The Daily Stoic - The Life Of Seneca The Striver

Episode Date: July 9, 2023

In today’s audiobook reading, Ryan narrates the chapter on Seneca the Striver from his own best-selling guide to all the major Stoics, Lives of the Stoics: The Art of Living from Zeno to Ma...rcus Aurelius. As one of the seminal figures of Stoicism, Seneca the Younger led a fascinating and hugely influential life full of the peaks and valleys that come with a relentless pursuit of greatness. ✉️ Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Check out the Daily Stoic Store for Stoic inspired products, signed books, and more.📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic podcast. On Sundays, we take a deeper dive into these ancient topics with excerpts from the Stoic texts, audiobooks that we like here recommend here at Daily Stoic, and other long form wisdom that you can chew on on this relaxing weekend. We hope this helps shape your understanding of this philosophy and most importantly that you're able to apply it to your actual life. Thank you for listening. Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoke Podcast. Sena is the most fascinating of the Stokes because he's the most complex. He's the best writer. He's the most clear about sort of what a stoic should be and shouldn't be.
Starting point is 00:01:07 And yet his behavior, his action, his life is incredibly complex. Right? He works for a Neuro. He's banned. He's exiled by one emperor for supposedly cheating with the emperor's sister, right? He becomes extraordinarily wealthy. It's all very complex. There's a couple book recommendations here in this regard,
Starting point is 00:01:29 dying every day by James Rom, who's been on the podcast a couple of times to carry that in the Pated Porch, Emily Wilson's biography on Seneca, the greatest empire is fantastic and fascinating. I would love to have her on the podcast. I've asked many, many times. And another one, somewhat selfishly,
Starting point is 00:01:48 is Lives of the Stoics. I dig in and do a considerable deep dive on each of the major Stoics. Zeno, the founder, hepatitis, of course, Cato, Cicero, Marx-Rillis, and Seneca. And I kind of try to give,
Starting point is 00:02:02 in the book, I try to give each one of the Stoics, like a name, a superlative that kind of try to give, in the book, I try to give each one of the stills, like a name, a superlative that kind of describes who they are. And I call him Senaika, the striver, because inside the sort of austere stoic, there's also this person inside Senaika that wants to be great, be famous, be remembered forever. He would love that we're talking about him today, whereas Marcus purported not to care at all. So That's what we talk about in today's episode. I'm actually bringing you a whole excerpt of me
Starting point is 00:02:30 doing I'm bringing you the life of Seneca my version of Seneca's life in Lives of the Stokes which I co-wrote with my dear friend and creative partner Steve Hanseman who I did the daily Stoke with you can pick up Lives and Stokes anywhere books or so you the audio book, which this is pulled from. So thanks to Penguin Random House Audio for letting me grab that. And you can get sign copies at store.dailystoke.com. I'm really proud of this book. Sennaka was one of the people. I really sunk my teeth into, I think that'll come across here. So here is my life of Seneca. Enjoy. Hi, I'm David Brown, the host of Wonder East Podcast Business Wars. And in our new season,
Starting point is 00:03:17 two of the world's leading hotel brands, Hilton and Marriott, stare down family drama and financial disasters. Listen to business wars on Amazon music or wherever you get your podcasts. Seneca, the striver, born for BC, died 65 AD. Origin, Corduba, Spain. It would please Lucius Anius, Suba, Spain. It would please Lucius Anius Senica very much to know that we are still talking about him today. Unlike many of his fellow Stoics who wrote of the worthlessness
Starting point is 00:03:55 of Postgymus fame, Senica craved it, worked for it, performed for it, right down to the last moments of his life and the theatrical suicide that would rival Kato's. Unlike Jesus who was born the same year as Seneca in an equally far-flung province of the Roman Empire, there was little meekness or humility in Seneca. Instead, there was ambitious and talent and a will
Starting point is 00:04:21 to power that not only rivaled but surpassed Cicero's. Contemporaries may have believed that Cicero was a better writer and speaker, but Ceneca is the more widely read figure today for good reason. No one has written more cogently and relatively about the struggles of a human being in the world, their desire for tranquility, meaning, happiness, and wisdom. The readership of the essays and letters Senaqa wrote over his long life has not only eclipsed Cicero's, but in the long run, likely all the other Stoics combined as well, just as he had aimed all along. Born in 4 BC in Corduba, Spain, modern Cordoba, the son of a wealthy and learned writer known to history as Seneca the Elder, Seneca the
Starting point is 00:05:08 younger was destined for great things from birth. So were his brothers Novatus, who became a governor, and Meila, who son Luke and carried on the family's writing tradition. Entering the world near the end of the reign of Augustus, Seneca was the first major stoic with no direct experience of Rome as a republic. Seneca knew only of the Empire. In fact, he would live through the reigns of the first five emperors. Never did he breathe in the freedom of Roman Libertas that Cato and his predecessors had all enjoyed. Instead, he spent his entire
Starting point is 00:05:46 life attempting to maneuver within the turbulent court regimes of increasingly autocratic and unpredictable power. Yet for all these changes, his childhood remained more or less identical to those of the philosophers who had come before him. His father selected Adalus the Stoic to tutor his boy, primarily for the man's reputation for eloquence, wanting to imbue his son, not just with a righteous mind, but one capable of communicating these ideas clearly and convincingly in Roman life. His son took to education with gusto by Seneca's own telling as a child she'd cheerfully laid siege to the classroom and was the first to arrive in the last to leave it.
