marina Abramović, which she shares in her incredible book Walk Through Walls: A Memoir. She was known for her artistic feats of strength—whether it was days in a chair staring at strangers or inviting her audience to use 72 objects on her in any manner they please. In the middle of a project that would test both her and her partner Ulay emotionally and physically, Abramović once encouraged him, “we are not having a good or bad experience. We are having an experience in a period of 16 days. Whatever comes—good or bad—we are in it.”✉️  Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Check out the Daily Stoic Store for Stoic inspired products, signed books, and more.📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 It's not a bad experience. A night spent at the airport, a prison sentence, the crazy rush of the busy season of the year in your business's history. We know we're in for it, we dread it, we curse our fate. Actually, we should take a page from the great performance artist Marina Abramovich, which she shares in her incredible book Walk Through Walls, a memoir. She was known for her artistic feats of strength, whether it was days in a chair staring at strangers or inviting her audience to use 72 objects on her in any manner they please. In the middle of a project that would test her and her partner Ule both emotionally and physically, she once encouraged him, Ule, we are not having a good or bad experience, we are having an experience in a period of 16 days, whatever comes, good or bad.
Starting point is 00:01:47 We aren't in it. This is exactly what the Stoics meant when they said that events were objective but our opinions about them were not. Marcus' reign of 19 years or Seneca's 8 years of exile were not good or bad, they just were. Same goes for epictetus's time in slavery or stockdales time in the Hanway Hilton or Seneca's time recovering from tuberculosis. They didn't have time for nor see any need for labels. It was all they could do to focus on what was in front of them. Wasn't their job to put opinions on things? It was their job to get through them, to do their best to be virtuous inside them, to make something of them.
Starting point is 00:02:26 And so it goes for you and whatever intermittable period lays before you. It's not good or bad, it is inexperience. What will you make of it? Will you be in it? That's what counts. That's what matters. That's what you control. That's my Amor Fati coin, which we've talked about before, but to me, that's what Amor Fati is. Yeah, it's not good or bad, but you can choose actually to see it as good. You can embrace it, you can beat in it,
Starting point is 00:02:55 you can make something of it. Not merely to bear it, as Nietzsche said, but to love it. And I love this little coin of care with me everywhere, you can check that out at store.dailystoic.com. Hey, this is Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of Daily Stoic Podcast. As you know, in my books, I try not to talk too much about myself.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I talk more about these ancient ideas. I just don't want it to be like, try not to talk too much about myself. I talk more about these ancient ideas. I just don't want it to be like, well, let me tell you about the problem I was having on Tuesday and why that can teach you a stoic lesson. I try to make it about something deeper, something bigger, something more relatable than myself, but I do, I do try to live by these ideas and I try to live by them in the busyness of my life, which is busy because I've got two young kids. It's busy because I travel for work. It's busy because I've run this bookstore. It's busy because I have this podcast
Starting point is 00:03:48 and all this other stuff. And it's busy because it's a busy, crazy world out there. But in today's episode, I wanted to take you behind the scenes of my life over a month period. This was recorded and shot and edited back in April. But this is a month of my life. I was traveling for some talks. I was, took my family on vacation. I lost someone that I loved. It was a busy April to say the least
Starting point is 00:04:13 and stoicism was there for me guiding me, helping me. I tried to live up to it. I didn't always get there, but that's the journey that we're all on. But in today's episode, I wanted to walk you through a month of my life as I try to live up to this philosophy. Maybe you'll find it interesting, maybe you will find it relatable, and hopefully you'll find some takeaways. But I'll give you this, living like a stoat. As best I can, let's put that in parentheses.