Starting point is 00:06:30 We know that Adalis didn't tolerate squatters, the kinds of students who lounge around and listen or at best take notes so as to memorize and repeat what they have heard. Instead it was an active process process with debating and discussion and involved both the teacher and the student. The same purpose should possess both master and scholar Adelis said of his methods and ambition in one case to promote and the other to progress. By progress, Adelis had more in mind than just good marks and the appearance of being articulate. His instruction was as much moral as it was academic, and he spoke at length to his promising young student about sins, errors, and the evils of life.
Starting point is 00:07:14 He was an advocate for that core stoic virtue of temperance and still in Insenica life-long habits of moderation and diet and drink, causing him to give up oysters and mushrooms to Roman delicacies. He poked fun at pomp and luxury as fleeting pleasures that did not contribute to lasting happiness. You must crave nothing, Adelis told Seneca, if you would vie for Jupiter craves nothing.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Learn to be content with little and cry out with courage and with greatness of soul. But the most powerful lesson that Seneca learned from Adalus was on the desire to improve practically in the real world. The purpose of studying philosophy he learned from his beloved instructor was to take away with him some one good thing every day. He should return home as sounder man or on the way to becoming sounder. Like countless young people since, Seneca experimented with different schools and ideas, finding value and stoicism, as well as the teachings of a philosopher named Sextius. He read and debated the writings of Epicurus from a supposedly rival school. He explored the teachings of Pythagoras and even
Starting point is 00:08:25 became for a time of vegetarian based on Pythagorean teachings. It's a credit to Seneca's father and a reminder to father's sins that he patiently indulged this period and encouraged a range of study for his son. It can take a while for precious young people to find themselves and forcing them to curtail their curiosity is expedient, but often costly. What Senaiko was doing was developing a range of interests and experiences that would later enable him to create his own practices. From sexist, for example, he learned the benefits of spending a few minutes in the evening before bed with a journal.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Combining this with a kind of probing moral reflection that Adelaide had taught him. I avail myself of this privilege, you would later write of his journaling practice. And every day I plead my cause before the bar of self. When the light has been removed from sight and my wife, long aware of my habit, has become silent. I scan the whole of my day and retrace all my deeds and words. I can seal nothing from myself. I omit nothing. Why should I shrink from any of my mistakes when I may commune thus with myself?" This part of Seneca, his earnest commitment to self improvement firm, but kind, see that you don't do that again, he would say to himself, but now I forgive you,
Starting point is 00:09:45 was beloved by his teachers and clearly encouraged, but they also knew why they had been hired, and that his father, no fan of philosophy, was paying them to train his son for an active and ambitious political career. So this moral training was balanced out by rigorous instruction in the law, in rhetoric, in critical thinking. In Rome, a promising young lawyer could appear in court as early as age 17, and there is little doubt that Seneca was ready as soon as he was legally able. Yet just a few years into this promising career only in his early 20s, Seneca's health nearly cut it all short.
Starting point is 00:10:23 He had always struggled with a lung condition, most likely tuberculosis, but some sort of flare up in 20 AD, forced him to take an extended trip to Egypt to recover. Life takes our plans and dashes them to pieces. As Seneca would later write, we should never underestimate Fortions' habit of behaving just as she pleases,
Starting point is 00:10:44 just because we have worked hard, just because we are showing promise and our path towards success is clear, has no bearing on whether we will get what we want. Seneca certainly wouldn't. He would spend something like 10 years in Alexandria in convalescence, and while he didn't control that, he could decide how he would spend that time. So he spent the decade reading and writing and building up his strength. His uncle there served as a prefect of Egypt, and we can imagine it was here that Seneca was given his first real education in how power operated. We can also imagine him pining for and plotting a return. While he was away, he received news that would foreshadow the arc of his own life. Adalys had somehow run afoul of Tiberius, the emperor, who confiscated his property
Starting point is 00:11:34 and banished him from Rome. Senaq's beloved tutor would spend the rest of his years making ends meet in exile, digging ditches. To be a philosopher and imperial Rome was to walk a razor's edge, Senika was learning, and it was to accept that the fates were fickle and that fortune could be cruel.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Senika's return to Rome at 35 and 31 AD would only reinforce this later lesson on the journey home his uncle was killed in a shipwreck. Senika also arrived in time to see one of Tiberius' most trusted military commanders and advisors condemned by the Senate and torn to pieces by the mob in the streets. It was a time of paranoia and violence and political turmoil. Into this, Senaika took his first public office, serving as Quester by virtue of his family connections.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Seneca kept his head down during Tiberius' reign, which lasted until 37 AD and through Caligulas, which was considerably shorter but just as violent. In his book on the Tranquility of Mind, Seneca would later tell the story of a stoic philosopher who he admired, named Julius Canis, who was ordered to be murdered when he ran a foul of Caligula. As Canis waited for the executioner, he played a game of chess with a friend. When the guard came to lead him away to his death, he joked, you will testify that I was one piece ahead. Seneca noted not only the quips philosophical brilliance, but also the kind of fame it
Starting point is 00:13:05 won for its owner in this terrifying time. He could have easily seen himself in the man's shoes, for he too walked the razor's edge of life and death under such an unstable king. According to Diocasius, Sennaka was saved from execution for what offense we do not know only by his ill health. Seneca, who was superior and wisdom to all the Romans of his day, dio rights, and to many others as well, came near being destroyed, though he had neither done any wrong nor had the appearance of doing so, but merely because he pleaded a case well in the Senate while the emperor was present.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Caligula ordered him to be put to death, but afterwards let him off because he believed the statement of one of his female associates to the effect that Seneca had consumption in an advanced stage and would die before a great while. It was out of the frying pan and into the fire for Seneca. In a span of less than two years, Seneca would lose his father in 39 AD and 92 years of age, get married, 40 AD, then lose his firstborn son between 40 and 41 AD. And then 20 days after burying his son, he would be banished from Rome by Claudius, the successor to Caligula.
Starting point is 00:14:18 For what, we are not sure. Was it a blanket persecution of philosophers? Did Sennaka and his grief end up having an affair with Julia Lovilia, sister of Agrapina, the widow of Claudius? The record is murky, and like the scandals of our own time, beset with rumors, agendas, and conflicting accounts. In any case, Seneca was brought up on adultery charges and in 41 AD at age 45,
Starting point is 00:14:42 this grieving son and father was sent packing to the distant island of Corsica. Once again, his promising career was cut capriciously short. Like his decade in Egypt, this would be a long time away from Rome, eight years. And although he started productively writing consolation to Polybius, consolation to Helvia, and on Anger in a short span,
Starting point is 00:15:05 the isolation would begin to wear on him. Soon, the man who had not long before been writing consolations to other people clearly needed some consoling himself. He was angry as any person would be, but rather than give into that anger, he channeled the energy into a book on the topic of Anger, which he dedicated to his brother. It's a beautiful touching book clearly directed at himself as much as the reader. Don't hang out with the ignorant he writes and only speak the truth, but only to those who can handle it. Walk away and laugh, expect to endure much.
Starting point is 00:15:41 This kind of self-talk dates back in stuicism to Clienthees, but Ceneca was applying it to one of the most stressful situations imaginable, being deprived of your friends and family, and unjust conviction, the theft of valuable years of one's life. One of the most common themes in Ceneca's letters and essays from this period is death. For a man whose tuberculosis loomed over him from an early age at one point, driving him to consider suicide, he could not help but constantly think and write about the final act of life. Let us prepare our minds as if we'd come to the very end of life he reminded himself. Let us postpone nothing. Let us
Starting point is 00:16:20 balance life's books each day. The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time. While he sat in exile, he would comfort his father-in-law, a man who had just been deprived of his own job supervising Rome's grain supply. Believe me, Seneca said, it's better to produce the balance sheet of your own life than that of the grain market. Most interestingly, he quibbled with the idea that death was something that lay ahead of us in the uncertain future. This is our big mistake, Seneca wrote, to think that we look forward toward death. Most of death is already
Starting point is 00:16:55 gone. Whatever time has passed is owned by death. That was what he realized that we are dying every day and no day once dead can be revived. It must have been a particularly painful insight for a man who was watching years of his life ticked by for the second time due to events outside of his control. It might not have been stoked to despair at this, but it was certainly quite human. In a play, Seneca wrote toward the end of his life clearly from heartfelt experience, he captured just how capricious and random fate could be. If the breaking day sees someone proud, he said, the ending day sees them brought low.