Starting point is 00:04:38 As best I can for 30 days. The beginning and the end of the month were defined by two different kinds of writing. It started for me with putting the final touches on my next book. Now comes the most excruciating part of finalizing a book, which is I have the copy edited man he's scripted back of discipline as destiny. I've got till the end of the month to turn back what are invariably minor repetitive mistakes or issues or you just have to go over and over and over again, but the little things matter. Now I have to deal with about 250 pages of them and I don't have that much time to do it so I'm just gonna get to work. I'm gonna rip the bandit off and just get after it.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Right now I'm working on a four book series on the Cardinal Virtues. Just finished last year my book on Courage, and now doing this one on Temperance or Moderation, and I've finished that book up, and I got the draft in, which is always a stressful, difficult thing. There's always this moment of anticipation,
Starting point is 00:05:42 or they're gonna like it. You also can't let perfection be the enemy of good enough. I had to get this book in. So I got it in at the beginning of the month that it goes to the publisher. They're designing it, laying it out. And I didn't get to see it until the end of the month. And that was now then a mad sprint
Starting point is 00:05:57 to approve these print pages. It was an awesome surprise. I came home one day and there was the book at my driveway. In the midst of that writing, there is the daily writing practice that I have. So I'm always writing the daily stoke emails, the daily dad emails articles, I'm always writing. To me, I want to stay at my fighting weight. There's this great quote, if you're only writing when you're inspired, you're an amateur, and say, inspiration is for amateurs, professionals get to work, that's what I do. I show up every day and I do some writing.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Stoicism is, of course, not just something I write about, but it's something I'm lucky enough to talk about. So I got an invitation to come address the Ole Miss football team. Lane Kiffin, the football coach, has been a big fan and booster of my works over the years. He read, he goes, the enemy at one of the lower points and it's career and he sort of credits it
Starting point is 00:06:41 with helping him get back to where he is, which today is the head football coach at Ole Miss, which is having an incredible run the program set at Historic Season in a bunch of ways. And he was nice enough to ask me to come talk today. So I'm here in Oxford, Mississippi. I just went for a long run to see the campus. I wanted to see some of the civil rights markers. I wanted to see the walk of champion.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Every second, every minute, every ounce of energy that we focus on whether something's fair or not, whether it be light something or not, whose fault something is, our equation with otherwise, right? All of that is taking resources and energy away from what we do about how we respond. And then I had a really cool meeting with Lane Kiffin afterwards. We sat down and talked about how to apply these ideas. He's a big fan of Ego as the enemy. We talked about how Ego makes its way through professional sports.
Starting point is 00:07:51 It was really great to talk about these philosophical ideas than awesome program. Then I came home and I was actually doing my own athletic things. 10,000 has been a cool sponsor and boost try to usually wear their clothes almost every day. They had me do a photo shoot, so I had to do a run downtown here along the river. So I was recording some stuff for them.
Starting point is 00:08:09 And then the next thing, I was only home a couple days, and I had to hop back on a plane to fly the Annapolis, Maryland, where I was speaking at the Naval Academy. I'm in Annapolis, Maryland. I'm about to give a talk to a thousand freshmen at the US Naval Academy.
Starting point is 00:08:22 So I'm hoping to bring Epic Titus and Seneca and Mark Surrealist to all the midshipmen and women here at the US Naval Academy. I mentor the great writer, Robert Green. He says that teenagers, but I think this is true for all of us, we strike a somewhat paradoxical pose. We're lackadaisical and rebellious. It's a way of staying in place,
Starting point is 00:08:45 because if we try hard, if we do our best, if we put ourselves all the way out there, it brings an increased risk of failure. And then when we fail, right, it says something about us. Again, I said I probably traveled more than I'd like to travel this month. I tried to protect my schedule,
Starting point is 00:09:02 but I had a really crazy week in the month where I had to fly up to Chicago to give a talk and I spoke in this big church. His life is green room in Chicago. It sees the life of what's going on on stage. And now I'm gonna call my wife, and kids, talk to them before, and go on. To me having this is simpler and more in our control than perhaps we're led to believe.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I only had 30 minutes and then a quick interview. So that was a kind of in and out talk, I was gone for basically less than 24 hours. I'm home. We have a day and a half of our normal routine. And then I had a late flight from Austin to Miami where I gave a talk to Honeywell. Well, it's midnight and I have now arrived in Boca, Riton, Florida. My daily routine as I was telling you is that I get up early and go for run. I actually have to report for the talk at 8.20. So I have to get up pretty early. So I'm just going to crash, go to sleep, and get after it in the morning. There are definitely worse places to report for the talk at 8.20. So I have to get up pretty early, so I'm just gonna crash, go to sleep,