Starting point is 00:17:32 No one should put too much trust in triumph. No one should give up hope of trials improving. Clotho mixes with the other and stops, fortune from resting, spinning every fate around. No one has had so much divine favor that they could guarantee themselves tomorrow. God keeps our lives hurtling on, spinning in a whirlwind. Fate had caused him to be born to wealth and had given him great tutors. It had also weakened his health and sent him unfairly packing twice, just as his career was taking off. Fortune had behaved all through his life exactly as she pleased. For him, as for us, she brought success
Starting point is 00:18:12 and failure, pain and pleasure, usually in exactly the form he was not expecting. Little did Senaqa know in 50 AD that this was going to happen again. His trials were about to improve and his life was about to be spun into a whirlwind that history has not quite yet fully wrapped its head around. Agrippina, the great granddaughter of Augustus, had grand ambitions for her 12-year-old son, Nero. Having married Claudius, Caligula's successor in 49 AD and convinced him to adopt Nero. One of her first moves as Empress was to persuade Claudius to recall Seneca from Corsica to serve as their son's tutor. Plotting for him to be Emperor someday, she won an access to Seneca's political,
Starting point is 00:18:57 rhetorical, and philosophical brain for her son. Suddenly, at 53 years of age, S Ceneca long a subversive but marginalized figure was elevated to the center of the Roman Imperial Court, a lifetime of striving and ambition finally produced the ultimate patron and the entire Ceneca family was ready to take advantage. What did Ceneca teach young Nero? Ironically, just as his father had hired Adelaced to tutor Sennaka in basically everything but philosophy, Agrippina wanted Sennaka to teach Nero political strategy, not stoicism. Sennaka's lessons would have revolved around law and oratory, how to argue, how to strategize. Any stoic principles would have to have been snuck into his lessons,
Starting point is 00:19:43 like vegetables baked into a child's muffin or sugar to cover the medicine. Like Areas and Athena Doris with Octavian, Ceneca was preparing the boy for one of the hardest jobs in the world, wearing imperial purple. In the days of the Republic, the Romans had been leery of absolute power, but now Ceneca's job was to teach someone how to have it. Just a few generations earlier, the Stoics had been ardent defenders of the Republican ideas. Cato was one of Seneca's heroes, but by the death of Augustus, most of these objections had become futile.
Starting point is 00:20:18 As Emily Wilson, a translator and biographer of Seneca writes, Cicero hoped that he could really bring down Cesar and Mark Antony. Seneca, by contrast, had no hope that he could achieve anything by direct opposition to any of the emperors under whom he lived. His best hope was to moderate some of Nero's worst tendencies into maximise his own sense of autonomy. It makes sense, certainly, but the question remains, could a more hopeful Seneca have had more impact, or does accepting that one person is powerless to change the status
Starting point is 00:20:51 quo become a self-fulfilling prophecy? What Seneca did believe was that Asterok was obligated to serve the country, in this case an empire that had already been through four emperors in his lifetime as best one could, and surely he was willing to accept just about any role to get off that god for sacred island he had been stuck on. Did he know what a Faustian bargain this would be? There were hints. Nero didn't seem to care about his education, not like Octavian anyway, and he seemed to
Starting point is 00:21:22 want to be a musician and an actor more than he wanted to be a king. He was entitled and cruel, spoiled and easily distracted. These were not traits that voted well, but the alternative to Nero was returning to exile in Corsica. In 54 AD, roughly five years into Seneca's employment at court, Agrippina had her husband Claudius killed by way of poisoned mushrooms. Nero was made emperor at age 16, and Senka was asked to write the speeches that Nero would give to convince Rome that it wasn't totally insane to give this dilatant child nearly godlike powers over millions of people. Senka also took the time to write a satirical send-up and eulogy of Claudius the man who had exiled him.
Starting point is 00:22:08 As if absolute power wasn't corruptive enough, Nero had clearly witnessed some early nasty lessons from his mother and adopted father. As his teacher and mentor Senka attempted a course correction, one of the first things he gave the new emperor was a work he composed, entitled on clemency, which laid out a path for the good king he hoped that Nero would follow. And while clemency and mercy might seem like obvious concepts to us today, at the time, this was quite revolutionary advice. Robert A. Castor, the classic scholar, writes that there was no Greek word for clemency. Philosophers had spoken of restraint
Starting point is 00:22:45 in mildness, but Seneca was talking about something more profound and new. What one does with power, particularly how the powerful ought to treat someone without power, because it reveals who they are. As Seneca explained, no one will be able to imagine anything more becoming to a ruler than clemency, whatever sort of ruler he is, and on whatever terms he has put in charge of others. It was a lesson aimed at Nero, as well as every other leader who might read the essay after. The world would be a better place with more clemency in it.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Only a cursory look at history confirms this. The problem is getting leaders to understand it. The dynamic between Sennaka and Nero is an leaders to understand it. The dynamic between Senaika and Nero is an interesting one because it clearly evolved or rather devolved over time, but the essence of it is perhaps best captured in a statue of the two done by the Spanish sculptor Eduardo Barone in 1904, even though it depicts a scene some 18 centuries after the fact it manages to capture the timeless elements of the two men's characters,
Starting point is 00:23:47 Sennaka much older sits with his arms crossed, draped in a beautiful toga but otherwise unadorned, spread across his lap and onto the simple bench is a document he's written. Maybe it's a speech, maybe it's a law being debated by the Senate, maybe it is in fact the text of on-clemency. His fingers point to a spot in the text. His body language is open. He is trying to instill in his young charge the seriousness of the tasks before him. Nero sitting across from Senaqa is nearly the opposite of his advisor in every way. He is hooded sitting on a throne-like chair, a fine blanket rests behind him. He's wearing jewelry. His expression is swollen.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Both fists are clenched, and one rests on his temple as if he can't bring himself to pay attention. He's looking down at the ground. His feet are tucked behind him, crossed at the ankles. He knows he should be listening, but he isn't. He'd rather be anywhere else. Soon enough, he is thinking, I won't have to endure these lectures. Then, I'll be able to do whatever I want.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Sennaka can clearly see this body language, and yet he proceeds. He proceeded for many years, in fact. Why? Because he hoped some of it, any of it would get through. Because he knew the stakes were high. Because he knew his job was to try to teach Nero to be good, and he would literally die trying. And because he was never going to turn down a chance to be that close to power, to have that much impact.
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Starting point is 00:26:26 A man who'd time would shortly reveal to be deranged and flawed. Was it always a hopeless mission? Was Seneca's steady hand a positive influence? One that Rome would have been worse off without? We cannot know. What we know is that Seneca tried. It's the old lesson. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't
Starting point is 00:26:45 make it drink. You can control what you do and say, not whether people listen. All a stoic can do is show up and do their work. Seneca believed he had to, and clearly he wanted to, as he would later write the difference between the stoics and the Epicurians was that the stoics felt that politics was a duty. The two sects, the epicurians and the Stoics, are at variance as in most things, Sennaka wrote. Epicurus says the wise man will not engage in public affairs except in an emergency. Zeno says he will engage in public affairs unless something prevents him. Nothing was preventing Sennaka, least of all his own ambitions. So he
Starting point is 00:27:26 kept trying. Sources tell us that for the first several years, Seneca was the steady hand. While he was working with Burris, the military leader also chosen by Agrippina. Rome was, for the first time in some time, according to contemporaries, well-run. In 55 AD, Seneca's brother Gio was made consul the following year, Seneca himself held that position. Like the poem Seneca wrote about fate, however, this was not to last. In fact, that seems to be a constant theme of Seneca's life. That peace and stability are fragile and punctured quite cabreciously by events outside his control. Nero, driven by paranoia and the cruel streak he inherited from his mother, began to eliminate his rivals, starting with his brother Britannicus, who was dispatched with poison just like Claudius.
Starting point is 00:28:16 He forced out his mother and began to make designs to kill her too, failing several times to deliver a fatal dose of poison. One account has Nero attempting to have his mother killed in an elaborate boating accident. Finally by 59 AD, the deed was done. That early restrained but waiting Nero captured in the barone statue was now released. In Tacitus' words, he deferred no more on long mediated crimes. With his power matured and oxidized into his soul, he could do what he liked, no matter how depraved. It was a turning point noticed by Seneca for sure.
Starting point is 00:28:54 While Arias had advised Augustus to eliminate the other too many Caesars, Seneca had to remind Nero that it was impossible for even the strongest king in the end to kill every successor. Eventually someone would come next, but Nero didn't listen and ultimately murdered every male in the Giulio-Claudean line. When Nero wasn't killing, it's not as if he was dutiful in attending to the business of the Empire. He was racing chariots at a special track he liked outside Rome, with slaves drag
Starting point is 00:29:25 gooned into watching and clapping for him. He neglected the state so he could perform on stage, assuming and dancing like some cut-rate actor, a fact of which his attendance prevented him from knowing, according to Sutonius, by not allowing anyone to leave the theater for even the most urgent reasons. Seneca was horrified, so why didn't he leave? How could he be a part of such embarrassment? One explanation is fear. His whole life he had watched emperors murder and banish
Starting point is 00:29:53 with impunity. He had felt the hard hand of their injustice himself more than once. Imperial vindictiveness loomed over him, as diochaseous relates after the death of Britannicus. Seneca and Burris no longer gave any careful attention to the public business, loomed over him as diochaseous relates after the death of Britannicus, Sennaqa and Buris no longer gave any careful attention to the public business, but were satisfied if they might manage it with moderation and still preserve their lives.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Perhaps he thought as people think today with flawed leaders that he could do good through Nero. Sennaqa had always looked for the good in people, even as someone obviously bad as Nero. Senaika had always looked for the good in people, even as someone obviously bad as Nero. Let's be kind to one another who once wrote, we're just wicked people living among wicked people. Only one thing can give us peace, and that's a pact of mutual leniency. Maybe he saw something in Nero up close, a goodness despite the flaws that has been lost to the historical record. Or maybe this very real fear and these
Starting point is 00:30:46 blind spots were compounded by the tempting self-interest of Seneca's position. It's hard to get someone to see the expression goes what their salary depends on them not seeing. Seneca had grown and continued to grow quite wealthy under Nero's regime. In just a few years, he had amassed largely through gifts from his boss, a multi-million dollar fortune. He was certainly the richest stoic on earth, possibly the richest ever to live. One source notes that Senica owned some 500 identical citrus wood tables with ivory legs for entertaining. It's an odd picture thinking of a stoic philosopher descended from the frugal school of Clientes throwing Gatsby-esque parties funded by the gifts of his murderous boss. Although most art