Starting point is 00:10:05 and get after it in the morning. There are definitely worst places to be in the morning than in Beach and Florida at 6am. I'm gonna go for a run, I'm prepping for my talk, trying to be present for it, trying to appreciate it, trying to soak it in. It's 7 a.m. and Florida. I already ran five miles on the beach. I prepped for my talk, and then I'm going on stage in about 20 minutes to about 700 people. To me, the morning routine is so essential, right? You wake up early, you get a win right there, then you
Starting point is 00:10:44 go do something, you get active, you get outside, second win, and then you go do whatever the hard thing you have to do for the day is. So for me, that's the talk, and I'm gonna go back to my hotel room, I'm gonna do a little writing, and then that's the day I've already won
Starting point is 00:10:57 everything else from there is extra. As they say, well begun is half done, start the day off, right? Everything from there is a bonus. It's a glamorous life. I'm scarfing down some food, the Palm Beach Airport, before I get on a plane again. Now to fly up to New York.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I'm having a talk at a dinner in New York. And then I fly out very early the next morning in New York, so water, possible sandwich from Starbucks. Then I'm gonna try to get some reading done on the plane. Then I flew from Palm beach to New York City and then I gave a talk to a hedge fund there in New York City. It was a much smaller group. It's kind of like really in this restaurant,
Starting point is 00:11:33 but it was much more intimate. Lots of great questions. It's cool to talk there. One of the things I do when I'm traveling is I always try to send a letter to a letter or a postcard to my kids, into my wife. So I drop those in the mail. Then I was home and, my wife, so I dropped those in the mail.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Then I was home and, you know, life is life, and a fact of life is death. I got a call from my mom that my grandmother, who was 85, had taken the turn for the worst. Now, we drove out to see her last year during the pandemic. What we knew was probably gonna be the last time that we saw her. And my kids got to see her and it was really awesome and we connected and it was wonderful to be together,
Starting point is 00:12:09 but I knew it probably didn't have that much longer and had a conversation with her on the phone, and then she died later the next morning, which was really sad and devastating. And someone I miss a lot, my grandmother is an immigrant. She came to the United States. Eighteen's early twenties, refugee didn't speak the language. She eventually met my grandfather, also a refugee from Europe. They built a life together. He was a German teacher. She was a state home mom.
Starting point is 00:12:36 She raised four daughters. And so she went back to work in her forties, I think. She was a saleswoman at JC Penny. She's like an American success story, in a lot of ways, she lived a long, difficult, but not unrewarding life, and the end of that story for all of us is dead. Tragically, but just also a fact of existence.
Starting point is 00:12:56 We all are born, and we know that we will die. But this is why the Stokes Remind us of Momentum Warrior. Have my a Moment Mori practice. Life is short. You can't take it for granted. You can't take time for granted. One of the things I did do, and I do this every time I lose someone that I care about, is I read, I reread Seneca. Seneca writes these two brilliant essays called Consolations, one to his mother, one to the daughter of a friend, and I was rereading the Seneca's Consolation to his mother, who was grieving the loss not just of a grandchild at this time,
Starting point is 00:13:26 but Senaqa himself, who'd just been exiled. She's sort of working through it. And Senaqa says, what is stoicism offered? His stoicism offers counsel. It offers counsel, something to lean on in precisely these moments when we've lost someone. [♪ Music playing in background, music playing in background, One of the things my wife and I try to do on Fridays or Saturdays is get some time either alone or with the kids where we're just outside with each other.
Starting point is 00:13:53 We're not running around, we're not crazy. We love to eat at this place near the bookstore here called Storehouse. We had a couple beautiful dinners throughout the month. We just try to connect. It's beautiful here. You can watch the sun setting over the Colorado River. You just experience the beauty of life and these sort of ordinary meals are I think a wonderful place to have philosophical discussion. Which I also had a
Starting point is 00:14:15 managed nobly came out to the painted porch. We sat down had a nice philosophical breakfast here at the painted porch. That was cool. One of the things I was really looking forward to this month, I've been there before, but my kids really wanted to go, and I, after spending so much time writing this book, I wanted to make sure we had some extra time together. And so we drove out to Big Bend National Park, which is the only national park here in Texas.