Starting point is 00:31:33 renders Sennaka as lean and sinewy, in fact the real likeness of him survives only in the form of one statue, dating to the third century which is actually actually a double bust of Seneca and Socrates. Seneca loved Socrates marveling once that there were 30 tyrants surrounding Socrates, and yet they could not break his spirit. Both men don the classic philosophers, Toga. Curiously, Socrates wraps both shoulders while Seneca's right shoulder is bare. Perhaps a nod to his line about how a man must realize how little he needs to be happy and that it is in the superfluous things that wear Artoga's thread bare. But the portrait also reveals Seneca as the older man who had clearly enjoyed his share
Starting point is 00:32:18 of some shoest banquets and had grown quite fat in neurosurvis. Much of our knowledge about Seneca's opulence and fortune comes via a man named P. Solius, a Roman senator who is angry at Seneca, suspecting he was behind the revival of a law with provisions that lawyers plead cases without compensation. While Solius' motives were quite suspect, and he would later be convicted
Starting point is 00:32:44 on serious criminal charges in banished from Rome. There was at least some truth to his written attacks on Sena's hypocrisy. Even Sena's response in his essay on the happy life seems to set up a standard to which he obviously falls short. Seas, therefore, he writes, forbidding to philosophers the possession of money. No one has condemned wisdom to poverty. The philosopher shall own ample wealth, but it will have been rested from no man, nor will
Starting point is 00:33:12 it be stained with another's blood. Wealth acquired without harm to any man, without base dealing, and the outlie of it will be no less honorable than was its acquisition. It will make no man grown except the spiteful. Cato was rich, so was Cicero. Neither of them grew rich in the service as someone as odious as Nero, however. Arius and Athena Doris were rewarded handsomely for their service to Augustus, but Augustus never murdered his own mother. Cato loaned much of his money to
Starting point is 00:33:42 friends without interest and did not seem interested in growing his fortune for its own sake. What is the proper limit to wealth Sennaka would later ask rhetorically, it is first to have what is necessary and second to have what is enough. Clearly he struggled with that idea of enough. Over several years he lent out something like 40 million sestatures at high rates to Rome's British colony. It was an aggressive financial play and when the colony struggled under the debt of violent and brutal rebellion broke out that eventually needed to be put down by Roman legions. Sennika had said that a philosopher's wealth should not be stained in blood, but it's hard not to see the drops of red on his.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Why couldn't he stop himself? It's strange to say that his talent and brilliance were to blame, but it's true as it is for so many ambitious people who end up with controversial fame and fortune. He had been groomed since birth for greatness, expected to become a leading man of his time. He had taken every opportunity that life had given him and tried to make the best of it. He had persevered through that life had given him and tried to make the best of it. He had persevered through difficulties that would have sunk anyone who wasn't a stoic, and he had enjoyed the good times too. He had not complained. He kept going, kept serving, kept trying to have an impact, and to do what he was trained to do. What he had never done was stop
Starting point is 00:35:00 and question any of it, never asked where this was leading him and whether it was worth it. stop and question any of it, never asked where this was leading him and whether it was worth it. By 62 AD, it was harder to deny the compromise he was forced to make on a daily basis in Nero's world. Perhaps there was some lost event that broke him out of his stupor. Perhaps the moral conscience he had learned from analysts finally won out in the battle with his desire to achieve. Finally, finally, Seneca attempted to withdraw. He did not confront Nero. That would have been too much. There is no evidence of a principled resignation
Starting point is 00:35:34 as the Stoic inspired Secretary of Defense James. Mattis would give to President Donald Trump in a disagreement over policy in Syria. Instead, Seneca met with the emperor and futilely attempted to convince Nero that he did not need him anymore, that he was old and in bad health and ready to retire. I cannot any longer bear the burden of my wealth," he told Nero. I crave assistance. He asked Nero to take possession of all of his estates and his wealth, he wanted to walk away clean in retirement.
Starting point is 00:36:06 It would not be so easy. He had gotten his hand bloody grabbing the money and there would be blood getting rid of it. A few days after their meeting, Nero murdered another enemy. In 64 AD, the Great Firestruck Rome and boosted by strong winds would destroy more than two-thirds of the city. One rumor spread that Nero had started the fire himself or at least allowed it to burn for six days so that he could rebuild the capital as he liked. His reputation as a dilatant and a psychopath were fertile seeds for these conspiracy theories, and so moving quickly Nero found escape goat, the Christians. How many he ordered to be rounded up and killed?