Starting point is 00:14:38 We're off to Big Bend this morning. We're taking the family and the camper. Basically, our routine there was, instead of the walk at the farm, we took these awesome hikes in the morning before it got too hot, so we hiked Santa Elena Canyon, we walked the closed canyon, we went on to the hot springs, and it was just beautiful. Then we would come home to the camper and it's a reminder.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I mean like, look, when I travel for these talks, sometimes they're very well paid, sometimes they put me up in super nice fancy hotels and as they fly me first class. And I was like to spend time with my family in a camping spot that costs $30. In the middle of the desert, and to know that what my kids really care about is not just nature, but the fact that there's a swimming pool. We're just having fun together. And then right at the end of the month, you know, I was a little too busy. I didn't, I knew it was coming, but kind of snuck up on me.
Starting point is 00:15:50 But this is my absolute favorite time of year because where we live in central Texas, out of the country, it's wild blackberry season or do berries, bramble berries. They call them a million things, but all along the road and all along that some of the backpasture we live, it's just delicious wild blackberries just come up from nowhere. And I love picking them with my kids, I love putting them in cereal, I love what my wife bakes with them. I love just the satisfaction and the pleasure of like disconnecting from work and trying to see who can get the most and the shortest amount of time.
Starting point is 00:16:26 And of course, what would a month be without reading? My friend Tristo, my former research assistant who I mentioned earlier, recommended this book on justice because he knows the next book in the four book series I'm working on is about justice and there's a lot of stuff. So when I read, I've shown my methodology before, but I take a lot of notes, I fold pages, so this one is really good. I got some stories you'll probably see in a future book. I keep a copy of meditations on my bedside, so I went through that.
Starting point is 00:16:50 One of the books I read every morning is Tolstoy's A Calendar of Wisdom. I love daily reads. Robert Green's The Daily Laws is another one I recommend that I spend some time with this month. I told you that every time I lose someone that I care about, or I have to recommend a book to someone who is going through that. I do centricas on the shortness of life. I do read novels, people think I only read nonfiction,
Starting point is 00:17:11 but my wife recommended Saro and Bliss, which is this beautiful novel about depression. Surprisingly funny. I read this while I was traveling, I like that. I read Susan Cain's new book, I love her book, Why It, about introverts as an introvert myself. Her new book, Bit love her book, Why It, About Introverts, As An Introvert Myself. Her new book, Bittersweet,
Starting point is 00:17:27 about sort of the melancholy side of life. Because I was speaking at the Naval Academy, I was very excited that Admiral Steph Riddis sent me a galley of his new book about Navy, Admiral's, and captains who took huge risks. There's a lot of great stories in here, and I read this on my way to the Naval Academy. While I was in Big Bend,
Starting point is 00:17:44 I read this new book from Steve Ronella about how to raise outdoor kids in inside worlds. Obviously, I'm bookish, obviously I spend a lot of time for on screens, but I also live in the country, I also love the outdoors, and how do you raise a kid that appreciates that and understands the beauty of the outdoors? Anyways, this is a great book.
Starting point is 00:18:05 I really liked it. I interviewed him for the podcast as I was saying. I read The Mayor of Castro Street, Biography of Hard to Do Milk. The Think of Stokes is apathetic or passive, except in the status quo. In fact, they change things. They make the world better.
Starting point is 00:18:18 So as I'm starting to think and research for the next book in the series about justice, I'm looking for people who were pioneers, who made changes, who brought new awareness to things and this biography was fascinating. Some stuff to do, some stuff not to do, but overall a great book, we've got to read it. And then this one was highly recommended to me.