Starting point is 00:36:50 We do not know, but one of them was a brilliant philosopher from Tarsus, the same intellectual ground that had spawned chrysapis and tippeter and Athena Doris, who had escaped death earlier thanks to Seneca's brother during Claudius' reign. Saul of Tarsus, whom we know today is Saint Paul, who had escaped death earlier thanks to Seneca's brother during Claudius' reign. Saul of Tarsus, whom we know today as St. Paul was added to Nero's pile of bodies. As blood flowed and fires burned,
Starting point is 00:37:15 could Seneca feel anything but guilt? They called him a tyrant teacher. It was true, wasn't it? Hadn't that been what he had done? Hadn't he shaped Nero had done? Hadn't he shaped Nero into the man? He now clearly revealed himself to be. At the very least, it was hard to argue that Seneca hadn't lent credibility and protection to the Nero regime. Maybe it was despair that Seneca felt in those
Starting point is 00:37:39 dark days. What he had tried to hold off for so long was now breaking loose. We've spent our lives serving the kind of state, no decent man ought to serve. One of the Stoics says in Naomi Mitchen since haunting 1939 novel about the persecution of Christians in Nero's Court. And now he says, we're old enough to see what we've done. Centuries before Sennaka in China, Confucius had been a teacher and an advisor to princes. He had danced the same dance as Sennaka,
Starting point is 00:38:12 trying to be a philosopher within the pragmatic world of power. His balancing principle was as follows. When the state has the way except a salary, when the state is without way to accept a salary is shameful. It took Seneca much longer than Confucius to come to this conclusion. It's inexcusable. The shame was obvious. The first time his boss tried to murder his mother, at least it should have been to someone trained in virtue. But that was not how Seneca saw it, not for nearly 16 years of service with Nero.
Starting point is 00:38:46 In time, he would come to echo Confucius, writing that when the state is so rotten as to be past helping, if evil has entire dominion over it, the wise man will not labor in vain or waste his strength in unprofitable efforts. But he had done precisely that for too long, with drawing as best he could, Seneca turned fully to his writing. In a remarkable essay titled On Leisure, published after he retired, he seems to be wrestling with his own complicated experiences. The duty of a man is to be useful to his fellow men, he wrote, if possible, to be useful to
Starting point is 00:39:21 many of them. Failing lists to be useful to a few, failing list to be useful to his neighbors, and failing them to himself. For when he helps others, he advances the general interests of mankind. Only belatedly did it occur to a striver like Sennaka that one can contribute to his fellow citizens in quiet ways too, for instance,
Starting point is 00:39:40 by writing or simply by being a good man at home. I am working for later generations." He explained writing down some ideas that may be of assistance to them. I point other men to the right path which I have found late in life. I cry out to them, avoid what pleases the throng, avoid the gifts of chance. Sennaka himself would note the irony that in communing with these future generations, he was doing more good than when I appear as consul in court or stamp my seal upon a will or lend my assistance in the Senate. The primary form of this service came in the shape of philosophical letters, intended not just for his friend Lucilleus to whom they were addressed,
Starting point is 00:40:19 but also for publication to a wide audience. If he couldn't impact the events of Rome directly, he figured he could at least reach people through his pen. It could also help assure him the immortal fame he still craved, succeeding on both counts, this collection, known as Letters from Aesthetic, sells many thousands of copies a year in countless languages. Like Cicero Senica would spend three years from 62 to 65 AD completing all his letters in books, a fact for which the literary world is eternally grateful. We can imagine him liking the cemetery with such an illustrious peer, thinking even of how the theatrics of his retirement would play. It was also smart. Turning to his writings was a convenient way to stay out of the fray of Nero's increasingly volatile way. My days have this one goal as do my nights he wrote,
Starting point is 00:41:11 this is my task and my study to put an end to old evils. Before I became old, I took care to live well. In old age, I take care to die well. Sadly far too much of Senaqa's work before and after this period would be lost. Emily Wilson estimates that more than half of his writings did not survive, including all his political speeches and personal letters, as well as works on India and Egypt. It was for all the looming danger, a period of joy and creativity for Seneca. He wrote of sitting in his rooms among a busy gymnasium, tuning out all the noise, and just locking in on his philosophy. He wrote of sitting in his rooms among a busy gymnasium, tuning out all the noise and just locking in on his philosophy. He wrote of the
Starting point is 00:41:49 process of becoming with time a better friend to himself, and admission perhaps that his ambition may have been fueled by an early feeling of not being enough, of not being worth much. He said in one letter that only those who make time for philosophy are truly alive. Well now he was actually doing that and he was quite alive. Each day, as he wrote in his first exile on Corsica, I can argue with Socrates, doubt with Carnedides, find peace with Epicurus, conquer nature with the Stoics, and exceed it with the Seneca. Seneca also spoke of philosophy as a way to look in the mirror to scrape off one's faults.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Well, we don't have any evidence that he directly questioned his work with Nero in his writings. Serving was part of his political code as it would be for General Mattis in our time. We can tell that he wrestled extensively with how his life had turned out. The closest Senica would come to addressing a figure like Nero would be in a play he wrote called The Estes, a dark, disturbing story about two brothers battling for a kingdom.
Starting point is 00:42:54 And in fact, in the Middle Ages, it was thought that Seneca, the Tragedy Inn, was an entirely separate figure from Seneca the philosopher. James Rom, Marvel's at Sen. K.'s range. It is as though Emerson had taken time off from writing his essays to compose the opera Foust. This is incomplete. It's as if Emerson founded Transcendentalism wrote Foust and served as Lincoln's vice president. It's impossible to read this story today and not see it as a dialogue between Sennaka and Nero, a warning against the draws of power and the unspeakable things that human beings do to each other in the pursuit of it. The most telling line in the play states of fact that Sennaka had painfully
Starting point is 00:43:37 come to understand crimes often return to their teacher. And so they had. He writes in Theesides, it is a vast kingdom to be able to cope without a kingdom. This too, he was painfully experiencing. For the third time now in his life, Senika had lost next to everything. He believed as he would now write to Lucilius that the greatest empire is to be empire of oneself. It was a realization, long time coming.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Senika would again find that philosophy did not exist only in the ethereal world, or on the pages of his writings. Tacitus tells us that Nero's first attempt to kill Senaica, again by poison, was spoiled by Senaica's meager diet. It was hard to kill someone who had so turned away from their former life of opulence that he was eating mostly wild fruits and water from a burbling stream. But even this reprieve was short-lived. In 65 AD conspirators, including a stoic senator named Thrasia and his brother's son, Lucan, began to plot against Nero's life. Seneca was not directly involved, not like Kato or Brutus had been involved, but he was at least more
Starting point is 00:44:45 courageous than Cicero. One rumor had it that the conspirators planned to put Sennaka back in charge after Nero's death is his involvement enough to redeem him that he was finally willing to break decisively with the monster he had helped create. When the conspiracy failed, Sennaka put his life on the line to try to cover for the most active participants. This choice sealed his fate. Nero, a coward like Hitler in his last days, sent goons to demand Senika's suicide. There would be no clemency,
Starting point is 00:45:17 despite the essay Senika had written for his student all those years ago. Senika's life had been a complex maze of contradictions, but now staring at the end, he managed to summon a courage and a clarity that had long escaped him. He asked for something to write his will upon and was rejected.
Starting point is 00:45:34 So he turned to his friends and said, he could bequeathed them the only thing that mattered, his life, his example. It was heart-wrenching and they broke down when he said these words. It would seem absurd to say that Senaqai had practiced for this moment, but in a way he had all his writings and philosophizing as Cicero put it, had been leading up to death and now it was here. He seized the opportunity to practice what he had so long preached, where he gently chided his weeping friends as well as the audience of history, are your maxims of philosophy or the reparation of so many years studies against evils to come?
Starting point is 00:46:10 Who knew not Neuros Cruelty after a mother and a brother's murder, nothing remains, but to add to the destruction of a guardian and a tutor? Not long before, he had written to Lucilius that while it was true, a tyrant or a conqueror, could suddenly send us off to our death, this was actually no great power. Take my word for it, Senika had said, since the day you were born, you were being led that way. Senika believed that if we wanted to be calm as we await that last hour, we must never let the fact of our own mortality slip from consciousness.
Starting point is 00:46:42 We were sentenced to death at birth. For Seneneca, all Neuro was doing was moving up the timeline. Knowing this, he could now hug his wife, Paulina, and Urge are calmly not to grieve him too much and to live on without him. Like so many other stoic women, she was not content to be told what to do. Instead, she decided to go with him, slitting the arteries in their arms. The couple began to bleed out. Nero's guards, apparently on Nero's orders, rushed in to save Paulina, who would live on for several more years.
Starting point is 00:47:13 For Seneca, death did not come as easily as he would have hoped. His meager diet seemed to have slowed his blood flow. So next, he willingly drank a poison that he had kept for precisely this moment, but not before pouring out a small libyation to the gods. Could he have thought in that moment back to something Adalus had said so long ago that evil herself drinks the largest portion of her own poison. It was proven true for Seneca and it would prove true for Nero as well. The man who had written so much on death was finding with irony that death
Starting point is 00:47:46 did not come so willingly. Did this frustrate him or did he have one eye on history knowing that fate was prolonging the scene he had long meditated on? When the poison did not work, Seneca was moved to a steam bath where the heat and dense air finally finished him off. There is an entire genre of paintings of the death of Seneca, including versions done by Peter Paul Rubens and Jock's Luis David. In variably, they seem to show Seneca as perhaps he wished to be seen no longer fat and rich, but lean and dignified again. Everyone else in the room is hysterical, but Seneca is calm. Finally, the perfect stoic, he could not live up to be in life, and then he departs from
Starting point is 00:48:27 the world. Shortly after his body was disposed of quietly without funeral rights, per a request he had made long before, which to Tacitus was proof that like a good stoic, even in the height of his wealth and power, he was thinking of his life's clothes, but also his eternal legacy. But everything else he had gained in life was lost, except for the books we now have, and within a year Nero would take his brother to, for crimes don't only return upon their teachers, but also to the people and the things they love. love. Thanks for listening to the Daily Stoke Podcast.
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