Starting point is 00:18:35 It's about Gandhi, but not Gandhi in India. I'm reading that one next, but this is Gandhi, the activist in South Africa. He went to school in London and then immigrated to the colony of South Africa where he suddenly faced all this scene and you're really similar to what later happened in America, sort of Jim Crow S. Laws. So I don't know, this is probably two, three thousand pages worth of books, but when you treat reading like a job and you take it seriously, you can get a lot done and in a normal month
Starting point is 00:19:05 I'm at home more so it's actually harder for me to read because I was traveling so much time and airplanes I try not to watch TV Or movies I try not to space out. I don't need I just sit and I read on the airplane I get a lot done and this is a great reading for me But I think of the main lessons of this month. I think there's a couple a big one is of course It's easy to over commit and be too busy, right? When I look at the calendar and when I was starting to get stressed, my wife and I laid the calendar down, we wrote everything out that we had to do for the month.
Starting point is 00:19:34 And it was too much. It's a calibration as the world kind of adjusts and we embrace like whatever this phase of the pandemic is. I agreed to more than I wanted. And so I emailed my speaking agency and I said, this is as busy as I would ever want to be. This is the line, can't go past it. So that's important from a like, work-life balance standpoint,
Starting point is 00:19:55 but also professionally by drawing the line, by creating scarcity, here's what I'm willing to do, here's what I'm not willing to do, here's how many slots there are, just to increase value. So saying no to me is the big lesson. Memento Mori that life is short, you can't take people for granted.
Starting point is 00:20:08 You have to be with them while you can be with them. And this is something I remind myself of every night when I talk to my kids in the bed. I'm not rushing through this. I'm not rushing to try to get them to sleep. I'm not saying no, I'm not going to read you one more book. Because what am I rushing towards? Netflix, you know, email, none of that stuff matters,
Starting point is 00:20:25 but I'm also rushing away from one of however many nights I get with my kids. I'm rushing away from them as three year olds and five year olds. I'm rushing away from this moment. And I don't wanna do that. I wanna be in this moment. Presence to me is an important lesson
Starting point is 00:20:43 and you just have to practice it. And actually, it's funny, one of the things we rolled out for daily stoke this month is this memento mori calendar. This your life is made up of roughly 4,000 weeks. This month was, you know, four weeks. How did I spend those four weeks? Did I live those four weeks? Seneca says death isn't something in the future. Death is happening now. Yes, my grandmother died now, but she died slowly over 85 years. She actually exceeded the 4,000 weeks on the chart,
Starting point is 00:21:12 which is great, that's wonderful. But what do you have to show for those weeks? And she had a wonderful life. But if I was just on autopilot this month or today or this minute, I'm rejecting that gift. I'm not being present. I'm taking life for granted. And then, you know, I had tattooed on my wrist here
Starting point is 00:21:31 and I talked about it in a couple of the different talks I gave it. When I think of all the moments that I'm happiest, that I did my best work, you know, I wasn't doing 50 things at one time. I was connected. I was present. I tuned things out.
Starting point is 00:21:42 The Stokes talk about adoraxia, right? Not being disturbed by internal or external forces. But I think the idea is like, you don't control what's happening in the world. You don't control necessarily how busy your manteas are all the things that could go wrong. So you have to find a way to be still and content and focused in the midst of that. There's a letter from Seneca where he's in Rome trying to write and there's crazy noises going on, and someone's getting arrested, and, you know, the room's too hot, you have to be able to tune all that out
Starting point is 00:22:10 and focus, especially as a writer in this digital world, where there's alerts and interruptions in time to, can you focus amidst the crates? Can you be still as the world is spinning faster and faster around you? Because if you can't, not only you're not gonna perform at a good level, you're gonna miss all the wonderful moments,
Starting point is 00:22:27 you're gonna miss the sunset, you're gonna miss the dinner with people that you care about, you're gonna miss the sweetness of that bedtime, you're gonna miss all the little things that Marcus really observes, you know, grains of wheat bending under their own weight or, you know, the furrow of an animal's brow or the way that bread splits open,
Starting point is 00:22:44 you're gonna miss the ordinary, extraordinaryness of life. And so, when I think about this month, I think about the time that I spent with my kids, I think about the progress that I made on my book, I think about the runs that I took on the beach, and all of that to me made it a wonderful month. I hope you liked this video. I hope you subscribe.
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